GO AROUND! An airline maneuver that we seldom fly as practiced. Some fun examples of go arounds.

[@invertedflights]

My lessons were out of Camarillo and Oxnard, I don't remember what phase of my flight training, but my instructor took me down that corridor that's over the beach past LAX. I'll tell you it's incredible to look out your left window and see a 747 that appears to be climbing right at you. Angle of attack and all that. Although it's not exactly true, as a young student, biting the seat cushion, I have this memory of looking out my left window and seeing the tailfin, and looking out my right in window and seeing the top of the nose. Now, obviously it was not quite as simultaneous as my memory would suggest, but as a student figuring out what's going on, that's exactly how I remember it. In any case they to climb goddamn close and beneath you. My instructor insisted that I do the radio which I couldn't understand a damn thing they were saying. I was so far behind the airplane I might as well been a beam Camarillo tower. On my way back from Long Beach to Oxnard, it was nighttime. That was my first experience being over a big city at night time. As we passed up the same corridor and LAX off my right wing, my instructor took the airplane and did a roll, yeah the 152, at night, in the LAX corridor. Later on in my progression as I became a pilot, I would often take people through these corridors, especially girls. Busy radio traffic, the big airport, the ocean, the sunset.. The FBO nicknamed me the one trick pony which later became the one trick corridor. It was impressive if the timing was right and let's just say I completely forgot to close my flight plan on more than one occasion. Wink, wink nod, nod.

[@ronrogers]

Great story!!

[@wiljam1968]

I’m just over the hill to the north from Camarillo!

[@invertedflights]

@@wiljam1968 nice

[@unnes]

Thanks for your stories as always Ron. I'm an IT desk jockey but your stories of aviation always stir my childhood enthusiasm for flight. It's much appreciated!

[@ronrogers]

Very welcome

[@yanniskouretas8688]

I did my PPL at LGIR - an international airport with plenty of traffic - back in 2004 . I went solo at July , in the middle of the tourist season and in an airport with one of the highest traffic in EU at that time .... I clearly remember that in my stress (plus the heat) I was sweating buckets and in trying to open a bit more the air vent of my cessna it fell of its socket in my hand ! But I digress ! I took off between an Olympic B734 and a Saudi MD80 , did my circuit and landed just over the numbers and vacating in the first available having another jetliner in sequence (with able spacing though) - I didn't want to be yelled at from the tower in my first solo for being the reason of a go around .... Good times ! In Greece there is a tradition of receiving either a slap on the back neck or a bucket of cold water after first solo ... and boy did I need that bucket !

[@ronrogers]

Cool story! Thanks for sharing!

[@AutonomousNavigator]

I remember my first Go Around. It was on the practical test.

[@stephenhoda3362]

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to you & yours Ron!

[@ronrogers]

Same to you!

[@jamesb777driver]

Great video Ron, thanks!

[@ronrogers]

Glad you liked it!

[@rlsmith6904]

Thanks again. Happy Holidays.

[@ronrogers]

Happy holidays to you as well.

[@daverooneyca]

Heh... I had to do a go around on my first solo due to a runway incursion! It all worked out and I landed without any problems the second time. The tower had been told that it was my first solo and congratulated me, and I thanked them for "spicing it up a little" 😀

[@DaleShipsIt]

Merry Christmas to you and yours Ron.

[@ronrogers]

Same to you!

[@benwatkins7600]

Good episode! Have a good Christmas Ron.

[@ronrogers]

Have a good Christmas also!

[@alikartal8426]

Wow great, I flew the corridor right on top of LAX several times during my CPL training, man was it crowded.

[@joefin5900]

Approaching LGA runway 22 on an Air Canada flight from Toronto one clear afternoon in the '90s, and Ive got a window seat on the starboard side, ahead of the wing. Stable approach and I hear the engines spool up and the Captain gets on the speaker and says" We will be going around as there is traffic a bit too close on the intersecting runway". I'm looking down and see a jet pass beneath us on runway 31 heading west as we climb away. No big deal because most flight crews are well trained and do a great job keeping the rivets flying in formation. When you are gathered together with family and friends this holiday, think of all of those folks flying their precious cargo, and avoiding Santa because he doesn't have ACAS! Merry Christmas to all of you.

[@ronrogers]

Merry Christmas to you as well.

[@mrkc10]

Good stuff Ron 🫡

[@ronrogers]

Thanks

[@silverdrillpickle7596]

Happy Holidays, Ron! So happy to have found your channel this year!! 🫡

[@ronrogers]

Happy holidays! And thanks for viewing!

[@browntrout1156]

As a passenger I had a go around during one of those violent summer storms. The kids on the plane thought it was lots of fun. Adults not so, ha ha. Thing I was worried about was being diverted, i just wanted to go home. Merry Christmas Ron and your family.

[@bobcfi1306]

Interesting and informative. Merry Christmas

[@ronrogers]

Same to you!

[@eddieraffs5909]

My first go around was as a passenger in a Pan Am B-707 going into Shannon Ireland, May 1970. My last was as a passenger was in a United B-757 going into Mccarran, Las Vegas July 2011.

[@MrRipper1956]

Greetings Ron and Merry Christmas. You seem to bring up some very good topics and memories. I remember at first at the airlines they made it seem so complicated. Especially compared to the F4 and the t38 go-arounds. I'm not sure what clicked but after that it was never an event for me. I did not have an appreciation for it until going back at recurrent seeing my captains and later FOs really try to screw it up. After my retirement in 2020. I taught at Southwest and Delta in the simulators and I can see why it never really clicked. That was my mission, was to make it second nature. Never had a student with a problem after I got a hold of him and taught them the reasoning on the sequence. Rip

[@ronrogers]

Merry Christmas!

[@mamulcahy]

When you hit the TOGA button, do you have significant pitch changes to make?

[@ronrogers]

Yes

[@wiljam1968]

Back in my Lear 25 days a sim instructor once told me if he wanted to bust a pilot all he needed to do was give them a two engined go-around. At 2,000lbs of fuel that thing would climb at well over 6,000fpm.

[@Ech7777]

I flew my “little plane” into a major hub on an ifr day. My slow speed didn’t jive with the other arrivals. The a320 behind me got to fly the missed!

[@georgew.5639]

You picked a fine time to leave me loose wheel! 🛞 😊

[@ronrogers]

Never a dull moment in aviation!

[@mytech6779]

My first real go-around was on my second solo flight, a herd of elk moved across the runway about when I was turning base to final (non-towered airport), a low pass cleared enough of them to land but taxi still had a few. Then just 2 flights later (dual instruction) I was doing my first towered airport operations and it was my first night flight, a small plane entered the runway while I was on short final about 100-200agl and they only had their wing tip strobes on so kind of looked like runway end identifier lights. I had just said "I think that's a plane on the runway" when tower said go-around in a rather stressed tone.

[@ronrogers]

Very good for you that you were very observant! Cannot over stress that!!

[@gzk6nk]

We've just had a series of intense lows (one of them a named storm) crossing UK off the Atlantic which has led to some interesting go-arounds at UK airports. Some I watched at Manchester (my local airport) on a KZbin channel called 'Airliners Live' were most entertaining! The winds were out of the north west at 20 gusting 38 knots and from that direction they blow over the terminal buildings upwind of the 23R threshold, so almost a 90 degree cross wind creating a lot of turbulent air in the last 100 feet or so of the approach. All the go-arounds were from very low level - just a few feet above the runway, and most were following obvious wild gyrations in the low level turbulence and sheer, but a few were after excessive float just above the runway after rounding out (carrying extra speed for the sheer and the gusts?). One of them maybe should have been a go-around but wasn't! This aircraft (an A320 I think) was caught by a particularly violent bit of rough air just before it touched down. It rolled rapidly right, and I was convinced it'd either immediately go around or else the right wingtip would strike the runway. Neither happened. The wing tip didn't quite reach the ground (but came VERY close) and having got the wings-level, the aeroplane touched down and rolled out OK. Vince C

[@Sailingengineer74]

Good entertaining pro stories😅

[@ronrogers]

Thanks!

[@georgew.5639]

The best go around I have experienced was in a Piper Cherokee 6. I was a passenger in the right seat. Just before touchdown my pilot friend decided that things weren’t quite comfortable and he decided to do the go around. The main landing gear actually made contact with the runway as we accelerated away. A touch and go as it turned out. 🛫😊

[@C420sailor]

And with the advent of complicated RNAV approaches, the go around procedures become FAR more complicated. Pressing the TO/GA buttons in many airliners will send you climbing on present heading, so going around from low altitude on an RF leg can get spicy real fast, as the procedures vary between each and every approach. I just end up disconnecting everything and hand flying it, as it’s generally much simpler than the button pushing and knob twisting required, but many of the children of the magenta line are resistant to turning the autopilot off, and it gets ugly fast…..

[@ronrogers]

Vert true!

[@47colton]

Merry Christmas! Nearing the end of a long career and Ive seen the good, the bad, and the ugly in go arounds. One I will always remember was going into Albany, Ny in a 737. The north/ south runway was closed and we had to fly a non precision approach landing to the west. The wind was strong out of the south at the demonstrated crosswind limit and the turbulence flying the approach was awful. Lots of up and down, 0 G stuff. Just as I rounded for the flare and it felt like a bus hit us and pushed us to the point that we were slipped past the right edge of the runway, so away we go back around to try again. Second try landed. Counted 13 barf bags. Question for you. Years ago we flew the profile you describe. Goin around, flapsxx, check thrust, pos rate gear up,set MAP altitude. Flew target speed to alt aquire, then accel, clean up. Then someone said lets make the GA profile as close to the take off profile as we can so now we accelerate at 800agl and clean up. As an LCA(P) what were your thought about that change. I feel like the old profile was better since basically after the gear up call you didnt do anything until Alt aqr, you were at reduced airspeed, and most major airports wont let you go to CMS anyway. I see way more botched GAs in the sim now than I did then.

[@ronrogers]

My understand was that the old profile was due to poor aircraft performance and the requirement to meet TERPS criteria on the go around. Later aircraft performance, and possibly approach design was such that the more "gentle" go around or missed approach met the criteria. The old type of go around procedure could lead to more altitude overshoots due to the higher rate of climb with the now more common two engine aircraft. Any go around is a difficult maneuver, especially if hand flown, and pilots who now who tend to push buttons more than hand fly have difficulty. Probably take some flack for that comment!

[@47colton]

@ronrogers Thanks for the insight. I hadnt heard about the Terps issue... and I know there is evidence of a few dangerously flown missed approahes maybe due to poor scan.

[@lakewoodil]

LHR to ORD on a BA 747 and on final at ORD and no more than 100" all four came alive and actually scared me. First time ever in an airplane. I have been thru dozens of touch and goes in the military but I was on the top deck and not expecting the maneuver. Are you able to forewarn the cabin or are you to busy? The BA crew came on after the fact and explained there had been traffic. As always, enjoy your videos and professional commentary.

[@ronrogers]

GO arounds usually come with little or no warning. You may see the situation developing where you anticipate a go around (spacing on the proceeding aircraft is just not there), but you are in too critical of a phase of flight to make any announcements, usually.

[@lakewoodil]

@@ronrogers Thanks. Merry Christmas to you and family.

[@lakewoodil]

Knowing the ORD-OGG enroute altitude and temp. what would the two be when you reached cruise?

[@gandalf87264]

Just thinking, what would be a funny way to explain the reason for a go around: Ladies and gentlemen, we have decided to go around because he aircraft that landed in front of us apparently blew a tire on the runway. We didn't want to blow the rest of them for him. 😛

[@nomdeplume3711]

. . . and SECOND prize is TWO weeks in Cleveland, Ohio! . . . ;^)

[@ronrogers]

Oh wow!

[@ShadesOClarity]

Sometimes you just have to have a TOGA party. Have a good Christmas, Ron. When I visited California we landed 24R. I left to come home from John Wayne Airport and for the life of me I can't remember why. My cousin now goes to LAX and from there he flies domestically. Jet Blue is no longer in Charlotte - he lives in nearby Mooresville. I might try to hook up with him to get back to L.A. next year. Have you ever done a back course ILS into LAX?

[@ronrogers]

Merry Christmas! No, have never done a back course into LAX. They have ILS both directions.

[@invertedflights]

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[@ShadesOClarity]

@@ronrogers My cousin hasn't either. He did it in the simulator. There was a bad crash in Santa Monica Bay years ago. The pilot wasn't supposed to even try to do it. He did and a bunch of people lost their lives. He was aiming for 7R.

[@fjp3305]

I wonder why Boeing didn't build an improved two engine B-727 as fast as the trijet. All the pilots who flew the B-727 loved it. Well, may be not all of them.

[@ronrogers]

They did and they called the 757!

[@fjp3305]

@@ronrogers But it wasn't the same

[@ronrogers]

It was there follow on to the 727. There were many attempts to make a two person 727 and one for converting it to two engines. I reviewed and provided input on a number of these proposals but they never went anywhere.

[@fjp3305]

@@ronrogers Thanks. Regards from Madrid, Spain.

[@wewillrockyou1986]

Now a video on RTOs?

[@ronrogers]

Just put together one on flight test RTOs and thinking about some other discussions on operational aspects.

[@ianhart356]

Complicated go around instruction to new solo circuit student may lead to unpredictable results. Ask me how I know😂

[@ronrogers]

Yes indeed!

[@kirkrobertson9972]

Hey Ron, did you ever fly 737's into BUR? I was in the tower in the early 90's and we had one on a visual to 15 that went around but the mains touched down before they got going back up, a fairly unusual occurrence.

[@ronrogers]

Yes I have!

[@timothypropst238]

A missed approach and a go-around are vastly two different things. When I was an FO and were cleared for a visual approach we would track the localizer and glide slope in. The captain would put in the ILS MA altitude once we captured the GS. I would bring it to their attention that there is no MA off of a visual approach. Theres a go-around. If you read the aim it says straight ahead to pattern altitude and re-enter the traffic pattern. Of course in a large class B airport the controller will issue instructions what he/she wants you to do. I brought this up to our safety department many times. Then we had a captain get violated at an airport doing a visual approach and going around and climbing to the MA altitude instead of traffic pattern altitude. Miraculously there was a memo that came out about these differences and our manual was changed.

[@josephpadula2283]

I guess I am a better pilot than any of you ! Not to brag but I have Never gone around . Not once . Joe Glider pilot …….

[@ronrogers]

I can also say when I was flying gliders, I too never made a go around!