Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholic? ☦️

[@abelreyna8781]

Catholics DO NOT IN ANY WAY believe that Apostolic Succession only comes from St. Peter. We firmly believe that it comes from ALL the Apostles.

[@r4ngerr4ge32]

And yet, one is put above the rest…

[@abelreyna8781]

@r4ngerr4ge32 You can argue about the emphasis Catholics put on the See of Peter all you want. Catholics believe that communion with the Bishop of Rome is a mark of the true church and you do not. Fair enough. That doesn't change the erroneous statement said in this video. Apostolic Succession is about the validity of bishops. A bishop in the line of any of the apostles is equally valid as St. Peter.

[@Sicilianus]

@@r4ngerr4ge32yes, but this does not negate the apostolic succession of all the other bishops. do not use these dumb arguments

[@r4ngerr4ge32]

@@Sicilianus y’all need to not put words in my mouth. I did not say that Rome doesn’t think that apostolic succession matters for anyone else.

[@AngelGonzalez-ng9ve]

Check out Michael Lofton New book. On orthodox and CATHOLICS. CHECK OUT FR. CHRIS ALAR ON THE HOW THE CATHOLIC IS THE ORIGINAL CHURCH. YES THE OTHER APOSTLES DO HVE THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCHES. BUT CLEARLY. CLEARLY JESUS HIMSELF GIVES THE AUTHORITY TO PETER ON THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH. THE ORTHADOX CHURCH WAS IN COMMUNION WITH THE POPE BEFORE. WHY IS IT THAT SOME EASTER CHURCHES ARE CATHOLIC AND ARE STILL IN COMMUNION WITH THE CHURCH. GOD BLESS YOU. KEEP SEARCHING. AT LEAST YOU AINT PROTESTANT. LoL. Much Love. 📿⛪️🫡🙌🏻🙏🏻🫶🏻📖✝️🍞🍷🕊

[@carloschavez2875]

I respect the Orthodox Churches. But please know this priest is wrong on a few things: 1. He left out the Oriental Churches, whom I also respect and admire. They also have valid apostolic succession. 2. St. James was NOT a bishop before St. Peter. All 12 Apostles were made Bishops at the same time by Christ during the Last Supper. 3. The Angelicans don't have valid orders. 4. Catholics DO NOT believe apostilc succession only comes through St. Peter.

[@AquinasBased]

The orientals reject the council of chalcedon so they are schismatics

[@thebalkanhistorian.3205]

Apostolic succession of oriental church is not valid in some of them as they schismed with the true church

[@stefanspinu434]

The orientals have split off from the main church at chalcedon. Further, the video is focused on these two.

[@heistbros8575]

He and the spirit, but started yapping just a bit.

[@jesush.christ69]

Orthodox will stop at nothing to spread falsehoods about other denominations. I have just gotten into this loop of Orthodox Shorts and it’s a common theme.

[@claytonhall989]

Catholic here. May the Lord bless all of my Orthodox brothers and sisters. I continue to hope for an end of the schism and that we may become one again.

[@sammygomes7381]

No problem as both of you can be born-again and become Christians.

[@unclepierreforpm5733]

Bless you, Christians need more of this and less division.

[@mabroni]

With the Errors in their teachings and doctrines, Catholics are better off without them.

[@ld1238]

18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

[@jamessmith4009]

We are all believer's un christ.

[@richardounjian9270]

1. Catholics don't claim Apostolic succession is only through Peter. 2. In 1896 Pope Leo XIII declared the Anglican priestly orders were null and void due to severe deviation from the Apostolic faith. 3. Peter was an Apostle. He was, therefore, a bishop. 4. It is the Catholic Church, not Roman Catholic Church. Thanks and God bless

[@Chadlifter]

Based and chadpilled

[@carloschavez2875]

You couldn't have said it better. I respect this priest, but he got a handful of things wrong.

[@初春-y2n]

no its the roman catholic church. the orthodox church is the catholic church. Modern day catholicism is a cult centered around one person in Rome, Peter never claimed to be a dictator with infallible word and universal jurisdiction

[@harispaterakis917]

But they believe Peter was the first Pope and the rock of the church, something that historical is wrong and the first fathers of the church and saints had explained before the great schism who the really rock was.

[@richardounjian9270]

@@harispaterakis917 the "rock" argument is weak. It was only raised by the protestants. Even if you go with Jesus being the big rock and peter is the small rock it doesn't negate the keys. Even to this day, the Pope is called the "Vicar of Christ ". Jesus is the King. The Pope is only his earthly representative. Big rock= King, small rock = representative. No problem. Stop deluding yourself!

[@troylobatos7078]

Look the main thing is that Jesus is lord and we should just encourage our brothers and sisters to love each other and strive for a relationship with our creator.

[@lahn2196]

Finally, common sense.

[@triggered8556]

Its not that simple, "narrow is the gate"

[@triggered8556]

@PaladinOf-888 you can say it all you want, that doesn’t change the fact most people are lukewarm Christian’s.

[@triggered8556]

@PaladinOf-888 none of that is dogma, and you don’t have the normative authority to claim that.

[@triggered8556]

@PaladinOf-888I’m not catholic lmao. I’m Orthodox, and you can say you don’t care all you want, but you don’t have normative authority, you don’t have justification.

[@1llusionzz]

I think it would be incredibly beautiful and world changing if Both Churches could unite

[@triggered8556]

The Roman Church would have to reject a lot of their heterodox beliefs.

[@quindariousgooch88]

yea but first the roman church has to abolish papacy and other heresies

[@JR-ld1et]

The Roman Catholicism church is based on things that are not biblical and some are idol worship …. You don’t pray to saints , you dont pray to Mary or Peter or Paul or James . Jesus said no one comes to the father but by me !!! It even says to not pray to statues of Jesus . . .

[@lanesmith1465]

That would require the Orthodox go quit looking down their nose at the rest of Christiandom. Both the Catholic Church and the initial Reformation denominations have a positive view of the Orthodox Church, but the feeling is not mutual.

[@triggered8556]

@@lanesmith1465 I think you’re misrepresenting the errors of over zealous orthodox people (most likely new converts)

[@justythrasher]

There is only one way to the Father in Heaven and that is through our Lord and Saviour Jesus of Nazareth ❤

[@zechtasker9068]

Amen.

[@JayWalker-qj1kv]

Amen

[@billhesse1204]

That's right! You must eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus> John 6:54

[@justythrasher]

@@billhesse1204 ‭ John 6:32-35 [32] Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. [33] For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” [34] Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.” [35] And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

[@stevekim2194]

What are you talking about? Jesus should be the only topic.

[@FREEMAN....]

The Catholic Church doesn't deny the Orthodox Church is Apostolic. Just as Apostolic as the Catholic Church. We know it is without the shadow of a doubt because we know we once were one. The Catholic Church considers Sacraments in the Orthodox Church valid and that the Christ is truly present in the Eucharist during the Orthodox liturgy. As many pointed it out, Catholics don't claim the that Apostolic succession comes from Saint Peter exclusively but that Saint Peter was appointed the leader of the Apostles and this is where the Bishop of Rome's primacy originates in. God bless ✝️🙏☦️

[@frankesposito2182]

Well spoken ..... I'm Catholic too.

[@MRJM144]

Someday everyone will realize that the church has nothing to do with men’s traditions or genealogy of apostolic tradition but of an obedience to Christ as those who gather to worship and follow him.

[@PrairieDogFan]

Please tell them.

[@alanambriz5320]

There’s a reason why you get to believe that, and it’s because the gospel spread over the worl through the Catholic Church friend, and one day you will realize how important church is. God bless

[@tamarinds]

One would hope.

[@geordiewishart1683]

Alan, the modern Roman Catholic church is nothing like the early church. Did the early church seek to become a sovereign nation, to have its own army, political corps and bank? Did it seek to amass countless billions in wealth? The early church did not have the role of priest. And it did not decree that the church officers should be celibate. The early church did not consider itself to be above the secular laws of the land and to use this immunity as a way of protecting paedophiles and sodomites. The early church did not burn people for wanting to translate and read the Bible in their own native tongue.

[@alanambriz5320]

@@geordiewishart1683 The church is the union between God and man, it means that even with all the power that it has it will also have his bad things, that’s where the man part take place. I don’t see any problem with church if it gets to be a nation by itself, and also of having money, that money help a lot of people and also help the church to provide to the priest with everything that they need, there might be a point in history where church use his power and money for wrong porpoises, but it doesn’t mean that everything in church is wrong, it means that humans are involve with it. Or you will say that Orthodox Church and Protestants are always making good? Or are you saying that Jesus didn’t know that we (and him) will create the Catholic Church because of what he says? Are you saying that he send Luther to correct something? You need to think more about it, not just what you hear on Facebook or instagram, is not that simple.

[@johnshaff]

“And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.” Mathew 16:18 Jesus said “my church” will be built by Peter, not James. It’s seems evident to me, although I can be wrong, that James, like all the Apostles were a part of the one Church built through Peter as was evidenced by the next verse where Jesus gives Peter specifically “keys of the kingdom of heaven.”

[@anthonypolonkay2681]

The rock jesus referred to was what Peter previously had said to Jesus. Jesus asked Peter "who do you say that I am?" And Peter replied "you are the one true son of god" Jesus then tells him "blessed are you Peter, for the world hath not revealed this to you, but my father who is in heaven," And after that he states that "you are Peter, and on this rock I will build a church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" The rock being referred to is belief in jesus christ as the true son of god, not Peter the apostle. The interpretation that he is referring to Peter as the rock comes from the fact that the Greek word for rock "Petra" is very close phonetically to the name Peter. Wich is a neat literary thing, but that is by no means a solid basis to build religious dogma on that you tell people they are anathema if they don't believe it.

[@johnshaff]

@@anthonypolonkay2681 yours is a very old critique, to speak it so confidently. Yet both of our limited wisdoms have been preceded by literally thousands of Catholic saints stretching back to the early church fathers, who knew the apostles and followed after them. These were wise and learned scholars who didn’t have the distractions of the modern world but instead devoted their life to theological scholarly work. You might want to visit, even a modicum of their writings on the very thing you say, before you place your intellect above theirs, or your experience (far removed from theirs) above there experience in the early church. Furthermore, unlike schismatic sects, the Catholic Church has records going all the way back to the apostles themselves. The first pope to follow Saint Peter was Pope Saint Linus. Linus was the immediate successor to Saint Peter, making him the second Bishop of Rome, or Pope. His pontificate is dated to c. AD 67-76. The early Church’s records on the succession of bishops are not entirely clear, but Linus’ role as Peter’s successor is affirmed in writings by early Church Fathers such as Irenaeus and Eusebius.

[@triggered8556]

All of the disciples received the "keys". And no where in the early church do we see Papal/Vatican I themes.

[@Psychosis1179]

@@johnshaff Your Catholic, prize champion, Augustine, disagrees with you. Ironically, his position is the same position that protestants have. Take the L. The confession of Peter is what the church is built on, and the foundation of such, being Jesus, and the apostles. And I can send quotes to back this up.

[@johnshaff]

Not sure where the L is I’m supposed to take. Catholic doctrine is not derived from a single Saint, but rather is a continuous passage of what we call the deposit of faith of the Magisterium. St. Augustines thoughts on the Pope being first among equals, was from the late 4th century, before the doctrine of Papal supremacy was first established in the 5th century and continued to be developed, through various Saints of the Magisterium first being Pope Saint Leo I, and continuing through most notably St. Thomas Aquinas, etc. But hey, feel free to drop any quotes you like. It won’t change any Catholic minds on how doctrine is developed, or what doctrine is now. @@Psychosis1179

[@gotetsu789]

Simon Peter(Cephas) On this rock I will build my Church

[@VICTORYorSOVNGARDE]

Beautifully said. Both churches are beautiful and have served humanity greatly throughout history

[@johnmay-wn7qe]

Christ is my priest

[@mystdragon8530]

Not really relevant since we all know Jesus is the head priest.

[@bugs825]

​@mystdragon8530 It is when you pray to humans. Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father once you commit that first sin. That one sin should damn you for eternity. Jesus is the only hope and he warns against praying to dead people.

[@johnmay-wn7qe]

⁠@@bugs825. Bugs, read your Bible. You’re not condemned for eternity. Jesus saves.

[@Hannodb1961]

​@@mystdragon8530Priests are mediator s between man and God. They were necesary in the old covenant, but in the new covenant, Jesus fulfilled that role and made the priesthood superfluous. Thats the entire point of the book of Hebrews. The reintroduction of priests in Christianity is herecy and an insult to Christ.

[@Ralph_Malph]

The Catholic and Orthodox Church have so much in common. Hopefully, the political differences that separate the churches will one day be sorted out. 🙏

[@Hope_Boat]

Easy : return to the orthodox faith

[@frankesposito2182]

Only by God's spirit

[@lindaismail4811]

Upon this "rock" I build my church, chosen by The Father

[@geordiewishart1683]

Simon's confession that Jesus is Christ, the son of the living God, is the rock upon which the church is built.

[@lindaismail4811]

Yes

[@Psychosis1179]

@@lindaismail4811even Augustine acknowledges that Matthew 16:18 is not literal and his work is a slap in the face to Catholicism. The foundation of the church is Christ and the Apostles and it is built upon faith which was first pronounced by Peter(God given) thus is why he has “primacy” over the others as Peter was the first member of this church. Peter was the first representative of the church and later, more followed. These keys given are the Gospel which lose and bind one from heaven. It is not a divine right bestowed upon a man, for everyone within the church is granted this. I can send Augustine quotes if need be.

[@wouspor1804]

no, it was Jesus, The Son of God, The Logos, The Word of God who said it. not The Father, are you an unitarian? do you not believe in the Trinity?

[@tna2me197]

@@geordiewishart1683YES! And amen. Thank you for making this comment. The entire “pope” concept is so messed up.

[@wildman4126]

First time I have heard an Orthodox priest speak about this in a factual manner. We share the Apostolic tradition. The original sees of the church was in the Pentarchy which was the Apostolic sees of Rome, Alexandria, Constantinople, Antioch and Jerusalem. The Papacy was defined by Christ in Matthew 16 when he was given primacy or he made "First among equals." God Bless him!

[@jimgardner5173]

I respectfully disagree. Not all Catholics are Roman Catholic. There are 23 Eastern Catholic Churches and one Western Catholic Church all within six liturgical rites. Eastern Catholics recognize the Pope even though they are not in the Latin Rite. The apostles spread the Truth about Jesus in multiple directions. The Catholic Church is broad and encompasses more than the Roman Catholic Church which is one of six rites. Five of the rites being Eastern and one rite being Western. Eastern Catholic Rites: -Alexandrian Rite -Armenian Rite -Byzantine Rite -East Syriac Rite -West Syriac Rite Western Catholic Rite -Latin Rite (aka Roman Catholic Church) As a practicing Catholic in the Latin Rite, I may worship in a Maronite Catholic Church (West Syriac Rite) and receive the Eucharist. We don’t believe apostolic succession came from St. Peter alone.

[@theophanmackey3414]

Eastern rite Catholics are ~1% of the Catholic Church

[@kebronmussie-d1g]

"Great point! It's interesting how discussions often focus on the Catholic Church, but the similarities between the Oriental Orthodox and the Eastern Orthodox traditions are quite striking. In many ways, the shared heritage, liturgical practices, and theological nuances between the Oriental Orthodox and the Eastern Orthodox communities deserve more attention. It's a reminder that the rich tapestry of Christian traditions extends beyond what's commonly highlighted. Let's celebrate the commonalities that unite us and foster a deeper understanding of our diverse faith traditions."

[@martinmolloy7747]

Catholic Church teaches that Apostolic Succession comes from all the Apostles not just Peter! Peter is the head of the Church and this is even acknowledged in the first eight ecumenical Council a!

[@triggered8556]

Peter wasn't the head of the Church in Acts 15, The Council of Jerusalem.

[@ZachHieronimus]

Does it matter what Catholics teach? Peter is not the head of the church, Christ is. Peter is a man, who had flesh like you and me…..Jesus is the bridegroom, and the head of the church body, none of what your saying is scriptural

[@andrewierardi4457]

Amen God Jesus Christ is The way truth & life. No one goes to the father but through Christ. I once was a protestant and now I am orthodox

[@rileyp1419]

Same here.

[@blake9358]

​@@rileyp1419The orthodox church falsely teaches works salvation, the apostle Paul said that we are saved by grace through faith not by works lest any should boast Ephesians 2; 8 The Lutheran church is far more accurate because they hold to the apostles doctrine.

[@Flame1500]

@@blake9358 There’s so many instances in the bible where believers have true faith yet will be rejected. Please don’t deceive yourself, martin luther said “sin boldly” that is not the language of the bible

[@darkshadows95rom]

You say Jesus is the only way but then you imply that the ortodox church is the way. What's the correct answer?

[@triggered8556]

@@blake9358 Cherrypicking and misusing a single quote from Paul is disingenuous. You have to look at all of Pauls letters in context, as well as what the early church believed.

[@dariodesansebastian]

Tradcath here. I only respect and hold in great esteem the Apostolic churches, the 5 original patriarchates. I don't know which one is right to claim it's the first one, but I see mote devotion in my Orthodox brothers than in Catholic churches here. I attend mass in Latin, I was lucky to find a traditional church. In my country there are less than 10 traditional Roman Catholic churches with Latin mass. Orthodoxy didn't water down traditions like the Catholic church did in Vatican in 1962, you guys didn't have the huge power fights that popes have historically had. Huge respect to my Orthodox brothers and sisters, I wish we could leave the schism in the past and unite. The 12 apostles worked together, we should too! Gloria in excelsis Deo 🙏🏻

[@triggered8556]

Watch some Jay Dyer if you want your tradcat views challenged

[@liamcroatt171]

​@@triggered8556oof. Jay Dyer is hardly representative of the Eastern tradition.

[@triggered8556]

@@liamcroatt171 why do you say that?

[@liamcroatt171]

@@triggered8556 full disclosure here, Eastern Catholic, not Orthodox, but I've heard Orthodox express the same opinion for similar reasons. On the one end, as an Eastern Catholic, his assessment of the failures of the Catholic Church are some of the most ridiculous I've heard from any Orthodox. I have my own issues with how the Catholic Church operates even if I have theological agreements with the Eastern tradition within her, but basically the only accusations that make me roll my eyes harder come from Protestants, and I mean that in the most loving way possible. But more importantly, I find him to be cowardly in his engagements with apologists who he has disagreements with and I think his conduct with clergy he has a problem with lacks saintly virtue. Thanks for being charitable with me by the way. I've had Orthodox and Protestants get pretty hostile with me even over minor disagreements, like I'm coming to the religious beliefs I have on a high. It's always nice to meet someone online who actually treats you well. 🤣🤣🤣

[@triggered8556]

@@liamcroatt171 So you just dont like him personally? Give me a reason why other than, "hes mean". It seems that his arguments against the papacy are pretty straightforward and reasonable; and his debates are professional for the most part. Just because some orthodox dont like him, doesn't discredit him. The chanter at my Church was one who recommended him to me! Also, as a Catholic, what business is it of you to say who, and who isn't, a good orthodox representative?

[@slobodanmilosevic7487]

Please correct the Saint Peter and Saint James error that's the only issue . Some people wrote that all 12 Apostles were all bishops

[@DanielJosephPaul]

Church is the body of born again believers, not a building, or the title of a religion.

[@TheVelvetTV_Riesenglied]

Exactly the church is the body of Christ

[@vertiasluxmea]

Where does it say that in scripture?? 😂 its the Body of christ, the Church he established is the Catholic Church on peter the rock.

[@vertiasluxmea]

@PaladinOf-888 yea i don’t deny that ??

[@DanielJosephPaul]

@AceTM- Romans 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. ----- Peter is part of the Church, but he is certainly not the main foundation of the Church, Jesus Christ is. The Apostle Paul said this under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. 1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; ----- The Catholics have given Peter the position of being a Pope, and having authority to forgive sins. Where is that in the scriptures? There is no such teachings for a Pope, there is only one mediator between man and God. Not the Pope, Mary, or any Saints. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Mark 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? ---- You are defending the Catholic organization it appears. Show me the teachings of a Pope in the word of God, and his authority to forgive sins.

[@ericwhitemore5922]

And the Catholic Church believes in purgatory there's no where in the King James Bible talks about this false place

[@superduck6456]

I don’t believe we say apostolic tradition only comes through Peter though.

[@triggered8556]

Only the Pope can elect Bishops in the RCC.

[@clipdump]

@@triggered8556probably better that way

[@triggered8556]

@@clipdump why? That’s how the church functioned in the first millennium.

[@triggered8556]

@@clipdump why? That’s how the church functioned in the first millennium.

[@triggered8556]

@@clipdump why? That’s how the church functioned in the first millennium.

[@terrapax8554]

There is only ONE TRUE CHURCH, according to the WORD of God: the Ekklesia, the called-out, the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ. One Body with many members, the congregation of true believers, NOT a Religion, but a Relationship, the family of Christ.

[@tshanky3]

Yes exactly. And we are saved by grace through faith. I wish everyone would be able to see the one true church you’re referring to.

[@mv.112]

I wonder why Jesus and his apostles set up churches with apostolic succession, laying of hands, and strict organization, if what you’re claiming is true 😂

[@tshanky3]

@@mv.112have you read the Bible?

[@BrewMeister27]

​@@tshanky3In Matthew 18, Jesus instructs Christians to appeal to the Church for rulings on disputes. Imagine a scenario where a young couple has their first child. The husband, from a Lutheran background, wants to baptize the baby. But his wife, a Baptist, wants to wait for the child to choose baptism. Practically speaking, how would a couple bring this dispute to the Church?

[@lanesmith1465]

That's a creed and a dogma at the same time. That is a religion.

[@ethandempsey9974]

Howdy! I love this channel! I (Anglo-Catholic) just wanted to say the Anglican Church sees itself as a tradition of apostolic succession with the beginning of the church in the British Isles (around 70AD) our claim has never been to be the “original” rather just a humble part from the larger Apostolic church beginning at Pentecost :D

[@danhanlon8260]

God's grace does not come to those who are first but who speaks the truth

[@007Seraphim]

I have already chosen the Orthodox church and I'm very happy❤

[@blake9358]

Be aware that most orthodox churches falsely teach works salvation when in fact the apostle Paul taught that we are saved by grace through faith not by works lest any should boast Ephesians 2;8. The Lutheran church is more accurate

[@triggered8556]

@@blake9358 LMAO

[@boognlady]

The church is the body of believers not a religion claiming to be “first”. Jesus is the Savior not a particular church. His word guides us.

[@5luelight726]

What does it matter what church is the oldest? As if they could not have become corrupted over time. You’re a part of Christ’s true church & body if he’s called you and you live for him. Denomination does not matter.

[@JoshuaChildofGod]

Actually the first Church was the Lords Church you see he said to Peter Upon this Rock ill build my Church he didn't say the Catholic Church or the Orthodox Church or Baptist or Methodist etc. He said His Church and he will not Establish His Church until His Second Coming Inwhich is where all believers will meet him in the Air.

[@stevemyers4967]

well said.

[@swimmerfish34]

This is such a misunderstanding of what Protestants actually believe. Protestants also trace our first bishops back to the Apostles. It's our history too.

[@halo0360]

They act like somehow Protestants just sprung from nowhere.

[@hemistyle8580]

I never understand why someone would tell a priest about your sins when it's between you and God and not the priest.

[@AVKingJamesBible]

Because far too many people never actually read the Bible for themselves. Then there are others who take passages grossly out of context and also ignore the totality of Scripture. The other poster (iamforulive) is a good example of just this. He has absolutely no clue what he’s talking about. He’s a sad example of the damage that false teachers and churches can do. You can give people a Bible but sadly you can’t make them read it.

[@AVKingJamesBible]

@@Iamforulive friend, in all sincerity I pray you see the light before it’s too late. In your own KZbin description you admit you are “trying to make your way to the Father”. That statement alone tells me how misguided (and likely still lost) you are. You may be very well intentioned and I commend you for that, but you’re missing it. You DO NOT appear to actually understand Scripture, nor the gospel, nor what actually saves a person. I can’t make you believe and I can’t remove your spiritual blinders. I can only suggest you get a Bible and actually READ IT FOR YOURSELF! I wish you well.

[@iuva2]

That's the problem with our Protestant brothers. You say Sola Scriptura but without the Holy Tradition, that you reject, you can't read the scripture properly Much love from a Catholic

[@Unpluggedx89]

You'd understand it if you read the Bible without an American education

[@AVKingJamesBible]

@@iuva2 I’m astonished, and saddened, that so many Roman Catholics choose to ignore actual Biblical Scripture (or just don’t know it) and support a church that purports to be followers of Jesus and His Bible, yet has DANGEROUSLY departed from actual Biblical Christian doctrine in MANY CRITICAL areas! If Roman Catholicism claims to follow Christ and His Bible, then start teaching and FOLLOWING the Bible. Stop teaching things that CONTRADICT what The Bible actually says. We really shouldn’t need to even be having this discussion. Who would have thought that simply FOLLOWING THE BIBLE would be controversial for Christians? If we as Christians claim to be followers of Christ then FOLLOW WHAT HIS BIBLE SAYS! The Bible needs NO additions. It needs NO subtractions. If the Bible says it, believe it and own it! If something speaks CONTRARY to The Bible we are called as Christians to “contend for the faith” and speak out AGAINST heresy. “Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” ‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:3‬ ‭ “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:11‬ ‭ If we claim to be followers of Christ, simply follow and believe what He said was true! Trust in HIM, NOT in man made “religion” Following is a summarized paragraph with references found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) of many of the false teachings of Roman Catholicism. How do we know they are false? By comparing Scripture with what is taught. The Catholic Church is the one true church (CCC 2105), Infallibility of the Catholic Church, (CCC 2035), Only the Roman Catholic Church has authority to interpret Scripture (CCC 100), The Pope is the head of the church and has the authority of Christ (CCC 2034), The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation (CCC 846), Sacred Tradition equal to scripture (CCC 82), Forgiveness of sins, salvation, is by faith and works (CCC 2036 CCC 2080 2068), Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3), Grace can be merited (CCC 2010 CCC 2027), The merit of Mary and the Saints can be applied to Catholics and others (1477), Penance is necessary for salvation (CCC 980), Purgatory (CCC 1031 CCC 1475), Indulgences (CCC 1471 CCC 1478 CCC 1498 CCC 1472), Mary is Mediatrix (CCC 969), Mary brings us the gifts of eternal salvation (CCC 969), Mary delivers souls from death (CCC 966), Prayer to the saints (CCC 2677), The Communion elements become the actual body and blood of Christ (CCC 1374 CCC 1376). At the Council of Trent, the Roman Catholic Church declared the Gospel that THE APOSTLES preached..... an anathema. In Session 6. Canons XXIV, IX, XII, XVIII, XIX, XX, XXVII, XXIX, XXX, and XXII. I urge anyone reading this to look this up. You will see it’s true. Satan has blinded the eyes of millions and millions of Catholics. I pray for them often.......... The Bible says..... “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” ‭‭ Galatians‬ ‭1:8-9‬ ‭ Roman Catholicism ABSOLUTELY preaches a “different gospel” and is guilty of this passage from Galatians. ACCURSED! That’s a pretty serious charge. Those are The Apostle Paul’s God Inspired words. Again, The Bible disagrees with MANY of Roman Catholicism’s teachings. Rome’s problem is with THE BIBLE, not me. I’m simply praying for you that you see the beautiful Light and Glory of the pure and true gospel before it’s too late. I didn’t write the message, I’m simply a messenger. Get in your Bibles everyone. Read it, believe it, own it, defend it! Preach the entirety of The Bible with grace, mercy and truth and point the lost to Jesus! I don’t say this to argue, I say this because it’s the truth and the truth matters. Doctrine matters. Salvation matters. I honestly pray for you all. Please, in the quiet of your heart ask yourselve, Why do many of Rome’s teachings CONTRADICT The Bible??? Put your trust in God, NOT Rome. “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” ‭‭ Colossians‬ ‭2:8‬ ‭ One last thing Below is a post I copied from the “pope”. Anyone who actually does study the Bible will know how incredibly unbiblical and wrong it is. “Mary is not only the bridge joining us to God; she is more. She is the road that God travelled to reach us, and the road that we must travel in order to reach him”. This blasphemous statement was written on the “pope’s” Twitter account. March 25th 2021 at 5:31 am. I urge everyone to look it up for themselves. It is not only unbiblical but is an absolute insult to The Lord Jesus Christ. My heart breaks for the millions of people that Roman Catholicism has blinded. I pray that you see God’s truth before it’s too late.

[@maxheinrichliebow]

Thank you Fr thats a great simple explanation!

[@michaeldalto2862]

The Apostles and Catholics were first....

[@Philotheist777]

Antioch was first appointed by Peter, also every church mentioned in the New Testament are orthodox expect for Rome

[@Philotheist777]

Yea and John, Phillip, Andrew died in Greek lands

[@kekort2]

But what about the original Jewish believers? Were they not the church?

[@mattthetrucker5585]

This is what kills me. Catholics will say “look to scripture” and you see “upon this rock I will build my church”. This line is what the Catholics use to justify why they should rule, and have a pope. Look at the very next verse in any Bible and what does it say? Peter decides he can call the shots and Jesus tells him “get behind me Satan”. This is prophetic. Catholics, Don’t take your position of leadership and morph it into a position of authority. You aren’t in charge, you aren’t the head. Christ is.

[@jeremyhill9720]

You're being intellectually dishonest and disingenuous. The following verses do not point to Peter trying to use his authority over God, it is for his love of Christ that he tries to convince Jesus not to go to his death, to claim that Peter would believe he has authority over God is the most foolish thing I've heard. Peter wants Jesus to be the Messiah dictated in the old testament, the political and warlike figure that will conquer the nations of the earth, and not until crucifixion does Peter learn the lesson that Christ came to teach, Peter is still of a Jewish mindset. What you have a hard time understanding and contending with is the fact that Peter is given the full authority of the church by Christ, and you trying to offer the next verse as some sort of rebuke against him shows that you have little faith, as if God didn't know what was in Peter's heart. Jesus rebukes him for not fully trusting in him at that moment, knowing the great and holy man that Peter would become. And to the point of the video, no other Apostle is given the authority that Peter is given by Christ, the keys to the kingdom, for this reason and many more, Peter is the first Bishop and pope, and the responsibility of leadership was with him.

[@mattthetrucker5585]

@@jeremyhill9720 yes, on the first part. He did both. His love for Christ blinded him. I don’t doubt any Catholic’s love for Christ. It’s not his authority over God so much that is the issue as it is overreaching. The Papacy is an overreach, they went beyond their authority, just as Peter tried to. Now on the keys of the kingdom, this is understood to be directed at Peter, and I’m A-ok with that being the case. I venerate St. Peter as any other saint, but the purpose of the “get behind me” line was to show that even he who was given authority must not overreach, must not let their love, pride, earthly ideas of what needs to happen override what the Lord intended. I’m not calling for people to leave Catholicism, only to correct their leaders and remodel one of the very few aspects where the Church has failed. Easiest evidence, if you’re one to believe the Bible as I do, is testing them. “By their fruits you shall know them.” Rainbow shawls, female priests, physically elevating the Pope so he always is looking down on the faithful, just go through the New Testament and see the guidelines given to early church leaders and see if the Catholics are being faithful. And sadly, I believe most are, but the leadership is forcing them to become worldly. “Do not be of this world.”

[@bratmucha]

Let's just say that Jesus gave Peter the authority over church. What makes Catholics think, that he would have successors? Jesus didn't mean Peter as the rock, because the name Peter means "a piece of rock"; wouldn't it be weird? Also wouldn't he just say: "on you I'm gonna build"? Of course he wouldn't because it's stupid. The church is built on Christ, on our faith in him. On the fact, that God reveals the truth and not the flesh and blood. On God. Matthew 16:17. Always read context. Don't be cheated by people who show you some verse and add to it their own philosophy. Galatians 1:7. Also, don't trust me. God bless you.

[@thegentleman7838]

​@@bratmucha Jesus didn't call Simon "Peter" the original language of the Gospel of Matthew is Aramaic and they have one word for rock: kepha, which IS what Jesus called Simon. "You are "kepha" and upon this "kepha" I will build my church"

[@bratmucha]

@@thegentleman7838 oh, that's right. Still we are the church and we know that it is built upon Christ and not Peter, 1 Corinthians 1:12,13

[@Max-sn7pc]

Thoughts regarding the Oriental Orthodox such as the Coptic one? Do you view that as a historical church, since it was founded by St. Mark?

[@jkoblivion4175]

I keep this videos for when i really need a laugh. please keep it up. Comedy is a relief and we all need it.

[@AlexartCorp]

It is funny how they really think their claims to be legit.

[@mabroni]

I have been listening to the Orthodoxy church, and the more I listen, the more disappointed I become. I am glad I am Catholic. At no time was St. James ever the first bishop. Even Jesus built his church on Peter and not James. Smh.

[@Philotheist777]

@@mabroniAntioch before Rome

[@Philotheist777]

@@AlexartCorpit’s funny the pope kissed the Quran, also that the first church in the New Testament is Antioch. The tomb of Jesus was always under orthodox rule and still largely is 😂

[@Philotheist777]

@@mabronihe was bishop of Jerusalem , also Peter created Antioch before Rome

[@woy6093]

Hey, agreeing with you yet I have some questions to clarify, why choosing to follow 7 councils and stop here ? Isn't it more logical to foll9w either no councils or all ? Thanks for the answers

[@joshrakestraw5580]

This is the argument of Pharisees and scribes.

[@JWard-Eire]

RC here in Ireland. I'd love to know more about Orthodoxy.

[@oneperson5760]

Jesus founded His church on Peter.

[@user-gv9my3jy4b]

Absolutely wrong. You need some help understanding scripture, please look to Rabbi kirt Schneider and the discovery the jewish jesus ministry. The 'rock' jesus refers to is spiritual revelation, as he says 'blessed are you because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you but my father in heaven, and I say you are peter, and upon this rock I will build my church' ... dude the 'rock' is not the guy who denies him three times as predicted mere days later... it just goes entirely against all of jesus teachings, one Man is absolutely nothing, why would he mean that? The rock is the gift of the spirit which only the elect can see and receive.. I see this issue totally across the board with catholics or orthodox, they have very, very little understanding of scripture.

[@7x779]

Sectarianism Is Carnal 1And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. 2I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; 3for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and [a]behaving like mere men? 4For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?

[@thegentleman7838]

​@@user-gv9my3jy4bif peter is not the rock Jesus built his Church on, why change his name?

[@Psychosis1179]

@@thegentleman7838he was the first one to acknowledge His divinity and first to enter the church-as explained by Augustine

[@thegentleman7838]

@@Psychosis1179 Jesus changed St Peter's name to rock because he will be the foundation of the Church BECAUSE of his profession of Faith. He is the foundation that upholds that belief in the Church and around the world.

[@Danfigueroamateo3870]

I was thinking about if I should go to my old church or stay in the Catholic Church. God has answered, thanks God.

[@gamnamoo6195]

If RC church and Orthodox church claim some sort of institutional succession, both are wrong. Jesus's church is built upon Peter's confession "You are the Christ, you are the Son of the living God." Any church that cherishes this confession is the authentic church of Jesus Christ.

[@franknwogu4911]

the orthodox claim they are built on peters confession

[@stevemyers4967]

well said gamn. the profession of faith is what Christ was talking about.

[@michellemcdonald5237]

I knew the church had some separation in 1054 or something like that but never knew this information before. Interesting! I love the orthodox faith! ❤

[@jaredg5663]

When someone says their church is the original one, and everyone else is out of the boat, just keep walking

[@joshuagarber3576]

I don’t think he’s denying believers of other denominations their Christianhood but saying that the Orthodox Church is as closer to replicating the worship that Jesus did. Now I’m not a fan of saying this church is the first/true church because it feels pretentious for someone to say they are apart of the best church. In some ways it is great to see Christians so happy and content with their church that they believe it is the best way to worship but I believe it is wrong to think other ways of worship are inferior because they don’t fit your worship style.

[@jaredg5663]

@@joshuagarber3576 well officially they do reject anyone outside their organization

[@joshuagarber3576]

@@jaredg5663 I don't think they reject Catholics as Christians but maybe they do

[@FilmnAura]

@@jaredg5663they don’t reject others. It’s just speaking facts. Historically orthodox and Roman Catholics can rightfully claim to be the first church. You just need to look into which ones have changed the original doctrines and strayed away from original traditions. Obviously today there are so many people that don’t believe in the holy traditions. They don’t even know about orthodoxy. People think reading your Bible is enough but that’s not what people were taught back then to worship God.

[@jaredg5663]

@@FilmnAura No, Eastern Orthodox anathemitize those whom reject that The Holy Spirit doesn't proceed from the Father alone (essentially and hypostaticly). So Rome is out. Also those who don't believe Mary was a virgin before, during and after child birth are anathema. So Protestants too. They also cleary teach that the Bible derrives its authority from the church. So essentially the Word of God submits to the East. And not everyone should read the Scriptures. Sad

[@miriamaguilar7977]

I choose Orthodox and love my learning of the spiritual peace it gives me. I am blessed with my church community.

[@vendingdudes]

"No one else has the claim... Mormons enter the chat.

[@stefanspinu434]

Mormons have changed their core doctrines multiple times, started when a guy named Joseph Smith, who used magical stones to find treasure as a career before this, was contacted by an angel to a new gospel, just like Galatians 1:8. Orthodox and Catholic have roots back to the first century.

[@outdoorsnevada4138]

Pretty sure they claim that Peter, James, and John gave them the authority to lead the church. So if that were true.... I mean they would be a third to claim it

[@TheAlexagius]

Mormons are not Christian though

[@lrw6447]

Mormons aren’t Christian

[@tylermorton1]

As a Protestant I wanna agree on the first part. Orthodox and Roman Catholic can have that one. I’ve talked to other Protestants before and they said that we (Protestant) were the start. I said brother you know we came from Roman Catholicism right?! Oh what a conversation that was. Open minded I don’t think is the right term here. But I do think about the day where we are all united again as one in Christ. Singing praise to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. ❤

[@gunshotlagoon922]

I am an Eastern Catholic.

[@PatGeo95]

Same! Romanian eastern Catholic. 🇷🇴🇻🇦

[@liamcroatt171]

Being an Eastern Catholic is just about the best decision I ever made. Everyone forgets we exist, but it's always gonna be home. I'm Ruthenian.

[@FilmnAura]

@@liamcroatt171yall still submit to the pope

[@liamcroatt171]

@@FilmnAura We do, we're fully Catholic. We're doing what the early fathers charged of us.

[@FilmnAura]

@@liamcroatt171 pope is a heretic. And the church fathers never told anyone to submit to him and deem the pope as infallible

[@PremiereHell]

Guard yourself from idols. We don't need any items to prove God's love or are love for him.

[@franknwogu4911]

what are you talking about?

[@propagandist2311]

Jesus Christ is my church. Jesus Christ is my savior. a lot of people seem to forget that.

[@FREEMAN....]

👈 Evangelical "non denominational" Protestantism

[@Tpowers-z5v]

As an American Anglican Christian I firmly believe my tradition is connected to the founding of Christs church through apostolic succession. Granted there are major differences in practice and theology between high and low churches within the Anglican communion the line is unbroken through the laying on of hands. Our service and liturgy reflect that closeness to the founding and is taught as our belief in “one holy and apostolic church”. I love your content even though we might disagree on this one point. 🙏🙏🙏

[@apan990]

your church originated coz henry got pissed off at the pope coz he wouldnt let him shag another woman lol. no offense, but theres no apostolic succession found in the anglican church, especially not when theyve got female bishops lol.

[@Mosesthewhiteboy]

Amen. I didn't know saint James was a bishop before peter. Yet another reason I'm glad I became Orthodox

[@jeremymaffei4034]

Don’t believe everything you hear on the internet

[@Snowbeard]

Which is why I choose The Way, a first century movement within the Jewish Faith. Which precedes the supersessionistic movment of the second century and the Wessex Gospels concept of Church as established with the word Circe near the tenth century.

[@jamesgrimes6795]

So when Jesus built His church on Peter the first Pope He was just playing??? Come on man.

[@triggered8556]

How do you get from that, all the way to Vatican I? Also, Jesus gave all the apostles the same power Peter had. The early Church doesn't agree with you.

[@jamesgrimes6795]

@@triggered8556 I’ll follow Jesus and His church, pope and all. Thank you sir.

[@triggered8556]

@@jamesgrimes6795 Ya, seems to be working out great with Pope Francis lol. enjoy the clown masses

[@jamesgrimes6795]

@@triggered8556 “for you are Peter and upon this rock I will build My church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it…..you think Jesus church has never had a bad pope? Even St Paul rebuked St Peter. But I will stay with Jesus church and stay in full communion with His church and His sacraments. Nothing like a true non believer that turns his back on Jesus church because of human sinfulness.

[@triggered8556]

@@jamesgrimes6795 St. Peter is an Orthodox Saint. Also, acts 15, like you quoted, goes against Vatican I. The Vatican has said that the Orthodox have valid sacraments and apostolic succession. Rome in not in communion with the other 4 Patriarchates, Rome is in schism.

[@seven84]

You forgot about the Lutheran church

[@FourEyedFrenchman]

Saying "Roman Catholic" in a way that it is representative of the entire Catholic Church is like saying Russian Orthodoxy is representative of the entire Orthodox Church. It's a misnomer. The term "Roman Catholic" refers to the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church, which is the largest of the 23 rites in communion with the Bishop of Rome. There are Byzantine Catholics, Maronite Catholics, and so many more.

[@acekoala457]

The spittle is on the Papal slipper. Would you prefer the term Papal Catholics?

[@stefanspinu434]

Then what should we call you? Catholic just means universal, which is what every church calm themselves, so how do we distinguish you? Further, those rites are in communion with you so lumping them togheter isn't that weird.

[@FourEyedFrenchman]

@stefanspinu434 I could say the same thing. "Orthodox" just means traditionally established/accepted/approved/true. Every church claims to be orthodox, just as every church claims to be catholic.

[@stefanspinu434]

@@FourEyedFrenchman yeah, but we also differentiate ourselves as eastern orthodox when in discussion with others, so what's the problem? Everyone understands which is which, all those rites are smaller part of RC, all under your pope, so what's the huge problem? Even more the pope is the roman see, so the makes sense within that context. Most roman catholics don't mind being called that from what I've seen.

[@Hope_Boat]

You are spreading lies. The Catholic faith is based on the pretended univerlality of the Roman Church as it was explicitly proclaimed in 1075 in Dictatus Papae, just 20 years into the 1045 schism. Everyone car read Dictatus Papae on Wikipedia : No one can be called Catholic if he doesn't concur to the ROMAN Church. The ROMAN Chus has never erred and will never err in perpetuity. Only the ROMAN Pontiff car golf the ROMAN imperial Insignia and all the princes are to kiss his feet. The ROMAN Church established her univerlality on ROME not on Jesus. You can unwritte what the ROMAN Pontiffs proclaimed 'infallibly' Kyrie eleison ☦️

[@modrell86]

I pray these two great sister churches become one once more. 🙏

[@viz8746]

This is true - in fact some of the Orthodox Liturgies in Syriac/Maronite (Peshitta) are probably older than the Latin. For example the West Syriac Liturgy of St James and the East Syriac (Aramaic) Liturgies of Mar Addai and Mari whose anaphora date back at least to the Didache. So we are talking Thomas for East Syriac (influenced by Tagrit/Baghdad traditions along with Chaldean/Assyrian and further down into India) and Peter (to Ignatius) in Antioch (West).

[@MonogoMango]

East-West schism, schism of 1054. That's what I have learned from church history lessons. Both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox say the same claims as this man stated. Both have different theology compared to each other. Both can't be right.

[@Hope_Boat]

The answer was given by Christ in Luke 22:24+ when a dispute arise among the disciples about who wil become the first among the Church after Jesus departure. Jesus told them they must no lord it over the nations like the kings do and they justify their sovereignty by pretending to be benefactors. Guess what Unam Sanctam proclaimed?

[@jameslesway4993]

St.Peter was the first bishop

[@Philotheist777]

No and even then Antioch was before Rome

[@ziggylayneable]

My mother goes to an Orthodox Church. I have a lot of respect for that place

[@theresakoehler3503]

We pray for our orthodox brothers and sistrs to come home to the Catholic Church . God bless all followers of Jesus Christ ❤

[@triggered8556]

We are the Orthodox Catholic Church. We dont need the Pope. What exactly are we missing without him?

[@Philotheist777]

All the churches of revelations are in orthodox lands, all but Rome in Paul’s letters are orthodox. The tomb of Jesus was always under orthodox patriarchal influence. Pope honorius was condemned as a heretic

[@Trentschmidt16]

“And they will know that you are my disciples, by your love for one another” As long as there is division among the bride of Christ, the determination of being from Christ gets blurry at best…

[@ByZHellas]

There is only one church that has claim to the original faith and it’s Orthodoxy. Catholicism has evolved and changed far more teachings than the Orthodox could ever have dreamt of doing.

[@revo7721]

My question is so? We all are human. This doesn’t give you authority. In fact Jesus rose from the dead saying that Jesus IS the authority, not man.

[@cinelli07]

Orthox separated from Catholicism, then came back and again left.

[@carmen6465]

Read some church history books! Roman Catholic is a heresy, they split from the original church/Orthodox and even changed the dogmas/teaching of the Holy Fathers/Christ and workship the Pope=the Infallible. ONLY GOD IS INFALIBLE!

[@Hope_Boat]

The schism was imagined by Charlemagne and implemented by the second ever German pope Leo IX. It's your schism.you wanted it. You acted to make it happen and you changed everything in your Church afterwards. Liturgy, dogmas, sacraments, sacred architecture, sacred art, hierarchy, relations with temporal powers, what to behave with 'heretics', way to wage wars. You are the erring schismatics and it's becoming even more obvious since Vatican 2 and the pan-synchretism heresy. Lord have mercy on us all sinners.

[@Andy_Rocket]

I belive that, I grew up in scandinavian Luther Christian, I stopped belivibg, because all the people around me was such fake belivers, in my early30s I was a scandinavian Hindu, but I stopped beliving,Because I saw how bad people was treathing each other. And when I left that comunity..The way I got bullied.It was very painful. I got a girfriend,Who is Mexican Lutheran, but she told me she used to go to Kabala lessons, and,, Now. On sundays,or on days I neef to listen ,I end up listen to Orthodox preachers or Jewish Rabais,And,,It is something that gives me peace. Its like a grounded tone in the voice, and a realistic view on life. And this is what im looking for. Peace.and some kind of truthful reflection.

[@rebn8346]

Wow. I cant believe he dissed Christ making Peter Bishop and Pope. Catholic Church is the orginal Church. Peter was the first Pope, His Successors made it clear of thier authority.

[@Philotheist777]

Yet they changed the doctrine and Peter started Antioch before Rome, also can’t forget the Peter (Cephas) was said to be on the same levels as the others as said many times.

[@rebn8346]

@@Philotheist777 um...? Peter made converts wherever he went. The letters had codenames for Rome and places so he wouldn't get arrested if the letters were intercepted. He definitely started a church in Antioch, Father Hezachias traces his order back to St Peter. It's made clear in Scripture and Tradition that Peter was given primacy/leadership/headship over the others.

[@Philotheist777]

@@rebn8346 24 Now there was also a dispute among them, as to which of them should be considered the greatest. 25 And He said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them, and those who exercise authority over them are called ‘benefactors.’ 26 But not so among you; on the contrary, he who is greatest among you, let him be as the younger, and he who governs as he who serves. 27 For who is greater, he who sits at the table, or he who serves? Is it not he who sits at the table? Yet I am among you as the One who serves. Luke 22:24-27

[@rebn8346]

@@Philotheist777 Leaders serve. Unless you denying Jesus served as a leader? What is the Jewish meaning of greatest 2000 years ago? Being a leader or having headship...are you implying saints were inferior to other saints for submitting to their leadership? There must be a fundamental disgust for females, seeing women as inferior, or priests for obeying Bishops, with such thinking. Taking verses out of context doesn't help. What did Jesus tell Peter at the Last Supper?

[@Philotheist777]

@@rebn8346 Whosoever calls himself, or desires to be called, Universal Priest, is in his elation the precursor of antichrist.” Gregory the Great also pope

[@taliajones4969]

The first church was the church of Jesus Christ as he traveled the middle east. May God bless you and teach you the truth. Amen

[@Helden_Daddy]

Protestant here: we have many, MANY problems, I know that. Just throwing an outsiders opinion here. My (and many Protestant’s) biggest issue with Catholicism and Orthodoxy is that many times is seeks like they hold their history as a church higher than the actual faith at times. Almost any video or podcast I see with Catholics (and to be honest a lesser degree with Orthodox bc I see less of them) it always is discussing Catholics, and Catholic bishops, and Catholic saints, and Catholic history, and Catholic tradition…..with very little discussing Christ and the Gospel. Just

[@Paul-zf8ob]

The church has had almost 2,000 years of time for heresies to enter. Just because you may have started correctly doesn’t mean things haven’t been changed or added.

[@adamlekki9592]

All I see is bickering children trying to figure out who God loves more 🙏. 1 Peter 3:3-4 - Do not let your adorning be external-the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear- but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.

[@g-radm3827]

Matt 16 is very clear about this. “upon you (Rock -evinshetiyah) I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades shall not overcome it. I will give you the KEYS to the KINGDOM, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven..” what is “Rock” for the Jews what is “keys” for the Jews (Isaiah 22)

[@theophanmackey3414]

Matthew 16:23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are [a]an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

[@g-radm3827]

@@theophanmackey3414 yes, but Jesus wasn’t referring to Peter as Satan, otherwise Jesus, God must have been confused. Peter’ s refusal is seen as a “satanic attempt to deflect Jesus from the God-appointed course and the apostle is addressed in terms that recalls Jesus’ dismissal of the Devil in the Temptation account ( Matt 4:10 get away Satan”). Peter’s satanic purpose is emphasized by Matthew’s addition to the Marcan source of the word “you are an obstacle to me” . Also these events occurred way before Pentecost, real game-changer. So don’t count Peter out or think Christ must have been confused about Peter. Because in Acts, there you will see Peter’s authority being told and obeyed. The Church is an institution, in addition to being the “pillar and foundation of truth” . It has a hierarchy. The Church is also a Kingdom, God’s kingdom present and alive “on earth as in heaven.” If it’s a kingdom, it must have a King. It the King knew He was going to leave to rise up and “sit at the right hand of the father.”, and when the King is away (Isaiah 22) who takes over the reigns of the kingdom? “Upon you I will build my Church”, took them for a 2 day walk, just to talk to them about this? What’s is in Caesarea Phillipi? Why is it so important? Why did he take them there only to ask them what people think of him? It’s the land of the Gentiles, pagans. It’s as far awa from Jerusalem as you can be but still within the kingdom. It is used to be called “Paneas”, after the pagan god Pan ((half human-half goat), it is in present day southern Lebanon. There’s a “rock” there, it measures 300 ft high and 500 feet in length. Scholars believe Jesus was talking to the apostles by a hillside opposite this huge rock which dominates the landscape. It is still there today. Within this rock is a cave with hallowed out portions on its side, places for statues and images of their gods, where they can worship and offer sacrifices to them. Also inside in a deep hole in the ground, a cavern so deep that the pagans believed there was the entrance to the netherworld., to Hell. They would kill, offer, and throw their sacrifices down there , sometimes human, many times children. . Land of pagans, rock? ..Jesus, “rock.. “build my Church”, “and the gates of Hades shall not overcome it. again, coincidence?😃 Jesus was clearly establishing His Church and His authority on earth with Peter as the priestly and royal minister of God (again, Isaiah 22) of His kingdom, His Church. Perfect setting and set-up huh? Saying those words, establishing His Church , in a manner of saying “this land will not be pagan anymore, alluding also to the prefiguring of the acceptance of the Gentiles into Christ’s promise and kingdom. I mean, just imagine an institution without a hierarchy, organization. That would be chaotic and divisive, and puts the sanctity of God’s Word and teachings through the Magisterium, at risk of being misunderstood and wrongly interpreted thus putting the souls of many, of the faithful at risk., the Church- “the pillar and foundation of truth”. 1 Tim 15. Note: in ancient Judaism (Jesus, Peter, the apostles were ALL Jews, Mary included, remember that) the Temple was built around a “rock”, called the “evinshetiyah” in Hebrew(Mishna, ancient rabbinic writings)., or the “foundation stone” . The 1st Temple in Jerusalem was built around a rock believed to be the same rock Abraham laid his son Isaac upon to be sacrifice as God commanded. That rock was placed inside the Temple, inside the Holy of Holies, and upon which the Ark of the Covenant rested. That was a mouthful huh, lol. That “rock”, and the “ark of the Covenant” will then take front and center later in Revelations. Peace out. 🙏

[@theophanmackey3414]

So the "rock" is definite and backs up your view, but "Satan" is an analogy? Seems like cherry picking

[@DavidTwig-c5j]

Peter couldn't be a Pope in the current view because he was married. He also wasn't infallible which Galatians lays out. But also because the only head of the Church is Christ. Although I disagree with the Catholic view, I am really learning a lot about your views and appreciate them. Thanks!

[@sandyriver4705]

Actually if Pope wanted it, he could unlift the rule that permitted priests to marry. In eastern catholic churches priests could marry, but in the west priest couldnt because it is intended to be a form of discipline

[@timgage8972]

What if it's not all about arguining over who is the "original church" and instead seeing where the Holy Spirit is building the church today? Where is holiness, evangelism and the fruits of the Spirit seen?

[@jlhistory]

You could also choose Assyrian church of the East or oriental orthodox

[@stefanspinu434]

Assyrians are nestorian and orientals are non-chalcedonian.

[@danielbrowniel]

@@stefanspinu434 A lot of the stuff the early church split up over, such as Nestorianism seemed like baseless to me. You can't prove Jesus had 2 natures and you can't disprove it. It would be wise, I think, to approach our divine Lord with a healthy dose of mystery, we can't understand every last thing about Him and some things should be Asked of Him when the time comes if only to satiate our curiosity. This original church stuff is so human. How would I be better off as a sheep who followed a sheep who followed a sheep.. x10,000 generations of sheep following sheep adding in errors and assumptions along the way. When even the original apostles were in error at times, as Christ's often corrected them. So wouldn't it make sense for all of us to follow the Shepherd and not the sheep?

[@stefanspinu434]

@@danielbrowniel If those were minor things, why did nestorius get anathemised over it? The guy said some crazy things about the Lord, basically a form of adoptionism. Further, there's discussion on if the natures can mix or not. These aren't small things, these are genuinely important things how things work.

[@danielbrowniel]

@@stefanspinu434 I guess it depends what they intend to deduce from this speculation. I know very little about it, I'm still learning about Polycarp and Marcion (who seemed quite off the rails to me) It's all of our responsibility to allow people to be corrected and at the same time allow people to explore. The Bible is loaded with mysteries. I believe that many things are prophetic that we have never considered, the names of people/ the order of events and the people involved around the patriarchs.. it has to be deeply prophetic. But you know that isn't a common thing for us to discuss, would I get the boot for doing so?

[@PLSTruth]

I didn't grow up in church, but even as a kid, watching people argue was the exact reason I didn't pursue belonging to a church. I can't always be saved, then suddenly not bcz of a sin, so christians were stupid & cruel. But I was always aware of & believed in Jesus. ** I also believe in learning from the source, & those cruel always saved people weren't credible, but I still found myself starting w/ protestant bibles. ** 1 Cor CH 11 - I found Catholic teaching & knew immediately I had to learn from them (& they don't worship Mary after all) ** I'm always appreciative when people want to share their understandings, beliefs, & why. I wish the different understandings encouraged discussions, not arguements. I'm blessed to be Catholic.

[@cjaoun23240]

What about Oriental Orthodox and the Church of the East? Do they have valid apostolic succession?

[@raino187]

Who made the word bishop?

[@theophanmackey3414]

It's overseer in Greek and it's in the NT

[@mgsharnhorst]

The "Church" is all true believers world wide, regardless of what building you worship in. And the historical church continues.

[@dontgetmarried]

We claim Papal Supremacy as St. Peter was the literal Stone that Christ used to found his Church. The Apostle Simon became Peter as Peter comes from the Greek work for "stone." As in the "stone" Christ founded his Church on, that's why we were First Amongst Equals even before the schism between East and West

[@Z0mbicore]

As confirmed by the acts of the holy council of Chalcedon. They call Peter rock and foundation of the universal Church and the orthodox faith

[@7x779]

Was Peter celibate like Roman Catholic priests or was he married ? Was Peter who warned the Believers to avoid like the plague anyone who comes forbidding marriage and to abstain from meet? Or was that paul?

[@7x779]

Sectarianism Is Carnal 1And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. 2I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; 3for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and [a]behaving like mere men? 4For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?

[@vigilantezack]

​@Z0mbicore heresy always has a beginning. It's incredibly idolatrous to suggest the entire mission of Christ on earth, sinless life, suffer and die, to do what? Make some fallible sinner the head, foundation, cornerstone, of the church? It's laughable if it wasn't so sad people still think this. Jesus is the rock, the gospel, the head of the church, the foundation, not a guy named Peter. How such a simple error of understanding is still so foundational to an entire false system boggles the mind.

[@doremimusichonolulu6854]

Someone probably said this before. Only Peter was given the keys to heaven, but I do believe as a Roman Catholic in Apostolic succession for the Orthodox Church as well. As I understand it. the separation point between the two is the nature of Jesus.

[@Psychosis1179]

I guess you didn’t read Matthew 18

[@doremimusichonolulu6854]

@@Psychosis1179 why would you make such an accusation? Why would I just read one part of a Bible?

[@Psychosis1179]

@@doremimusichonolulu6854 because most Catholics I’ve encountered do. They’ll read one verse and ignore the rest. Saint Augustine agrees that Peter wasn’t the only one to receive the keys nor was he special in any regard other than being the first disciple to acknowledge christs divinity. And I tell you…‘You are Peter, Rocky, and on this rock I shall build my Church, and the gates of the underworld will not conquer her. To you shall I give the keys of the kingdom. Whatever you bind on earth shall also be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth shall also be loosed in heaven’ (Mt 16:15-19). In Peter, Rocky, we see our attention drawn to the rock. Now the apostle Paul says about the former people, ‘They drank from the spiritual rock that was following them; but the rock was Christ’ (1 Cor 10:4). So this disciple is called Rocky from the rock, like Christian from Christ…Why have I wanted to make this little introduction? In order to suggest to you that in Peter the Church is to be recognized. Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter’s confession. What is Peter’s confession? ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ There’s the rock for you, there’s the foundation, there’s where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer (John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Vol. 6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327). But whom say ye that I am? Peter answered, ‘Thou art the Christ, The Son of the living God.’ One for many gave the answer, Unity in many. Then said the Lord to him, ‘Blessed art thou, Simon Barjonas: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but My Father which is in heaven.’ Then He added, ‘and I say unto thee.’ As if He had said, ‘Because thou hast said unto Me, “Thou art the Christ the Son of the living God;” I also say unto thee, “Thou art Peter.” ’ For before he was called Simon. Now this name of Peter was given him by the Lord, and in a figure, that he should signify the Church. For seeing that Christ is the rock (Petra), Peter is the Christian people. For the rock (Petra) is the original name. Therefore Peter is so called from the rock; not the rock from Peter; as Christ is not called Christ from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. ‘Therefore,’ he saith, ‘Thou art Peter; and upon this Rock’ which Thou hast confessed, upon this rock which Thou hast acknowledged, saying, ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God, will I build My Church;’ that is upon Myself, the Son of the living God, ‘will I build My Church.’ I will build thee upon Myself, not Myself upon Thee. For men who wished to be built upon men, said, ‘I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas,’ who is Peter. But others who did not wish to built upon Peter, but upon the Rock, said, ‘But I am of Christ.’ And when the Apostle Paul ascertained that he was chosen, and Christ despised, he said, ‘Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?’ And, as not in the name of Paul, so neither in the name of Peter; but in the name of Christ: that Peter might be built upon the Rock, not the Rock upon Peter. This same Peter therefore who had been by the Rock pronounced ‘blessed,’ bearing the figure of the Church (Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume VI, St. Augustin, Sermon XXVI.1-4, pp. 340-341). And this Church, symbolized in its generality, was personified in the Apostle Peter, on account of the primacy of his apostleship. For, as regards his proper personality, he was by nature one man, by grace one Christian, by still more abounding grace one, and yet also, the first apostle; but when it was said to him, ‘I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, shall be loosed in heaven,’ he represented the universal Church, which in this world is shaken by divers temptations, that come upon it like torrents of rain, floods and tempests, and falleth not, because it is founded upon a rock (petra), from which Peter received his name. For petra (rock) is not derived from Peter, but Peter from petra; just as Christ is not called so from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. For on this very account the Lord said, ‘On this rock will I build my Church,’ because Peter had said, ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ On this rock, therefore, He said, which thou hast confessed, I will build my Church. For the Rock (Petra) was Christ; and on this foundation was Peter himself built. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Christ Jesus. The Church, therefore, which is founded in Christ received from Him the keys of the kingdom of heaven in the person of Peter, that is to say, the power of binding and loosing sins. For what the Church is essentially in Christ, such representatively is Peter in the rock (petra); and in this representation Christ is to be understood as the Rock, Peter as the Church (Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume VII, St. Augustin, On the Gospel of John Before his passion the Lord Jesus, as you know, chose those disciples of his, whom he called apostles. Among these it was only Peter who almost everywhere was given the privilege of representing the whole Church. It was in the person of the whole Church, which he alone represented, that he was privileged to hear, ‘To you will I give the keys of the kingdom of heaven’ (Mt 16:19). After all, it isn’t just one man that received these keys, but the Church in its unity. So this is the reason for Peter’s acknowledged pre-eminence, that he stood for the Church’s universality and unity, when he was told, ‘To you I am entrusting,’ what has in fact been entrusted to all.
I mean, to show you that it is the Church which has received the keys of the kingdom of heaven, listen to what the Lord says in another place to all his apostles: ‘Receive the Holy Spirit;’ and straightway, ‘Whose sins you forgive, they will be forgiven them; whose sins you retain, they will be retained’ (Jn 20:22-23). This refers to the keys, about which it is said, ‘whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven’ (Mt 16:19). But that was said to Peter. To show you that Peter at that time stood for the universal Church, listen to what is said to him, what is said to all the faithful, the saints: ‘If your brother sins against you, correct him between you and himself alone’ (John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (Hyde Park: New City, 1994), Sermons, III/8 In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: ‘On him as on a rock the Church was built’…But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: ‘Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,’ that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,’ and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received ‘the keys of the kingdom of heaven.’ For, ‘Thou art Peter’ and not ‘Thou art the rock’ was said to him. But ‘the rock was Christ,’ in confessing whom, as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter. But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable (The Fathers of the Church (Washington D.C., Catholic University, 1968), Saint Augustine, The Retractations Chapter 20.1).

[@doremimusichonolulu6854]

@@Psychosis1179 it’s very simple. Peter has the keys and no one else. All this protestant word salad does not change my mind. as a matter fact, the Bible says “my word does not go out void” and you are not to add a”jot or a tittle”.so therefore, according to The Bible, Peter has the keys of heaven. It’s very simple Peter, and no one else. Your reply does not change my mind. And in my original comment, i said I am sure that other apostles, built churches and therefore those churches have apostolic succession. For example, St. Thomas built a church in India. It’s an Episcopalian church, and that church has apostolic succession, but only one has the keys to heaven. And that is Peter’s church. Who was succeeded by Linus. And so on and so on. I am a Roman Catholic and therefore I follow Roman Catholic doctrine. There is no other way. If you choose not to do so that’s up to you but I have decided after a long extensive search, into RCC, reading letters of the early 1 st century Fathers and reading the Bible WITHOUT ADDING A JOT OF TITTLE, that if I’m gonna be Catholic I’m gonna go all the way in. It’s that simple.

[@Psychosis1179]

@@doremimusichonolulu6854 Augustine is the RCC’s Church Father. The most revered and beloved. I simply stated that YOUR father rejects what the RCC says and provided quotes from him to affirm that. Unlike you guys, I don’t hold church fathers as infallible(which is unironic because you all dismiss fathers you hold dear when someone quotes them denying something you affirm). Take it up with scripture and Augustine. Your entire reply is a cope spliced, sludge stew. If no one can add to scripture or intercept it, the RCC, EO, PT, etc are all heretics. If we took everything as it was, we would all be baptists(aside from them denying Catina was wine nor grapefruit). Context to what’s being said is key to understanding passages. Says I follow, “Roman Catholic Doctrine,” I assume this means the doctrine which denies biblical scripture too. Such as purgatory(denying Christs sanctity-even EO calls you all out for this blasphemy), Assumption of Mary(no Biblical evidence-feeds to Maryian Doctrine), Praying to Saints or as some of you say,”Praying with,” which again has no basis in scripture and in fact violates having no other gods before God, your excess veneration of Mary which is actually worship in 3rd world countries(failure of your church), citing Mary as a co-redeemer which is another blasphemous doctrine(Mary did not die for you nor does it make since regarding the fact she said herself she needs a savior. How can she be part of that redemption if she herself is of need of it, works+faith=salvation(heretical) as Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 11:6, Titus 2:14, John 1:12, Galatians 2:16, Romans 4:5, Philippians 3:9, Romans 4:3, James 2:23, Genesis 15:6, Titus 3:5, Habakkuk 2:4, Luke 7:50, you are saved by Faith alone and through your faith do you work(that’s the entire message of James 2), etc doctrines. I also assume you’re one of “those” people who deny anyone outside the RCC although still in Christ, are saved in Him. To deny that they are not saved still is the biggest Hersey(John 3:16-18, John 4:16, Acts 4:12, John 17:3, Matthew 19:25-26, Romans 8:38-39, Hebrews 7:25, etc.

[@CadenSmith-kz2nn]

Hey this is kinda a random question but anyways I noticed a lot of priests wear beards is that a teaching they have or is it a preference or do they like the stile 🧐

[@Thirst4livingwater]

Literally what I was looking for!

[@hglundahl]

Saint James was monarchic bishop in Jerusalem _after_ the Twelve Apostles spread out, so these were in fact collectively ruling Jerusalem before he did. They were also ontologically bishops, i e consecrated, before he was.

[@hglundahl]

The Roman Catholic claim is not that Apostolic Succession comes only through St. Peter. The Apostolic Succession in the order of episcopal consecration can come from any of the Twelve. We claim however, the episcopacy can only be canonically exercised in communion with St. Peter or the canonic successors of St. Peter.

[@pyro_romania]

Ortodox is the Original Church!❤

[@ralph2766]

I'm not extremely knowledgable about either church, but I also think that we should not be so concerned about who has what saints, who came from who, who's been around the longest, and so on. As far as I can tell, whether you're Orthodox, Catholic, or Protestant, you have put your faith in Christ and have declared your love for your father who's created you, you have a hatred of the sin that compels you to fall, and you have faith that you are saved through Christ. Let the holy spirit then guide you in your life, grow in your knowledge in the bible, repent from sin where you see it, let your actions be a reflection of your faith, and know that no matter what, you are dead to the sin that once bound you, and you have been given the gift of eternal life by Christ. If there is one thing Christ brought to us, it is the certainty that through our faith in Christ alone are we saved, not through which church, denomination, group, philosophy, or any other thing you can imagine.

[@SuperMsPharmacy]

After hearing from this insane pope I have begun looking into switching from Catholic to Eastern Orthodox. It seems to be the only religion not being influenced by culture.

[@dillydally19]

What about the churches in Corinth that Paul wrote to?

[@coltonditmore9087]

But your argument ends up being "because we're the original church you cab trust that our teachings are correct. And we know that we are correct because we're the original church."

[@jondaigle3821]

This is arrogant. We are all the church. All who believe in Jesus and strive to live as he did and refrain from sin.

[@obimac89]

Christ above all!! ain't no apostles died for us - Apostle Paul

[@lcg5790]

All this jockeying for position reminds me of "who's on top" in the Muslim religion. We have our salvation through the sacrifice and resurrection of Christ the Lord.

[@andre8860]

I’m Russian orthodox Christian and I support this message

[@c.g.jonesze9089]

Catholics don't claim Apostolic succession is only through Peter. The russian church should pay attetnition, that russia is not using it instead thatd the Church should use Russia

[@docrofo2573]

How do I become orthodox if there isn’t a church near me?

[@PeggyONeill-iq3dc]

I choose God, which you can't get to God except through Jesus Christ 🙏 🙌 ✨️

[@markhorton3994]

This video is right about James brother of Christ. In Acts when Paul had a dispute with the Judaisers in Antioch he went to Jerusalem for a ruling. The Judaisers spoke. Pauls supporters spoke. Paul spoke. Peter spoke.Then James announced his ruling. The decision applied to all Christians not just Jerusalem. In so much as there was a first Pope it was James. As far as I know Peter was never Bishop of Rome. When Peter got there ( and it is not in the Bible) there was already a bishop. Peter was a visiting Apostle, not the local authority.