ROUGHING THE PRINCESS should've stayed in drafts

[@ReadswithRachel]

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[@TheLovelyAliP]

You KNOW it's bad when not even booktok wants anything to do with it. 💀

[@alisonmercer5946]

Yeah how come this is not colleen hoover

[@snegluf]

And it’s also bad when bootok DOES want something to do with it 😭

[@jordinagel1184]

@@snegluf Booktok: loves a book Everyone with common sense: “Okay, this is probably trash” Booktok: wants to stay as far away from a book as possible Everyone with common sense: “Okay, does anyone know the name for a tier below trash?”

[@StarberriSanrio]

ONG booktok be thirsty over literal SA and grape and not even they want it

[@booksfrombed]

$7 for something that would be tagged "crack treated seriously" on AO3?? I'm not a fan of real person fanfic, but this is just an extra level of heinous 🤢

[@karmakaughtthekat]

Nah this is some Wattpad type of shit, I've read a lot of "crack treated seriously" AO3 fics and it'd be a disservice comparing those to this

[@worldwidefunnyguy]

well let’s not act like bad ao3 fics don’t exist lol

[@Fauniq]

This feels more Wattpad-esque.

[@rerogreen]

@@worldwidefunnyguy no one said this? they probably just said AO3 specifically bc it's literally one of the largest fanfic archives, not to dunk on any other fanfic platforms

[@kikikalathiasart9510]

@@Fauniq real

[@Luna-po5ui]

"roughing the passer" is a foul in football and "roughing the princess" is what's gonna get me to finally unlearn how to read

[@Dragonshade64]

I mean, the book is foul which technically makes the title the most clever writing in the book in that sense.

[@ephemeraIl]

@@Dragonshade64 pretty fitting title, yeah

[@DayDreamingWriters]

@@Dragonshade64 🤣

[@jofip9199]

Even if the book is trash and creepy I can’t lie that the title is good

[@aeoligarlic4024]

Is it similar to like Tackling the Princess when it comes to soccer?

[@andyenglish4303]

You know if I were Travis Kelce I'd be less offended by the *fact* that someone is writing smut about me and more offended about the fact they portrayed me as a sex-obsessed objectifying douchebag.

[@rubeuspotter719]

This!!!!!!

[@Ndulwa_]

your comment had 87 likes, I’m sorry I ruined it😭 but you’re absolutely right

[@samanthapalker1476]

@@andyenglish4303 positively correct. This author (I hesitate to even call them that) was risking a lawsuit because of the way they portrayed their subjects. I wager that if this was a different country’s society that this would have resulted in a lawsuit.

[@alostkoi]

Should've have stayed as a fic... Why trying to sell it? If you're gonna be weird, just be weird online and for free.

[@ReadswithRachel]

Like bare minimum at least don’t SELL IT

[@scroogemcduckrich9705]

😂

[@scroogemcduckrich9705]

Taylor Swift a billionaire she will take down that writer’s life

[@nancyjay790]

Some things should exist only on fanfic sites.

[@MelanieJeanneSchons]

Full stop. Don’t write about real people at all!! It’s sick!

[@lucycanonical]

Just a fun addition, Ivy Smoak uses a BUNCH of AI in her marketing materials. Just so you know she's got her ethical priorities out of whack in a bunch of ways.

[@DarwinRoger893]

Big YIKES

[@Ranixo286]

She could have just...written about a football player and a singer. That's not an original concept and can still be "inspired by the Swift/Kelce relationship" but this person had to take it sooo much further huh 😅😅😅

[@fbrown9861]

yeah but that takes some level of imagination

[@cawesomewhatever]

There is this person who did write a story that was loosely based on the Travis and Taylor romance. I think there are two books like that but I might just be misremembering.

[@belle14915]

@@Ranixo286 it's also so crazy because when this cam out they weren't even together that long, I think they just added that detail in for more clout

[@seraphonica]

even just the book cover shows how shamelessly basic it is. they could have used "89" to reference Taylor's album 1989, or 87, Kelce's actual jersey number... but instead they went for "69". how basic and boring.

[@connorodum6710]

I mean Mike Pennel (#69 on the Chiefs) deserves some love too

[@dustrose8101]

a 69 that doesn't even deserve the cursory "nice". Now that is truly sad.

[@erikdaniels0n]

“hahahahaha get it?? 69?????”- the person who designed the cover, probably

[@emackenzie]

It's boring but 89 or 87 would have just been more explicit evidence against the author. Maybe a tongue-in-cheek 88 to meet in the middle and play it off, or 79/97. Anything would have shown more effort than 69

[@werehimbo]

do they even 69 in the book? I had to speed past a lot of the sex scenes lol

[@bibliophile2012]

When thinking of the Travis Kelcey stand in you said “Talon last name starts with a K” and my mind immediately said “Kalon. Talon Kalon” and I needed to share

[@jenny5272]

God, why does nobody have a normal understanding of boundaries anymore

[@spagheleton]

unfortunately RPF has been a thing for as long as fandom culture has been a thing :( though it is still very gross no matter what

[@asteridshydrangea-jt2hf]

Weirdos always existed for sure - I remember the horror stories of a Smallville actor being presented with sex toys at a con or something? - but god it really feels like modern fandom allows people to create echo chamber friend-clique spaces that through positive reinforcement embolden and normalize completely boundary-crossing behavior that treats real people like objects. (And I’m not trying to fling those terms around for kicks, outre behavior only receiving praise from friends until you forget other people will not be happy when it breaks containment I think is reasonably called normalization.)

[@Cokepencilpsd]

I blame being constantly online. People feel invincible because they hide behind a screen and can remain mostly anonymous while posting the most unhinged shit. People get too comfortable on here and over share because of that anonymity.

[@leadisterrible]

​@@Cokepencilpsd RPF has existed wayyyy before online communities/being chronically online was a thing tho

[@leadisterrible]

​​@Cokepencilpsd like that shit used to be published in fan magazines lmfao although it was still controversial then

[@leothelion6245]

Tbh I'm shocked she didn't include exorbitant plane flights but I guess that's where she drew the line on realism

[@gideongivesharrowboners]

CRYING OVER THIS THATS SO FUCKING GOOD

[@komomn]

Im not gonna say anything

[@worldwidefunnyguy]

@@komomnthen why comment it literally does nothing

[@komomn]

@@worldwidefunnyguy why not

[@kelvisaisawesome]

@@komomn cause you weren’t going to say anything

[@pmpkn_soup]

the cover is immediately so uncomfortable-the shaky lines, and the deeply disturbing definition on the butt is already weird, but the added 69 on the jersey and the overemphasized pose just makes it all the more deplorable. the hand on her hip looks broken, the arms are noodly and twisted, the hair seems deep-fried and crunchy. i just...i cant. if it wasnt so disgustingly, needlessly objectifying, it would just be plain bad. i know you shouldn't judge a book by its cover, but ...

[@cassiopeia_mori]

also the hands/arms are shaded (in a really weird way too) while basically nothing else is for some reason

[@Ashbrash1998]

Same, the worse for me is the whole pants situation. Like it literally looks like they spray painted "pants" over her wearing underwear. Especially because it looks like you can see the back of her knees. It makes me wonder if originally the art had her not wearing pants or something and they lazily painted some on. The rest of it I could deal with.

[@pmpkn_soup]

@@Ashbrash1998 it seriously looks lile sheer pants over panties. its so uncomfortable to look at, especially knowing its based on a real woman

[@missliv.404]

The art style being bad isn't really a problem for me tbh, you can definitely make a nice cover without much art experience. Just the butt and 69 are making me feel negative emotions

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@missliv.404 The art on the cover looks as rushed as the book is

[@Clovermine]

I don't judge, mostly. Write what you want and I love fanfiction. However, writing about real people always felt weird to me, especially spice.

[@linah1998]

especially since in the past, I have often seen celebs feel awkward when confronted with fan content like that in interviews (like ship art for two actors and so on). It's just so weird

[@ReadswithRachel]

Yeah when it comes to real people that’s when I get the feeling we are crossing lines

[@Heather_Duke]

Exactly. This isn't say...a Zutara fanfiction, where both characters are fictional. This is based off of real people. It's the reason why After made me uncomfortable since it was originally Harry Styles fanfiction and having never read the book or the fic, they really seemed to make him an awful person.

[@Bookishbyjennaavh]

It was so gross and uncomfortable I felt like so wrong reading it because it was so real in how the author compared them to Taylor and Travis.

[@Ceruleansquid-lo3iv]

I also don't like the kind of people who would show people fanfic about themselves. it feels like they're making fun of the writers and the actors

[@shy_swimmer5750]

This is how I've felt about the After series for so many years. It's so disgusting not only for being fanfic based on real people, but also because it romanticizes an abusive relationship.

[@Marie45610]

And those books got movie adaptations.

[@morningglory.2]

@@M.H.I.A.F.T. Yeah, and everyone have a right to criticize those stories. Just because something should be allowed doesn’t mean it’s free from criticism. And if a story is romanticizing abuse, pedophilia, etc, people have EVERY right to criticize it to hell and back for ANY AND ALL societal commentary and effects it causes. Media portrayal of women, children, poc, and many more groups have caused or perpetuated tons of bias and violence, and its completely okay to analyze it and point out all the harm it does. So yeah, we have the right to write what we want. And we have to right to criticize what we want. You can’t argue against censorship of media while simultaneously trying to censor criticism of said media.

[@morningglory.2]

@@M.H.I.A.F.T. Fair enough, I shouldn’t have accused you of attempting censorship. That said, I still stand by my points. As a general rule I think criticizing stuff with (specifically negative) cultural impact is an important aspect of media literacy and consumption, and that stuff with the most cultural impact tends to be what is popular right now. As in, what is affecting cultural and social climates right now. So while I’d be fine to research the impact of early “culturally taboo” content, I won’t go out of my way to do so when more currently relevant works/patterns/trends are right in front of me and I see can more direct impact (and/or harm) from them.

[@morningglory.2]

@@M.H.I.A.F.T. 👍👍Thanks for being actually constructive and articulate! A rare find lol.

[@SilentProti]

See, after was an Au anyway and it doesn't ever refer Harry or 1D in any way, at least I've never heard that, so it totally works as a original story. But the story itself is so bad and boring, they had to market it as harry styles fic to create some engagement.

[@aindrilaroy4464]

I hated the name Tova. And as Rachel was reading, I began to mentally replace Tova with T. Rex. The book became infinitely better.

[@jasminv8653]

Tova and Tove [pronounced more like TOO-VUH] are like... REALLY obscurely Swedish lnguage country girl names i would never have imagined to read in an american football / tswift fanfic horror, yet here we are...

[@marksbae8499]

lmaooo i kept hearing Toba which sounds similar to “repent” in Islam , and that was just so fitting for the whole book, like yeah girl go ask for forgiveness from everyone 😭😭

[@deliahhh]

it's also a hebrew name (and the name of my relative which makes this ~so much more weird~)

[@KysEcstacy]

I have a friend named Tova, which makes it so nasty for me

[@MagmaRiver]

Alas, this is not a Tingler

[@infinitismal]

writing insanely invasive smutty fic of one of the most litigious celebrities out there is so funny. it's well known she trigger happy when it comes to suits so idk how anyone thought this would be a good idea LMFAO

[@naiba8948]

I’m fairly sure that she thought that she would have been special and Swift would have been flattered.

[@samanthapalker1476]

@@infinitismal try to see things from her perspective. She is a public figure and her brand is just her. Calling her trigger happy is kinda overblown and it makes you look a bit bitter. Is she fiercely protective of her image? Yes. Does she have to be? As evidenced by this book and other instances of potentially defamatory statements made against her character, yes.

[@sonjaf5744]

Is anybody else weirded out by how bad this makes Travis Kelce look? Like it makes it seems like he's super controlling and territorial and the he literally only thinks about her body and having sex with her. Like she isn't a person at all.

[@Saphia_]

Yep. I know nothing about Kelce and his relationship with Taylor (by choice, I avoid all celeb relationships as much as I can but I somehow still got parasocially attached--- if that's a phrase--- with Joe and Taylor and I don't want any further heartbreaks from a relationship that isn't even mine). ANYWAY, realistically, I know that's a large chance that Travis Kelce is actually a really good person, in public and in private. Still, listening to what Ivy wrote about him feels just so icky. IDK why these people refuse to write about caring and respectful men.

[@abhainn35]

It reminds me a lot about how After wrote Harry Styles. I know nothing about him, but from what I've heard, he doesn't seem like the type to have violent alcoholic rages, act hyper possessive, and act like a spoiled manchild.

[@the_petty_crocker]

The internalized misogyny of this book is wild. It's so poorly written. It's so vacuous and superficial. Did Wannabe Felicity Smoak write this from the guy's point of view so she could come back later and write "Sexing the Super Bowler (Tova's Version)?" Rachel is a real one, out here in these streets risking her eyesight and sanity to bring us quality content.

[@babyxblue]

She wrote it from the guy's perspective because she clearly has a creepy crush on TS

[@tape-6]

​@@babyxbluewhy r u so intent on the author being a lesbian? like why does she have to be a lesbian to be creepy?

[@Maddog441]

@@tape-6 nah the author deff has a creepy crush on TS. It’s quite evident . Nothing to do with lesbians

[@Jess_talks_book]

Beyond this being about real people, it's really weird to write a romance where one of the people is a celebrity and the other has been in love with the idea of them (the celebrity) for years. It's weird that Talon has fantasized about sex with Tova before he even met her. It makes their relationship feel like fantasy fulfilment for him and not about genuine feelings. Everything about this book gives me the ick.

[@kendrajanelle1996]

Right! I could not believe the part of him telling her, that he fantasized about her while losing his virginity to someone else. That reeks of an unhealthy fixation and the fact that it seems to be completely glossed over afterwards is a choice. A bad one but pretty much all the choices were bad here so

[@kendrajanelle1996]

@@M.H.I.A.F.T. where did I say people can't be like this in real life? And not "vanilla" and unhealthy are not the same thing. Unhealthy relationships do indeed exist but there are absolutely critiques to made if those unhealthy bits are being depicted as genuinely romantic, aspirational, justified or in this case not addressed at all. And the fact that this IS about real people makes this depiction all the worse imo.

[@Saphia_]

@@M.H.I.A.F.T. Imagining someone else (let's call them B) when you're having sex with someone is just disrespectful to the person you're having sex with. I hope people aren't like this irl.

[@Saphia_]

@@M.H.I.A.F.T. I guess I get where you're coming from.

[@bishielurfer]

​​@@M.H.I.A.F.T.the problem is nothing in the book suggests the writer considers it gross, and it's not addressed within the dynamic of the characters. Characters should have realistic flaws. But I don't get the vibe in this story that it's supposed to be seen as a flaw. Also I don't know if "vanilla" was the term you were looking for.

[@rainydayjules]

i've been in fandom spaces for a lot of my life and kinda just accept that RPF is a thing that happens and I really don't like it, but SELLING IT while not even bothering to file off ANY of the details that make it clearly those people is just wild. like, use your brain for one moment Ivy, you have to have at least one brain cell. also, imagine being Jason Kelce's wife and hearing you got killed off so someone could potentially write smut about your husband. that's actually the most vile part to me

[@SilentProti]

Killing off the girlfriend was always so weird to me, like is it hard to just have them break up?? And the author sometimes even would say she personally liked the girlfriend! Then why did you make her a horrible person and killed her in your story?

[@justaduck3615]

It feels like creepy stalker behaviour.

[@Kay-wp8xf]

Ivy Smoak also uses AI to make art for her books and posts them on Instagram for promo. Writing a book in 3 days, the AI art, and all of this just feels insidious and lazy. Shes on my Do Not Read list.

[@alisonmercer5946]

Is this why everyone is saying the cover is ai? 😊

[@Kay-wp8xf]

@@alisonmercer5946 it wouldn't shock me!

[@Glitterkittyxyz]

@@alisonmercer5946 likely. However, it very much just looks traced from a photo, which somehow requires even less work than AI to look...passable. it's why the hair looks so crunchy

[@seanboggs215]

In my mind, anyone who uses AI for art or writing doesn't really care about either. If someone isn't willing to put their own blood, sweat, and tears into making something, then they don't get to call themselves creators.

[@Kay-wp8xf]

@@Glitterkittyxyz I was about to say, I think it was traced

[@totakluska]

I've recently read a book where a guy was so posessive of a woman. And it worked. Why? It was a thriller. He was the bad guy. He got what he deserved. This... this is just disgusting.

[@hadleymalfoy315]

What was the name of it?

[@maerhodes8552]

@@hadleymalfoy315sounds like it could possibly be “YOU”, but I kinda just assume that baseline.

[@iriswinnow]

whenever i hear about some dark romance book that is absolutely rotten and twists some people's perception of love, i think about how great these authors would be if only they worked in the horror/thriller genre. they genuinely come up with the most terrifying scenarios under their idea of romantic, what a shame.

[@chaotic_stupid9394]

@@iriswinnow this is how I feel specifically about Verity by CoHo 😭

[@LadyShinga]

I cringed so hard it felt like my skeleton tried to escape

[@SB-ym3nt]

In the scene where she strips down to yellow and red lingerie I was like 'WTF is she Ronald McDonald?' The fact that it's team colours makes sense but it's not a sexy visual.

[@reading_faerie]

24:46 “do you have any idea how long I’ve been waiting to date you” … men aren’t owed a women’s affection just because they are attracted to them this author has some major internalized misogyny issues lol

[@Topdoggie7]

Louder for the people in the back!

[@sidney9796]

olimar pfp :) ​@@Topdoggie7

[@babyxblue]

The author is just gay, don't y'all realize it? she's clearly a Taylor Swift's fangirl lol (very messed up book btw)

[@Shephardsatan]

Honestly it's so fucking gross. We don't own men shit and I'm tired of "nice" guys thinking we do.

[@astrix_moon8334]

SAY IT LOUDERRR

[@FlashBangBANGz]

18:57 "L bomb" I thought they meant lesbian and the plot twist was she's a lesbian

[@ReadswithRachel]

This author isn’t brave enough!

[@taylorlmoore]

me: lives in constant fear someone will point out similarities between one of my characters and a real person, despite them not being based on one this person; fuck it

[@Ashbrash1998]

And not only is this just plain wierd and creepy, it's also lazy. Like Tova Saber? Really? Why not Jennie Quick or Evie Fast? And I hate HATE the cover. Like I do judge a book by its cover and this Iin my opinion is so weird. Like why does her "pants" look painted on? Like you can see the back of her knees a bit too. And what logic is there to make sure we see the line of her underwear? I almost want Chuck Tingle to write a parody of this, just to point out how wierd and creepy it all is. Whether it's A. a book with nothing inside or B. Mainly focuses on characters besides the TS and TK knock offs.

[@SilverDragonJay]

to note: I don't think that's the line of her underwear. Some pants, particularly leggings (which would explain the tightness) have seams like that...supposedly 'defines/lifts the butt'? I don't know, all I know is that pants like that _do_ exist and that's not supposed to be underwear. In fact, I find it hard to believe she's even _wearing_ underwear with the crack on display. yeah, its bad though lol.

[@41217beingbored]

Those names you came up with probably took the bare minimum of creativity and this author couldn't even do that. Creativity was clearly not the goal of this book.

[@PokebellasWussy]

The last name “Saber” COULD be reference to an old meme where people would edit Taylor to look like Saber, a character from Fate/Stay Night, a 2004 Visual Novel which would later get anime adaptations. However, that would require the author to not only be a long-time TS fan, but also know about Fate and anime in general. And surprisingly, the overlap is not as big as one would think.

[@forensicwhore]

Help chuck tingle SHOULD make a parody of this shit it’d be hilarious if

[@handuo6301]

Not that she deserves any extra credit, but that’s a decently common construction for leggings, including the seam down the middle of the butt. It’s made to make you look sexy in real life, and the author is definitely using them to sexualize Tova here, but it is at least a real type of pants

[@devlyn873]

It being about real people just makes my skin crawl. 😫

[@ReadswithRachel]

Same. I had to gloss over the sex scene in the review because it just felt repulsive to read them out loud since it’s real people. It went on for several chapters. I cut the part where I was really trying to explain the voyeurism scene because it just turned into me saying “this feels like a slap in the face to these people” repeatedly and getting more angry. I really was shocked at what I was reading.

[@ragingdevi]

"Your P was made for my C" is a line I wish people would retire as well. It's like when 50 shades came out and the phrase "He was my [guy's name] flavored lollipop" was literally everywhere

[@user-i9z]

Yeah it's not even hot lmao 😭Like wdym by that?? Also "roaring" and "growling" during sex. Smut scenes are generally unrealistic imo and I guess it's part of the fun, but overused lines and the furry rp lite take me OUT

[@ragingdevi]

@@user-i9z I knowww. I feel like it's just writers who are new or unimaginative (or maybe even a little lazy) relying on things they've read and things they've written before, without any new input to make it more interesting or less cliche 😔

[@DeathbyPixels]

@@user-i9z This is NOT me defending shit sex/smut scenes, but "roar" and "growl" aren't always meant literally. In fact I'd say they usually aren't (at least not by... good authors...). "Roar" can just be a synonym of "shout"/"yell", and "growl" can indicate a deep, gravely voice, both of which are fairly common during intense moments, lol. Same with "hiss" -- people aren't actually hissing like cats (usually...), it's just a word to describe an aggressive whisper.

[@user-i9z]

@@DeathbyPixels I sort of get the growling and the hissing. I mean it sounds a bit silly but I understand how it translates to humans and, in the moment, "growling" could be hot. But it's so overused and when the scene is badly written besides that, I can't get myself immersed enough to NOT imagine a dog, or a cringy attempt at dirty talk where the guy is overdoing his version of a "sexy" voice. And the roaring I just don't get. I don't read many books with sex scenes anymore, but usually it happens when the dude comes, right? It's a bit weird to shout at that moment. Maybe a moan, grunt, gasp, etc. but not a shout- which I imagine as an "AAAUGH" sound 😭💀 The same authors also like making the female lead "scream" as she comes iirc, which is similarly very weird. I'm guessing that what they *mean* is that they're moaning, but because they want the sex to be a whole "giving in to their primal instincts while he ravages her!!" moment, they end up using words like those. And it sounds off to me because it's really not what I'm into. Or maybe people really are having sex like that and I'm the weird one...???

[@maikamikaela3144]

That's even worse than "I gazed into his blue orbs and let out a breath I didn't know I was holding"

[@ratgoddess9196]

First, fan fiction about real people creeps me out to no end. Second, she STILL called the kid Olivia???

[@captainayaaya28]

Holy shhiiiiit it got worse…

[@GaryMcSnail]

Fanfiction in general should not be sold. There's a lot of fanfic based off fictional characters getting binded and sold on Etsy and other places for money without the author's consent. They're the ones being open to potential lawsuits, not the sellers, and authors have felt their hand forced and have taken down many of their loved fics. It sucks and shouldn't be happening

[@ReadswithRachel]

oh yeah that JUST happened with Manacled recently

[@GaryMcSnail]

​​@@ReadswithRachel EXACTLY. If that gets taken down, I'll be done for

[@belsboring]

@@GaryMcSnail heyyyyyy I have some news… Senlinyu is gonna be traditionally published (I’m very happy and excited) but because of this apparently manacled is gonna be taken down at the end of the year??? I just thought i’d let you know because I was upset when I found out but at the same time I was glad I found out before it was taken down ✨

[@ceinwenchandler4716]

@@belsboring At least if you know, you can download/print a copy before it goes down.

[@belsboring]

@@ceinwenchandler4716 fr I always download now cause I’ve been in the middle of fics before and out of nowhere they get taken down 😭😭😭

[@marshall7002]

I think it’s super weird when people make books/fanfics of real people. Like, that’s a real human person you’re writing about, not just some character. For some reason this is so prominent in music too. Like Taylor Swift, OneDirect, BTS, etc. People are so creepy when they think they can get away with it.

[@valerielevasseur8674]

People make abundant spicy fan fiction of the Taskmaster and his assistant from the absurdist British competition show of the same name, but one of them (the assistant) actually reads it and comments on the show. Some stories now apparently have the label LITTLE ALEX HORNE, DO NOT READ. He reads.

[@Ashbrash1998]

I've seen ohter types of this, where people makes posts literally vetning all their hate and feelings against an actor for their character. Or literally just insult them for their looks. Like it gets really really disgustnig and its just so awful for the actors who really don't do anything.

[@melowlw8638]

some exception for me is ppl who've been dead for like hella long (havent determined how long, maybe at least 100 or 150) that borromini×bernini fanfic i found bc i searched for it not expecting anything to actually show up, is 1) so well written in chinese, that the translator picked it up well 2) the concept of shipping these 2 dudes is objectively somewhat absurd and funny to me

[@FreyjaRKim]

It's particularly prominent in Kpop scene. You won't believe how many real people fanfics get published, and you won't believe how many of them literally used the real person's photo as an element on the cover (either minimally edited into "drawing" style or handdrawn but you can totally tell it was based on a real person). My friend perused to write a thesis about the legality of this back when we were in uni (around 2011). I guess people can get away with it especially when it's not written in English. There was a time whenever I walked into a bookstore, I was immediately welcomed by fanfic books instead of original works. These days, they are more careful, but you see, when you know the person, you will know just by reading the synopsis. I'm not entirely innocent either because I did write fanfics, but in a way that I just made them actors of my stories, but of course I would never sell them lol (and most of them stay in drafts anyway). Also, when I think about it, the weirdest fanfiction is probably The Crown, especially because it's a TV series.

[@eldrichnemo9312]

@@FreyjaRKim I don't know much about the Kpop scene but I was into J-Rock circa '98-'00 and remember online friends who wrote RPF and/or AUs about Dir en Grey and Malice Miser and it was so uncomfortable for me then, too

[@mimisezlol]

Edit: as someone who used to be into KPop, the only thing that surprises me about this is that it was published. RPF gets real bad REAL fast, and it's pretty clearly because the people who write it don't see celebrities as people. To Ivy Smoak, Taylor is her stage persona and the football guy is what Smoak thinks an athlete must be like. Personhood doesn't enter the equation. She doesn't care. Tova Sabre would be such a cool name for a fantasy character I'm so salty it was used for this. I wanna steal it.

[@alisonmercer5946]

Lol you might as well steal it. I dont think it would count coming from this lol

[@my_girl_seraphine5294]

Take it!! That would be so kickass as a fantasy character name

[@evanlinden4410]

The creepiest thing about this is that it’s not even a romance, it’s just porn.

[@kingreinhardt1553]

Red and yellow? She's wearing the Minotaur colors-- She's wearing McDonald's colors. Ketchup and mustard right there! 😂

[@tyler-df3wy]

You’re honestly so brave to read this, I would actually combust from pure disgust and embarrassment

[@ReadswithRachel]

I did and I’m typing this from beyond the grave 👻

[@emackenzie]

Writing RPF is weird by itself, but writing RPF where you _kill off a man's wife_ so you can write erotica about him?? HELLO??? 😭😭

[@ririmeee6111]

Being in fandom spaces for more than ten years, it's a no brainer for most of us that RPF (Real Person Fiction) should be handled with care, and to ensure that this does not reach the people the fanfics are based on. There's a lot out there, from written fanfic, fanart, Social Media post AUs, even graphic novels/fanbooks/zines, etc., and they should stay in their own niches, not thrown out into the wide world and being monetized and where they can see them. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen. It only takes a few minutes to get an AO3 invite and publish it there. Fanfics are for fun, not for profit.

[@astrothsknot]

thirty years in fandom. Couldn't agree more.

[@chibiktsn3]

20 years in fandom, and yeah. I have mostly negative feelings on RPF, but accept that if you’re going to do it, at least don’t push it in the faces of the people they’re about. The serial numbers are so shoddily filed off on this that you can still make out the code at a glance, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a legal issue behind the book pull.

[@Scatscar1985]

Agreed.

[@Scatscar1985]

Have you heard of Australian Rules Football?

[@sleepy.timaeus.arts.]

10+ years in fandom, i can cosign this. edit: minor spelling error

[@Evelyn_Okay]

This is on the level of those AI prn pics of Taylor that were posted on Twitter before the Superbowl. But maybe this is worse bc this woman took the time to write and publish her prn for a profit.

[@paisleepunk]

i suspect this book cover was ai generated tbh

[@Zero_Is_Stopping_Time]

@@paisleepunkyeahh, as an artist theres not enough money on this planet that would make me draw a cover for this book

[@erikdaniels0n]

⁠@@paisleepunkbased on the proportions… yeah, it’s AI

[@Evelyn_Okay]

​@@erikdaniels0napparently, AI like it's women thicc 😂

[@ovgem]

@@erikdaniels0nhonestly i dont think it looks like ai at all. it just looks like a beginner artists’ work, and while i do think the cover art is unattractive, especially for a BOOK being sold, i see no reason why you would think it was ai.

[@worm1533]

What I don't understand is how seemingly every romance male lead in these books are awful and creepy. I would not want to be within a mile radius of any of them, let alone want to hear more about their sex fantasies.

[@my_girl_seraphine5294]

Just being in their POV’s makes me want to vomit I can’t imagine being anywhere near them

[@aaronymous9]

See if the author was INSPIRED by the idea of a pop star dating a football player because a pop star and a football player irl got together, and then created their own complex characters who had lives and personalities completely different from Taylor and Travis, I think that would be fine. I’ve had friends and celebrities who have inspired me to create characters that have the same career or hair color as them or something but it never goes farther than that. And when it comes to taking REAL people as inspiration I think that’s about as far as you can go.

[@thomasakagi7545]

Not only is roughing the passer not a penalty that applies to tight ends (who rarely pass, and as offensive players wouldn't be in a position to commit it), but 69 isn't even a legal number for tight ends, who are limited to 1-49 and 80-89.

[@steviesteviticusstevert]

honestly this is my favourite point of clarification in the comments

[@AnEnemySpy456]

I really doubt Ivy Smoak knows anything about football.

[@Heather_Duke]

Me, upon seeing the cover of the book: "Oh god no!"

[@Beeslaughter]

I was like “please do not be what I think this is” 😂

[@Heather_Duke]

@@Beeslaughter No, but same! I saw the jersey, the microphone, and the blonde hair and was instantly horrified, thinking it was a Taylor/Travis book. I was right. lol.

[@Artbyhurricanyounot]

Oh my god the THROWBACK to one of my favorite Vines!! “Go back to sleep and STARVE” 🤣🤣🤣

[@theuncannydag]

Angela Davis looks like she's staring at the character on the cover lol

[@shortinsomniac76]

One of my facourite things on this channel is that angela davis is allways there

[@AMoniqueOcampo]

I really hate the narrative voice in this book. The actual Travis Kelce is a dork who is very respectful of Taylor and would never talk about any woman in such a manner. Never got into RPF. This is why.

[@bishielurfer]

I know nothing about him or what he's like, but the entire time I was like "man if I was portrayed like this I'd be pissed. This can't be even close to what he's like."

[@Mario_Angel_Medina]

9:40 writing porn about real people is wrong, clarifyed that, every time I see an erotic novel that starts with a s*x scene I remember two things. First it was an interview to an European comicbook writer who made a lot of erotic comics and he said "you cannot start a p*rn comicbook with an orgasm. If you start a comic with someone finishing, that means its not a p*rn comicbook, it could be a horror comicbook or a detective comicbook or whatever, but it wouldn't be p*rn because the orgasm is the climax of the story you built thowards, so if you start with one it means your climax will be something else entirely" the second, related thing it reminded me was from a TV movie in which two erotic writers with very different styles where paired together with hopes to complement eachother's flaws. They have a discussion about the main characters having s*x with eachother in the second chapter, the writer opposed to it said "if the main couple f*cks already in the first 25 pages, what will the other 100 pages be about?"... I don't know, is something I remember from time to time

[@aconstantstateofbladerunne5251]

RPF is strange and ethically dubious at best, but can we set that aside a moment to talk about the author CHARGING MONEY for RPF erotica she only spent 3 days writing when there are hundreds if not thousands of erotic rpf that don’t add stupid names online right now FOR FREE. And creepy as that crap is, there’s probably way better quality writing out there. What was the author’s thought process making and selling this? Who are the people buying it? For what reason?

[@alisonmercer5946]

Who are the people who bought 50 shades of grey and made with break records and the author s multimtillionaire and popular Hollywood movies.. Did you read even a few pages of that crap. If you have not I highly recommend it. 😅

[@alexandrahoward3686]

I am the last person to police fanfiction - until the second it makes money. As soon as it makes money, it becomes a work open to critique and observation, and thiiiiiiiis is rubbish

[@Feynix4]

I thought you meant “police fanfiction” as in fan fiction about police and was so confused for a sec 😂

[@kingintern7566]

The weird immediate expectation of sex when y'all haven't even gone on a proper date is ugh 🤢

[@ellioa3978]

The cringe i crunged. I couldn’t finish this video, i’m sorry😭

[@ReadswithRachel]

Don’t be! Editing it was almost too much for me

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

The past tense of cringe is actually cringed, but "crunged" just seems to fit so beautifully here. Almost Dr Seuss-like: "Oh the cringes I crunged as I read through this fic. I missed out my lunch break, it made me that sick."

[@shhimreading906]

something that has bugged me for a long time as someone who is part of the BTS fan community on twitter is the amount of sexualisation i see there, not necessarily in fanfics (but yeah, in fanfics) but just in general the tweets some people make are like.... honestly kind of disgusting to say about someone you don't even know and who hasn't consented to that (it's like people talk about them as though they're in a porno together, there is literally no other way to describe it, it feels dehumanising). like i don't object to RPF as a whole---i understand why people find it weird, but overall i don't find it egregious if it's just a regular story---but to write what is essentially just erotica about real people has always kind of given me the ick. And I've never liked the idea that people can write fanfics and then publish them as original works by changing the names, etc. especially about real people.

[@kendrajanelle1996]

Ooooof this just gave me BTS fandom flashbacks. I just accepted that the fics and general sexualization were just something that wasn't going to go away. Still I always wished people would at the very least "thirst responsibly" and keep it in private groups/chats or places that had to be searched for, so that one of the stars doesn't go to see what the fans think of their new album and randomly come across tweets about explicit fantasies. I mentioned that once and was accused of being too judgmental 🫠 disappointed but not surprised to see things haven't changed much

[@shhimreading906]

@@kendrajanelle1996 yeah i don’t feel like it’s going to go away (as progressive as most of the fandom claims to be, they really aren’t in that respect). i’ve never bothered saying anything. you just get accused of being a prude, told to let people enjoy what they enjoy, and told that its not that deep if you call people out on being inappropriate. I’ve always found it quite interesting how, while the fandom is diverse ofc, it’s largely got a lot of women in it and i just think if any of those women saw a man say just one of the things they’ve said about bts then the guy would be deemed creepy. it feels like there’s a double standard when really no one should sexualise anyone regardless of gender.

[@bishielurfer]

Yeah it's uncomfortable. Among your friends or in places where the person is probably not going to see it, that's one thing. But when you start tagging them, saying it when you meet them, or @ing them, that's different. It's one thing to say someone is hot, and I even don't really have a problem with the more jokey thirst tweets as long as they're on the tamer side (calling someone a zaddy will never not be ridiculous to me). But the ones that are explicit (_especially_ when either the fan or the celeb are underage) are super gross. Just because they're in the public eye doesn't mean they're not real people.

[@akarifuyuki9763]

To make it worse, people who write something like this, many of them are teenagers.

[@trucevideos]

admitting that you wrote a book in three days is.. definitely a move

[@KaiseaWings]

I hope you know I was hearing the main character as 'Toga Saber' the whole time. Like. Not actually, right? Picturing a very strange anime mash up.

[@jasminv8653]

Same

[@tieflingrogue]

Now, I'm thinking of Touga Kiryuu dressed as Saber from Fate. I wish I could draw it.

[@deliahhh]

the thing that got me was the laziness of these name changes... like she didn't even change the initials????? it feels like she went on nameberry and scrolled though the 't' options and picked the first ones she found

[@willowingwhispers2612]

The fact this person wrote fanfiction about REAL people and then tried to make money off of it is a quadruple major YIKES.

[@elizabethlebeau866]

I would love to be at the law firm hired for this lawsuit

[@Uniquelyneek]

She shouldn’t be able to upload a book for the next 3 to 5 business years…

[@emmaboxer4659]

I cant imagine how violating it would feel to have someone write explicit stories about me and publish it. How did she think this was okay?!

[@pinkyhc4130]

I hope Taylor Swift sent the SCARIEST lawyer with a VERY scary letter.

[@puraqua.7626]

If only Johnnie Cochran was still alive

[@taylorgayhart9497]

15:14 that’s literally something Travis does… this book is so creepy!!!!!! Also, killing Jason’s wife to write smut about him is absolutely unhinged!!

[@MortMe0430]

This gas station-food-quality nonsense makes me rather more confident in my ability to write romance or erotica, which is saying a lot coming from an ace who's been binging victorian mystery content. But even if I attempted to do so, I'd eat my own hand before descending to this level of hubris.

[@SalayaSkystone]

Wait wait wait... I thought this was maybe a 14 year old making a mistake after googling how to self-pub... The author is a worldwide bestseller????? HUHHHH?

[@SenshiSunPower]

She says she's had USA Today, Wall Street Journal, and Amazon #1s. Depending on categories, Amazon books can get to #1 with low sales numbers. The USA Today bestsellers list can be manipulated with multi-author box sets. Not sure if that's what happened here.

[@pixelsbykris5494]

As if the RPF being a thing wasn't bad enough she apparently planned to write RPF with a STALKER as a legit love interest? Whether that stalker was going to be based on another real person or not that is STILL worse. The fact this whole thing could have gotten even worse than it it already is is BAFFLING.

[@HainekoMikemalcom]

Fanfics are only valid when the characters are fictional, like Sasuke and Sakura, Hermione and Draco, or any other character and ship you like. Writing about fictional people won't hurt anybody. However, writing about real people is off-limits, imo.

[@pupdawn]

Yes absolutely. I’ve been reading fan fiction for over 6 years and real people fan fiction is usually a big taboo and I refuse to read it. It’s extremely invasive and just straight up weird.

[@aaron_99887]

if i ever feel insecure about my writing, i’ll just remember that someone thought it would be a good idea to make this

[@iFlutterbye]

I don’t even know if I can watch this whole video… my skin is crawling away…

[@DaraJill]

Honestly, the Door P@rn video made me less uncomfortable, and that was at least an original work...

[@iFlutterbye]

The door was quite a sweetie.

[@wickedthepurpleman]

“Back off, she’s mine!” Is definitely equivalent to “I am the Alpha!” 😭

[@Tathareth]

Other than the disgust I feel about publishing fanfic about real people, I have such a strong disturbed feeling that the brother's wife was killed off so there could be a self-insert, which I don't know which is worse.

[@KuroNoUsagi]

As someone who writes fanfic that book is not only SO fanfic-y but the end note reads like a literal end note of a fanfic, not the end note of a published book. I love fanfics and think they deserve more recognition but as I believe some fanfics deserve to be books I also think some published books would have faired better as just a fanfic (how do u have the guts to make people pay for this)

[@tsifirakiehl4250]

I once wrote a fanfic-which was about fictional characters, NOT real people; given the subject matter of this video, I feel the need to specify-in one afternoon while recovering from wisdom teeth surgery, and I posted it to AO3 that same afternoon without having it beta read. It was much better than this “book.”

[@GrayYeonWannabe]

"i want to not people to read words anymore" is exactly how i felt after this vid 💀

[@GrayYeonWannabe]

'i couldnt get the story out of my mind' = i needed a good wank or fuck but instead wrote this drivel

[@Tareltonlives]

(reads title) OH NO (looks at cover) OH NO What wattpad-to-paper fuckery is this?

[@awkwardhandmovements]

Do we have confirmation that the author's government name is Ivy? Because that's just *another* sign that disclamer at the beginning was bull. (And I feel offended, because ivy is one of my favorite Taylor songs lol.) You weren't subtle AT ALL, sis. Good lord. Leave Taylor alone

[@ReadswithRachel]

“Purely coincidental” like PLEASE. Unsure if her name is really Ivy, if it’s a Taylor reference, or happens to be the only actually coincidental part in all of this.

[@cakt1991]

Ivy Smoak is, as far as I know, a pretty established romance author, since I had definitely heard her name before this. I looked online, and she’s been publishing under this name since 2015. So, it’s definitely not Taylor related…just a coincidence.

[@awkwardhandmovements]

@@cakt1991 wait so she’s an established author and writes this terribly?! That actually sounds worse lol

[@cakt1991]

@@awkwardhandmovements her books are self-published and in Kindle Unlimited, and while there are some real gems from the indie and KU space, there also tends to be some real dreck there, because the algorithm enables it. And I don’t know, maybe she just rushed this one out specifically (can’t be bothered to find out). But in my sleuthing, the funniest thing I found is that she gives writing advice! Or at least she has a page on her website with general “writing advice.”

[@erinlee5936]

​@@awkwardhandmovements TBH, and TBF, most of the authors in the romance genre (especially in the erotic romance sub-genre), whether independent or traditionally published, are like this. There's rarely quality writing in the works, even for "established" authors. It's more quantity over quality, mommy prn, and women writing for women to help them fulfill some unmet need for physical pleasure.

[@happyduck3396]

"They have an effect on me too, I want to throw up" 🤣🤣

[@SailorSaiyan9000]

Back in my day, we threw it on Wattpad and let it be😢

[@drayiskewl]

I write fanfiction for fun, but the key to fanfiction is respect. Respect your readers. Respect the characters. Respect those who portray those the characters. And if they're real people, RESPECT THEIR BOUNDARIES. If a real person doesn't want to have explicit fanfic written about them, just dont. If they haven't said anything about it, still dont! Unless the real-life person explicitly says they're fine with light-hearted fanfiction, then its fine. But these people are just that, PEOPLE with boundaries. Respect those boundaries. And if you dont know the boundaries, dont push it.

[@abelvanvroztco.7949]

Same. Even currently I am writing RPF about our Malaysian comedian trio which they are popular since a decade. The genre is dystopian time travel adventure with romance subplot (and alternate universe if they arent being celebs because they were fishermen before they gone famous) The first thing I thought when writing about them is keep the boundaries well. These comedian trio are brothers IRL, and I always have to write they have good family relationship despite they occasionally argued like normal brothers do. Even for their attitude on their love interests (each of them got love interest), they always being sweetheart, try to tolerate one another, so I am trying to be careful on what I write about them. And it also means there is no explicit scenes about them, the fanfic is T rated for a good reason (all of them are married IRL, and they wont show up in any media form that has explicit interaction with actress). I always checked on how they acting in sitcoms and movies as references on how they behaved like, because they used to say in interview that 'what are they in camera is exact as what are they out of camera'. Currently, one of the comedian trio members found the teaser of that fanfic from my IG story because the author note has birthday wishes on him. But he is being fine on it for now 😅😅😅

[@erikdaniels0n]

Learning that this was written in only a couple days, to no doubt capitalize on the initial Taylor/Travis hype in case it did end up to be a fake/PR relationship that ended fairly soon after it was officially announced, is honestly the least shocking thing about this whole situation

[@foxpines1808]

leaving aside how uncomfortable RPF is at the best of time- Is this... genuinely the way straight women want men to talk about them? holy shit- like is the way the MMC in this book talks about the girl supposed to be appealing? it's APPALLING

[@Saphia_]

Appealing, Appalling. Their, They're. Your, You're. Who cares? /s

[@heyimsasa]

i remember in middle school, people i thought were my friends wrote fiction about me and this guy i had a crush on and it was one of the most soul-crushing feelings i've ever had to endure as a kid because it got passed around outside of our circle of friends and then eventually it got twisted into a nasty rumor. DO NOT WRITE ABOUT REAL PEOPLE PLEASE! it is so fucking uncomfortable and traumatizing.

[@jasminv8653]

Very sorry you had to go through that! Absolutely vile :S

[@ambersquirrel2514]

"...and she was wearing yellow lingerie with a red garter belt. The straps to the garter belt were strapped to her red thigh high boots.." all I can think about is Ronald Mcdonald XD

[@dylantallman]

I feel like this "author" fell asleep reading Pucking Wrong Number and listening to 1989 (but not Taylors Version since she clearly doesn't respect the woman), then woke up with a terrible, horrible idea... I hate this. So, so much.

[@WhatsGnat]

IT WAS WORSE THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE 😭😭😭😭

[@roibenr]

Fanfiction is facinating in that it's art but it's not public art. Or at least, so much of fanfiction - esp taboo stuff - is created to explore various themes, relationships, social concepts, etc. But the moment it's presented to anyone else, it immediately becomes something else. It's strange to see this kind of personal or semi-personal (shared in a closed community) art then be hoisted into public. While the discussion about "DO NOT SHOW CELEBRITIES THEIR FANFIC/ART" is still active in fandom spaces, casual fans and readers are starting to encroach on these spaces and not receiving the same messaging. With the rising trend of FF getting published, I think it's more important than ever to keep pushing for "fandom rules" to be brought into open discussions.

[@shockwavecg]

I miss the days when fanfiction smut was considered degenerate enough to stay on websites that you found out through digging. It was so much more fun and there were a lot more quality works.

[@sophiaaldous3199]

It’s moments like this where I rediscover how wonderfully basic and vanilla my kinks are. Egads.

[@chaotic_art_nerd8313]

I hate this on so many levels, especially because I’m a massive eagles fan and Jason Kelce is one of my favorite players of all time. It’s so foul that she writes about these whole entire real ass people like they’re characters to play with 🤮

[@chaotic_art_nerd8313]

ALSO INVOLVING JASONS DAUGHTERS (or daughter in this case) IN THIS WHEN THEYRE LITERAL YOUNG CHILDREN. That’s weird in any book but in a straight up p0rn novel about those kids’ uncle and father is horrid.

[@chaotic_art_nerd8313]

(I’m commenting these as I watch so sry for all the additions) BUT HOW DARE THE AUTHOR SAY ‘GO EAGLES’ AT THE END WHEN SHES LITERALLY WRITING THE NASTIEST BS ABOUT ONE OF THE BEST MEMBERS OF THE TEAM?!?!! AHHHH I’ve rarely been so mad at an author but she’s just special ig

[@kairolavergne7551]

ya know idc for rpf. write it, read it or don’t wtv idc but to try and make money off of sexualizing real people is soooo fucking weird

[@jj-reads]

I can’t believe anyone thought this was a good idea. The references felt like she was trying to show us how much of a Taylor fan she is, but there’s nothing that disqualifies a person from being a fan to me more than disrespecting Taylor’s privacy

[@calamityradio]

The funniest thing about rpf for me is that the authors are committed to making sure people know exactly who they're writing about by making the stand-ins have the same initials, but at the same time also need their stand-ins to be as ~unique~ as possible so they give them super uncommon names like Talon and Tova when the real life names are super common.

[@tyler-df3wy]

Writing blatant rpf and claiming the similarities are incidental is so ridiculous I actually can’t process it

[@FollowerofDuck]

this shouldnt have left wattpad

[@ninavale.]

also the "she writers songs about breakups" like, yeah...she does. and so do a lot of male aritsts and they always had. There are tons of poems and songs dating back to the acient times and middle ages about a guy pining over a girl; and/or that girl breaking his heart. Douce dame joile is one example, and ofc Greensleeves. Which is considered a classic and high culture.

[@alexgreincarinated]

23:58 did.... Did she just write angst about a real persons life?

[@PinstripeEXE]

3 days is crazy 😭

[@mirimariana]

Ong 😭

[@Musiclove702]

the after series, the 227 incident (idk if you want to learn more about this, it might have stuff that'll trigger you?), and now this......perhaps we do need to remember shame sometimes. like....get your bag I guess. it's hard out here. but some fic writers are getting a lil' too cozy! got too much dip on your chip! like just because we CAN does not mean we always SHOULD. this whole thing should have stayed in the mind drafts, what an absurd book, good lord. thank you for taking one for the team rachel because god DAMN.

[@mrlagoonslawyer]

What was the 227 incident? If it needs it throw in a tw cause sound ominous

[@Musiclove702]

@@mrlagoonslawyer oh there's a whole wiki page laying the situation out! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiao_Zhan_boycott_incident tw for mmm....underage prostitution and pedophilia I think? those are the main two.

[@my_girl_seraphine5294]

@@mrlagoonslawyer I would like to learn about this too

[@weirdobookclub]

I grabbed a copy of this before it was scrubbed too and I couldn't bring myself to read it. Just so icky.

[@arkkon2740]

God I wish I was a patreon or something so I can comm you to read this now 🧍‍♂️

[@weirdobookclub]

@@arkkon2740 you would hurt me like this!? 😂

[@lrae9519]

Didn't even file the fanfic numbers off this one

[@cakt1991]

I’m a Swiftie, and I like Taylor Swift references in books…even some TS and celebrity “inspired” books are ok, if they aren’t too obvious/exploitative. But this is just a bridge too far, with the blatant disrespect for *all* the people involved. And it’s ridiculous how common it is. Apart from the instances you’ve named, there was this author who wasn’t happy writing Reylo fic and publishing that…she decided to write RPF about Adam Driver. She also had apparently met Adam and some other Star Wars folks. When I and other people pointed out that this was a creepy thing to do, we ended up being blocked on Twitter 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@rain2986]

Do you mind naming the author because wow

[@cakt1991]

@@rain2986 Sariah Wilson. The book is The Seat Filler.

[@ReadswithRachel]

Oh my god she what????