Roundup 10 with Matsimus and The VSO Gun Channel : Artillery, Flamethrowers, and the M1 Ping

[@RyanMcBethProgramming]

Grab Atlas VPN for just $1.83/mo + 3 months extra before the BIG DEAL deal expires: get.atlasvpn.com/McBeth The VSO Gun channel can be found here: www.youtube.com/@VSO_Gun_Channel Matsimus can be found here: kzbin.info/door/FWjEwhX6cSAKBQ28pufG3w If you want to meet me in Dallas, TX on May 20th, the link is below: www.eventbrite.com/e/ultra-ukraine-logistics-tactical-resupply-association-benefit-tickets-629622546987 This week's questions are: Gismobrat: Why no flamethrowers in Ukraine? Chuck: Russia vs a Desert Storm force. Peter: Ballistic Shields for clearing trenches. SF180A: M1 Garand “ping” sound dangerous? Andy: What happens to destroyed equipment? Kelsey: Is mobile the future of artillery? For uncensored video, check out my substack at: ryanmcbeth.substack.com Like my shirts? Get your own at: www.bunkerbranding.com/pages/ryan-mcbeth Want a personalized greeting: www.cameo.com/ryanmcbeth Watch all of my long form videos: kzbin.info/aero/PLt670_P7pOGmLWZG78JlM-rG2ZrpPziOy Twitter: @ryanmcbeth Join the conversation: discord.gg/pKuGDHZHrz Want to send me something? Ryan McBeth Productions LLC 8705 Colesville Rd. Suite 249 Silver Spring, MD 20910 USA

[@tobin9575]

I found the flamethrower answer to be a bit disappointing because it only covered man portable flamethrowers. in WW2 there was a serious use of flamethrower tanks which have a range of more like 100 meters (Churchill crocodile) with fuel for 80 one second bursts. - Wikipedia Now the advantage is that a tank is not nearly as vulnerable as an infantryman, and these tanks actually tended to cause surrenders at a very high degree. The logic was to send an unignighted burst of fuel and anyone that got hit and a few people around would understand what could comes next... their will to fight evaporated. It's a specialised vehicle that is only useful in very close and usually urban combat, but highly effective. Some Vietnam sources may explain why such tanks are not as common anymore.

[@BloodBlight]

Would it be possible to add chapters to these videos?

[@fyrchmyrddin1937]

Definitely appreciated the multiple "host" format for this segment.

[@RobinTheBot]

I liked the idea of having expert guests, but VSO wasted our time. That question can be answered as easily as a Google search... And 90% of what he said had nothing to do with anything. I hope his entire channel isn't like that. I also wanted to hear about flame tanks. Frankly, they were the real bunker buster of the day, and oxygen depletion is still a valid strategy today... We just don't have a weapon that does it.

[@Slavic_Goblin]

@@fyrchmyrddin1937 The VSO part could have been much shorter. Most of what the guy said was pointless rambling interspersed with an inaccuracy or two to top it off, save for the point that you simply wouldn't hear it.

[@_Matsimus_]

Thanks for the invite! Love the channel and I appreciate you reaching out and let me speak to my beloved trade of firepower, fuzes and gunpowder! UBIQUE 💥💥💥

[@lnaesll]

Holy crap Matt. You’re getting jacked dude! 💪 Keep up the good work!

[@almadesikevin1525]

Matt dont consider me a traitor for seeing Ryan as well 😂😂😂😂

[@whaaaat_scoobs]

I hate to be that guy… and yea I’m gonna get piled on here for this I know I am… but can you support your claim “why do you think the American Govt wants to take your semi auto rifles away?” Because I am not aware of a single proposal to do so. In the context of school shootings (which objectively happen here more than anywhere else BECAUSE of the wide and easy availability of firearms with few if any restrictions in most places) there could be the argument in the media that less guns=less school shootings, but I am not personally aware of any legislative proposal or executive order being considered at this moment to actually “take my guns away.” So, given that, why make the claim? Honest question. Thanks in advance for a non-combative reply, as I am only saying this to clarify for those who may not be aware and only listen to right wing propaganda on the subject. Nobody ACTUALLY wants to take your guns away, it gets talked about (because we used to have an assault weapons ban) after school shootings but it’s not actively being proposed or enforced. We can love guns and we can love our freedoms but we do not have to spread misinformation in order to protect those freedoms. (disregarding our freedom to not get shot in the face by a lunatic at a Walmart or church or school btw)

[@_Matsimus_]

@@whaaaat_scoobs erm… what are you even talking about lol

[@nalgrazzim]

​@@_Matsimus_ I believe they are confusing you with the other guest Ryan had on. And thanks for the insights! I hadn't really considered the different artillery charges and chamber pressures and the logistical issues they could cause. Also, as a fellow Canadian and longtime watcher of your channel, I think this is the first time I've ever seen your face. :D

[@arsenalxa4421]

Matsimus is very well informed in his field. You couldnt have chosen a better artilleryman.

[@jeffho1727]

He is a double threat with his REME Brit Maint background. Gives him a great background depth not unlike Ryans Intel with his Infantry background.

[@deananderson7877]

A decent guy too boot. He is in my top 3 of channels to watch

[@rymoe6299]

He’s not a gunner 🤷🏼‍♂️ Failed the dance of the flaming arseholes drinking beer test. He predominately left handed and was seen in trustworth so passed over to the engineers to fix the stuff gunners break

[@duncanread4442]

Matsimus!!! Whoooo!!!!

[@_Matsimus_]

@@Jreg1992 that made zero sense. But ok

[@toastrecon]

18:31 That half-wrecked muddy MRAP with “NO BRAKES” hastily spray painted on the side is my spirit animal.

[@Everfrost1000]

1:05 - Flamethrowers 3:28 - Russia v US desert storm 6:28 - ballistic shields 8:10 - M1 ping 16:58 - damaged equipment 20:46 - self propelled artillery

[@SergTTL]

Thank you!

[@SW-ii5gg]

Thanks.

[@Aranyparipaa]

UP ;)

[@mats66]

A small correction, Archer crew does not need to step out of the vehicle so they are protected from counter fire shrapnel and small arms fire. Also, normally operated by 3-4 crew but can even be managed down 1-2 persons if needed.

[@seidmadr2024]

And the frame is based on off-road articulated haulers, so they will not be nearly as bad in rough terrain as one might initially think, when one hears that it is wheeled.

[@_Matsimus_]

I only mentioned Caesar having that problem. Notice how I mention archer is auto loaded 😜

[@gurrz1126]

@@_Matsimus_ I listened to it again and you say archer with dismounts at the rear and archer with an auto-loader. but I know how easy it is to slip up. I thought you meant the crew reloading the auto-loader was at risk the first time I watched.

[@leifiseland1218]

​@@_Matsimus_Hmm.. I wonder if Archer has the possibility to use tracks on the rear wheels aswell, like the haulers usually use when hauling timber in the Woods..? Could be an option for really bad ground conditions.. But it forces you to drive fairly slow though.. 🤔

[@dobbylollol]

@@leifiseland1218 Pretty sure the vechicle handles terrain whitout anything put on it. Its designed for Swedish terrain wich consist of like 80-90% forests, not many proper roads when you are out in the woods, and also snow/ice. There is probably a reason why my country Sweden choice to go with wheels instead of tracks for that system-

[@51TGM71]

Archer is meant to program all its rounds to impact at the same the time and to be far away already when that happens. Also Archer works well in wooden, muddy and cold weather in rural Sweden.

[@Thaidory]

It does not work well in Ukrainian mud.

[@51TGM71]

@@Thaidory based on?

[@51TGM71]

@@Thaidory Panzerhaubitze 2000 is almost twice as heavy as the Archer. AHS Krab is 10 tons heavier. Though tracked this too hinders mobility in mud. Archer is not perfect but far better than Ceasar and more mobile than what is given credit to here. Also Archer is the fastest artillery system in the world (from deployment, fire and redeployment).

[@CrowColdblade]

​@@Thaidorythe Archer is based on a Volvo hauler, it can deal with most mud, it was originally designed to work offroad after all. The Caesar is based on a Renault truck and will have a harder time with mud. That said, nobody has made a big push during the mud season.

[@jkotekvolnycz]

@@CrowColdblade ​​⁠​⁠​⁠ not always. The Caesar gun can be mounted on many chasis and the ones donated toUkraine by Denmark use Tatra 8x8 (817 model) that provides an excelent offroad mobility.

[@kylehenline3245]

Ryan Mcbeth and Matsimus is a treat I never expected. Glad to see "competitors" collaborating!

[@RyanMcBethProgramming]

Not competitors. There is enough cake for everybody to eat.

[@kylehenline3245]

And he just gets more awesome, you are verging on wholesome overload sir!

[@johanmagnusson2672]

With Archer, you have to remember it is built specifically for Swedish terrain. Much of the countryside has an infrastructure of good smaller paved and unpaved roads designed for heavy lumber transports. Tracked artillery would not be needed, nor wanted on those roads - it would tear the roads up. Going off road, wide tracked vehicles would get stuck between the trees whereas the Archer is mounted on the type of Volvo chassis that has been used for decades to haul logs in the same off-road terrain the Archer would operate.

[@johanmagnusson2672]

Also, keep in mind logistics. If a tracked vehicle breaks down, you have to get spare parts from far away if you have them. If an Archer breaks down, there are thousands of the civilian version of same vehicle scattered across every part of the Sweden to canibalize for spare parts.

[@VSO_Gun_Channel]

Thanks for having me on brother

[@ChrisLoew]

Love the collaboration

[@whaaaat_scoobs]

Can you support the claim “why do you think the American Gov wants to take your semi auto rifles away?” By pointing to a legislative proposal, or executive order, to do so, anywhere in the country? I’m not aware of one. Edit- changed to use your specific verbiage from the video.

[@VSO_Gun_Channel]

@@whaaaat_scoobs links are disabled. Bill is S25

[@VSO_Gun_Channel]

Last session they passed: S.2938

[@RyanMcBethProgramming]

Current states with Assault weapons bans are: California Connecticut Delaware D.C. Hawaii Illinois Maryland Massachusetts New Jersey New York Washington

[@shrekjuniors]

Matsimus is accidently saying that the crew has to leave the compartments when firing on Archer. He meant Ceasar. Thats one of the big diferences between Archer and Ceasar. No one has to step outside to fire the Archer, everyting is managed within the vehicle and it's autoloaded and loads from its magazine.

[@_Matsimus_]

Correct I mean Caesar 😅

[@stefanblohm5217]

Yes they can sit inside the warm and cozy Archer, they can even make some coffee while operating.

[@cheapscifi]

Does anyone else find it odd to be totally against war, but still totally fascinated by it?

[@kittymervine6115]

it's odd that I am totally 100% behind Ukraine, I have such sympathy and pity for the. conscripts from Russia. Wagner group, hey they know what they signed up for.... but those that were tricked with promises of money, or training and being fully equipped - not just shipped off to the front barely able to shot a gun-my heart breaks. Wars are started by old men, like Putin, but it's the young men and women that die. For the Ukrainians, there is knowledge their cause is right. Indeed thinking of WWII, it is like everyone is supporting Ukraine to stop the Russians NOW, instead of letting the Russians go on to their plans to reclaim many of the former Soviet nations. If not stopped now, Russia will try again and again. Finland knows this. Poland knows this. Everyone knows this. So, there is great respect for the Ukrainian. soldiers. For the Russians, they will return to a decimated economy and a bleak future with no thank you or admiration.

[@DeltaEntropy]

No. War is the greatest necessary evil. You can’t have peace without the threat of war, and you can’t stomach war without the promise of peace.

[@josav09]

@@HomeworkNarative More like "Ru should've never started it". Totally against war is different from not supporting the clear victim in this scenario. Like I am against China attacking Taiwan but I would support Taiwan if they did. I am also against the US pre-empting this by attacking China. Just leave Taiwan in the weird political place it is and no one has to die

[@EaglePicking]

It depends on what you consider being "against war". Surely all reasonable people should be against war. Nobody wants their loved ones to die. I've always been a pacifist and I've never even hit a person in my life, still I think that having a strong military is very important. Because you might live in a country that is all flower power and make love not war, but if the country next to you are a bunch of aggressive a-holes, they might want to come and dominate you. People only sleep safely in their beds at night because rough men are out there to guard them. So Am i a pacifist? Absolutely. Am I against war? Absolutely. Am I against the military? Absolutely not. Is military equipment very interesting from an engineering standpoint? You betcha :)

[@helmetfire5973]

Of course everyone is against the war. You are not alone, but with a clear victim in this situation, it is amazing how they endure, and only human to root for them. They deserve our support and shall continue to recieve it until the job is done!

[@Rob_F8F]

The Bunker Branding ad at the end was QUAZY!!! Loved the Woz channeling Randy Savage at the end. Now we just need a "Snap into a Shadow Storm" t-shirt.

[@SpazAttackJNH]

That would be an awesome shirt.

[@wolflegion_]

To touch on the M1 ping point as well, Bloke on the Range did a video on it. Basically having someone try to react to it and move, before he was able to reload. Basically, it’s never a problem purely due to the time it takes you to reload vs react. Let alone if you are working in a squad with others that reload at different points.

[@nivlacyevips]

There is a video from the youtube channel called American Veterans Center where an American soldier fighting in Europe specifically used an empty en-bloc clip to fool German enemies who were fighting in a building between floors. It’s not the most recent video, I recall watching it some time in the last two years. Fantastic channel with first hand accounts from real WWII veterans. youtube.com/@americanveteranscenter

[@litkeys3497]

It's also that it's basically impossible to hear over the sound of 30-06

[@werewolfnar]

Diving into the subject more, the entire "Japanese charging when they heard M1 ping" thing all traces back to one source. Who was an army armorer in North Africa.

[@jorgeguanche5327]

​@@nivlacyevips the video of Bloke On The Range show very clear thats a myth..

[@LeCharles07]

@@werewolfnar That's the most interesting part of the war, imo. The Japanese Invasion of North Africa was so bloody they kept it out of the history books but I remember my Grandma telling me stories about the time she had to pick up a katana off a dead Japanese officer after the .50 she was using to defend her field hospital was destroyed by a Japanese space laser. Single handily, she fought off a whole division's Bansi charge from the back of her T-Rex named "Emperor Hirohit-bro" to defend the patients at her field hospital. 🙃

[@HannesPöllä-m4d]

The thing is, platforms like Ceasar, ATMOS, Archer etc are not competing with systems like M109, PzH 2000, K9 Thunder but with towed howitzers. Tracked platforms are fantastic systems and offer lots of capabilities but artillery is the game of masses and large numbers mean relatively cheap. Those wheeled platforms are essentially just logistics trucks with a cannon strapped in the back. It doesn't really get cheaper than that. And if you say it's not the game of masses you're preparing for counter insurgency, not full blown war. Obviously the swedes and the french missed the point by going for full automation with their platforms and thus making the things hella expensive.

[@aztaclalz]

The Archer is legit built off a Volvo dumper/hauler meant to go in off-road mud and quarries. You cannot place it in the same category as Ceasar.

[@frogfichtrlustr369]

Yes you can because it's heavier wich negates the mobility advatage (if it even matered in the first place, this is long range artilery we're talking about, if it can't get into a particular firing position because of mud or whatever else it’ll move a few undred meters, it won't impact anything

[@MarcosElMalo2]

Even lighter off road vehicles get stuck in mud or sand all the time. Then they need to be pulled out. It would be a delusion to think the same doesn’t apply to the Archer. Maybe you can’t put them in the same category, but I don’t think the difference is as great as you assume.

[@albinhorman8298]

​@@frogfichtrlustr369the archer can "swim" through most types of muds

[@itsmederek1]

@@frogfichtrlustr369 I think he is saying different tool for a different job not that one is better.

[@2adamast]

It doesn't matter much tracked or wheeled because ammunition trucks will have to take the same road (edit) 18 ton 6x6 vs 34 ton 6x6, clearly not the same category.

[@MPrybil]

Thanks!

[@RyanMcBethProgramming]

That’s very kind of you.

[@khalidmohak6708]

Really appreciate how several channels are brought together regularly on one channel. Bringing experts in their field to explain themselves. Good job!

[@eziekkiel5876]

Absolutely! This is a great community of people, Khalid. It's awesome to be a small part of it.

[@Jackfirecracker]

LOVED the m1 Garand ping explanation

[@antoneremich3500]

I was the Army's Program Manager for the M113 Family of Vehicles during RVN (specifically 1966-68) and we operated a Closed Loop System of Supply with these key data points - 2500 M113s in RVN, 500 mi life on track sets, 5000 mi life before depot rebuild of each M113 was required, M113s avg use 500 mi/mo, and loss rate of 5% APC fleet/mo (meaning only half(!!) of the M113s were in a condition good enough to be returned for rebuild every month after 10 mo of combat) - and it took 1 mo to ship them home, 4 mo to do a total disassemble/rebuild, and another 1 mo to return them back to RVN in the Closed Loop - The other half of the total vehicle requirements were met by shipment of new M113s off the factory floor. [FYI - Responding to CG, USAMACV request, we had 50 fully loaded, armed, fueled, and with radios installed M113s loaded on USAF C-141s after his G-2, got Intel on NVA Tet Offensive in 1968. 14 of the C-141s arrived in time, to help save Ton Son Nuit and Da Nang AFBs. (We transferred the undelivered M113s to ships in Hawaii or Oakland, CA, for final delivery.)] The flow of needed repair parts was met by pushing Conex boxes of parts in bulk shipments (based on historical data that was updated monthly) to Designated Supply Points who would respond to the traditional requisition demand supply system. Meantime... The rest of the Army's worldwide fleet of M113 Family Vehicles were supported under the standard requisition/demand supply system and new vehicle production by FMC Corp was increased over 250% using Presidential National Emergency Authorities. Logistics is complicated, especially under wartime conditions!

[@Walterwaltraud]

Great explanation, thanks!

[@benjaminmatheny6683]

On the flamethrower question: Russia IS using the "modern" equivalent of flamethrower tanks. Thermobaric Rocket artillery. On the Shield question: Missed that the Shield only protects in one direction, you can't bunch up like a phalanx without artillery fire dropping on your head. Spaced as modern infantry is, someone down the line can easily shoot you in the side as you advance. On the M1 question: Your guest missed the Italian campaign. There were certainly times allied troops were shooting within 10ft of Nazi lines. Monte Casino comes to mind. It certainly felt louder to the one holding the gun than it actually was though.

[@Booby855]

This guy got asked if the enemy could hear the ping. Proceeded to trail off about troop composition, the enemy troop compositions, weapons equipped, nuclear bombs, Kamikaze fighters.. lol. I wouldn't have been surprised if he trailed off and told us what he had for lunch.

[@Eddie_Munster]

Yeah I was super confused for a minute too. Thought I missed heard the question.

[@derekallen3979]

Compare that rambling all over the place with the tightly focussed, very informative answer from Matsimus.

[@remliqa]

I'm surprised he didn't blurted out what he did on January 6th.

[@Muffed_cabbage]

@@remliqawhy even make that comment?

[@Eddie_Munster]

@@Muffed_cabbage someone is living rent free in that head of his

[@davidlosey431]

Ranger sees a bunker, immediate thought is "Carl G, don't care."

[@alexandercampbell0001]

Carl G is the best kind of carl you will encounter in the military. And yes, Carl G will fuck up your day.

[@mk9430-d8v]

I think the issue is range - will you fire your Carl G to a dugout you can aim in only in

[@mikee4596]

@@mk9430-d8v i think that's illegal chemical weapononry, against the "rules" of war

[@acamilop]

I live how you are getting experts to answer some questions!

[@hater9117]

thank you for giving matsimus a hand his one of the OG military equipment channels and has been having a hard time for a minute

[@pragmaticplatypus]

Ryan: how loud is the M1 ping? Gun bro: great question. *Lengthy history lesson having nothing to do with the question*

[@SureWhyNot777]

Even included a "gov'ment wants to disarm us!" quip

[@Prez.Skinwalker]

Yeah that tool said a lot without saying much.

[@grtwhtbnr]

I was looking for this comment

[@jhcengineering]

During the war Americans would take an empty M1 (maybe clip?) and throw it against a rock with weapons loaded and ready. It was used in close quarters typically

[@SaintlyAussie]

Gun Bro. First time I ever got bored and lectured to in a Ryan clip.

[@m1t2a1]

Always good to watch Matsimus. Edit... Subscribed there for years. Just checked his channel and there are many, many videos I wasn't notified of. The algorithm is horrid.

[@_Matsimus_]

That makes me sad 😢 thanks for watching

[@m1t2a1]

@@_Matsimus_ Don't worry. I'll catch up. I think it will help if more people like, leave comments. So I'll start leaving comments even though the biggest thing I've fired are some Garands. M1 Garand has the largest allowable magazine capacity in Canada BTW. 8 vs. 5. Greetings from Ontario, eh.

[@colbunkmust]

It should be noted that the term "flamethrower" in Russia also refers to thermobaric single use rockets that are being used extensively by Russian forces(and Ukrainians when they capture them) to assault fortifications and ad hoc defenses. So, to answer the first question, they are being used in Ukraine, a lot.

[@dirtyaznstyle4156]

Very different method of inflicting damage though, so there is a difference. Even if using incendiary rockets it would be deployed differently than a vehicle mounted flamethrower, you don’t burn down cities with flame tanks for example. Thermobaric weapons don’t incinerate so TOS-1A may be translated to heavy flamethrower but in reality it’s a MLRS.

[@colbunkmust]

@@dirtyaznstyle4156 My point is the term "flamethrower" has different definitions. The majority of casualties inflicted by pressurized canister flamethrowers are through asphyxiation, not through incineration(at least form a historical perspective). Thermobaric weapons are fuel-air bombs that kill with concussion , but both use ignited fuel to perform their tasks. Thermobaric weapons also shouldn't be confused with incendiary weapons like WP or napalm ordnance, but those are also being used in Ukraine. There have been first hand reports from humanitarian aid workers that have had to treat WP burns.

[@Matt.Willoughby]

No-one calls thermobaric weapons flamethrowers though.

[@colbunkmust]

@@Matt.Willoughby Russian designation for RPO(РПО) class of weapons, реактивный пехотный огнемёт, literally translates as "Rocket-propelled Infantry Flamethrower". They are thermobaric weapons, and have been used extensively in Ukraine, especially for attacking fortified positions.

[@cepishmohnoril]

Also Ukraine has thermobaric grenades of it`s own manufacture. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXSmmISKZZeboLc

[@MPrybil]

Ryan one of the things which makes your channel great is that you know and admit you strengths and weakness’s so you bring in experts in those needed areas instead of trying to freak it!

[@philchristmas4071]

Glad to see you have Matsimus on, I've been watching his content for a while.

[@sarcasmo57]

King of the battlefield.

[@_Matsimus_]

UBIQUE

[@Sembazuru]

Something that I find amazing with regards to guided artillery shells is the durability of the circuitry and control surfaces inside the shell. I work in electronics and the engineering behind keeping the electronics functional in the acceleration of firing. How many hundreds of gs does a shell experience going from standstill to muzzle velocity in just the length of the barrel? Imagine subjecting your smart phone to the same number of gs. The phone would be in tiny pieces.

[@Wick9876]

IIRC, it's not hundreds -- it's tens of thousands. A 155mm/52 barrel would be 8.06 meters long and have a muzzle velocity of maybe 1200m/s. The average velocity in the tube should be half the muzzle's so 2*8/1200 = 0.13 seconds. A = 2V/T^2/9.8 = 14491 G if I haven't mucked anything up.

[@panan7777]

Read about an absolute game changer that the proximity fuse for AA shells was in Pacific. They crammed miniature VACUUM TUBES into every shell. Imagine doing this in 1944 and for tens of thousands rounds. They were reacting to the metal in planes and wiped the sky of Japanese planes.

[@markfilippone3845]

Dear Ryan, watching this video was pure pleasure. You being the host/moderator was brilliant. Your varied panel of experts on your guest list concept is a wonderful concert. Nicely paced and taught by experts (not wannabe dumb heads) is an excellent technique. Kudos, Brother!

[@breadman32398]

Not sure what nukes have to do with m1 garand pings. VSO went on a rant.

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

Short answer VSO it’s kind of an idiot.

[@DerLangolier]

Basically, war is noisy... You ain't gonna hear it.

[@robgilbert3395]

Great video! I know lots of work goes into this. I am intrigued about artillery fire on the move. Thanks very much.

[@exharkhun5605]

Matsimus, isn't wheeled artillery more of a replacement for towed artillery? With the latter (towed) becoming the real niche, for when you need to helicopter something on to a mountain top or somewhere really inaccessible.

[@_Matsimus_]

Very true

[@petergerdes1094]

Matsimus was there an investigation when your vehicle rolled during those night manuevers? Any equivalent of Canadian CID involved?

[@_Matsimus_]

Yes there was. Nothing came from it

[@Stringbean219]

Great to see Matsimus on the show!

[@_Matsimus_]

❤

[@Jeff55369]

iirc, flame throwers are currently considered a warcrime. The us used them in vietnam too.

[@joeylandry4933]

After listening to my father in law who fought in ww2 in the hedgerows against the Germans, I believe that since they were so close to the Germans constantly shooting at them they perceived that clip pinging and flying up as a huge red flag that pinpointed their location to the enemy. As one of my instructors once said, it’s all in your individual perception.

[@BrettBaker-uk4te]

I have heard it was soldiers who didn't think a semi-automatic was reliable enough made that up before they saw combat.

[@orionide4032]

You are not going to hear that over your last 306 round firing at you.

[@ajc5479]

Yeah, I imagine if your are the one firing the M1 and hear the ping, you will automatically think everyone else will hear and know.

[@Rylus571]

I heard stories from veterans on some documentaries that they would intentionally drop an empty clip to get the ping and trick the Germans to come out and take a shot only to get met with a fully loaded rifle.

[@LeCharles07]

@@ajc5479 Like when I'm grabing a snack at 2am and drop a fork. ;)

[@indyawichofficial1346]

Always appreciated, thank you !

[@MegaBanne]

The crew of the Archer is just as protected as that of any tracked artillery. It also protects the crew from any potential cook off, since that would happen at the far side of the truck. Archer is also far better adapted for muddy terrain than the CAESAR is.

[@Kazath]

Yeah, it's important to remember that current versions of ARCHER is mounted on a dumper/articulated hauler, not a truck. Though they're not as off-road mobile as a tracked system, they're a lot better than a trucked one. Articulated haulers are routinely used in terrain where a truck would be completely useless.

[@mikaelrolland5843]

Haven't watched much of your content but this vid was fascinating, I really enjoyed both of your guests and hearing from their expertise.

[@rogerd777]

Another great video. I own 2 M1 Garands, and they are awesome to shoot. I feel like I have a connection with my dad, who was a WWII veteran. Thanks to the Civilian Marksmanship Program, people can get their hands on these pieces of history.

[@izamalcadosa2951]

Great video, Ryan!! Your guests are top notch experts and guys!!

[@kaptainkrunch6179]

The VSO guy rambled so much that I forgot what the question was in the middle of his Japanese rant.

[@ognjenbegicevic6298]

Wheeled artillery also struggles in snow. In sweden it has been shown that pre plowed shooting sites are needed to fully utilize the mobility of wheeled arty.

[@jp1563]

Kamikazee runs seem crazy, until you look at the loss rate of planes and pilots when trying to do a bombing run on a carrier or battleship that had air cover. A HUGE number of planes making those WWII bombing runs were downed and pilots killed.

[@jamesricker3997]

The Japanese did the math and found out with kamikazes. They lost fewer man and aircraft per hit

[@jjhead431]

@Marc van den Boogaard The Kamikaze has morphed into the modern cruise missile.

[@LeCharles07]

@Marc van den Boogaard I think the V1 is technically the first cruise missile but like most wunderwaffe, it wouldn't see further development till well into the post-war.

[@dirtyaznstyle4156]

@@LeCharles07 v2 was where it’s was at, ballistic! Nuclear doctrine and going to space!

[@channel1.946]

count the numbers and see. not in u.s. favour. and navy got lucky - they just received proximity fuse for aaa, without which kamikaze losses would be a few times lower, and us navy - few times higher. germany one/only kamikaze intersept was more seccesful, then regular ones. nobody willing to admit and say it aloud, but run the numbers

[@blackpowderriflehunter7573]

They had rifle grenades in WWII that do the same thing as modern 40mm grenades.

[@oveidasinclair982]

As usual, another excellent production

[@josephcernansky1794]

27 pound shield......gallon of water weighs 8.34 pounds.....hold a 3 gallon bucket of water for several minutes at shoulder height in front of you......have fun, enjoy the workout!

[@LordBloodraven]

I'd argue the Japanese were more likely to take advantage of the M1's Ping when using their guerilla tactics to get close to US soldiers. However, it would be such an exclusively contextual situation that the Ping's audible giveaway would still be astronomically rare.

[@LeCharles07]

Also, the giant 30-06 casing exploding out the front of the gun does tend to mask the sound pretty well to anyone in front.

[@dirtyaznstyle4156]

They would have to be that close, sneaking up on them during an active firefight. Are you crazy? That would assume they had cover to even sneak up on the position let alone flank or attack from the rear. Cause you’re definitely not making a full frontal sneak attack. And with at least 8 guys firing M1’s, a BAR, and .45 acp Thompsons all going off you would have to be in the trench with them to hear the ping

[@dirtyaznstyle4156]

@@LeCharles07 🤨

[@themoonman-4]

Bravo to everyone! Thank You! Ryan

[@KaDaJxClonE]

I do think the future of artillery is self propelled. Towed arty is a lot of extra equipment, but simpler equipment. The only equipment that matters is the equipment that makes it to the fight (tiger-panzer syndrome). Self propelled is also much more survivable because it is able to out duel near peer equivalents.

[@charlesgillette2925]

Love this type of video. Excellent answers from them that know. Well done SIR.

[@nicholasavasthi9879]

Flamethrowers were used after the Second World War most notably in Vietnam. They are still standard weapons in the Vietnamese, Brazilian, and Myanmar armies, and the Myanmar military has used them against resistance forces and civilians in the current civil war. They seem to mostly be useful in jungle warfare these days judging by which forces keep them around.

[@JamesPhieffer]

For these militaries they're basically a terror weapon for use against insurgents. Much different than using them against anything resembling trained opposition.

[@antskilu1354]

flamethrowers were used in tanks and not for the trenches but light up the 5 story building so that smoke makes impossible to breed inside , shmel thermobolic is modern flamethrower dude

[@Lasenggo]

For the M1 ping, I remember Bloke on the range doing some practical experiments about that

[@--Dani]

Good to see Mat brought in👍

[@TukikoTroy]

Re flamethrowers, their use also had a profound psychological effect on the men using them. Being so close up, they got to witness the horrific sight of people burning to death right in front of them. LOL as for the Desert conflict question... I think the guy just wanted to hear how awesomely fast the Americans could win the war. Your gun guy sure took his time answering the question... talking of question, I think I can answer his about 'why the American Government might want to take your semi-automatic rifle away' Maybeeee... maybeeee... so it could give a second or two more for the panicking innocent people to get away from him?

[@RobinTheBot]

Yeah... Total waste of time. I went ahead and skipped his entire segment after I realized he was just going to answer it at the end. Which he did. Terrible presentation... And still found room for off topic political partisan nonsense.

[@dirtyaznstyle4156]

It’s not because the military’s 3 round burst or full auto is inferior and they’re plotting tyranny?

[@dirtyaznstyle4156]

@@RobinTheBot I thought it was decent minus the political line. Very in depth, the kind of answer where you learn more than just “no, you’re deaf fool!” Which is kinda common sense if you’ve been on a rifle range and took out your ear pro sitting behind the line especially if it’s under cover. Can you hear the ping? 😂

[@jamesolbrisch2582]

For the M1 ping question. My grandpa fought on the "other side" side no they never realy heard the ping, and when I asked if they heard it and would they shoot, he said "are you crazy? No! Because there were always more than on Ami and you would be shot by his buddy"

[@riku3716]

Aren't wheeled vehicles (artillery included) also cheaper overal and easier to maintain than tracked ones? Then there is the fact you also need to transport the ammunition supplies to the gun and tracked mobility doesn't help quite as much if you need to get to wheeled vehicle for a reload.

[@jjhead431]

So...Tracked resupply vehicles aren't a thing?

[@riku3716]

@@jjhead431 Possible, but cost and maintenance would then be worse and for resupply/transport vehicles the longer distance road mobility would presumably be even more important than the gun itself.

[@mugsnvicki]

Totally fascinating!! Well done Ryan and guests!!!

[@Snarcksa]

I have never seen a quick reload of a Garand more certain to result in a "Garand Thumb". There's a reason the manual says to push the clip in with your tight hand, while holding the bolt back with the side of your palm.

[@Wadser]

This is a well technically answer haha. I've tried on my M1 loading without using my palm as a safety and it does work. But I can totally see when you're palm sweaty mom spaghetti easily fumbling the reload and trapping your thumb.

[@mjsubterra]

Thanks Ryan, just connected to the Atlas VPN. Nice one.

[@adonoghuea02]

I think the best thing about, not just this video, but your whole channel, is that when you do not know, you dont guess, you find somone who does.

[@jec6613]

Interesting bit about the Garand - while there are zero known firsthand reports of the ping being a problem, there were many reports in the Korean war of the loud safety being a problem. When Americans were waiting to ambush an enemy, the clicking off of the safety was loud enough that they could hear and execute counter-ambush before the Americans could open fire. To the point that a quieter safety was a design requirement of the then in development M-14 and has remained in US military firearms design ever since.

[@Cyrribrae]

huh really? Interesting.. know any videos that show that off?

[@dirtyaznstyle4156]

How ironic, I’d be sitting there with the safety off long before they were in earshot. You can’t ambush someone that walks right up on you, you need to see them coming in which case they should be far enough away to not hear that click. Sound travels further in cold air so I can see the range you can hear that being further.

[@jec6613]

@@dirtyaznstyle4156 yeah, the cold and lack of tree cover in Korea as compared to the island hopping or western ETO during the second world war is likely why it only showed up as a major complaint in Korea. And if you've ever shot a factory fresh or re-armored Garand, you know the safety could be heard from a couple of hundred yards away on a cold night and has a very distinctive sound.

[@dirtyaznstyle4156]

@@jec6613 that’s gotta be the loudest safety ever then 😂 wish I had one just to see how the safety functions and why it’s so loud. I’d be clicking it on and off all the time when not on patrol, break it in some.

[@ramunasbajorinas7686]

Why watching fights in trenches I never see submashine guns? In some cases would P90 or MP7 have an advantage?

[@happydan20]

I appreciate you bringing on experts but the guy word salading about guns couldn't make a coherent point to save his life.

[@Matt.Willoughby]

I didn't realise mobile artillery could actually fire while on the move, that's super cool

[@johnridout6540]

KMW in Germany has started manufacture of RCH 155 for Ukraine. It can fire on the move.

[@iivin4233]

I have heard that thermobaric rockets, and just normal rockets, are used to clear bunkers where flamethrowers may have been used in the past. It's all stomach turning stuff either way.

[@mementomori7825]

Drone dropped thermobaric hand grenades

[@jkotekvolnycz]

Yes, there are thermobaric projectiles for RPG-7.

[@jonhuber631]

Thank you Ryan- very informative.Thank you to your guests as well.

[@Idealdeath8304]

Matsimus is awesome

[@garyK.45ACP]

A similar way to look at NATO artillery is to consider rifle cartridges. A .30-06, .308, .300 Winchester Magnum and .300 Savage are all _.30 caliber_ cartridges and can all fire the *same bullets*, they can even use the same propellants, but the amount of propellent charges vary and the chambers sized for the containers of propellents (cartridge casings), specifics of the rifle firing them (and artillery pieces ARE rifles) vary tremendously. In short...if you found yourself in battle with a .308 (7.62 NATO) chambered rifle and a truckload of .30-06 cartridges...you're f*cked! While 155mm is a standard NATO artillery _bore diameter,_ the powder charges vary by the individual guns

[@_Matsimus_]

Good comparison sir

[@brocephus1107]

The Gulf War was as impressive as it was mainly because the coalition forces could navigate the open desert while the Iraqis didn't even know it was possible. Coalition forces did superb work in 1991, but they had the privilege of showing up exactly where the Iraqis counted on being an impenetrable barren desert. The Iraqi lines didn't have to be broken when they could just be circled then eliminated. In Ukraine, that wouldn't be an option without maybe an amphibious landing

[@Texas240]

Except... You're missing the most critical component of Iraq 1, the initial air storm to knock out gbad and c&c. If Ukraine had access to the US store of cruise missiles and air force, they could do the same thing, decimate Russian air defenses and command n control in Ukraine. If Ukraine simply had access to the skies with their current aircraft, they'd be much better off, let alone with what the US air power could do.

[@LeCharles07]

@@Texas240 "If Ukraine had access to the US store of cruse missiles and air force" Russia would never have invaded. 🙃 It's worth pointing out that the cic is in Russia. Most Russian aircraft don't even enter Ukrainian airspace anymore; they fire from the Russian or Belarusian side of the border. If Russia hadn't been so incompetent they could have hit Ukraine how NATO hit Iraq. ~1 month is all it took to turn the combat hardened, 4th largest army in the world to a burning pile of scrap. #violenceofaction

[@nvelsen1975]

@@Texas240 That remains open to question. NATO doctrine requires on superlative airforces and once a NATO force gains air supremacy, you might as well surrender, true. But for that reason the entire Soviet doctrine was built around superlative GBAD assets to deny the use of the airspace. You're not going to be able to just going to fly around and delete al their AA assets casually, no matter what you bring to the fight. If you're being tracked by two Flap Lids, your chances aren't looking too good, and there's no real avoiding them either. I mean, why do you think stealth was developed? Air power vs AA was becoming a failed concept.

[@Texas240]

@@nvelsen1975 - you ignored the cruise missile point entirely.

[@jgw9990]

​@@nvelsen1975 SEAD to kill enemy air defences have existed for decades. Stealth has improved aircraft survival against AA, but there are other methods of dismantling air defences available. Air defence is a lot like a minefield but for the air, and while that's useful they have the same weakness which is that you can clear a path through them - you don't need to destroy all the mines.

[@ayfsung]

Thanks for answering my supply question! As General Omar Bradley famously said: “Amateurs talk strategy. Professionals talk logistics.

[@benrollo9034]

I gotta say I didn't like the gun expert. Nothing against what he had to say but I come here for more nuanced explanations. He spent a lot of time on things that weren't the actual details of the question. I was hoping he would speak on German or Japanese sources on the matter. Rather than just reason through the answer.

[@Ac22768]

Ryan - while we did have a coalition of forces during Desert Storm, the US was the overwhelming majority for the air campaign. It has been regarded as being the most successful air campaign in history, and I believe this could and should have been done in the Ukraine conflict. It would have spared hundreds of thousands of lives.

[@barthoving2053]

Or a full military invention would have unleashed a nuclear exchange. Even deploying enough airpower to intervene in Ukraine would take time and require landbasing as carriers would not be allowed in the Black Sea. Which means a coalition anyway. An air campagne might had to extended to large part isf not the whole of Russia to be effective, increasing even further the chance Putin pushes the nuclear button.

[@OmmerSyssel]

​@@barthoving2053find it confusing why some are scared of RuZZian nuclear weapons, while ignoring our own superiority? Next to that, which part of RuZZias military has actually delivered as feared?

[@barthoving2053]

@@OmmerSyssel It's a matter of stakes. Even if only one thermo nuclear detonates over a major US city, that would unacceptable for US citizens. Because a wrong prediction can have such a big result, even a small chance is enough to deter the US.

[@Jack_Redview]

Hey Ryan, love your channel but while I agree on his stance at 13:30 - 13:45 about “why america wants to take your semi” Let’s keep politics off your channel my guy. You’re a beacon of truth and information, silly unnecessary comments like these WILL politicize thing’s unnecessarily. No one’s taking my guns, but also I don’t come to your channel to be in a echo chamber Thanks Ryan

[@PaxSierra]

"Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be an ugly brawl"

[@jamesolbrisch2582]

In 2003 in the invasion we brought 2 extra tanks and 2 extra Bradley's with us. They stripped one crewman from each vehicle in the platoon to man then we called them ORFs or orphans they were our "extra" vehicles in the event we had a battlefield loss, when we realized that we were not going up against Iraq armor they turned into mobile parts and we cannibalize them to keep the platoons vehicles up

[@OmmerSyssel]

Read somewhere that the stability of those tanks were surprisingly low...

[@adissabovic]

5:32 Russians thought that they could take Kiev in two weeks. Back in 2014. "Taking Kiev in three days", those are the words of some american general, Col. Doug Macgregor knows his name, I keep forgeting it. :)

[@kurtwicklund8901]

Please never ask the VSO guy back.

[@SCH292]

Did he destroyed your M1 PING myth fantasy and slap you with some basic gun terminology?

[@dray7579]

HIGHLY MOTIVED, SUPERRR DEDICATED, AIR ASSAULT SOLDIERS IN THE HOLE DRILL SERGEANT.

[@marcusm808]

From interviews with WWII flamethrower operators there were two really big downsides that might not be obvious from war footage. The smell of the fuel and fumes made the operators sick, and if a flamethrower took a round it could kill the operator in a ball of flames. The tanks have to be pressurized in order to push the fuel so imagine having tanks of fuel that explode if they get shot on your back.

[@tarkov_6]

They were also likely to be shot if they tried to surrender..

[@Navigator2166]

Fascinating! Thanks Ryan

[@SandmanAlpha4]

Thank you for supporting ULTRA we need everything we can get here. Almost offensive time.

[@totocall1999]

Maybe not let your guest host spend more time than you talking. I prefer your quick-take answers, rather than a long-form response. I was interested in the Garand answer, but ended up fast forwarding.

[@Maxaldojo]

Hella yes, Ryan. Good episode and great guest experts!

[@MostlyPennyCat]

As far as i can tell, most Americans (70%+) want semi automatics gone too. So it's not "the gubmint" trying to do it. Still leaves you with bolt, lever and revolver, I'm sure you'd be fine! 😂😉😉😉

[@AlexiDragomir]

VSO needs to educate himself on the nature of Japan's surrender during WW2- an invasion was never going to be necessary and the atomic bombings didn't matter to the Japanese as much as preserving the institution of the emperor.

[@stephenjacks8196]

The gun nut was an unnecessary section. Down vote.

[@cmbara102]

Ryan and Matsimus on the same video, holy shit.

[@purestdj]

Haha, 'Why do you think the government wants to take away your semi automatic rifles?' Uh? Maybe because of the crazy amount of mass shootings? No it couldn't be that.

[@dray7579]

Hail, o' Hail, Artillery! King of battle follow me!

[@freemti62]

I stopped watching after the VSO Gun Channel guy started trotting out the usual conspiracy nut "they're coming for our guns" stuff. I realize that you yourself are pro gun, but it has always been with a small g. It is a shame you invited this kind of person as a guest on your otherwise excellent channel. Maybe offer a warning up front if you plan to have guests like this in the future.

[@frenchbroad1431]

RIGHT ON I also complained about it and guess what, my comment disappeared.

[@verrico7536]

Yoooo! Two of my fav youtubers collabing. Wild

[@almerindaromeira8352]

I'm not arguing for the flamethrower, but if they were to be built now, they wouldn't weight 70lbs or whatever you said in the video.

[@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming]

Good luck with your trip to Dallas Ryan. I needed to resubscribe to my old VPN and purchased Atlas VPN through your link. I appreciate your work.

[@rufusrizzo78]

Thanks for bring more people on!