Fixing Kanto's Elite 4

I understand the Devs were very limited back then but OOOOFT the gen 1 moves could be better, lets fix that :)
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[@RoryTheFiend]

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[@ArchinaGM]

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[@RoryTheFiend]

@@ArchinaGM sounds good big dog

[@pkmntrainermark8881]

Even without the Ghost Marowak callback, Marowak still fits in a Ghost-type team because it's bone-themed.

[@RoryTheFiend]

You're totally right, glad he fits in on multiple levels then!

[@tlst94]

How'd the Kantonian-Cubone line have been like as Ground/Ghost Types? And if Ghosts had more better moves?

[@mrtrollnator123]

​@@tlst94honestly it'd be great

[@rubiconprime1429]

Maybe a Hypno could replace the weaker Gengar on Agatha’s team. It would fulfill a similar role, give her more type diversity (she has a Marowak, type uniformity is not a priority really) and would decrease the redundancy of the Gengar line within her team.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Good shout, something I hadn't considered but yeah I can see Agatha using a Hypno

[@AznYunHou]

@@RoryTheFiend Plus Hypno does learn Poison Gas for a psychic type and joking about how Agatha is the Poison expert

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@AznYunHou I don't even want to think about how Hypno uses Poison Gas o_o

[@Jac735]

Haaa I destroyed Agatha with my strategy based hypno slept on pokemon in that generation playing your cards right the the perfect moves

[@bananaspice1967]

​@@RoryTheFiendVery stinky farts

[@Toast_94]

The whole reason why the AI's movesets were hot garbage in Red/Blue was because, with the exception of gym leader TMs and illegal moves, all the moves trainer pokemon have are just the last four moves they would learn by level up (this is also why Blue's Eggsecute just outside the pokemon league has a complete moveset with stab moves but only has three moves as a champion). It wasn't until Yellow that Gamefreak started giving their pokes custom move sets, so they have the same pokemon but often have very different moves compared to their R/B counterparts.

[@yokaipinata1416]

If you think about it, this also makes Blue just as much of a cheater as Lance, because there's no move deleter in Gen 1, meaning it's impossible to go from having a full moveset to having only three moves. Though it also means he's far less competent at it since he's effectively cheating against himself. At least Lance can actually do something useful with that barrier, and the fact it can be exploited to make him look like a clown (see: Venomoth) is just a catch

[@Silverstar114]

I actually really like that you added Marowak to Agatha's team! That's really creative, and I never really thought about it.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Even if Marowak isn't amazing in gen 1 (gen 2 marowak with a thick club though? oof that's strong), I always felt she should get one, good as well adding type diversity and a decent physical attacker to her team

[@shiruotakuno28]

​@@RoryTheFiendI'm shocked GF didn't think to do that themselves

[@sheogorath6834]

@@shiruotakuno28 Well, she had one in her rematch team in Let's go. (But it's Alolan Marrowak)

[@armorbearer9702]

I agree. Marowak fits perfectly with Agatha's theme.

[@Missingno_Miner]

Especially appropriate, since they gave her Alolan Marowak in Let's Go.

[@dootsouls]

I would've personally kept Ice Punch for Jynx. It's kind of its signiture move in gen 1, but I can see why ice beam is preferred. Edit: same with Dodrio tri-attack

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah that's reasonable I definitely could've given the Pokémon some more moves to fit with their theming

[@ravinercf]

I would argue poliwarth should also have hypnosis instead of being a amenesia sweaper. Something like hypnosis submission surf and body slam, yeah it would be easier but it is a move more associated with the mon

[@guildmasterri5995]

​​@@RoryTheFiendthat move is also special in gen 1

[@stevensamuels4041]

Electric/ICE/fire Punch should do 120 damage with 5 App, it would be strong Signatur moves.

[@ravinercf]

@@stevensamuels4041 why?

[@ArchinaGM]

I still find it ironic how the best member of the E4 is the very first one you encounter. The other three have flaws so gargantuanly extreme they can be toppled with some basic team setup. Agatha can be a pain in edge-cases though imo that entire fight is just you rolling a dice and hoping things don't go horribly wrong with some terribly bad luck. Bruno is, well.. Bruno and Lance can literally be an instant win if you can KO their Gyarados and switch in a ghost-type.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Gen 1 ice moves are op, imagine playing the Japanese version and dealing with 30% freeze blizzards

[@deltaquarayza]

Grimsley has always been very easy for me. Marshal has Sturdy Sawk and Rock moves, Shauntal has a lot of bulky Pokémon, and Caitlin seems to have infinite coverage. Grimsley, on the other hand, has a Liepard.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Oof liepard slander, I get you though poor liepard could use a buff

[@victory8928]

Marshall without sawk is so easy cause monsters like archs can just shred the team with acrobatics. Archeops is quite good in the league. Its insane attack and move pool makes it a glass cannon with nuclear ammunition. Chandle as well. It mostly depends on the team though my meinshao did mince both Grimsly and sawk

[@kyleellis1825]

The issue is that his liepard doesn't use a competetive moveset.

[@diostaku2]

Golem on Bruno's team instead of Onix makes more sense, not only because no other trainer uses Golem or because Onix sucks, but also because unlike Onix, Golem does have limbs!, which makes him fit better in a fighting type team.😤 It would also make sense for Blue to change some Pokemon before the final battle, I mean, he's already done it before.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah Golem just fits in more since he's looks sturdy and strong which I feel are two descriptive words you can associate with Bruno and what his team should be I've "fixed" the johto elite 4 as well and I give Bruno some similar Pokémon that I feel fit his theme but aren't fighting type specifically And yeah I feel like blue since he is implied to catch so many Pokémon would switch up his team a bit more frequently to keep you on your toes and blue experimenting for what is truly the strongest team comp

[@diostaku2]

@@RoryTheFiend Also Blue replacing pokemon left and right would make Oak's words at the end make some sense, about treating his pokemon with love and not like tools or something like that (even though we all do that). And the Golem thing is simply logical, a Pokémon that evolves by trade that no one in Kanto uses, plus it has limbs! LIMBS!!! perfect for an Elite 4.

[@scandinaviannegro]

nerd alert: Bruno has an Onix in the anime, so has to be there.

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@scandinaviannegro Bruno only has an onix in the anime because he has one in the games, or so I'd assume

[@harrydsgn]

Love that you put Marowak on Agatha’s team! Always had the idea it should be on her team

[@shiruotakuno28]

Same

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah to me anyway it felt like an easy inclusion to make, I love pokemon that go with a gym leader or elite 4's theme but doesnt match their type, like Aaron's Drapion

[@genarftheunfuni5227]

What I love about that movement where you analyzed Arbok's moveset is that Smogon had the Yellow sprite, which is directly staring at you as if "Why am I still here? Just to suffer?"

[@DragonTheOneDZA]

Now fix all the bugs in gen 9

[@RoryTheFiend]

10 hour video minimum for that one

[@MarcusAlexandre1921]

Fixing the whole game?

[@sephiross6438]

I'd say the vid length is 24 hours.

[@patonosequecosa]

Bug aren't that bad in SV , like Lolix is pretty decent

[@goldenboy1805]

@@patonosequecosanot sure if you’re joking or not and in case you’re not, they meant “bug” as in the glitch fest in SV. not bug type pokemon.

[@Ramiestar]

I've always found it weird that in Red/Blue, the Elite 4 trainers' Pokemon use their "last 4" level up moves, but in Yellow, almost all of them have TM moves making them more formidable. Even more baffling, Agatha's Level 60 Gengar in Red/Blue knows both Toxic and Dream Eater. You can't use Dream Eater unless you're asleep! And if you use Toxic to poison an opponent, it can't be put to sleep!

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah Agatha's final Gengar is absolutely confusing, not sure why they didn't give it Hypnosis, or just replace Dream Eater with something else

[@calebowen2006]

Lorelei was always tricky for me because my teams back in the day usually consisted of a grass, fire, water, flying, dragon, and something else. The main issue i always had was that ice water is quite a tricky type combo defensively for a team designed around the grass fire water trio so while i never really lost to her i always got bruised up

[@baconlabs]

I'm starting to wonder if all of Onix's _hardest_ fans are compensating for something

[@RoryTheFiend]

OOOF, you might be on to something

[@kyleellis1825]

Gen 1 Onix should only be a toxic wrapper.

[@aidansherry17]

Love your videos!:) I've never played the XY games, but If I recall correctly, most of the gym leaders have small team rosters and not alot of moves? That could be a good future project for you maybe!

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thanks Aiden! you're right, I played through X and Y once, as a Nuzlocke with the exp share off, and the Gym Leaders still weren't that scary, definitely something I'm considering!

[@speedypichu6833]

It was my first game, and yeah they are easy. The largest team a gym leader has is 3 Pokémon (all except the first 2) and the elite four all have 4 Pokémon.

[@trollge6607]

You know, explosions are pretty hard to record into videos yet here you are, giving us banger after banger

[@ScarletRebel96]

I love this series please continue this

[@RoryTheFiend]

That's the plan 😎

[@bip_bip_lechuga]

Under leveled dragonite makes story sense in gen 2 if you consider team rocket forced shiny gyarados to evolve. Maybe his dragonite is a rescue as well, or it just happened like that during the raid as the signal was being broadcast and he was trying to stop them with a dragonair

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah that could be a plausible explanation for sure, honestly an interesting concept with pokemon being forced to evolve at lower levels

[@tlst94]

How'd Dragonite have looked like if it was more serpent-like? While cute-looking with blue and white color scheme? And shiny black eyes.

[@leonardooberdadealmeidamon2305]

Yay! Bruno finally has a proper team! I enjoyed your count a lot so far, and in my opinion you can go further if you don't limit yourself to pre-existing games, but also creatina now stories and regions has well. I think it would also be cool seen the Gen 3 games next, both the Hoenn games and the Gen 1 games remakes.

[@mpg272727]

Rather surprised you did not give Lance a Charizard given it's always been one of his signiture pokemon from Gen2 onwards. I get it might kind of devalue the gen1 starters given you or blue might have a charizard when you take on Lance but it is rather iconic of Lance, adds more type coverage and of course its always been a joke that Charizard looks like it would be a Dragon type. That and it's part flying which despite Lance claming to be a Dragon master he has always had more flying types than Dragon types. Oh I pray that one day someone goes and makes a rom with this exact elite four and with all the gyms and trainers in the game being more difficult too. Would be very fun, kind of like a Crystal Legacy but for Gen1

[@fluffyninja3467]

Agreed 🤌

[@firewarrior8298]

You know what’s interesting, with the exception of trace, every canonical champion of the indigo league has had a charizard, an aerodactyl, and a Gyarados at one point.

[@thecrispymaster]

I remember one KZbinr joking about Gen 2 Lance that he's just a souped up Falkner. In those games he doesn't have a single pokemon without the flying type

[@tlst94]

Kanto and Johto lacked Dragon Types. So how'd they've been like if existing mons were retyped before release? Being the; Charizard, Gyarados, Aerodactyl, Slowpoke, Ampharos, Yanma, and Horsea(pre-Kingdra) lines? Also, if Gen 2 had Regional Variants and made Lapras and Arbok part Dragons? While Kanto-Gyarados was Water/Dragon and its Johto Variant was Dark/Dragon? And if the scrapped "Omega" mon was released in Gen 2 as Steel/Dragon(with two pre-evolutions)?

[@Asidders]

Thank the lord for actually recommending to me good Pokémon videos. I didn't know they existed before.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you! youtube algorithm has really thrown me a bone lately, more content in the works!

[@TheBlueWizzrobe]

Fun video! Pokemon games really need a hard mode, and this seems like it would be a cool set up for a hard mode for the original games :) I especially approve of the improvements to Bruno. The poor guy really needs them.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you! Yeah it'd be great fun playing in a hard mode, nothing kaizo levels just a difficult challenge for a seasoned player. I'm glad you approve of Bruno, had a bit of fun giving fire blast to machamp but why not, and I'm actually trying to make it look like fighting types can do something in gen 1 lol

[@Starykins]

I recall the entire sinnoh league being easy because Glaceon has always been on my sinnoh teams

[@RoryTheFiend]

Glaceon seems like a menace in game

[@robertlupa8273]

You must be a _really_ big Glaceon fan then.

[@Starykins]

@@robertlupa8273 very much so

[@curiouscase0075]

Marowak is a great addition to Agatha’s team! The other Pokemon I thought might be a good addition is Ninetales.

[@kuwe4652]

Since Agatha is more of a poison specialist than ghost actually, I'd argue that Muk would be quite fitting... With minimize and acid armor it can also take quite some hits, if the ai allows it to set up (and the player doesn't just obliterate it before)

[@RoryTheFiend]

That's an interesting idea to lean more into her Poison type specialty, minimize would be a very trolly set to deal with, but that fits agatha's theme

[@tlst94]

But we've already got Koga as a Type specialist. And Elite Fours are just extra Gym Leaders imo.

[@darkshot4424]

I remember something about good ai from the video about beating the game without taking damage, if i remember right if the ai uses a move that inflicts status effect like sleep or paralysis, if you have a status condition it won't use the move to inflict the status condition because it already see that you have one and use a different move, great video by the way

[@brandondawson4086]

Kickass Awesome Job on this Video Dude! A couple of changes I would make based on your video is giving dodrio double team instead of double edge to make it more of a nuisance, Alakazam would be really mean and have substitute instead of Psybeam and if the Rival has Charizard, give it body slam instead of Slash since moves that always land a critical hit in Generation 1 ignore stat Buffs and debuffs. Also Ruby and Sapphire should be the next videos.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thanks Brandon! Yeah I think Dodrio could've been changed as well to maybe have tri attack even though it's worse than body slam since it'd fit better. And you're right on the Body Slam, somehow I didn't consider that when giving charizard swords dance! That being said at the very least auto crit slash can't be bad on him lol Ruby and Sapphire is interesting, Tate and Liza only having 2 mid pokemon would be one gym leader I'd be eager to change (creating a cool double strategy like how they have earthquake claydol and the rest of their team immune to it, will be fun to theory craft)

[@Baro_Fjellheim]

Rory: Does it learn Fire Blast? Gamefreak: Yes? Rory: Give it Fire Blast!

[@RoryTheFiend]

LOL Fire blast is such a good gen 1 move I went a bit crazy with it, afterall 30% burn chance? it was too tempting!

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

Solid fix team video. Well done, consider me subscribed. 👏

[@jeremyl2728]

I like most of changes but I feel like I would have switched go about out for file plume I just feel like that's more fitting for Agatha since it's based off of the corpse flower. Also having a stab mega drain is nice lol

[@RoryTheFiend]

That's a good shout, I'd actually considered Victreebel for Agatha but didn't even think about Vileplume!

[@nazeersadek6705]

I also remember the first time I battled Steven while it wasn’t the headrest battle I had to endure (that honor goes to Cynthia) he really gave me a hard time especially with his 2 fossils

[@yokaipinata1416]

Amazing work. ❤Also totally loved how you borrowed from Clair's book for the Dragonair, and from Let's Go for Agatha (namely, I'm pretty sure she had Marowak there-- an Alolan one, since that's a thing in that game, but just the nod to the Pokémon Tower plotline alone more than justifies the whole thing). A bit surprised you didn't replace the Golbat given the lack of real options you acknowledged yourself, but the justification makes sense. Arbok for Lance definitely was innovative here. Not exactly the most dragonesque thing around, but as far as our roster's options go, a snake makes the cut just fine. I was half-expecting Seadra, but I guess that would have been too redundant on Gyarados. A minor note, but I've always found it weird that when people name the traditional starter type core, they say it in the order of "Fire, Water, Grass", when going off the way the Pokédex, and consequently the moment of the choice in the games, order the starters, it should be "Grass, Fire, Water". Nothing against you specifically, nor some petty complaint, just something I consider an oddity in the fanbase at large.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you so much! sorry for the late response some comments slip through the cracks but I randomly decided to deep dive and see if there's any cool comments I missed! Yeah I try and pull inspiration from several different sources, but at the same time not lean too heavily into that and use my own justifications and pokemon that make sense thematically but haven't been used by the trainers before, it's an interesting balance to go for anyway lol Yeah for Lance I did consider seadra but ultimately I decided to not go for it since Gyarados exists and kinda 1 ups seadra (sorry seadra), and yeah Arbok because it is a snake like and well that's along the lines of a dragon, well as close as you can reach for gen 1 standards. Also interesting comment, yeah fire water grass core sounds right to say doesn't it but you're right grass comes first so you'd think it'd be said first then, interesting point I have never even thought of before. Also just for that I wanna say a random thing: Fighting, Rock, Flying form a type match up like Grass, Water, Fire, it'd be cool to see those 3 types as secondary types for starters to double up on the rock paper scissors vibe they have going on, or balance it out so each starter ends up being sort of more neutral to each other in the end o_0

[@yokaipinata1416]

@@RoryTheFiend Yes, that's kind of what I didn't like about Gen 6 doing secondary typings of Fighting, Psychic and Dark; they arranged it to double down on the existing matchups, when it would have been more interesting to invert it so that every starter is vulnerable to both of the others. No worries about the late reply. I actually feel very pleasantly surprised when something I said several weeks back suddenly gets addressed. It gives me something to direct my attention towards. ❤️ I never did elaborate on why I thought of Seadra, but it's because iirc Lance actually has one in Let's Go. However, it's not like we're here to simply copy what others have done without further insight, and as we already agreed, it would just be redundant when he also has Gyarados

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@yokaipinata1416 I thought the same with the gen 6 starters (btw fixing kalos gym leaders is on my to-do list next) I totally agree that it'd be cool sure they start off mono type water loses to grass but when they evolves now the water starter actually can threaten the grass starter, and therefore ultimately your rivals don't have a 1-up against you (or 1-down) but no matter what starter you pick you have to be weary of the other two with it being more evenly matched. Well I'm glad you were pleasantly surprised honestly I was not expecting a response especially this quickly lol, sorry if my responses were a bit poor grammatically it's 2:30am here. but yeah thank you for your comment If you end up watching my kalos video I hope you enjoy it, gonna be fun trying to toughen those guys up

[@yokaipinata1416]

@@RoryTheFiend I'm definitely interested and will try to look at that video shortly after it drops, Gen 6 really just needs a complete makeover to its game design. ❤️ And yes, I have a thing for replying immediately to things in general, albeit I can't always do so as of late. Its ironic because I tend to take a long time to get any tasks done, but when someone messages me? I'm already on it two seconds later.

[@AmberLB93]

good choice of Arbok for Lance. historically, snakes were the original dragons.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Gotta thank the commenters from my Fixing Johto series for that idea, Snakes definitely pass as a dragon in a game where there's only 1 official dragon type line

[@robertlupa8273]

*QotD:* The Unova Elite 4 kicked my ass when I played Black for the first time about a year ago, to the point that I was genuinely frustrated at them. The only one I didn't have any problems with was Marshal and that's only because my Sigilyph dodged every Rock Slide and Stone Edge thrown at her. Otherwise he'd probably be tough too. My team just wasn't built to handle Psychic and Ghost types very well. As for the weak ones... if we exclude the Johto E4 (for obvious reasons), then I guess it's Flint? He ended up being way less scary than I thought he'd be. And who could forget his Flareon spamming Fire moves against my Gardevoir who Traced his Flash Fire? Peak comedy. :D

[@RoryTheFiend]

based for using a Sigilyph, I'm using one playing through Black 2 right now! I think Flint might need to study up on Pokemon abilities, that's so funny the ai doesn't recognize Flash Fire (I'll keep that in mind if I ever nuzlocke gen 4)

[@t.j.fountain3414]

If Nemona counts as a champion, she was definitely a really tough fight for me. She's definitely the real champion fight to me, I swear they made Geeta underwhelming for the purpose of not overshadowing Nemona.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Not played s/v so I can't comment but from what I've seen Geeta has the wrong order of Pokémon? Like glimora isn't her lead Pokémon, and kingambit isn't her last pokemon

[@t.j.fountain3414]

@@RoryTheFiend Yeah... she can send out her Kingambit second to last in a good situation. But her Glimmora is her Ace, meaning she's coded to send them out LAST. A setup pokemon.

[@bluejames3698]

I really like how creative you were, considering gen 1’s many flaws! I’m on board with all changes, except for the Champion…. I’d make these changes instead: -Pidgeot (to iconic to change, but take away Whirlwind and Wing Attack); -Alakazam; -Taurus/Kangaskhan/Nidoran (Maybe Taurus, but all are better at Rhidon’s job tho, being bulky and powerfu); This is my personal twist: Blue will have the following 3 types of Pokémon, his starter, an eevelution and a “beast”. -Vaporeon (for Charizard)/ Jolteon (for Blastoise) and Flameon (For Venusaur); -Gyarados (for Venusaur)/ Arcanine (for Blastoise) and Exeggutor (for Charizard); -His starter; Maybe I’d change what starter will give Gary his eveelution or “best”, but I think this change is justified by giving Blue his iconic eevee and giving more variety to the champion fight. Great vid!

[@RoryTheFiend]

Hey thanks for your comment! Yeah Gen 1 is crazy with its limitations and bugs, every other minute I felt like I was explaining some flaw with a move or the ai. it felt like I had to lean the pokemon more offensively just so the ai has less of a chance to click a move that wastes their turn! I love your idea for the champion, a different Eeveelution to compliment their starter is a good shout!

[@absol_0582]

How or where did you make those templates where you put the pokemon and its movements?

[@RoryTheFiend]

Manually edited from the bulbapedia templates, just a lot of careful cutting and pasting and rewriting text (I'm glad they use a basic font), it takes a little bit of time but nothing too crazy

[@trulyagoose]

QOTD: Siebold had 8 year old me in a chokehold. (Pokemon Y). As a player who, back then, only used attacking moves, and had a primarily water and ground type team, the water pokemon onnhis team washed me away.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah I actually think Siebold is the best elite 4 member in X and Y (which I'll talk about in my next video coming out hopefully a week on saturday!) I relate tho as a kid I struggled so much with the elite 4s and champions since I'd just have awful movesets like gyarados with surf and rock smash, or my OG haunter had return lol

[@megarayquaza2240]

Arbok is also in the Dragon Egg group. So it being on Lance's team makes sense

[@thewindysage1538]

In a no hold barred moveset review with gen 9 movesets,would you go all out with strats like giving cloyster shell smash or dragon dance dragonite?

[@RoryTheFiend]

I mean definitely not completely no hold barred, as the goal is to be challenging like a hard mode but nothing too ridiculously difficult. That being said shell smash closyer and dragon dance dragonite sound reasonable depending on the rest of their moveset and for when you see them in game

[@mrcoldmiser]

Cynthia was really the first champion where they sat down and wondered what kind of team a real trainer might beat the E4 with

[@Mobtrapper-hq8is]

What are your opinions on how LGPE handled the elite 4?

[@dankester5607]

A Dodrio without Tri-Attack is like day without sunshine

[@thewindysage1538]

Will you do one for hoenn or do you believe that from gen 3 onwards movesets were good enough?

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah I plan to, the games after gen 2 are still plenty flawed in their gym leader and elite 4 team structures, emerald and x and y are what people have been bringing up the most for me to do next

[@ethan6483]

I would give Agatha Hypno, Parasect, Marowak, Ninetales, and Gengar. It fits the creepy theme of her team, and tbh I would just make the first four all part ghost type anyway.

[@buzinessdog]

this was such a nice video

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you buzinessdog :) I've done more videos on gen 1 and gen 2 as well if you haven't seen them!

[@TheRichmaster24]

strong selection there

[@HenryXLII]

I'm curious to see if there will be a ROM hack for this similar to your GSC video. This is definitely something I'd want to try out!

[@RoryTheFiend]

Something I'd definitely play on stream as well if it happens, someone made a ROM for me for crystal but I dunno about red and blue so I might take it into my own hands if I can find the right tools

[@TrayolLyrics]

I really liked all of these changes. Very thematic and cognizant of the Gen 1 jank. QOTD: BDSP Cynthia is by far the hardest champion. ILCA pumped the already difficult Cynthia full of smogon steroids and set her loose on unsuspecting players.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah I've seen some of those strong sets, I gotta say BDSP doesn't look that good to me but they look like they have some of the toughest battles ever

[@itonner231]

On your champion’s charizard, since slash always crits and crits aren’t effected by stat boosts in gen 1, wouldn’t it make sense to replace that if you are setting up with swords dance? Otherwise, only earthquake is improved. Maybe body slam or hyper beam would be better choices?

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah both of those are great ideas! I think my thought process was slash is a nice strong attack that charizard can use turn 1, no need to set up if it doesn't have a chance to, but yeah swords dance hyper beam would be insane

[@Chainy871]

Great video! If youre continuing with these videos where you fix pokemon teams, Id love to see a video about fixing black and whites gym leaders/elite four. I love those games, but the important trainers were (for the most part) pretty underwhelming

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you! Good shout, I love gen 5 as well o_o in fact Im thinking of doing a review / love letter about bw2 in the future!

[@Kwevin6659]

My main memory of Kanto is Firered. One time I reached the elite 4 with a team of early level 40 pokemon because I straight up just didn't want to grind levels. Spent weeks grinding matches for the right RNG I needed with each Elite 4 member, made it to Blue with 8 fresh waters to my name. I beat him in 2 tries. Still have this save file, no idea how I did it, my snorlax was my surfer while I had a vaporeon on the team. Didn't even use the fresh waters.

[@Nevi_A10]

Day one 6.55k subs. Let’s see you get 7k by tomorrow

[@RoryTheFiend]

7k subs would be incredible o_o but as long as my current subs enjoy the vid I'll be happy with this vid :)

[@AmberLB93]

I struggled against Iris' Archeops in White 2. I had nothing to easily knock it down to defeatist range with so it was tough

[@RoryTheFiend]

Acrobatics Archeops is no joke, Iris is such a fun battle and I love her theme

[@hussarya3380]

I'm curious how would you fix Kanto's Gym Leaders and Elite Four in FireRed or Let's GO. There are more moves, "good AI" isn't a thing, Sp. Atk and Sp. Def are different stats, also Let's GO has Physical/Special Split, Alolan Form and even Mega Evolutions.

[@RoryTheFiend]

I can definitely see myself doing the FireRed LeafGreen games in this video format in the future. it'll give so much more flexibility since so far I've had to cater to gen 1 and gen 2 AI and moves lol

[@redacculous]

Trace but you can't beat him blindfolded while eating a sandwich would be interesting

[@atomskShadox]

I'm honestly fine with gym leaders, Elite 4 members, and other super specialists having illegal pokemon with illegal movesets, especially if the move fits the Pokemon well without being horrendously overpowered. If anyone knows how to get a precociously evolved Dragonite and then teach it a move it cant normally learn it would definitely be the Dragon master with three Dragons from the same Dragon line who is a descendant of the dragon training clan in dragon training city.

[@dootsouls]

Marshal always does a good job at 1-shotting everything I use

[@RoryTheFiend]

Lad has some strong attackers

[@DrFriksi]

Pure counter to Agatha is just using your pokeflute every time she puts you to sleep

[@RoryTheFiend]

Agatha in shambles when you start playing the flute like you're the pied piper

[@500938ful]

I had a ton of issues with kukui in my first playthrough of sun and moon because my team had a bad matchup against lycanroc specifically.

[@sebarsht12]

I loved this. Gave me Pokémon Yellow vibes since they updated their movesets though not to the level you did My only concern is Blue's Charizard, if it had swords dance only Earthquake will benefit since (I've watched too much JRose) critical hits in Gen 1 ignore all boosts including your own

[@Mobtrapper-hq8is]

0:39 Not exactly a champion but Volo was definitely very strong and cinematic. To this day it’s the best Pokémon battle I’ve experienced.

[@RoryTheFiend]

not played or seen much of PLA but I've heard people are a fan of Volo, I'm glad to hear people mention trainers from the recent pokemno games being tough and fun!

[@Mobtrapper-hq8is]

@@RoryTheFiend another hard trainer in recent games is the final boss of Pokémon Scarlet. Violet also has decent difficulty, but their teams are completely different so obviously one would be stronger than the other, and it’s Scarlet by a long shot.

[@Mobtrapper-hq8is]

(I didn’t say their names to avoid spoilers for those who haven’t played)

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@Mobtrapper-hq8is respect, we keep it spoiler safe here

[@IndianaJables]

In Pokémon stadium gym leader castle, Agatha ran a Venusaur. I always thought that’d be cool to see her run in the main line games.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah honestly I did consider that! I was thinking it'd be possible to incorporate all of the starters for the elite 4, Lorelei gets blastoise, Agatha venusuar and Lance charizard, so no matter what starter you have one of these E4 members has a bad and good matchup for it, and well rip Bruno dunno what he'd get

[@yoshistar8985]

How would the tri attack on Cloyster help with haunters and Gengar? Sorry I’m not very knowledgeable on gen 1 mechanics

[@RoryTheFiend]

Essentially it turns it into a 50/50 on if cloyster uses explosion or tri attack, This could happen if the player has a Pokémon that resists water and ice moves, making cloyster want to use a normal move So it's not a free switch to the players ghost type Pokémon and they risk cloyster using tri attack on the first turn then swapping to clamp or ice beam turn 2 It's not a perfect solution but it should hopefully make the player think twice and assess the risk

[@yoshistar8985]

@@RoryTheFiend thanks for explaining it!

[@rjante2236]

​@@RoryTheFiendThis doesn't work as you intended. In Gen 1, the AI does not choose their attack until after you attack.

[@eddys.595]

Thank you!

[@speedypichu6833]

Important note, in gen 1, crits ignore your stat boosts, so swords dance would not boost Slash’s damage. It doesn’t matter given how limited Charizard (or honestly any Pokémon) are in gen 1.

[@aaronowens8941]

I always looked at Agetha as a Poison-type E4 member.

[@StormDragonZ]

I remember Ghost-type Shauntal from Gen 5 being more difficult for me than the other Elite Four members of that Generation.

[@RoryTheFiend]

As a ghost type appreciator I'm glad she posed a challenge to some people

[@whydoyougottahavthis]

That garydose fucked me in the A running through my whole team more than a few times

[@jakeryker3751]

Lorelei always has a special place in my heart because she showed how dumb I was as a kid. She was my fist elite 4 ever in leaf green. All I had was my over leveled Blastoise. Back then I had no concept of coverage moves so it had all water moves. The battle was over as soon as she sent out her water absorb Lapras.

[@RoryTheFiend]

She must've made you think the elite 4 were insanely tough compared to the gym leaders

[@jakeryker3751]

@@RoryTheFiend not necessarily, it did definitively teach me a lesson on why they give us 6 Pokémon😅 Took me a bit longer to figure out your Pokémon don’t need to only have stab moves

[@codybutler7742]

QOTD: For a hard e4 member, Draiton had me using X-items and mid battle revives. Mostly cause I'm not good at double battles. As for easy E4 members, even in Nuzzlockes, the only e4 member that has ever given me trouble in xy is Wixtrum. So ig the rest of the Kalos E4.

[@Luvatar]

Giving Charizard both Slash and Swords Dance is counter-productive. Slash will never benefit from the Swords Dance because Gen 1 crit's ignore stat boosts.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

Interestingly the E4 seem to be almost based around TCG types than actual types from the game. In an early episodes of the Indigo League you even see the TCG type symbols appear, such as in the Pokemon Center in Pewter City and in the literal gym in the Punchy Pokemon. Lorelei matches TCG's water type, Bruno matches TCG's fighting type, Agatha matches TCG's psy type and Lance matched TCG's colorless type.

[@Livvvid]

:25. I'm glad you mentioned this. as a kid in the 90s blue's team and the others WERE hard because for a kid we barely paid attention. but yeah obviously playing, even as a casual pokemon fan now, they're easy.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah when I was a kid pokemon was tough even when I outlevelled them! So here I'm wanting to create something close to what a potential official hard mode would look like

[@speedypichu6833]

I will be honest, I found Siebold difficult as a kid. The reason is I had no electric or rock coverage, and my only decent answers were weak to ground, so he just used Dragon Dance and Earthquake, which I didn’t even know what speed or stat boosts do.

[@fortello7219]

I would have kept aurura beam on degong. Just because it has a chance to lower a stat. Nice bit of variety.

[@justboschma5047]

What about Mr mine for Agatha, it fits with her theme of being a creepy Pokemon and it gets barely used in Gen 1. Also together with Hypo, it means you only have 1 Gengar from the line? :) ❤

[@warrockenjoyer2170]

If I'm being honest, the hardest E4 member I can remember even with my team of 100s when I was but a wee baby was Bertha from Platinum. That granny would be the bane of my existence.

[@RoryTheFiend]

She's got some threats like Rock Wrecker Rhyperior, that's gonna do some decent damage no matter what level you are o_o

[@BoltBlades12]

Funnily enough, in Agatha rematch in LGPE, she has an Alolan Marowak

[@moralessanchezoscarelias6412]

Nice vid! There is a bug / secret feature in Gen 1, that causes Body Slam to only inflict paralysis when the user is a Normal type pokemon. Also: The Yellow version has way better movesets! Never knew that they were so lame in RB versions!

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah wasn't that a fairly recent discovery? Like people for the longest time just thought they were unlucky not getting the para when body slaming normal types? Yeah yellow did a decent job improving the RB bosses, seriously just brunos team as a whole is so bad

[@AlexBelte3002]

I think the bug is not working that way : body slam does paralyze whether it's used by a normal type or not, but the thing is, if i remember well, that body slam CAN'T paralyze normal types pokemons

[@BrotherHood-xh9sg]

Remember how difficult Lorelei was in pokemon tower defence? That god damm dewgong slide broke me as a kid xD

[@skibot9974]

If you ever do this for FRLG will you stick to the Kanto Dex restrictions or allow Pokémon like Crobat and Steelix

[@RoryTheFiend]

Good question, I'd be tempted to give them Crobat and Steelix but that would feel a bit unfair since the player can't do it, although you could make the argument that's just a restriction because the player is still in their main story, so you could argue that the elite 4 have already been there and done that and can use some evolutions like the ones you mentioned.

[@dootsouls]

​​@@RoryTheFiendI would argue that if a pokemon could be obtainable without the natdex restrictions, it should be availible. (Screw the restrictions anyway)

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@dootsouls yeah I get that, the restrictions are pretty annoying, like bro give me crobat please

[@raynmanshorts9275]

Imagine using an Awakening in Gen I after getting the Poke Flute.

[@porchradio]

4:00 how do you make your own version of these?

[@RoryTheFiend]

Just using photo editing software, I'm using free software called paint.net to edit bulbapedia info cards to what I need, it's a bit tedious but not too hard to do

[@sebarsht12]

I think Hoenn gym leaders and elite 4 are in need of the same treatment plus I enjoy the idea of an elite 4 specialising in 2 types each, Sidney - Dark and Poison - Sharpedo, Seviper, Cacturne, Crobat, Absol Phoebe - Ghost and Fighting - Sableye, Medicham, Banette, Machamp, Dusclops Glacia - Ice and Water - Sealeo, Pelipper, Tentacruel, Glalie, Walrein Drake - Dragon and Fire - Torkoal, Flygon, Kingdra, Blaziken, Salamence Steven - Steel and Flying Skarmory, Altaria, Aggron, Gyarados, Metagross.

[@calamitoso0066]

Why dodrio does not have tri attack?

[@blind8478]

Nice video, I always theorized about buffing/changing Gyms and their leaders. Let me have a little twist on this: Lorelei: Blastoise instead of Slowbro: It learns ice beam/blizzard and generally fits more into her team imho (particularly since slowbro shares typing with jynx) + all people are supposed to get a starter pokemon so why shouldn't elite 4 use their's as well? Bruno and Agatha are fine Lance: Go Charizard instead of Arbok (OG "should have been a dragon all along" - moment here + same argument as blastoise on lorelei) Champ/Garyy/Blue: Venusaur instead of exeggutor all the time and only switch arcanine/gyarados if necessary -> 1. Blue is supposed to collect pokemon for Oak/Dex, so having acquired a potential 2nd starter pkmn is acceptable. 2. Complete the full starter trio within the elite 4 for some flavour

[@pokepress]

I’m guessing the Arbok and Golbat on Agatha’s team were intended to be “scary” Pokémon to fit in with the ghosts.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah, they do work compared to the majority of the rest of the pokemon in the game, just interesting the devs didnt decide to put in a 2nd ghost type in the game to help agatha's team out a bit

[@Spoopid0]

Hypno may not be a ghost or poison type but I think it would fit on Agatha's team. If there aren't enough ghost types I would always add hypno to the team.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah I can totally see that working! that's something I never considered for her

[@thecouncil719]

Bro this video is really good! Would you ever consider doing a romhack? I'd love to play this.

[@RoryTheFiend]

I would love to make a romhack of this, if you've seen my "fixing johto" videos there is a rom with my changes on it already!

[@SomPsiko]

Ngl, I recently played through diamond again and had a game plan for cynthia, being a will o wisp gengar, dragon dance intimidating gyarados, and more, all roughly around level 59, and I narrowly lost due to my sp atk infernape's focus miss against her Lucario Cynthia is a runbreaker, whether you're old or young

[@RoryTheFiend]

I had a dragon dancing gyarados as well! It really helped me against the elite 4, rip focus miss doing what it does best Cynthia has strong Pokémon with a good mixture of types, one of the better champions imo!

[@GodBroly]

Also everyone gets it wrong Agatha is a death specialist she's older (close to death) uses poison types (poison meant to kill) and ghosts (self explanatory)

[@hadouwave3360]

Ninetales or hypno could also replace arbok for Agatha too since they kind have a spooky factor to them but marowak is cool too

[@_Koyomi_]

As a kid, I didn't really have a problem with Cynthia. My team was Infernape, Staraptor, Gliscor, Garchomp, Drapion, and Gyarados. I had more trouble against her in Undella Town since she literally came out of nowhere

[@infinityalbi9840]

I love this! Will you continue for the other generations? Sorry if I'm annoying 😅

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you! I'm glad you've enjoyed this! No you're not annoying, It makes my day seeing people comment on my videos saying they liked it, also yes I will continue for other generations! I've already done Gen 2 so if you haven't sen that then you can watch it here in this playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLcQWyhZIDi0zOXNOHhV3BkgbvnKtBzYhg

[@infinityalbi9840]

@@RoryTheFiend I've watched them too. I don't know why, but yours is the type of video I can watch over and over without getting bored.

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@infinityalbi9840 Hey I'm glad! Editing these videos somewhere along the line my thought process starts to be quite critical of everything, thinking I've done a bad job and it's boring. I think that just comes with the territory of spending many hours hearing your voice over and over and getting self conscious about it all, so usually when I post these vids I have a bit of doubt in the back of my mind about them. Also I try to not overdo it with my voice or sound effects like some youtubers, so I hope my presentation style is fine for people. Thank you for your comment :)

[@infinityalbi9840]

@@RoryTheFiend you're welcome :)

[@bloodytyran9245]

Another argument for marowak is that it does have a ghost type in its other form

[@lucanigro7316]

10/10 perfection

[@RoryTheFiend]

Thank you!

[@silvereyes92]

For the last Charizard, Im pretty sure swords dance doesn't work together with slash. When a pokemon crits in gen 1, it ignores the stat changes, including the increases

[@RoryTheFiend]

You're correct, swords dance is mainly for earthquake in this instance

[@sungmin7723]

28:31 just want to say that crits in gen 1 also ignored stat boosts, so slash would not benefit from swords dance sadly

[@ShinAk1raSama]

For theming, I'd have thought that Ninetales (kyuubi) or Jynx (yama-uba) would have fit well in Agatha's team. A hilarious throwback to a fan theory would be to give her an Electrode. Also, your Lance's Dragonite is basically Pokémon Yellow's but with Thunderbolt instead of Thunder and Ice Beam instead of Blizzard. I'd have given it Blizzard, due to its 90% accuracy.