Ron Gilbert - Maniac Mansion postmortem

[@PKpaula425]

Ron Gilbert has made some of my favorite games of all time, and Maniac Mansion is DEFINITELY up there. Hats off to you, Ron!

[@furryfoolurmine]

This game was ahead of it's time.

[@farseerflore9512]

No it wasn't, we don't have time travel yet.

[@bajan13ken]

Or home nuclear reactors, Thorium not withstanding.

[@DragonPop64]

Farseer Flore Don't be a tuna head

[@jonsarahlindsey4469]

Not really ahead, it just redefined what a game could do.

[@vladtepes7539]

as much as i love the game, there is that weird spot when things that - very correctly stated - *were* ahead of their time were surpassed some years ago. and then again - were they? its such a switch in mentality, that makes a better and worse impossible. MM is a much better adventure than COD.

[@Hellfireknightmare]

Ron Gilbert is a God. I love him so much

[@TheCrimsonMoogle]

I fell in love with this on the NES. I own it complete in box. I watched the show a bit here or there. But this game is a core part of me.

[@jazzmanjazzman4722]

I LOVE THIS. AS A 5 YEAR OLD THIS WAS MY FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH NES GAMES AND HORROR IN GENERAL. THANK YOU. THIS IMPACTED MY CHILDHOOD.

[@StFrancis26]

I got this game for my birthday in kindergarten. Was the best

[@jarecki83]

That's some really great, valuable material. Times were so different way back then.

[@SpiffyDIUM]

The cameraman here has an uncanny ability to pan away from Ron's slideshow just before the audience laughs at some visual joke. Panning away from it AT ALL was a weird, weird decision.

[@t0xcn253]

Yeah that really irked me like was he paying attention? Did he think they must be laughing at the dude and I should show him now?

[@MrFarnanonical]

He gave almost the exact same speech at GDC and there isn't any weird panning goingon, you can watch it on the GDC youtube channel. Yeah yeah, 8 years late but if anyone else is interested.

[@DenkyManner]

@@MrFarnanonical Thanks!

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

All of these lecture-type videos should use two cameras: One on the speaker that doesn't move and the other that is on the slide screen or whatever is temporarily being brought into focus. If they only have one camera (Shame on you! This is the 21st century!) then just frame it so that the screen and the speaker are in the frame.

[@PilotFlight2Mars]

​@@MrFarnanonical 11 years now, and still a helpful comment.

[@LifeMattersChannel]

My life achievement is to have finished this game with multiple endings as a little kid with no internet /nintendo power and a very basic understanding of English... *feelsgoodman*

[@Wavybeing]

how the fuck could u find out that u need the highscore from that meteor game? like that was unfair af tbh :/

[@rigafraction1653]

Fred played the game in a cut scene... I'm the only one of my friends to beat the game because I was the only one that ever found the card key under the hamster... go figure

[@gbrown932]

Prod. Wavybeing it's kind of hinted at when u see the cut scene of Dr Fred playing it. That's how I figured it out

[@carlitoz450]

one of the best memories of my childhood. Zak McKraken too

[@colorschan]

Why would you want to zoom in on the speaker if he is showing slides and talking about them.

[@trumad]

From what I can tell from watching the first 2 minutes of both videos, the GDC vault talk seems to be exactly the same. The slides and the video are separated on the GDC vault, so you can make the slides as big as you want, regardless of what the camera operator does :) Just google Maniac Mansion Postermortem GDC vault.

[@VibeMusicAiRecords]

dude THANK YOU!!! This video is so much better

[@bordakito1773]

Why i didn't read the comments first...

[@BonzaiBillie1]

First game that I ever fell in love with. I was 8. And my Dad and I beat it on NES. The first cut's the deepest. Thank you Ron Gilbert. Thank you.

[@joelawson33]

That was great. This has always been my favorite game of all-time. It's a mix of horror, comedy and rock 'n roll - my 3 favorite things. And he was right: You've just gotta do stuff and stop thinking!

[@kwattasse1574]

Trop bien, j y ai joué quand j étais petite dans les années 90 sur Nintendo et ce jeu m avait marquée tant il était différent des autres jeux de l époque sur même console. J adorais les personnes et l ambiance bizarre. Du coup je squate du ron Gilbert sur Androïd. Merci gars, trop bien

[@eradeziel]

Used to absolutely love this game!

[@dougthemoleman]

24:38 nurse-edan? I wonder if that would break the cutscene...

[@thuaners]

what a great talk! i loved maniac mansion as a kid! it was one of my fav c64 games! very insightful talk!

[@jefferybishop4291]

need a remake

[@vulturius7664]

Finished maniac mansion with my 10-year old daughter the last 2 days and we had a great time together :-)

[@vulturius7664]

Razor & Syd :-)

[@15subscriberabezvidea68]

PC RetroGamer Its a nice Game i also played it when i was 8-9 Years old it was a cool game i played it with my Father.

[@H2Obsession]

I remember me and my friends would play this game together... each of us would choose one of the 3 characters and take turns as each "actor" got the focus... cooperative multiplay! Based on this video/postmortem, this was never intended by the designers, but it was fun times for us!

[@brainstar64]

Now this is something. Information on a classic.

[@thrasher305]

Use to stay up all night on a Saturday and play Maniac Mansion as a 9 year old. I play it today as a 26 year old and wondered how I ever got so far in the game lol this game is a true classic.

[@theenglishbutterfify]

+Thrasher305 I just watched the video about all the different ways you can die... I still didnt know about some of these ways! I need to hook up my NES and play again!!!! This game truly is an incredible classic!

[@thrasher305]

+Jennifer Moulthrop (TheEnglishButterfly) I played the pc version that was included inside the Day Of the Tentacle game. it was a game inside the game that you play in weird Eds computer. those were the good old days.

[@theenglishbutterfify]

I haven't played Day of the Tentacle yet (I know... I should be whipped and tarred and feathered for that!). I've played Maniac Mansion on the comp but I dunno... I think I almost prefer the NES way to play! I have an 11 (almost 12) year old... I should hook up the NES and be all "Have at it. Play. See what you can figure out and DONT LOOK IT UP ONLINE! We didnt have that luxury... neither can you!" lolol

[@thrasher305]

+Jennifer Moulthrop (TheEnglishButterfly) My two year old only plays nes (super mario, contra, metroid, etc) and stays away from ipads so hes learning pretty well haha but I'd stay away from the NES maniac mansion all together (even though I have it). Check out Maniac Mansion Enhanced version or even the Deluxe fan made version. Definitely worth a try and just easier to play. NES gameplay always felt so tedious to me with the control. Btw no matter how old you are now PLAY DAY OF THE TENTACLE!

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

"Btw no matter how old you are now PLAY DAY OF THE TENTACLE!" Lol, 40, and replaying it after I don't know, 15-20 odd years? So right now I've gotten myself stuck in Thimbleweed Park, Day of the Tentacle (it's been a while) and Maniac Mansion (inside DoTT) all at once. ;) And totally agree with you there... Whenever I think of Point n' Click adventures, it's DoTT, Discworld, Sam & Max Hit the Road and Simon the Sorcerer. More or less in that order.

[@JoieeBirch]

great insight into one of my all time fave games :]

[@rigafraction1653]

Still my favourite game of all-time, I fiended on this, DOTT, Indiana Jones (Last Crusade and Fate of Atlantis), Monkey Island (1,2 & 3), LOOM etc... lately found the Cave, Grim Fandango etc as well.... It's almost a shame, the internet wrecked these games because no one has an attention span anymore so they just look up the solutions. It was great in HS with my friends and I all playing MM separately and comparing notes to see how far each other had gotten.

About the attention span: In The Return to Monekey island (2022) you can actually get a book that will give you from clues to exact solution to the puzzles. Heaven or hell?

[@opo3628]

As a little kid I *always* wanted to play this game because it looked so cool, but sadly I never got a chance to.

[@ACOE]

My right ear loved this video.

[@georgelouis6515]

My mom rented this for Nintendo when I was a kid. I got the car to blast off without knowing what I did. Also the first computer I ever owned had this game on it and I couldn't figure out how to get upstairs in it. This game is a retro piece of my childhood!

[@polkadechutos5610]

To get upstairs, i guess you are mentioning the door which was a antihacking protection for the game

[@karlranseier2830]

One of my heros.

[@AnthonyCassidy50]

@28:30 I haven't played maniac mansion since it was bundled inside DOTT ..but if you have two kids in the dungeon, can't you have one of them push the loose brick, and the other escape, up the stairs to open the front door?

[@thrasher305]

yup. I guess he forgot about the loose brick trick.

[@LilAdamsVideos]

I think the loose brick may of only been in the nes version, which came out 3 years later than the originals

[@AmbiguouslyAnonymous]

No, the loose brick was in the original. I know because I played it right after I watched this video. I think he just forgot about the brick.

[@TschimmiCash]

Thank you for sharing this! .. I just wished the camera person would have been replaced by a tripod...

[@foch41]

10:00 EXACTLY! That happened A LOT!

[@devilaverage6718]

What an absolute Legend.

[@brandonortiz6466]

Best games of the 1980's: Maniac Mansion, Telengard, and Modem Wars. All were developed by masters of the time.

[@Rockmonix]

@2:45 anyone know what that 3D remake is? Can't find anything online about it. I'm assuming it was cancelled

[@MM-ig1iv]

It's very accurate to the original too.. just updated.. and has voice overs.

[@samghost13]

thx4upload

[@DeconvertedMan]

The sequel was so good. I remember the flushing something down a tolet to go though time or whtever... Good times! :D

[@joellarsson9486]

There was a second one?

[@SpiritRoot]

@@joellarsson9486 Day of the Tentacle

[@joellarsson9486]

@@SpiritRoot wow I missed that one!

[@FTropper]

Worst camera ever. If I wanna see how he looks I google a picture of him!

[@DeadmanRetro]

What a great video

[@bierundkippen720]

There are quite some mistakes he makes. First, the bitmap screen of the C64 is 8k, not 16k. Second, sprites aren't 24x24 but 24x21 pixels. And third, in the C64 version of Maniac Mansion the clock stands still. You just hear it ticking while the pendulum remains at its place. That might be different on other platforms, though. Also most of the pictures he shows aren't from the C64 game.

[@johnnyw525]

I wonder if he corrected these when he gave the talk at GDC

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

C64 sprites are 24 bits by 21 bits (not 24), or 3 bytes by 21. This seems odd until you realize that 3 bytes times 21 is 63 bytes, which makes it easy to fit the sprite data on a 64 bytes boundary in memory.

[@roblesi]

This is by far one of my favorite games. What a game changer for videogames. BTW there is a bug in the cut-scene command at time 25:01 where the actor "nurse-edna" is spelled "nurse-edan". This would've crashed the game? :P

[@foch41]

A Maniac Mansion 3 game today would be amazing!

[@kke]

Not quite Maniac Mansion 3, but close, "Thimbleweed Park" by this very same man is scheduled to be released this month.

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

4 months later, and while the game ain't perfect, I'm having a lot of fun with it...

[@titusmccarthy]

@@EvenTheDogAgrees Check out Meteor Mess.

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

@@titusmccarthy yeah, I know it. But tx for the suggestion. 🙂

[@Mau1wurf1977]

Give that man some water!

[@SebastianPerezG]

Loom was a AMAZING game !!!!

[@zeepeend]

Is having 1 characters standing outside, with the front door closed, without the key, while having 2 buddies in the dungeon really a dead end? Can't you just push the brick, release one buddy from the dungeon who is then able to open the front door?

[@DrMcFly28]

C64 Maniac Mansion was the first adventure game I ever played, but I must say that - unlike the latter LucasArts adventures which I was nuts about - I never really cared for it. In retrospect it was the numerous dead ends that probably made it insanely frustrating for me, although back then I didn't even recognize them as such. I think I thought the game had no actual solution, I treated it as sort of a "mad scientist mansion sandbox" in which you walked around a bit and then either got captured and/or killed, or you ran out of things to do. I did murder that hamster numerous times though.

[@bierundkippen720]

And then these super long losing times...

[@GeomancerHT]

How long did the german efficiency experts took to deliver some water?

[@InternetLad]

Forgot how KZbin used to do that "one ear" thing.

[@DeconvertedMan]

Loom! :D so great!!

[@loraleijessick9581]

Christ. After the first "SO here are the Lucas Mansion rooms...." and the cameraman zoomed *away* from the screen I thought "Yeah, may give this a pass even though I have loved reading Gilbert's articles about Maniac Mansion. Gave t more time, figured it was a fluke, and then "And the map was just a unintelligible mess!" and three seconds later the shit cameraman strikes again. At 13:16 and gonna try to finish it but seriously, the dude trying to use the camera properly reminds me of trying to use the telescope in Maniac Mansion.

[@jonsarahlindsey4469]

28:31 He's wrong. If you have two kids in the dungeon, you have one push the hidden brick, the other go up the stairs and open the front door. Happened to me a lot back in the 80's when it first came out. OR if Ed's package has not come yet, you can ring the doorbell and let Ed catch you, and then do the above mentioned escape from the dungeon.

[@zeepeend]

I think he described it incorrectly. He probably meant if 1 kid, with the front door key, is thrown into the dungeon while the 2 others are still outside and the front door is closed, that you're screwed.

[@desoft8b]

¿Podría alguien subtitular esto?

[@Lofote]

He is wrong with one thing: A Bitmap on the C64 fullscreen does not take 16kB, but 8kB+1kB color=9kB. However, since the graphic Portion is not fullscreen, it would take even less, I would guess around 5-6kB+1kB color.

[@Diamnds10]

So Ron Gilbert coined the term "cutscene", huh? You learn something new every day.

[@H2Obsession]

That's an extremely dubious statement (by the speaker), but I didn't hear the term applied to video games until the mid '90s and never heard of it (applied to video games) before Maniac Mansion... So maybe??

[@jakubkrcma]

17:50 - The C64 actually only had 24x21-pixel HW sprites.

[@jakubkrcma]

1xWertzui No, he just made a mistake in his speech. Many people "remember" 24x24, because it sounds much more logical than the actual 24x21.

[@MegatronSmurf]

RELEASE A LUCAS ARTS MEGA PACK FOR SWITCH!

[@scknight]

Who is the camera guy who keeps zooming in. We want to see the slides!

[@k1ngTony]

I would love to see those tools in action ! :D

[@vladtepes7539]

man is a genius. no debate. don't mean the enormous iq that makes his head all bulky, which may-be present, but the-fact he invented point click adventuring more less sole-nerdy.

[@johnnythm777]

43:24! The Cave! He's talking about The Cave!

[@Madkevin88]

I love maniac mansion, Usually old people say this but they just din't make games like they used to, or maybe I am just getting old!

[@6688ragnar]

***** there are quite a bit that come out every year now that are pretty good, free and pay... adventuregamers.com has tons of info and reviews them, its actually surprising how many quality adventure games have came out over the last 5 years or so. Look up Heroines quest! IT just came out for FREE and is a love letter to quest for glory but actually better, pretty amazing title....

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

Kara G: True, but part of that is for the best. Don't get me wrong; I loved my games back then, and still think they're great. However, after MM, Ron Gilbert wrote this whole article about how Adventure Games sucked, and in it he layed out a couple of rules on how to improve them. Some of those rules were: no deaths, don't allow characters to perform actions which make the game unwinnable, and certainly don't allow the latter without making it obvious to the gamer that their game is ruined. Those are the main rules I judge adventure games by, and he broke all of them in Maniac Mansion on multiple occasions. Anyway, they recently did make a game like that again, except this time adhering to the Gilbert rules that shall not be broken. It's called Thimbleweed Park. You probably heard of it already, and might even have finished it by now. But if not, give it a try. It's not half bad.

[@bierundkippen720]

This guy is a legend. I wonder why they had so little time for the audience to ask questions?

[@marcorosenberg5933]

There was a tight schedule of talks that day.

[@brandonortiz6466]

Is the woman who inspired Razor on Facebook? It would be cool to see the person who inspired that character.

[@mbhaskins]

Maniac Mansion was a pioneer of cut scenes in video games, but Karateka was the first.

[@NastyNatey]

Truly the game designers of today stand on the shoulders of giants.. Ron Gilbert, Jordan Mechner, and John Carmack

[@H2Obsession]

Thanks, I forgot about Karateka... simple but fun! Yes it had some cut scenes, but for Maniac Mansion it was a defining element: hard to imagine playing MM without them... With Karateka the scenes were mostly (all?) "bonus" material, nice but not essential.

[@brandonortiz6466]

Maniac Mansion's design of allowing you to fail really screwed with kid's heads. I remember spending DAYS on the game not knowing I basically fucked myself over. We didn't have the internet or even word-of-mouth to know that we were up shit creek without a paddle.

[@AtheistBelgium]

'Use hamster in microwave' I was a sick kid at the time ...

[@philstilcke3855]

It wasn't sick, it was just curious ... At least, that was my apology at this time ...😆😉

[@nitro2680]

Is this video anywhere available in HD?

[@devnull73]

Sprites are 24x21 Ron :)

[@MrFwibbles]

Having 2 kids in the dungeon isn't a game ender. There's the loose brick you can use to get one of them out.

[@emhemhemh]

He ment: 2 kids outside, third in jail with house key. No rusty Jail key. it could happen at the start of the game, if Edna gets you in the kitchen. (and you locked the door)

[@Fuzy2K]

6:42 -- Heh, that reminds me of Schoolhouse Rock. :P

[@Marius-vw9hp]

Why cant the camera guys just keep the frame so you can see both the talker AND the screen, and just leave it alone without doing all his fancy zooming and camera guy stuff? We dont need close up on the guy talking we want to see his references on the screen. Just make sure its recording and drink some coffee.

[@bajan13ken]

the C64 sprites were only 24 wide by 21 tall, 3 bytes across, 21 lines, for 63 bytes in all, spaced out on 64 byte boundaries. Yeah, I wasted my youth learning that low level stuff, I guess ;)

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

I envy you. Back then, my family was so poor I had to build my own Donkey Kong game out of cardboard, toothpicks, and empty toilet rolls for the barrels. Also had to dig up a new Mario every time Mom made mashed potatoes. ;)

[@bierundkippen720]

@@EvenTheDogAgrees That's sad, Juan. Hope you are in a better situation today.

[@aaaab384]

I guess it was too hard to hire a cameraman who ACTUALLY CARED about what the speaker was saying and ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD it, so that he wouldn't zoom on the speaker's face right when he was showing something interesting on the screen. It doesn't even take a genius or a person at all. Just place a static camera on a stick and you'd be doing a better job than this.

[@dougthemoleman]

Wow. The woman who got offended at the word "lust" should never allow her children to read the bible. Or anything else for that matter.

[@0x777]

Ez 23:20!

[@theguardian8317]

yeah. religious people are weird

[@bierundkippen720]

Nowadays this word on the box would provoke a shitstorm on Facebook.

[@rigafraction1653]

Among deadends, he left out the earliest... if you don't pick Bernard for your team, you're pretty screwed since he's the only one that could use the tools to fix anything (wires, phones etc)

[@qmguru4138]

Jeff can fix the phone, too.

[@DavidRomigJr]

Anyone can fix the wires. Bernard and Jeff can fix the phone. I think those were the only uses for the tools.

[@Fuzy2K]

He pronounced Mark Eteer wrong. :P

[@PKpaula425]

Uh... He made the game, i would think he would know how to pronounce the name of a character HE created.

[@cdpxe]

Aw. Come on. You can get Ron Gilbert on stage but you cannot make a proper audio recording? Nevertheless, nice to have this on YT.

[@devnull73]

bitmap is 8k Ron.

[@lakecityransom]

*zoom* hey guys, camera man is still here, just fyi. *zooooooooom*

[@philipschroeder5427]

Oh yes, Space Craft 1-3 totally what I experienced. "Pick flower" "I don't understand flower!", "Use pipe on machine" "What is a pipe?"

[@titusmccarthy]

Space Quest?

[@seamonkeys12y]

Didn't Ron make Zork?

[@cybercop0083]

Zork McKrorken?

[@LasseHuhtala]

Humongous what?

[@mellowgeekstudio]

Is this sexual harassment?!

[@RainbowEssence-c3w]

"Postmortem"? Did somebody die? Oh god, I hope not! If so then who? That aside though, fascinating video and really gives you a look into the gaming industry and it's a good lesson on writing and storytelling in general, particularly the whole bit about saying "shit head" lol. "Tuna head" is funnier imo because it's not something you hear every day like "shit head" and it brings some absurd imagery to mind and also it just sounds funny, the word "tuna" lol. It just goes to show that you don't always need to swear to be funny. And, sometimes, great ideas and elements of games, movies, books, etc. come about BECAUSE of limitations that force the creators to think outside the box. Actually, I would say this is often the case, especially for myself! Having total freedom with no technical or creative limitations can be boring and sometimes actually a disadvantage. It's something I kind of realized WHILE playing a video game ironically. The original Scribblenauts was a lot of fun and, despite the tagline, the only limit was NOT your imagination. Don't get me wrong it had lots of options and opportunities to get creative but it was still limited. Only so many words/objects could be crammed in there. This forced me to think outside the box to solve some puzzles and while it was frustrating sometimes it was also a lot of fun! When Super Scribblenauts came out I was, pardon the pun, super excited because of the inclusion of adjectives and how much MORE creativity and freedom the game would have! But I found out then that having more options isn't always a good thing. It was still fun of course, don't get me wrong, and I still think it's a good game. I'm not criticizing the game, it's my own fault for being lazy lol, but with the inclusion of adjectives I didn't really have to think outside the box as much. So I was able to solve puzzles in more mundane, obvious ways and it was boring. But again, that's more on me than the devs lol. Still, it kind of taught me a lesson about how sometimes having limits can SPARK creativity rather than kill it. Either way, thanks for posting this video and thank you to Rob Gilbert for sharing his wisdom and experience! And thank you, of course, to all the developers, programmers, and staff that made these beloved games possible!

[@Rockmonix]

I think Postmortem is just implying that Maniac Mansion itself is dead sadly. Given that Disney has it now it's incredibly unlikely we'll ever see it again

[@RainbowEssence-c3w]

@@Rockmonix Oh, well I'm glad nobody died at least, thank you for telling me.

[@anintatej]

Damn, thanks for the spoiler, I'm just playing this game:)

[@UCCi6g4buFK8dVtAxbFYEKzA]

32:55 that pig sound from the audience

[@stacypare7955]

Still have my original copy...still nuke the kids hamster everytime i play 😬

[@benfah204]

Comments: 90% - DAT STOOPID CAMERAMAN 10% - others

[@Hellwyck]

*nurse edan*

[@devnull73]

a disk side holds 170KB Ron ;)

[@H2Obsession]

A C64 (C1541) disk side has theoretical maximum of 166KB for user files (664 blocks free after format). However the DOS uses 2 bytes per block which means a maximum data size of 164.703125 KB if everything was in a single file. Each standard (PRG) file also uses an extra 2 bytes, so it will be less because Maniac Mansion consists of more than 0 files.

[@MrFluidsworld]

ein absolut unfähiger Kameramann.... Grumpf!

[@suejak1]

I love how obvious the Token Black Guy is in Maniac Mansion. Ron can't even hide it -- "he's the photographer," he says, offering no other commentary despite giving a bio for every other character. 80s progressivism at its best.

[@GregHuffman1987]

Race-bait somewhere else please.

[@GregHuffman1987]

TurboCMinusMinus All we have is Maniac Mansion, Eiffel 65, and the Blue Man Group.

[@suejak1]

Greg Huffman Lol, I didn't realize your comment took off to 10 votes. It's weird because it just seems so hamfisted and obvious; it's hardly race-baiting so much as it is pointing out what everyone has noticed.

[@GregHuffman1987]

suejak1 No doubt that he is a token character, that's not the point. The point is that creators of various media are forced to shoe-horn in a rainbow cast, and then pilloried when the characters are stereotypical or not fully fleshed out. You can make someone include a character, but you can't force him to write that character well. But aside from all that, I read your comment in the context of today's fad of finding everything offensive. If you were simply joking about the character rather than making a fuss, then I really don't mind.

[@suejak1]

Greg Huffman Oh, I'm not offended. I just thought it was funny.

[@kranzky]

so much drinking!

[@Dylan_thebrand_slayer_Mulveiny]

While an enjoyable video, my takeaways from this are: 1) As a coder myself, I could totally relate when he talked about how he felt like the game was a mess and he was unsure if they were wasting their time on what they thought would be a pile of dog shit. 2) This guy is incredible full of himself. 3) They made the SCUMM engine while under employment with Lucas arts. According to work for hire laws, the engine would become the property of Lucas arts. By using it outside the company, they have committed IP theft and should be sued into the ground.

[@furqueue9590]

No offence, but it was shit. It wasn't particularly advanced, even for 1987. You didn't need to do a talk for this.

[@bierundkippen720]

Offen *s* e

[@Clystron426]

@Fur Queue - Are you out of your freakin' mind?

[@MM-ig1iv]

"He puts up a brick!".... "No good!"