Best Bitcoin Debate:

[@RealVisionFinance]

TIMESTAMPS: 00:01:19 Opening Statement: Green 00:07:55 Opening Statement: Pomp 00:13:07 Nefarious Activity and Transparency 00:23:26 Who Controls Bitcoin? Should It Be Banned? 00:35:23 Are There Benefits of Bitcoin to the US? 00:46:30 Exposure to Bitcoin in an Unpredictable Future 00:52:19 Can Bitcoin Be Successfully Attacked? 00:59:41 Is Wide Spread Adoption Likely? 01:11:44 Final Thoughts 🔥 𝗚𝗘𝗧 𝟳 𝗗𝗔𝗬𝗦 of Real Vision Premium access & insights for only $𝟭 (seriously!) rvtv.io/RVfor1dollar

[@abc-hi6df]

Mike has a strong bias, but weak analytical abilities.

[@Guywithafork]

Someone mentioned Andreas antanopolis , he would have eaten Mike for breakfast pomp is great but he is more about the asset where as bitcoin and the Genesis block is a direct attack on the banks and we all support it that is why we are investing and getting those around us to do the same .... the current global currency’s are debt based !?!? And can’t get out of that debt ..?? For many reasons Bitcoin is here and we will do all we can to keep it here . Pomp was silly to ignore the Genesis block and why it was created , honesty is needed . This is for our freedom 🔱 the banks and their friends have had many hundreds of years of dominance and war .... this is the last war ! Bitcoin is a fork for society and it’s been decided to be implemented ✌️💚☯️🔱🤿 viva la revolution

[@globi166]

Shame Pomp didn't answer why China is blocking free Internet for its citizens but in not blocking BTC.

[@globi166]

@Andre Anyone wow it's like we both watched different podcast.

[@stevenmartin6271]

it wasnt a guide

[@RobSoltan]

I vote this moderator for all future political debates in addition to financial ones. Fantastic work.

[@aljosanovak3539]

Both participants were respectful, didnt interupt each other even doe they disagree. Moderator was not even needed.

[@danew6014]

@@aljosanovak3539 I would guess the participants behavior would’ve been different without the presence of a moderator

[@ErinLAnderson]

100%

[@billyduff6491]

Notice the type of companies buying Bitcon with their cash versus those buying up their own stock. So we should all sell our stocks and hand over our cash to someone who is selling us their Bitcon? Why are they selling?

[@frontview1]

Rob Solton, I watch your channel all the time bro. Keep it up!

[@palettes]

This dude was a fantastic moderator.

[@austinshaf799]

Yeah he was great

[@testarchitect]

Totally agree. Am very much impressed as well. Wish we would have similar characters in mainstream media.

[@johnstrackjoke2204]

100% agreed. And so was Pomp...

[@sticksandstones3277]

Few debates were I come away respecting all parties involved, high quality thinking

[@kryptoskaos6214]

Astute way of keeping the debaters from losing face and showing higher ground...excellent.

[@garfunky2]

What this had made me do is to look up more of Mike Green's opinion. I love listening to smart articulate people who are against bitcoin. Too many vids on youtube are simply in an echo chamber. It is important to listen to the other side

[@MrRschneider7789]

Except he was lying through his teeth.

[@abrahameldho3688]

In a system where only the wealthy can grow is an absolute non sense. In this system an engineer (myself) need to be a real estate agent or a trader and invest so that my savings don't loose value. It's might be easy for a person like me. But for a person who earns daily wage to eat daily to keep up with their daily spending cannot be expected to do this.

[@griefwnl7641]

Ah yes, it is in fact refreshing to hear someone agree with your perspective isn’t it?

[@jayborn922]

It is refreshing to hear people of different opinions have an actual conversation and bring solid points to the table... such a rare thing today.

[@50kT]

No you're wrong, that's racist. .

[@Architectessentials]

@@50kT LOL

[@jonathanperez8386]

😂

[@GoodFellaHarn]

@@50kT Lol

[@ErinLAnderson]

👏 👏 👏

[@leahcim967]

I’d love to see a Michael Saylor and Mike Green debate.

[@philippe8160]

@Andre Anyone I would say Green is a payed propaganda tool. Question: What is your view on Bitcoin? Answer Green: It is an evil tool used by Iran, Russia and China to sell drugs to American babies and stop us from bombing countries to keep the MIC going.

[@robhumes2]

Mike ate this guy up with objective data that I would have loved to hear refuted, instead of defensive soundbites. I hope Anthony is right because I have a lot to lose, but he's too emotionally fragile to defend. Get Saylor!

[@kyler565]

I would like to see Michael Saylor vs Noriel Rubini

[@damienwins6185]

NO,,, too many analogies for me to handle....

[@mannysykes]

It’s be a blood bath, poor mike.

[@cryptopotimus]

"I don't see China shutting down miners..." Lol that aged well.

[@LukeTeel]

Time hack your quotes man.

[@josephbyrne7864]

That did not age well bro🤣 I laughed out loud at 42min 36sec. I think both are right, bitcoin will never be the world currency however, at the end of consumer capitalism and the ensued subscription based economic system will ensure that deflationary assets will be out of reach for those can't afford to be financially independent!

[@Stentz1]

Ha Ha. These guys will buy Bitcoin at 250000.

[@tmo2798]

@@Stentz1 250 000 yuan, MAYBE. Bitcoin is an obvious scam.

[@Maxi86inAction]

They did it because they have a power crisis, not because they don't like bitcoin.

[@williamnyakatura9670]

Thank you Pomp and Mike. The moderator was excellent. The argument was educative. Thank u Real Vision ....

[@vvolfflovv]

Imagine presidential debates were as civilized as this by even a fraction?

[@nichole2757]

Imagine one where at least one of the candidates wasn’t a narcissistic sociopath lol

[@vvolfflovv]

@TrollMaster Fictitious Fables of Europa oh hey man :)

[@WilliamSchlott]

Mr. Green looked bored even.

[@robryan751]

Yea, but there was a ton of "shade" being thrown. They just sounded civil. lol

[@web2yt488]

Imagine if we had unbiased media period.

[@yazanabdoush7030]

Can't argue with the fact that Mike is really articulate.

[@cryptorio1570]

That's about it.

[@ComstockRoyalty]

Understatement. This is a policy matter and not a money making opportunity. Anonymous outsourcing of finance and banking? What could go wrong??

[@marktube5732]

His ideas and way of looking at things are a bit weird.

[@Nico-zw9ud]

@@marktube5732 At least he's not as bluepilled a Pomp

[@Drizzly_Bear]

My favorite articulation of Anthony’s: “Mike likes to use sleight of hand and insults when he’s backed into a corner. I’m not like Mike and I’m not going to do that. And I DO know technology and how it works, because I was once employed by a tech company.” My ex-girlfriend used to work for JetBlue as an IT manager. She didn’t know a thing about jet engines. I once worked for an architectural firm. I was the janitor. Would you like me to design your next house?

[@TheBanterCity]

Timestamp Summary 01:25 - Background & Opening 7:00 - BTC is Anti-USD? 12:30 - Should we ban BTC? 17:10 - is BTC China controlled? 23:00 - Mike rebuttals 52:00 - 51% Attack on BTC 59:00 - 1% exposure vs CBDC/Gold 01:05:00 - BTC is Monopoly game Some timestamps got deleted while editing, sorry.

[@skym399]

Thank you!

[@zans3658]

Fantastic debate. Enjoyed the passions of both guests. Less personal attacks would have been more civilised.

[@spenser6353]

Pomp schooled him

[@OldManNutcakez]

Bitcoin maxis tend to be very emotional, hence the ad hominem attacks arent surprising.

[@newmoney2994]

Thanks for the feedback, for tips, support and guidance on stocks, cryptocurrency and assets

[@koumouts]

Pomp is a turnoff...

[@nishensemble]

@@OldManNutcakez And yet it amusingly all started with a money manager - who is asserting understanding of technology if only to impeach it - claiming someone else (who worked at a technology firm for years) isn't a technologist is the classic ad hominem. Nocoiners tend to become emotional when they're busy implicitly shorting one of the greatest technologies ever created.

[@Cicatka.Michal]

I must say I love the fact, that they actually let the counterpart SPEAK. They take notes and then react in a civil manner. I would love to see this in the politics debate so much! Kudos for all of them!

[@guts2112]

Most of my assets are in crypto but I don’t like how Pomp was being so accusatory and sensational in this debate. He put a lot of words in Mike’s mouth.

[@mariai9549]

yep. I heard the same.

[@macrostheblack2486]

I heard the same. I wouldn't trust Pomp to hold 1 cent of mine.

[@somethingginterestingg4275]

He's very easily triggered by people who don't agree with him. But as I watched more, the other guy was pretty patronizing. So I can't blame him

[@cykablyat1466]

Pomp comes out as a generic story investor who has his entire portfolio in bitcoin and "save the world" kind of investments and gets triggered with people who don't share his same views. Mike on the other hand is just China/Russia/Iran fear mongering.

[@themountain3461]

Mike "I wouldn't trust Michael Saylor but I trust regulators" Green. Smart guy, but hopelessly cynical. Stockholm Syndrome at its finest

[@KiwiMC99]

Great to see adults discuss BIG issues in a calm manner. Well done Mike and Pomp, oh and Ash for keeping it all cool and useful.

[@frankymacf]

Pomp is HODLing so hard he won’t even buy himself a decent internet connection and audio set up

[@kylehustead5930]

Lol

[@MrColeBeans]

🤣 give him a break he just moved to Miami I think

[@miha424]

The hodling is the actual problem with crypto. If there is no trading in long and shorts, bitcoin will experince the same thing that happened to gamestop. Lots of bagholders and they are not going to be the ones who know how markets work. Not everybody can just hodl, what happens when theres no new suckers coming in anymore? A stock needs buying to go up, but it can fall on its own.

[@zitoschouten5068]

Hahahahah

[@micro-emprendimientos.1642]

So freaking annoying.

[@Hugh213]

It’s a rare debate that all three participants are well informed, civil, and have respect for one another. I have shared with everyone I know who are bitcoin and/or gold investors.

[@mickeydrago9401]

No actually Mike is misinformed and I think just making up data

[@mcd5778]

@@mickeydrago9401 what data?

[@gdolven]

aaaaah, I don't know what you were watching. Pomp acted like a child

[@Diabolical3010]

@@quantum_ocean Pomp could not answer the 7 billion dollar question as well

[@ilevakam316]

Mike did a great job, but Pomp did a horrible job. Sounds like he never heard of or thought about the issues raised by Mike. The BTC community is completely filled with people like Pomp. The arguments have changed so much for BTC "Money -> Currency -> Digital Gold -> Store of Value" and now its a "protocol." The psychology of this market is too reminiscent of a bubble to be investable, but its certainly fun to watch.

[@jackw.3978]

Look... every single person I know wants the central bank to stop printing money. So it's not simply about communicating our preferences. They won't stop printing. So our way to communicate is to opt out of the system!

[@bcshu2]

buying precious metals, buying crypto I do not necessarily believe is ultimately opting out of the system. You can't really opt out lest you completely unplug from the system. At best, crypto and precious metals and other vehicles are merely ways to guard ones wealth from the ravages of the system .... not really opting out. You can't, as of yet and it will be resisted strongly, be paid in these forms, to transact in these forms full out. Best you can do is secure your wealth, ideally, redeem it for other forms of currency in order to engage in other transactions. The day may come where one does not need to redeem these alternatives stores of value before preforming basic, standard transactions, but I do not see that day as today. If one wants to communicate their displeasure at the destruction of the dollar, one needs to communicate this with those they elect. Unless this occurs, there is no incentive otherwise to act unless the crash of the system forces action .... and in that case, chances are those elected will not correct for the original error, but will double down on poor central planning and ensure greater future pains. Politicians are responsive to pressure. We see this in Covid. With a recall petition with over 2 million votes, all of a sudden the Governor of California is beginning to 'see' the science which now warrants changes in executive orders. It is funny how science all of a sudden seems to present itself that certain restrictions by government mandate are no longer necessary when the populace applies pressure. Don't wait for the 'right' people to populate the positions which impact us ..... make the system preform no matter who is in those positions.

[@tilus75]

They can`t stop printing now. The system will fail and fall immediately.

[@cryptojosef4035]

So true! Halleluja!

[@ryderbrooks1783]

I promise you they don’t actually want what they’re asking for. It would be a bloodbath

[@gdolven]

Mike is a legend. Last 20min insane

[@GForceimpact]

Outstanding discussion... Extremely well moderated. I'm a Bitcoin investor and 35 year trader. Mike Green's perspective is powerful and necessary. Great job to all three participants!

[@kiwi123467]

Got zil port happy with passive income

[@GDKLockout]

I tend to think of the US gov as the enemy, so even if mike is right, im a moonboy.

[@jaredstevens5382]

I feel like such a fish out of water anytime either of them speaks I get persuaded to their position

[@goranmilic442]

If set of all investors pays certain fee to miners, doesn't that mean investors (in total) will always be in loss? How can investors gain their money back that they lost to miners' fee, other than from other investors?

[@reecebygrave7211]

@@goranmilic442 are you talking in the context of 'investors' being people that hold btc directly?

[@AJFADEYI]

Mike: War is not an economic interest. Military Industrial Complex: Am I a joke to you?

[@ryanharriss7950]

Military industrial complex, probably the single most pertinent factor influencing countries to forsake ethics and morality in favour of economic gain...

[@Garpovic]

Was thinking the same thing...If you've been a professional investor for over 30 years like Mike has, and putting out such an obviously false claim, that makes me take the rest of his assertions with a proper grain of salt.

[@XDarkKalealX]

I don't think he is talking about the war you are thinking of. Probably more of currency war.

[@hell_pike9150]

Am I wrong or isn't literally every single war centered around economic needs

[@jsalva01]

You’re confusing economic and strategic

[@Real_KCHL]

This debate is gold, textbook example of how a mature conversation should be.

[@Nico-zw9ud]

I thought Pomp was kind of childish

[@dualfluidreactor]

Except Pomp evading marks argument and personally attacking him

[@petermatthews2831]

@@dualfluidreactor His basis for every reply was "Well people are buying it!"

[@austinhamilton9444]

Lol mature? Hardly. When you personally bash people in your statements, I wouldn't consider that mature. Saying Micheal Saylor is not someone to accept life advice from because he's invested in Bitcoin is absurd. Especially since Micheal is extremely intellectually inclined.

[@tiffanymay526]

I would say this debate is Bitcoin 😊

[@robertdiggins7578]

We already outsource our monetary system using the"Federal" Reserve.

[@mattb6646]

Self appointed and uncontrolled by countries, Greenspan said it himself, there is no authority to which they report to

[@KiwiMC99]

A (very) private corporation since 1913. Could that happen today?

[@Stewiehleba]

The Fed is created by, accountable to, and under the purview of Congress.

[@mattb6646]

@@Stewiehleba yeah its so accountable that its never been audited and rejects attempts to do so. Not sure where you get your info but it doesn't check with reality

[@robertdiggins7578]

@@Stewiehleba No, they aren't. Alan Greenspan stated that publicly and you can look it up on KZbin. Our government gets to pick the chairman and that's it. It's an unregulated private body and any other influence is feigned. The only thing that Congress could do, to r"egulate" the Fed, is to decide not to use them, completely, by deciding to use our Treasury to print our own money, which was the original intent. We could create our own money, but chose to borrow it, at interest, from a group of private banks.

[@ChintanCG]

The best debate I've seen in recent times.. Will be great to come back to this in 2030

[@cryptorio1570]

Lol! Come back in 5 to 10 years tops. Crypto and bitcoin are NOT going away.

[@JamieBordbar]

That is the only way to settle the argument !

[@tmo2798]

@@cryptorio1570 Right now, Bitcoin is a textbook Ponzi scheme: It has no intrinsic value. You can’t eat it, wear it, or heat your house with it. ... It is not a productive asset. It’s not a factory that produces an item. ... It has zero underlying value. None. ... It has minimal utility. ... Its value is solely derived from the trust that the price will continue to rise indefinitely. ...

[@yancur]

@@tmo2798 Right now, Gold is a textbook Ponzi scheme: It has no intrinsic value. You can’t eat it, wear it, or heat your house with it. ... It is not a productive asset. It’s not a factory that produces an item. ... It has zero underlying value. None. ... It has minimal utility. ... Its value is solely derived from the trust that the price will continue to rise indefinitely. ...

[@jazes8423]

I would like to have a more intellectual no coiner instead of this Mike guy.

[@StromkirkCurse]

Actually not a clickbait title. Both Anthony and Mike are really articulate and calmly discuss their point of views and the moderator actually knows how to moderate properly. Didn´t expect to see such a simple yet brilliant discussion here on youtube, thanks for the upload.

[@robs2579]

The debate was moderated professionally yes, but pomp was absolutely terrible at defending himself, insulting Mike emotionally and could not remain levelheaded either.

[@withoutwroeirs]

Pomp attacks Mike rather than his arguments. That is a shame. Mike made some solid points which would benefit us all to explore rather than ignore.

[@MB-hi2ef]

Absolutely right, Pomp made it personal- big disappointment--

[@anthonycarrillo16]

Exactly, “I lIkE tO ExPlIn ThInGs tO PeOpLe lIkE ThEyRe 3Rd GrAdErS” Pomp simply believes that Bitcoin is the ONLY crypto currency out there, why are there no discussions about Alts being superior to bitcoin? Bitcoin played a role to introduce us to Crypto and have these conversations about future of finance, but it is definitely not superior to other projects. First bitcoin is going to uproot evil banking system, now bitcoin is going to moon because banks and politicians own it.

[@eddyfreddy4277]

@@anthonycarrillo16 Bitcoin does have all the problems mike pointed out but plenty of alts don't and have inherent value to the world everyone can see.

[@rustyfoot7]

@@anthonycarrillo16 Bitcoin is the only decentralized non-fiat crypto there is...that's why it's superior to alt coins which are all centralized to some degree. Bitcoin has value for its fundamental attributes...not what Mr. Market says the price is in terms of fiat dollars.

[@mariai9549]

agree. might Mike know someone at NSA?

[@4183Johnny]

I expected a lot more out of this to be honest. I am a big Pomp fan but he failed to address on merit many of the "facts" brought up by Mike. Instead he kept on talking about his vision for bitcoin or repeatedly stating how misinformed Mike's vision was, without really stating why.

[@ivanai6622]

I'm not that surprised. Pomp is a smart guy but still pretty young and def part-PUMP.

[@businesspartners619]

He had to dumb it down for Mike.

[@sebastiandaniel1099]

I thought he did a great job discrediting mikes ideas. Pomp offered facts mike offered only his opinion

[@themomentalist]

I’m glad you acknowledged how bad at debating that Pomp guy was. All he did was claimed the other guy was saying things that he never said and then swerved every question put to him. His smug arrogance was very off-putting, as well.

[@forresthopkinsa]

@@businesspartners619 Dumb it down for Mike? Mike offered sophisticated technical criticisms of the Bitcoin blockchain, and Pomp couldn't even respond to it, with the excuse of "making the debate understandable to a 5 year old". what??

[@BlergleslinkVettermoo]

Although this debate is indeed civilized and well-moderated, I must say that Pompliano is not really engaging Mike Green's specific arguments. Instead, he is destroying a strawman of his own making.

[@gregoryorr8518]

BITCOIN IS THE ONLY TRUE DEMOCRACY EVER EXISTS IN THE WORLD

[@gregoryorr8518]

Mrs clara

[@thousandaireradio3199]

Wow you really get it

[@ilevakam316]

This is basically every BTC supporter

[@jayhilton5429]

Incorrect. He is saying that despite ANY argument against bitcoin, the answer is not to ban bitcoin and leaving america behind... There are plenty of micro arguments, but only one true argument is debatable. Do we embrace this technology, or get left behind?

[@InvestGlobal]

We need more thoughtful conversations like this where both sides can clearly articulate their perspective while not interrupting each other. Well done!

[@simonmasson-dupras3946]

yeah i love it when people who are arguing against eachother sre lisening

[@SOAP1000]

Crypto holder and ill say Mike made some very persuasive arguments.

[@bgbusiness_]

Same. I think he was pretty logical and I did agree some certain parts of his viewpoints although I am bitcoin believer.

[@Tenebrousable]

@@bgbusiness_ Only if you believe that USA government has the right to starve and punish Iranian and NK people by denying them access to international finance and markets. National sieges only reward and solidify those regimes. 70 years of practice stands as absolute proof. There is no reasonable debate left about the matter. The results are in. Get with the program. Logic stands on initial assumptions that the logic can not prove. Internally consistent logical construction is easy to make. Are his assumption correct? He starts from "USA has the right to siege foreign nations." No. That mos def is not correct.

[@maxflight777]

Soap... yes , I felt the same.

[@bahmak2003]

@soap which argument? Care to explain?😂😂😂

[@MassacrisM]

Yep. He just brings up the usual concerns with crypto. All the other guy does is attacking the person instead of the arguments while making none but speculative claims. Comes off more of a crazed cultist.

[@arimichael2499]

HONESTLY THE REAL SUPERSTAR OF THIS DEBATE IS THE MODERATOR. FLAWLESS MODERATION. NO CAP.

[@elbib73]

Mike Green did great composing himself....with all of Pomp’s insults.

[@JorgePerez-ui2qp]

to be fair, they both insult each other.

[@DanielNavetta1]

@@JorgePerez-ui2qp Sure, but it definitely seemed that Pomp went after Green more than the other direction.

[@BestBassTabs]

Absolutely. I couldn’t take Pomp seriously with all the unnecessary childish, passive aggressive digs.

[@ashtagbeats]

I understand no one was yelling over each other or whatever, but people seriously take this guy seriously at all?

[@MrLazyleader]

Pomp has such a childish way of arguing. Too much mud slinging, too few arguments.

[@nathanielbowers8099]

No actual answers you ever notice how a question is answered with speculative theory?

[@wooskie29]

That's because he can't argue the points.

[@johnlocke9609]

In fact I was surprised about that, he didn't mentioned how many billions are needed to reverse the network.

[@gdolven]

amen

[@Elpirado100]

He s a buttcoin shill

[@nohumbug8636]

Let’s talk about the cash that got dumped into the Iraq war and promptly disappeared and the trillions sent to central banks in 2008.

[@mickeydrago9401]

The Genesis block of the Bitcoin Network by Satoshi is now a historical marker of 2008 and the failure you mention...

[@mickeydrago9401]

"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks", That's what Satoshi said on that Genesis block of the Bitcoin network, Not sure he imagined the second far larger wave of quantitative easing in this last year!

[@jedicouncilelonmusk]

Your section of opinion with 2 replies was wisdom I distasteful gained. Sadly grateful.

[@mattz5747]

Pomp has a lot of skin in the game. He doesn’t address many of mike’s points head-on. Bitcoin, at this point, is all about risk management and pomp’s views tend to ignore risk management in general.

[@MrReconjon]

He actually specifically addresses this a few different times in other podcasts. His reasoning is that he's young and capable of recovering even if this bet goes to zero. Can't fault his logic there.

[@G8tr1522]

pretty much how i felt about the debate. Pomp seemed very emotional. We cannot discount the possibility that the US govt will ban bitcoin transactions. It is definitely on the table. Pomp kept saying that Mike was advocating for banning it, when he clearly isn't, especially if you've listened to his other interviews. At the same time, i don't see a world where crypto completely disappears. We need to be ready for when the revolution happens. It is coming.

[@varunsahlot]

@@MrReconjon having 80% in one asset is a bias and affects anything u say. So shuld public take him seriously, I don't think so. He is gambling bcoz he is young and not investing.

[@MrReconjon]

@@varunsahlot I absolutely agree that anyone in any situation should be taken with a grain of salt especially if there is clear incentive for their behavior. That being said making a highly concentrated allocation also shows a high level of conviction at least for the short term from someone closer to the industry than ourselves. Words and actions. Take it all for what you will and make your own choices accordingly. If I were to tell you that I'm 80 percent commodities and producers, 5 percent growth and 15 percent cash would that make me un credible? Or would it just show you how serious I am when I say I'm confident that the system is very shaky and I believe that they are going to inflate or bust. I'd argue that me saying that would be taken more seriously than me being in a 60/40 and saying the same thing.

[@razadaza9651]

@@G8tr1522 the US govt cannot and will not ban bitcoin... it has far too much risk as a democratic republic and reputational risk if they had to do it, they should have tried it (and then eventually have to rescind it) years ago..

[@kevinlavelle2751]

Great moderating Ash!

[@GolfRalle]

Anthony sure did a great job of explaining it to three-year-olds. The rest of us would love to see less scorning laughs and more heavily grounded arguments from Anthony. Great debate, great performance from both although Mike is the clear winner in my opinion, even though I would love to see Anthony prevail here

[@EeccmanNL]

The laughs made me catious of him

[@zombitroid84]

Word!

[@SteveHolmlund]

Early on, he ignored the moderator’s request to explain for laymen what Mike meant by an “empty block” attack, nor did he refute the possibility. I thought a lot of Pomp’s responses were non sequiturs.

[@allaboutmusicmovies9606]

@@SteveHolmlund He just didnt had any arguments

[@alashhar]

Mike was more confident, and his explanations make sense to me!

[@pondweedfilms]

Great discussion - no talking over each other. Excellent content

[@michaelc7302]

Ash was brilliant!

[@frederickfrost6561]

This was a fantastic debate and actually the best anti-bitcoin debater, I have ever seen. He did the best job of anyone so far talking about doubts and real world possibilities of failure.

[@zacharykropidlowski172]

I think Peter Schiff is the best anti-crypto debater.

[@DiiceForeveroO]

One of the more pleasant debates I've seen in a while.

[@SM-sb4tr]

lol this guy Pomp. The fact that you worked as a Product Manager for 1 year in Facebook does not make you a technical figure. To prove that you did not debate the argument mentioning the node attacks, which I found very interesting

[@hannahforex09]

The secret of your future is hidden in your daily routine. Successful people do daily what the unsuccessful only do occasionally

[@hannahforex09]

Successful people don't become that way overnight. What most people see at a glance-wealth, a great career, purpose - is the result of hard work and hustle over time

[@hannahforex09]

The amount of time you spend believing we can't is more than enough time to learn how you can

[@selimkurtoglu6418]

@@hannahforex09 yeah! I agree with you

[@selimkurtoglu6418]

People come here with the aim of chasing money more than knowledge and that will damage your progress, trust me. Chase knowledge first and I promise! The money will follow you just like it's following some of us now

[@patrickcollins5902]

@@selimkurtoglu6418 that's very correct sir!! And that is why most of them end up losing they money to scammers

[@Hero_my_Hiro]

I hope you do a follow up interview 20years from now.

[@inCARSONate]

20? How about 2...

[@ryanbruh752]

When bitcoin is exposed as a ponzi. China had 40% of bitcoin stashed away from the beginning. Haha

[@gilkennedy7638]

Only 3 years from now would be interesting

[@se6586]

@@ryanbruh752 wait till you find out what percentage of us bonds the Chinese own

[@ryanbruh752]

@@se6586 the fed put a floor on bonds and the Chinese are selijg into it. That's why we have qe infinity

[@johnfehringer]

Ash Bennington is by far the best interviewer for complex subjects. All the pieces he moderates on Real Vision are top class. I re-upped my subscription to RV to follow his series on Crypto.

[@wcoyle08]

conversation between adults is nice compared to the usual arguement

[@jays7318]

Mike Green is so emotionally uninvolved in this debate. Amazing resilience

[@kealgu]

Exactly. To me, once you start attacking your opponent, you have lost...

[@HS-nf7tf]

In all my years of watching him on Real Vision this is completely standard behaviour from him. He's naturally just very stoic.

[@jsalazar92092]

@@kealgu Mike did attack pomp several times, he just did it with a poker face

[@Lex_Fur]

i was looking for a comment like this lol

[@Guayubino]

One of the bests debates I've witnessed, regardless of subject.

[@AlexHawker761]

Both these guys made their points well! Great debate. I vote for Bitcoin!

[@paulbrooks65]

Might be the best debate I have heard on any subject. Both were respectful of the other, did not interrupt and shared their message with passion. Because of the above formula, I learned from both debaters (while being firmly with one side).

[@romancasillas2123]

Couldn't agree more!

[@BurhBurhBurh]

Pomp was not respectful, putting words and claims into Mike's mouth.

[@MacBlackMusic]

One of the best debates ever. It is one of the best reasons to suscribe to RV. Congrattssss!!

[@beautifulheartsoothingreci28]

If Pomp had been a little more respectful and a bit less emotional it would've truly been the perfect debate on this subject.

[@orsonvega8516]

Pompliano owns this. China ban El Salvador adoption Gold going down More rational and visionary arguments Great debate.

[@ytwanderer1]

China banned miners 3 months after this debate in June 2021. Gold is at all time high currently in 2024.

[@876pips]

What price do yall think btc will top out this cycle? Im thinking 160-200k

[@thomasgeissler4453]

0

[@hetman3196]

200k by October

[@nicholastemplebrown]

113k

[@maxilopez1596]

More or less what I'm thinking

[@First.Last.99]

98k

[@PaulSyng]

Mike is unfazed by all the jabs. Guy is a boss!

[@MrPhilofthefuture87]

A boss who is going to have fun staying poor.

[@Nico-zw9ud]

Mike is way smarter than Pomp. Pomp is so bluepilled it hurts.

[@robs2579]

Mike is richer than pump pomp

[@PaulSyng]

We need more discussions like this. Both guys are very well spoken!

[@smartmoney7374]

Why did Real Vision cut Mike off without finishing his question?

[@ihungchou]

I've seen both this debate and the Saylor vs Giustra debate and it was interesting to see how different and informative the two debates were. Mike is very well-spoken, very cultivated, civilized and not easily provoked, whereas Pomp was rather disrespectful and made attacks personal by employing words like ridiculous, absurd and hysterical in discrediting Mike's beliefs, and smirked rather frequently. It felt more like he was looking for an argument rather than a debate. One enlightening thing that he said however was how the stock market is actually lower than it was way before if we priced it at the value of gold. Moderator also did a great job keeping the heat at bay. Really insightful show overall.

[@riishell]

The only thing of interest that Mike mentioned that I had to research is the st. petersburg paradox. Mike's arguments just didn't make logical sense to me. Is there risk in investing in bitcoin? Yes, but there seems to be much less risk in bitcoin than there is risk in not putting store of value in bitcoin.

[@jcantonelli1]

Mike saying that Bitcoin's probability of long-term success is "infinitesimal" was just ridiculous.

[@etishbite456]

Bitcoin was not to be a store of value it was meant for P2P transactions. Plain and simple the Fed's control BTC, he who control's the liquidity control's the game.

[@jcantonelli1]

@@etishbite456 "was not to be" - says who, you?

[@etishbite456]

@@jcantonelli1 Go read the BTC white paper it was meant for p2p transaction but that failed, so the SOV narrative took footing.

[@Alistair]

@@etishbite456 wait so you can't do transactions on BTC? Guess I'd better go delete the ones that I did fictional edit: oh, turns out the blockchain is immutable

[@shannon-daygrant8754]

I love an argument that is fundamentally civil but contains enough reciprocal barbs and subtle personal hostility to make it interesting.

[@expandingspirit3652]

Nicely put.

[@adox8574]

Really ? I hate it. If your going to be hostile and take jabs at people have a spine and do it bluntly. Taking passive aggressive jabs is weak and spineless. I have zero respect for people who behave that way.

[@RokSlana]

This is the best pro et contra debate on bitcoin to date. Absolutely brilliant.

[@leofiskars]

Anthony focuses too much on putting words into Mikes mouth, makes him look weak.

[@franknitty3000]

Agree

[@EeccmanNL]

Agree

[@blackrhino44]

Because he is weak.

[@vildachaya6462]

Lot of projecting

[@TripleEightss]

yeah even though anthony is right, he just chose the wrong way to go about the debate.

[@beetee4295]

Excellent world class debating. The clear winners are the listeners walking away more informed and well rounded. Would love to see more like this. My take Pomp struggled to keep his emotions in check. Mike was as cool as ice. Both very knowledgeable and articulated their arguments well.

[@franknitty3000]

Agree. I don’t know much about the crypto space (yet) but i feel Pomp is struggling to play defence. Guy on the right is clealy just analising the data with a pretty level head. Its important to be critical.

[@bradleyperryperry5072]

We work for years only to have $1 million while some people I know put thousand of dollars in some meme coins and they are millionaires.

[@jameskourygabriel4973]

Growing in trade requires dedication time and Patience

[@jameskourygabriel4973]

I have been holding for a while now, the market dynamism is really getting me uncomfortable here, I really need help deciding

[@uzonduikechukwu1226]

James koury...Take my advice (Don't Trade) buy or hold for years then get retired. You don't want all the stress and crazyness involved in trading. Don't believe the is formula.

[@uzonduikechukwu1226]

Get yourself a mentor or a guide

[@chrisarmstrong36]

Can she trade for me from Mexico

[@hagbardc623]

I'm going to say Mr. Green is the winner here, IMO. mostly because of his unflappable nature in the face of silly, nonsensical attacks by Pomp. Also Green raises important points about cyrptos vulnerability to regulation and taxation as well as more.

[@Thomasalbertini]

Despite being on Pomps side, I agree. But rather than having proven his arguements right, Mike just proved to be unmatched as intellect and knowledge. He should have debated someone more knowledgeable in the matter.

[@kennethli8]

Pomp kept on using theory and barely any facts.

[@etishbite456]

@@kennethli8 he's a cheerleader

[@edmc2]

Deeply appreciate hearing this .. I am a crypto holder, but I would surprisingly say Mike won this discussion ... the discovery and journey continues

[@riazabdulganivayani8384]

I agree, I too am a crypto holder, and mike has got me thinking.

[@anuzis]

Not so much that Mike won as Pomp lost. Never been impressed with Pomp's reasoning in prior talks and hesitated to watch this due to low expectations he met again.

[@georgelucero7709]

Is Mike's full response edited out at 34:42? Sure seems like something was cut there.

[@s.y.b.1046]

That was I very solid and gentlemen’s debate !! Congratulations to everyone!

[@WJohnson1043]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Bitcoin can withstand a denial-of-service attack in the form of its network being flooded by empty transaction blocks because miners can choose which blocks they attempt to mine. Since the difficulty of mining a block is constant at any given time, empty blocks will be given the lowest priority because they have no transitions fees. This will probably result in empty blocks being ignored.

[@salvadordiaziii2490]

Im really excited about blockchain technology but we need people like Mike to address possible concerns. Does anyone else see flaws with crypto/blockchain?

[@eerotiitus9817]

Super show. I like Pomp last though, let market/people show how all this will end. I think that best for everybody!

pomp was totally unprepared to the debate with this guy ..

[@bhupeshbansal6474]

Pomp came across as a bully IMO. His take on wealth inequality is completely off and bitcoin is NOT going to solve it. Money laundering using dollars is understood, using bitcoin not so much, dont think Pomp addressed that. He quietly ignored that whole point, maybe its too technical. Would like to hear more on that.

[@shawngarrett1128]

Robert Kiyosaki says, “ there’s 3 sides to every coin; there’s a head, a tail, and a edge. True learning occurs when you stand on the edge and see both sides.” This video displays that 100%. Thanks RealVision!

[@minuswill]

...satoshi said: i have not the time to convict everyone... / time will tick off

[@syzygysyzygy8332]

Convict? Freudian slip much?

[@disruptiveinnovationinform35]

The leader not the lacker.old thinking is dead.

[@disruptiveinnovationinform35]

Globalization isnot about division

[@dso1017]

Anthony did a real discredit to his position by relying on so much rhetoric

[@francoisschneegans8881]

Amazing debate, one of the best I have watched on the topic. Thanks guys! I give it to Pomp, Mike had great arguments, but less great counters, Pomp had both in my view.

[@Purnama1008]

Awesome debate. Mike has realistic points. He reflects his experience and wisdom. US dollar will not allow to lose its reserve currency status. That is why China and Russia are heavily leveraging it. Long story short. Thank🍁you Mike.

[@fast800man]

Pomp may be right or he might also not be. Not what I ultimately saw. Green clearly was the more polished debater and kept ruffling Pomp’s feathers without even trying. Frustration was oozing from Pomp’s screen. His lack of composure hurt his credibility. Also, who invests over 90% of their net worth on a speculative asset? He’s all in and not hedging for any risk.

[@HenryPaulThe3rd]

Honestly I couldn’t not take him seriously after he said 96% of his net worth is in crypto. That’s just insane.

[@saintmte5076]

@@HenryPaulThe3rd if it's 'crypto' then it's not THAT insane (as tech has proved to be the big winner = even in the S&P). What will be insane is if he's portfolio is 96% 'BTC'. That's indeed portfolio suicide.

[@HenryPaulThe3rd]

@@saintmte5076 crypto is digital beanie babies for men

[@saintmte5076]

@@HenryPaulThe3rd lol that ppl are making whole salaries off. Some that are persistent become millionaires within a few years. I've worked a 9-5, invested in stocks etc so if crypto is digital beanie babies then someone please feed me some hahaha

[@mochatradez1748]

Great debate. I know they got a bit tense with each other, but kept it classy and explained clearly their respective views. Well done gentlemen.

[@AmitDangerPatel]

Loved this. Was a savage, yet respectful debate

[@davidoconnor1773]

Mike Green: Has facts, articulate thoughts, deductive reasoning Pomp: You are wrong because i FEEL like you're wrong!! BTC 1 milli by 2025, you DON'T think there's at least a 1% chance of this?!!

[@JaimeWarlock]

I think Mike doesn't really understand the full nature of decentralization though. It isn't just decentralization of miners, but decentralization of protocol resulting in altcoins. We have already witnessed this defense in the Bitcoin Cash community when Craig Wright tried to take over the network with superior hash power and resources. I do agree that Mike Green seems to understand the technical and political aspects better than Pomp, so he wins this debate in my view. However, I still disagree with Mike for reasons not brought up in the debate.

[@Diabolical3010]

@@JaimeWarlock what is the answer to the 7 billion dollar quesion?

[@leofiskars]

Lol, this is accurate

[@michaelleis2509]

What a great debate!! And so well moderated! Thank you!

[@Josh-ls9hn]

Thank you for watching, endeavor to write as soon for more enlightenment or tips w_h_a_t_s_a_p_p +_1 3_ 0_5 -7 _6 _8. - 9.. _ 3_ 0 _9....

[@morongovalley940]

I couldn't take more of Mike Green when he says the NYSE is a legit financial institution. 26:04

[@valerosagroup9698]

Hahahahahaha

[@k98killer]

That's not what he said. He said that the NYSE is an exchange where you trade against a counterparty rather than against the exchange itself. It is a distinction without a difference since market makers still exist in the NYSE and have institutional advantages over the retail trader, so it is still trading "against the house" in a manner of speaking.

[@Sub0x-x40]

not sure why you think this pomp guy is the best guy to debate the merits of btc

[@LukeTeel]

He explains why around 17:59.

[@DocDanTheGuitarMan]

Little substance. Too much emotion and BTC idealism.

[@alan17h]

At 1:08 Mike is stating that in a fixed quantity system, there is no way to add economic wealth to the individual. I would argue that it should not. Advances in technology would add to an individual’s wealth (purchase power) in a system without inflation of monetary units. A person with one unit (Bitcoin, gold, etc) would see the value of their savings increase as technology makes members of society more productive. This is similar to what is explained in The Price of Tomorrow

[@eliking4745]

MIke's a realist : Pomp's an idealist.... there, saved ya an hour and some change

[@grapplerke]

Pomp is a bitcoin maximalist who actually thinks bitcoin will overtake the dollar, when in reality, bitcoin is just an extension of the global USD money supply.

[@prula]

Mike doesn’t understand Bitcoin fully yet. Bitcoin is a better form of Gold and not a substitute for the fiat System. It’s not easy to understand and we shouldn’t be ignorant about the potential dangers that Mike is talking about.

[@grapplerke]

@@prula Which part is he not understanding? He’s discussing the societal, regulatory, macro, and institutional side of bitcoin. These are all areas that bitcoin maximalists ignore. For now, the miners dominate bitcoin and it’s still very slow and expensive and too volatile for any central bank to denominate its currency in.

[@prula]

@@grapplerke For example he doesn’t understand the difference between nodes and miners. He doesn’t understand the decentralized nature of Bitcoin and that a bad actor can be easily detected and thrown out of the chain by the majority of actors who are economically incentivized. You can transfer 100 Billionen worth of Bitcoin around the world with final settlement in 30 minutes for 30 dollars. When Germany repatriated their gold it took 2 years and cost millions of dollars. You are right that Bitcoin is too slow to buy a coffee. Nobody wants to wait 10 minutes until the transaction is settled

[@grapplerke]

@@prula Majority of the mining is already done in China. Theoretically all of the miners could be captured by the state and be enough for a 51% attack. Bitcoin is not as decentralized as you would like to believe it is. And still today, the transactional volume used for bitcoin for actual purchases of goods and services have not gone up from 2017. Bitcoin is more like a deflationary digital gold with a tech growth stock flavor to it. Bitcoin had a chance to become more like a digital currency, however, the miners and OGs wanted to their share to appreciate and for the miners to make a lot from the fees, and that’s why we have the bitcoin we have today. Bitcoin still has more to go up, but the last and late comers will get their butts handed to them and lose everything. I’m posting as someone who’s sat next to all the OG crypto folks and made out a lot from trading crypto. I still hold a little, but institutional money has always been the dumb money in new markets. I’ll be entering bitcoin again after the next combined bitcoin bear cycle and the macro bear market super cycle.

[@esquosi6621]

POMP you should learn to argue without using exclusively ad hominem and straw-man techniques, very hard to watch

[@bt7406]

☠ this whole time i was like 'can people just make rational, non emotive, non pathos arguments EVER?!'

[@Tamra_Bambam]

Completely agree. Anthony came out the gate with his “approach it at a 3rd grade level..as to avoid an intellectual slight of hand”...then proceeds with (as you said) ad hominem and straw-man techniques. This is how 90% of people here in Seattle communicate...about everything..big or petty. I’m so tired of these types of “conversations” and can’t recall the last time I witnessed a forthright discussion. I tapped out of this one at 40 min.

[@timothyevangelista9116]

Agreed his rebuttals doesnt really address the arguments of Mike.. so cringey

[@remizgaillarz7034]

Amazing how dis debate was facilitated - great job!

[@bilbostackins4874]

Saint Petersburg paradox lol basically he said im not falling for your Jedi mind tricks hahahaha

[@jglee6721]

lol. I missed that one, but I will find it.

[@gonzamajster4175]

Excellent work! Thanks for bringing such a high quality content. As investor I still prefere to buy artificially supressed physical gold and silver instead of overhyped and overheated BTC. However I might consider to allocate 1% into BTC, but only during the liqudity event, when everybody is forced to sell.

[@goranmilic442]

If set of all investors pays certain fee to miners, doesn't that mean investors (in total) will always be in loss? How can investors gain their money back that they lost to miners' fee, other than from other investors?

[@anynamewilldo3779]

“War is not an economic interest” 😂😂😂 Has he met the us government??

[@settledown5392]

haha That's how you know he lost the argument. Can't imagine a more dishonest statement from a guy who clearly knows the difference. Not a big Pomp guy, but this was an easy debate to win. Mike Green's argument was basically, "bitcoin is scary"lol. It's no more or less speculative than gold. Any person who follows the two assets knows this. Great debate between two bright men all the same.

[@CaptBill-rj4oe]

@@settledown5392 The dollar is speculative also if you want to be honest. Is it a great idea to be all in on the dollar? Sounds irresponsible.

[@settledown5392]

@@CaptBill-rj4oe Did I say anything about "all in" on anything? Nope. Diversification is always important. That's day one of investing.

[@TheWeastBeast]

@@settledown5392 Settle Down needing to settle down himself. Mike's argument is to think for yourself and consider what the return of this asset could be in Pomp's hypothetical future. Nobody knows and nobody could figure that out.

[@settledown5392]

@@TheWeastBeast I'm perfectly calm sir. That was one of his points he made.....and probably the best. The repetitive stuff about China, Russia, Iran couldn't be more intellectually dishonest though, along with him saying war is not an economic interest lol. Great debate either way, from two intelligent guys..... but Mike looked like an MSNBC shill to some degree here.

[@ll2nycell]

Pomp got you with the monetary policy argument for the individual.

[@mariai9549]

the question is will bitcoin provide an answer globally to building wealth or improving poverty (since he's saying your money and purchasing power is being stolen) any more than the fiat US dollar?

[@salparadise5930]

Absolutely amazing I was unaware two people with opposing views could participate in a grown up conversation and take turns in speaking what a fantastic and informative debate I’m team Pomp all day but Mike had some very interesting views and happy to hear them. It’s a shame we live in a world where the politicians are unable to engage in a debate this way

[@Jay-xr3sb]

Nothing grown up about pomp

[@debraholt649]

I invested in both STOCK and CRYPTOCURRENCIES but I see crypto is doing more better and profitable to me

[@debraholt649]

Bitcoin is an engineered Monetary network. The first of it's kind. A paradigm shift in the history of money. Everyone needs it. We are still early.

[@paulaluis4051]

Stock are crashing bitcoin investment right now will be at every wise individual's list. In a month you'll be ecstatic with the decision you made today.

[@gregorywatson8053]

People will be kicking themselves in few weeks if they miss the opportunity to buy and invest in Bitcoin

[@scottdave2183]

2021 online stock market is just difficult and unbelievable, I rather invest my money on crypto

[@akshats.425]

People are ignorant of profitablity in bitcoin investment and that has been the major issues limiting their investment

[@daviddrybzie8672]

the MC does an incredible job. Congratulations to him

[@elninjaloco]

Great moderator. Mike, great counter points. Trust fund baby / Pomp, needs a debate coach.

[@tmo2798]

Right now, Bitcoin is a textbook Ponzi scheme: It has no intrinsic value. You can’t eat it, wear it, or heat your house with it. ... It is not a productive asset. It’s not a factory that produces an item. ... It has zero underlying value. None. ... It has minimal utility. ... Its value is solely derived from the trust that the price will continue to rise indefinitely. ...

[@brandonderrick006]

By far the best bear case put forward to date. Well done.

[@rgbura]

I mean, all he said was be skeptical and make your own decisions. That could go bear or bull

[@brandonderrick006]

@@rgbura naw he made some valid bearish points unlike what I normally hear from gold lovers.

[@NickM11561]

This is a great debate. Nice to see 2 very different sides just talking.

[@uzairahmed5005]

Why did Pomp get to be the face of bitcoin? He's sounds like a charlatan and got wrecked by Mike Green. Real Vision should get a smarter person to argue Bitcoins case on the level of Mike Green because Pomp is not it

[@Enzo-xh3kr]

He is a charlatan doing for his own benefits. Mike Green is the real pro here.

[@HHTan-ir3fw]

@@Enzo-xh3kr fully agree.

[@thousandaireradio3199]

Pomp got out of his way and let him make a fool of himself. I think he did a great job.

[@Dragonluna69]

Totally disagree. Mike is a smart guy but Anthony won this debate hands down. I've never heard of him but he is 100% right about the future of BTC.