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[@BigBoyJay_69]

It's always ethical to pirate Adobe products

[@R_wir3]

​@@UberFoX yup, Artista Pirata is the voice!

[@th3R0b0t]

@@UberFoX The ones that can travel abroad too all islands... compact in nature... could even call them, Portable.

[@jackoneil3933]

But why would you want to when there are betterb customer respecting options available?

[@muscularclouds]

ITS GOOD FOR YOUR HEALTH TOO!😂

[@thesidneychan]

​​​@@jackoneil3933no, there aren't better options than Adobe for some workflows. At least not yet. When that happens we can jump ship.

[@Red-fr3ix]

If buying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing. I sent an email to Adobe customer support letting them know that I'm changing the TOS and allowing myself to own all of their software at no cost. By accepting my email, they've agreed to the TOS, and in order to file a dispute, they need to send a certified letter weighing exactly 1.337oz and sealed with wax the exact color of my asshole. Failure to do so constitutes acceptance of my new TOS.

[@ventilate4267]

LMFAO 😂 laughed too hard at this

[@yesiyahh]

creative fraud bruh

[@WDC_OSA]

The inside of your asshole or the outer ring?

[@shedou662]

this is the best thing I read this year

[@TheSmokeWatcher]

I’ve said less than this and gotten censored by Yt 😂

[@TheCod3r]

I cancelled my Adobe subscription over this. I pirated it instead. Thanks Adobe for saving me £20 a month, times are tough!

[@stevenbjerke2825]

Same

[@husky3g]

$20 a month for hobbyists is insane anyway. I do Photoshop but rarely. The fact that in order to have a genuine copy of Photoshop now, I'd have to pay $20/month for something I might use only once a month is crazy.

[@fallenleaf24]

Good call!

[@cupofmozzarella]

@@husky3g Yeah it should be usage based. Let the occasional creator do what they want and then later make them pay to use it consistently. Back when I did a lot of videogaming, I sometimes liked to create custom skins for my car that would only be possible with Photoshop. I'm not gonna pay for it with a usecase like that lmao

[@illdeletethismusic]

imagine if people paid that much to the developers of Gimp, it could be the industry standard already

[@Cyberlisk]

If Adobe sold furniture: "Hello dear customer, a year ago, you bought a high quality desk from us, and we decided to change our terms of service. In order to continue using our product, we need your door keys so we check the situation and improve our products with the information gathered. We also claim the right to make copies of any work you created on this desk. We however will not actually do that, because have we ever stolen from you? We do not intend to do so in future - unless of course, you don't agree to the new terms, then we'll come to your home and take the desk including everything on it."

[@ItsJustAdrean]

This is EXACTLY what they're doing.

[@grizwastheshizz]

Very well said.

[@ponponpatapon9670]

(Adobe voice) "We don't want to steal from you XD we just want the option to in the future!"

[@Lmnop913]

Nicely put!! 🎉

[@gta4everrr]

Perfect analogy. If they really wanted to press their updated TOS in a way that was fair, you'd be able to opt out and they'd give you an option to download the content you had hosted their servers before they deleted it, along with giving you a partial refund for the remainder of your current subscription period.

[@gringbot]

Adobe: "Piracy is stealing, and stealing is wrong" Also Adobe: "We are entitled to own your creative work, not you"

[@richcherwalk6349]

We went through feudalism and discovered the reintier class was wicked evil. Adobe will rent you your art to you perpetually; good guys!

[@jaybuck4951]

Adobe: "We own the work that you create with our software. But you do not own our software that you pay for."

[@0mikr0n]

So what we've learned is that corpos don't disagree with theft. They just disagree with theft that isn't happening on their terms.

[@thingi]

The definition is stealing/theft is thus:- A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and “thief” and “steal” shall be construed accordingly..... So piracy is not theft because it does not permanently deprive the other of it since it is merely a copy.

[@Semperf11]

Yo this comment is how i understand 😂 I deleted my adobe account ganna miss photoshop

[@VRGamingTherapy]

Louis risks his advertisement revenue to speak truth. We need this man.

[@rossmanngroup]

You can't risk what you don't have, so not much risk here for me. My channel has been No sponsors, "brand unsafe", and yellow dollar signs for monetization For a long time. And make no mistake, they're badges of honor! Wear them proudly. They are signs of a life well lived. I guarantee you I was not missing out on the Audible, NordVPN, raycon, Intel, etc sponsorship because of this video. That ship sailed 10 years ago...

[@BR1.618]

What advertisement revenue? 🤣

[@Chuxonja]

what advertisement revenue xD stuff like that is probably long gone from here and that's a good thing

[@TheRealLoganJosh]

@@rossmanngroupI speak the truth too, and wow do people hate smelling the coffee. Except for us subscribed yo your channel that is!

[@t3chnicolor]

First time here @vrgamingtherapy? 😂

[@qaulwart]

A lot of people say Louis is extreme, goes too far. I say, the world has gone mad and Louis is a rare voice of reason in all of this madness.

[@realmichaud]

He's extremely right!

[@anujmchitale]

Extremely righteous, empathetic and helpful.

[@pointvector1951]

I'd say those people are shills.

[@EvilEyeWeddings]

Crazy times when truth is considered extreme.

[@hoodiegal]

The fact that they say "we *have never* (trained generative AI on customer content)" is both very deliberate and a complete non sequitur. They've never done that because they haven't legally been able to. Customers aren't upset over whether or not they HAVE trained AI on customer content, they are upset they're changing the TOS to allow them to train AI on customer content GOING FORWARD. It's like walking up to someones car with a crowbar, a hose, and an empty gasoline can and saying "don't worry, i've never stolen petrol from anyone before".

[@VivK-mt7kj]

Love this metaphor 😂 thank you for making me chuckle

[@kindlin]

@@VivK-mt7kj It's so good, cuz it's true.

[@LouisWritingSomethingCrazy]

lol, Adobe pulled the corporate version of "I'm sorry you're upset."

[@burnburn645]

npd behavior detected! must go no-contact.

[@arnox4554]

"We're sorry you didn't get the experience you wanted." Holy shit, just typing that sentence out pissed me off.

[@cujoedaman]

And it was followed up with "but..."

[@dazykuri]

We're so sorry.

[@GemGames3]

"I'm sorry you feel that way" :)

[@panqueque445]

Taking your files hostage until you click "accept" should be fucking illegal. Holy shit.

[@kyneticist]

It's literally extortion.

[@furrydegenarate]

basically ransosmeware

[@vgstb]

it is illegal, now you fork out a 100 grand to sue them for a decade and obtain a bandage to stop the bleeding

[@sword-and-shield]

Its not, should have read all that fine print before subscribing huh.

[@derekstiles364]

​@@sword-and-shieldEULAS as contracts are about as legit as the tp i used to wipe with yesterday.

[@dxg999]

It's worth pointing out that, in research studies, "opt-out" is never considered an acceptable alternative for securing informed consent. It should always be "opt-in."

[@skitterly]

Especially with machine learning since it is a “black box” system, making it very difficult to remove something once it’s in.

[@hideshisface1886]

I really love how Adobe clarifies that "we don't claim ownership over your stuff, you own your content, we just give ourselves a gateway in our license to use it however and whenever we want for free, but we won't claim your copyright" But here's the deal - doing whatever and whenever you want is the very definition of ownership. "Tell me you steal my content without telling me you steal my content".

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

"Yes your wife is here with me and we're going on a trip together, but don't worry, I'm not claiming ownership, she is still your wife."

[@DawnClark-wj9ix]

@@youuuuuuuuuuutube Oh my gosh 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jerseyshoredroneservices225]

The cop doesn't have to say that you're under arrest if he has arrested you.

[@MrJedi515]

Stop saying "It's always ethical to pirate Adobe products", start saying "I'm so repulsed by constant Adobe malpractices that I refuse to even pirate their software, let alone buy it."

[@0LoneTech]

Sounds more like Adobe's goals, terms and methods are so toxic it's *unsafe* to use them, whether pirated or not.

[@abdelkarimouzzine5671]

Try finding a replacement for Lightroom Classic. Capture One and Darktable are unfortunately hot garbage.

[@CTomCooper]

I’ve been enjoying Clip Studio Paint for the past few days. Feels a lot more streamlined for artists, and close enough to photoshop’s quality when it comes to drawing and painting that I’m comfortable making the switch.

[@ilonachan]

It's really funny to think that normally it's the PIRATED version of software that brings the risk of data theft and spyware... and I guess Adobe decided to switch it up a bit.

[@Lilithlun]

@@CTomCooper CSP is definitely a quality product and an industry standard for drawing and painting, too bad they too switched from a single charge perpetual license to a bullshit subscription that they had to backpedal a little after a massive backlash from the community (always online model, confusing terms of service, etc.). They settled for a weird and still exploitative hybrid that basically pushes you to make a subscription if you want any update or access to the new main version (that they plan to push out once a year). Sorry for the rant, but this is coming from someone that loves the software and is concerned to see Celsys live enough to become the villain.

[@King_Slime1xp]

I'm done with Adobe. Cancelled my plan. Done and dusted

[@josesoto2342]

Same

[@bubby372]

@@josesoto2342 how do you uninstall their crap after you cancel?

[@brunofeitosafl]

huhuuu

[@GYTCommnts]

💪🍻

[@piggypiggypig1746]

Me too. Just as soon as I’m done with my latest project.

[@Coldclood]

Im a mechanic at a local parking place and it's personally stressing me out that I cannot fix or even diagnose most of the issues we have with these 2022+ models. I am fed up feeling useless because anytime I call a company 9/10 times I am told I cannot access the software/schematics for safety or policy reasons. Im basically just a lube tech with a degree at this point

[@ItsJustAdrean]

I wish just one, ONE auto manufacturer would heed this and release models that AREN'T locked down, impossible to repair, with stupid warranty policies. But no, they want their products in the junker so people buy more.

[@megamastah]

Yes, the cancer is all-encompassing.

[@DefaultFlame]

@@ItsJustAdrean Any company that did that would make bank, except for the fact that the established automakers would turn their finest congressmen, lawyers, and smear merchants on them to destroy them. "XYZ is unsafe, watch this clip of us doing something to the car that our own cars would also fail." "We need to uphold the safety and quality standards in the industry." "We have (unverified) reports that XYZ's A, B, and C components are manufactured by near-slave labor (just like ours)."

[@ItsJustAdrean]

@@DefaultFlame If only a legal and press team behind the hypothetical Auto-Messiah-Company would point out exactly what you said in quotations But at that point I'm sure hit-men would be hired!

[@earthtaurus5515]

5:50 - 8:50 As someone who used to write contracts for a previous job. I can categorically state all *legal* documents *must* have a definitions section which *define* what each *key* term means to remove all ambiguity and *reasonable* doubt - as in the court of law *guilt* needs to be prove beyond a *reasonable doubt* . Thank you Louis, folks this is why I respect Louis Rossman hell of a lot as he is teaching hell of alot of people how to safeguard themselves with simple facts.

[@Sound557]

“I am altering the deal. Pray I do not alter it any further.” -Adobe, probably

[@LegXacy]

lmao

[@Charles_Bro-son]

"This deal is getting worse all the time."

[@countzero1136]

Very well them - we will sidestep the deal. Aaaargh!

[@slappedegg1056]

Love the star wars reference

[@wrathfirex]

​@Charles_Bro-son this is the best deal ever! After given clown shoes and unicycle

[@clementpruvost8670]

Louis : let me just destroy a company because they deserve it.

[@ARockRaider]

to be fair, this company destroyed themselves and Louis is just pointing and laughing at them!

[@pdamasco]

It's been a LONG time coming for Adobe. They have established patterns of this type of behavior over several decades.

[@vinsanity40k]

go get 'em louis 😄

[@WiseBallMNE]

Louis is more than fair to Adobe. They force you to stop using their software because you can't guarantee privacy to your clients. When you switch to other software you can guarantee to your clients that you are the only who can look and listen their files. Studios that continue to use Adobe products can't. The reason why Adobe decided to look or listen to files is totally irrelevant.

[@madmatt2024]

@@ARockRaider Wait until he finds out the FTC is suing them over hidden fees and making it difficult to cancel their subscriptions.

[@kmiaw6353]

You know what the worst part is? That probably a lot of people who use Adobe don't really care. I have a coworker that uses Adobe (officially, paid), and I told him about this situation and how Adobe is treating the situation. His answer? "Meh, whatever".

[@R-SXX]

And these people are the reason why our society is going to sht - games with microtransactions, ai taking over jobs, food with harmfull ingredients ... meh whatever

[@monbeauparfum1452]

People are mostly concerned about their own little self.

[@glibfacsimile]

​@@monbeauparfum1452but they arent even that. They are just avoiding an inconvenience

[@jeremyivy2753]

"I'm not doing anything Adobe would want to copy" is a pretty harsh self-burn, innit? 😂

[@dimman3607]

Tell him that you'll answer him in exactly the same manner when he's crying because he's being replaced by AI

[@andybanan1992]

EU lawyers gonna have a field day with this one.... it breaks about every consumer right, data privacy and data security laws there is here in the EU...

[@mankepoot9440]

The billions of fines will save me some taxes, so thank you Adobe.

[@dimman3607]

It's possible they only releasing this TOS in certain regions

[@andybanan1992]

@@dimman3607 yea thats what i suspect aswell.

[@orange3271]

notice how they say "we've never", not "we won't"

[@ryank6322]

Good catch.

[@protocj3735]

We've never because we need to make this mandatory TOS change first for legal reasons

[@DefaultFlame]

Yup. They could start doing it the minute after they wrote it and it would still be accurate. This statement means nothing. "We have not and we don't" means "we might tomorrow."

[@luizmourabr]

"Never!.... until now :)"

[@sofascialistadankulamegado1781]

Legalese is an important language to know. Nice catch.

[@RambleStorm]

"We've never used user data to train generative AI...but since you're agreeing to this we're gonna"

[@bullwinklemoose7232]

License (or Contract) = Legally Binding (unless through blackmail / fraud / extortion / etc.) "We own whatever you have and you agree" Clarification of License (or Contract) = Opinion / Lies / Propaganda (Not Legally Binding) "We would never do that / We have never done that / that's not what the License means / Louis is wrong"

[@_GSzabados]

That's the right point! "We've never", it is not equal to "We'll never". But of course, you just have given us permission to do so.... 😂

[@OWnIshiiTrolling]

Yeah, they only said that they haven't done it in the past, not that they won't do it.

[@DefaultFlame]

"We have never in the past nor are we currently, but we say nothing about tomorrow."

[@dankeplace]

Adobe: "Piracy is stealing, and stealing is wrong" Therefore we own the creative rights to your work and decide what you can create.

[@ChrisHillASMR]

As if the hammer manufacturers have property rights to the construction projects their tools help finish

[@ghhdgjjfjjggj]

This made me cancel Adobe 2 days ago. You know what is more ridiculous though? There was NO OPTION to stop auto-renewal. There was only a 'cancel' button, and it said I needed to pay a $200 PENALTY for cancelling early, even though I already paid $800 for the year. AND I would lose access immediately, even though I already PAID for it. I had to talk to the customer rep to waive the fee. Fuck this company.

[@Defensive_Wounds]

They sound like Apple at this point.

[@wakeywarrior]

They are now being sued by the U.S. Government for exactly this.

[@cmozoo]

"We are working tirelessly. . . . " When they say that, you absolutely know they are full of BS. Biggest BS ever.

[@sultankosmitov6293]

They're working tirelessly to put out the fire using petrol and white phosphorus.

[@Mr_Bones.]

“Working tirelessly”, what does that even mean? How does a company work “tirelessly” when the resolution is to REMOVE text? 🤔 Their problem can be resolved in five minutes by one person

[@zurgmuckerberg]

​@@Mr_Bones.They meant like an actual tire. So they work without tires in their office, which is true. See? They're an honest company.

[@Robdobalina]

when they write this crap they just go and the software does the rest

[@tgj5680]

@@zurgmuckerbergyep the tires came off the clown car

[@T.R.75]

stealing is wrong, unless we do it. - Adobe -

[@LastofAvari]

When they do it it's not stealing. Sharing is caring, they say /s

[@countzero1136]

@@LastofAvari Indeed so - and there are lots of generous people out there who are providing a valuable public service by sharing the offline and portable versions of adobe stuff :)

[@deez3913]

Standard corporate/wealthy/elite way of doing things

[@lewisd30088]

Just the lack of awareness on Adobe's part is whats so crazy... Graphic designers are already losing their jobs to AI... and they came out and said 'were gonna force you to let us train models on your creative work'. so many companies are so far removed from their core customers these days its insane

[@hanswoast7]

I know this tactic as "overspecified denial" (rough translation from German "überspezifisches Dementi"). It is when you were accused of something, but instead of denying it, you deny something that sounds very similar, but is different. That way you are technically correct and safe, because your actual denial is meaningless. But everybody thinks you denied the thing, e.g. you are out of line / did seemingly nothing wrong. Basically you dodged the question with a tricky answer that sounded fitting, but wasnt. A: "You left the kitchen dirty, again! It was your turn" (meaning the sink full of dirty dishes without saying it specific enough) B: "No, I did my part. I always empty the bin diligently. You did me wrong" (evading the actual topic, specifying an adjacent topic to boast about, shifting blame back)

[@takingthescenicroute1610]

Isn't substituting a response to the actual issue with a response to a lookalike also the straw man argument? According to wikipedia: "A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent."

[@Real_MisterSir]

The phrasing "We have never used your data to train generative AI" doesn't mean "We will never use your data to train generative AI". The moment you agree to their EULA, it doesn't matter what they have or haven't done in the past. What matters is you're singing away your rights for them to do whatever the fuck they want going forward -including training generative AI on your data. Very simple way to obscure what you're consenting to, by manipulating your understanding of their communicated responsibility and intent.

[@privacyvalued4134]

Exactly what I was thinking! "We have never used" most definitely means that they 100% want to and will use in the future. This is the part about class action lawsuits I never understood: It only affects the past and stops future lawsuits from occurring. But if a company continues to exhibit bad behavior, they can't ever be held to account even though people are born, grow old, and die.

[@ThatBugBehindYou]

They probably won't ever use AI or generative AI by using your works and materials, because Modern "AI" isn't actually AI it's a buzzword for ML. So they're able to sneakily say legally that they haven't and won't use AI generation with their customers works and be technically correct. This is the most manipulative form of conversation possible, setting yourself up for legal impunity as you smile and assure the public something you know you're going to break their trust on.

[@ademisc]

Also leaves open that they let others use it to train generative AI.

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@privacyvalued4134 Exactly. When explaining a future-minded EULA update, it doesn't make sense to describe past EULA agreements. There's a reason it's being updated, specifically because what didn't happen in the past, will happen in the future.

[@AttilaAsztalos]

...but if you really have to do it, singing away your rights is the BEST way to sign them away!

[@乂]

Pirating products from scummy companies is ethical.

[@GoldenSun3DS]

6 Million subscribers and a handful of video each at a couple hundred thousand views. I think this is a hacked channel.

[@CatgirlExplise6039]

Pirating products from humans is ethical, definitely should be universally ethically for these shitty companies

[@mzziliac]

@@GoldenSun3DS What? its at 8k since half an hour ago

[@RedHeadForester]

​@@mzziliacThey're referring to the OP of the comment. Verified channel with _far_ fewer total views than subs.

[@lqnx3]

goofy ai comment

[@sianais]

They could literally just say: we will not be using any of your content for machine learning via our own models or through third-party services. But the end goal is to use paying customers as a resource to better a product that will put those customers out of business. It's honestly insane how these companies are pushing to get tgat machine learning money by destroying the livelihoods of the people purchasing their products. Do they actually think the folks who see zero value in a graphic designer, editor, etc. will cough out money for their generated sht beyond a literal couple bucks? They’ll go for the free sht and any corporation just as myopic will just use their own software.

[@88Fallon]

They are still screwing us. I cancelled my subscription yesterday and was told I still had 180+ days remaining, however I instantly lost access to Photoshop. Usually in a cancelled sub you retain access to the last pre-paid day, for someone that is cancelling for other reasons (money etc) Adobe steals days already paid for.

[@LV4EVR]

Shocking ... Adobe would do anything like _that._ 🫢

[@MegaBaellchen]

@@LV4EVR Thats another scam and yields a sepparate lawsuit.

[@joku1000000]

Adobe really went full ransomware

[@ozrob76]

They should've known you never go full ransomware.

[@Twiddle_things]

​@@ozrob76 reminds me of "don't you dare go full гетагd mode on me now!"

[@phr3ui559]

how do you get the emoji

[@hosannayeshua4446]

@@phr3ui559 for me, the available emojis shows in the drop-down list that you access by pressing the emoji sign under the reply/comment window when you are writing one😌 this is for pc browser, for mobile use i'm not sure

[@fdgfdgdfgdfgfdgdf]

​@@phr3ui559Pay

[@xarq0n]

I've spent $8640 on my creative cloud subscription since 2015. Finally gonna jump ship and cancel my plan.

[@animatewithdermot]

Kudos. I know some people want it for the more effective modern tools (like intelligent fill, etc), but those people should ask themselves if those features are worth $8640. I don't think so.

[@cathymiller2798]

I got Affinity ... graphic design... Company from the UK ... In 2017 For one time Fee of $50 It recently changed ownership But its still there

[@Chivoyage]

@@animatewithdermot Just set up Fooocus or SDXL locally on a desktop, free and open source and 100s of models to try out there. You can inpaint, outpaint, fill, redo, upscale, faceswap, the list is endless.

[@kaden-sd6vb]

HOLY SHIT. I don't use this shit and I had no idea it cost that much. That's fuckinh unacceptable.

[@balsalmalberto8086]

That is not money well spent... you were paying software rent to slum lords.

[@johnblair8146]

What has to happen is that Adobe should be broken up into a number of smaller companies. Photoshop, Illustrator and Indesign as one company, Premiere and After Effects to another company. Artificial Intelligence. etc to a third company and so on. Also SaaS needs to be OUTLAWED.

[@benjaminpeternorris]

They should never have been allowed to buy Macromedia in 2005. There used to be competition in the market, but Adobe has a monopoly over it. Adobe killed my two favourite Macromedia products: Director and Freehand.

[@thejackal007]

The problem is, they consider the "opt out" to be equivalent to not using their software, since nobody holds a gun to your head.

[@richardbloemenkamp8532]

Here we have existing users who own a license and suddenly are coerced into accepting unwanted terms, without any form of transition period with refund. And then the communication showing that it is not a mistake but a clear objective to appropriate rights to user data. That is indeed scandalous behavior and deserves a vocal disapproval.

[@thejackal007]

@@richardbloemenkamp8532 Trust me, I am NOT saying what they are doing is right. I'm just explaining what they are probably thinking (more than likely while laughing and rubbing their hands in a cartoon villain kind of way).

[@hossenfeffor]

Something else I noticed in their terms. It talks about them never using anything except stock images or royalty free images to train their machine learning/generative AI. But then later in the terms, they grant themselves a royalty free license to use your images. So they gave themselves a license to do exactly what they said they weren't doing and hiding behind the semantics of it. And there's fuck all you can do about it.

[@pazu8728]

Granting themselves a sub-license to anyone's creative work is pure evil.

[@MundaneThingsBackwards]

Except cancel.

[@REMY.C.]

Royalty free doesn't mean not copyrighted. They used photos from their stock without the consent of the photographers.

[@dandalas2168]

I hope Louis message goes more viral, so people will not get fooled again by those vicious companies.

[@michaeldavid6832]

It's all in the order you read them -- that's why they're numbered. Because later provisions can utterly override prior ones. Example: 1A: The Company won't come into your house to kick your puppy. 135Z - 1341: You give the Company the unlimited perpetual license to enter your home, gather up any furry four-legged creatures, and place them in our van. Further, you extend temporary ownership of said creatures to Us which will last no less than one day. See how it's done. They give assurances as if they hold for the duration of the document. Then they use the tiny technicalities in the first part as the giant loophole -- which preserves the truth value of the first statement while being able to commit the main act you didn't want them to commit in the first one. To wit: The company may not come into your house to kick your puppy, but you gave them the rights to come into your hose to collect the puppies. Once you gave them temporary ownership of your puppy, AND allow them to take it off your property, they have all they need to kick your puppy. - they can come into your house to take your puppy (they're not kicking it). Once outside, 1A no longer holds. It's not in your house anymore. - once you give them ownership rights, you can no longer control the animal -- it's no longer yours for that duration. They can take it out of view. They never mention that they're going to kick your puppy for sure. They've just had you set things up so that they could do the one thing you didn't want them to do by qualifying it so much that a simple erosion of the qualities for which 1A holds allows them to get away with any prohibition in 1A. The fine print always unzips all your rights they pretended to delineate in the large print up front. In a lot of agreements, you see that kind of game. The first part asserts that the work is all yours -- but only so that when you agree to sign over all rights, that signature is legit. They only delineate rights they intend to take for themselves. A civilization can't be sustained on these types of agreements. It destroys the trust such a system requires so that all participants feel like they don't have to get moral justice for themselves because of the legal system's failure to address monopoly extortion tactics. There are cases when I'm fine signing a contract like this because I'm duly compensated. If I'm not fairly compensated, I will feel a moral license to get my compensation by other means. This is my sense of reciprocation. But if I'm forced to reciprocate in kind for a transgression, I'm going to make it cost you more than it cost me for the trouble you forced me to take. Reciprocity is the basis of all social interactions for all social species. You can make any kind of contract you like, but if someone feels like it's extortion, they'll feel no loyalty to any legal code you attempt to leverage against them. Many will actively work to destroy you... as Adobe has discovered. Adobe thinks it can cloak itself in rhetoric but we're past those days -- that' was pre C19. The broken promises and assurances coupled with the blatant lies during C19 destroyed any public trust for any authority for anything. I was always a skeptic but C19 taught me that anything and everything I've ever been told by an expert was probably a lie. I no longer believe the narratives around anything my government supports. WWII, C19, and even the moon landings FFS. When they can baldly lie straight to your face about a life and death situation in-progress AND consign possibly millions to unnecessary deaths in the doing, it's way less of a moral outrage than lying about past events. Even the moon landings were put on the table for me. The horrific truths they admitted about the history of WWII are literal crimes against humanity the West committed -- but everyone was doing them so only the losers were convicted of them. The saddest part of all of this is that the destruction of truth and liberty will destroy us all -- the powerful and powerless alike. It was our freedoms which gave rise to our power... then the lesser men who rule used that power to destroy the freedoms which gave rise to that power.

[@mghell34]

i canceled my subscription. They tried taking a cancelation fee [ which was worth almost 3 months of use, without me having access of course ]. Went to their support, repeated several times that where I live this fee is against the law, and that they were the ones who changed the ToS. Ended with a cancelled subscription without any exit fee :) Leave em. Teach em a lesson. I am amazed they even thought of the idea, let alone implemented and forced it on their paying customers

[@serkandevel7828]

Another option would've been to do a chargeback using your bank citing no service. This would even cost extra on Adobe's end.

[@cosminmilitaru9920]

So Adobe is actively trying to be a worse company than Apple. And apparently they are.

[@AshiStarshade]

Your loss.

[@mghell34]

@@AshiStarshade “protect the billions dollar company” 😂 Loss ? DaVinci is actually better. Affinity is as good. No idea what you talk about, but you are welcome to let them use your stuff to finally render your job obsolete ))

[@andrasbiro6962]

Exit fee??? How is that legal anywhere?

[@TheDatadrew]

Ironically, I had an annual renewal come up a month ago for a bunch of licenses, I contacted adobe and told them I do not agree to their new ToS, and they let me out of the stupid commitment. Screw them.

[@Pandles639]

This is Adobe committing suicide. This won't go away.

[@TheSCBGeneral]

We can only hope.

[@xXCrimsonWolfXx752]

Piracy is not only your consumer right, but your duty.

[@MunyuShizumi]

Piracy still propagates the ecosystem and dependency on related software, esp. if format interoperability is an issue. Companies don't even have piracy as an option as they'll very quickly get sued. The real duty is to switch to open-source software and non-cloud solutions.

[@BeelyGG]

@MunyuShizumi so what I'm getting indirectly from this is: Cracking is not only your consumer right, but your duty. 😂 We need DRM-free physical media!

[@Kobold666]

All the developers working on copy protection schemes deserve that we at least try to acknowledge their work by challenging it. They would be out of work without piracy.

[@0LoneTech]

@@Kobold666 Incorrect. They are terrorists; they sell by fearmongering. They don't need a real threat, which might explain why so many of the threats they describe aren't real.

[@MunyuShizumi]

@@BeelyGG That literally changes nothing? Cracking doesn't reduce ecosystem pressure. E.g. look at Windows. Microsoft is perfectly fine with having everyone pirate Windows since it keeps them in the ecosystem which they can still monetize in other ways. Pirating Windows is still a win for Microsoft. If 90% of people use Windows, then developers need to primarily target that platform, allowing Microsoft to pressure them in many ways. The end user can pirate Windows all they want, it's much easier for Microsoft to force changes on the developer or publisher side, and users will accept those changes for most software since it's monetarily free. A lot of this trickles down to the education layer too, as most schools/colleges opt for Windows/Microsoft by default, mainly because of its widespread use and familiarity. Today we have entire generations of techies and developers who are herded like cattle into primarily using C#, DirectX, ActiveDirectory, Azure, GitHub, etc., and companies will often choose tech stacks which are familiar to their employees. It's virtually the same with Adobe. If you're still using e.g. Photoshop, exchanging works in PSD format (either internally or externally), writing/using PS-only guides, etc., you're maintaining ecosystem pressure and soft-forcing other people to remain part of it and propagate the issue further. Pirating Photoshop seems like a big thing until you realize that most of Adobe's revenue comes from companies using their products, not individuals, and companies don't have the option of pirating 100 copies unless they want to cash out millions to Adobe a year or two down the road. Individuals pirating the product is equivalent to them accepting free drugs from the local dealer. Piracy is the user saying "I don't really wanna invest effort into solving this, so I'll pirate and feel good about it cause they didn't directly take the money out of my pocket.". The only real solution is to stop using the product. And if your response is "But it's too awkward to switch to something else!", that is exactly why they're winning.

[@TSteffi]

I just brought this up with my boss yesterday. We are a printing company, doing mostly textile printing for music bands. Tour shirts and such. Most of the images we use, we do not own. The band sends us their images, and we have to calculate the right set of colors to use for screen printing. And that is done with Photoshop. Guess what: we are now in a position where we have contractually agreed to give Adobe a license that we don't even have in the first place.

[@0LoneTech]

And they know it. It's like when Willy's would only offer self scanning to customers who signed a form declaring they'd read and accepted a terms of service document that did not even exist. They require their marks ("customers") to be on the hook for breach of contract before there's ever any conflict.

[@hubertnnn]

@@0LoneTech Well, if the document do not exist then you agree to a blank page, so you agree to nothing.

[@gandolfred]

It's time to run away from Adobe faster and switch to Affinity Suite products. There you fully own your copies and your content without the need to provide something to someone. Affinity Suite now continues its 50% discount promotion.

[@therealjibrano]

surely that will cause problems at some point wtf

[@0LoneTech]

@@hubertnnn Of course not. That's as idiotic as the common thief's claim "if it doesn't scan, it's free". Because the document does not exist, claiming you've read it is a lie, and signing the document with that statement is perjury. As ridiculous as the legal system is, it rarely takes jokes well.

[@daytona1212]

They are also spying on your own pc with their Genuine service checking if the software om your personal device is genuine or not. That's spyware.

[@_gabrielln.dop_]

I really wish people would focus on the real issue -- THEY ARE CLAIMING FULL LICENSED USE OF OUR WORK. This means they can repurpose, remake, and most importantly RESELL our work if the damn well please. Fuck all the bitching about ai, who cares if they use your work to train it, if you have or will post it online, someone, somewhere will or has already. You cannot change that. Being able to sue over someone (like adobe) reusing or reselling your work WITHOUT PAYING FOR LICENSING is 100000000x more important

[@kumada84]

"We have no intention of doing any of the things that we've forced you to give us permission to do"

[@username7763]

The fun thing about intentions is they can change, same as plans. Adobe may not have any plans to use people's works, but they may have a plan to start planning on doing just that.

[@mtx33]

They wrote that "We've never trained..." and not "We won't train..." so even if it's true, you can bet they will do it or at least they want to reserve the right to do so.

[@DigiSpaceProductions]

Companies: "If you use our stuff without permission it's theft" User: "Okay, don't steal my content then." Companies: "If you use our products to make your content, then we can steal your content if we want too, it's not theft" The general mind-set of most companies, I hate them

[@thingi]

Adobe are not stealing your content, and neither are you when pirating their software..... The definition is stealing/theft is thus:- A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and “thief” and “steal” shall be construed accordingly..... So piracy is not theft because it does not permanently deprive the other of it since it is merely a copy, the same goes for your content.

[@DigiSpaceProductions]

@@thingi hot take, if you take someones content without permission and make a copy to be used for generating AI imagery, it's still theft, or at least, a breach of rights.

[@lilox3690]

​​@@DigiSpaceProductionsit's considered copyright violation, not theft or stealing when dealing with digital works. It's easier to say it's theft or stealing but that's technically not correct.

[@tempname8263]

Companies dont have mind-sets. They are composed of people who come and go. Company is just a profit-seeking mechanism with rights and technologies associated with it. It's not conscious, has no personality, no long-term memory, and cannot learn. It's just a gradient-descent algorithm.

[@michaeldavid6832]

@@thingi The theft isn't in using the work, it's using the work without a negotiation and due compensation. The theft is in taking the money I'd be morally entitled to if I wasn't strong armed. The money lost is also from my work being used to produce derivative works which adobe and their user base profits from -- but I don't. The theft isn't in the misappropriation, it's in the money I wasn't given in compensation for that use. Imagine if pencil manufacturers began to lay claim to your drawings to use for their algorithms and they could make your pencils stop working. That's a immoral leap that starts wars.

[@VideoJamesNZ]

Louis, you are a legend! This scumbag company ripped me off over $200 for just canceling my subscription to their service about a week before it was set to renew. That's the thanks I got for accessing their software the legal way.

[@vulcan4d]

Adobe is pure crap charging high subscription fees for an application. What a joke.

[@khaledassaf6356]

I used to be a professional photographer, when the entire sub model became a thing, I refused to upgrade from CS6 because I didn't like the idea of it requiring internet connection. Not long after, their servers were down for few days, and people lost access to the CC versions. Every now and then, Adobe gives yet another example of why you should never get their CC subs. Didn't expect them to go this far, but I'm also not surprised.

[@IFD2]

🏴‍☠️

[@MamaMOB]

I'm educated in graphic design. When they became a subscription service I figured they were going to go out of business. I didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to pay every single month for software. Why the hell would I want my software to be a service? I don't want you to change the software I've grown accustomed to. I want it to stay the way that it is. Because that's how I know how to use it. In my opinion this is our fault. We should have driven them out of business when they decided we had to keep paying for their software, not a service.

[@khaledassaf6356]

@@MamaMOB The main excuse I kept hearing is that the sub was way cheaper than if you were to buy it, which was true if you were updating with every version, but most people don't. You're right, though, the main problem is people kept buying it. It was mind boggling that people kept telling me that it's fine, despite Adobe proving time and time again, that a sub model is simply inferior. If you owned the software, and the sub was only to get updates, then sure, fine, I can understand that, but the way it is set now, if you stop paying you lose access. even if you paid for 10 years.

[@TheUltimateBlooper]

@@MamaMOB the CS Master Collection was something stupid like 10 grand to buy outright, whereas the sub to get access to every program is a mere 60 bucks AND you get constant updates - some of which are necessary, unless you never upgrade your computer and wonder why your GPU is suddenly not supported and isn't accelerating properly. Let's not pretend the move to a sub wasn't brilliant for a LOT of people - it absolutely was and it reduce piracy in the space a LOT. It's just that obviously as time moves on - corpos love to start changing the terms of use, which is exactly the problem here.

[@paulej]

@@MamaMOB I can explain part of why companies are OK with a subscription: it's easier on the budget. Say you have a business with 100 people using CC. If you were to purchase the products directly, the cost is pretty significant. About a year later, there is a new version, and you have to go through the process of paying for expensive upgrades. People leave. Physical media or keys get lost. With a subscription, you just pay a monthly fee, and the employee always has access to current software, and you can transfer a license from one employee to another when people come and go. It a desirable and simpler process. However, it's less appealing to small businesses that might have just one copy of Photoshop or individuals. Adobe knows this and they took the position of "we're catering to bigger business and do not care about the little guy." Sad, really.

[@owdoogames]

In the past 6 months I’ve moved to Linux, Godot, Krita, Gimp, Scribus, Inkscape and Kdenlive. Goodbye Unity. Goodbye Microsoft. Goodbye Adobe. And good riddance. It’s open source only for me going forward. And any money I choose to donate to the developers of that software will go to the actual developers… not to CEOs, corporate lawyers, or vampire squid shareholders.

[@AlexWilkinsonYYC]

Yep, I did the same thing. It's actually not that bad of a transition.

[@bronyinsticks]

Make sure they, don't have a tos that says something like. We are entitled to change our terms of usage and terms of service as we see fit. Because if they do you don't have an excuse to complain if they change the terms of service to a way that you don't agree because you agreed to them changing their services however they see fit by even using said service. That's how they get you make sure they say something along the lines of, we will make sure that the services and terms of usage that we set up are for the benefit of our customers and we will ask you if you are okay with the term and change it to function around you.

[@LiamNI]

GIMP is a good alternative (until it isn't).

[@AlexWilkinsonYYC]

@@LiamNI gimp is brutally bad tbh. The UI and shortcut bindings are absolutely atrocious. If I didn't find Krita I would probably still be paying for Adobe hahaha

[@eunaoseibrother467]

Inkscape, davinci are really good, but GIMP? Gimp fucking sucks.

[@ParkourRhett]

I've been "sailing" the open seas for years, especially with Adobe products for this reason. Aaarghhhhh matey 🏴‍☠️

[@OlekDeejay]

I support you Louis! Agree with you 100%. This is probably the result of Blackrock, Vanguard, and State Street telling companies to put this crap in or no more funding.

[@Artofcarissa]

Louis’s comments on crisis management statements has really opened eyes. I had no idea companies had specific formulas for crafting apologies/statements but it makes sense when you think about. That whole weak/strong part where Louis broke it down was really informative

[@lutzmowinski9781]

There are entire branches of employment just for crisis management... criminals would call them "fixers".

[@foxronyo]

"We know you paid $20 for that drink we just put a roofie into, but noone's forcing you to drink it."

[@truthsRsung]

Wait, you are content with One Poison at a time? Have another. Metaphors aren't your bag.

[@liveangel93]

"And if you don't drink it, we'll charge you a cancellation fee!"

[@domnanzwandor]

And you can't walk out of the bar till you do so.

[@truthsRsung]

@@liveangel93 ... I am surrounded by alcoholics and can't do anything about it.

[@VioFax]

Better drink it or we'll have to watch you for c-sam.

[@texasroper]

I was an Adobe customer for nearly 25 years my subscription was up for renewal a couple of weeks ago... I canceled my subscription and I would never pay a company a fee to rent their software just to have them steal my work... it is a contract, good luck to Adobe in their slow march going out of business... it wasn't a great deal when you could no longer purchase their software and had to pay for a subscription... it isn't a great deal when they increase the subscription rate pricing... I found many free Adobe software product alternatives...

[@RoshaFR]

The moment Affinity came out, I was so happy and relieved to get out of that hostage company. Never looked back

[@DavidCicia]

Affinity was recently bought by Canva. Canva is a subscription service but Affinity announced that they will continue to offer permanent licenses. Their customer base seemed very unsure of this promise and so Affinity send out another announcement a few days later to clarify the situation. I do not remember what exactly was said in that announcement but I seem to recall that it was very similar to what Adobe is trying to do with their follow-up announcements. I would be very cautious about having high hopes for Affinity not turning into part of canvas subscription model.

[@Mr.N0.0ne]

I stopped using Adobe when they moved to subscription-only. I still have a really old version of Lightroom. I miss when I coild buy software and use it indefinitely and it wouldn't force updates or lock me out or spy on me. I bought it and it was mine. That world is gone.

[@joshallen128]

Unfortunately your old copy won't work in newer versions of whatever operating system you got. But thank goodness for virtual box dos box maybe we'll get reactos to be like dosbox a streamline emulation

[@AnnoyinglyCharming]

just sail the high seas friend. Very simple. I've been sailing with adobe from the last decade and I've saved at least 100 dollars per month so thousands of $

[@Mr.N0.0ne]

​@@joshallen128I run Windows 7 on my main PC; the one that I use for my work. Fortunately Lightroom works on that. I'm really disappointed with the current state of software. It's mostly spyware, including Windows itself.

[@mshaftenberg]

​@@joshallen128That's why I'm still using Windows 7. Even with newest security patches...

[@Basuko_Smoker]

​@@joshallen128virtualbox IS pure trash, but VMWare works like a charm for Premiere

[@Belhenix]

What strikes home the most for me is how they word the generative AI part: "We've never trained generative AI on customer content". It simply states they haven't done that *yet*, it doesn't speak about the future (and boy I know they will soon enough, if they haven't done so already)

[@davepastern]

EXACTLY. No where in their TOS does it say that they will NEVER do it. It's all present and past tense, no future tense. It's leaving it wide open to do it in the future. I can't believe that there's so many Adobe stans standing up for this shit on FuckupBook. Got my post in 1 group removed and a 7 day suspension from the same group for posting about this shit. Another group disabled commenting on the post. Another group left it as is with free speech (the best of the 3 groups imho). I have now deactivated my FuckupBook account and won't go back - it's a shit hole.

[@user-pl4nc2kr4x]

as I've said before .... surely you are a better candidate to be President than any of the incumbents running now ? !! just love your honesty and common sense .. well done , and thank you.

[@thehookupiowa]

Thank you for existing, Louis. A bright light is a blur of coercion and deceit.

[@GregsKitchen]

Keep up the great work exposing these criminals, Louis! 👍

[@Annoye]

He will that’s his job..

[@GabrielTobing]

Damn, Greg watches Louis? Didnt expect that XD Use Da Vinci Resolve for editing your vids Greg, its freeeeee and pretty good :>

[@dwainbunker]

It's Greggo! 👨‍🍳

[@Annoye]

Lovely how he censored some comments I receive their notifications but they don’t appear.

[@GSBarlev]

Classic gaslighting. "We would _never_ use your data to train AI (even though we could)! We would _never_ scan your files (unless they have a warrant)!" The most disgusting thing is that they claim they _need permission_ to access your files in order to open them, which is backwards-ADOBE shouldn't be opening my files, _I_ should be opening my files using _their_ software, which I bought and paid for. Disgusting. Even worse that realistically nothing will change, as you can't even use an "old version" of CS unless you're willing to go back, like, a decade.

[@ThiccSumoWarDog]

You're better off pirating it, getting a copy of CS6, or just switching to somethinge else like Krita. If these companies only follow the money then your one option is to keep it from them.

[@Ethefake]

unless you pirate a recent version, of course

[@ms.plasma]

Piracy is the answer, my friend.

[@joshallen128]

You don't buy anymore you rent you lease you connect to the Internet

[@brettstowell4029]

My CS3 is from 2007. Still use it occasionally. Other tools without cloud requirements have far surpassed it.

[@aakashdusane]

Louis: Don’t trust KZbinrs and verify claims, even mine. Dude we’ve known you for like a decade. I’m sorry but you’ve earned our blind trust. Top G!

[@Iceking007]

A thousand thumbs up Louis!!! Keep fighting for RIGHTS.

[@2.Panzerdivision]

Jack Sparrow has the best functioning version of any programme.

[@vincei4252]

BetterHelp shilling is particularly disgusting, just like Adobe.

[@jendrizzyy]

So glad someone said this It’s so true

[@opasonucheyo9339]

Really??? I was just about to renew my subscription 😢. Any alternatives?

[@downeebrownee]

Workout and eat good protein

[@countzero1136]

@@downeebrownee Just have a proper balanced diet and you won't need any of that crap - eat good, feel good

[@downeebrownee]

@@countzero1136 Precisely

[@hw8991]

I was trying to introduce basic logic to the Adobe rep. when I tried to cancel my subscription several years ago. The person on the other side of the chat said, and I'm not joking or exaggerating, that I had to wait for the next 12 month period started before I could cancel my plan. So, Adobe demanded that I tie myself to one more year of subscription before they could look into the matter of canceling the plan. Unbe-fckn-lievable. Made my fckn blood boil and I requested a new credit card to replace my old card from my bank. The gall of this company.

[@tonyb2760]

I parted ways with with Adobe earlier this year. Main reason was how many background programs would be running after using Photoshop, and when you close photoshop, the background programs continue to run, why? spying. I would have to stop them manually and change settings every time.

[@samdonutarnold]

There is no ambiguity : our valet company has never taken our customers fancy cars to Burger King. Also, our valet company has the right to take your car to any location we see fit, in the interest of training our drivers. This evolution of our terms is for your personal benefit. Thank you.

[@5nanometers]

Adobe is panicking. If you contact customer service to cancel your subscription, they simply disconnect from the chat They're making it as hard as possible to cancel

[@SlavTiger]

that should be illegal

[@TheSmokeWatcher]

@@SlavTigerit is illegal

[@SlavTiger]

@@TheSmokeWatcher we should start filing ftc complaints, in fact doesnt the us govt use adobe products for sensitive information?

[@callak_9974]

That is just a class action lawsuit waiting to happen.

[@vincei4252]

@@callak_9974 There's will be another popup where you have to agree to forced arbitration or their software will format your PC.

[@paulidevoss7249]

Good on you Louis, you’ve nailed it again. This corporate BS dishonesty is making so many people angry. They think they can hide behind these misleading statements but if they continue to disrespect their customers they may find they have no customers left. Screw em

[@davidmartin1628]

Louis taught me more about the field of critical thinking in this single video than an entire university lecture devoted on the subject. Every minute of this video was packed with highly valuable information that has positively impacted the way I ask questions about any particular matter and this additional skill has practicality far beyond just the right-to-repair other topics discussed in this video.

[@TheVanDammeFan2009]

Here's my Adobe story: A friend of mine installed photoshop on my computer because he needed to finish something. Sometime later, I tried to uninstall it through "Add/remove programs" but it would redirect me to an Adobe page saying I need to have an Adobe account in order to uninstall the program from my own computer! So I reluctantly created an account and tried to uninstall it again but the same thing happened! Turns out you have to download an additional uninstall program from the adobe website! It's not as bad as the stuff Louis talks about but man, I could feel the rage lol.

[@Eskoxo]

so what you do is just go to folder where it’s installed and delete the folder.

[@GSBarlev]

@@Eskoxo What are you, a mac user? Heck, uninstalling on a *mac* isn't even that easy-Adobe software works its little tendrils all through your operating system, changing extensions defaults, cluttering up your registry, setting up autoupdate and phone-home daemons and collecting *who knows* what telemetry.

[@hardgay7537]

Does CCleaner not work for this? Because I use it to uninstall everything. How else do you uninstall McAfee on a new laptop?

[@GabrielTobing]

Use geek uninstaller and force remove

[@Eskoxo]

@@GSBarlev There are tools that remove all that sure it's annoying but doable by average person.

[@fredrickbambino]

Adobe: “It’s wrong to steal…” “Unless we’re doing the stealing.”

[@eternalpunishment3922]

only the corporations have the right to steal, not the average person

[@pointvector1951]

I cancelled my adobe today. I heard adobe gives you a hard time when you call to cancel. So I routed my phone into my pc, into a voice to text app, then into Wizard-Vicuna. I told my AI what I wanted to accomplish and then called adobe. Watching my ai work with adobe support was magic.

[@Vitromancy]

Hi Louis, been following for a while and appreciate all the great work you do. I've listened to your rationale for your use of that word a few times, and while I definitely think these companies were disgusting (and acting in incredibly bad faith) in using that terminology in the first place. That said, when you 'reclaim' it, the utility you get out of that word comes at the expense of a range of harms that may not be particularly visible to you: -It dilutes the impact the word has for when it's actually needed -It increasingly normalises its use outside of its intended context -The more contexts it's used in, the more likely people are to hear it, which increases the risk of victims with PTSD being retraumatised by being reminded of their experiences. I can definitely see why it's useful rhetoric for your argument, but the 'fair game' approach you've adopted overlooks harms to people who aren't your enemies.

[@Tauredian]

The scummiest part is that if people want to leave Adobe's service they have to pay a cancellation fee.

[@godlynewbie]

that's literally the dumbest crap I have ever heard. pay us if you want to cancel after you have already paid us.

[@Gaspard129]

Don't cancel, just notify them of your intent to cancel, remove your credit card info from your account, and reject the charges if they charge you.

[@DarkForce2024]

Well, California has a "leaving the state tax", so if a state government can do it, I guess so can large corporations.

[@Adrian-ih3mh]

Don't cancel, just switch to another plan then immediately cancel it.

[@Robdobalina]

Fun other option to get around that....downgrade to lowest tier product available. Then from there you should get a refund for the difference + get a cooling off period of a certain amount of days where you can cancel without paying the cancellation fee. Did this a while back myself. Cannot be f'd going into the portal to check what the cheapest is but its definitely a thing (unless they closed that loophole in the last few months).

[@vociferon-heraldofthewinte7763]

Adobe is holding YOUR stuff hostage. Class-action lawsuit is incoming.

[@jordanwardle11]

Binding arbitration clause says otherwise

[@scienceraven1200]

@@jordanwardle11 Best thing is to let the wider world know with a publicity stunt... Do some public stunt advertisement of your style to say adobe's software is now free for all because they are paying for it with the sale of your data.

[@Dexter01992]

Hostage implies if you do what they want they will free them. They take your data for their own gains period. They want you to say okay to the fact that there's nothing you can do to say "no" and just accept this is how things are gonna be from now on. Anyone using adobe software from now on is an hazard to their own clients now.

[@phr3ui559]

@@jordanwardle11who cares

[@Uncle_Troy]

@@jordanwardle11 All it takes is one favourable court ruling to eventually invalidate those online T&C agreements over time.

[@joyboricua3721]

They technically did a ransomware attack - that's illegal

[@sethjohnson1944]

Hi Louis! Small thing but something you kept saying I feel needs correcting: AI, in this particular case, generative AI would be the "umbrella" in this case. Machine learning is the tool used in gAI for training and sits under the AI umbrella

[@SrinpytheMusicalTechSquirrel]

Hear me out: have a consumer protection law that if a company sells consumer data, they must pay half of their entire revenue for the fiscal year per 100 people’s data sale.

[@toms7114]

Technically under the fourth amendment selling data is a violation of privacy and requires a warrant to do so. The fourth amendment never states that it only applies to the government.

[@joshallen128]

If they selling my data I want a piece of it of what they sells it for

[@0Blueaura]

how would that work in eu?

[@Nostradevus1]

@@toms7114Not if you agree to a terms of service that tells you what they are going to do.

[@cujoedaman]

@@toms7114 Yeah, but sadly, those that SHOULD be upholding the Constitution are most likely in on the deal.

[@paulroyle-grimes8279]

I spent over 40 minutes on the phone working my way up the supervisor tree trying to get them to not catch and capture data. I do client work that requires NDA’s. At the end of the that fruitless endeavor they said there is no way to opt out and using the software means you comply. I am seeking new options.

[@amaurapond]

Yep, I'm moving my stuff to affinity. My freelance clients' work would be compromised if I don't

[@DefaultFlame]

Good on you. Adobe deserves to go out of business for this.

[@paulroyle-grimes8279]

@@DefaultFlame it is a really tough time for me right now. Congress just voted to take away tools that i have invested seven years and tens of thousands of dollars building a business with over paranoia that they are capturing data, (which they arent). In the mean time Adobe is actually capturing data and nobody cares but the consumer. Two really big problems in one week.

[@DefaultFlame]

@@paulroyle-grimes8279 That really, really sucks. Can I ask what sort of tools congress took away from you?

[@jeremyivy2753]

All those companies with NDAs should be making a class action lawsuits against Adobe.

[@matturner6890]

Thank you for calling out that awful lawyer-speak people default to. It's always phony and unnecessary.

[@ItsJustAdrean]

When Adobe decided to kill flash and launch subscription plans, I concluded pirating their products was not only ethical. It was preferable.

[@Mellowcanuck33]

The only AI I am waiting for is one that can read the terms and conditions and help you send back one that is acceptable.

[@daviddesrosiers1946]

I like it.

[@Mellowcanuck33]

@@daviddesrosiers1946 "take it and go."

[@godlynewbie]

I'm just waiting for skynet

[@lesslighter]

@@godlynewbie I'm waiting for an AI who evolves humanity by lodging in them a glowing red particle to call them stud muffin

[@TK_Prod]

I had this same thought a while ago. And you can do this through an LLM, even a free version of chatgpt if you take some time to train it yourself

[@StubbyPhillips]

I am *SO* glad I dumped those creeps way back when they started the extortion... I mean "subscription" crap. Zero regrets. Sure, some people have no choice, but they really should get to work on changing that.

[@vgstb]

it's illegal

[@adamtajhassam9188]

@@vgstb Companies are doing things illigally so can we legally.

[@Dr3amWorks]

Hi Louis (@rossmanngroup) - For last 2 decades 'm working in different corporates including pharma industry. And I've realized - adding to my own disgust - that these new "policies" for using our hard owned content, that are indeed out right piracy dressed in nice words.... Well... they are only targeted on us as a single customer. This never happened in corporate world... we use multitude of services and technologies including the Adobe products and services - and never have I ever saw the conditions even remotely trying to tell us that they'll use our company data to anything like that. The pharma company I'm in at the moment would exit such a deal with the speed of light costing Adobe millions in revenue. Yet here we are, normal people without the corporate umbrella, getting... well you said it... we're getting screwed.

[@deepketo6931]

I love how he specifically calls people out instead of just saying "they"

[@matthewhilty4209]

I feel bad for people working under a NDA and now cannot access any of their work. Wow Adobe this is so crap. How many people may have just lost their job because a tool that they payed for has been taken away and will only be returned with giant strings attached. Wow.

[@sword-and-shield]

Yeah, unfortunately there is that old saying of putting all your eggs in any basket, especially concerning work or business.

[@NGC1433]

How is that a thing? The clause about Adobe licensing content uploaded to their cloud is there since forever, like since 2017 or something like that. They just added examples in this iteration. How did those mythical NDA people worked a month ago? You people are freaking out about a nothingburger. Adobe owns your shit for years and you noticed just now...

[@romelec]

@@NGC1433 Because they agreed on the TOS without reading it

[@blabla-rg7ky]

you're blown away, are you? You must be one of the ones who just woke up from their slumber

[@countzero1136]

@@sword-and-shield THAT is why you should NEVER use cloud services for any important work. People have to stop putting THEIR data on someone else's hard drive!

[@tYNS]

been using adobe software for over 30 years in the print industry. It's unbelievable how disgusting this company has become. Sad thing is, the software hasn't really done anything more than we needed past the last CS5.5. Still run old intel Macs because we don't need/want to be on a monthly extortion fee. Adobe started all this software subscription crap and ruined the industry. Companies have no incentive to actually make software better when they have a steady incoming streaming in monthly. It's horrible how people keep paying this trash company.

[@davepastern]

the AI masking in Lightroom is invaluable (I'm a bird photographer and like to separate the bird from the sky/background and process them separately). Photoshop's auto select isn't as good, but a good start with the masking. Photoshop's generative AI fill is pretty good, slightly better than content aware fill. So, there has been a few advances of worth imho, but yes, Adobe is scum. I am now looking at alternatives and will lose my website as it's on adobe portfolio (free with the photography CC plan). So now I'll need to investigate wix/squarespace and pay a fuck load more, or spin up a webserver off the home network and do that (network admin, so can do, I'm just lazy these days).

[@vireo-sc]

Adobe is a parasite. Once great now drifting slowly into the abyss.

[@chimpboy12345]

There's another angle to this that I don't know if you've considered. I previously worked for the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions in my state. 90% of my job was video editing in adobe premiere; CCTV footage, bodycam footage, police recorded video of interviews and searches and evidentiary video. Editing of video for trials is usually done at the request of the presiding judge and with agreement of both presecutor and defence council and is usually fairly minor technically. Removal of audio, removal of video segments for crimes that have already had a plea arrangement made, time skip or stitch, masking etc. And... some of that video is what the courts and police refer to as Child Exploitation Material (CEM) but what most people refer to as CP. The ODPP is a licensed Adobe customer, as are the police. They work with CEM due to the nature of their job in prosecuting crimes. Adobe, with this change to their TOS and their planned practice of accessing customer data, is literally granting themselves access to CEM. Not to mention other highly confidential data such as witness interviews that are supposed to be very carefully protected, evidence of crimes etc etc. They are going to break some very large laws by accessing that data. Laws that fines don't cover, laws with jail time.

[@BillKraft]

I had licensed copies of Adobe Acrobat and Photoshop. Now they won't let me use them anymore. Now I have pirated copies. They stole my money, so I'm just finding another way to use the products I paid for.

[@YTaccount11454]

same here, suddenly my legit license i had for 10+ years wouldn't activate, their chat said i had to buy a subscription , they literally just straight up stole the 1000$ + i paid for the software in 2011, a true criminal company

[@huymaivan8671]

And then they can sue you for pirate crime when they see your production on the market, such a twist.

[@blabla-rg7ky]

they don't care anymore (that's why they're so aggressive and blatant with their ripping-off) because they know the time of the biggest scam of the modern era (for profit companies) is over and by 2050 there will not be a single for profit company - small or big - left standing, their time is past and the greedy criminals at the top of all of these mafia companies (Samsung, Google, Adobe, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Facebook, etc) all know it, that's why they're outright braking all laws and rules of common sense: they're trying to run away with as much money as possible before the entire society collapses

[@countzero1136]

@@huymaivan8671 Like they'll ever know

[@CatalinPascaru]

No company EVER has an “opt out” from any of their TOS/EULA or whatever you want to call it these days. Because there’s no punishment.

[@josefmazzeo6628]

All online contracts are unilateral - "agree to our terms or F-U, go away." Normal contracts such as real estate or contractor projects are negotiable and either party can make changes to the contract and come to a mutual agreement, sign and date the contract and it's all done.

[@sarahsmith840]

When I was in middle school, I never thought I'd need sentence diagramming in my adult life. Now I realize we need it to get any scrap of meaning from press releases.

[@pickleandcroissant8463]

After watching this video, I now realize how often I see this language around me, from companies, managers, and even friends. Thank you.

[@MaTaTa_999]

My sister is a background artist and has opted out or outright stopped using some social media platforms to post art because of her and other artists works being scraped for machine learning. Pulling this when she has to use Adobe for work is outright criminal, especially since technically her works are owned by the studio she works for. Sad to see Adobe stoop this low

[@krux02]

They are not done yet. They are on a continuous path of going lower and lower for many years now. Every year is a new all time low.

[@DuskfoxOfficial]

You might want to tell your sister about this new platform called Cara, it’s an art platform that is recently blowing up and you can even choose to Glaze your own art if you want (basically poisoning AI models). They are openly anti-AI btw.

[@RunToEternity]

"Granny, what big teeth you have!" Adobe, "I understand your concern, just my loose dentures sweetie." "Now just hit accept on the Terms." .. "but Granny, what a big bushy tail you have." Adobe, "Come a little closer cause Granny's eyesight is poor"

[@vladls]

I have only understood 50% of this comment

[@andrewn7365]

​@@vladls It's a reference to an old folk tale about a girl finding out her grandmother is a furry with a vore fetish

[@Shining4Dawn]

@@andrewn7365 Best description of "Little Red Riding Hood" I've ever heard.

[@0525ohhwell]

Adobe: "Let me be clear, I have never eaten a young girl with a red ridding hood"

[@vladls]

@@andrewn7365 i know i just said that i have only understood 50% of this comment

[@lokifishmarz]

I spoke with a few artists that have dealt with personally copyright litigation. The general consensus was the new terms of service are effectively a very vaguely worded exclusive surrendering of your copyright to Adobe. Something which Adobe can then change/expand again, with absolutely no legal recourse available by the creator. So if six months from now Adobe decides they want to redistribute, license, and profit from anything you put on their cloud, they can. All because you already surrendered your copyright to Adobe.

[@stephaniegrehan9084]

I'm a public servant and I don't think governments are going to be okay with any (let alone ALL) of their documents being freely accessed by Adobe. I guess all govt departments will have to find alternative software for all their current adobe based ones for security reasons alone?