The Battle for Central Park

[@hoogyoutube]

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[@Pyt3x]

Feels good when you're the first one to upload the sponsorblock segment : )

[@JimCullen]

Hey Hoog, I haven't watched on KZbin so maybe it's better here, but the audio balance on Nebula is atrocious. There are parts where the music is so loud and the voiceover so quiet you can barely hear what's being said.

[@programmasters]

@hoogyoutube : I concur with @JimCullen :the audio on nebula is bad in comparison with youtube. The backgroundmusic overwhelms the voiceover, but weirdly on youtube there is no issue. Toch geweldige content en veel dank voor de prachtige films!

[@Steevo2004]

@@JimCullenI can confirm this too: I would prefer to watch this on Nebula, but the Audio is all wonky and I sadly see no way on Nebula to leave a comment or message to let you know about it.

[@alt-thinking]

This was so well presented i loved it and loved learning about it. Now do Hyde Park London!

[@DATAN420]

They should turn it into a big parking lot instead

[@jtgd]

Mark my words. It will become residential

[@GGray.]

So american. Maybe have a better public transportation and limit the city to only HOVs

[@JIIKX1]

OMG great idea!!! There's not enough parking in NYC! In fact, they should just bulldoze half the city and turn it into surface parking!

[@supersumo20]

The real American way

[@skysthelimitvideos]

I hate this meme so much

[@twincast2005]

The 16 smaller parks naturally wouldn't be remotely as iconic as Central Park, and realistically a single park is more easily protected in practice from being destroyed than when there are lots of "spares", but damn, New York would look so much friendlier and be so much healthier with all of those...

[@resevoirdog]

So true

[@wanderingbufoon]

better solution: bigger and plentiful parks. The urban expansion is too stupid. It may had worked that way before because of the technological constraints but now, we have better materials, better techniques/methods as well as better technology. We can build up and down instead of spreading out. We also require less space for other processes. Imagine the entire coast line of the islands and the coastlines of the mainland surrounding the island were still heavily nature oriented with only a few sections for commercial purpose like ports and harbour or transportation points. Majority of processes that are in NYC now require little to no brick and mortar as most are jobs that can be done online. The only ones would still require spaces would be for storage, power (electricity), water, and trash. Almost most production jobs are done elsewhere. Other processing that are common would be groceries and butcher shops. We don't live in logs, skyscraper capabilities are getting better so you can fit more people in them instead of building buildings next to each other (because of weight limitations). As most underground of the island is fairly developed, land sinking from the weight wouldn't be an issue since the base or foundation is unified. Parts of the island wouldn't sink but the entire island would instead. So it's a feasible problem. that can easily be provided a solution.

[@caseysmith544]

Yes and NYC has smaller parks too and look them up, however you would have ended up with a more Chicago problem where no parks or plants are in most of city or micro parks too small to help people especially now a bunch of areas with parks are no longer a part of actual Chicago. Problem here in Chicago compared to 99% of other cities is how parts after WWII grew so quick people could not keep up, probably faster then any city in USA due to having people of non white race moving north due to South East USA keeping Jim Crow laws longer then rest of USA even into 1970's for some parts.

[@theothertonydutch]

People should also fuck/reproduce less. But that's been historically kind of an impossible thing to deal with and even the most megalomaniacal "solutions" (both planned, as well as nature sorta just running its course) didn't actually work.@@wanderingbufoon

[@Lodestar12345]

​@@wanderingbufoon The problem with building up and building down is it creates a natural hierarchy, where the rich live up above and the poor are relegated to the depths. And building up also creates the issue of a lack of natural lighting, making ground level very unpleasant.

[@kingace6186]

Senator Beekman was a real piece of work. He wanted to use a public area to benefit his personal wealth, and then he wanted said area to be paid for by the public that barely benefited from it. He is basically the 19th century equivalent of a sports team owner demanding that the public build yet another new billion-dollar stadium.

[@diabolicalartificer]

Senator Beekman was a real piece of work, like Trump perhaps.

[@LightYagami-]

@@diabolicalartificer more so hunter actually

[@fender10g]

@@LightYagami- how so?

[@LuizHartkopf]

Like 99% of US politicians nowadays. They are only there for personal gains, with inside trading.

[@juntingiee2602]

@@LightYagami- hunter doesn't even have 1/10ths of land owned compared to trump

[@johanjvdw]

The way that the quotes are presented visually is utterly perfect and unique. Then the additional voice over put the cherry on top

[@ravimediatube]

i r eally really liked it lol

[@FrankDijkstra]

I'm actually not a big fan. It pushes away my attention

[@HistoryBuff_0]

@@FrankDijkstra What, how? Such a tranquil and mesmerizing voiceover, also fits into the video well.

[@FrankDijkstra]

@@HistoryBuff_0 ADHD 🙂

[@incomprehensible3945]

test

[@Wafa21]

The voice-overs were a nice touch!

[@Stealth_Pilot]

its like dune

[@CausticLemons7]

I had to double check the years because I thought they were actual historical recordings. But I really appreciate the atmosphere they lend to the video.

[@paulclavoo516]

they were all british for some reason

[@haukauntrie]

@@CausticLemons7 Yeah I thought they were recordings too until I recognized Jason from NJB :D

[@mfaizsyahmi]

@@haukauntrieGood ear!

[@CausticLemons7]

If both Central and Jones Parks had been built then I bet the land in between would see massive skyscrapers with a view of both areas.

[@P-Mouse]

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[@johndoeing]

John Griscom was a genius and a visionairy, yet his wikipedia is like 50 words. My God imagine being born when George Washington was fighting the brits and ending up with a mind that, in the 1800s, understood how 2000s and on property development and related unequality unfolds. He was spot on, we needed 8, or 16 parks, not one big one. EDIT: you guys need to realise; this was a man with an egalitarian, democratic, looking after the downtrodden in the big cities, mindset in the age of GEORGE WASHINGTON. EVERYTHING we have going on right now he expected while the industrial revolution didnt even reach the entire county.

[@hurricanemeridian8712]

Impressive

[@HNreport]

Well he could have also observed what had happened in London's parks. The video shows that a park in a city was not unprecedented

[@theolwinkledink]

It was pretty remarkable too that the cooling effect of his proposal was correct when there was no concrete data about urban heat islands and the like.

[@maxlife459]

I have to strongly object to this sentiment. Allowing it to be split up into many disparate parks opens each of them up to be eventually shut down one by one, making everyone worse off in the long term. One gigantic park, whilst suboptimal, puts up more resistance than one small park.

[@theothertonydutch]

Feels like symptom control@@maxlife459

[@kacperwoch4368]

Many great European parks used to be private gardens owned by the royalty and aristocracy and they simply became open to the public at some point. Meanwhile, in NY, a city of 750k people there was not a single man willing to give their land to the public. It seems the good of the people was the least of their concern.

[@Isperada]

Royalty and aristocracy already had a park set up that they weren't using for anything other than a garden. And since thet had such large private gardens they most likely had money to burn. Out of the 75k people only a few had that much land, and they were more businessmen, who obtained the land to gain more money. Plus all that land was undeveloped so no matter if they wanted to make a park or business, money needed to go in. Less about goodness of people, but more econimics.

[@GrantDWilliams82]

Yeah, because unlike in Europe, where landowners only owned their land because they killed people in battles to become rich, and oppressed peasants through onerous taxation …in America if you owned land it was because you had earned the money to be able to buy it. Would you give away the fruits of your labor?

[@avroarchitect1793]

@@GrantDWilliams82 Except the American land owners did the exact same thing as the aristocracy of Europe, both to the natives and to eachother. In fact the taxation of Europe on the pesants was arguably more fair than the system that was imposed in the US. Especially when you understand the feudal system that was in place when they formed (and not the charicature of a far more complex system that did have checks to power, that the US pushes).

[@horseradish843]

@@GrantDWilliams82 Hmm, who lived in the US before the europeans came to NA?

[@TheColorman]

I love the quote "deficient in sound reasoning"

[@Jorge_Pronto]

Did I just hear Nacho's Bikes in the voiceover?

[@RenéSaussy]

Not just bikes?

[@max-de-boer]

I thought I recognized him too!

[@Jorge_Pronto]

@@RenéSaussy yes! Nacho's bikes!

[@Kromiball]

Nacho's Bites, sounds tasty where is it

[@JovanLemon]

thought i was the only one that thought that edit: yep the description confirms it

[@calebrobinson9409]

Hey Hoog, you can barely hear the voiceovers in the Nebula release with how loud the ambient music gets. It’s a lot better in the KZbin release

[@orenbell1645]

Came here to say the same thing

[@DutchBarracuda]

Yeah, Nebula edition was all over the shop with the audio levels. KZbin is fine though, sounds are excellent!

[@pqrstsma2011]

yup same here; was wondering if it was just me

[@ScottStruzik]

Came here to say the same thing!

[@LanceGliser]

The audio mixing on nebula is very frustrating. I'm so happy to hear the voiceover and coordination, but I can barely hear it.

[@Aman-ti4qu]

I really hope you do a follow up to this going into the details of how it was built after being finalized. And also talk about Seneca village, which was seized through eminent domain.

[@oiartsun]

This. The forced displacement of Seneca Village, Manhattan’s first significant settlement of Black property owners, was a significant event in the creation of Central Park.

[@AuroraM-sf9li]

its a disappointment they didnt even mention anything about seneca village in this whole video. seriously? at one point theyre reading out a document mentioning that the area is largely unsuitable for development, why not mention it there as a correction?

[@Insomniac_tv]

For 1800 standards this is radical eco renewal something most cities today wouldn’t dare try Also John Griscom practically predicted the future knowing the rich would obviously benefit having a large park compared to those in the inner city who wouldn’t be able to afford to go there dude was ahead of his time his idea should’ve been thought more about before approving Central Park

[@realtalk6195]

The Northeast US, especially NYC, was very forward-thinking when it came to infrastructure up until the WW2 era. Then it was downhill. The US government became addicted to overseas meddling, especially because of Neocons and Ziõnists. Then the manufacturing got outsourced too. Now everything is either rundown or a house of cards.

[@calvint226]

What he didn't foresee rapid transit, it isn't hard to get there from anywhere since the subway is so developed. He was right about land development, but having 1 big park had other benefits, it's easier to preserve, it's more iconic, allows more activities. The amount of attention generated more benefits than could ever be predicted.

[@piscesgroovesupreme]

​@calvint226 Yet, only the rich are able to live in proximity. It would've been better to perhaps combine central park with its idea of several more smaller parks disseminated throughout the city. It would certainly look much more natural and much less calculated, overall, than a random, massive expanse of greenery smack in the middle of Manhattan.

[@mosesracal6758]

The small parks may have been better but it wouldnt be as grand as Central Park and it was because Central Park is a New York monument that it can stand the test of time - especially as the city becomes even more denser.

[@miguelorozco6138]

And then came Chicago and democratized the park system. The city has a vast system of parks all around the city and was the first one to establish community centers within.

[@TheManiple]

Sounds like NYC

[@LOLWAAHH]

Only problem was over time it never did reach that level that NYC was able to achieve

[@efigina]

Hoog, I urge you to include *Seneca Village* in your next segment on Central Parks History. They were a community of Black homeowners who were dispossessed of land via eminent domain. Ultimately, they gave up their houses and were not compensated properly. It's a major aspect of Central Park History. Loved the video! Its currently black history month in America and it would be a great opportunity to tell that story.

[@charlotteritchie9969]

Who cares!

[@TalyaMaggidah]

This. Archaeological research has confirmed Seneca Village was a middle class community living in fully furnished houses with expensive goods that they were not given time or resources to move. The contemporary writings that describe it as "shantytowns" are now known to have been assassination pieces written to gain the support of racists who would never dream of actually going and looking at the churches, schools, and homes of their African-American neighbors. There's an abundance of current documentaries about this; it's widely available information. By blithely repeating the propaganda of the time as though it were historical fact... this video kind of shoots its credibility in the foot.

[@willshepard3098]

Truth!!!

[@efigina]

@@TalyaMaggidah thank you for sharing this!!

[@doltobor]

Coming from Brussels, Central Park is like two of our main parks (Parc Josaphat and Bois de La Cambre - wich is not a wood) would have been melted togheter. On my side of the world there's a lot to understand here... I don't know how you do that, but every single of your videos is one beautiful way to turn data into an actual warm story we can feel. Even your voice is a pleasure for the ears. Thx for the fish and plz keep doing the good stuffs :)

[@ameliab.7056]

I absolutely love your videos but as a native Amsterdammer that is obsessed with NYC after visiting, this was the cherry on top for me. I really hope you make more city videos 🙌🏽

[@SeiFa_]

I love your channel and "Not Just Bikes", but there is one thing I love more: You guys working together!

[@davisdelp8131]

Not the orange man he is as bad as r/fcars with their anti car socialist propaganda

[@bestgamting]

@@davisdelp8131 lol? Not just bikes is goated

[@SwordQuake2]

@@davisdelp8131 seethe harder, carbrain

[@Hurricane2k8]

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[@Tegelsten]

@davisdelp8131 You dislike him because he speaks the uncomfortable truths that challenge the status quo.

[@thenicodem9469]

10:24 This may be rhe first time i've ever heard you break "character" in all of your videos. I had to listen to it about 3 times before i caught up to lmao. Great work as always !

[@Revaivel]

Love the voiceovers

[@SushiParty]

And ultimately, John Griscom, was right about the future of the New York and what Central Park would do and become. It's impressive that he could envision what it would be like, back then and also sad that New York did not follow his advice, to go with multiple parks spread throughout the city.

[@robertewalt7789]

But there are many parks, bigger than Central Park, in the other boroughs.

[@Jake_5693]

The ending would have still been the same though. The rich would just be spread out over multiple parks instead of one big central one.

[@wiegraf9009]

@@Jake_5693 Yeah you can see this in other cities

[@NilsNone]

Hahaha that Incogni-ad insert was shameless. Damn good job

[@user-vp1sc7tt4m]

I thoroughly enjoyed your awesome depiction of the story around the creation of Central Park and look forward to more of your work. Thank you, I lived most of my life in New Jersey, worked in Manhattan and always wondered why or how such a beautiful park ended up being part of the city!

[@Moore-z4q]

The child’s favorite Christmas gift was the large box her father’s lawnmower came in.

[@NickMesiano]

NYC should have kept joneswood too. They didn’t realize how big a city could become. The double park plan was thinking centuries in advance, but didn’t register.

[@laithabbas9046]

Videos like these are why no one watches TV anymore - this is produced like a big budget feature film, I love it

[@kylehumber]

Love the vid! The visuals and audio come together so nicely to articulate the story with drama to what could have been a trivial and dry telling of events

[@casssis]

Yesss een nieuwe video! Hier ga ik ff voor zitten

[@charvathos]

I really appreciate the small detail that you export your videos in the correct format. On my ultrawide screen, your work absolutely looks terrifying! Without any black borders. Thank you, that really allows me to enjoy your work at a new level.

[@HistoryOnPaper]

This sounds like the biggest game of city skylines ever. Lucky they found a solution parks are probably the hardest pat of that game.

[@Sventra]

Incredible production as always, I would love to see how you make such incredible videos that really rival the ones made by bigger (in numbers) youtubers. You'll for sure become one of the top dogs once the algorithm recommends you to more people that deserve to see yourcontent!

[@Fanro3]

10:23 "but beekman, pffffuckingg beekman" legendary quote

[@eatbutter]

love the voice overs. they add such a nice touch

[@max00_oo]

The 3d rendering is absolutely incredible and extremely impressive

[@jamesdl5495]

Central Park was modelled of Birkenhead Park on the Wirral, England. Birkenhead Park was the worlds first publicly funded park.

[@SebWilkes]

tis a lovely park too :D

[@eggtarts286]

Very informative! I like how personal and current the opinions of those in the past felt when voiced this way. If I might make a suggestion, you could lower the bass for your music- it made trying to hear what the voices had to say more difficult. I like what you're doing here. Good luck.

[@Jake_5693]

The thing is London has got some huge parks, but it also has smaller ones dotted sound. London is extremely green. Smaller and more spread out arguably would have been better but you’d still end up either way with rich people living round them, they’d just be more spread out.

[@lt2660]

this is ur best video yet production wise and it's extremely exciting to see where you'll head next.

[@a.balazs4413]

Your videos are the definition of excellence quality.

[@ivanbykov8974]

Banger format with historical voiceover!

[@grey521.mp4]

This is ine of the best videos I have ever seen! Well done!

[@ljtinney]

I really enjoyed this video. Thank you for making it.

[@nicktygesen]

Loved this video. As someone in New York it’s cool to learn the history of the city this way

[@d.w.5894]

Even the Ad break is incredible animated. Great work!

[@julians7268]

History is truly a fascinating thing. I hope the video on the parks internals get made.

[@DrLeroyGreen]

Some very forward think though. "Build a giant park/garden before it's too late!" Good advice

[@JB-eg1tb]

This video was very educational. Thanks for everyone's work in it!

[@wmomente]

So glad - the park is there ! You can get away from all the concrete - and enjoy the trees and bridges

[@thesystemera]

Damn good production! And super fascinating..

[@edstercw]

Love the eloquent language in the meetings

[@AGFe19]

Like always- incredible video! Keep up the amazing work.

[@MrTappers13]

the visuals in this are just phenominal, amazing work, so well put together

[@Nora-f6x]

All men who have achieved great things have been great dreamers.

[@realdrysoda]

13:00 britmonkey voice spotted

[@ggoddkkiller1342]

Griscom: Poverty, public health, social equality Beekman: Dude i don't own lands there! Everybody else: Not majestic enough for carriage rides..

[@ondrejpavelka5326]

I really love your storytelling. Just mindblowing.

[@scummymummy2548]

Well done. I expect something even better next time. Really great stuff and very professionally done. Bravo.

[@theothertonydutch]

"I expect something even better next time." doesn't feel like a compliment.

[@StefanWithTrains]

@@theothertonydutch yep, I agree with you.

[@DerKlappspaten]

NotJustBikes doing the voice over, Nice! Those of you who do not know them, look him up!

[@adri9281]

1:05 Love the Notjustbikes cameo

[@Wallyworld30]

My Elementary School was named after William Cullen Bryant. Now I know something that he did. He advocated for Parks.

[@acerniss]

This video had more drama, suspense, and better plot than most movies nowadays.

[@CSBastianyGaumnitz]

"Very peculiar... Damnit."😂 New Sub just for that.

[@GoldenRevenge]

20 contestants, 1 park

[@AntwomPeters]

Born and raised in nyc and I never knew any of central parks history, cool to know all this stuff now

[@VictorbrineSC]

John Griscom was way ahead of his time he KNEW what would happen and it exactly happened like he predicted: super sleek tall penthouse skyscrapers now line the southern edge of Central Park, with rooftops taller than the One World Trade Center's roof, and much higher housing prices on the border of the park. Had Jones Woods existed, there would be even more sleek tall skyscrapers between both parks, undoubtedly changing the face of Manhattan but not really changing the condition of lower class people. Griscom's idea is more similar to what usually happens in most European cities and other American cities like Chicago or Salt Lake City with smaller parks scattered here and about which does provide a more homogenous "aeration" of the city as well as easier access for people to whichever park is closest to them, undoubtedly healthier. Central Park is quite a massive feat and it's always nice to have a large enough green area for people to take a break from the grey urban forests but it's a park that feels very "elitist" and restricted to the wealthier population, even if it's open to everyone and there are still a wide array of people visiting it.

[@williamsullivan3967]

Dang I missed the @bobbybroccoli voiceover. Gonna have to rewatch.

[@shreddedOrphans]

BRO I RECOGNIZED NOT JUST BIKES VOICE

[@Mag-i6e]

Chance is always powerful. Let your hook be always cast; in the pool where you least expect it, there will be a fish.

[@theothertonydutch]

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[@mrnorthz9373]

Lol, i knew it was just another soulless company trying to make money rather than concerned people alarmed by the state of the internet and wanting to make change as soon as i heard "you can get 30% off".

[@toothinm9paste]

they all do

[@moshymosh]

Incogni does more harm to its user than not having Incogni. Don't fall for it. It's a subsidiary of Surf Shark. Do some research.

[@jod125]

Why, what does it do? I presume it collects data all the same, but just curious if the specifics

[@Burgess-b4s]

The wise man does not lay up his own treasures. The more he gives to others, the more he has for his own.

[@1whospeaks]

"Quite deficient in sound reasoning" is a CRAAAZY roast, he really is a New Yorker damn.

[@matthijssmulders3432]

Yooo the voiceovers are amazing!

[@bitjules]

superb storytelling, surprising for the themes it's about, that is, urban planning and park landscaping.

[@cynderblood8726]

It's incredible how you can make city council debates interesting

[@Marguer-z8c]

People grow through experience if they meet life honestly and courageously. This is how character is built.

[@narbehallahverdi2680]

Your videos are pure perfection.

[@zaraka2]

incredibly well researched and edited video! wow

[@tim..indeed]

This brings me back

[@beaudanner]

Loved the animation in this one. Especially the animation on all the quotes 👍

[@chuppl]

Hoog never misses

[@RinkieGeintie]

I really loved your voice over in this video!

[@BrodieTV]

Wow, this is genius. I really really LOVE your channel, KEEP IT UP 👍🔥

[@Gabriel-v1x6i]

Happiness comes when your work and words are of benefit to yourself and others.

[@andymiller1820]

Beakmen must be stopped

[@Elma-e1g]

Always do your best. What you plant now, you will harvest later.

[@synergy021]

I loled when you said "surrounded by the most important city in the world." Like wtf. HaHA, i didn't expect humor so early into the vid.

[@TeaQuoffee]

Beakman is the most persistent mf I've ever learned about

[@piscesgroovesupreme]

Oh, Griscom, how dramatically right you were!!!

[@powerdreng]

You have caught my attention with these videos. I could see in another video that you use Blender to render (at least some) of your scenes. I am really interrested in knowing how you set it all up : ). Keep on going, the videos are fantastic!

[@forest_fire959]

NOT JUST BIKES, LETS GO

[@AntwomPeters]

Born and raised in nyc and its cool to now know the history of the most iconic part of the city

[@niekie1999]

Wake up babe, Hoog just posted a new vid!

[@italianlifestyle7911]

One of the most impressive projects of all time💚

[@Playerone1287]

Subbed another city planning channel in last 10 days

[@466rudy6]

Wow it takes up more space than I thought

[@cliffgeo]

level of production>>

[@tjnholmes]

What a fantastic vid.

[@MacrobianNomad]

Great video! Also a battle of how to take land from the poor and marginalised ensued, like the fate of Seneca Village.