Fixing Kanto's Gym Leaders (Gen 2)

[@RoryTheFiend]

Hope you enjoy the video! 😅It's about time I finished the gen 2 gym leaders! Next video will be on a different pokemon topic to mix it up!

[@PokemonPOTUS]

I do love these videos tho

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@PokemonPOTUS More will be on the way, stay tuned as I'll be releasing a poll in my community tab for people to vote what they want my next "fixing gym leaders" video to be on

[@souravgaming6672]

​@@RoryTheFiendRory, I Wanted To Ask You, That When You Fix Some Trainers Team And Then Show us The Whole Improved Team, You Show Us The Team With Full Moveset, Ability, Level And The Sprite. How Do You Create It Like That. I Have Only Seen It In Bulbagarden. Please Reply

[@PTCLegacy777]

ImAgInE If hE (Surge) HaD A GoRoChU!!!

[@PTCLegacy777]

TBH, Volt Tackle didn't exist in Gen 2

[@bugslumbler]

Huge agree with Mewtwo, it shows that Red truly did conquer Kanto, and if you defeat him you did something pretty cool

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah, this final boss is holding nothing back at all now, the feeling you get for defeating him will be very sweet

[@gameyfirebro9645]

Type specialists without type coverage when I show them a Thunderbolt TM.

[@RoryTheFiend]

All we need is Erika's mons to learn thunderbolt

[@PTCLegacy777]

@@RoryTheFiend Grass types make ZERO sense to learn Thunderbolt!

[@Sylvainjose-satoyumiyato]

​@R-PTCbruh.io777 Well Pokémon can also call upon the Moon to smite their enemies, or kiss them to death, so I don't think logic is needed

[@JoyousPeas]

@@PTCLegacy777Yet it makes sense for them to make the weather change?

[@TrueWarriorJak]

8:30 I mean, she does become an actress in gen 5, so unintentional foreshadowing, I guess lol.

[@RoryTheFiend]

You're RIGHT! I've played the gen 5 movies last year and completely forgot she's an actress in them. (honestly enjoyed my time playing through those movies)

[@Sunnysunkern]

Oh yeah there is an event about it in pokemon masters

[@davialmeida4442]

@@RoryTheFiend People crap on the movies a lot bc you have to go through the long tutorial, but I agree, they are really fun

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@davialmeida4442 Definitely underrated, pretty fun plot lines in them tbh, and the battle backgrounds are beautiful (which sort of highlights one of my few problems with gen 5 is the battle backgrounds look a bit plain)

[@superkirby49]

What if Blue was actually Purple in disguise

[@RoryTheFiend]

He is neither Blue nor purple, he is.... Blurple

[@NathanYouTubeGaming]

DUNN DUNN DUNNNNNN

[@Magma-Idiot-2001]

​@@RoryTheFiendor Violet

[@obambagaming1467]

I remember that NPCs wont ever use Thief. They are programmed to avoid this move as much as possible.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Oh wow, I've never heard of that. Do you know the reason why?

[@obambagaming1467]

@@RoryTheFiend I don't really know. I remember watching a video about Gen 2 AI and Thief was special

[@obambagaming1467]

@@RoryTheFiend kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2eoZ4KXjMdqgrMsi=q0ICjqg_t3ryqWXN at 7:28 it's says they will always avoid Thief. However, this seems only to be the case for Smart AI. But since we are talking about Gym Leaders, they probably have Smart AI

[@DigiRangerScott]

@@RoryTheFiendProbably so players don’t lose irreplaceable held items

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@obambagaming1467 You know what, I saw this video, but yeah I forgot a lot, love this person's channel they do awesome work! I'm hoping they make more videos

[@pyritenightmare]

I'd actually argue this is a case where I'd want to see these base game. Enhanced difficulty and strategy makes complete sense for a postgame, and makes the leaders actually meaningful rather than just EXP fodder before Red.

[@RoryTheFiend]

yeah of course, not wanting this to replace base games "normal difficulty", but as a hard mode if the games ever had those. Using decent synergies and strategies should be standard in a hard mode, but also I think sometimes its nice to see gym leaders use strategies that arent necessarily top tier in their gen (gen 2 rain and sun teams) but from a perspective of having something different to fight against. I really appreciate things like that. Of course no matter what their levels are, they should be tougher to give any player some form of challenge.

[@renatoramos8834]

Actual difficulty and strategy makes sense for the whole game.

[@lipika2841]

Janine being a newbie excuse doesn't work when you realize Flannery is also in the same boat as her, but unlike her, she's actually still competent (in Emerald mostly).

[@RoryTheFiend]

Flannery with sunny day and overheat white herb is cool, it makes me wish game freak actually used different strategies, as her battle is really fun

[@loganpoal5025]

15:26 the AI will switch out if they are about to die to Perish Song as long as they have another Pokemon.

[@RoryTheFiend]

That's good to know! Either way I'm fine with changing out Perish Song with another move

[@lipika2841]

Tho sometimes AI can be dumb with that move & use Perish Song while they only have 1 mon left. Like, for instance, I saw someone doing the Lance rematch & his Altaria did Perish Song when he couldn't switch out to a different mon because it was the last 1 remaining.

[@LillyWhiteFairy]

23:54 seeing a sleeping Erika is something I definitely needed. Still my favorite gym leader in the series.

[@door-chan]

Red with a Mewtwo goes hard tbh. A romhack with these teams would be pawesome

[@RoryTheFiend]

It makes sense as well, since it's typically the final thing players do in the original games This hard mode is going to properly test the player

[@holycrapwhoami]

Wait till you hear about Pokémon Crystal Legacy… (In terms of the Red thing anyway)

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@holycrapwhoami I've not seen much about it but ya I heard about the Mewtwo change (though I got the mewtwo idea after a friend suggested it, either way it makes sense)e

[@holycrapwhoami]

@@RoryTheFiend It’s genuinely a pretty good rom hack of Crystal, it basically makes the gyms tougher but make more sense and it improves on the storyline as well in so many cool ways (especially the Team Rocket storyline) and overall it’s just really cool :)

[@GilroyIronheart]

Giving the Electric Soldier Porygon to the Electric Soldier makes perfect sense

[@fred8422]

full movesets? full evolutions? nooo this is not gamefreak approved

[@RoryTheFiend]

Game Freak When the 14th Gym leader isn't using onix, ryhorn and graveler with moves like fury attack and bind: NOOOOOO!!! 😭😭😭

[@fred8422]

@@RoryTheFiend meanwhile ilca giving the elite four full competitive sets

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@fred8422 I've not played BDSP but that's one of the things I've heard about it that made me happy

[@fred8422]

@@RoryTheFiend the whole game is a dumpster fire, imagine johto being weirdly easy and then spiking in difficulty on steroids. legit no difference from diamond and pearl then complete competitive sets for the elite four

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

​@@fred8422 That's one thing they have that Game Freak don't.

[@MrMetalBUGG]

Golduck is the best psychic type! Man I’m loving this so far man ^.^

[@RoryTheFiend]

Let's gooo! Golduck stocks are on the rise! I'm glad you're enjoying this, I am really really surprised I managed to finish the video yesterday, but I was on the grind for the past few weeks and it paid off!

[@MrMetalBUGG]

Now go and enjoy your bank holiday! :p such a cool vid, love Red having Mewtwo

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@MrMetalBUGG Thank you, been a good chill day so faar! Yeah Red having a Mewtwo makes sense for a hard mode post game super boss, especially since it's unobtainable in gen 2! Other than that, his team is too iconic or good to warrent a change

[@Eric-gp3hi]

I love all of these changes to the Kanto Gym Leaders in Gen 2. I’m looking forward to the next Pokemon videos you have in store!

[@RoryTheFiend]

Glad you like them! Was a lot of fun theory crafting again for gen 2, Erika's team particularly was hard, grass types really struggle gen 2

[@thepuppet4321]

You’ve redeemed yourself by giving Johto’s Pseudo Legend to Brock. Well done.

[@RoryTheFiend]

LOL I was waiting for a comment like this, thank you

[@BabyPowderW]

29:49 i fully expected that underpowered spider to have only 3 moves

[@rileyfrank1810]

These are probably some of my favorite Pokemon videos on the site at the moment! Keep them up please!!!

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you! It takes a lot of editing and scripting work, but I enjoy theorycrafting these! I'm glad you're enjoying them, and next video will be a different pokemon topic, but for sure I'll be doing more of these videos in the future

[@lipika2841]

It took me a bit to realise it was an hour long video. Dang Rory you've been making some good progress. But I guess it went on for that long cuz there's a lot of fixing to be done with these earlier gym leaders.

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@lipika2841 Yeah, well there's 9 trainers to talk about, and with them all having 3-5 pokemon in the base game and 5-6 in the rework means theres just so much to talk about. In other gens I can get thru the first few gym leaders very quickly, not here. I'm just glad I got the video finished by this weekend, considering how long it is!

[@infinityalbi9840]

Always a delight to see one of these. I love how intricately you go into giving them moves and great reasons behind the choices. It's something more people should do, especially when it comes to giving Pokémon teams to other established characters (giving Aquaman a mono-Water team is the biggest cop-out ever XD). Anyways, enough rambling. I might disagree with some of your choices in the series, but you're the guy who reminds me most of the way I like to approach Pokémon teams, and that's something I can't really say to a lot of people. Keep up the good work and good luck in life 😊

[@RoryTheFiend]

I appreciate that, yeah I try and break down the moveset properly, giving Pokemon teams to non pokemon characters is interesting, dunno if I'd ever do it though lol of course I expect to be a fair degree of disagreement, but I'm glad you dont just cuss me out saying im wrong lol. I believe there's many fair, fun and unique approaches to these team reworks and I'm always open to other peoples thoughts on how to approach them, many times I'll agree and would love to fight their versions of the gym leaders! Thank you for your comment, really appreciate ones like these

[@Blanktester685]

cop in actually

[@darkraiknight386]

All hail Golduck, the best Psychic-type! (Also, nice team changes. I hope we get to see you fight them, like last time!)

[@RoryTheFiend]

Someone is already editing them for me, I'm very lucky to have people help me so quickly. I will definitely stream the Kanto post game at some point, next week I'm wanting to stream Scarlet to play through it for the first time, but I'll try and see what I can do for the Crystal post game.

[@paulwalker3758]

Should have given Starmie the full Surf, Psychic, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam moveset.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah starmie does have awesome coverage moves, if this was hgss I might have done that and given it a life orb as well

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

Fantastic video as always. If only Leaf appeared in the first original games to be a trainer who the player is able to battle. Thank Arceus that she is in Let's Go.

[@XellossBoi]

Some really great fixes! I love Porygon 2 for Surge and Sudowoodo for Erika. Some inspired ideas!

[@megariderfire1994]

I think it's fair you gave Mewtwo the objectively worst hidden power type (even at it's highest base power) and make it the lowest level member on Red's team. Considering Johto's level curve and the gap between Blue and Red being quite the significant gap...yeah it makes sense for the only legendary Pokemon on his team and level 75 would still be quite a grind to reach. That said, at least HP has no impact on the pokemon's special and speed DVs, so I'll give you that.

[@geostorm8192]

1:01:44 About the scope lens, since you gave it to like half the gym leaders the player could just thief one in advance. Similar case as white herb, only obtainable in the base game from Blaine's Magcargo (now unobtainable with your changes)

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yup that is true, thief lets you steal the trainer items permanently which is funny, and probably a reason why they didnt want to give trainers held items outside of the odd berry. In terms of the White Herb, I think you're mistaken as white herb wasn't introduced until gen 3

[@geostorm8192]

@@RoryTheFiend yes, you're right, his magcargo does have a white herb but only in HGSS oops

[@TheLordGlenn]

Giving Surge a Lanturn as other comments have noted would definitely be a good change to his team (and it can be fished in Vermillion City no less!), so I think dropping it from Misty to give to him is a good idea. What I didn't see suggested was giving Misty a *Qwilfish* as an anti-Grass option instead of Lanturn - she's pretty heavily Special-based with your 5-member team, so swapping Lanturn out for another physical attacker would balance things out a little. You could even tailor the sets slightly differently, going Lead Qwilfish (Spikes/Sludge Bomb/Swagger?/Surf - confuse the player to hopefully force a switch and take hazard damage) and swapping Sludge Bomb off of Setup Quagsire (Curse/Surf/Earthquake/Rest? (with a Mint Berry for longevity?)) to be something a little longer in the tooth, albeit with one less move making use of the boosted Attack from Curse?

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah I can agree with everything you said here, I do also like qwilfish for the spikes lead, only 1 layer max in gen 2 but it's something rarely seen in game so appreciate the ai using moves not commonly used by them Thanks for the comment!

[@sowhat_idontcare151]

Poor Espeon, always being replaced. Mewtwo is very fitting for the post-game superboss team though. I love your videos!

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah it just makes sense for a hard mode, espeon otherwise is a great regular Mon to be added to a boss fight, thank you I'm happy with how this one turned out and I'm excited to work on my next project!

[@gengarguy8801]

Golduck is the best Psychic type I know in fact Golduck may be my favorite Psychic type ever I am not being held hostage by Golduck to say these words

[@RoryTheFiend]

Golduck will be very pleased to hear this, I too love Golduck! my favourite water / Psychic type!

[@drooprtroopr6969]

1:38 Hardly relevant to the video, but I actually learned why those stats are now that color. If you were to look at the status screen in X&Y, you would see the text colors green for HP, yellow attack etc. Noticed that when I went back into my old save of the game.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Good to know! I was gathering the stats info while Bulbapedia while they were changing, it went through a few iterations, but I'm quite happy with how they look now. Makes sense they reflect how they look in the game

[@benjadryl_7393]

It's also because they're much easier to read for a person who is color blind. I assume that's also why game freak chose the colors.

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@benjadryl_7393 I'm glad they've considered accessibility in that regard then, plus the colours are nice to look at

[@ryousuke_superior]

14:20 Uh oh, better do what he says. But I think he’d be a great psychic type.

[@nazeersadek6705]

7:52 a bit surprised you didn’t choose Lanturn but this is a very good team and a massive improvement over the original

[@nazeersadek6705]

17:25 oh now I see why you didn’t lol

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah I mean it'd help his team a lot of course, but I ultimately decided to give Misty one instead. would not disagree with anyone giving surge one tho

[@BlaqueT]

So glad to see a new vid! I always enjoy your retrains of older teams, I can't wait for the next one!

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you! Well now I've done all of gen 1 and gen 2 gym leaders and elite 4, I'd like to do some gen 3 / 4 reworks at some point now

[@McCullyClassic]

I always wanted to see an in-game Gym Leader who uses one Pokemon. Over-leveled or over-tuned just something that shows that Leader’s arrogance

[@RicoChicoMalico]

Love this. Someone needs to make a gen 2 romhack with all of your fixes used. Keep up the good work!

[@RoryTheFiend]

The johto section of the game has already been made into a romhack (its in my discord server) and someone is currently working on the Kanto half as well! I'll probably stream it at some point!

[@billynguyen267]

Gj on making these videos, the teams r great and did Kanto justice. Kanto is a big part of the johto games but the gym leaders strength r so inconsistent and weak especially when it is post game. Where you would expect all trainers would be stronger.

[@billynguyen267]

And how do u do the moveset on bulbapedia format like that ( idk what that call lmao, the bulbapedia frame with the moveset on there )

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you! Yeah kanto is cool to add in concept but they dropped the ball with the gym leader difficulty, apart from blue For bulbapedia moves I just use my computers basic screen clipping tool to screenshot the moveset, then I open the image in paint . Net and use the magic wand tool, click on the white background around the moveset, delete it, then save it as a png. So when I put it in the editor it doesn't have any background and is just the moveset

[@BardockSkywalker]

Why not give all Gym Leaders full Teams of 6? They're Post-Champion Bosses. Why not give them full teams?

[@goatmin]

I’m so glad! The kanto gyms were so disappointing in those games

[@RoryTheFiend]

Facts, I can forgive it since it was still the early days for pokemon, and glad to see they got toughened up in HGSS

[@deltaquarayza]

Not sure if it was intentional, but you sounding like you were about to start laughing after Janine's GSC team really sums up players' reactions to that team

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah I write the script before hand but when reading it out loud I laugh a lil at what I wrote. Janine's team is a mess, it's really silly how weak game freak made her, they couldn't have at least bumped her team up to the low 40s?

[@jamst5913]

Fixing Kanto's Gym Leaders (Gen 4) when

[@RoryTheFiend]

One day for sure! but I'm expecting either fixing Gen 4 leaders / Gen 3 leaders & or rivals before I consider visiting the Johto Remakes

[@allanjensen59]

What I would change from your teams: Brock: Onix -> Steelix (Sandstorm, Rock Slide, Earthquake, Iron Tail + Quick Claw) Misty: Lanturn -> Gyarados (Hydro Pump, Strengh, Hyper Beam, Fire Blast + Pink Bow) Surge: Porygon -> Lanturn (Surf, Confuse Rau, Thunderbolt, Hydro Pump + Leftovers) Blaine: Rapidash -> Charizard (Flamethrower, Earthquake, Fly, Sword Dance + Soft Sand)

[@RoryTheFiend]

Brock having a Steelix would be cool, I was tempted but decided to let him keep it since its iconic For Misty, I like the Gyarados, it helps a bit being neutral to grass matchups! same for surge except lanturn will be a great asset against the ground types, Lastly Blaine having a charizard is interesting, most fire types gen 1 and 2 are monotype so it would help a lot against ground types, and add more resistances to his team, swords dance zard is also cool

[@HiyokoSupiritto]

15:14 Perish song as a ghost type move? Not gonna lie, it looks more like a ghost type move than normal

[@RoryTheFiend]

I rewatched my video twice, and still missed that lol. a lot of status moves that feel like they should be another type are just normal for some reason

[@InsertFunnyThingHere]

​@@RoryTheFiendNormal type is just the type they give things they have no idea what typing to give, only like half of Normal type things feel "normal"

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@InsertFunnyThingHere I can agree with that, gen 1 especially they went wild with normal type moves

[@InsertFunnyThingHere]

@@RoryTheFiend yeah and in the actual pokemon they just give normal type as the default type if they have no other type to add. Nowadays it's even worse, apparently just being vaguely white colored is enough, and sometimes they give the normal type just because they feel like it'd be a cool type combo (which like true but also you could have made it actually look normal)

[@AlexBelte3002]

I love the fact that you made some callbacks to your previous videos like Surge's Porygon. The choices you've made were quite interesting... I would've given the starter's weakness choice for Blue instead of making Gyrados his "main" but it's fine anyway, overall. Mewtwo on Red is a nice touch ! Never thought about it before, personally... Little "complain" : i would've left an Ariados to Jeannine, even thought it's really weak on this stage of the game, i think it still fits a poison type specialist's team, but it's juste my opinion ^^ And give love to Mantine and replace Misty's Lapras with it... I know that Mantine is weaker but that allows you to avoid a repeat 😜

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you! Honestly I do like Ariados, so I would have no problems if in a crystal improvement video someone let her keep it! And I was so close to giving Misty a Mantine tbh, it'd definitely suit her team and help by being neutral to grass types! Thank you for the comment!

[@sunflorence-59]

Really loving this series, especially giving characters strong but underused pokémon (like Dodrio and Porygon2)! Although in that vein, I think it's a huge missed opportunity not giving Janine a Nidoqueen as her ace - I've always thought it was the best possible pokémon for her!! My team for Janine would be: Qwilfish (w/ King's Rock) - Spikes, Toxic, Sludge Bomb, Headbutt Beedrill (w/ Scope Lens) - Twineedle, Sludge Bomb, Focus Energy, Double Team Weezing (w/ Pink Bow) - Explosion, Sludge Bomb, Flamethrower, Thunderbolt Tentacruel (w/ Leftovers) - Surf, Ice Beam, Toxic, Protect Nidoqueen (w/ Soft Sand) - Earthquake, Shadow Ball, Thunder Punch, Ice Punch My main goal was to differentiate Janine even more from Koga (gen 2 team) and to give her some unique team members that basically no other bosses use. Thanks for reading!!

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you! I think Nidoquen on Janine would make sense, and is nice since it's also not really used anywhere else! Beedrill set is cool as well, definitely an upgrade over anything Ariados could do.

[@adantelee5017]

To me, Red’s team in the OG GSC is perfect and i felt like replacing Espeon with Lapras was very unnecessary

[@RoryTheFiend]

I love Red's OG team, I think Espeon is a solid addition, swapping for Lapras is odd since it overlaps with Blastoise's typing.

[@adantelee5017]

I do really like Red’s battle theme, to me it got better in HGSS but i think the best version of Red’s battle theme is in Let’s Go! It’s a total shame that after you beat Red in Let’s Go the first time, any rematches with him it just uses the plain trainer battle of Let’s Go. Speaking of Red if Red got to battle Ash Ketchum this would be the teams id glove them to face each other Red’s team: Pikachu (Z-move), Charizard (mega X), Venasaur, Blastoise, Snorlax (Gigantamax), Espeon Ash’s team: Pikachu (Z-Move), Infernape, Greninja (Ash-Greninja / Dynamax), Sceptile (mega), Lycanroc (dusk form), Krookodile

[@adantelee5017]

@@RoryTheFiend i agree cause I’m someone who like type variety on they’re pokemon team & Red already has a better water type in Blastoise plus Espeon gave Red some good Johto representation. (Fun fact Espeon is my favorite Eeveelution & Psychic type pokemon)

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@adantelee5017 That is a shame, why would they make the battle theme be the regular team when u rematch red? Who do you think would win, with Red VS Ash?

[@adantelee5017]

@@RoryTheFiend yeah that Let’s Go rendition of Red’s battle theme from the Johto games is a banger & a total earworm of mine. Between Ash vs Red, i say Ash wins

[@Hanakothemizumiko]

Brock out here doing an unemployed any% with that team (Also that fake thumbnail, i almost choked on my food laughing 😂)

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you! I liked it as well, dunno if u noticed but I edited brocks sprite to have a little cocky eyebrow raise in it as well, he's living life how he wants to, the Pokémon league be damned!

[@gravity1537]

15:10 I hate to be that guy, but Perish Song is a Normal move, not a Ghost move. Still, it really should be!

[@RoryTheFiend]

You are right, I rewatched the entire video twice, and specifically tried to scout out any moves I wrongly typed (I put sandstorm as ground type), but that one still flew under the radar. At the least it's an understandable accident (yeah it totally should be ghost type!)

[@thatoneaxolotlguy9969]

I think it would be better if Misty got politoad and lanturn would be given to surge instead of magneton so his team could resemble types of things during war, Lanturn for the navy, Porygon2 for cyber, electrode for traps, raichu being a shooter from long range and electabuzz representing the physical capabilities a soldier should have in the military

[@TheCorey1734]

Tbh, I played White 2 Challenge Mode and beat the story in 44 hours with some change. I just found that all I needed was grinding.

[@d007ization]

I do think it's nice flavor to give trainers gimmick sets like Lock-on Zap-cannon as well as allowing the player to steamroll gyms with the right pokemon type (to reward them for finding and training up such a pokemon (as long as there's no lv 30 dugtrio in the vicinity, come on, gen 1)) AND it's always nice to give them unique pokemon (sets) that aren't all that strong. If you want a matchup against purely competitive teams, there's always the battle tower. Having said that, held items are tragically underutilized in -every generation of pokemon- gen 2's storyline and I agree they should at the very least be held by the ace. You also gave me an idea. Why not bend the rules even further and have Misty start off the game with a turn 0 rain dance? You can even have her or one of her trainers send out a pokemon in the overworld to do so (overworld shenanigans are yet another underutilized thing, Lance's ace wrecking an undercover Team Rocket member is a core memory for a reason). We can even have one of her trainers hint at this to reward players who don't skip them with surf. And then you can go nuts, give Erika a onesided sunny day that allows her to spam one-turn solar beams, Surge a one-sided rain dance, Brock a free sandstorm, Blaine a sunny day, Sabrina a free reflect or light screen (depending on the player's lead), and Janine a free way to poison the player's pokemon, either via proto-toxic spikes or by giving all her moves a chance to poison. All these things can be indicated via dramatic speeches and neat little overworld effects. We can also allow the player to defeat leveled up versions of those teams if they beat the elite 4, as such unique fights should probably be repeatable. Blue we can give yet another "not even my final form" moment (that we technically got in gen 1) by having him pull out a second team when you beat his first one. Because Blue isn't nearly mean enough, I think it'd be on-point not to let the player heal (and if they faint, they have to go through the first team again).

[@ryousuke_superior]

Golduck would be a great psychic type.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Especially due to the anime, maybe if it's not psychic type they could give it an ability that boosts psychic type damage?

[@Megarover]

I feel like Hidden Power should've been given to more pokemon. Pokemon like Surge's Magneton, Erika's Bellossom, and Janine's Cenomoth would benefit alot from Hidden Power Grass, and Water (for the latter two) respectively.

[@RoryTheFiend]

I agree sort of, like I'd be completely fine if somebody made their own "fixed" gym leaders and gave a lot more hidden power to pokemon, for me personally I just like keeping it to certain trainers

[@Spaget99]

I'd give surge lanturn instead of misty so he can counter ground and rock types better

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah I can see that, Surge with Lanturn would help a lot with those ground mons

[@gabrieldevoogel6225]

Haven’t started the video yet but I’m excited, I really wished these gyms were more powerful and less mid, because even in the harder rom hack Digimon crystal I was able to slap everybody in Kanto except red on try one, and trust me they were all rocking level 60’s as this games E4 level curve was, and even with great digimon/Pokémon they were too weak to deal with a good matchup on their own

[@RoryTheFiend]

Well I hope you enjoy! I tried to follow a level curve based on where I saw several lets players levels at, this isn't meant to be a crazy difficult challenge but a sufficiently upgraded hard mode for the pokemon player that cruises through the regular games

[@gabrieldevoogel6225]

@@RoryTheFiend see I don’t cruise through Jhoto but I wish it had the same level of danger as unova, there should always be trainers that are just tough, but some battles can be easy as long as you Balance it around player choice causing different difficulty based on their interactions, team, etc

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@gabrieldevoogel6225 Some of the toughest battles I've had in Unova are from regular trainers, gonna need to replay them some point soon

[@PersonOfRandomnesss]

1:01:11 You're being kind by choosing shadowball over EQ. EQ + Body slam can hit everything in game with the only resists being Aerodactyl and Skarmory (iirc). You can now hit most steel types better with EQ than shadow ball - if not super effective then neutral at least, rather than being resisted. You can still hit gengar super effectively with a stronger move with the only trade off being that eq isnt super effective on misdreavus, as far as ghosts go.

[@adantelee5017]

My version of Fixing Kanto Gym Leaders plus Red in GSC & to an extent HGSS Lt. Surge-Electric 1. Electrode 2. Magneton (GSC) or Magnezone (HGSS 3. Amphoros 4. Raichu 5. Electabuzz (GSC) or Electivire (HGSS) (ace) Sabrina-Psychic 1. Slowbro 2. Jynx 3. Girafirig 4. Espeon 5. Alakazam (ace) Misty-Water 1. Golduck 2. Azumarill 3. Politoad 4. Starmie 5. Gyrados (ace) Erika-Grass 1. Tangela (GSC) or Tangrowth (HGSS) 2. Jumpluff 3. Victoribell 4. Bellosom 5. Vileplume (ace) Janine-Poison 1.Ariados 2. Beedrill 3. Arbok 4. Crobat 5. Venomoth (ace) Brock-Rock 1. Onix 2. Sudowoodo 3. Golem 4. Tyranitar 5. Rhydon (GSC) or Rhyperior (HGSS) (ace) Blaine-Fire 1. Magcargo 2. Arcanine 3. Houndoom 4. Rapidash 5. Magmar (GSC) or Magmortar (HGSS) Blue-Various 1. Pidgeott 2. Exegutor 3. Arcanine 4. Gyrados 5. Alakazam 6. Tyranitar (ace) Red-Various (TBH, i know Red’s ace is technically Pikachu but in Johto thats his lead so for this I’ll do the best I can in team order from lead to ace) 1. Snorlax 2. Espeon 3. Blastoise 4. Venasaur 5. Charizard 6. Pikachu (ace)

[@SogekingFirebirdStar]

Aww, I was hoping you'd give Misty Politoed. Her new team is really great though.

[@RokuroCarisu]

Janine actually could be worse... I halfway expected her item to be an Antidote. By the way, Kabutops can get Ancient Power earlier as an egg move.

[@Kali_Krause]

Here's my changes to the Kanto leaders: Lt.Surge: Raichu, Electrode, Lanturn, Magneton, and Electabuzz Sabrina: Espeon, Mr.Mime, Slowking, Xatu, and Alakazam Erica: Tangela, Jumpluff, Victreebel, Bellossom, and Meganium Janine: Crobat, Weezing, Qwilfish, Ariados, and Venomoth Misty: Golduck, Quagsire, Lapras, Starmie, and Vaporeon Brock: Rhydon, Kabutops, Onix, Golem, and Sudowoodo Blaine: Magcargo, Magmar, Rapidash, Arcanine, and Ninetails Blue: Pidegot, Gyarados, Exeggutor, Rhydon, Alakazam, and Typhlosion

[@RoryTheFiend]

These are some good team changes! I like how you gave Surge a lanturn, that'll really help for the ground types, and Vaporeon on misty is really cool as well. Erica getting Meganium would help a lot, people like to say meganium is bad but honestly, compared to the other grass types its really solid! Also Blue getting a Typlosion is interesting, maybe it could have the 3rd starter that neither the player or the rival picked? I like your changes!

[@androidboyd]

All the IV's of a trainer's Pokemon are the same in GSC, so having multiple HP types on Sabrina's team would require some specialized coding. I do like the idea, though.

[@pkmntrainermark8881]

I had no idea Synthesis was affected by time of day. Very interesting.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah really odd, so if you play at morning or at night, and it's raining then synthesis heals 1/8th Ur max hp, aka 2 turns of leftovers

[@selder_7]

Pokémon is series primarily for selling to children but fans from when it originally came out and was huge are adults now and they do advertise on nostalgia often, so there should be something for them and that should be in the form of a hard mode

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yup I agree, they could make a hard mode with little effort, just give trainers better IVs and EVs, and if they have more time to work on it then edit movesets and held items

[@G-LukeJA]

Champion Red should have the Hydro Pump, Fire Blast and Solar Beam combo imo and Pikkachu only have a few extra levels for lols but this is a cool video man

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah that's fair, they'd hit even harder, I can agree with those suggestions. Thank you, glad you liked the vid!

[@mia.alexandra]

I like Jolteon for Blue, it reminds me of his Yellow team. Perhaps we could go even further and make it his ace (I mean, Red's highest level is Pikachu, so we can suppose the gen2 games are a Yellow sequel instead of R/B). Another interesting swap that Yellow Rival could give to us is Gyarados -> Cloyster, it seems to be a better gen 2 mon with a 60 -> 85 SATK and a better movepool in Surf / Ice Beam / Clamp / Protect

[@jgr7487]

Psyduck/Golduck: - are named after psychic references - learn damage dealing Psychic type moves by leveling up since Gen 1 - aren't Psychic type mons Staryu/Starmie: - are named after psychic references - don't learn STAB Psychic type moves by leveling up until Gen 6 - are Psychic type mons

[@Fakharmel]

Starmie learns psychic via tm tho

[@jgr7487]

@@Fakharmel so do Psyduck and Spinarak.

[@andreaxsz]

i forgor to vote but a gen 4 video would be nice, idk if their teams are really that bad except for diamond and pearl

[@RoryTheFiend]

Don't worry vote hasn't happened yet, I'm thinking next vote will be for either Gen 4, or Gen 3 (and maybe fixing gen 3's rivals, because I think Wally and May / Brendon could be made a lot more interesting)

[@lopendebank3613]

Was literally grossed out with Raichu being Reds ace for a sec 😅

[@RoryTheFiend]

10000 dislikes if I changed Red's Pikachu to a Raichu

[@jackhall4254]

Honestly now I'm curious as to what you'd change in the gen 4 remakes of Jhoto or if they'd still be the same.

[@AnnieC.1993]

Golduck's crit rate with cross chop would actually be 33%, since high crit rate moves in gen 2 are actually +2 crit rate! I kinda wish they kept this, at least until gen 6. They should probably change the crit rate for +1 to ~25% actually, since it just jumps from 12.5 to 50 with the way it is now. Modern base crit rate also seems weirdly low, especially with its reduced damage multiplier.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Oh wow, never knew that! Crit rate is kinda wild now, it's a lot easier to get auto crits with just +3

[@marcstutsman4861]

Personally I'd make Brock's Tyranitar a Rhydon and change Blue's Rhydon to Tyranitar (to reference his FRLG Champion Rematch team that had Tyranitar and Heracross on it).

[@BSCTDrayden]

Golduck is the best psychic! great video fella!

[@RoryTheFiend]

Let's go Golduck! And thank you, cool to see you're starting Ur own challenge run videos!

[@AverageEggmonEnthusiast]

Should’ve given Misty a level 100 togepi that only knows metronome

[@RoryTheFiend]

A terrifying prospect, level 100 togepi stat wise also wouldnt be too bad compared to the level 50 actually good pokemon

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

Is Generation 2 finally finished? If so, I'm looking forward to Generation 3, even if it'll take a while.

[@pkmntrainermark8881]

The STAB Surf contains potassium benzoate.

[@RoryTheFiend]

.... That's bad Omastar: can I go now?

[@Abigdummy4life]

Sorta wish you gave Misty a Gyarados cause of Brock's Aerodactyl.

[@xanderarmstrong6198]

I know youre trying to make the teams more formidable, but i think that more diversity of moves would be cool too. Electabuzz having thunderpunch might be on paper worse but thematically it fits much better. Theres a lot of opportunity to use flavorful moves on these gym teams instead of having 5 surfs or 5 psychics. Mix it up with bubblebeam or psybeam for added flavor.

[@Mr.M3447]

If Pokémon types could retroactively be changed, does Electric/Psychic Porygon sound reasonable?

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah it'd definitely be electric psychic, would be a real menace with adaptability o_o

[@MakinItRain24-7]

GOLDUCK IS THE BEST PSYCHIC TYPE

[@RoryTheFiend]

Golduck shall spare you for you spoke the truth!

[@alexdonathen5671]

Surge Needs a rain setter

[@egbertmilton4003]

I have to say that Golduck is indeed the best Psychic Pokemon

[@RoryTheFiend]

when doing a psychic type only run, Golduck has to be on the team, no ifs ands or buts

[@Mitchellmt1943]

Loved all these changes! Not sure if this has been asked before: but how do you create the layout for your revised teams? Is there a program you use, or is it just editing Bulbapedia?

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you I'm glad you liked them! And it is just manual editing, software I use is paint . Net Each team edit takes around 30 mins so it's quite the tedious task, fairly simple though

[@k2basior]

Why no Lanturn for Surge?

[@andreapareti324]

Curious that you've used Rhyhorn's Yellow sprite in at least part of the Brock section.

[@RoryTheFiend]

The reason is simple, I downloaded the wrong sprite and managed to gloss over that fact while editing

[@andreapareti324]

@@RoryTheFiend Ahah, yeah, that's what it looked like, although, since there was also the Gen 1 Geodude sprite alongside it, at one point, I thought "maybe there's a chance it's a stylistic choice I'm not seeing", lol; well, it seems like you caught it afterwards, since, iirc, the Gen 2 sprite is used in the overview of the team 😁👍.

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@andreapareti324 Yeah aha, working on a 1 hour video over the course of 2 weeks it's pretty much inevitable for small things like that to fly under the radar for me

[@MortanAMrk]

What on earth i was just now watching you lmao

[@RoryTheFiend]

The timing is immaculate, I only upload every month or 2 o_o appreciate the views

[@king6595]

I don't understand the scope lens on ninetails

[@rjd1922]

Could you add this to the "Fixing Pokémon" playlist?

[@RoryTheFiend]

Done, thanks for reminding me

[@shimogane2474]

Gyarados cant learn EARTHQUAKE in gen2? geez, thats the next aero, gets his moves in gen3 too! Funfact, can learn stone edge but no rock slide I dont get them

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah Gyarados gen 2 was definitely its low point in the series, I dont get the moves game freak give and dont give to pokemon sometimes. If something can stone edge, it can definitely rock slide!

[@peteypiranalover]

If there arent options and the pokemon has narrative reason to make sense with type i dont mind different typed mon. So sudowoodu and porygon 2 feel close enough

[@RoryTheFiend]

As long as it's not overused I'm all for it

[@peteypiranalover]

@RoryTheFiend well it has to make sense which means probably a lot of people thought of it. No one want a pikachu on a dragon team.

[@SpaceAngelMewtwo]

Why not give Mewtwo Submission instead of Hidden Power Fighting? It's a transfer-only move for Mewtwo, but Mewtwo is already a transfer-only mon.

[@justanoreo2.0]

Idk why but for lt surge and wattson i have always wanted them to have lanturn (yes lanturn is in emerald thanks for not remembering)

[@RoryTheFiend]

Lanturn is a great Pokémon for electric types to give them a decent option for grounds, I can totally see those guys using one on their team

[@Lazmez]

quick reminder for everyone to subscribe ! Another great video

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thanks Laz, we almost at 11k now!! o_0

[@GlacierMoonDragon]

Couldn't the Onix be replaced with a Steelix? (He has one in the anime).

[@kitkatboard]

Red's Mewtwo should hold the Berserk Gene. Is it stupid ? Maybe. But thematic. And pretty cool since this item is nowhere to see in the game.

[@RoryTheFiend]

That's an interesting idea! In that case I'd need to give it another physical move like shadow ball, cool concept for sure

[@profdeltaruneenthusiast]

Why not give magneton thunder or golduck hydro pump if they have scope lenses?

[@RoryTheFiend]

Magneton does have Thunder, and for Golduck, I guess I valued the accuracy from Surf, but Hydro Pump is a good move with Scope Lens of course

[@redacculous]

Sorry, Golduck, Reuniclus is the best Psychic type

[@RoryTheFiend]

Reuniclus is pretty cool to be fair, I'm sure golduck won't check every comment here so we're fine

[@lipika2841]

If Golduck couldn't find this comment, he wouldn't also be able to find this reply under it. MEWTWO is the BEST PSYCHIC-TYPE BABY!!

[@reallibertarian7081]

Blue should have a blastoise and Blaine a charizard Erika venesaur

[@erick999dx6]

No legendary birds for red?

[@TheAlox9]

I never understood why they replaced Espeon with Lapras in HG and SS why have 2 Pokemon of the same type it just made no sense to me

[@itsimpulse75]

i think you should swap brocks tyranitar out for a golem i think that the geodude line it too iconic form brooks team to switch out i also think that tyranitar works better on blues team insted off dotrio sice blue is the second strongest tranner in the game i think that it makes sense that he is using the pseudo legendary Pokemon tyranitar just to make him more off a change pulse they ended up giving him one in if fire red and leaf green rematch

[@Magma-Idiot-2001]

Honestly, I prefer Red's team from GSC than his HGSS, I dislike replacing Espeon for Lapras.

[@marvellover2]

I know that most of the ghosts are poison in this generation but why didn’t you give one of Sabrina's pokemon shadow ball after espeon’s bite ghosts are somewhat safe.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Ghost moves are physical in Gen 2 so it's not that great on most psychic pokemon

[@marvellover2]

Oh I thought the split between special and physical was in place in these games.