The Evil Plan for Paris

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[@hoogyoutube]

@@poepkak6714 Dank je Poep Kak

[@maxrichter9513]

Hei Hoog kun je een kanaal maaken nar je i nederlands spreekt? Ik hou van nederlands ook vil et leren

[@23Shadowfox23]

This is a great way to advertise Nebula ;)

[@ShaunCheah]

I'd like to mention that this is the closest a read has come to making me consider subscribing to Nebula since I was told years ago that Money was a Nebula exclusive. Ultimately I still have too much to watch on KZbin and too little time to watch it all, but if that ever changes (new job with less hours?), Nebula and Dropout will be the first to benefit.

[@ivanmadrigalt]

I love your videos. High quality, informative and interesting. Love from Texas USA!

[@imonymous]

Le Corbusier's ideas seem impractical on a real world scale, but he would have been a kick ass Cities: Skylines streamer.

[@katk.6723]

with the player base's obsession with highways I can totally see that. But even beside that, some of his ideas work pretty well in-game

[@jonathantan2469]

It has actually been put into use globally, though rarely to this scale. Highrise apartment complexes & public housing apartments are certainly an influence of his urban design. Interestingly, his ideas were implemented on a smaller scalle in Paris... not in the city centre, but as public housing complexes in the outer suburbs. These places today are infamous for antisocial behavior, social issues, & crime.

[@JohnHenryEden2277]

Born in the wrong generation.

[@TeamKatastrophe]

His political ideas would make him a neat Tropico streamer tho

[@BrutusAlbion]

@@jonathantan2469 The Bijlmer in the Netherlands (mentioned in this video) is also notorious for the same problems. Seems while the ideas are kinda cool on a surface level idea, they are absolutely terrible for actual human beings. I personally think that the obsession with 'order' removes the natural flow of 'chaos' that is inherent in our hearts. You cannot order the human spirit without losing it in the process hence some natural disorganisation needs to remain to provide space for the soul to breath.

[@SamaelZem]

As a city planning student, we study Le Corbusier and his modernism influenced predecessors as a foundation of what not to do

[@kwalsh2666]

SAME

[@choobs8511]

As an architecture student, we studied Le Corbusier and his modernism as a general overview, not much critique was offered. A lot of architecture teaching seems to fail to imagine the lived experience of normal people. Architects have a terrible habit of isolating themselves from the realities of living. Ironically it creates awful architecture when this happens.

[@ligametis]

Sad. I would like to see this, I hate what kind of architecture is built nowadays. Same crazy density and low amount of green zones as in 1800s are usual. Really don't like cities like Copenhagen, Amsterdam, Vienna.

[@NotMeInc]

Same here

[@PiotrekZadworny]

@@ligametis Totally agree. I don't know about Copenhagen and Vienna, but Amsterdam sucks badly. Everything is way too crowded, this dense "mixed-use" architecture makes you constantly overstimulated and worried if someone won't ride their bike right into you. It's too small, too dense and too loud. If I wanted to live in a bazaar, I'd move to one.

[@mjr_schneider]

Le Corbusier really is the supervillain of architecture. You get the feeling all his plans were designed specifically to look cool when looking down on tiny models of them and not to actually be nice to live in.

[@eh1702]

Yeah, except his plan for his own rambling suburban home in a nice private garden. Oddly unlike the homes he envisaged for the rest of us.

[@theviniso]

Honestly I think he was a very good architect. As an uban planer, though, I have to agree.

[@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva]

@@theviniso No, he really wasn't. He has zero eye for aesthetics and form is just as important as function, if not more.

[@user-cc32vcg811]

@@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva Love a 3-hour commute because some dumb architect thought it was cooler if there was grass instead of a bus stop.

[@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva]

@@user-cc32vcg811 Remind me: what has grass to do with architecture again? That's part of city planning.

[@meneither3834]

There is a reason architecture and city planning are different fields.

[@miuhcupcake2285]

They are heavily connected tho, u find a lot of architects working in City planning

[@mishynaofficial]

@@miuhcupcake2285 we are doomed.

[@idromano]

In my country, both are combined in one major (undergrad course). How is it where you live? :)

[@miuhcupcake2285]

@@idromano same

[@sentosaco]

I'm a designer and I regard architects the same way. Design is inherently connected to function. If it doesn't work, the design is useless.

[@knocturna9731]

Nebula really did snatch up all the urban planning KZbinrs.

[@Homer-OJ-Simpson]

City Beautiful, Not just Bikes, Hoog, City Nerd. 4 of those on nebula that I follow are urban planning or have lots of discussion on it.

[@knocturna9731]

@@Homer-OJ-Simpson The got RM Transit as well.

[@ligametis]

@@Homer-OJ-Simpson Most seem like usual anti car, pro rail propaganda.

[@wrzesienkuba]

@@ligametis propaganda xdd

[@ligametis]

@wrzesienkuba of course it was irony, but those channels are frequently ignoring that people have preferences and many love their cars. Sometimes it is even their favourite possession

[@eh1702]

Interesting that Corbusier designed for himself an airy, large house in a garden that most people would be glad to live in.

[@merileopardisaksassa7030]

He designed every apartment with huge openable windows, rooftop gardens or access to balconies. Sounds pretty humane to me. Before he went of the rails batshit crazy with perfecting 'the living machine' he revolutionized living for the working class.

[@thedamnedatheist]

It's actually a fairly common, well known phenomenon called "The Design Disconnect". kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWrTmGWgZ9R6r5I

[@KunshuOo]

​@@merileopardisaksassa7030 Soviet commies block revolutionised affordable houses for the working class. A skyscraper is expensive as fuck to build and rent, no worker would be able to afford those.

[@_blank-_]

@@tescolemonade Maybe they're talking about the Villa Jeanneret-Perret

[@kidakvls2305]

@@_blank-_ You're probably right. Anyhow it would be his very early career, I don't think the radical ego and philosophy was there just yet.

[@JoshuaFagan]

I once had a class in my university on the history of art and architecture from the Parthenon to the present, and I distinctly remember the day we talked about Le Corbusier. There was such an overwhelmingly negative response from almost all the students. It's rare that someone can still garner as much hatred 100 years after their death.

[@nataliekhanyola5669]

He hasn't been dead for 100 years.

[@abelsuisse9671]

Not all he did was bad. He also contributed a lot to architecture. His five points of new architecture are still fundamental to modern buildings, things that we now give for granted, such as the importance of my having supporting walls to increase the sense of space and design freedom, the free design of façades and the large windows

[@eh1702]

Yes. It’s remarkable how his design for his own house was nothing like any of these horrible huge buildings: an airy, big-windowed suburban home in a private garden.

[@RAFMnBgaming]

I can absolutely understand why.

[@AR-mv3zh]

he butchered so many beautiful cities, so yes, I'm not surprised by the reaction

[@InfinityR319]

As a Hongkonger myself I finally understood why does Le Corbusier’s plan rang so many bells in my head. That’s because Hong Kong follows a lot of Le Corbusier’s planning principles for many New Towns that are built after the 70s. All these skyscrapers lining up in a near grid like manner are housed with people, and with parks, malls and transit hubs near close proximity. Everything is walkable and conviennent, and most of the time you can get by without a car, but it’s also soul crushingly dull and suffocating because all you see are just the top of the buildings and not a vast open sky.

[@babla69420]

But his plan included lots of green spaces

[@fraziercrawford]

Aye thanks for being a reasonable individual capable of pointing out the flaws in their living space

[@gogogo1794]

Asian cities are much more likely to have been influenced by modernism or international style, which was influenced a lot by Japan and pre-dated Le Corbusier but influenced him a lot.

[@AizakkuZ]

This is wild to read as a suburbian, I couldn’t care less if I can see the open sky when everything else around me is damaged pavement, empty parking lots, and abandoned-damaged buildings.

[@cheese4788]

@@AizakkuZ hong kong new towns are extremely well maintained, green, modern, frequently renovated and clean

[@deepaksanaka]

I'm from India and visited Chadigarh enough times to comment on it. It is India's first planned city designed exclusively by Corbusier. It has a grid layout and is possibly the worst city in India for pedestrians. It's grid layout made distances long forcing almost everyone to have a car. Traffic is getting worse every year because population is growing and they need cars to move around.

[@Jambomambopambo]

The very same thing can be said about Brasília. Probably it is Brazil's least walkable city. There isn't much traffic there, though, as the highways are ridiculously large.

[@deepaksanaka]

@A Z I don’t get why every discussion about India turns towards poverty. Maybe you should visit Chandigarh, it’s one of the richest cities of India. For every one good grid city there are 100 more which are the worst.

[@Ryan.2]

​@user-tt3yj4lt4uThe difference is that those also give residents multiple options for travel, walking, buses, trains/subways.

[@beaku3]

@A Z Grid cities are some of the worst cities in terms of walkability and traffic. It's got nothing to do with economics and everything to do with fundamental design.

[@_blank-_]

@@beaku3 Barcelona is doing fine with a grid layout. The problem isn't the grid itself but its scale ie the size of the roads and blocks.

[@GojiMet86]

The more I see master plans with order and symmetry, the more I think that OCD plays a big role. The "feeling" comes first (the orderly streets and buildings), then the justification ("This is the most efficient way, the most futuristic thing, etc...").

[@artinmotabari6797]

Thats an interesting take. Think i heard somewhere about the dictator types being orderly... way too orderly

[@LancesArmorStriking]

CEOs are 40% more likely to suffer from psychopathy. Maybe there is something to this.

[@serendripity2498]

That's not what OCD is, but yea I get your point

[@Tpoleful]

You're confusing OCPD with OCD like most people. But that is understandable since the names of the disorders are not well though out.

[@Watchmanskey]

The main tenets of authoritarian architecture are symmetry, monumentality, and modernism without a care for "degenerate" ornamentations. Hitler's planned Volkshalle comes to mind

[@amsterdamandco]

The Notre Dame that's randomly burning in the corner had me LOL.

[@vaiyaktikasolarbeam1906]

can ypu point out where and when on the video? I just couldnt find it...

[@monsieur_]

@@vaiyaktikasolarbeam1906 3:20 - 3:30

[@ommsterlitz1805]

It's not the first time it burned but certainly is the first one to involve muslim migrants pushed in from Germany Italy and Spain

[@stayawayfromthoseoranges]

GOD I LOVE FLAUNTING MY WEALTH BY DISRUPTING THE BEAUTY OF CENTURIES OLD ARCHITECTURE

[@badsmilesorrisocattivo]

Basically

[@carstarsarstenstesenn]

just another day here in the united states

[@merileopardisaksassa7030]

Actually no. His whole point was to be more humane than the actual living conditions of his time. Every single one of his actual real-life buildings had running water for washing hands, made cleaning for hygiene incomprehensibly easy, had a terrace or balcony, was modular to give people more living space when not using their beds and had huge windows. One of his mottos was 'Humans wither away without access to fresh air, light and exercise'. He usually designed his apartments & houses to be affordable for poor to working class citizens. Imagine being stuck in a tiny, unclean hovel with fungi growing in the ceiling & brick cracks without running water, having one, maybe two rooms for your whole family, and possibly sleeping in shifts with another family. He was a revolutionary and we own him a lot for improving standards of living in regards to hygiene and quality of life. He got too obsessed with his principles and lost all sense of what humans need socially and mentally and culturally, but his intentions were more than comandable. Seach for floorplans and pictures of his buildings in the Weissenhof Siedlung in Stuttgart! In regards to the Nazi allegations: it's complicated. He might have been an authoritarian but on the left, not the right. He's more of a cimunist than a nazi. He was actually interogated by them several times, threatened and the previously mentioned Weissenhof Siedlung was shut down, almost destroyed, due to accusations of 'destroying cultural landscapes by making arabic white buildings'.

[@LancesArmorStriking]

@@carstarsarstenstesenn True but you need to change centuries to century, at best

[@jonathantan2469]

But back then in the 1920s, there was little appreciation for buildings which were mostly aging structures built in the 1800s, and used by the lower classes at that time. In hindsight, it was a good thing his grand plan for Paris did not get off the drawing board.

[@ritris5165]

I think a big issue that's overlooked with all these 'futuristic' cities, is that they completely disregard the inter-sub-communities that naturally find their places within grander communities, these cities are all designed with focus on the business and consumerism aspect of society and not the communities within a cities boundaries.

[@fraziercrawford]

It's deliberate. Communites create self contained system of support, without putting money into the global economy. Carpooling and communal gardening and whatnot. From the perspective of a complete moron who thinks money is good, communities are immoral You gotta break up the possibility for communities to increase the cost of living to keep profits in line with inflation

[@ritris5165]

@@fraziercrawford spot on IMO,

[@MothOnWall]

​​@@fraziercrawford That's virtually impossible. People will always establish communities. The three despots in history that tried to eradicate any semblance of community were the Nazis, the Stalinists (communists on steroids), and Maoists. And they tried to do so through atrocities.

[@joaodorjmanolo]

THIS!

[@lamanodeyoutubedeyoutube5754]

there must be a balance, economic gain, humanism

[@SeanA099]

God. Why can't architects just be normal people?

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

Why can't organists be

[@quedtion_marks_kirby_modding]

They are architechts.

[@jtgd]

Because they’re artists

[@nieno9760]

The man was a fascist, he couldn't be normal.

[@paxshmitz2665]

@@jtgd Yea really autistic

[@vianabdullah2837]

If Le Corbusier has million haters, then I'm one of them. If Le Corbusier has one hater, then I'm THAT ONE. If Le Corbusier has no haters, that means I'm dead.

[@MustraOrdo]

Same

[@zuz-ve4ro]

except his drawings were quite cool imo

[@AlberYouTube]

You can add me to this list

[@mountpennart]

Me too. I love juxtaposing Le Corbusier with Frank Lloyd Wright in my art history class, and let my students draw their own conclusions.

[@nieno9760]

Based

[@dan_38]

Funny enough, a professor of mine discussed this topic on Brasilia. A friend of his left anecdote of the living conditions there: the people go to work, and it is always cold. there is no life here. And once the weekend arrives, the streets lie empty, as all jumped on trucks and planes to head back to Rio de Janeiro. Once Monday comes, the streets go full again, but the life is still cold.

[@tamborill]

Actually living isn't that bad over here. Given that the city started from literally nothing (everything was "finished" in 1960), there were no historical buildings to be built over or near; knowing the exact location of a building is easy (streets don't have names, they follow a numbering order), going to places is easy as well, and the buildings on stilts give the residential areas a pretty cool look imo. Also loads of places good for partying, if that's what your friend likes the most (without the rampant crime and violence as in Rio)

[@gawkersmamhe]

is it even that bad? bro i live in brasilia with my parents n my childhood is full of wonderful memories. people here r a community

[@Grandesecole]

Come to Seoul. Le Corbusier's ideas literally came to life. Such a depressing cityscape.

[@Omagad313]

Idk why but these type of buildings are just the worst place to live in France and maybe Russia. They had been built after WW2 to rebuild cities, to re-inhabit all people but failed. In Netherland, they successfully did it

[@Gotuber126]

It is commonly seen not only in Seoul but also throughout the country, even in rural and mountainous areas.

[@dalstein3708]

Le Corbusier wasn't the first to want to bulldozer the centre of Paris, though. Baron Haussmann preceded him by a century or so. But his designs were made so long ago that most people now consider them tasteful.

[@vladbucur9935]

Ideologically, Haussmann, Le Corbusier and Soviet urban planning have the same concept - totalitarianism - erasing the past to empower a new world view. Urban planning for controlling the empire age, for controlling the interwar era and for controlling the soviet era. You can argue about advantages, disadvantages and subtleties all day, they all exchanged something good/bad for something else good/bad.

[@vladbucur9935]

@Mira Moche I also prefer the Haussmann type urban planning, similar to Barcelona's Eixample. But in the same time, the large avenues were made to easily shoot civilians with cannons in case of riots. Good/bad!

[@Biscuitsdefortune]

The author of this video did a video about it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYiwd5KCZbtoibM

[@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva]

@Mira Moche I don't know man, last time I checked the New Reich Chancellary and various buildings in Italy built in the 1930s look by and far better (and more functional) than this weird French dude inspired by modernism, and those things were built under NatSoc/Fascist ideologies.

[@nashjonas]

@Mira Moche haussman may not have been a fascist- but he was authoritarian. many of his changes to Paris were to make it harder for citizens to protest the government

[@AP-yx1mm]

Love how Le Corbusier said Belgrade was an ugly city, because it had so many different architectural styles...

[@fraziercrawford]

I almost feel bad for these hyper neurotic types that have been assured so many times thru out their lives that their compulsive inflexibility is a positive attribute. All someone had to do was NOT punish them when they expressed themselves and these things wouldn't even happen

[@nirad8026]

Funnily enough, New Belgrade is essentially Le Corbusier's dreams come to fruition.

[@Omenvreer]

"There are just too many countries" -Le Corbusier and Hitler

[@vokasimid5330]

Was Dobrovic Le Corbusier's student?

[@ingvarhallstrom2306]

What's so beautiful with Belgrade is how you can read all the layers of the city so easily, one can really see in what different time period the city blossomed intertwined with stagnation. It could be one of the most beautiful cities in the world if just all the buildings were washed and some of them restored. All the layers are there, all the time periods are represented.

[@faded_ink3545]

It’s like architects are intentionally trying to build cyberpunk dystopias. (Edit: architects are mad at me)

[@MustraOrdo]

Not all architects Not all policemen Not all contractors Not all doctors Not all scientist Blame the dicks, not the profession Politicians, however...

[@Hobbyrepubliken]

*fascist architects

[@matthewgarcia3356]

If it makes you feel any better, most new and young architects hate LeCorbusier. He was an egomaniacal loser. He was also not a very good person. He would steal credit for work, worked with fascists because all he cared about was his own work being done, and on one infamous instance, he was so jealous of a design by one of his ex employees, Eileen Gray, that he went and vandalized the house with paint to a point that was irreparable to its original condition. The house still exists, but it does not look how Eileen Gray originally designed it. The only good thing LeCorbusier did was create the concept of the open floor plan, in my humble opinion lol.

[@XMysticHerox]

Cyberpunk ultimately came about as a warning about this exact sort of ideology so it's moreso the other way around.

[@eh1702]

It’s the inverse; writers of dystopia from the early 20th C based their dystopias in these architects’ visions.

[@Homer-OJ-Simpson]

I'm glad they kept the old part of Paris in tact. The high rises and modern downtown are several km away which is great for keeping the historic areas looking historic.

[@ligametis]

There is almost no real old Paris intact. We can fake imperialist Paris due to Haussmann, that demolished most of it in mid 1860s

[@SCIFIguy64]

Paris is technically younger than the US architecturally, about the same age as DC. It’s why both cities share similar concepts and styles.

[@kal_bewe1837]

@@SCIFIguy64 Yes but no, unlike the United States there are several buildings in Paris from the Renaissance, medieval and Roman periods.

[@azarshadakumuktir4551]

@@kal_bewe1837 Like where? There is literally no neighborhood I know of in Paris where most architecture is older than the 1850s... Also there is a great total of two roman buildings (the arenas and the baths which were excavated), and medieval buildings are mostly churches... I wouldn't even be able to name a single "rennaissance" era building in Paris (apart from a bridge), some of them date indeed to the modern era, but more the XVIIth and XVIIIth centuries, and few of them are residential. Paris like most european cities isn't that old. If you want old cities you should better go to cities which have preserved their medieval center (Carcassone, Bourge, Köln, Dijon and others) or to Italy and the MENA which where a lot more urbanized in earlier times.

[@SCIFIguy64]

@@azarshadakumuktir4551 You can get under a Euro’s skin by informing them that there are buildings in Colorado older than Rome.

[@just_in_key]

When you’re in a worst city design planning competition and your opponent is le corbusier 😔

[@tequilasunset4651]

It's ok unless they convince him it's a best city design planning competition

[@dr.wallacebreen3859]

When you're in a city design planning competition for the new world order and your opponent is Le Corbusier 😱

[@matthewmatthew638]

0:45 5 million population for a city in 1930 is freaking nuts.

[@jeremycurle6880]

there were close to a million people living in rome in the year 400

[@imonymous]

@@jeremycurle6880 1 million population for a city in 400 is freaking nuts.

[@Fred_the_1996]

​@@imonymous 1 million freaking nuts

[@hydrogencyanide4999]

London had well over 6 million people by 1900 and Rome had 1 million people by 1 AD.

[@aniketmane6232]

@@Fred_the_1996 you mean 500,000 freaking nuts considering rest 50% are Females lol

[@xanderx2523]

Most people: "Le Corbusier is a bad person because his buildings look ugly. Luckily we didn't go for his vision." Me thinking about all the modern cities with the same glass buildings:"....."

[@saosaqii5807]

They all look decent to me. Don’t know what’s the gripe with modern buildings when they are perfectly fine. If anything people moved on from “beautiful historic” buildings because they all looked the same for their time as well and frankly I don’t find beauty in many of the old decorated buildings either.

[@_blank-_]

He's literally responsible for these glass buildings too. The International Style comes in part from his work. You can also add Brutalism to his long list of crimes.

[@karakarakiri9568]

@@saosaqii5807 It's horrible and crush the human soul. There is lot of studies about it. Also it's pretty much the mc donalds or zara of building. No local identify (you have the same from Berlin and Cairo to Tokyo) and mediocre.

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

Modern buildings are still preferable because in most places they aren’t seperated by 3 layers of (up to) 20lane roads surrounded by flat grass fields with no trees.

[@saosaqii5807]

@@karakarakiri9568 agreed, cultural and certain traditional buildings are nice but just absolutely not the classical and overly decorated with meaningless art kind. Beauty is subjective yes but many classical buildings just ain’t for me. A few here and there amazing. Building too many of them as a common scenery? Equally bad.

[@iamthinking2252_]

The “I am not French” at 0:22 with the light switch being turned on seemed dramatic and gave me a little chuckle the way it was presented

[@yuki_musha]

Though, he is French. I don't know why they wrote that.

[@_jpg]

@@yuki_musha He was Swiss, though he lied about his nationality in order to work with Pétains regime.

[@yuki_musha]

@@_jpg He acquired the French nationality 10 years before Pétain's regime (so 9 years before WWII). He didn't need to lie about anything.

[@supaasandy9807]

⁠@@_jpgHe became French in 1930. That was before everything happened relating to WWII. Although, he DID collaborate with Pétain’s regime and he did have various links with Fascist and Anti-Semitic organizations.

[@wiizzpl4718]

Or in other words: How to make a city look bland, ugly, and not unique.

[@johnstevenson5084]

It certainly would have been unique.

[@Sun-gs6hq]

@@johnstevenson5084 Yes, it would be unique for its bland and ugliness.

[@rexyoda]

All modern skyscrapers be like

[@Daniel-jv1ku]

@@johnstevenson5084 You have got to be kidding me. How is that a virtue? It would be a dystopian nightmare in the middle of what used to be known as one of the most beautiful cities on Earth.

[@johnstevenson5084]

@@Daniel-jv1ku I never said it was a virtue.

[@ARJUNDASED]

As always, great visuals followed by intriguing topic, keep 'em coming.

[@kazikian]

The one truly good idea here is green space. Corbusier correctly realized that new materials like reinforced concrete opened up new possibilities. We tried this in the US with housing projects, and most failed spectacularly. However, look at a satellite view of NYC and the housing projects look almost like parks, because of all the green space. We should use this one positive effect of such architecture.

[@doryphoros]

I feel like Le Corbusier had a lot of good ideas but was just awful at implementing them

[@AngzarrArquebusier]

Honestly, I get the association of “towers in the park” with cramped commie blocks, but there really is so much potential for liveable neighborhoods with the green space and towers design

[@jonathantan2469]

The problem with public social housing projects is if you concentrate a large number of lower income folks together into a compound of high density towers... including people with drug & alcohol issues, delinquents, unemployed, & behavioural problems... you get a compounding effect of social issues & crime in the area. This is also a problem in Europe, and also here in Australia. Subsequent town planning now focuses on smaller lower density developments scattered between suburbs & careful selection of residents to avoid this problem.

[@AngzarrArquebusier]

@@jonathantan2469Bro I was JUST saying how towers in the park has a connotation of low-income public housing. I’m not saying anything about income brackets here, just that towers in the park would honestly be nice to live in, with 70% green space and walkability. (Also, did you just insinuate that exclusionary suburb planning is a good thing, or am I projecting what I hate onto you for a minor quibble)

[@patrickmogensen3865]

Towers in a park areas are not walkable since you spread everything out between huge empty fields of grass with little recreational value. The unnecessary big distances between buildings created by spreading them out between empty fields of grass makes these areas very car dependent

[@travroot]

Le Corbusier's "cruciform towers in a park" concept was widely adopted by several US cities for their public housing projects (like Cabrini-Green). It revealed some massive problems with the design-- because of the parks and single-use scheme, residents were physically very far from grocery stores, shops, offices, etc, which isolated them and redoubled their poverty. Add in elevator/mechanical mismanagement and you've got a recipe for disaster.

[@srb_guy3487]

5:14 "And unsurprisingly, he had a weird relationship with his mom, and also fascists, which often goes hand in hand" I really felt that

[@bjarnedansson9610]

He's a coping leftist, that's what they usually whine about

[@MauseDays]

nazzis when the shoe fits

[@johanbertelsen8412]

3:21 Nice touch in making the Notre Dame literally Explode

[@Western_1]

Can we get a French Bioshock/Atomic Heart set in a city like this? That would be awesome.

[@_blank-_]

It's called "La Seine Saint-Denis"

[@sion8]

​@@_blank-_ Is that actually a game?

[@Crow-lz7et]

​@@sion8 Nope, it's a department in France

[@sion8]

@@Crow-lz7et Oh, man!

[@jaimepujol5507]

I like a draft that Corbu made to illustrate his proposal, in which he had the BALLS to write "l'academie dit non" or "academics said no."

[@imonymous]

So he was using disapproval from academics as a selling point?

[@RAFMnBgaming]

@@imonymous I suppose that's the of-the-time equivalent to being one of those conspiracy weirdos complaining about "mainstream scientists".

[@jaimepujol5507]

@@imonymous I guess you can use anti-intellectualism as an excuse for anything

[@elmukaltino]

Anyone else read this in a Carol Beer voice in their head?

[@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart]

"MY IDEAS WILL NOT BE CONSTRAINED BY THE DICTATORSHIP OF SELF-PROCLAIMED "EXPERTS"!!!!!" *drinks bleach* *fucking dies*

[@zakewalkthroughz5082]

Your videos are a piece of art, you also mention topics unknown to people... incredible 🔥

[@elevadon]

De vrede der kunst

[@cavemann_]

Should be "piece of art". And ye, Hoog topics are really interesting.

[@zakewalkthroughz5082]

@@cavemann_ thank you

[@HigherQualityUploads]

He'd be a good set designer for dystopian media.

[@IMPERIALYT]

I'm going to be using this as a cheat sheet whenever I can't think of visuals - sorry, not sorry

[@134343]

Cool to see you here! Love your videos and visual styles too!

[@Nobodyherefornow]

Went to Architecture school. We learned a LOT about Corbusier in our history courses, and while I think his city plans and many of his macro-scale concepts were flawed and oftentimes problematic, I did learn to appreciate some of his architectural work when it came to living spaces and places of community. While many works are out of date, one would be remiss to discount his contributions to modernism and architecture through designs attempting to reconcile mass housing materials with modern age living requirements (even if not always successful). I’ll recommend Corbu’s Five points of architecture if anyone wants reading, as well as a look into well-executed brutalist buildings. The style is heavy but it shouldn’t need to be overly dark or oppressive. In fact, it can be quite light and airy at times.

[@antoinetremblay22]

The fact that this plan ever even existed fills me with unspeakable dread

[@kummer45]

Cities: Skylines may use this model as a DLC with all the theory explained. That would be a great experience for Students of Architecture and all the work this architect generated. This could be illustrated in Unreal engine 5.2. Many of Le Corbusier work could be done in Grasshopper 3D and of course modeled for people to see and understand.

[@wowkay6220]

Why is bro explaining it like it's a movie 💀

[@ivanklimov7078]

your videos have no bussiness looking this slick, it's amazing. glad to be here before you hit a milli subs, which is gonna happen in a couple months i'm pretty sure

[@ruzzelladrian907]

Le Corbusier is the reason why the general public has disdain for modern architecture. And there’s a good reason for that. An example of trash modernist architecture on a implemented on large scale is in New York City. New York City is just like Paris. Organic growth, walkable, and narrow street meant for pedestrians. Then here comes Robert Moses who was obsessed with cars and segregation. He demolished plenty of historical neighborhoods to pave way for highways cutting in between neighborhoods. He built hideous public housing shaped like crosses, just like Le Corbusier’s designs. To this day, they’re hideous. There are neighborhoods in Queens, Brooklyn, and especially The Bronx that have to live with the eyesore and negative health effects of highways - also very impractical for us pedestrians.

[@Gryphnn]

0:37 from the 1920 to 1930 the population grew from 4 to 5000000. Surely the population increased by 124999900% in 10 years.

[@-JBYT-]

4 million to 5 million is what he meant r/woosh

[@Gryphnn]

@@-JBYT- How ironic

[@axolotldoesyoutube]

@@Gryphnn What object? Tyres or doors?

[@nicrave6874]

That burning Notre Dame tho💀

[@jonathantan2469]

Somehow, I think Le Corbuisier would approve...

[@f40carz93]

@@jonathantan2469 prolly lol

[@David-ww2sg]

I love the slight shade and deadpan humour you include. Always catches me off-guard, love it.

[@shioyoutube9041]

His designs really do feel like if an alien or AI supercomputer was ordered to design the ultimate civilisation without actually considering how humans work. Some of the ideas are actually scientifically correct, but just so dystopian and strict. They would be so miserable to live in. I’m in favour of density and green space but he found way to make both things miserable and empty.

[@balrogdemorgoth4741]

Honestly, on its own the designs could make a pretty unique city to see if any of it work (probably wouldn't), the problem come when you want to apply it to every pre-existing major city and it get nausea inducing to see, especially at the expense of historical buildings.

[@bunny_apocalypse]

Corbusier inspired buildings in Netherlands look like more spaced out and nature filled commie blocks. I have soft spot for efficient buildings like these and they can really work. Demolishing historical centres is just rubbish tho.

[@michaelwatts8354]

I kinda like where this guys coming from, efficiency being key in his designs.

[@cascadian4250]

Separated by uses, monotonous, connected via highway, class segregated, and obsessed with how much of the area you can cover with grass…. Sounds a bit familiar as an American. Corbusier’s plan and modern American suburbs look nearly identical in all regards. Although they’re diametrically opposite when it comes to density.

[@memeabledata]

This video is a masterpiece.

[@alkayamassaly4185]

Hoog from the top! Excellent video.

[@Simplicissimus]

Banger

[@EelcoWind]

It's a terrible plan, but not an evil one. Corbusier believed in the city as a machine, it had to be optimized and old dirty streets were inefficient. He grew up in an age before modernism, and there weren't any projects like this (or Bijlmer) that proved his ideas wrong yet. The reinforced concrete seemed a magical material back then, finally allowing great spans in architecture, allowing light in and giving used free use of the floor plan. That light and greenery (lifting the building up, to give green space back to the city) are the core believes of his architecture and urbanism. That measurement system was based on the human body, because he wanted to make spaces optimized for the human body to use. He just took it way too far in this plan (and most of his urban schemes), as he later realized. His last works are more tactile, softer and more suited for the human soul. You can see his last buildings as his critique on his earlier works. He was not evil (although he did lean towards authoritarian regimes, but more because he could get his ideas built there), he just had misinformed dreams and learned later in life, as all of society did, that the building as a machine is not always ideal for the human soul.

[@Bunny-ch2ul]

In Le Corbusier's defense, Haussmann's very radical redevelopment of Paris was very much in living memory at the time. Some of those projects weren't finished until the twenties. A lot of what Corbusier was proposing to tear out would be akin to tearing out New Deal projects in the US, or postwar buildings in Europe today. A lot of the most iconic buildings and structures in Paris today really aren't super old, at least not by European standards. His ultra organized city planning was also a pretty standard thought at the time. See: American Suburbia. Which is truly heinous.

[@ashleyhamman]

I think the phrase the captures Le Corbusier the best is that he thought of housing as "machines for living in".

[@nirad8026]

I don't understand why nobody told him "How about you yourself live in a living machine, and let the rest of us live in actual homes"

[@TheStrandedAlliance]

Knowing the build quality of Corbusier's buildings, the inner city of Paris would now be threatened by a total collapse if this plan went through.

[@foundationgamer9771]

Certified Burgundy Ost-Paris moment

[@Aristocles22]

Le Corbusier sounds like the perfect man to design a sci-fi dystopia.

[@acorgiwithacrown467]

Literally the towers from Judge Dredd, looks and sounds dystopian. But I guess that was kind of the point? That being said I kind of love the idea of different raised transport layers with buildings above the lower layers.

[@juanjara9904]

Great animations dude! Really sets this channel apart from others! Pleasure to watch!

[@mubarak5123]

hero: i wonder where the villain is hiding *the villain*

[@freelancepear87kakkoka11]

people like Le Corbusier are the exact reason why architects need to be kept on leash, he could have built that shit anywhere, but he chose the historic center of Paris. one of the quintessential centers for western culture and aesthetics. people like him hate beauty, they hate humanity and this should be recognized in all the things they do and be responded with the utmost disdain and dismissal of their ideas. i am truly glad his ideas didn't get through.

[@LucasDimoveo]

That seems a bit extreme

[@omarma7815]

he was literally facist, but you generalise an extreme individual on millions of architects? do you also hate modern day germany because of hitler?

[@shanewalker3273]

Would you rather have aesthetics or have enough houses for people to live affordably?

[@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva]

@@shanewalker3273 The first, without a doubt. The second can always be achieved with *remigrating the non-Europeans currently taking up houses everywhere in Europe.*

[@joaquimsilva6081]

"one of the quintessential centers for western culture and aesthetics" not it isn't lmao. The entirety of the region Corbusier would destroy was built following an authoritarian mindset to impede roadblocks at to make protestors more vulnerable. Thousands were displaced and most of the poor population was kicked out. It's a trillion times better than Corbusier's quasi-fascist design, but if it simbolizes something, it is how urban planning can be made to gentrify and punish the minorities; don't let the pretty decorations fool you

[@joeleesam4062]

The three years I spent doing my urban studies degree basically came down to ‘do not do what the modernists tried to do’

[@rutvikrs]

It hits hard for me given I just visited Chandigarh, India's blandest city in my personal opinion.

[@personator]

The separation of traffic into layers might be one of the only decent ideas in the plan; it's how some of central Chicago is laid out, and removes a good amount of traffic from one of the most heavily-walked areas of the city.

[@Var_]

Damn Hoog, the video editing and animations have become excellent. Bring back the Patreon!

[@EmilianoLedoux]

Half architects in the world admire Le Corbusier, the other half hate him so much.

[@joeyg9744]

Babe wake up! Hoog posted

[@thenasiudk1337]

Le Corbusier is probably a city architect for Ingsoc in 1984

[@misterms]

Everyone's steaming hate on Le Corbusier, but aside from city planning(he was not an urban layout planner, he was an architect), his individual projects were great. The blocky buildings we see today are not what he imagined 'condominiums' to be, it's just that his original plans and visions were butchered by people later who didn't understand what he really hoped to achieve.

[@aktuellyattee8265]

This is the most Jacobin thing since the French revolution.

[@lucasvitos]

I love how you manage to include any kind of church or cathedral being burnt on your videos

[@merileopardisaksassa7030]

I love Le Corbusier! He did so much for modernist principles in architecture despite his shortcomings. Every single apartment of his had to be modular so there was more usable living space while beds weren't in use (& more people could humanely live there if necessary) have a balcony and huge windows for light. That includes working class families in cities! According to him humans can't live without clean air and exercise. You need to remember the dismal living conditions of working class people in cities at the time when he began his work. Tiny, unclean hovels that were unlivable. He insited on having running water in all buildings no matter the class of inhabitants so they could wash their hands and designed sinks split in two to separate where food was cooked and where clothing etc. was washed with chemicals. He was absolutely obsessed with perfecting living for everyone which turned him into a supervillain. He firmly believed that a more controlled life would be the most humane for everyone. Another crazy project of his that failed spectacularly is the redesign of Chandigarh Capitol Complex in India which is an unlivable cement nightmare for people without any consideration for culture. He thought of whats best for society on a large scale and forgot the actual people living in it. Fascinating visionary!

[@spacec1]

I'm loving the "I am not french" text it brings the video all together for no reason

[@Pedro-kp5fu]

3:26 notre dame got done dirty🗿

[@creech444]

I wish I could remmeber the book, but I did find (and buy) an architecture book that was all about megaprojects proposed in the 60s. One was a complete redo of Paris, but a bit different, it was all egalitarian. There was a new perfect grid for Paris and it was laid out on a big grid and was bascially one big building that went for miles. It completely gave over the ground floor to transportation and shipping But then all these connected buildings had a grand "street" every 5 floors that was for pedestrians, but then the one big flat gridded roof was reserved for parks and recreation. I know this period of architecture was misguided, but I also see it from a rather romantic view as well, that belief that such a dramatic redesign of the world would change society. I think we forget too that after WWII, people were really looking to remake and recreate the world, that the 'old world" needed fixing somehow and had to be redesigned from the ground up. Misguided, nieve, but in the end admirable I think, we're just lucky those people didn't get more big projects done and we eventually came back to contexturalism and building on a human scale.

[@airpodsmurf6175]

i thought this was an ongoing plan thank god i was wrong

[@rodneychan914]

Why is no one talking about how amazing the graphics and animations are??? Like WOW every time I watch a video of yours it just gets cooler and cooler.

[@fulanomenganobenitez483]

the most neutral person:

[@domsooch]

the music and the theme makes this seem like an analog horor of some sort. i like the vibe of this video and you did a good job describing everything so poetically

[@Co60-Ni60]

I love your videos hide that you continue to make them into the future

[@SKsuprakirby]

As a parisian, i'm happy this never went beyond the "le funny lego city" phase 😐

[@albevanhanoy]

I sure am glad this plan never came to pass. Paris is much better without it.

[@rio425ee]

Its funny because he did get so many of his concepts right and in a lot of ways was significantly ahead of his time, but the ways that he was wrong so dramatically undermined the ways that he was right. Its instructive that the ways that you are wrong are so often more important than the ways you are right, they matter so much more, they can negate even the most basic and self evident parts of your ideology or goals. Being wrong even in small ways can somtimes completely negate or derail what you are trying to achieve. Stiving to be correct always is hard, and requires you to constantly, ceaselessly, rexamine and be willing to reject things you hold true in light of significant evidence, it requires more perspective than normal people possess, and requires outside perspectives to make up for the gaps. And requires knowing when those perspectives are also wrong, and consideration of many invisible biases. But the consequences for being wrong can have such wide reaching effects that its downright irresponsible to not put forth the effort to not be wrong.

[@donactdum6635]

So basically he was French Albert Speer?

[@asmundukkelberg8741]

A lot of bad stuff can be said about Le Corbusier, but Albert Speer was in a different league. Chaucescu's palace, the hotels in Mecca and the World Islands in Dubai - That's Albert Speer stuff.

[@Kamome163]

Wow. Stunning video❤

[@GriseoFalco]

So he basically wanted Soviet stile blocks built but with social hierarchy. Some of the ideas sound cool and it would be OK if it would be used when having to build a completely new city or neighbourhood but putting it mid an already existing city should be a war crime.

[@tengkualiff]

underrated channel

[@simplepixel5617]

Wow, Paris almost had it’s own Ceausescu.

[@simplepixel5617]

@@aggravatedfruit_au True but he managed to implement to the Romanian Capital and most Romanian cities, what The Genius of the Riviera did not. Complete demolition and anihilation of the Romanian architectural history!

[@tokarukora7272]

And this is why you never give an architect absolute power.

[@baronmateo6736]

This plan is not that bad, course could be fine tuned, but think about it. It has a good holistic approach, really spacious, lot of greens, fast, effective. About his "fasicts" utopia thoughts: even though it is easy to condemn, but he saw the reality, which is present even now. Look at New York, who own the fancy top story apartments, and look at the less skilled mobs, who live further away. Everything is more hectic compared to his plans, but the societal hierarchy is there.

[@Gotuber126]

Korea actively adopted his ideas to promote housing. Tourists are surprised to learn that high-rise apartments exist in almost every region of Korea.

[@LukeVilent]

Having that said, Le Corbusier's idea was not something that revolutionary for Paris. Most o the medieval Paris was razed during the XIX century, to give wat to the iconic 5-6 story central Paris as we know it. If anyone ever takes an guided trip to Paris, they will show you the Rue de Chat qui Peche, emphasizing that it is one of the few streets that still exists from the Middle Ages. Perhaps, the fact that the authorities didn't go with the plan of demolishing half of the city to build something according to an overly strict design was even more innovative for Paris at the time.

[@Miffopro]

His suggested redevelopment plan for Stockholm in the early 1930s was equally, if not more, bizarre. Demolition of the entire north and south districts of the inner city, and most of the well-preserved old town city center with buildings dating back the 12th and 13th century, only sparing the royal palace and a few churches. Replacing everything else with brutal and gigantic, long and curved residential and office blocks. The very thought makes me shudder...

[@voinekku]

The problem with Le Corbusiers Radiant City was the rigidity and top-down design emerging from a single brain. In almost every other way its superior to what developer-ran free market capitalism produces. The Radiant city plan has much less of uberrich elite excess than any of the current western metropolises, and it has much less land wasted for ugly, noisy, polluting and dangerous roads and parking spots.

[@flavoursofsound]

Ngl Le Corbusier’s plans actually sound great on paper, or in isolation; the first minute nearly sold me. However when applied, are just completely insensitive and absolutely dystopian. Seeing his master plan in the context of Paris made me really glad most of those in power didn’t take him seriously (even though some did!). Those tower blocks just remind me of the ones in 2012 Judge Dread movie.

[@SassyPants34]

Ah an airodrome between huge building sounds like a great plan...

[@jonathantan2469]

To be fair, the Empire State Building was also designed & built to be a zeppelin airport.

[@SrsBismuth]

"It was The Line before it wasn't ever cool." Gold.

[@harenterberge2632]

You should have mentioned the banlieues which are also very much Corbusier inspired

[@friddevonfrankenstein]

As we can see it all worked out perfectly. All thriving, vibrant communities with no issues whatsoever xD