Roubini DEBATES Roger Ver: Will Cryptocurrencies Fail Or Succeed? (FULL DEBATE)

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[@MrMarkEdward]

Anyone who turns down thousands of dollars worth of Bitcoin Cash is an idiot. Roger, You’re a great representative for cryptocurrencies. Keep it up.

[@chrissalley9468]

Videos like this will be priceless in 5-10 years

[@IWTBF]

Couldn’t they afford chairs

[@ouruhuru]

IWTBF they did indeed pay for chairs but by the time the order went through there was a devaluation of 99% which erased the furniture firm’s profit margins and they were forced to liquidate their remaining stock.

[@michael8551]

Nouriel is making a serious good point actually

[@matiasss550]

Yes....but....El salvador - legal tender. That´s a country, enough.

[@_nathan]

Fantastic. Much better seeing a debate like this as opposed to BTC v BCH. Well done Roger!

[@czargetscrypto2112]

Rodger this seriously might be the best debate I've seen you do in a while, had me clapping and cheering. I feel like you have changed your dynamic, you dont make it personal anymore, you make it strictly factual. I applaud you sir

[@LeonOcean_]

funny how usually "bitcoin" supporters are young and anti bitcoiner be like ancients

[@saadsaad4605]

Young and naive.

[@Realisticautism]

Im young and see how they target the young and poor its sick!

[@merrykrichtsamt]

Roubini is a legend, he says things as they are. No filter and no bullshits.

[@harryheart6018]

Nouriel Roubini is down 95% from HIS all-time high! 😁

[@909sickle]

The urban dictionary entry for "off the rails" needs to link to this debate. Don't let these mental dinosaurs trigger you, Roger. Your arguments are all solid and if you keep your cool, you'll make the other guy the fool.

[@luisgarcia639]

Roubini needs to read “The Creature Of Jekyll Island”

[@alexjohnward]

He is the creature!

[@luisgarcia639]

alexjohnward 😆😆😆😆 indeed.

[@nate2091]

Amen to that, truth be told though Roubini is prolly in on it with the bankers. and is to set in his ways anyway even if he werent.

[@luisgarcia639]

Nate Tant he was completely empty of logic in his argument.

[@hodlwise2470]

The Creature *from* Jekyll Island

[@Mastermined710]

Roubini is full of rage and angry at the world.

[@MrHarumakiSensei]

I think that anger comes from knowing deep down that you are wrong, but having no idea why.

[@gen-X-trader]

Really like how Roger cornered him and just said do you feel like people should have control of their own money? He couldn't answer it ! he wouldn't answer it! Roubini just danced around trying to dodge the question and when you look at what he did say. He's all for government control

[@spclagent7]

Where do you live Kyle? How about we remove the police and let you be on your own? What stupidity

[@MM-nw6bx]

Why is roubini so frustrated ..

[@CryptoTaxAttorney]

Munish Malhautra Because he has not been laid in years.

[@stacknsat]

Because his purchase power is down like a shitcoin

[@UltraRik]

Now this is the juicy stuff, as soon as the word 'debate' and the name 'Roger' are in the title, thousands of views start pouring in :D

[@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593]

1:45 The reason nobody's spending Bitcoin is due to Gresham's Law. Roubini is an idiot even for a layman, let alone a self-professed "economist".

[@wethepeople5979]

This guy's super sour because he bought the 2017 top! Roger whether you like him or not speaks from freedom perspective the old man we'll .. Slave perspective. And he wants everyone to remain a slave just like him and will do everything in his power to stop your freedom.

[@MrHarumakiSensei]

Ha, I think you're probably right. That would explain the anger and constantly harping on about the drop since the end of 2017.

[@cheozuka]

Can't wait to see this debate in another 10 years 🤣

[@cpx7002]

can't wait to see your comment in 10 years then haha

[@cheozuka]

@@cpx7002 yep! I'll still be here involved in crypto :) and I'm sure Roubini will be crying wishing he'd set up that wallet!

[@young-ceo]

Roger Ver killing it, thank you Roger!!!

[@kamranfrancois8145]

Do you want to live in a world where a criminal can send money cross borders without any control? That's what Roger wants. I personally don't want that.

[@young-ceo]

Kamran Marwah oh here is the news: Bitcoin doesn’t care about your opinion 😂

[@MrHarumakiSensei]

@@kamranfrancois8145 Ohh, wait. You're just copying and pasting the same comment everywhere there's a chance to have a go at Roger. I didn't know people were still getting paid for that.

[@truthmonster3290]

Kamran Marwah Innocent people can do anything they want with their private property. It is our human right. LE must focus on the criminal and crime only, not the tools innocent people use in their daily lives. I use knives to eat steaks and it has nothing to do with murderers who use knives to kill. Get it stupid?

[@truthmonster3290]

Kamran Marwah aml and kyc are unconstitutional. we the people will crack down on our terrorist government, not the other way around. you are confused about human rights.

[@luke-bookbear]

All I heard from Nouriel Roubini were straw man arguments, ad hominem attacks and anger.

[@johnmartinstv]

Great job Roger! Roger always was open minded and listening his opponent and try to help him to understand what he had to share with him but he was just close minded. Best regards and keep up the great work sharing more economical freedom to the world!

[@esmechin1939]

Thats what I call a bigot how on earth did he become a professor if I were his student Id run to the hills

[@djBlindFaith]

He’s a dinosaur lol

[@AKBitcoinArt]

All professors 50+ are the same like him all over the planet. After there generation, hope we manage to build a better place.

[@Chris153758]

Most of the professors that I had were self-important wind bags who would swear that up is down and black is white, and then expect all the students to nod in agreement. Very few of them have any shred of intellectual integrity.

[@kamranfrancois8145]

@@djBlindFaith What dinosaur. He has a better grasp thn you last i checked

[@kamranfrancois8145]

@@AKBitcoinArt Idiots negating knowledge as if it never happened. Do you believe the earth is flat??

[@barkingbandicoot]

Wow, some guy who has two modes; grumpy or aggressive on repeat, "We have laws!" and cherrypicking data without context!

[@jaspir.]

Wow...this guys is so naive! Thanks for sharing!

[@theblackinvestor3990]

WHY IS THE MODERATOR DEBATING FOR ROGER. LMAO

[@scythiankitchen1309]

Why is nouriel so angry? Why do so many established banks actively try to suppress crypto? Does nouriel think the nobel prize in economics is valuable? I think hayek won that prize. He believed in a free market for currencies. That is what crypto brings

[@scythiankitchen1309]

I was thinking, his arguments were: terrorists and criminals use it, crypto has lost 95 percent of its value from ath, no one uses crypto, and all crypto transactions are on exchanges. That was it!! So if no one uses it then terrorists, criminals and exchanges count as no one. Leaving the ath argument which is super narrow in scope. What state educational institution pays this guy?

[@taojones4941]

@@scythiankitchen1309 Exactly

[@keuba1]

Grandpa Roubini again missed his pills in a morning. Poor dude.

[@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593]

1:45 The reason nobody's spending Bitcoin is due to Gresham's Law. Roubini is an idiot even for a layman, let alone a self-professed "economist".

[@DizeezerV]

@@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593 Exactly!! Gresham's law applies here.

[@JaimeWarlock]

Watching Roubini getting triggered by the idea of people sending money across borders without government oversight was priceless. It shows how he sees everyone as just serfs to their individual countries. The idea of people being free is anathema to him.

[@kamranfrancois8145]

Do you want to live in a world where a criminal can send money cross borders without any control? That's what Roger wants. I personally don't want that.

[@JaimeWarlock]

@@kamranfrancois8145 Yes, I want everyone to be in charge of their own money, regardless of their beliefs. If someone commits a real crime, then punish them for the crime. We don't need to prevent a hundred people from living their life to stop one criminal. BTW, crypto is already out, you can't destroy an idea, Pandora's box has been opened. People are already gaining control of their own money. The world is changing. My point about Roubini goes beyond money, he wants everyone to continue to be serfs to their government.

[@kamranfrancois8145]

@@JaimeWarlock Do you know what liberty reserve is? Please, please google it. It was far more "decentralized" than bitcoin is today, yet 40 government's took it out in A SINGLE DAY. You can choose all you want to say bitcoin is "a pandora's box away from government's reach" YOU ARE WRONG. AND YOU AR STUPID FOR BELIEVING THAT

[@kamranfrancois8145]

@@JaimeWarlock I don't know where you live but probably europe? Just a guess

[@kamranfrancois8145]

@@JaimeWarlock Who said it was a real crime?? You just said we don't believe in law anymore... Stupi anarchist fucks cannot go to the end of their own arguments

[@maxwell10206]

Say what you will but I find Roubini hilarious. I love when he trash talks using the word "shitcoin". My favorite part is 17:04. He tells Roger it took 100 years for the U.S. dollar to collapse 95%. It only took 1 year for your shit coin to collapse 95% LMFAO that was a good burn not gonna lie. I love BCH tho so no haters please.

[@veee4vendetta]

One of the debaters is scared shitless of the "state". "The measure of the state's success is that the word anarchy frightens people, while the word state does not." - Joseph Sobran “When law and morality contradict each other the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his sense of morality or losing his respect of the law.” - Frederic Bastiat

[@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593]

5:15 The minute Roger won the debate. Should've done a mic drop.

[@TOOkPOK]

Stalin also thought that 20 millions of people is nothing .

[@postulation]

Roubini is comparing a horse & cart to the blueprints of a car ;)

[@cypher4689]

Robini gave me a headache 🤕 Great arguments Roger 🤓

[@dtobert]

Roub;ini, as a representative of the old system, eerily reminded me of Kruschev pounding the podium with his shoe: "We will crush you".

[@shinzinh0]

this goes to show that someone who teaches at a university school of business, whos an economist means nothing. Roubini was closed mind, argumentative & didnt make any valid points only to shout sh&tcoin this .. sh*tcoin that, no ones using it ... very disappointing. thank you Roger for continuing to be an ambassador for BCH & for all crypto-currency.

[@truthmonster3290]

Shin Hatazawa this is exactly why there should be separation of government and education. roubini is incompetent and he's a documented racist leeching off tax money

[@blixx87]

Roubini looked so pissed as he left the stage hahahaha

[@tomsettles6873]

Rouhini is totally correct. Bitcoin, etc is not a currency. You don't need a $9,000 token to safely send money across borders. Paypal does that already. Sending money in an unregulated fashion is just stupid and you're asking to get ripped off, just like 95% of people who have invested and been scammed or ripped off. Nice !

[@ciao934]

this aged like milk

[@tomsettles6873]

@@ciao934 you're right! But it seems like Bitcoin has become a collectible and not so much a form of payment. I should have hung on to the #1 Spiderman I owned at age 12.

[@ciao934]

@@tomsettles6873 there are others you can use for fast and cheap payments. This guy was paid by Banks. Cryptos value is obvious to everyone

[@LeonOcean_]

I like the way Roubini pronounces shitcoin :D

[@uria702]

I love it

[@erniejazz4526]

fiat not criminal? weird

[@robertdavis9986]

they need to dress up as clowns...it will have more merit.

[@davidl.1991]

Hahaha what happened now ? Nouriel rocks !

[@caleb2242]

We don’t need cars we have horses! Millions of people use horses and only a couple people have cars. 1900s

[@MrHarumakiSensei]

@winning Really? That's a fun fact. Is it just because the population as a whole went up?

[@liiskoraine9011]

What a lovely and constructive debate

[@TechnoCoManCHE]

Lol 99% of fiat transactions are just speculative too, otherwise how could the Financial Markets transfer more than the world's whole GDP EVERY DAY???

[@Rucuz]

Roubini is right on many things. However EOS will scale past VISA and transaction eliminate fees,. Stable coins like PAXOS, DAI and USDC are currency. Lastly adoption will occur because it will be in their financial interest, Celsius and the carry trade based on interest rate differential will drive this. Digital Identities using 3rd party KYC and zk snarks or can weed out bad actors without compromising privacy. Finally bancor and Ox will enable seam less transfer of value in the backend to anybodies preferred currency.

[@jsctoken]

Roger for the win!

[@yhmoyyewhon6225]

roubini is not a tax evader but a question evader

[@k7gixxer1000]

Roubini's debate points are ridiculous, @40:15 he argues about needing a Coke-a-Cola coin to buy a coke and a Pepsi coin to buy a Pepsi when crypto doesn't work like that, they're closer to fiat where you need less Bitcoin to buy a Coke than XRP just like you need less U.S Dollars to buy a coke than Japanese Yen.

[@chefalbino]

1973 usd was 4.375 swiss francs today its 1.004 swiss francs that is down of 4.35 x i think bitcoin can do better

[@chefalbino]

that is the wikipedia-chart upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/USD_rate_to_CHF.svg/2880px-USD_rate_to_CHF.svg.png

[@yuong1979]

I like Roger Ver, he makes good points and he is a pioneer in the space but he gets childish at times.

[@MrHarumakiSensei]

Well, the other guy did keep saying Roger lost money in crypto.

[@CryptocurrencyTheory]

25:41 is freaking awesome!

[@javiervaldeperez9752]

Roger Ver is such a good advocate for cryptocurrencies. He really has valid points that Nouriel refuses to address by sticking to his old chestnut. Nouriel doesn't even listen, only delivers his rant. It's a pity for hardcore Bitcoiners that Roger chosed BCH over BTC.

[@kamranfrancois8145]

So we should allow sex traffickers, money launderers and drug lords send money cross borders if they want to? Is that what you stand for? I am genuinely curious.

[@markose]

@@kamranfrancois8145 sex traffickers, money launderers and drug Lord's have been using the US dollar for decades , lot of governments and various other entities are involved those nefarious activities you speak of . Take for example Jeff Epstein, does that ring a bell or you are just plainly ignorant

[@javiervaldeperez9752]

@@kamranfrancois8145 Hi genuinely curious guy. Then just ban the US Dollar and switch off the internet, since these sex traffickers, money launderers and drug lords are already using it.

[@javiervaldeperez9752]

@Baron von Pfaffenhofen Exactly. But I think he's too focused in day to day payments (groceries, paying coffee and stuff), and the main use case of BTC as today is Store of Value / savings technology. Therefore both coins are complementary. You don't want to be the next guy spending 10,000 BTC for two pizzas. As a replacement of gold as SoV, BTC is in my opinion much well positioned. And if you take a look at the lindy effect chart, SoV is just a first step to become full global money. I agree that BTC, BCH, LTC, Dash, etc can co-exist but history show us that network effects count and winner takes all (as with gold) might also be a possible outcome.

[@truthmonster3290]

Kamran Marwah I am not going to lose my rights because sex traffickers exist. one has nothing to do with the orther. LE must do their job WITHOUT trampling my rights because I'm not doing anything wrong. the fact a university professor does not comprehend this simple concept shows government schools do not work.

[@Aztech55]

This didn't age well for Roubini😂

[@USAhealthInsReform]

It’s not over yet

[@peterlehocky88]

really? let's see what 2023 brings in for crypto :)

[@ManishMishra-mv5fp]

See it now! Prophetic.

[@MrEli6389]

6:00 min. Booyahhh!! Thanks R. V. 🙏

[@PleaseShutUpNowDude]

Roubini looked like he needed to check his blood pressure

[@davidelmes5184]

Been saving my spare £££ in btc for years....NOTHING could give me that return......NOTHING

[@luisgarcia639]

Roger Ver=Boss 😎

[@shabzareef]

Great job Roger... BCH for the win!

[@falkobalko9006]

we are seeing an old man who holds onto the past and we see a young man fighting for the future

[@kamranfrancois8145]

Do you want to live in a world where a criminal can send money cross borders without any control? That's what Roger wants. I personally don't want that.

[@falkobalko9006]

@@kamranfrancois8145 sir,i understand where you are coming from but its not like criminals were not sending money around the world before bitcoin. they did all the time with US dollar. most illegal transaction world wide is with US dollar. you are right when you say that criminals are participating the bitcoin system but they also take part in our traditional system. the question is, which of these systems is better for the good people, like you and me...and by the way, bitcoin is extremely traceable...there are no anonymous transactions on the bitcoin blockchain...and most big exchanges require KYC from their costumers and they track their transactions...

[@kamranfrancois8145]

​@@falkobalko9006 The biggest exchanges like binance and bitmex and the others? Just so you know, they are NOT complying with international KYC standards. If you have different info please share and link, would love to know more.

[@kamranfrancois8145]

@@falkobalko9006 Yes all illegal activity happens in USD. Why should we take crypto as the same shit as USD. It is precisely to TRACE that bitcoin was invented. It is so that people cannot pull off scams. It is so people can live in a scam-free society. So we can achieve true potential as humans. But no. All you see is MY LAMBO WILL BE ABLE TO FLY ME TO THE MOON!!!

[@falkobalko9006]

@@kamranfrancois8145 im sure we can find examples for both sides...coinbase,binanceUS and bybit for example have KYC and yes,maybe bitmex doesnt...im not on there...my point is,that this should not matter...why would you pass on something beautiful like bitcoin,only because of bad players participating as well? thats like saying you dont want to live in paradise only because you found out its for everyone and not only for those who lived a faithful life

[@sommi888]

🧡💛💚💙 Thanks to the internet, this video can be spammed to his twitter feed when we break the $20k all time high 🧡💛💚💙

[@fib6156]

Ver needs to shout and to work the audience to make his points. The smile is also not suitable and not respectful to his counterpart who was brave enough to enter the den

[@willjack4719]

The guy has no experience of using any kind of crypto, what's the meaning to debate with him?

[@euclideszoto997]

Roubini is one of the most brilliant men in economics. He is genius on how money works. We can learn so much from him. The one problem is that they become so powerful that they had total control of people's money. His views are pragmatic. However bitcoin has come along and now people can get control of there money back. Roubini's views on bitcoin should not be ignored. If we stop learning then bitcoin will die. We are talking about money.

[@sommi888]

@@euclideszoto997 -- 🧡💛💚💙 No he's a "genius" in how money "used to work". He's the fucking taxi driver telling you that Uber will never catch on 🧡💛💚💙

[@annak29]

The Closed Captioning was TERRIBLE - the debates should have a sign language interpreter on stage for this important debate, JMHO

[@hoastbeef1202]

Roger Ver may not be the hero we wanted, but against Roubini, Roger is the hero we got...

[@georgemarcotte]

inflation you keep using that word I dont think it means what you think it means. 2% what planet do you live on?

[@eltiganielsayedmahmoud6227]

nice

[@JeffSchreiber99]

This isn’t the forum to address what I’m going to share with you. I caught the crypto buzz 5 years ago and what a ride it’s been. The last 4 have found me involved with a grassroots project that basically dissolves everything Roubini is objecting to. We are just about to open our doors to the public and hopefully in due time the mainstream. So if you want to hear about it get back to me and I can tell you more.

[@russburton6262]

roger ver good job

[@moonman7967]

How do we access our crypto if our power grid gets attacked?... 🤔

[@tonnypedersen5915]

all you credit cards would stop working as well,that's why you should keep some cash at hand for times like that.

[@MrHarumakiSensei]

Food and water systems also rely on electricity, so you might have more pressing concerns.

[@patrickparrain7999]

Data has a value just remember that!!!

[@yuvalkaufman4822]

People forget that nouriel specialises in crises econmics

[@bobdylan2843]

Kyc and aml is important. Thats why im all in xrp

[@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593]

AML and KYC allow for the state to arbitrarily abuse their power by controlling who can trade what, how much, and when. Without freedom society reverts to a tribal model where money and currency have no meaning whatsoever.

[@bobdylan2843]

DowskiVision MagicalOracle disagree

[@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593]

@@bobdylan2843 #NotAnArgument

[@bobdylan2843]

DowskiVision MagicalOracle im not arguing. Im disagreeing

[@phamnuwen9442]

KYC/AML is total state control of everyone's money in order to catch a tiny minority of criminals. Since economy is how everything in the world is produced, KYC is state control of the means of production. In other words: socialism.

[@dlenlz429]

This moderator is so bad in his job. Hes doing nothing when both just talked in each other, but Roger kept his coolness.

[@gentasvip]

I WANT ROUBINI VS ANTONOPOULOS!

[@Mr_Chuckles]

I think Nouriel was just scared that Roger spotted he had the Bitcoin wallet app installed 😂

[@ali2009tube]

Roger, No one use Bitcoin Cash for buying anything. No one can use it no business wants to use volatile currency and no one want to hold volatile money

[@danieldjayadi2235]

awesome project

[@milanvujic434]

BCH is very stable (when you price goods in BCH)!

[@nysq]

This Roger guy is a real certified huckster and snake snake oil sales man.

[@packageism]

Rou started to lose when he displayed anger and started swearing. Rojer nailed it

[@aboutmyfathersbusiness8324]

Gold is the only true currency. They are both cheerleading for their criminal systems.

[@jennih2443]

Omg he had to say shitcoins every minute to avoid answering any of the questions

[@mr8966]

Roubini has the fastest fax machine in the world. It will serve him well on the road to 2030. If you want to receive a fax from Roubini, you can reach him on his pager.

[@Ben-lp6re]

cc forum is a Very poorly organized venture. Podiums arriving late. Useless moderation. Literally winging it constantly. After the coingeek conferences, this is unwatchable. Roger did do well given the circumstances and shouting match, and I am happy to see him up there. CC forum is so amazingly amateurish considering the location and names it attracted.

[@davescellphone5376]

Not to mention the horrible mischaracterisation of John McAfee's earlier statements. Moderator should be ashamed...

[@matane.5427]

31:11 I live how he argues whilst the word "blockchain" is projected on his face, as if he fails to see what's in front of his eyes. Lol

[@winnalday]

Ummmm, banks launder money too last I recall.

[@citiessportsbar6475]

I wonder how mad he is now at $35,000 cad🎯📈🇨🇦💯🍿🔮

[@dadlord689]

"Why are you scared to try"... And he ask and ask and ask this question. I don't believe that crypto guy has any understanding of outer world and he can't just a scammer. They all are far from being poor.

[@interestingstuffff1225]

Shit coins = thousands and thousands of businesses being started each day and going bankrupt each day all over the world, loosing billions of dollars. This is just business, some last most don't. It is what it is. Same will occur with cryptocurrency. Good job Roger, you killed it. The truth is ugly and glad you are standing up for the better.

[@retrogameplus3838]

All of the people making comments on this video don't exist.

[@marcellograsso2366]

so you...

[@tencizinec9583]

The audio quality is absolutely horrible.

[@townsendmedia]

If "The System " does not provide an adequate economic means of survival for all, then those who are not benefiting from "The System" will discover another way to supplement their economic needs. Example: cigarettes accumulated and traded in prisons and Bitcoin accumulated and traded throughout the World.

[@jackjackal1768]

If Nouriel is right and crypto currencies are not real money, then why can we trade any crypto currency for any fiat currency?

[@mattismase]

I luv to hear Roubini say shitcoin

[@roypratt4253]

#Digibyte $DGB setup a operation in Venezuela last year, donated tablets an had kids taught to use the mobile wallet. How was that not a success ?

[@cointelligencereport8778]

Difficult to believe this guy ever defended a dissertation and ascended to the professoriate.

[@CollosalTrollge]

I cant even read what you wrote so i am way behind in my vocabulary.

[@kamranfrancois8145]

Shut up and share your publications. Tard.

[@kamranfrancois8145]

why don't you go beyond suppositions and actually find out? It would require some work. Will you do it or will you piss off?

[@truthmonster3290]

Kamran Marwah roubini does not understand basic economics and supports government tyranny over innocent citizens.

[@AniishAu]

Roger Ver met his match in obnoxiousness! He appears as charming alongside the Dark Lord himself. I hope he remembers how Roubini's stubborn, repetitive, arrogant and loud demeanor were foregrounded instead of his arguments.

[@rwess]

It's just a superior tool. Roubini should not be afraid of it, and should try it. Traditional economics and its badly-managed fiats seems to need vigorous defending. Why? 😁

[@Claxiux]

Roubini how is your FedCoin doing

[@giorgios3959]

I believe in a very small handful of cryptos guys but Nouriel speaks for the guys in control. Most of the cryptos are shit scams except maybe 10 -15. We shouldn't be delusional he is right so is Roger to a degree.