Roof Shingle Olympics - Expert Ranks 12 Shingle Brands From Worst To Best | Reliance Roof Troop

[@sureshvemula7037]

After spending over 10 hours-trying to get some insight, getting educated, prior to replacing a roof project- this is THE BEST video out there!!! Awesome data, well presented. Kudos!!!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Wow, thank you! That really means a lot.

[@tklrrbccar3906]

I whole heartedly agree! The VERY BEST video done with great care in explanation. Many, MANY, thanks?!

[@shaharazad.]

IKO dynasty has a 1 1/4" nailing strip, not 7/8"

[@MrBamB]

I am certified roofing contractor located in central FL and approve of the content insight and respectfully agree with the results provided.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Appreciate the feedback!

[@jjf609]

Good to hear this. It seemed like a great unbiased comparison but hearing it from a roofing expert makes a difference.

[@cloudmover]

Thank you for the video. You helped someone with no experience in roofing shingle quality understand what to look for and what to avoid. You also helped me make a confident, $18,000 decision.

[@alexanderdeppa8044]

Mine's gonna be 24k if that makes you feel better haha

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Glad this helped! Thanks for watching

[@henrymar7339]

Absolutely the Best video to understand Shingles and how to pick, based on relative measures and analytical due process. Thanks!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Thank you! Im so glad you enjoyed it!

[@andygieger9524]

Great video. Thanks for making the effort to design some basic tests and give some hard data. Much more valuable than simple opinions 👍

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Glad you enjoyed it! I had a lot of fun making it

[@highcommandroofingllc1636]

We only use OC duration. The surenail strip is incredible. it holds up to our crazy winds here in idaho. No delamination the granial loss isn't as much as the others. We find issues with certainteed and GAF all the time here. Can't say anything about malarkey shingles not familiar with them.

[@duffdaddy7921]

I'm reviewing bids for a new roof -- this video was VERY helpful --definitely worth the half hour to watch it. Thank you!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Thank you!

[@objective5014]

Excellent! Why? Thorough, quantified, logical. Yes, as one other poster indicated, there may be a slight lack of complete objectivity, (Malarkey always wins), but if that's the truth, so be it. Wish others followed your model. Thanks for the time you rook to produce it. I will be forwarding it to my friends.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

We appreciate it! Yes, Malarkey does always win. It’s a great performance based shingle and we are passionate about finding winners.

[@ronatha1]

I just did research from various sites because we are having a new roof put on our home and wanted to be sure we get a quality product. At first, we were going to get Certainteed (and the Landmark Pro is a decent shingle) but found that Malarkey is better and is as good as they say it is in this video. We are currently having Vista AR put on our roof this week.

[@AnnvonBrincken]

I have recently discovered circular holes all the way through my 8 year old roof, installed by previous home owner. Perhaps caused by smaller summer hail. Lots of granule loss. Leaks. There was some extra shingle in the garage, GAF Timberline. This video was really useful in learning the difference between shingles and I will reference it while getting bids on replacements. Thanks!

[@jjf609]

Watching your videos again. It's the most comprehensive & ,in my mind, trustworthy comparison. Thank you so much for making this video

[@reliancerooftroop390]

My pleasure! Appreciate the feedback

[@KevinEsch-p6r]

Thank you! Great objective test info & honest and helpful responses to questions.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Thank you! Glad you liked it

[@scottfoley2299]

I am replacing my roof and am so glad I saw this.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Glad you liked it!

[@gymrat974]

I'm glad I watched this, almost went with a roofer who uses GAF shingles. I guess I'll have to go with the roofer who uses the owens corning duration shingles. Thanks

[@cathybestlercurtis]

But I thought Owens Corning were crap. All the videos I watch conflict!

[@gregriutzel7834]

Great information and insight. Brings back memories of working as a millwright for a Bird & Son roofing mill. I checked in a lot with the Q&A lab when the plant machinery didn't perform well and I remember their granule tester. It was a "calibrated" wire brush that with so many strokes or cycles under a certain pressure determined if a sample met a granule loss spec. It wasn't just the asphalt but also the pressure they were pressed in with. Too little and they shed too easy; and too much, by only a few pounds per foot, they would have a sheen in certain angles of sunlight. After some warranty claims on faulty shingle granules, we redesigned and rebuilt the press. A good weight we strived for at the time was 75 lbs per bundle of 3 tab for a 30 year roof. Malarkey was in the same town and our biggest competitor. They were the 1st with fiberglass shingles and revolutionized the business with fire resistant shingles; which home owners liked for the insurance discount. I believe Certainteed bought out the mill from Bird sometime in the 1980s

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Thanks for sharing! Great hearing your experience working with shingles

[@lilcomb83]

Awesome comparison.. Makes it easy to choose roofing shingles especially when getting quotes from multiple sources. Love it..

[@barbarahorn9641]

So helpful! Thank you so much!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

I’m so glad you liked it!

[@JeanOfmArc]

This was extremely helpful, and exactly the kind of analysis I was looking for. Thank you very much!!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

So glad you liked it!

[@slydog7131]

Seriously great video. This will help me a lot with my roof replacement which will happen soon.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

I’m glad this was useful for you! Thanks for watching

[@larryulstrom4749]

What did you go with on your new roof?

[@slydog7131]

@@larryulstrom4749 I'm still getting bids, but I will be going with Malarkey Legacy Scotchgurd shingles, an Ice & Water shield where appropriate, 30# felt underlayment, hot-dip ring-shank nails, Ultimate pipe flashings. Still deciding on which hip & ridge.

[@dougvuillemot8670]

It's really not that much help. I do roofs everyday. None of them will make there manufacture time. You can do tests all you want. You can buy the most expensive line on market. They might make the low end time frame.

[@slydog7131]

@@dougvuillemot8670 I saw a video of a guy who bought what he said were 40-year IKO shingles. They totally fell apart in 10 years. The warranty coverage was so pathetic it wasn't worth his time to reply to the offer letter. I don't see expected lifetimes on manufacturers websites. I only see warranty length, which is always related to a manufacturing defect. It would be like buying a set of tires with a 100,000-mile warranty against failure due to a manufacturing defect, but they aren't saying the tires will actually last for 100,000 miles of normal wear. Same thing with shingles. Mostly the warranties are a joke played on clueless people who don't read and think about what the warranty is saying. To get the best lifetime, it is only the quality of the shingle that means anything, that and the quality of workmanship during installation.

[@tombashlor1984]

I'm getting ready to have malarkey vista installed thank you for your review

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Glad you liked it!

[@rogerbaim6070]

We're about to re-roof and had been favoring GAF UHDZ because of how hot it is in SC and potential for hurricanes (3 since 2016, so the GAF unlimited wind warranty was seductive). Our original roof was OC (Berkshire series which is no longer available) and, based on your testing, I think I'll now have estimates resubmitted with the OC Duration.

[@skip741x3]

Outstanding information brother! we are considering the malarky Vista..the one area I wish malarky improved on would be their very limited color choices..while we are thrilled to see vista now rated as class 4, that line has so few color options and the ones it Does have, are not so p[leasing to the eye.. sienna blend for example, with its checkerboard effect and orangey tinge.. I wish malarky just went with even color tones with subtle ,instead of crazy daramatic highlights..when trying to choose a color option, I also noticed that malarky's stock photos of shingle examples on a home would vary wildly fromone pic to another,even though it was supposed to be the same color!... that said, it seems a fantastic shingle. your review came across as having a Slight bias, maybe becuz you work with malarky products? but you aimed to present the facts, kept it fair and let the testing speak for itself as far as performance...This review was every bit as thorough and extensive as Roofing Insights has done on their channel.... side note: in our neighborhood, nearly Every home has had their roofs redone from a recent hailstorm and the shingles were a couple of certainteed landmark and the vast majority were GAF timberline hdz... I wished I could see malarky examples to view actual ,on house appearances but man, they are rare here!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Very happy to hear! Thank you for your feedback. I install other shingles and have worked with all other shingles. Malarkey far surpasses other brands in longevity and durability. So I might have a slight bias but it is because of the results you see in this video. I love competition and would like other manufacturers up their game to provide a better quality product and value to homeowners

[@davidrhyne7358]

Fantastic! This is the only video anyone needs to see that’s shopping for shingles. You covered everything in great detail. I noticed you didn’t discuss the Scotchgard type products that some are claiming prevent black streaking from algae. Is that just one of the marketing features you mentioned? Thanks again for all the great info

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Much appreciated, David! Excellent question about the Scotchguard. More manufacturers are adding scotchguard to their shingles. Time will tell how each one performs. At this time I am not sure how to perform any tests with real results without waiting several years

[@Justin-C]

Thank you for this review/data - this definitely deserves more views. Oddly enough, my first, lowest priced, and best-put-together quote (from a well-rated roofer) offers Malarkey Vista (and Highlander). I think that makes it a pretty easy call - easy enough that I may just cancel my other appointments for quotes.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Glad you found this helpful! Thank you for your kind words

[@rosyc9250]

Thank you so much for this research.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

You are welcome! Glad you enjoyed it.

[@ukeplaya1]

Great video - exactly what I was hoping to find. Was about to hire a GAF installer!! Thank you!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Thanks for watching

[@ronatha1]

I had already done other research and had decided on Malarkey Vista AR or Legacy (which is higher rated than Vista AR) so was happy to see these test results reinforce my decision. Our new roof installation starts in 2 weeks!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

@@ronatha1 thank you, those were very kind words! Send me an email and I will send you copies of our data. [e-mail]

[@colomacountry]

I'm not a roofer, but can see how these qualities in a roof can help you decide, ive seen cheap roofs lose 75% of their granules. Malarkey does feel a bit sponsored here I have to say. All in all many roofers use Owens duration and it has a 50 year warranty so I think that vs the price is pretty good. Cool roofs and title 24 requirements, plus newer technology is helping a ton to keep shingle life much past 30 years. I have 2 cheap shingled roofs 25 years old..no leaks, tons of granular loss and a sloppy install. Roasted by cali heat rain and wind. Do your homework people and good luck!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Not sponsored, but I can understand how it feels that way. We are passionate about what we do and have tested shingles for years. Malarkey consistently ranks at the top and we had fun documenting and explaining our process. Thanks for watching!

[@forshadowj]

Owens Corning will not pay out on a warranty

[@martinbroverman7955]

That's nice. So where is this MALARKEY SHINGLE SOLD??? NEVER AROUND PITTSBURGH!!!

[@dougvuillemot8670]

We're you live matters. One brand here that's the best might be garbage over there.

[@H0kieJoe]

​@@martinbroverman7955If you have one nearby, ABC Supply carries Malarkey shingles.

[@SWog617]

Excellent video. I'm about to hire someone to do my roof; one company does GAF Timberline, and the other Certainteed Landmark Pro. The video suggests it's a no-brainer. ...i just wish one was offering Malarkey as an option. Thank you!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

So glad you enjoyed this!

[@greyholcombjr.9623]

My roofer is installing Certainteed Landmark Pro next spring on my home. It is his preferred shingle to install. Malarkey is not available in my market area. Your video confirms my confidence in the Landmark Pro. My installer hand nails all shingles. He may already do this, but I will request he nails on the lower part of the 1 inch nail zone to ensure each nail is set in the common bond.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

I am glad to hear you found this video helpful and gained confidence in your buying decision!

[@craigburnett6099]

I have been in business in Dallas area for 40 years. Without any doubt the Certainteed products are the worst. Absolutely the worst product on the market. My distributor of 39 years had a turnover in general managers. I have 2 jobs installed in last 30 days that are terribly defective. They looked at my roof for 1 minute on roof. I had pulled 3 shingles for him already. He tells my elderly couple they have nothing to worry about. But to give them time to get claim processed. They show up one day later and load up the big pile of shingles which we culled thru. Manufacturer and distributors ware they didn’t pick up that pile of shingles. I even hid a bundle of the shingles in the garage. They saw that bundle and took them too. The roof obviously has problems. They told them unbelievably that the roof is fine. I will have to sue them to get this paid which I will do. Going forward I can avoid their products and will continue to spread the word on Certainteed to my roofing associates. This same exact scenario occurred with Tamko products in 2008 and 2009. They ruined their reputation to the point that many companies still avoid them. Then GAF in 2013-2014. These guys are willing for their product to be endlessly berated because they simply don’t care. They sell all they can produce and could sell more. Most homeowners will not bother to sue because of cost. But this one will. I will pay for it if they don’t. And I will walk with them every step.

[@greyholcombjr.9623]

Yea, that's not a good experience. All the asphalt shingle manufacturers have had lawsuits against them at some point. I'm in NC and several homes this past late summer and fall had new roofs installed due to a severe hail storm we had. Several of the homes in my subdivision chose Certainteed. Today I went for a walk in my subdivision and came upon my roofer installing Certainteed Pro on a home owned by an employee that works at the lumber supply company where he buys his roofing materials. It was warm enough with high in the mid 50's. I prefer warmer temps myself for my roof job next late spring.The Certainteed shingles for my location are manufactured here in my state in Sanford, NC. Certainteed has been my installers preferred shingle for a long time. I'm sure if he had enough bad experiences with them, he would have moved on from them. Hope your situation gets resolved favorably for you and the homeowner.@@craigburnett6099

[@craigburnett6099]

@@greyholcombjr.9623 absolutely true. Certainteed has been making non class 4 products for more than 100 years. And they are good at it. I use their other products often. But they have been making class 4 for less than 20. They have 5 times as many defective roofs as all other major brands combined. I suggest you call a local roofing distributor and just ask a few questions. I would calI a local roof distributor and tell them you are using a local roofer for replacement and am concerned with number of defects certainteed has. I would be surprised if they don’t tell u the same thing. I am shocked that they continue to make the same defective products and do nothing about it. Owens Corning, GAF, Malarkey are all the same price with very few defects. Same colors available. The shingles look the same. Just know this. If you end up w a defective shingle you can do nothing about it short of a lawsuit. Best of luck to you on new roof.

[@Fehrfamilyhomestead]

@greyholcombjr.9623 I've been roofing for 15 years here in Ontario, Canada just across the border from Detroit MI. And out of all the brands of shingles that I've used over the years I prefer Certainteed Landmarks, for one they seal very well and the shingles I use come from Avery Ohio.

[@BuildItFixItDIY]

Thank you for your analysis and ratings. I am about to have a couple of roofs replaced so this comes in handy. I would say about your granule loss test is that you should have a consistent,unbiased way of applying the pressure to the shingles and not sure that you did (the video shows someone hand holding the tool).

[@reliancerooftroop390]

I made sure the same speed and pressure was applied (no downward force was applied outside of gravity pushing the brush tool down)

[@purplesprigs]

I am shopping for a roof. I just learned: The Owens-Corning shingles both have 25 year algae resistance. The Atlas Pinnacle Pristine is 10 years up North and only 5 years down here in Florida. It will be Owens-Corning for me.

[@captainmo3064]

It's funny because in real life situations in the NE I install OC Duration. Since 2011 over 30k squares with zero issues. I came from GAF as a Master Elite with many roof failures and blow offs. OC Duration is far superior than TAMKO, GAF, and CT. Also no streaking with the copper granules. I have installed from NJ to Massachusetts.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

OC does well for sure. You can tell they care about quality.

[@captainmo3064]

@@reliancerooftroop390 Yes Sir. Quality is very important to me. Good luck with your business.

[@adamg.1845]

I’m in NJ You work here? I’m in North Jersey One contractor gave estimate with OC Duration and the other GAF HDZ

[@reliancerooftroop390]

@@adamg.1845 unfortunately we do not work in NJ. We are in NW Indiana (broader Chicago area)

[@dougvuillemot8670]

Put some Owen corning castbrooks on my parents home. Cheap shingle that has held up well. We're I'm at you can only get certainteed. They got monopoly here.

[@mwiese83]

Hands-down, this is the best shingle comparison video I’ve seen on the Internet yet! Fantastic work. Metrics and statistical results from thoughtfully created testing/measurement. You’ve rooted yourself in the truth, not opinions. This’ll shine through to win you business. Keep it up!👍 Do you have it in a written report (results/summary) format for people to download - PDF or written out on your website?

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Wow, that is very kind of you! What is your email? I will send you PDFs of the data and rankings for each category

[@twobeagles1365]

A very good and informative review, Thankyou !

[@reliancerooftroop390]

@@twobeagles1365 thank you! Much appreciated

[@joehyzy1329]

Great video! Very helpful. Thank you

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Hey Joe! Glad you found it helpful.

[@brucelewis9848]

First house Tamko - hurricane Charley no damage. Second house Tamco - hurricane ian no damage both category 4 storms. just had my roof replaced with Tamco. Need I say more

[@OnlineAcct-n9u]

@brucelewis9848 Were your Titan shingles the XL ones every house? Not sure how long the XL shingles have been made. Thanks.

[@brucelewis9848]

@ new roof are the XL. Can’t find my old quotes. Sorry

[@realtalkhere1]

What do you think about the warranties? Can you do an extension of this video that ranks the different warranties offered by the manufacturers as well as how well the hold them up?

[@reliancerooftroop390]

It’s a great idea for me to make a separate video on. Warranties are only as good as the company backing them up. All shingle manufacturers offer standard “lifetime” and extended warranties that even cover workmanship warranties (most important)

[@fieldtrailer]

Where do you rank malarkey legacy?

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Definitely better than the Malarkey Vista. Just in a higher price point category

[@user-Q-]

@@reliancerooftroop390How about the Malarkey Windsor?

[@shirleygorre6003]

I have the 'GAF Designer' shingles that are class 4 rated with a 50-year warranty. Cost more but saved me $700 per year on HO insurance and look awesome!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Very good! They have nice designer shingles available

[@PeterSweeney-m8d]

What about underlayments? Have you done a similar video on the underlayments?

[@reliancerooftroop390]

@@PeterSweeney-m8d in the works to make one!

[@user-my3pv9kx2h]

@@reliancerooftroop390nice! .... and I'm currently getting bids to re-roof my four year-old home that I just bought due to a couple of leaks and some poor installation by a previous roofer plus lots of granule loss and general mechanical damage likely caused by other trades during the build process. But the new roofer who seems very good wants to put GAF back on there. So same shingle

[@mjones2424]

thanks for the informative video !

[@reliancerooftroop390]

You’re welcome, glad you enjoyed it!

[@user-xk5so7wb2t]

A very well done Malarkey commercial. But Damn good shingles! I'm getting that next roof!

[@timothykrause2327]

I think your assessment is fair. I’d probably move the pinnacles up to 3rd on the list. Their sealant line is by far their biggest downside.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

If they made some adjustments, especially to the sealant - I think they will rank higher for sure

[@renerosalez4915]

How about Atlas Pro Lam ? Is it good?

[@kimsdragonfruitparadise]

Thank you so much . Great video ! I know what I want for my new roof Marlarkey Vista .

[@davidw9118]

Interesting video. I wonder if the Malarkey polymer versus asphalt isn't good in the Florida heat as I can't find a dealer or distributor anywhere in our area. Otherwise, thanks for the video.

[@AnotherMe890]

Dang. I'm about to order the shingles for my new house, and I was debating GAF vs Malarkey... i almost made a huge mistake. Thank you so much for this comprehensive video.!

[@danstro5520]

Thanks for the video. Take Care

[@1k1ngst0n]

thank you for making this video. Can you do one on best reflective shingles?

[@reliancerooftroop390]

You know, when it comes down to it - I don’t see much of a difference being on reflective roofs or in the attic. They are both made with asphalt and are just as hot in the summer. Possibly and theoretically there is a small difference but both attics still cook me and the shingles still are hot to the touch

[@yiuchan7750]

Great video! Thanks for the educational information for a home owner with a 12year old roof.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Thank you!

[@proexteriorsct]

Just out of curiosity. Why wasnt the TAMKO Titan XT not included? I could see them as a possible Sleeper? Thanks for the video!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

It was not available in our market at the time this video was made

[@mariofuentes_]

Great video! Thank you!!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

@@mariofuentes_ thank you! Glad you liked it

[@ElmiraStore]

how about comparing the actual coverage of the shingles on the next one? how many actually cove a full square?

[@reliancerooftroop390]

True square coverage (98 vs 100 SQ FT) isn’t something related to performance. It is nice for contractors to know and consider, but not a performance category for homeowners to consider.

[@csoukup06]

I had OC duration installed 1 week before Hurricane Milton hit Sarasota. I lost 1 ridge cap shingle. We had the eye of the storm come over our house. The shingles took hurricane force wind for many hours! My neighbor who had Certainteed(9 yrs old) shingles lost a ton of shingles.

[@brianransome9042]

I’ve been a Roofer for over 20 years. The Owens corning sure nail strip does not hold up overtime. The fabric itself will peel off the shingle very easily, especially after it goes through the seasonal changes. From hot to cold. This is a issue because the sealant of the top shingle rest on the fabric of the bottom shingle. So you do not get a good bond from shingle to shingle. it would be better without the fabric strip. Then let the shingle bond to the asphalt of the shingle underneath it. There’s also an issue with the hook blades not cutting the fabric smoothly. hook blades are great for cutting asphalt shingles but not much else. This causes a problem when you’re trying to cut shingles to flash around a pipe or a chimney. Because the blade will pull the fabric strip from the shingle instead of cutting it smoothly .After all the issues I’ve seen with Owens Corning I would never recommend them to anybody or put them on my house.

[@M14armorer]

Exactly, the strip is a terrible idea. I hate those shingles

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Thank you for your feedback

[@joeljohnson9583]

Yeah I agree it is terrible.

[@craigburnett6099]

I realize that Iko and atlas are at bottom of your ratings but certainteed not being at bottom of your ratings is not indicative of the Dallas market. Our products come out of Ennis Texas. I went down there 3 months ago sept 10th. They had acres of class 4 shingles. All had a sticker in fluorescent on bundles that says do not stack. They were stacked for all I could see. Same thing the next day at my Dallas distributor. I completely understand how these guys know they will have a small percentage of defects. We plan to meet w attorneys starting next week. Anybody has further suggestions or input I would appreciate it.

[@craigburnett6099]

I put 8 class 4 products on a block in Arlington Texas 3 years ago. 4 malarkey, 2 were OC and 2 were Atlas. I was back in that neighborhood last year. The atlas and OC were fine. The certainteed all had bubbles on shingle where it meets the Texas hail. It will not last. The malarkey’s were put on over a 3 month period. 3 different colors. All were defective. Malarkey turned down all the claims. I will not use again.

[@beckybond9161]

have you compared these shingles with TAMKO Titan -- I found it to be superior to any other shingle you have listed.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

I have not compared them with the Tamko Titan

[@michelleminter996]

Atlas Pinnacle Pristine has a Class 3 Impact rating. Did they fail your test, or did you not test them?

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Atlas Pinnacle Pristine, like OC Duration became a class 3 impact rated shingle after this video was made.

[@thebigdent]

Thanks for the info! How would you rank the Tamko Titan XT?

[@reliancerooftroop390]

It was not available in our market but I’m excited to get my hands on them next year and test them out!

[@thebigdent]

@@reliancerooftroop390 I would greatly appreciate that. I have never sold Tamko bc of the quality, but Titan XT is a different story. Plus the Class 3 gives homeowners discounts on their insurance premiums with some carriers.

[@thebigdent]

@@reliancerooftroop390 As for availability, we have plenty in Louisville, KY. Not sure how far away you are, but let me know if you’re ever close and I’ll give you a bundle. Also, thanks for your reply.

[@Littlejohnny40]

Great video. I’m having landmark pro shingles installed this coming spring. I was worried because I came across a roofing sight on KZbin that also reviews shingles and he doesn’t even have landmark pro on his list and when asked he said he’s only doing the top shingles now. He also heavily promotes IKO so it’s hard for me to understand how he can be so different from this review. I have to say after watching a few of his videos I feel he is biased to IKO though so maybe there’s something going on there 🤷‍♂️

[@dellenerogers5287]

A awesome analysis!!!! Wow!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Thank you kindly!

[@spunda22]

Really great video, solidified my own research. We are going with Vista for new roof. Thank you!!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Glad it was helpful!

[@firemenscap]

Do you have a similar video for underlayment? Are you familiar with Certainteed Diamonddeck? Do you like it?

[@reliancerooftroop390]

No video on Underlayment yet, but Underlayment and Ice and Water shield ratings will make for a good video in the future!

[@mottyb9611]

Hi. What do you think of Tamko titan?

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Haven’t tested it yet. Hopefully 2025!

[@congaiHue]

Would you choose ATLAS pro lam over IKO Cambridge?

[@1brokenbychrist]

Great content!!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Thank you!

[@dginta7932]

Any feedback on the F-Wave shingles?

[@reliancerooftroop390]

They are great shingles. Better than all reviewed in this video. However, F wave is in a totally different price range.

[@dhab146]

Great video. Well done, I’ll now go with the Duration not IKO.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Thank you!

[@geraldweed5409]

Also do a nail test nail the shingle down and pull it up. See the rankings change dramatically

[@chadthurston2923]

The sealant is the most important after the weathering duration

[@jasonw9377]

There is something missed in your tests which is important to compare. Algae resistance. How does each of these shingle manuf brands hold up to their claims of algae reistance. Atlas Pinnacle shows a longer resistance than Landmark Pro. Is it true that their Scotchguard is really better? What about the others you tested?

[@reliancerooftroop390]

I would love to incorporate this into next years Olympics, I just can’t come up with a good test for it. You are talking years of leaving shingles out to determine the true effects of scotchguard. Love the profile pic btw. Huge Star Wars Lego fan!

[@DavidGalan777]

Excellent reviews! But I do not understand how you do not recommend GAF Timberline HDZ when they companites offer incredible 50 year shingle warranty with full replacement and 25 year workmanship with transferrable warranty??? (I had 3 big companies come out and each gave about the exact same pitch and installed only GAF.)

[@renurenovationsllc7780]

A GAF insider said he quit the company because GAF figured out that the average person stays at their home for less then 7 years. The warranty is transferable once so the third owner gets no warranty. They ENGINEERED the GAF HDZ to last at LEAST 13 years, to accommodate this expected transfer, they may have to pay a few claims, to those that stay at their place, but not many, between people not registering the transfer, getting hailed out, the fact that 90% of houses are not properly vented, and people moving they can make a lot more money, and almost never pay out. It will catch up eventually, looks like they are still getting too much support. When I heard this I quit installing for them so fast, I couldn’t get other shingles stocked and we had some down time. I will not support cheating homeowners for extra profit.

[@renurenovationsllc7780]

I was a GAF fan/installer for many years, but started seeing cheapening and major issues, exactly as noted in this video, cracking and granule loss.

[@danielwagenmaker6452]

David, I recommend you go with what you feel comfortable with. If a company is offering you GAF’s extended warranty and you feel that will benefit you and your home’s equity, by all means go with GAF’s HDZ shingles The purpose of this video is only to test the durability and longevity of the shingles and have fun in the process showing the results!

[@VideoGrabBag]

​@@renurenovationsllc7780sounds logical. must be the best profit margin for roofers as to why the bigger companies install it.

[@VideoGrabBag]

​@@danielwagenmaker6452​ well after seeing this video there's no way I can be comfortable in getting GAF. out of 8 bids, 6 were GAF hdx, one bid for IKO Cambridge, and one gave 3 options for Pabco premier and Malarkey

[@SavingOurRepublic]

We can't get Malarkey in Georgia. Why?. Doesn't work as well down south???

[@johnflores7835]

They are a smaller company from the northwest and don't have the supply yet. They have a production facility in Oklahoma and I've heard they're planning to build a new production facility in the Midwest so you might be seeing them in Georgia soon!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

John Flores is correct. Malarkey is currently only available in the West, Southwest, and Midwest regions (as well as Alaska) and is currently not available in the east coast region due to production. We are located in the Chicago region and can order shingles that come out of Oklahoma City. That plant in OKC is new as of 2014 and Malarkey is planning on a new plant in the Midwest region in the next year or so.

[@johnpublic793]

Avail in Northern Virginia by ABC @@reliancerooftroop390

[@Vipaworld_Vito]

And h never mentioned metal roofs ?? Your thoughts on metal roofs

[@ziegle9876]

They are the best. In most parts of the world, asphalt shingles are at best used on garden sheds.....

[@reliancerooftroop390]

We didn’t rank any metal or tile roofs because they last a lot longer and are usually double the cost of asphalt shingle roofs

[@shirleygorre6003]

ERIE was Triple the cost on my roof.

[@bigfoot99]

I just thought this video was a bunch of malarkey.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Lol we thought so too!

[@FSU92grad]

Didn’t see the Tamko Titan XT shingle mentioned….why?

[@elisenbe]

Would you recommend Tamco titan or certainteed landmark pro as far as hail resistance?

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Probably only shingles with polymer modified asphalt

[@solarflower5401]

What about the GAF UHDZ? Anyone have any input?

[@reliancerooftroop390]

It’s harder to get in my area but I would love to include it! I might want to extend the 3rd shingle to each manufacturer

[@shirleygorre6003]

If you're referring to GAF Designer, that's what I have and they are great class 4 & 50yr warranty if the installer is certified.

[@idealSWFLhomes]

What is the best shingle roof system for south Florida?

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Being in a different market and environment (Midwest) I am not as qualified to answer that well. I’m always of the belief homeowners should make their home as durable as possible (avoid cookie cutter) BUT to also live within their means

[@MrBamB]

Oc or atlas

[@joemamaluc312]

As of September 1, 2023, Atlas Pinnacle® Pristine, Pinnacle® Sun, and Pro-Cut Hip & Ridge shingles have been classified as UL 2218 Class 3 Impact Rated.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Correct

[@thomaskindt9912]

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[@maulikshah4503]

I am looking at new roof and also considering solar panels. We are in northeast so good amount of wind, rain, and snow to deal with. Occasional hale but not as big in size. We also have to be mindful of overall weight if I go for solar panels (18 panels on the roof). GAF HDZ gets suggested by half of the roofers for some reason which is very low on your ratings. Have you reviewed GAF Ultra HDZ shingles? Are they any better? How do you rate them on basis of value (cost vs quality)? Thanks for your video as it was very informative.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

I haven’t reviewed the Ultra HDZ shingles but I’m sure they would be a better investment

[@amirchar]

Where does Malarkey Legacy fit in.. compared to Vista and Highlander?

[@reliancerooftroop390]

The Legacy is definitely better

[@lockwoodjd]

If I understood correctly, you stated that GAF Timberline HDz shingles are not impact rated, but I just saw that they have a UL2218 Class 4 rating, did this recently change? Is this the rating scale to which you were referring? TY for the video, I know more about shingles than I thought I would ever want to know. LOL

[@reliancerooftroop390]

As of today, GAF Timberline HDZs do not have a class 4 rating or any impact rating although you never know if that might change down the road. Since publishing this video, OC Duration and Atlas Pinnacle Pristine shingles are class 3 rated.

[@lockwoodjd]

@@reliancerooftroop390 thank you for verifying. I think it's a bait and switch.

[@stephxmarie]

if you scroll all the way to the bottom it has a comparison of the different items and the check boxes for the class 4 rating arent checked. but they make it appear that way in the description.

[@josemuzquiz9922]

Any thoughts on GAF Timberline Amorshield II Level 4 Impact Resistant shingle?

[@reliancerooftroop390]

@@josemuzquiz9922 different price point. Goes with other high end shingles like OC Duration Flex, Atlas Stormmaster, IKO Nordic, Malarkey Legacy, Certainteed Northgate etc.

[@theodorecarbajal2975]

I honestly like gaf but I see way to much discolored horror stories on roofing forums on Facebook. I only install ceratinteed, but with the current high prices I'm going to try out atlas pinnacle and iko cambridge on my next projects

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Thanks for watching!

[@hammeltron]

If you had ever installed and/or repaired these shingles, you might have changed some of your ratings. For example, I've seen the sealant separate from OC duration when they get wet. The sealant literally falls off the back of the shingle. I have found that the GAF Timberline HDZ, while having seemingly less sealant, has a better quality sealant. I saw solar panels fly off a roof after hurricane Ian, and not one shingle was missing. 140 mph winds!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

As a seasoned roofer who does do repairs, I can vouch for the accuracy of our rankings. Thanks for your feedback

[@hammeltron]

@reliancerooftroop390 I don't care how much salt and pepper you have on. My experience says otherwise. God bless...

[@reliancerooftroop390]

@@hammeltron you should document and make a video of your findings

[@forshadowj]

You are so full of it, GAF is straight trash. An anchored down panel flew off, but that asphalt tortilla chip GAF calls a "shingle" didn't? GTFO

[@sintaynei6300]

Hi do u have this with Spanish subtitles ?

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Sorry, I do not

[@zironemegeaz]

I got 3 estimates. All 3 used different types. 1 used malarkey. 1 used GAF. 1 used OC. The lowest est was the guy using malarkey.. but it's more expensive ...

[@Nevy-]

I am consistently the lowest bidder for projects I bid vs GAF and OC and I use Malarkey. We try to provide the best value and not rip people off. We are a small company and all I care about is making sure my people can succeed.

[@jjf609]

​@@Nevy-Another roofer commenter said the Malarkey was not good for him. You've had a good experience with Malarkey?

[@Nevy-]

@@jjf609 yes! Have not had any issues with them yet, and from what I’ve heard from other people I know who use them when there are issues they are good about taking care of them. I think sometimes quality depends on region for shingles because different areas of the country are supplied by different plants. You wouldn’t think it would be that way but it is.

[@thulsa5218]

I would like to know which shingle holds up the best in the brutal Phoenix, AZ heat?

[@skip741x3]

Same here, I would wonder if the modified polymer ,which seems an advantage in most instances, would this be a disaventage in extreme heat areas becuz of it softening and the granules loosing adhesion ect.. seems in those areas ,they go for slate roofs

[@thulsa5218]

@@skip741x3 my thinking exactly! More asphalt in the shingle may be better in super hot areas of the country.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Good question! Malarkey is very popular in Texas due to its durability and true impact rating. Hot summers there. When installing any asphalt shingle in 90+ heat, it is important not to leave shingles (not yet installed) facedown where the shingle sealant can leave a tar strip mark on the already installed shingles.

[@CarreraTrackOntheFloor]

What Certainteed underlayment would you use RoofRunner or Diamond Deck?

[@ahha5643]

Are you sure Owen Corning is not rated for Class 3 impact? Website says it is FM 4473 and UL 2218 (Class 3 Impact Resistance).

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Owens Corning changed their impact rating a few months after the video was published

[@AM_1300]

Help please! I'm in eastern Canada, long and hard winters! Time to replace my 15 yr old roofing. 3 contractors working with IKO and 1 with GAF. Single women, zero roofing knowledge/experience. Your recommendations are so welcomed. Thank you !!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Go within your means but go with a roofing contractor that has great reviews, solid reputation (ask local shingle suppliers) and will back up their work. Workmanship warranties are most meaningful of all warranties

[@Harley32315-playse]

What about tamko titan xt

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Not available in our market (yet) but I look forward to reviewing it hopefully by next year!

[@Harley32315-playse]

@@reliancerooftroop390 trying it monday ill let ya know

[@TG-vg3qe]

According to their website, OC Duration shingles are class 3 except the Flex and Storm which are class 4.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Yes, Owens Corning labeled their Duration shingle class 3 a few months after this video was published

[@TG-vg3qe]

@@reliancerooftroop390 Thanks. Would you still rank the Landmark Pro higher than Duration now that you know that? I'm guessing the Duration costs less. I'm trying to decide between the two since I can't get Malarkey in Alabama. May see if I can get an installer from Tennessee to drive down but not sure how that would work out if I had a problem.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

That’s a good question. OC Duration would still come out lower than the LM Pro in my rankings. I will say CT is thicker and has been rated a class 3 for years and easier to repair. Duration though is a good shingle and has nice color options. You would be just fine going with either one! Those 2 are the best standard asphalt shingles

[@TG-vg3qe]

@@reliancerooftroop390 Thank you so much for your help!

[@michaelpowell9755]

​@TG-vg3qe What shingle did you end up going with? I am in Alabama also; on the outskirts of Birmingham. After researching, I was set in Malarkey also, but then found there is no real distribution in Alabama....

[@caseyhartman7094]

I'm in Hampton Roads Virginia and it looks like the closest distributors are in Knoxville, TN and Lexington, KY. I wonder when the local ABC Supply Stores will start carrying them.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

I would hope in the next 3 years

[@Lukester44]

Really needs to have a pricing ranking - skipping that misses a crucial criteria thst makes a big difference when choosing a shingle. Also would have liked full performance metrics on each test (granule loss), pictures on results after impact test, etc. Would have helped with not feeling as much like a sales ad for malarkey

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Pricing is not consistent unfortunately when switching regions. Pricing does vary but all shingles tested are the main ones offered in our market (Chicago-Midwest-Great Lakes) I am not able to post pictures here in the response but I know the granule loss results varied from 6.59 grams - 30.90 grams. And yes, Malarkey does take the cake in the testing results. Not a sales ad. I encourage you to check out testing and results from other shingle tests (Roofing Insights) Everyone has different testing criteria. Ours is more focused on performance and overall longevity. Thanks for watching!

[@Lukester44]

@@reliancerooftroop390that makes sense on pricing, but I hink there should be some way to average them out or even put a disclaimer it's region specific - for instance, if the number 3 shingle costs much less on average then the number 2, it's very helpful to know, and if the 6th best shingle costs more then the 4th best that is also very informative. With the higher price you'd obviously expect a better product, and it also helps show outliers and great value shingles. And yea, just having the specifics of how each performed per test and even standardizing the scoring between tests and showing what the totals were at the end and the difference between rankings is just much more enlightening.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Total scores are posted in the video with the rankings. As for price, there is not a big difference. Average price for homeowner is within a $1,000 range of each other for your average roof size (markets do vary). Other shingles not tested are in much higher price points. Hope this helps

[@caseyhartman7094]

Incredibly informative. I had some cedar shake shingles replaced with asphalt ones and I was glad that the contractor picked up a bundle of GAF. I saw that GAF has solar shingles, but they should develop their other products to make the quality more on par with competitors.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

I am intrigued by the GAF solar shingles. There are some kinks being worked out currently

[@gabrielisernia3621]

In your opinion, does Scotchgard make or break a final decision, and is there really an added benefit? Such as if I was looking at the Malarkey w/out scotchgard compared to a traditional asphalt with scotchgard….or does the better performance.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

It’s hard to say. I think Scotchguard protection on the granules definitely is beneficial to slow the dark algae streaking/staining on the shingles. With that being said, it’s also important the granules actually stay on the shingles to work effectively.

[@f4d3r_tv]

Much appreciated!!

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Thank you!

[@MatthewBrasic]

Commenting for the algo. Great video, I learned a few things I didn't know :)

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Much appreciated, Matt!

[@jdl1276]

this is a nice vid, but i thing you guys need to study Project Farm if you are going to be doing comparisons.

[@reliancerooftroop390]

Thanks for the suggestion