ROMULAN: Cultural Index

[@CAP198462]

Romulans are responsible for some of the best Star Trek episodes ever. Balance of Terror, The Neutral Zone, Inter Arma Silent Leges, in the pale moonlight, and eye of the needle, even minefield isn't bad because it introduces the Romulan/ Rihansu language. They're also one of my favourite trek species.

[@amc6508]

The one where Troi was kidnapped to pose a member of the Tal Shiar was amazing!

[@joegrimes9232]

agreed

[@bigevil1001]

The Neutral Zone?!?

[@kennethhamblett5019]

romulan ship design, both canon and non-cannon are very beautiful.

[@VestedUTuber]

@mausalus09 Those wide, thin wings actually provide a different use - they give tons of space for forward-facing weapons and thermal radiators. A big freakin' cube isn't a perfect design by any means even if there isn't any atmosphere to deal with. You have to design around the role and necessary systems of the ship. The Borg find cubes to be most optimal because their ship designs are highly decentralized and focused on carrying as many beings as they can, with plenty of space for more. But it also makes for huge target profiles from all angles, with tons of weapon blind spots where the ship may only be able to utilize at most a sixth of its weaponry in some cases. It has to waste a lot of energy fighting atmosphere if it does have to land on a planet's surface as well. And other races can't exactly use such a design due to conventional warp drive designs requiring external components like rings or nacelles. Modern real-life spacecraft, in fact, deviate from cube-shaped designs beyond a certain size. The International Space Station, for example, is made up of a large number of cylindrical modules and truss frames as it needs incredibly large solar panels to generate the necessary electricity to run some of the experiments on the station. As for the shape of the habitable modules, that's due to them having to fit in a very specific space - either in the cargo bay of a NASA Space Transit System Shuttle or under the nose faring of a more conventionally designed launch vehicle. There's also the fact that many smaller Romulan ships (and Klingon Bird-of-Preys by extention) do in fact often enter atmosphere.

[@HitodamaKyrie]

If an efficient military spacecraft was the design goal, personally I'd go with a "dagger" shape. So kinda like a Star Destroyer from Star Wars (without the huge command brick jutting out of it.) The reasoning being to decrease one's visible cross section while utilizing as much surface area for weapons platforms and the like. The vulnerable engine systems are ideally kept facing away from the enemy. Also allows for spinal mount weapons.

[@gibbsm]

@mausalus09 some Federation ships are meant to go through atmospheres, hence the need for some degree of aerodynamics, like Voyager, it had landing gear my dude.

[@theharbingerofconflation]

The Federation designs evolved out engineering concerns. Basically The Nacelles are dangerous and more efficient if they have line of sight (hence them being separated from the main hull. The Engineering Body houses a lot of necessary evils as well while finally the saucer was supposed to be exchangeable on designs, that is why they also detach on many ship designs and why you have science vessels with spheroid saucer sections. So you have this sane base you evolve your ship designs from. The Enterprise-D was then a culmination of that in an "Organic Sculpture" in space, so it's stated in Okudas technical manual. I can totally see an accomplished Federation showing off in this way. The Romulans seem to have a similar evolution towards the D'aedrix (I hope that was the name) These are basically show-off ships derived from each species design evolution.

[@BuddyLee23]

So vulcans are like some space high-elves and the romulan's are like the dark-elf counterparts?

[@cyborgbadger1015]

In a nutshell, yes.

[@simonpeter5032]

It's more like the Vulcans are greek, and Romulans are roman.

[@andrewdevine3920]

No.

[@theharbingerofconflation]

Yes, but actually no.

[@LV426-Acheron]

aeldari and drukhari yes :D

[@BlueonGoldZ]

The Romulans are my favorite Star Trek alien race. Any episode they are in, there is mystery and a challenge.

[@MAAivoges]

me too. always have been my fave. I wish they would have made a series just focusing on them.

[@trinibagowaynecaribbean1611]

Agreed

[@saliston]

I dont see how a large empire can be destroyed by the destruction of one planet. They literally have hundreds. Its like how Pompeii was destroyed. It hurt but the empire went on.

[@soischtock]

thank you (one of the reasons i don't like the new star trek movies, at least not as star trek movies)

[@astrick1768]

Furthermore in history Pompeii kind of sucked for everyone on the Italian Peninsula, and the Empire would have starved if they hadn't had the other breadbasket, Egypt, under their belt.

[@Forgenshoot]

It's more of how the empire was ruled. Imagine if, say, back in the medieval era if the castle with the king got nuked from orbit by some unknown force. How do you think the kingdom would respond? They only lost a small bit of their population, but the people lost was their leadership.

[@SirAroace]

civil war is how

[@gevara454]

also the supernova became More an more powerful as it went on devouring worlds. it almost took the entire civilize Milky Way galaxy if not for the mini wormhole that Spock created with the red Matter particles

[@bcs2em625]

The Romulans' clothing changed over the years, but my favorite of their outfits is seen at 4:54. These are reminiscent of the ones they had in ENT & TOS. I can't stand the weird silver tunics with the shoulder pads in TNG.

[@cwiggy34]

Some of the better stories for sure. Also, wishes that season 5 of Enterprise happened. Great video.....

[@danowolf]

Romulan fashion, it's like watching a furniture textile show. I have sat in chairs with the exact same patterns. Drapes, wall paper, couches, same patterns lol. I bet Roddenberry was friends with Herman-Miller.

[@torak-t]

It boggles the mind that you were able to tell down to the second when a star would Supernova in TOS, but that apparently the one that hit Romulus scattered the empire and they weren't able to move their seat of power before the disaster

[@wilmagregg3131]

my only way to explain that is the star was supernovaed by some alien device or weapon used by one of the VAST VERITY of eneimies they made in there reign of power

[@maevekirkland9452]

they went over the fact that the Hobus supernova should not have affected Romulus because its lightyears away, but a subspace anomaly caused it to rip through subspace to reach romulus.

[@Timeward76]

@@wilmagregg3131 star trek online explains it as being triggered by the Iconians, as revenge against romulus for Empress Sela's traitorous backstabbing in the distant past.

[@Mekratrig]

What was the one where all the humanoid races find they were 'seeded' by an ancient race and are related. Pretty much all of them rejact the idea, but the romulom Commander hails Picard as they are leaving and says "Perhaps someday" a reconciliation may occur.

[@GillianMStarlight]

The Chase, TNG sixth season.

[@BungieStudios]

Also for the record, The Paradise Syndrome from TOS. Gotta explain why Star Trek only uses human actors somehow. lol

[@60sspider-man29]

@@BungieStudios I want a shark person as captain of the next main series ship.

[@4611mathman]

Could you do a cultural index on humans for the star trek universe

could you learn real history?!

[@mariolis]

@ The story of post 21st century earth UNTIL the events of Enterprise

[@Ryoga100]

Why? It's essentially our history until just before first contact

[@michaelmacleod6517]

Romulans are my favourite Trek species.

[@philipdefibaugh7127]

Mine too!

[@CraicDealer]

I like them a lot but think its got to be the Breen or Cardassians for me

[@MAAivoges]

me too!!!

[@Awestefeld6612]

@@philipdefibaugh7127 the Romulan women are hot.

[@SciFiFan2012]

The tal-shaya was a deadly Vulcan martial arts technique that was considered a merciful form of execution in ancient times on Vulcan. This precise technique was performed by applying pressure to the victim's neck, causing it to snap instantly. (I forgot this term!) TOS: "Journey to Babel" The Star Trek: The Next Generation Companion reveals that "Face of the Enemy" writer Naren Shankar named the Romulan secret police (the Tal Shiar) as a homage to this technique.

[@blacksun3662]

In-verse, Tal Shiar means something like "Imperial Secret Service". Shiar means Empire, Tal is unknown but has to be something like this. (According to extendet canon.)

[@CertifiablyIngame]

The Timelords (and ladies)

[@jerobriggs6861]

I second that.

[@paulbobenhausen8031]

Was there ever even a competition?

[@christosvoskresye]

Romana 1 or Romana 2? (I say Romana 2.)

[@porpus99]

As Garak once said "You will find the predominate color to be grey. The buildings, the clothes, the people. Did you know the Romulan heast is grey? Its true, and all to appropriate for such an unimaginative race"

[@veovis523]

I read somewhere (I forget where) that the grief markings were traditionally painted on the face, and that when the marks faded, it was time for the grieving period to end. Nero and his crew, however, tattooed the marks on their faces to represent the fact that their grief from the destruction of Romulus would never fade.

[@davidstowers1964]

Has anyone ever noticed that the Romulan secret police organisation has a similar name to a Vulcan form of execution?

[@mikkel6690]

Dude thanks for this. I'm rewatching all of star trek. Your videos are a great help.

[@Seekarr]

Fun fact. During his off-time, Ambassador G'Kar of the Narn was also a Romulan Commander going by the name of Tomalak.

[@ladythalia227]

Nah. Tomalak was just playing around on the holodeck where he created the character of G'Kar

[@specialopsdave]

1:36 How did the Romulans know about raptors? Aren't raptors an Earth-based species?

[@Lukos0036]

The Vastam class is also one of the prettiest ships to come out of any faction in STO. The New Republic designs all are generally more graceful than the Imperial stuff.

[@charjl96]

It's funny all the similarities with ancient Rome when they're supposed to be aliens. Great writing, Gene!

[@hannijazz3276]

charjl Perhaps during the exile from Vulcan, they passed by Earth and got fascinated by the Romans

[@Princess2Warrior]

@charjl *It's called a metaphor - look it up, you simpleton.*

[@Princess2Warrior]

@@hannijazz3276 *No - that's cheap and downplaying the Romulans - their own culture is unique and coincidentally resembles an ancient Earth culture - and also "Romulan" isn't even their name - it's just what Terrans call them.*

[@injunsun]

Uh, guys, they literally got their name because a writer's kid had a fascination with the Roman empire, which he mispronounced, "Romulan." So he wrote it to parallel the myth of Romulus and Remus.

[@ladythalia227]

The cultural index for romulans could benefit from an update after season 1 of Picard. We know so much more about them now

[@archer9338]

No thanks.

[@Cadiangrunt99]

Glory to the Romulan Republic!

[@tovan6964]

Glory to the Romulan Star Empire!!

[@Biden_is_demented]

Thanks to Jar Jar Abrams, the romulans are glorious no more. What a moron...

[@nukclear2741]

@@Biden_is_demented Back to the star wars fanbase, we have no need of you here.

[@Blue_Shamu_Gaming]

@@nukclear2741 cringe

[@ChanticoChulo]

Thank you for adding Star trek online in your video. awesome sauce

[@Daya337]

With Star Trek Online actually explaining more of the Romulan history. They 'Eventually' settled on what was Romulus and Remus. In STO, it is hinted that they started their exhile from vulcan (The Sundering), on Dewa III. And that something irradiated that planet long ago. Unless your going to ignore all of Star Trek Onlines content, in which case, carry on.

Most stories of STO are absolute garbage, but the Romulan arc is pretty good, I main a Romulan since then :)

[@jamiirali1]

I know the romulans and vulcans are related but did they grow apart linguistically? The intel titles t'aal shiar of romulus and the V'aal shaar of vulcan seem related to the same language or similar root language.

[@cmdrtianyilin8107]

Top 4 badass Star Trek species; 1. Vulcans. 2. Romulans. 3. Human. 4. Klingons.

[@vincenzo2206]

that is a lie; 1. Cardassians 2. Romulans 3. klingons 4. humans

[@cmdrtianyilin8107]

@@vincenzo2206 That's a lie as well. 1. Borg. 2. Iconians. 3. Humans. 4. Andorians.

[@vincenzo2206]

@@cmdrtianyilin8107 Thank you, This is the first time I have ever had anyone respond to my comments, you made my day

[@cmdrtianyilin8107]

@@vincenzo2206 thanks are irrelevant. You will be assimilated.

[@alexxxaa2366]

@@cmdrtianyilin8107 liessssss it’s 1. Q 2. Q 3. Q 4. Q

[@blackromulan]

The Empire approves this index entry... However, the Tal Shi'ar will be keeping a dossier open on you.

[@nukclear2741]

We will indeed. We will indeed.

[@joegrimes9232]

My favourite Star Trek race. As a little headcanon joke, the reason for the padded shoulders adopted by the Military and Civilian culture was because of an "inadequacy" to the Klingons who had broad shoulders accented by pauldron like cuffs. A little thing that seemed to add imposing status. In time it became a societal trait, the padded shoulder was a gesture of dominance. If you lacked it, you appeared smaller. Starfleet attaches after the Basen rift incident send envoys to Rihan with uniforms with accentuated shoulders. Riker, joking to Troi aboard the Titan, "its stiff round the collar and my shoulders seem like I'm playing hockey" The Romulans a fledgling race seeking thier own identity for centuries adopt other cultures to their own. They absorbed culture and passed it off as though they invented it. The D'deridex being a design they pilfered and adapted

[@joegrimes9232]

following the dissolution of the empire and the totalitarian government, several trends appeared. The striking of which was garments that exposed the shoulder entirely as a rebellious act. Exposing flesh with a tattoo. The tattoo denoting grief mostly, or anti alien sentiment. Tal Shiar operatives recognise each other by saluting by touching two fingers to the upper arm almost like a Roman salute. Covering their shoulder. Covering their shame. Like taking off a cap became a salute. A rememberence of "the old ways" ironically originating from the Klingons

[@LethargicScientist]

Interesting to see how this video would change based on what happens with the romulans in Discovery and Picard. What with the whole empire dissolved, Supernova, joining the federation thing

[@jacenstarheart6256]

Could you cover Babylon 5 in the future please?

[@jacenstarheart6256]

+ I would also like to see Andromeda or Farscape?

[@charjl96]

I still need to see Babylon 5. Is there anywhere online?

[@CelticVictory]

The Shadows would be my choice for the first to be covered from Babylon 5.

[@Patriotgal1]

@@CelticVictory The Shadows were my favorites on B5.

[@nyxnecrodragon4256]

@@Patriotgal1 Londo was always my favorite LMAO

[@lennyjoyner7557]

Love your reviews.... I was wondering if you could do one on the Rigelians

[@dragnridr05]

Romulans are my favorite species in Star Trek. Captain Donatra was my favorite Romulan. Was so ecstatic when Romulans came to STO.

[@keithtorgersen9664]

When the Romulan Empire was first formed, it was a monarchy with an Emperor and Empress.

[@leopoldjenkins]

Really enjoyed this. Great work

[@Tanymsun]

Are you ever going to continue the Romulan side of the STO?

[@maverickbna]

Could you cover the Hirogen from ST:VOY?

[@yugioht42]

I feel the eyebrows, head ridges, and hair are the only things really differing from real Vulcans besides the military attitudes. Romulans are aggressive but it was mostly toned around discovery’s time in the future even fully allying with Vulcan.

[@christopherbanks581]

Have you considered doing a history of the races in star trek cuz that would be interesting.. like do one on the Vulcans, Klingons, the Borg, the dominian etc..

[@nunyabidness2750]

Woah, woah, woah! The Klingon-Romulan alliance did not end with “the Klingons turning on them.” It ended with a sneak attack on the Klingons by the Romulans at Kitimer.

[@uncletaylorify]

Was just about to post that it was the Romulans who broke the treaty with the Klingons.

[@Taopuppy]

I would like to see the cultural index for the Ferengi.

[@twstf8905]

Eric Bana was AWESOME as a Romulan. It may be my favorite role for him, in any of his films. Not everyone hates, "JJ Trek," lol I really don't care what anyone says.

[@z1az285]

i do. romulans don't say "hello" as a greeting. next their ships don't look like metal confetti and frankly the design was beyond idiotic

[@joshuawells835]

Can you do a Cultural Index series on the Votans from Defiance? The Votanis Collective, like the Xindi in Star Trek, was an alliance of 6 out of 8 alien species that evolved from the same solar system. The 8 Votan species are Castithan, Irathient, Indogene, Sensoth, Liberata, Gulanee, Volge, and Omec. 3,000 years ago, the Indogene built a fleet of arks to evacuate the Votans from a stellar collision that would destroy their star system. They came to Earth and were allowed to colonize areas of Latin America.

[@jackieanderson9408]

You should really do a Star Trek Romulan walkthrough.👌👍

[@mr.sharpie2206]

Just an FYI, according to the novel Vulcan's Soul, Remans and Romulans are both offshoots of Vulcans. The Romulans gave up their telepathic abilities and the Remans didn't and were enslaved as a result. Over time being enslaved in the mines of Remus it changed their look and other attributes. This actually fits with how Romulans are. If after the Sundering most had lost their telepathic abilities it's very conceivable that they would segregate and eventually enslave those still empowered with telepathic abilities considering how xenophobic they are.

[@blackromulan]

I'm just here to see if I recognize any of my cousins in the video. Romulus Forever!

[@julianbashir8277]

Can you explain the federation space on the other side of Klingon space. How do the federation ships get through without violating anything?

Space is 3D, most maps we see are only 2D projections

[@MateDrinker33]

Also, they may have mutual treaty concessions that allow such access; non-contiguous countries do exist in real life (e.g., Armenia [the Ngorno-Karabahk conflict notwithstanding standing]. Comparable problems and the opportunities to solve them also come up when a country is completely enveloped in the territory of another country (e.g., The Vatican, San Marino, Lesotho, ect.).

[@dbix11]

Id like to know the differences between cardassians and romulans they come off very similar

[@naphackDT]

It's a FAAAAAKE!

[@johnilarde8440]

naphackDT Sisko: No it’s real!!!!!

[@ohyeahgamer3736]

ITS SOOOOOO REAL!!!!!

[@ohyeahgamer3736]

And also there's a bomb on your ship

[@byronmalcom377]

It's all fake! 🤣🤣🤣

[@stiltskino4009]

Thats what they say of St P.......

[@jackieanderson9408]

On Star Trek Discovery the Romulans and vulcans are united on Nirvar .

[@ericsmith8373]

Didn't the Romulans actually turn on the Klingons with the attack on Kittimer? And Nerendra 3, where the Enterprise C defended the outpost by engaging 4 warbirds, and probably laying the groundwork for the eventual Klingon-Federation alliance.

[@moltenyellowskies5418]

Something occurred to me while watching this, on Enterprise, the ship's designs look too TNG-esque to fit in with a pre-TOS design aesthetic, they look nothing like the prior models to the T'liss or the D7

[@yugioht42]

Romulans are just Vulcans that never lost their emotions and evolved on a very harsh world. They are genetically the same as Vulcans. Vulcans are the parent species that both Romulans and Remians come from. Both are considered offshoots of the standard Vulcan. Don’t know how Spock managed it but the new Ni’var is looking promising.

[@ultramaximusreviews]

You should do a cultural index on the Sheliak

[@chairde]

Romulus and Remus founded Rome according to Roman myth. They were twins raised by a she wolf. Interesting that ST used these names.

[@richardlahan7068]

What's with the bizarre appearance of the Romulans in the later Star Trek movies? They almost look like Count Orlock in "Nosferatu".

[@UserNameMandatory]

what is your source of post-Nemesis canon? JJ-Trek didn't go into detail of the Romulan Star Empire post disaster.

[@sargepent9815]

The whole "destruction of Romulus & Vulcan" is something I hope get rectified in Startrek Picard since this is ultimately his fault. We shall see.

[@katiekatie6289]

Are Romulans even technically a separate species to Vulcans, or just a different culture?

[@CertifiablyIngame]

Enough time has passed for some subtle biological differences in blood chemistry and apparently their actual neural functions.

[@brothersgt.grauwolff6716]

According to Ship's Log file's your character helps to recover in Star Trek Online they did some genetic tinkering to rid themselves of the Pon'Far during their journey.

[@Raja1938]

They're pretty much the same species.

[@jonathanroberts727]

Romulan ships in enterprise looked nothing like ones in the original series.

[@sirenia755]

they are also pirates and criminals, often attacking civilian ships and freighters, as seen in Star Trek Aurora.

[@CertifiablyIngame]

Andromeda's Angara (Mass Effect)

[@studinthemaking]

Where can I get a copy of the map used at the start of this video?

[@nimblehealer199]

studinthemaking Star Trek Online

[@dabeshgamer2356]

I'm probably in the minority, but I think I prefer Romulans over Vulkans. Seem a bit more complex and by that extent for me, interesting. Both have terrible haircuts though...

[@mr.froggu3292]

They're both just space elves

[@CelticVictory]

I don't know how in the minority you are. They're my favorite species.

[@josephaether377]

it's funny how i had a guttural twinge of anger before i agreed with you; lol. how dare we appreciate such a violent, enemy-defined species!

[@hubertyarborough]

How can i get one of those maps? Of the Star Trek Universe?

[@misterbeans3590]

They have quite a mighty empire

[@michaelspielman4801]

Believe it or not in the Novels on the fracturing of the Romulan Star Empire actually reformed the Old Empire into Two separate distinct states the Mol'Rihansu (New Romulan's) more commonly called the Romulan Republic that was a more diplomatic form and had a represented government and was seen as a more peaceful Neutral power than a Aggressive power. Then the Romulan Empire pulled back together after a major civil war with the Romulan Republic. After the war the Two states made peace and recognized each other and maintained diplomatic relations but they where icy and very little talking expect when absolutely needed due to the past war that brought many truths of the Old Empire.

[@michaelspielman4801]

what was your post it isn't showing up

[@jackzimmer6553]

Gotta love those D’deridex ships!

[@rc1982]

Shouldn't Romulans have telephatic abilities as well as Vulcans? And undergo Pon-far? How do Romulans control the almost uncontrollable Vulcan rage without meditation?!?

[@EdiaStanfordBruce]

I bet they do have telepathic abilities like the Vulcans but use them very little except as a weapon. I bet they Pon-farr too but they hide it better than the Vulcans. They might have developed battle fever into fine art. The energy of Plak-tow must run in them strongly and underlies the whole militaristic culture. A whole culture run on suspicion, jealousy, paranoia, and anger..

[@googleuser7454]

Romulans probably suppress telepathic abilities or don't develop it enough as Vulcans need training to fully harness telepathy such as the mind meld. Romulans harness and control their emotions through a strict military culture that keeps them in line. Some sources say Romulans got rid of pon farr through genetic engineering but not sure of that is canon

[@nobleactual7616]

What map is that you used at 2:56?

[@funzjag]

Another great video!Also Romulans are a holes for the most part!

[@micahbush5397]

One thing that bothers me about the Romulans is their divergence in appearance from Vulcans, particularly when it comes to forehead ridges. The two groups have only been separate for about 2,000 years by the time of Star Trek, which isn't even close to enough time for the two groups to diverge into separate species, especially since they live significantly longer than humans. Unless the Romulans have been involved in some major genetic engineering projects or have a widespread practice of plastic surgery, I just don't see how they would develop such a different appearance from their Vulcan counterparts.

[@archer9338]

My personal head canon is the the Vulcans are the genetically engineered ones. It why they are stronger, smarter, telepathic, have more potent emotions and are prone to psychotic episodes. There seem to be many parallels between vulcans and human eugenics trials.

[@Markpaul9]

Romulans are my favorite

[@superzentredi]

The destruction of Romulus is so asinine in Star Trek lore that I have chosen to consider it non-canon or an alternate timeline. Not canon timeline.

[@Gofr5]

I don't like it either, but it seems the new Picard series is incorporating Romulus' destruction into its story.

[@MrMirageCaster]

Lucky for you it's not, technically, canon. It's part of the Kelvin timeline that J. J. Abrams created. So if they ever get rid of the Secret Hideout production company they can ditch the whole thing and go back to the regular timeline.

[@andromidius]

Consider it non-canon then, if you want to be wrong. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its not canon. Otherwise I can say the Klingons conquered the Federation because I don't like the fact they didn't. See how dumb that looks?

[@nickhale1052]

As we saw the the briefing Data gave in Nemesis, Remus is the outer of the two planets, and orbits the Romulan Sun at a different rate than Romulus. I’d be willing to accept the AbramsVerse if we were to consider the “destruction of Romulus” as a mistake made in confusion. The way I see it: Spock succeeded in halting and reversing the supernova, but not before it entered the Romulan System, destroying Remus, not Romulus. Nero mistakenly thought Romulus was destroyed, and went after Spock, and they both disappeared, with the Alpha Quadrant learning just after that Romulus itself did in fact survived. And with their primary source of Dilithium gone (the Reman mines), and the lingering good will from Spock’s sacrifice and the Shinzon incident, the Romulan were willing to discuss trade with the federation as a means to get more dilithium to replace the lost Reman source. This is the only way I will EVER accept the Kelvin timeline as part of cannon.

[@phantomlordmxvi]

Sounds good

[@benrgrogan]

Take it you won't be watching Star Trek Picard then?

[@jackieanderson9408]

Sweet 👍

[@docsavage8640]

The forehead ridges were a stupid addition. Much better when you couldn't tell a Romulan from a Vulcan on sight. Plus it makes no evolutionary sense.

[@libertyprime1710]

JJ ABRAM'S STAR TREK IS NOT CANON!!!!!!

[@artix0022]

Is another timeline not the original :v

[@CelticVictory]

Ben, it's a little different with Romulus. It's their capital planet. It be the equivalent of Earth being destroyed and losing the Federation Council for the Federation.

[@CelticVictory]

The loss of a capital isn't trivial especially in a society like Romulus where society was so tightly controlled. The imperial Senate was on Romulus when the planet was destroyed as the Federation Council would be on Earth. Both organizations rely on their capitals to organize their societies. The loss of which would lead to chaos as they tried to sort how to reestablish order after such a major disruption to society. For example, why should Tellar comply with the position of the government of Vulcan? They submitted to the authority of the Council not a fellow member planet of the Federation. Vulcan itself doesn't have the same authority that the Federation Council possesses and a claim to such legitimacy would be questioned if not rejected. Why should a Romulan colony world submit to the dictates of a Romulan world when the authority was vested in the government of Romulus itself? It doesn't seem that you're taking the issue of legitimacy into account in your assessment. The Romulans would also have to contend with the Klingons. There is quite a bit of disputed territory between them and the Klingons would gladly exploit the resulting chaos that the destruction of Romulus would bring.

[@CelticVictory]

I disagree with your U.S. comparison. 100 years ago, there wasn't a contingency in place to relegate authority should the Washington leadership be eliminated. Nowadays, there are protocols in place to determine the order of succession and who'd have authority. We also don't vest our authority completely in Washington. States are somewhat autonomous and hold legitimate authority should the government in Washington disappear. This isn't the case with Romulus. The senate is the only source of authority in the Romulan Star Empire. Eliminate the planet and its source of authority, and there's be disagreement regarding who should lead. The state would fracture with each group claiming legitimacy. This has been fairly well represented in the formation of the Romulan Republic and the Imperial Romulan State. They each claim to be the legitimate successor of the Romulan Senate. I agree with your point on the Federation. Its an idealization of how things could be if everyone was selfless and worked together which just isn't how people are. The dysfunction that is the United Nations demonstrates your point on both the Federation and United Earth. I also agree with you in regards to the movies. Remaking Star Trek with younger actors is a way to say that you've run out of ideas. One of the best things Star Trek did was move away from the Enterprise and expand what we've seen of the Star Trek universe. DS9 really allowed us to see how other races viewed the Federation. I remember an episode where Quark and Garak have a discussion about that very thing and it really showed how growing up on Cardassia and Ferenginar affected them and their views. It also showed what life was like at the frontiers of Federation space where previously we mostly saw what the Federation was like within their own territory. The destruction of Romulus was a great opportunity to explore how that would affect Romulan society and also how the Federation and Klingons would respond. This would also cause tension between the Federation and the Klingons as the Klingons would be more likely do exploit the situation while the former would be more interested in making diplomatic overtures. It was an excellent storytelling opportunity that was missed and one can only hope that will be explored in Star Trek: Picard. The reboot added absolutely nothing to the franchise and was a way to make profit without really having to add anything new which, as you noted, was lazy. I see Discovery as an extension of the Abramsverse and don't consider as Star Trek either.

[@a.morphous66]

Liberty Prime It is 100% canon, despite the fact that it takes place in an alternate universe. You can ignore most of its events if you like, but at least the destruction of Romulus actually happened in the Prime Timeline. Please stop shouting.

[@k.hallwalk5004]

So, if the Klingon Empire represents the Soviet Union, is it safe to assume that the Romulans, (especially since the TNG era) can serve as a stand in for the Chinese system?

[@jasonshirrillmusic]

that's a good one

[@joimy95]

I think nazi Germany is a better example.

[@jacenstarheart6256]

Outstanding!

[@jdsim9173]

06:08 Of course it resembles Rome, Romulans were taken from the roman culture, including their myths of their planet names.

[@TOFKAS01]

Quite a plothole in the vulcan/romulan concept. Vulcans were capable of interstellar travell thousands of years ago. But either the vulcans or the romulans are technologicaly advanced than all the other major species. Normaly the romulans should have dominated the Alpha and Beta Quadrant by the time of Star Trek.

[@sabin97]

i dont think the klingons were too far behind them.....and it would have been quite costly(if even possible) to defeat them. they would have easily defeated the humans, vulcans, tellarites and andorians separately, but they all joined forces and became much mightier than the mere sum of its parts. the cardassians would also have been problematic to conquer......

[@cyborgbadger1015]

I'm pretty sure the Praetor is Jim Robinson from Neighbours!

[@gothicshark]

I need to point out an error in your video. I had to check as this error seems to be in several videos and not just yours. The Reman in the official canon are not described as a separate lineage from Vulcans, but in the books including the book series ALL Romulan lore is based on the Reman are descended from those on Raptor Wings but were altered to survive on Remus.

[@thesandwich5321]

I'd be interested in an update to this after the events of Picard

[@Perktube1]

I don't understand the Romulan emblem that well. Where's the head?

[@Razorgeist]

Good video but its one in bad need of an update in revelation of Discovery season 3.

[@johntoothilljr.5328]

Cool !

[@mrbojangles8133]

My favourite specues in Trek

[@Doogie769]

Xindi species next please

[@KuDastardly]

Does anyone think that the capital city of the Romulan Empire just so happens to look somewhat like the ancient city of Carthage? When it comes to warfare, Romulans do it with more finasse than Klingons do. It's like they exploit The Art of War to nerfarious extremes. Vulcans be like Greek high elves while Romulans are basically Roman dark elves.

[@ricardusrex4234]

"Hi, Christopher, I'm Nero." Lol

[@arthurjohnson9135]

What happened to Remus?

[@XX-sp3tt]

Did some digging. Apparently in beta-content, the Romulans used genetic engineering to remove the Pon Farr from their genome... but it wasn't flawless as it could still be triggered by relations with Vulcans.

[@brothersgt.grauwolff6716]

We are Romulan's the loss of Romulus will not be the end of the Romulan people we will persevere we will survive We Will RISE! for we are ROMULUS! all hail The Romulan Republic!

[@tovan6964]

The Romulan Star Empire as before with the Reman as equal! That will be awesome and the rest as slave👍🏻😁

[@tovan6964]

@Marks Madmarktigan Jolan Tru!

[@CelticVictory]

Hail the Romulan Imperial State.

[@VestedUTuber]

@@CelticVictory We found the Tal'Shiar agent...

[@CelticVictory]

VestedUTuber Who is it, me? It'd be a tragedy if something should happen to your ship.

[@defensivekobra3873]

The writers were trying really hard to make vulcan space-rome huh?

[@matthewgarofolo7231]

I always found the romulans more interesting than the Vulcans. Oh wow, space elves that suppress all emotion big whoop. I care about almost nothing because that would be illogical. The romulans on the other hand, are a passionate, but brutal people that are more than just “logic is better than feeling anything”

[@googleuser7454]

They have way more depth and I think Vulcans could benefit from understanding Romulans. How come Romulans were able to keep their emotion and build a strong empire while not falling to the level of savages while Vulcans have to constantly keep it in check?

[@matthewgarofolo7231]

@@googleuser7454 exactly! I’d rather talk to a emotive, but aggressive romulan instead of a condescending calculator.

[@redoktober8164]

Can you make another of this video that is non canon

[@kbcinmedusn]

So Romulans are basically renegade Vulcans.