Roof safety with ladders - the top tie tip

[@ChristianWagner888]

It may be better to use ladder standoffs that rest the ladder onto the roof instead of onto a possibly thin gutter. They also stabilize the ladder due to additional width and should keep the ladder from sliding downwards.

[@yongyea4147]

Why would you do that??? Your suppose to scratch up and dent the gutters.... It's not like it's your house your working on. So who cares what damage you cause.

[@lovenottheworld5723]

Australian gutters are not flimsy. The weakest ones are aluminium. Most houses would have colorbond steel, a good Aussie product. No plastic rubbish like in other countries.

[@ChristianWagner888]

@@lovenottheworld5723 I stated "a possibly thin gutter" and this video is shown in all countries, including those that use very thin or weak materials. In Germany the gutters are very thick and strong, in the Philippines they are flimsy and could be just 0.3 or 0.4 mm. Good for you, if this does not apply in Australia. But how would you know, if aluminum or steel is used before climbing up the ladder? In Australia NO 1 ROOFING actually sell a uniquely designed ladder standoff, so there must be a market for such a product: "The Lacket is a new ladder safety product that prevents extension ladders from slipping sideways or falling backwards vertically." It prevents the ladder from resting on the gutter directly.

[@hannesRSA]

​@@lovenottheworld5723 No colorbond gets damaged. Trades just don't GAF and want to believe that they're not terrible people.

[@hannesRSA]

My gutter is ancient.. so it could likely just collapse under a ladder. I have a standoff meant to be used against a wall, but it works against roof tiles. Yeah Lacket is expensive. Little helper is cheap but it just wraps around the gutter which imho can still damage it.

[@johntravis5362]

Use a ladder stabilizer. The rubber tipped ends lay on the roof about 4 feet apart and not the slippery gutter. Also add a 2x4 behind the feet and secure with 2 screwdrivers, 5 in 1’s, in between the boards. Or a sand bag. Stabilizer can EASILY and quickly be placed on rungs so 3-4 feet of ladder extend beyond gutter.

[@yongyea4147]

I like the sandbag idea

[@subinct]

In North America, where we drive on the Right side of the road, you are required to have the top of the ladder stick up 3 feet from the landing surface to provide a hand hold for dismount.

[@alanh8849]

That’s not always possible. So, in Australia, we use these…. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mneUnIpmnJaVrZY

[@yongyea4147]

Australia is a third world country. They don't have OSHA.

[@BB-br4qh]

​@yongyea4147 but they do have common sense, unlike America

[@jerryperwal8569]

Thanks brother from Vancouver Canada 🇨🇦

[@welshhomestead]

"Today we are going to talk about ladder safety" - immediately takes both hands off the ladder breaching the 3 points of contact best practice rule.

[@psylad8088]

If you have to have “3 points of contact” or you’ll fall off you shouldn’t be on a ladder. Real roofing tradies dont follow your pussy bs rules and laugh at you children.

[@ShawDAMAN]

first man up has to do the tie-off, besides climbing a ladder that is not yet tied off. nothing is perfect. you're nitpicking

[@cliffjones3986]

If u lay against a gutter I take a pool noodle and cut slit so it fits on gutter and then lay ladder on noodle so u don’t scratch gutters with ladder

[@yongyea4147]

You are a saint and a scholar.

[@gnoogie]

or just don't lumber around like a caveman in a way that hits the ladder against the gutters. easy not to scratch shit when you don't man handle everything

[@granaleo1]

The bungee will not keep the ladder from falling. It can’t support that much weight. Worst still it’ll take the gutters with it when you fall.

[@wesp2801]

Can you suggest of or link additional ways to secure a ladder? I am trying to figure out the best ways, I'm new to ladders and roof access.

[@DonkeyLipsDA3rd]

It's better than not having a bungee.

[@jamesc6284]

Best way to set up a ladder and secure it is bull horns and ladder hook..For the gents and ladies who know what I'm talking bout when I say Bull horns or I heard other ppl call them ladder elbows..

[@joanthewad7510]

Absolutely. I use bungees a lot on my property and in the garden. There is no way they can hold the weight of a ladder and person’s body weight. Also there are different grades, some cheap rubbishy ones ones have flimsy hooks or the cord snaps or pulls out easily. It would provide a false sense of security - no thanks.

[@Chi-Power]

Install temp ladder bracket and then tie off. Plenty around for screw down roof, If not you can fix to truss.

[@dwaynegreen1786]

Excellent quick safety application idea. Thank you for sharing.

[@SamSam-kh5mz]

I normally fix the ladder in place to the guttering with blu tack, or if not, a piece of chewing gum and then you can just pop it back in your mouth on the way back down 👍🏼

[@BikerDarren24]

I laughed way longer than I thought to this hahahaha 😂😂👌

[@jayrush01]

Lol!

[@maxkhairy5679]

Too funny

[@dwaynegreen1786]

Excellent. Thanks for the humor.

[@yongyea4147]

I prefer Big Red it provides a pleasant odor whilst scaling the roof.

[@twentyonetwos3967]

Brilliant advice! Thank you.

[@drpoundsign]

The ladder should stick up three feet higher than the mounting point, and Not (I would think) be at a Ninety degree angle.

[@wagyu_killer]

for 20 foot high roof, does the latter have to be 5 feet out or can it be 3.5 feet out because of the space?

[@RoofRepairsSydney]

The 4/1 ratio is meant to be a guide on ladder safety. A shallower angle (more that 5 feet horizontal) will start increasing the chances of the feet of the ladder slipping on the ground and sliding out. It will also put more strain on the ladder and the top support. A steeper angle (3.5 feet) will mean that there is less likelihood of the feet of the ladder sliding out - therefore safer. But it means that as you climb the ladder, you cannot lean backwards too much -as this will affect the balance of the ladder and the risk of falling (with the ladder) backwards increases. I personally prefer a ladder steeper than 1/4. Because I have had my ladder slip out from under me a few times. I lean forward as I climb and then install the top ladder tie when I get to the top. The tie then means I can lean backwards with more confidence, without the ladder pulling away from the top support as I use the ladder during the day. When you understand the basics of how a ladder functions, then you can make up your own rules.

[@paulcarroll443]

The ONLY reason I clicked on this video is because I though it was John Dunsworth (Mr. Lahey) on the ladder lol

[@nicholasclark5094]

What goes around is all around

[@nicholasclark5094]

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[@EngageYourFrontalLobe]

I really & truly thought this video would be about tying a ladder, using a dynamic rope, to a roof anchor. As others have stated, I wouldn’t trust the gutter system to hold the ladder in place.

[@contessa.adella]

Ok if you have sturdy metal gutters….You know in England almost all guttering is plastic!

[@lunyim]

Use a G clamp to clamp the gutter, tie ladder and clamp together! Not other clamps, G clamp more reliable.

[@RogerPack]

So you clamp onto one of the hangers? Same as C? Or are you saying to clamp the tie from the ladder to the gutter using the G clamp? The idea reminds me of the lock jaw ladder grip FWIW... :)

[@TheDebianFan]

Thanks for this tip :) This is very easy and can rescue you life :)

[@AndrewHelgeCox]

Can the thin metal of a bungie hook hold the combined weight of a person and a ladder if the worst happens and it does slip?

[@alexouretski115]

Totally agree. This is such a silly advice and I see ppl follow this awful “safety” practice all over the place. Thin gutter metal is not a safe anchor to secure your ladder to. Plus one should NEVER rest a ladder against a gutter as it will easily bend under the weight. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@RogerPack]

​​@@alexouretski115where do you recommend? I'll about I tend to tie mine too the gutter with a little rope but the reality is the gutter extension holder things aren't even attached to the gutter so might not hold well...

[@johnassal5838]

Yeah, I think it's more to keep slight incidental pushes to the side from getting it going in the first place. Or rather that's what it's actually doing if anything at all.

[@manwiththeplan7143]

What if there’s no gutter

[@chinapig71]

A fucking bungee are you serious

[@bobbymancini9069]

Or just have the helper hold the bottom as you go up...

[@danielnall3702]

Mr.Lahey

[@yongyea4147]

You didn't maintain 3 points of contact within the first 10 seconds of the video! I'm reporting this to KZbin authorities!

[@piespeafield]

Don't try this, you will die.

[@Wooster77]

What if there's no gutter?

[@yongyea4147]

Ask the homeowner to install them so you can proceed with your task.

[@jazzsmowingandguttercleani575]

Scratching gutters no thanks

[@alexouretski115]

How can this kind of crazy “safety advice” be even allowed on KZbin? They should ban it and remove it. Plus i recon Worksafe should take a look at the company this guy is supposedly represent and slap a fine on them if they use this kind of “safety devices”.