ROTARY VS. DUAL ACTION POLISHER: which produces shinier paint? Yvan Lacroix explains

[@daddymoesby_8239]

As a auto painter , we used FLEX rotary polisher, 3M finalcut. And later I was starting a mobile detailng buisness and I found that I got a more perfect cutting when spraying a little water on the pad, it saves money as it deactivate the compund.

[@derrickabare9986]

I've been detailing sence 84 . Started with a b&d rotary. Out of the 70s . Big heavy piece of metal . One speed . Got a flex rotary in 1990 . Used it for 15yrs . Got another flex and still use it to this day . Never go over speed 2 . I have a couple da's. Maxshine 15 series 2 and the 21 . Still find myself going back to the rotary most of the time . Main thing for me is condition of paint. Newer cars, not alot of blems I will use the da but if its pretty beat up it's the rotary all day .

[@matthewgibb2640]

the best pad for a rotary today for cutting and not leaving swirls or only a tiny amount (all bar soft paint in most cases) is a deburred wool pad. The hooks/barbs in wool pads for decades were the reason for the swirls, not the actual wool fibres. I believe rupes yellow DA wool and blue wool to be a deburred wool. Final Inspection Australia has one as well.

[@Audittr2108]

I’m not a pro and started machine polishing in 2006 with a Porter Cable (which I had to import to the UK) then moved up the the rotary. I got a long throw DA about the time the Rupes LHR15 mk2 came out and have used the rotary much since. Maybe it’s time I dug it out!

[@Detailers-Business-Academy]

Give it a try and tell us what you think.

[@LucaBonato]

Rotary for sure. Finishing and cutting is way better. The smallest the orbit the better is the finish, the duetto has 12mm, a rotary 0, but you need the Zenith methods. Also with some aggressive tecnique you can just level down the orange peel 😅 DA was born to just skip the learning curve and make the work way faster

[@HawkProDetailing]

I really wanna watch someone finish with a rotary...

[@LucaBonato]

@@HawkProDetailing you need a long superfinishing polish like menzerna 3500/scholl s30+. Start at 1000 and slowly go down to the lowest speed... See Paul dalton or depaip ( the king of detailing in Italy ).

[@STILLNIGHTPEARL]

@@LucaBonato you can definitely finish with a rotary 100% hologram free, haze free, a lot of guys simply never learned how to do it, that’s why they cut with a rotary and finish with a DA, DA is much easier to learn, there’s not much to it.

[@matthewgibb2640]

@@STILLNIGHTPEARL agreed

[@LucaBonato]

@@STILLNIGHTPEARL amen man 🤟

[@cynthiaenglish2736]

I’ve learned a lot from your videos, Nick and all of the tips I’ve implemented from Yvan’s videos have been winners. You two are great together! This was a very interesting perspective; I really enjoyed the discussion about the waffle weave pads - intuitively, it just makes sense. I think my next polisher purchase will be a rotary. I hope you will continue to make videos.

[@Detailers-Business-Academy]

Thank you!

[@HawkProDetailing]

Thanks Cynthia! I always appreciate you chiming in and watching the videos, life has been a little crazy for me but Yvan visiting has helped get me focused and excited again about the future 😊

[@carsalondetailing]

I would love to see you polish a side panel with a rotary. When I do this I struggle more than with a hood or flat panel.

[@Detailers-Business-Academy]

If you’re struggling, chances are you’re holding on to it too tightly. Take a look at this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/rn-zeaqqgddne9E

[@paulwharton1850]

So, so very interesting & helpful. Many thanks for making this video and asking Yvan Lacroix all the hard questions.

[@barrybij8079]

I really appreciate yvan's perspective.. if it works for you use that.. he trys to educate and explain his process but its up to you

[@Detailers-Business-Academy]

Exactly

[@ShineMate_Vincent]

Nice video to people in learning polishing. Need to say, not all machines are designed for low speed runing for best performance. some are better in gear 2, and some are better in gear 4-5. you need check the parameter and find the best gear poistion before using it.

[@gunnsteinnjonsson9166]

Great questions from Nick and great answers that makes sense from Yvan. It looks like this video is from your early days of collaboration, so it is a little bit funny to see how skeptical Nick is 😊

[@hartlanddetailer5670]

FYI... Hawk your microphone isn't working?

[@dtail4u]

Gr8 411. Ask Ivan, why dual action buffers have 5 - 6 speed vs just #1 speed. Or are there any 1 speed dual action buffers around to purchase? Thanks Rich.

[@Detailers-Business-Academy]

They have multiple speeds to satisfy various customers.

[@AnteekeBro]

Now this is interesting... I have a Makita rotary I can try. But it's always been DA for me for many years. Most of my jobs consist of 1 step correction to keep as much clear as possible on the car while still making a big improvement so I think DA would be better in that aspect, right?

[@Detailers-Business-Academy]

For one steps it really comes down to personal preference. Having had a few Makita 9227’s, they are a solid machine, but very heavy.

[@captainsplash24]

I’m new to polishing do you mind explain what do you mean by cut with one polish with another? I’m looking to detail my boat and want to know the best way to go on a budget

[@Factoryseconds123]

Any thoughts or updates to the video with McKee's, the one about using a rotary with a wool pad to clean fabric? Would a DA work better for removing stains from fabric upholstery?

[@Detailers-Business-Academy]

A DA with a microfibre pad is best on leather. For fabric wool and a rotary do a better job.

[@perfectshineofjax]

Great Video, McKees spray polish works great

[@DonDomel]

Flex the best

[@johnlanore599]

Few questions, if im working on a 2016 blk gmc sierra 1500. I heard the paint or clear is soft. Im not sure just what people say. Do I start with a da with a wool pad n finish with a rotary with a blk non flat pad? (waffle) Also How many of each pads would you use? The truck is in good condition but there are quite a few swirls in the paint with the paint light or in direct sun. Ive never polished before on a vehicle. Only on gelcoat (boats) Also what speed do you prefer on the rotary n da

[@matthewgibb2640]

Rotary for the win when finishing in most cases

[@HawkProDetailing]

Damn! If you and Yvan say it...it must be true. Technique please:)

[@matthewgibb2640]

@@HawkProDetailing no matter what speed that you use it at, if you slow the machine speed down by 200 rpm each pass after the first few passes then you will get a great finish. Don't buff at higher speed then stop always slow down and increase your arm speed to reduce the chance of holograms.

[@erich6879]

But WAIT!....DUAL ACTION; Gear Driven OR Random Orbital!???????????????????? HUGE DIFFERENCE!

[@HawkProDetailing]

I never use gear driven...you?

[@erich6879]

@@HawkProDetailing After watching a bunch of KZbin videos, many by Rupes, I recently puchased a Flex gear driven DA polisher for my first polisher. I am not a professional detailer.

[@totalpackagedetailingllc4413]

Gear is excellent for one steps

[@sacooper802]

I have a Bauer 8mm throw DA ITS totally WORTHLESS, especially if your doing cut and buff on new finishes. I haven't tried a 20mm throw DA and maybe that's the answer to make any progress, but until I get a 20mm throw to try out DA Im sticking with my rotary machine, it cuts and polishes way way better than a 8mm throw DA. Careful as the rotary is aggressive so slow speed and low angleand low pressure for sure, it will will do the work no problem. I use a wool rotary for cut and black waffle for polish.

[@Deved89]

your links arent working, I was wanting to check out that h9

[@HawkProDetailing]

Dang lemme check

[@HawkProDetailing]

I just clicked on it...hmmmm it seemed to work?

[@Deved89]

@@HawkProDetailing it was my browser. thanks!

[@Bull1the1Great]

You can see the question marks above your head ! Well mine too

[@Detailers-Business-Academy]

I tried to hide them, but my hair is a little short.

[@Bull1the1Great]

@@Detailers-Business-Academy was thinking about your co-host but ok 😁 great discussion ...

[@Detailers-Business-Academy]

@@Bull1the1Great Nick pretty much had them on his face.

[@qwikss4469]

What about for 1-steps?

[@Detailers-Business-Academy]

Your choice

[@lljustice3877]

Ok…are we talking the same techniques used for car clear coat would apply for a boat Gelcoat? Maybe I’m wrong but I say no

[@btbd2785]

so for someone new to paint corection overall a Regular Rotary Polisher. For both cutting and polishing waffle pad or Microfiber? 6" okay for doing both??? Can you also recommend some Brands and Models please?

[@HawkProDetailing]

honestly if you're brand new....i wouldn't touch a rotary. There are a lot of polishers out there but this is my favorite DA for the price and for the cutting power you get from it plus it finishes down nicely: amzn.to/3Ov9pwc

[@btbd2785]

@@HawkProDetailing I have looked at shinemate and they have gotten great reviews. why not a rotary polisher? I have done some small correction using a 3 4" pad attached to a drill. which spins one way like a Rotary Polisher. Still though I would like to know why you would not recommend a Rotary Polisher.

[@HawkProDetailing]

@@btbd2785 Rotary is great but it takes a learning curve, I don't know anybody besides Yvan who recommends finishing with a rotary. It's like buying a Samsung. great phone. But if you want to have everybody around you able to help you, you get an iPhone because life is just easier. Everybody these days is learning on, and using, DA. It's just a part of the modern day ecosystem. DAs are easier to learn and safer, usually, on paint. Hope that helps!

[@Reaper-Jim]

I have relied on rotary since 1986. I have used some nice DA’s and they’re fine, but rotaries are quick, effective and efficient. However, DA’s are great for applying sealant or wax. 😬😬😬

[@bpy4073]

Anyone know what spray polish yvan uses for fine finishing?

[@HawkProDetailing]

diydetail.com/products/gold-standard-polish

[@KennyCosway]

Very Trippy :)

[@HawkProDetailing]

Lol

[@julzmax956]

Rotary gang.

[@randabuffer6562]

Rotary = king

[@mohammadsyafiqwilson6672]

Dont make that confused face man 😂😂😂

[@1stfrompuertorico568]

Ready to roll