Teen Lovers Killing Everyone That Won’t Let Them Be Together, Then Host Party In The Murder House

[@eve5226]

It's so off-putting how she genuinely thought that $1,000 was a lot of money, enough for her grandparents to die over.

[@vtgamerk6344]

I know what you did eve

[@zoeb3573]

Especially because it seems her grandmother would give it to her readily

[@lorrenraven]

That's what I'm saying man!!! The fact that such young people who think they're in love and endgame, they have tunnel vision, they have zero sense of life yet so they have zero care about anyone but themselves and the person they're with. It's terrifying.

[@MiaLucifer]

@@vtgamerk6344Eve isn’t real

[@MiaLucifer]

@FLBeautyQueenthis has such little context it’s insane

[@shezafathima1152]

The fact that they think a 1000 dollars is worth killing 2 innocent lives is terrifying.

[@lukacs7161]

Reminds me of the philosophers stone from fma brotherhood

[@abigailpartida6170]

It wasn't the money

[@friedwaffleswithmilk]

It actually was though​@@abigailpartida6170

[@yukaiyami]

Even less. She was *surprised* there was actually a thousand, so they probably expected there to be less money inside. Absolute chills.

[@BeckBeckGo]

My 8 year old asked me this today: "if you have $1000, are you a milionaire?" And I'm like "no, but it means I have half the monthly rent" Kids are living in a totally separate world. They're like boomers. Life is nonstop Disney to these people. Think back to when you were 17. What did $500 (adjusting for inflation) mean to you? You've never had to pay for a mortgage, rent, even power bills. You have no conception of the cost of a bare bones cell plan. Of course a kid will go nuts for 1k. Nothing in their reality costs even close to that much. You all forgot your childhoods somehow

[@anitrachere7024]

“Vacuums up a french fry….crunch, crunch, crunch.” I just love Stephanie’s story telling skills.

[@sonic-tk9vk]

i think u mean skill

[@skbabar75]

KILLS??? IM SORRY WHAT????

[@stefaniarotaru8175]

@@skbabar75 think they meant skills.. unless you were ironically pointing out xd

[@skbabar75]

@@stefaniarotaru8175 Yeha I was

[@anitrachere7024]

@@sonic-tk9vk Oops!! 🤭I fixed it! Thanks.

[@maryhursen]

Cassandra thinking that $1000 is so life changing really speaks to her age and immaturity. I found that really chilling

[@mijajajaja]

I know. What a little fool. She's like _"wHoA! $1,000, wE aRe RICH! LeT's BuY a mAnSiOn AnD pRiVaTe JeT!!!"_

[@RB-cc4ft]

I honestly thought i was hearing wrong.

[@PikachuBolt10029]

I mean. Technically it is. For rent and bills. But that's about it. 😹

[@damienwit]

@@PikachuBolt10029 Not even that really these days. The security deposit and move in fees on a one bed apartment in Atlanta is already over $1000 just from quickly looking on Zillow. Rent and utilities are $1000-$2000. How they think they could run away on $1000 is crazy.

[@jadesmindspace]

My jaw dropped hearing that I was thinking she was going to say hundreds of thousands. Doing this to anyone is insane but her own grandparents for a pathetic $1k… so sickening 😭

[@Vip-kf6jf]

The way that teen girl talked about the process so calmly as if it's someone else's story scares me...

[@bamlover8485]

while drinking her milkshake like it's just casual talk.... insane

[@jumisjam]

fr... the way she talked about killing her family like it was just some high school drama... insane..

[@Lilbitpurp]

Cant believe no ones said it yet but…insane

[@David-uc4hc]

Banana town

[@VerMillKween]

When you have severe trauma of any sort people tend to have no emotions or are calm about it. I do it when I talk about my issues but never on this level lol

[@luzz.h]

the way cassandra is so calm talking about this like she actually thinks she's making friends with those cops is crazy

[@makaylamccullough4827]

i was thinking that too. and the way she’s sitting and making herself comfortable is so disgusting to me

[@booxdaaa]

The audacity Cassandra has to still call her grandma, 'her grandma'. A granddaughter wouldn't even THINK of laying a hand on her grandmother.

[@CCzora]

Unless for a hug 🤗

[@Kristaaaaau]

Id never hurt my grandma shes too sweet😞

[@Ayesha_2011]

fr like i feel so bad cuz i just lost my own grandmother and this just feels so vile

[@Kristaaaaau]

@@Ayesha_2011 real

[@DougieFootball]

True; I did hospice for my uncle, grandma, and mother before they died. I had promised my mother I wouldn't let her die in a hospital. I was there 24/7. The idea of killing a relative for money. I can't relate. Not at all.

[@Randomgirlhere_]

This is so creepy, the fact Cassandra sounds like a little kid but has a stare of a full on maniac is even more spine shivering and the way Stephanie describes this case is perfect

[@davidjones8043]

And her eyes… straight up literal darkness in and around them... Pure evil

[@karimelito3875]

Looks kind of like the Grinch...

[@marmedello]

Yeah I couldn’t look away from her eyes. Just creepy

[@angrydeer6011]

I have watched the whole interrogation with Cassandra and I believe there are some crucial things that Stephanie failed to mention or analyze. Firstly, based on what Cassie said, her grandparents called the cops on her as a reaction to her misbehaving and that was one of the reasons for her anger towards them. When I was 16/17, my parents also didn't know how to cope with me. I was partying a lot, experimenting with drugs, and being extremely rude. However, there are some boundaries in disciplining teenagers that caregivers shouldn't cross no matter what (to be clear - I'm talking about involving cops to punish a teenager, not for reporting serious crimes like finding a human head in a son's closet). If they had called the police on me then, I'm sure that even now, after 8 years, I would still feel an enormous grudge against them, and our relations would be much more distant. I mean... This is very huge and should lead to different speculations about this family dynamics, but Stephanie decided to ignore this part and referred to her grandparents only in this black-and-white manner. There are two proverbs in the Polish language (my native) that could be translated to: "The hell is paved by good intentions" and "Overzealousness is worse than fascism". That basically means that when you do something to someone without their consent or against their will, thinking that it's for their own good, it's easy to do more harm and damage. Obviously, you can't completely avoid making these kinds of decisions when raising a child, but I believe Cassandra's grandparents took it too far. I don't deny that they loved their granddaughter with all their hearts. They wished her the best and most likely did everything with good intentions, but that doesn't contradict the fact they made some terrible mistakes. They simply wanted to keep her safe at home and isolate her from her new boyfriend. They probably implemented very strict rules about going out with friends that were a chasm between the lifestyles of her peers. A lot of people would agree that it is not healthy to treat a 17-year-old like that. Both neglecting and the extreme version of "helicopter parenting" may be considered abuse. We don't know, what their daily life looked like, but won't you agree that calling the police on a kid is pretty extreme? There is also one very telling thing from the interrogation. When Cassandra lied about not inviting people to the house, the reason for that was wanting to protect the anonymity of her best friend and not involving her in this case (she and her boyfriend were those two who went for a visit, who were introduced as drug dealers - maybe they were, idk). And when it came out, she was very upset, she looked like she was about to cry. One of the detectives even asked a question like: "You just casually talked about murdering your grandparents without showing any emotions, so what's going on with this girl that it made you so upset?" She replied, that she (a friend) was always there for her when she was going through the hardest time and that this is one of her closest people in her life. Think about it - what could be the LOGICAL selfish motive to lie about this particular topic, which couldn't have a real impact on the verdict? This small piece of the interview shows that she is capable of selective empathy. How does that fit your amateur psychiatric diagnosis that she is an ultimate psychopath/sociopath without the capability to feel such human emotions? This is a great occasion to realize that human psychology is much, much more complicated than you probably think. To sum up, when I look at this case, I don't see just an evil teen who murders her sweet and wholesome grandparents in cold blood. In the first place, I see a 17yrs girl who was traumatized not a long time before, who was in the storm of hormones because of having a new boyfriend and hadn't got a space to experience youth love, to make those first steps before engaging in something more mature - most likely, but not necessarily with another person (from the autopsy, I know that individuals who were in relatively serious romantic relationships as teenagers will have an easier time in this area as adults). It was made difficult for her at every step. At some point, something broke inside this already physically vulnerable girl who couldn't stand the demands of her caregivers anymore. She probably felt that they wanted to take away from her everything which brings her joy. I'm 100% sure that she didn't commit this crime if they gave her more freedom. Also, knowing that instead of escaping the state immediately they were hung out in this house with dead bodies upstairs and spent money without any plan of how to avoid being caught, it doesn't seem that Cassandra was in a clear state of mind. It sounds like she could be on some maniacal rush and was denying the reality. It may be related to dissociation or delusions. I encourage you to consider this issue also from a different perspective than Stephanie presented, and only then come to a conclusion.

[@Randomgirlhere_]

@@angrydeer6011 and Stephanie always tells us to give out criticism to help her improve with her storytelling or tell her what she may have missed which she missed all of what you said and I appreciate the time you took to tell us all about a different perspective to look into. Thanks for letting me know all that I found it interesting and I can see where you're coming from upon that. Maybe that's why Cassandra had that stare that was just creepy and gave me shivers. Maybe she was a mentally unstable teen or traumatized teen that killed her grandparents because of things they did to her. I'll never fully take anyone's side when it comes to true crimes, not everyone's in the right even when they seem to be. There's probably things Cassandra knows that we will never know. What she did to her grandparents is beyond forgivable but looking into a different perspective gives us ideas on how to reach a conclusion or good idea of what might be the truth

[@Christina_xoxo]

She kills her grandparents but not the two people who have actually hurt her 💀💀💀

[@jesusloveschad]

😢

[@12012channel]

They were probably seen as too strong or too much of a threat for them. The grandparents were not a threat. They could take them down much easier. The mom and especially the stepdad not so much. Just from a psychological pov, she probably feared the step dad.

[@polarfrost8656]

@@12012channelwhich is extremely sad… as of her herself claims she is a victim and vulnerable so her GRANDPARENTS helped her and she killed them. super sad i pray they are in heaven and she realizes the negativity she and her bf has inflicted on this world.

[@KaraStewart-k3q]

What she did was horrid, I agree. But I find it hard to make fun of someone when you dont know what mental illnesses she carries, like Schizophrenia or extreme bipoler disorder. If everything she went thru with her step dad wasn't taken care of, I believe it could've worsened her state of metal health and her psychopathic ideology.

[@SammyMFsosaaa]

Watch the original interrogation. She said a lot more than that.

[@JessIsUnavailable]

“He’s 19” Yeah “He’s just divorced..?” He’s just divorced. “… okay” I had to replay that twice I couldn’t help from cackling

[@melissamoonchild9216]

lol I love her husband's commentary, it adds much needed levity

[@melissamoonchild9216]

lol I love her husband's commentary, it adds much needed levity

[@Buttaflyy_]

I thought it was just me😂😂his comments always add just a sprinkle of what's needed at any given time lol

[@Pambiritika]

Time stamp please?

[@Kaatiaa12]

@@Pambiritika 9:20

[@nhatho1723]

What's really sick is after beating her grandma to death, she noticed her grandma was just pretending to be dead. She told Johnny and he goes in to finish her off.

[@jalynnsworld6034]

yeah that’s so sick

[@JohnnyLynnLee]

She was most likely NOT pretending to be dead. She was just unconscious from the beatings. And the fact she can't even grasp THAT shows what she really is. She's clearly a psychopath. Let's not see her as "normal". That is NOT to say people that a psychologically normal don' commit heinous crimes. But the combination of her lack of remorse, and even self-awareness that others around her don't see things as chilly as she sees AND the lack of real motive shows that. She's plainly a psychopath. Evil but non-psychopath people would have a motive, a real motive (at east in their heads) and even being cold they CAN understand how people AROUND them don't see things like that.

[@thatsickkidjaz1749]

Yeah, even after one good hit to the head a person can be knocked out, doesnt mean theyre pretending 😢​@@JohnnyLynnLee

[@Andreamom001]

I don’t think she was pretending. She was unconscious and dying.

[@nhatho1723]

@@JohnnyLynnLee regardless..the fact that she believed her grandma was pretending then decided to finish her off was just…evil. Fuck. There’s like zero levels of remorse.

[@cati6706]

How Stephanie sleeps at night 😢 sourcing all these sinister crimes over and over. It surely has an effect on the mental health

[@Kinley-div4]

She also has people help her research for time efficiency and again her mental health. Must take a toll on her😢

[@APerson03]

It's got to be taxing, but I'd imagine the positive impact she's made covering such delicate topics more than makes up for facing the horror, at least for her and her team.

[@turquoisebunny]

The fact they thought they were like Bonnie and Clyde when Bonnie and Clyde were EXTREMELY close with their families is... something. They clearly don't know that story very well. Bonnie and Clyde would never hurt their own family like that. They were outlaws. They had gun battles with police and robbed banks. They let most, if not all, of their hostages go, even a police officer because he was disarmed and no longer a threat to them.

[@divinefemale]

Finally someone who actually knows about them lol thank u

[@frenzyftw]

Was looking for this comment!!!

[@MeganSpruce90]

Yes! I've watched so many documentaries and docu dramas.. even the docu-dramas seem to depict the same thing..

[@Jakal-pw8yq]

​@MSpruce90 Bonnie and Clyde have been intriguing to me since early childhood because we grew up in some of the areas where they committed their crimes. I have not seen any documentaries or docudramas on Bonnie and Clyde. I was wondering if you had the time if you could post a couple of links to some of those documentaries. I'd really appreciate it but if it's too much, I get it! 😊

[@turquoisebunny]

@@Jakal-pw8yq The one I've seen most recently and can remember clearly enough to recommend is on the KZbin channel "The Casual Criminalist" by the title of "Bonnie and Clyde: Lovers, Outlaws, Morons." But just be warned that that channel has writers and a host (Simon Whistler) who reads scripts aloud for the first time as he's recording them, so there is a lot of commentary from him as he's learning things during the script and also it's quite long at 3 hours+! I don't agree with all of his opinions but I still liked it a lot because I felt it went into a lot of detail about their story!

[@stzrrz]

It's kind of concerning how Stephanie never runs out of cases to cover

[@jxzzyrxmxrx143]

it is. but honestly and sadly it’s the world we live in..

[@r3vora]

i miss original comments

[@stzrrz]

@@r3vora sorry I just thought of it I'm not trying to be a copy LOL

[@suga3774]

@@r3vorasame 💀

[@suga3774]

Its not concerning, just devastating

[@starrmimi]

stephanie’s voice is so soothing it puts me to sleep and then i have to rewatch 3-4x to finish the entire video 😭

[@jenniferdickson3541]

LITREALLY SAME.

[@Harriett06]

same 😂

[@Leedongwookismydaddy]

Sameeee

[@roviandiaz9672]

Same HAHAHAHAHAHA

[@jessicaling6663]

SAME !😂

[@reyperezzz]

The interrogation for this is chilling, she is talking about murdering her grandparents as if she’s describing a day at school or something

[@janemiettinen5176]

She was too young to be diagnosed as a psychopath, but I cant see how it could be anything else. When murdering your grandma is just “kinda grouse”, youre beyond redeem.

[@JackieLaguna-o7s]

I watched her interrogation on EWU. It's chilling tbh. If you haven't seen it yet go take a look at it.

[@winniefindstheway]

​@user-cp7bi1yq5e I remember watching this one and being so disturbed by her flat effect and how she can't grasp the seriousness of the situation she is in at all

[@angrydeer6011]

I have watched the whole interrogation with Cassandra and I believe there are some crucial things that Stephanie failed to mention or analyze. Firstly, based on what Cassie said, her grandparents called the cops on her as a reaction to her misbehaving and that was one of the reasons for her anger towards them. When I was 16/17, my parents also didn't know how to cope with me. I was partying a lot, experimenting with drugs, and being extremely rude. However, there are some boundaries in disciplining teenagers that caregivers shouldn't cross no matter what (to be clear - I'm talking about involving cops to punish a teenager, not for reporting serious crimes like finding a human head in a son's closet). If they had called the police on me then, I'm sure that even now, after 8 years, I would still feel an enormous grudge against them, and our relations would be much more distant. I mean... This is very huge and should lead to different speculations about this family dynamics, but Stephanie decided to ignore this part and referred to her grandparents only in this black-and-white manner. There are two proverbs in the Polish language (my native) that could be translated to: "The hell is paved by good intentions" and "Overzealousness is worse than fascism". That basically means that when you do something to someone without their consent or against their will, thinking that it's for their own good, it's easy to do more harm and damage. Obviously, you can't completely avoid making these kinds of decisions when raising a child, but I believe Cassandra's grandparents took it too far. I don't deny that they loved their granddaughter with all their hearts. They wished her the best and most likely did everything with good intentions, but that doesn't contradict the fact they made some terrible mistakes. They simply wanted to keep her safe at home and isolate her from her new boyfriend. They probably implemented very strict rules about going out with friends that were a chasm between the lifestyles of her peers. A lot of people would agree that it is not healthy to treat a 17-year-old like that. Both neglecting and the extreme version of "helicopter parenting" may be considered abuse. We don't know, what their daily life looked like, but won't you agree that calling the police on a kid is pretty extreme? There is also one very telling thing from the interrogation. When Cassandra lied about not inviting people to the house, the reason for that was wanting to protect the anonymity of her best friend and not involving her in this case (she and her boyfriend were those two who went for a visit, who were introduced as drug dealers - maybe they were, idk). And when it came out, she was very upset, she looked like she was about to cry. One of the detectives even asked a question like: "You just casually talked about murdering your grandparents without showing any emotions, so what's going on with this girl that it made you so upset?" She replied, that she (a friend) was always there for her when she was going through the hardest time and that this is one of her closest people in her life. Think about it - what could be the LOGICAL selfish motive to lie about this particular topic, which couldn't have a real impact on the verdict? This small piece of the interview shows that she is capable of selective empathy. How does that fit your amateur psychiatric diagnosis that she is an ultimate psychopath/sociopath without the capability to feel such human emotions? This is a great occasion to realize that human psychology is much, much more complicated than you probably think. To sum up, when I look at this case, I don't see just an evil teen who murders her sweet and wholesome grandparents in cold blood. In the first place, I see a 17yrs girl who was traumatized not a long time before, who was in the storm of hormones because of having a new boyfriend and hadn't got a space to experience youth love, to make those first steps before engaging in something more mature - most likely, but not necessarily with another person (from the autopsy, I know that individuals who were in relatively serious romantic relationships as teenagers will have an easier time in this area as adults). It was made difficult for her at every step. At some point, something broke inside this already physically vulnerable girl who couldn't stand the demands of her caregivers anymore. She probably felt that they wanted to take away from her everything which brings her joy. I'm 100% sure that she didn't commit this crime if they gave her more freedom. Also, knowing that instead of escaping the state immediately they were hung out in this house with dead bodies upstairs and spent money without any plan of how to avoid being caught, it doesn't seem that Cassandra was in a clear state of mind. It sounds like she could be on some maniacal rush and was denying the reality. It may be related to dissociation or delusions. I encourage you to consider this issue also from a different perspective than Stephanie presented, and only then come to a conclusion.

[@janemiettinen5176]

@@angrydeer6011 When there is broken bones, it’s well beyond misbehaving and a police matter, imo.

[@MikeChrisK0104]

It makes me so uncontrollably enraged when she mentions that her grandma "peed and shat herself, it was so gross". A freaking human being, being so afraid for her life, after seeing her loved one being murdered by her own granddaughter and all this garbage abomination is saying is this,, like all she can think at that moment is this. Jesus effing Christ, I can't handle this stuff and I'm just watching a video. How could someone actually have that reaction while living it?

[@lordtette]

For people hell bent on murder you'd think they'd be aware that people can urinate and defacate when they die

[@Truthorfib]

Probably a psycopath. Unfortunately society has given them a pass and has allowed them to breed this into our gene pool. There’s a study I recall where when you ask a series of questions of “how would it feel for this person if this happened” to a psychopath, they would most likely fail. It’s because they lack the part of their brain that gives normal people empathy. Hence, they are more likely to think like this as they literally cannot comprehend other’s emotions or viewpoints.

[@Truthorfib]

She is probably a psycopath. This condition causes anyone inflicted with it to lack empathy

[@emirenee66]

and how does she not know that most humans pee and poop themselves because theyre human! no more muscles to hold anything therefore it comes out and its shocking she either didnt know or thought it was “gross” as she says which is heartbreaking

[@lethfuil]

The grandmother was certainly afraid beyond any believe, incomprehensible for most people, but that's likely not the reason why she let lose. That's likely because she was already pretty dead (and not pretending).

[@alexisverycooI]

the investigators were so calm in those interviews, i would’ve been FUMING with how chill cassandra was

[@Beckelby]

Investigators are amazing. They sat and ate with her so she'd open up more, I'd have puked. I can't even imagine how difficult it must be to pretend with her like that

[@Mk22648]

I'm terrified of lover murderers. They have something sinister about them

[@MrWescottX]

Indeed

[@VegetaReal204]

Very true.

[@thainiatinopcin752]

Ikr its crazy the lengths they would go to date that other person its crazy💯💯

[@P3nnyLamb]

Yeah

[@uncannyvalll]

For real though because how do they both find out that they want to be murderers. Does one tell the other hoping for the best and find out they're the same? Scary shit fr man

[@dannydeveato2106]

it’s so strange that she confessed that they killed her grandparents but lied about them throwing a party at their house

[@baumkuchen6543]

@roro4787 There actually is. Instead of demonizing you can study and understan this behavior and what leads to it. That way you can prevent future tragedies to happen instead just throwing your hands in the air and say they are evil.

[@Beagle04]

​@@baumkuchen6543 so what was the reason if you'd like to explain?

[@parrottroosterjuniour]

@@Beagle04reason being she didn’t want to get her friends involved nor in any trouble it could be she thought bringing them up was irrelevant since they didn’t have anything to do with it definitely some other possible reasons I’m leaving out just to lazy to think of some others but I’m pretty sure you can probably think of some reasons

[@angrydeer6011]

@roro4787 There was a reason. When Cassandra lied about not inviting people to the house, the reason for that was wanting to protect the anonymity of her best friend and not involving her in this case (she and her boyfriend were those two who went for a visit, who were introduced as drug dealers - maybe they were, idk). And when it came out, she was very upset, she looked like she was about to cry. One of the detectives even asked a question like: "You just casually talked about murdering your grandparents without showing any emotions, so what's going on with this girl that it made you so upset?" She replied, that she (a friend) was always there for her when she was going through the hardest time and that this is one of her closest people in her life. Think about it - what could be the LOGICAL selfish motive to lie about this particular topic, which couldn't have a real impact on the verdict? This small piece of the interview shows that she is capable of selective empathy. How does that fit your amateur psychiatric diagnosis that she is an ultimate psychopath/sociopath without the capability to feel such human emotions? This is a great occasion to realize that human psychology is much, much more complicated than you probably think.

[@franchellemarshman4867]

Right?

[@graeson3317]

This is honestly heart breaking. If everything is true about her grandparents taking custody because of abuse it only make this that much worse. I think every kid with a rough childhood wished someone would sweep in and whisk them away. She was given that chance and ended up killing her protectors over 1k which is probably nothing compared to what her family spent to get and take care of her

[@sz7463]

Stephanie; with your case/story telling skills I. am. on. the. floor. begging. Please cover the Mexican case that shook our nation. "The Monster of Iztapalapa". The entire story in full detail is told by the mother of the victims via letter. Her and her children were t0rtur3d by the mother's partner for years INSIDE a public school. It's still discussed if the mother is a victim or criminal. It is the most horrendous and almost vomit inducing real life horror story. And the Iztapalapa government agencies AND school staff did nothing until the 9th time the mother reported the abuser.

[@nadineharpur7712]

That sounds insane!! I’d definitely love Stephanie to cover that! ❤

[@paigeturner1039]

Horrific, those poor girls.

[@naomiemannings6499]

I can already feel my anger rising up. I hope Stephanie sees this

[@jfc32337]

You can actually suggest the story on her website, I think it’s more likely to get her to see it there

[@lupinthe27th]

@@jfc32337this

[@haleymepham9245]

The detective saying “I didn’t sh*t this out” goes so hard. These are some of the dumbest criminals in the cosmos

[@nikkis7375]

Lol my thought after hearing him say that was “hm. Men say the darndest things”😂😂

[@christinenguyen5598]

I got chills when I saw the thumbnail because I went to middle school with this guy! I can’t believe Stephanie is covering this case!!

[@ArsiBasha]

Omg??

[@azkadeelia]

I dated a guy who was obsessed with Sid & Nancy, Joker & Harley Quinn and Romeo & Juliett. He wanted us to become some sort of serial killer couple and when I didnt take his ideas serious he decided he needed to kill me before I killed him (not that I would) He planned this "glorification feast" that was to be the first of his planned kills where he invited me to a candle lit dinner with belladonna & ghb in the wine. Luckily he had no idea what he was doing and I woke up to find him smothering me in the middle of the woods out behind his house. If he was successful that night he was planning on killing his whole family after. Worst of all is he didnt do much time and is currently free. His name is James Adkins

[@happyhouse329]

😢 holy fuck thats actually scary

[@mikaelastefkova]

I don't even know what to say, I'm so sorry you've been through this... Stay safe 🙏🏻🫂

[@Blakenew127]

That is WILD. I love that you work with names haha James seems to belong to a mental ward, I doubt he won’t try to kill again

[@nhatho1723]

wtf, where do you live? That's horrifying

[@beerlahai]

I’m so sorry that happened to you! How did you get away from him in that situation? Now that he’s out I hope you don’t live in fear and that he’s been rehabilitated or better yet, found Jesus and turned his life around.

[@snoeleppard]

It was so chilling to hear her voice on the interrogation tapes. She’s a child, and murdered the people who loved her most. The way she was so casual about it all…

[@KristinaR-x3q]

She was casual about it as a way to cope. Like talking to a friend about a story. (Not justifying what she did but why she spoke that way about it.)

[@ghosty_whosty9986]

exactly! she looks and sounds so young it's crazy. that paired with the utter detachment in how she recounted the story was chilling. it's crazy how someone so young could already be so vile

[@ghosty_whosty9986]

@@BeckBeckGo what? i said that about how she looks young, and also about how she is in fact young yet still so cruel. i'm well aware that someone's age isn't dependent on how they're perceived. people often tell me i'm mature for my age, i also know very immature adults. mind you, i am barely not a middle schooler, just entered freshman year. what did you mean by "the likes of you"? and when did i say i'm assaulting her? i see how my comment could have been seen as predatory and i'm editing it now, but i assure you, that wasn't my intention.

[@BeckBeckGo]

@@ghosty_whosty9986 Your storu all about yourself is so fascinating.

[@BeckBeckGo]

@@ghosty_whosty9986 wait hang on, you're a high school freshman? Ok let's dial back. I'm sorry, I assumed you were some random adult. But you're not, according to you, so please accept my apologies. I think it's best that we speak kindly if you are a high schooler, you deserve education instead of scorn.

[@joythl]

I like how mr mango butt just goes "he's 19? (steph answers yea) just divorced? (steph answers yea again) (*and then in the mellowest voice ever*) okay"

[@lovellecalugtong6471]

As a girl who grew up so close with my Lola (Grandma) I could never imagine what they did to the Grandparents. I don't even wanna see my Grandma cry let alone seeing her hurt. The details on what and how they did to the two poor couple are too much and my brain couldn't process.

[@jalynnsworld6034]

literally i don’t even understand how someone could do that to a person who did nothing but love you!!! and then go out and act like nun happened!!! COMPLETELY FU$$ING SICK

[@金獨子]

for real… i had a hard time listening to the details on what they did to her grandparents… i love my grandparents to death and i’ve always had a soft spot for the elderly..

[@midorimuuu]

I dont think any of us as ethnic families can understand this

[@DivineAsteria]

I teared up so many times listening to this, just thinking this could be done to one’s elderly grandparents

[@janemiettinen5176]

Lola is such a cute name for grandma! Havent heard that before. And as someone who was raised by grandparents (granny is still alive, shes 92), I can relate; I want nothing but good for her, as long as she has. I would rather kill myself than her, no discussion. I cant fathom the Cassandras of this world, you have to be seriously self-centered to do what she did, for 1000 bucks and puppy love.. ugh.

[@acidification]

51:25 filming intimate video on murdered grandma’s phone is a whole new level of insane. Chilling!

[@fh9061]

To me that's crazier than attempting to host a party. Like they were soo in the mood even with the smell and everything reminding them of what they'd done.

[@laaikapella]

i was so concerned cuz in the beginning stephanie says there’s intimate videos of couple C on couple A’s phone lol i was like EXCUSE ME!?

[@everythingisfake7555]

I know… that is absolutely INSANE to me. It absolutely blows my mind.

[@hibabenkhelifa4332]

Poor Stephanie she doesn't know she made me a smart girl, clever, more awake, well educated in every aspect....thanks to her I know more and more about lots of subjects I barely had an idea about them. From the bottom of my heart thank you Steph and thank you 🐼❤

[@amaykulot4352]

"She's creepy" No girl, you are the one creepy not your grandma.

[@runicdreams44]

knew this girl in high school, we played in orchestra together. we called her cassie and she was friendly with everyone... she went through a lot, but if you knew her, you'd have never guessed she was capable of doing something like this.

[@tifKh]

Was she not very bright?

[@istoleyourmilkandcookies]

@@tifKh she thinks $1k is enough money to go on the run and be rich. so im gonna assume she wasn't very bright.

[@runicdreams44]

@@tifKh yes, she was not very bright. she was a cellist and wasn't any good at playing and was constantly called out for goofing off. i don't know what her grades were like but i'm sure they weren't great lol

[@koul3709]

Had she gone through bad stuff with her family?

[@runicdreams44]

@@koul3709 i personally didn't know the details at the time i knew her but i knew she did have problems at home while living with her mom and she moved away to live with her grandparents after they got custody of her like the video mentioned. this was maybe about a year before she killed them... honestly, the way she spoke in the video was how she talked all the time. if she was having mental problems severe enough to kill people behind it, it didn't show.

[@unicornspoon]

The way you just casually mention HORRIFYING DETAILS in your intros SENDS ME EVERY TIME, you're WILDLY amazing at this!

[@samanthaquinlan4126]

This girl should NEVER be released. Those poor people… this is very hard to listen to.

[@yui2751]

Yeah and they boy neither 🙄

[@ΔημητραΒακου-ν2ζ]

​@@yui2751 if you don't want people to kill people then just let them be happy,love is for all creatures of god

[@dammitmandy1166]

A few years back there were a couple teen in my neighbor hood that were “so in love”. Their parents wouldn’t let them be together to they came up with a plan to take the girls mom out … so after the beat her to death they hop in the car to get rid of the body and get themselves in an accident. The mom is in the trunk. As soon as police got there they told on themselves when in reality they coulda blamed it on the accident… it was a bad accident. … but they have the rest of their lives to think about it… from separate prisons. . As they deserve.

[@mattihaapoja8203]

Your mother normally travels in the trunk?

[@n0ctxrn4]

@@mattihaapoja8203 time of death wouldn’t match up with the time of the accident either

[@AliceArnaud-zs8sq]

I don't think they could have lived with that guilt outside

[@Daydream_N]

Yeah it's gonna be hard to convince the cops the mom died in the trunk lol

[@lissaw4]

That's horrible. However, as a medical provider, I can assure you that there is no way they'd get away with blaming the mother's death on the car accident. Just based on her the state of her body, alone. Accident reconstruction is extremely in-depth; even when a person doesn't die in the process. Her body making it to the trunk would be immediately questioned from the start - let alone when all the data is collected during reconstruction and calculated, showing that it doesn't match up as plausible or a possibility. Her injuries wouldn't match up with the injuries that are expected from an accident of that kind, to their own injuries, or what would be possible from the vehicle. Especially since she was already dead going in - post mortem injuries look very different than the injuries that occur before. Her body temperature, lividity, rigor mortis, decomp, and all other factors found in her autopsy would not match up correctly. Part of accident reconstruction involves calculating where bodies are thrown/land in and out of a vehicle, the types of injuries that are possible, the force needed for unexplainable circumstances, tons of thorough measurements and remeasurements, extensive photographs, and so much more. Along with more and more departments/agencies using 3D crime scene scanning and imaging of severe, deadly, suspicious, or complicated accidents. This is why it often takes hours for significant accidents to be cleared off the roadways. On top of reconstruction, cars have a device called an electronic data recorder for multiple decades, now (often referred to black boxes.) These record vital data for seconds before an accident. This shows seatbelt usage, change in velocity, how brakes were applied, what occurred with the steering wheel, air bag info, speed, etc. Combining that data with reconstruction and autopsies/medical exams gives a pretty good idea of what occurred and what is physically possible.

[@Locke86]

Thank you so much for supporting children in Palestine 💜

[@BlueEyedMomof378]

Imagine being a murderer when you're to young to know that every human evacuates their bowels and bladder when they die. I can't even fathom how black their souls had to be, especially hers, to do that to her elderly grandparents. I genuinely can't comprehend it.

[@oracleofdelphiii]

The thumbnail has no business being as scary as it is 😭

[@melissamoonchild9216]

it kinda does tho, she's legit terrifying

[@yohane2787]

the case is scary

[@chrstphrluis2206]

Sorta has all the business really

[@Meoo_kkkkqq]

Fr

[@RatsRatsIsthebest]

She looks like a weirdo

[@randayousef3323]

First red flag, married, and divorced at only 19

[@bimalsingha2106]

this comment is so out of touch with the video

[@balala5430]

@@bimalsingha2106they’re right tho

[@softsounds8453]

@@bimalsingha2106 Nah it's fitting seeing how Steph's husband called it out as well

[@rusi6219]

True that's way too late to get married

[@AMESWRLD]

if you need to kill to be together, you shouldn’t be with one another in the first place

[@SigmaFroid]

fr

[@c8137]

that’s what these people find fascination in tho

[@js66613]

Debatable. Not in this case, sure, but there are probably a handful of scenarios in which you might need to - like in life or death situations (where if you don't kill you'll never see your loved one because either you or they'll be dead), or other extremes.

[@RaiunHana]

Right? And these people think they're not gonna get caught / chased by police?

[@theescapist9450]

​@@js66613girl read the room and stop grasping at straws and making up entirely different scenarios just to be devils advocate. It's not cute. It's why people don't talk to you.

[@CherryGryffon]

This one hit incredibly close to home for me... When I was 14/15, my grandparents were killed in their own home. My grandmother was strangled with a speaker wire from her own stereo system, an old school one bc my family has always cherished music, so much her head was /almost/ severed completely. My grandfather, who worked night shift, was asleep in the bedroom but when he heard her being killed he woke up and tried to save her. His body was found, pants half on as he had clearly struggled to get dressed, in the hallway, stabbed dozens of times in the back and chest. He never even made it to her. All because their friendly neighbor found out they had some cashier's checks and my grandmother dared say he couldn't have them, but claimed she could offer a little cash if he needed something.

[@kyleejane872]

Wow. So sad. :(

[@everlastingzee]

I'm so sorry

[@elizabethw96]

I can’t even imagine. I’m so sorry. This story really hurt my heart. I can’t even imagine laying a hand on my grandparents.

[@Nicole_401]

I lost all of my grandparents throughout the years. I would give anything to be able to talk to any one of them again. So sorry for you and your family.

[@alfredfreedomjones5105]

Something was very wrong with that neighbor. Dozen stab wounds to the back and chest of a grandpa? He had anger issues to say the least

[@SDOTFILMS]

"I can't live without him/her..." seconds later break up and snitch on each other. Lol. Ffff both of them.

[@danzricca]

Cassandra's eyes are unsettling.

[@chichilafemme6336]

Johnny’s apology actually pissed me off even more. Cassandra is just a plain psychopath who might actually be incapable of empathy but Johnny had all the fucking audacity. That would’ve had me seeing red. I really hate the trend of murderers who suddenly cling to god when faced with the consequences of their actions. I’ve seen it a few times

[@BeckBeckGo]

Your husband is fantastic Husband: He's 19 Steph: He's 19. Husband: And just divorced? Steph: ... yeah Husbamd: ... ok....😊

[@grouchybren]

props to the detectives for knowing how to pivot, fr fascinating how they figured out the best way to confront her on her level

[@BostonEmily333]

“So they didn’t have a plan just all vibes?😳” “ALL VIBES” 🤣

[@leespup]

It's all about the vibes... 😂

[@lensofrose]

Who else here really admires how RM slowly unveils each part of their videos as if it were opening chapters of a storybook? I have newly discovered this channel, and I just want to say I really admire the effort you go to when storytelling! Thank you!

[@joelspooner2791]

Not him trying to bring Jesus into his foolishness. It's so sad that so many people lean on Jesus to try to shirk their responsibilities when it comes to time for payment, not because they actually found him and want to repent or be better. They're just trying to brush off what they did. I've seen people with a genuine connection and love for Christ and it's so beautiful and they're so compassionate. This is just crazy.

[@zeldaxninja3214]

Like i told the girl im the comments the one that said sum bout the gilr used to go to her school, i told her and said if u luv God obey his commandments, the commandments think of them as a help more than just sum rule, God is literally leading us from hell also u may wonder why God nv killed satan, its becuz taht wouldve went against his character as a loving God, the we would all be afraid of God even the angels😭. Fear him even tho God does hv a great humor, fear him dont be afraid tho

[@jennyhaslayer1396]

The entire point of all of it is forgiveness for sins 😂 weather you think religion is a joke, or the answer, the entire point of it is forgiveness 😂 someone, god or human, created the entire thing, so humans could be/feel forgiven for their sins lol. Of course people use religion the way they do 😂

[@lethfuil]

​@@zeldaxninja3214 You shouldn't just follow gods rules, but also those of basic spelling. o.o

[@diamondcascadeblackspring7260]

The Bible also says "Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord." Jesus compassion does not mean God does not get pissed. Whether it was Moses, David, Abraham, Cain they all faced the consequences of their sins/ crimes and just like all mankind, we will have to reflect on a lifetime of actions. We may be forgiven but there are still far reaching consequences when we succumb to evil. Forgiveness or repentance means our story is not yet over but it does not mean we are unpunished

[@abiolaakorede1509]

@@lethfuilwhy wouldn’t we follow Gods rules. Gods rules it whats makes murder absolutely wrong in all circumstances. Why would you tell a religious you shouldn’t “just follow Gods rules” have some respect

[@uncannyvalll]

The words that Stephanie spoke at the end really choked me up. That poor couple did not deserve to pass in such a cruel way. I hope Cassandra and Johnny regret what they've done until the end of their days, truly.

[@necessaryevile]

They only regret being caught

[@uncannyvalll]

@@necessaryevile sadly that may be true.

[@AnaCarolinaVanzetta]

From a psychological perspective, this is facinating. The lack of remorse she has all the while speaking and behaving like a little kid... Not to excuse her actions (I'd never do that, she deserves the worst hell can give her), but, by what I've studied in behavior analysis, someone did a number on her when she was VERY young. It's like she's trapped in that 5 y/o mental state of: if I don't get what I want, I break my toys, I throw a tantrum, 1000 bucks is life changing money, there's no right or wrong, not thinking of consequences, etc. It's really chilling. About Johnny... I don't know. By what his middle school friend said he did, he doesn't seem to be the "remorseless killer" type. It could be possible he was just an "avenger". Cassandra does seem the type to lie and exagerate to get what she wants. He could've been told that her grandparents were abusing her, or something (I'm just speculating). But what he said during sentencing left me aghast and I truly shouted "Oh Fuck Off" in the middle of my gym because I was listening to this while working out (this case was so mind blowing in the worst way possible that I just had to come here and leave a comment on the video). (Him having add and depression could also explain an avenge killing. ADD has a spectrum, you could have any kind out of several that exist. I have the obsession with specific knowledge for certain periods of time, taking up random hobbies and just dropping them, and severe insomnia and anxiety. But there's one type that gives people a MUCH higher chance of addiction and a strong sense of justice, to the point that you might make justice with your own hands if you believe nothing is being done about it.) I'm not excusing his actions. He also deserves to burn in hell. I hope Wendy and Randall are resting in peace, knowing and believing this wasn't their fault. They gave every resource, every opportunity and every chance to their granddaughter, she was the one who decided to spit at all that. (also, sorry for any english mistakes, it's my second language)

[@malinasworld]

I’m surprised they didn’t talk about Cassandra’s abuse from her step father or her mental state and capacities more. There’s something deeply wrong with her.

[@AnaCarolinaVanzetta]

@@malinasworld I think they wanted to focus on the victims more and not try to humanize the murderers, like some other true crime pods out there.

[@TankHardcheese]

They committed double homicide and attempted to commit [OHIO] together.... only to break up and try to pin the blame on each other shortly thereafter. Teens, this is why your parents roll their eyes when you talk about "true love" and "soulmates." EDIT: Holy shit everybody misinterpreted this comment lmao Reading Comprehension's hard, I guess. Yes, I know you shouldn't dismiss your kid's feelings. However there *are* things that are out of their grasp of understanding *because* their brains are still developing. "True love" is one of those things.

[@Chubsyboo]

And that’s why teens don’t listen to their parents. If you belittle them and dismiss their emotions, of course they won’t listen. And that’s how you get pregnant teens/killer teens, groomed teens etc. Their feelings are real and valid, guide them through them instead of dismissing them 🙂

[@JTalksNow]

@@Chubsyboo I think this girl was beyond being saved at this point. She has no empathy.

[@JohnnyLynnLee]

She's clearly a psychopath. Let's not see her as "normal". That is NOT to say people that a psychologically normal don' commit heinous crimes. But the combination of her lack of remorse, and even self-awareness that others around her don't see things as chilly as she sees AND the lack of real motive shows that. She's plainly a psychopath. Evil but non-psychopath people would have a motive, a real motive (at east in their heads) and even being cold they CAN understand how people AROUND them don't see things like that. It's NOT about normal teens we are alking about here.

[@marsh3852]

not really, most teens dont randomly murder loved ones for "teen love"

[@bunny8936]

that's literally the worst way to censor something, jfc

[@Celtic-cutie]

This shade of pink looks so good on you! And your makeup complimented it so good

[@littlebear06142007]

STEPHANIE, You have a gift for telling these horrific crimes. Excellent job!

[@amypendragon5129]

The worst part is that she turned her anger on her rescuers and not her perpetrators. I guess that's where the expression 'a good deed never goes unpunished' came from. I hope that one day, each of these young people feels the crippling pain of true remorse.

[@elithebeyonder8381]

Imagine finding someone as twisted as you in a world of billions of people to think it's that easy is quite scary Stephanie you are extremely brave

[@Lily-wk8kv]

Brave? Nobody is gonna hurt her for making readily available info online. Stfu

[@Chatndiva]

Fred and rosemary west

[@JustEnjoyThisShii]

@@Chatndivathe “Barbie & Ken killers” Karla Homolka & Paul Bernardo

[@getraptureready777]

That girl looks like that MOMO character

[@lukacs7161]

Bro don't insult momo like that

[@najahosman9620]

@@lukacs7161lololllll

[@Wobbles_09]

18:06 literally creeped me out so much. You can tell those are the eyes of someone who’s not right in the head

[@janiyahpowell614]

I got chills when I saw that

[@jamiemetcalfe7945]

Incest is monstrous trauma. The sort of trauma that halts emotional development, evident in voice and affect. This girl comes across as about 8 years old.

[@TheOnlyLadyBella]

This is true

[@ManiyaVinas]

didn't watch the full video but it is vile that female killers always have a story where they were (s*xually) abused by men, meanwhile male serial killers can have normal childhood but due to prnsickness still kill

[@jamiemetcalfe7945]

@ManiyaVinas I haven't noticed that at all. There's a reason that the worst thing you can call someone is mf. Perhaps the trend you noticed could be due to male victims of incest being less likely to reveal this. They might feel more culpable or they realize that they will get little public sympathy. I feel these guys are way more dangerous than women similarly abused

[@coffeefox5703]

@@ManiyaVinas Your misandry is showing.

[@welcometohell2495]

It’s also not an excuse for murder though. I’m a victim of CSA and while some get emotionally developmentally stunted, some are more like me and just end up behaving like adults at a very early age. But it also can wax and wane, so sometimes I don’t always react appropriately to emotional stress. Stephanie has said it before but I’m a firm believer that trauma doesn’t make you violent, you have to have that in you before the trauma happens.

[@theThePimp]

I think the juxtaposition of her being so open and detailed about how they committed murder but she was so reluctant to admit she had people over and was going to throw a party is so telling that she is still in “wild child with strict guardian” mode, because that’s likely something she’s trained her self to lie about

[@KentoYamazaki1]

Who has rotten mango playing while they’re asleep or doing smthn like cooking or cleaning

[@OublietteTight]

Hahaha perfect question! LOL

[@rheatrapnell7837]

homework for me lol 😭

[@kulsnake2519]

Everydaaaay I sleep to Stephanie's voice hahaha

[@aliceakasha1891]

Sleep or eating for me

[@clara4800]

I was just cleaning lol

[@MarthDawnDJ]

For some reason, Stephanie's voice is my calm pill. I've watched and listened to every single podcast on Rotten Mango's channel. Love you from Philippines.

[@samslembrouck1778]

I agree!

[@TruthInTunes]

I was an intended target of a teen "lovers murderers" plot. They were planning on taking us out so they could be together. What's crazier is that when I met the boyfriend I literally said, "I don't like him, I'm sorry, but he seems like the type that would kill us in our sleep." I didn't know how accurate that statement was! Always listen to that voice and never second guess your first thought.

[@DragonHeart29]

- He's 19 - Yeah - He just divorced - Just divorced - Ok..

[@kristakleer5147]

Her actual interview, I think featured by EWU, is chilling. Even Steph'a presentation of Cass and her boyfriend makes them sound "human" but in the interview... dang... her eyes are literally empty. Talking like she's discussing what she ate for lunch. And she answers directly too while staring back at the investigators. These people should never be let out back to society. Smh

[@Aventurine__8]

Cassandra’s eyes are terrifying they’re so haunting and Judy’s o scary 😭

[@purplepastrybakes]

The way that Cassandra was explaining to the detectives was just so creepy. She's like this and that, no remorse or emotions whatsoever with the crime she and her boyfriend committed. Like that's mentally concerning.

[@batmaxxx]

"It makes me scared to have children." Same steph, same.

[@baumkuchen6543]

You need to understand one thing. Cassandra was supposed to be assaulted by her step father. Those things do unimaginable things to childs development and mind. Those things are life lasting. Among many there is dissasociation and emotional detachment. It’s not an excuse of course, but it’s about understanding instead of demonizing. Understanding makes you catch early signs to prevent other tragedies to occur.

[@miss0macss]

If you plan to mistreat and neglect a child, you won't want that child, trust me.

[@veraanastasiaramirezrozas1633]

Just don't spoil children with materials. Spoil them with love but not to the point of enabling them. This is just so simple. If the child is troubled then find the issue. Believe me my siblings and I didn't get the happiest childhood. It wasn't awful but let's say it did get us all interested in why people harm others. I was quite a peculiar child, even now and then I question whether there is something wrong with me. But I have to thank my mom for that. If anything parents scare me more than children.

[@GothicLotta]

This makes me scared to have kids and scared to date. Bc everything in life comes with trust, but it's so scary when you don't know the other's intentions. That one day they are so sweet and the next day they are evil and with a blink of an eye you're gone. Like the grandparents in this video they literally took the fall for something that wasn't their fault. It's so scary to think that your loved one or your partner could easily turn on you if they wanted to.

[@pinkmannequin9431]

I absolutely love your videos, the most casual and real feeling story times with no cuts, no reading, just like I am sitting there

[@caliebarber6294]

I went to school with Cassie. I didn’t know her personally, but one of my friends was super close with her. I remember how heartbroken he was and how shocked everyone was to hear about it.

[@malinasworld]

Can you tell us some more about how she was as a friend and student, please?

[@softsounds8453]

What school did she go to? I'm curious if I knew the girl

[@sanaspring8426]

When I was younger and lived with my grandparents, my grandpa tried to assault me. I told my grandma about it, but she just told me to behave well, follow her around, and try not to be alone. She never even confronted my grandpa. My grandparents were such awful people, but I never thought of hurting anyone; I just tried to run away from the situation. The fact that Cassandra's grandmother tried to shield her from those who assaulted and posed a threat speaks volumes about her grandmother's deep care for her. It's truly heartbreaking that such undeserving harm befell them. I'm unsure if Cassandra's grandparents were also verbally or otherwise abusive towards her, but regardless, choosing violence and abuse is unequivocally wrong. It's a responsibility we each bear individually. Losing control and inflicting harm, enjoying the suffering of others, allowing suppressed anger to manifest destructively-it's tragic, but there's an understanding of why these actions occurred, even without restraint. My thoughts are with Cassandra's grandparents, hoping their souls find peace.

[@angrydeer6011]

I have watched the whole interrogation with Cassandra and I believe there are some crucial things that Stephanie failed to mention or analyze. Firstly, based on what Cassie said, her grandparents called the cops on her as a reaction to her misbehaving and that was one of the reasons for her anger towards them. When I was 16/17, my parents also didn't know how to cope with me. I was partying a lot, experimenting with drugs, and being extremely rude. However, there are some boundaries in disciplining teenagers that caregivers shouldn't cross no matter what (to be clear - I'm talking about involving cops to punish a teenager, not for reporting serious crimes like finding a human head in a son's closet). If they had called the police on me then, I'm sure that even now, after 8 years, I would still feel an enormous grudge against them, and our relations would be much more distant. I mean... This is very huge and should lead to different speculations about this family dynamics, but Stephanie decided to ignore this part and referred to her grandparents only in this black-and-white manner. There are two proverbs in the Polish language (my native) that could be translated to: "The hell is paved by good intentions" and "Overzealousness is worse than fascism". That basically means that when you do something to someone without their consent or against their will, thinking that it's for their own good, it's easy to do more harm and damage. Obviously, you can't completely avoid making these kinds of decisions when raising a child, but I believe Cassandra's grandparents took it too far. I don't deny that they loved their granddaughter with all their hearts. They wished her the best and most likely did everything with good intentions, but that doesn't contradict the fact they made some terrible mistakes. They simply wanted to keep her safe at home and isolate her from her new boyfriend. They probably implemented very strict rules about going out with friends that were a chasm between the lifestyles of her peers. A lot of people would agree that it is not healthy to treat a 17-year-old like that. Both neglecting and the extreme version of "helicopter parenting" may be considered abuse. We don't know, what their daily life looked like, but won't you agree that calling the police on a kid is pretty extreme? There is also one very telling thing from the interrogation. When Cassandra lied about not inviting people to the house, the reason for that was wanting to protect the anonymity of her best friend and not involving her in this case (she and her boyfriend were those two who went for a visit, who were introduced as drug dealers - maybe they were, idk). And when it came out, she was very upset, she looked like she was about to cry. One of the detectives even asked a question like: "You just casually talked about murdering your grandparents without showing any emotions, so what's going on with this girl that it made you so upset?" She replied, that she (a friend) was always there for her when she was going through the hardest time and that this is one of her closest people in her life. Think about it - what could be the LOGICAL selfish motive to lie about this particular topic, which couldn't have a real impact on the verdict? This small piece of the interview shows that she is capable of selective empathy. How does that fit your amateur psychiatric diagnosis that she is an ultimate psychopath/sociopath without the capability to feel such human emotions? This is a great occasion to realize that human psychology is much, much more complicated than you probably think. To sum up, when I look at this case, I don't see just an evil teen who murders her sweet and wholesome grandparents in cold blood. In the first place, I see a 17yrs girl who was traumatized not a long time before, who was in the storm of hormones because of having a new boyfriend and hadn't got a space to experience youth love, to make those first steps before engaging in something more mature - most likely, but not necessarily with another person (from the autopsy, I know that individuals who were in relatively serious romantic relationships as teenagers will have an easier time in this area as adults). It was made difficult for her at every step. At some point, something broke inside this already physically vulnerable girl who couldn't stand the demands of her caregivers anymore. She probably felt that they wanted to take away from her everything which brings her joy. I'm 100% sure that she didn't commit this crime if they gave her more freedom. Also, knowing that instead of escaping the state immediately they were hung out in this house with dead bodies upstairs and spent money without any plan of how to avoid being caught, it doesn't seem that Cassandra was in a clear state of mind. It sounds like she could be on some maniacal rush and was denying the reality. It may be related to dissociation or delusions. I encourage you to consider this issue also from a different perspective than Stephanie presented, and only then come to a conclusion.

[@sanaspring8426]

@@angrydeer6011 Thank you for your insightful analysis. While I appreciate your perspective, I must respectfully disagree with the notion that Cassandra displayed significant empathy or that her actions can be primarily attributed to strict parenting and psychological stress. 1. Brutality of the Crime: The extreme violence - involving blunt force trauma and slitting throats - indicates a level of brutality beyond typical teenage rebellion or reaction to strict parenting. These actions suggest a profound lack of empathy and emotional detachment. 2. Lack of Remorse: Cassandra's behavior after the crime, including staying with the decomposing bodies and hosting a drug-fueled party, demonstrates a significant lack of remorse, inconsistent with someone who feels empathy or guilt. 3. Selective Empathy: While her emotional response concerning her friend may indicate selective empathy, this can be self-serving. Protecting her friend could be more about self-preservation than genuine emotional connection. 4. Psychological State: Even if Cassandra experienced psychological issues, the extreme nature of her actions suggests a severe deficiency in empathy. Many with psychological distress do not resort to such violence. 5. Ensuring Her Grandmother's Death: At one point, Cassandra realized her grandmother might be pretending to be dead and told her boyfriend to finish her off. This act shows a complete lack of empathy and cold calculation. 6. Comparison with Typical Teenage Behavior: Many teenagers face strict parenting and conflicts without resorting to murder. The comparison to typical teenage behavior overlooks the extreme nature of her actions. In conclusion, the evidence points to a profound lack of empathy in Cassandra's actions. The brutality, lack of remorse, and cold calculation suggest deeper psychological and emotional issues beyond the challenges of strict parenting and teenage rebellion. Thank you for considering my perspective.

[@shitsand.giggles]

@@angrydeer6011 The Fbi should send out a watchlist for your grandparents or caregivers :(

[@angrydeer6011]

@@shitsand.giggles I'm not from US and I didn't write this comment there, so FBI is not able to catch me XD

[@angrydeer6011]

​@@shitsand.giggles and you know where people are prosecuted by the authorities for expressing their opinions on the internet? In Saudi Arabia for example. Salma al-Shehab was given 34 yrs in prison when she flew there to visit her relatives, for writing the comment IN ANOTHER COUNTRY. Do you want to live in such authoritarian/totalitarian system?

[@thehammer72]

The jump scare I got when she said they wanted to move to my hometown was so real

[@nadiaestrada3710]

Exvessive use of bleach is always a red flag

[@j.a.m.b4194]

Right. I feel like I'm a pretty clean person and I couldn't even tell you the last time I bought or used bleach. Anything more than a bottle bought at a time should be flagged by stores, jic the police come asking questions

[@lukacs7161]

Me when that one tomato stain won't go away

[@astermorgue]

i once used more than a liter of bleach to try and get blue splat hair dye out of my friends tub after rinsing…i felt terrible

[@quirkynation]

These kids sound completely sociopathic. The narration of events to police was like telling what happened at a family picnic. Jeez. I am so sorry for the family of the victims. So horrific. Thank you again for all the hard work on making these pods so professionally, with respect and such amazing storytelling.

[@corruphted]

i love putting Stephanie on in background while i'm playing a game, doing chores around the house, or even trying to fall asleep. she never runs out of cases to listen to LOL

[@themasterflexG]

“They don’t look me the same anymore” Well no shit sherlock, you broke his rib. They allowed you around by the grace of some random galaxy dude at that point.

[@acidification]

It is so heartbreaking that the grandparents had to go through so much prior to their passing.. cannot imagine what was going through their head knowing their granddaughter has the murderous streak in her and prey on them 😢

[@morganmae13]

31:00 How does somebody accidentally spray themselves with both pepper spray and bear spray like how do you not learn after the first one 😂

[@bslovely88s60]

@morganmae13 You beat me to this comment 😆 🤣 I'm thinking the same thing!

[@lalaland7961]

As a psych major, Cassandra is the first example of a true psychopath I've seen talked about on these crime channels. That's why it's hard to understand her demeanor as regular people. Psychopaths have no remorse. They genuinely don't have empathy. They can slap a baby out of nowhere just to see if it will cry. Then they'll keep going because they cant really understand why they're crying and want it to shut up. You know when someone gets punched in the face? and you cringe for them as if its you about to get punched?.... Psychopaths don't have that feeling. Psychopaths don't even understand secondhand embarrassment just their own. I hope it makes sense now why it seems like she doesn't really care that she killed her own grandparents. Complete and total lack of remorse. Everything she cares about is just herself. Thats why she turned on her boyfriend immediately. Her boyfriend might not be a psycopath because of that phone call where he called to apologize. He may have bipd but I def need more info.

[@pagaporvista569]

Thanks for this interesting insight. She reminds me so much of some of my family members that are on Adderall and self medicate with other controlled and illegal substances. Seem so out of touch with reality and don't have normal emotions. Then again, maybe they are psychopaths..

[@Daydream_N]

Bipd?

[@alexaar4951]

@@Daydream_Nbipolar disorder

[@Miss_Kisa94]

​@@pagaporvista569 no psychopathy is actually very rare the family member that acts like this are more than likely behaving that way due to the mixture of pills that they're taking

[@janemiettinen5176]

I agree, even if she was too young for that diagnose at the time. I just cant see it being anything else. And Id bet she has had new victims in prison, she is that type of girl who messes with other people for entertainment and creates drama out of thin air. I feel bad for people in her path, they are bound to be used and discarded. Luckily she doesnt seem to be extremely smart.

[@Sandra.Sandy.Robinson]

I saw this entire interview and Stephanie isn't exaggerating and just showing the most sensational clips. The entire Interview is exactly like these clips.

[@angrydeer6011]

I have watched the whole interrogation with Cassandra and I believe there are some crucial things that Stephanie failed to mention or analyze. Firstly, based on what Cassie said, her grandparents called the cops on her as a reaction to her misbehaving and that was one of the reasons for her anger towards them. When I was 16/17, my parents also didn't know how to cope with me. I was partying a lot, experimenting with drugs, and being extremely rude. However, there are some boundaries in disciplining teenagers that caregivers shouldn't cross no matter what (to be clear - I'm talking about involving cops to punish a teenager, not for reporting serious crimes like finding a human head in a son's closet). If they had called the police on me then, I'm sure that even now, after 8 years, I would still feel an enormous grudge against them, and our relations would be much more distant. I mean... This is very huge and should lead to different speculations about this family dynamics, but Stephanie decided to ignore this part and referred to her grandparents only in this black-and-white manner. There are two proverbs in the Polish language (my native) that could be translated to: "The hell is paved by good intentions" and "Overzealousness is worse than fascism". That basically means that when you do something to someone without their consent or against their will, thinking that it's for their own good, it's easy to do more harm and damage. Obviously, you can't completely avoid making these kinds of decisions when raising a child, but I believe Cassandra's grandparents took it too far. I don't deny that they loved their granddaughter with all their hearts. They wished her the best and most likely did everything with good intentions, but that doesn't contradict the fact they made some terrible mistakes. They simply wanted to keep her safe at home and isolate her from her new boyfriend. They probably implemented very strict rules about going out with friends that were a chasm between the lifestyles of her peers. A lot of people would agree that it is not healthy to treat a 17-year-old like that. Both neglecting and the extreme version of "helicopter parenting" may be considered abuse. We don't know, what their daily life looked like, but won't you agree that calling the police on a kid is pretty extreme? There is also one very telling thing from the interrogation. When Cassandra lied about not inviting people to the house, the reason for that was wanting to protect the anonymity of her best friend and not involving her in this case (she and her boyfriend were those two who went for a visit, who were introduced as drug dealers - maybe they were, idk). And when it came out, she was very upset, she looked like she was about to cry. One of the detectives even asked a question like: "You just casually talked about murdering your grandparents without showing any emotions, so what's going on with this girl that it made you so upset?" She replied, that she (a friend) was always there for her when she was going through the hardest time and that this is one of her closest people in her life. Think about it - what could be the LOGICAL selfish motive to lie about this particular topic, which couldn't have a real impact on the verdict? This small piece of the interview shows that she is capable of selective empathy. How does that fit your amateur psychiatric diagnosis that she is an ultimate psychopath/sociopath without the capability to feel such human emotions? This is a great occasion to realize that human psychology is much, much more complicated than you probably think. To sum up, when I look at this case, I don't see just an evil teen who murders her sweet and wholesome grandparents in cold blood. In the first place, I see a 17yrs girl who was traumatized not a long time before, who was in the storm of hormones because of having a new boyfriend and hadn't got a space to experience youth love, to make those first steps before engaging in something more mature - most likely, but not necessarily with another person (from the autopsy, I know that individuals who were in relatively serious romantic relationships as teenagers will have an easier time in this area as adults). It was made difficult for her at every step. At some point, something broke inside this already physically vulnerable girl who couldn't stand the demands of her caregivers anymore. She probably felt that they wanted to take away from her everything which brings her joy. I'm 100% sure that she didn't commit this crime if they gave her more freedom. Also, knowing that instead of escaping the state immediately they were hung out in this house with dead bodies upstairs and spent money without any plan of how to avoid being caught, it doesn't seem that Cassandra was in a clear state of mind. It sounds like she could be on some maniacal rush and was denying the reality. It may be related to dissociation or delusions. I encourage you to consider this issue also from a different perspective than Stephanie presented, and only then come to a conclusion.

[@TabooTalz]

​​​@@angrydeer6011I mean, I've just gotten to the part where Cassandra broke her grandpa's ribs and she's on probation for assaulting her grandparents, that sounds like a reasonable cause for calling the police lol Also I don't know if it's abuse or neglect or even helicopter parenting to not want your 17 year old granddaughter to date a 19 year old who got divorced two weeks ago lol. I haven't finished the video yet but I would assume that if she was actually abused by her grandparents, the defense would have jumped to use that. If she loved her friend more than her grandparents, it could come down to as simple a reason as her friend supported her relationship and her grandparents didn't

[@sammikirk1396]

Ive watched the entire interview and its beyond scary to think these aren't the first kids to do something like this. I loved hearing your version, wonderfully told as always 😊

[@Kax9082]

"It makes me scared to have children" that's the most relatable statement I've even heard. I never wanted to be a mom but with my current relationship of 5 yrs I thought about it and then I hear this kind of stories and it scares the shit of me to give my life for someone who I don't know how's gonna turned out in the future. Could be a great person or could be the worst person I've ever met. That's crazy.

[@captivatedlunt1895]

I always say having kids is like Russian roulette. You never know what you’re going to get.

[@imjubli._.]

just finished watching BAM and Stephanie uploads again?? I’m so happyyyy

[@abrarjamal99]

Samee 😭❤️❤️❤️❤️🎉

[@alliashell173]

My life is complete

[@kenzagui2097]

sameeeeee

[@CinnamonRollAuChocolat]

What is bam

[@marley9904]

Always here waiting for Stephanie 's new video

[@lara.spencerrr]

i don’t know how to explain this but typically when you think of someone who’s capable of murder you think of an individual with a tarnished mind, someone who’s seen a lot and isn’t phased by it. You might even think of murder being a mature act in a way. But them two kids, murdering innocent people in cold blood yet being so incredibly immature is so eerie. they both thought 1000 dollars was so much money. Cassandra thought her grandmother being unconscious was her faking being dead. So much immaturity, yet they killed innocent people. they did such a mature act. scary.

[@stellathomson1904]

Only a teenager can think that they are "rich" if they have $1000

[@Jsbsbdvsvajjs]

She’s honesty just kind of unintelligent tbh. I’m 16, one year younger and working at a podcast to make a little under $1000 by the end of the month, most ppl working there are about my age or 1-3 years older than me, and we all are very aware that it’s not a lot of money and that we cannot recklessly spend it all.

[@mothydududu]

Bro when I was 15 i thought $250 was a lot of money 😂

[@krayozmines]

Im pretty sure i earned at least 1k during an internship and knew it wasnt much. This girl just wasn't bright

[@rivers_cuomobutfreaky]

i’m 13 and i know that $1000 isn’t a lot of money.

[@Lex_A4]

1k? She killed her grandparents for a thousand fricken dollars?

[@McDonalds_Tighnari_official]

I’m gonna use this for my essay im writing. It’s about teen crime and the problems it causes and why it happens. This is honestly just sad and stupid of them

[@emdietrich-r4193]

good luck with the essay!

[@McDonalds_Tighnari_official]

@@emdietrich-r4193 thanks💛🩵💙

[@Champion_of_Vlaakith]

Good luck with your essay mate.

[@McDonalds_Tighnari_official]

@@Champion_of_Vlaakith :)💛🩵💙

[@NemJimm]

goodluck!

[@silverbatwing]

Cassandra’s voice sounds like a 7year old 😂

[@JM_Mk]

Ikr I thought she was 10

[@charlierohkohl5182]

A lot of her behaviors point to ongoing abuse and severe trauma. She’s completely disconnected herself from her grandparents and I wonder what Johnny was like before this. It really sounds like he convinced her this was the way as she clearly only had the stability of these two people.

[@Estherscafe]

Cassandra seems like she didn’t have the best childhood. She was heavily neglected, in addition to likely experiencing other traumas. She was fortunate to have her grandparents, who wanted the best for her. It seems she wasn’t taught how to regulate her emotions or even how to feel them. I think this played a role in her "evilness." Not feeling your emotions is one of the ways we protect ourselves. Of course, that doesn’t justify any of her crimes.

[@straykids_yay5470]

Another thing that I think attributed to her calmness was that she hasn’t fully grasped death. The way she was speaking even about her and Johnnys attempt make it seem as she hasn’t fully grasped it. People were saying her childlike way of speaking is terrifying but the fact is she IS a child one with trauma and mental issues but as u said doesn’t justify it at all

[@georgie5053]

I also don’t think her saying “you know” was her trying to get them to understand her I think it’s just something she says a lot probably. I mean personally when I try to think of things I say you know and other things to even better understand what I’m trying to say. I mean they make it seem like it’s an uncommon phrase and her saying it is her just trying to get sympathy. And while I understand these people just hearing the story and saying she’s a terrible person they don’t fully know what has happened in her life or her mental state. It’s easy to assume and judge. And I’m not excusing what she did it’s still terrible I think people shouldn’t be as hard on her. Especially because she’s a teenager and doesn’t even have a fully developed brain. And this is just speculation but maybe after feeling abandoned by her mom from not protecting her maybe she thought other people in her life wouldn’t protect her except her boyfriend because she thought they had a genuine love for eachother.

[@aykakatibli7249]

⁠@@georgie5053it is very easy to judge a cold-blooded murder, I agree 😂

[@yup_im_tiff]

As a person who recently loss their mom I’d disown my child for doing this to my parents. WTF is wrong with her. She’s talking about it like she’s talking about her weekend plans

[@melissamoonchild9216]

I'm sorry for your loss 🖤

[@fauzianalwoga]

Same. I lost my mom and it hurts

[@GothicLotta]

I never even got to see my grandparents bc they passed before I was even born, so the fact that she's doing this to her grandparents who looked so sweet, it just hurt me. Someone got a chance to be born around the time where their grandparents are alive only to take them out.

[@beck3520]

Why did I go “well that’s just a crime in itself” when she said the fried rice was just on the floor, no plate, nothing 🤣 it’s not what I should’ve focused on but I did

[@dandapango1640]

That picture of the girl in the thumbnail is terrifying 😢

[@quwandathornton]

frrrrr

[@Wobblewobble122]

She looks possessed. Like even when she stared at the camera, I got freaked out….

[@sverkegrndahl1650]

That is a yawn. It's called clickbait. They always go for the least flattering thumbnail. I think most people would look possessed when yawning and you freeze the video at the right moment.

[@603wright2]

Omg I know right!

[@Chibbykins]

​@@sverkegrndahl1650 it's hardly clickbait when she literally looks like that just while talking. Wide eyed and spaced out and almost inhuman

[@janieli]

As someone who was raised by my grandparents and love them so dearly, I can't believe this story. So gut wrenching.

[@ahuitzilin]

@ 41:05 the detective being thrown off by her just admitting the plan kinda made me chuckle she's like "wait hold on lemme write this down" feel bad for these people who have to deal with crazies all day, you're a god send

[@Alexie24Alexie]

No matter what happened. I cannot imagine hitting an old person .. the thought of it feels so disgusting... imagine beating them to death. This is so sad I feel bad for the grandparents

[@tay7731]

The empty look in Cassandra’s eyes during the interrogation is absolutely bone chilling

[@sig227]

I always fall asleep to Stephanie . I don’t know how many times I rewind every one of the videos from all three of her channels 😂

[@DivaViews]

Stephanie's cold openings keep getting smoother and spookier!

[@melissamoonchild9216]

girl I've been binging your videos all day while i clean, your timing is *impeccable*