Gay Superheroes: Queerbaiting And Camp

[@Raya-xw5ud]

"Maybe we could have as many diverse superheros as we do white actors called Chris in the MCU." That got me lol damn. Idk whether to laugh or cry.

[@guillemmartinez9958]

The fact that they just keep adding more AND that even DC tried their shot with Chris Pine like. It cannot be a coincidence

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

It’s the best quote 😂

[@adrianodrika]

I'm not pretty sure if we have all that diversity under the LGBTQIA+ umbrella. As would say Mr Satan: Is over 9000. Rsrsrsrs

[@Burnthiswitch]

Sadly enough, not gonna happen XD Kollektivet was right with their parody song "Superheroes can't be gay".

[@FAInsanity]

@@SebastianSeanCrow .,....

[@asdfqwertA]

Lego Joker is the icon we never knew we needed

[@aufgehts5]

knew

[@EtherealAmoeba]

Not the one we deserved, but the one we needed. (arguably)

[@i_escaped_area_5128]

Normally, I don't like Batman and Joker ships (because Joker is a psychotic asshole), but I really do ship Lego Batman and Joker. Joker is adorable, and is extremely bi/gay in that movie.

[@Hey-Its-Dingo]

I love how the entire arc of Batman's character in LEGO is that accepting his queerness and feelings for the Joker is the right thing to do, when read from a queer lense.

[@movieblocks9164]

Harleys a better icon. Jk. LEGO joker is best

[@WeShallLoveOn]

Omfg the "not straight people orbiting eachother" is too real lmao once I came out as Bi one of my friends texted me like "wait but you were my last 'straight' friend'"

[@gnu740]

I feel personally attacked. Sure, my friend group from high school contains a statistically unlikely percentage of queer people... But that's just coincidence!

[@OverlyPositiveFanboy]

I'd love to be the "token straight" in a friendship group, but I also just don't socialise much. Then again, I'd never even think to ask my friends what their sexuality was anyway, so I'd have no way of knowing regardless.

[@purplepachi9191]

Not @ your friend treating you like a endangered species💀💀✋

[@kurootsuki3326]

its so real that i now lowkey wonder abt any of my straight friends

[@arol1644]

@@gnu740 same, lol

[@biancabrooks280]

“He’s not a lesbian, but we won’t hold that against him” 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@azulBjort_1406]

😂😂😂

[@zapazap]

I would hope not. It would be bloody regressive, no?

[@warrengraham5145]

I'm embarrassed for Marvel already, Steve and Bucky deserved better.

[@justamaninthisworld2742]

but muh "I dont think I will" captain america meme!!!!!!

[@clairekim2525]

One of my favorite clips on the internet is from some Avengers-related convention, where Chris Evans is asked what Steve would do if he had the time stone (pre-Endgame obviously). He looked kind of like he didn’t want to spoil anything, but he answered that in that hypothetical situation Steve would go back to be with Peggy. IMMEDIATELY someone shouted “what about Bucky?” and the entire stadium just started chanting “Bucky! Bucky! Bucky!” I can’t for the life of me remember where this video is from, but I’ve never been so proud of a giant crowd of Chinese Avengers fans.

[@guillemmartinez9958]

@@clairekim2525 Americans: we cannot write gay superheroes because China is so conservative China: BUT WHAT ABOUT BUCKY

[@clairekim2525]

@@guillemmartinez9958 FOR REAL 💀

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@guillemmartinez9958 But Bucky isn’t gay...

[@thmstbst]

The "Deprogramming" of Bucky reads a lot like recovering from conversion therapy to me. Did anyone else see that?

[@babyjki444]

ooooohhh

[@guillemmartinez9958]

100% the only thing on my mind

[@Thed538dhsk]

I thought more mk ultra...brainwashing cia spy stuff Manchurian candidate?

[@maem7462]

I didn’t think about that but it can be

[@diegoestmar559]

Well, Bucky was literally “converted” into being another person.

[@irispartlan9678]

Just thinking about how “I’m with you til the end of the line” is really f***ing undercut by Steve’s decision to peace out at the end of End Game. FATWS showed how much Steve’s absence shook Bucky to his core, especially with Bucky’s admission in couples therapy with Sam. Bucky misses Steve every day.

[@KeitieKalopsia]

It was really unfortunate, but the studio had limited options since, at least as far as I heard, Chris Evans wanted to stop playing as Captain America. I’m not saying it was a good move by the studio, just that it is a little understandable.

[@curtismurphy6206]

And as also admitted my Bucky, he knew and approved of Steve's choice, showing they talked about it.

[@alicesmith255]

@@KeitieKalopsia I think the core of the complaining is not that it could have continued as it was, but that even within the restrictions of "the actor is stepping down from the role" there's plenty of ways they could have handled it without butchering what they built up for the character (or characters) so much, one option is to have had him retire by giving the shield and just have him stay as a civilian in the present. He doesn't need to be seen in FATWS, however that show would now look like, even if it was a conspicuouus absence from being in front of the camera I think it would have fit better than "Steve "I think today I will go to war with 100+ countries for my pal and my morals and my buddy" Rogers goes back in time because he just remembered he had a compass with a picture of Peggy and stays in the past possibly without meddling with things he knows are gonna happen including the whole ordeal of Bucky being alive and tortured"

[@virginiafernandez6846]

Media: *Barely gives has compelling female characters interacting with guys* *doesn't give us meaningful interactions between males and females* *barely gives us decent female characters* Us: *ship m/m ships* Media: *suprised pikachu face*

[@Citadel1221]

This!! 100% EXACTLY!

[@lindenshepherd6085]

This (aside from fetishization) is one of the main reasons I think a lot of mlm shippers are usually straight women.

[@letmebeapariah]

@@lindenshepherd6085 they’re young bi girls

[@Zoe-ko3us]

I will neeever forgive Sony for firing Andrew Garfield for saying that about Spider-man

[@islandeatssand684]

Wait lmao that's why they fired him?

[@mtheory-pilemon7211]

@@islandeatssand684 Yup, basically. The "official reason" is because he didn't attend some event in Brazil because he was sick. Sure buddy, *that* is why you fired him.

[@avsambart]

Ommmg is that why he got dropped?! 😲

[@UmbraKrameri]

I think it would be better for everyone if the rights just went back to Marvel. Sony botched up the Andrew Garfield reboot so bad that they really should not call the shots on this character anymore. And yeah, it is especially sad because Andrew was so excited to play this character, he was a real fan before the movies and you can see in current interviews whenever his time as Spider-Man comes up, that it just broke his heart that he couldn't do the character justice and the whole experience broke his spirit somewhat. I am so glad for him that he found his way in more indie productions.

[@v4leree]

wait im lost lmao what did he say??

[@elianamears1260]

When they outright use classic romantic tropes like ending up chest to chest or going to couples therapy etc., but it's not gay, and then Bucky says hi to Sarah and suddenly it's flirting is outrageous.

[@stinkypoopybutt123]

totally agree (also i like your profile picture)

[@grimmreaper1594]

It's because haha gay people funny

[@nea.bug_929]

@elianamears1260 ik this comment is super old but I love your pfp, I’ve never seen a Nevermoor fan in the wild before lol

[@hakasims]

The idea that Steve has been fixated on a woman he shared one kiss with is astounding. They had a meaningful connection, and I'm sure he'd marry her in two days if he hadn't become a Capsicle, but they'd known each other for a couple of months, and he was an Avenger for ten years. Even if we discount his frozen years, from his perspective Peggy was a very short, um, let's be generous and call it a fling, a whole decade ago. Then he learned that she'd lived a full life and had a family, and it still didn't change his desire to be with her. And don't forget that before the time travel was an option for Steve, the big straightening of his character got so ridiculous he smooched Sharon 15 minutes after finding out she was Peggy's niece. And then that dumb exchange ("That was..." - "Late.") as if to imply they'd had this strong attraction they should have acted on but had missed their chance. Bitch, where? And what about Peggy? A whole thirty years after Steve's disappearance she still had his picture on her desk? Such bullshit. You know, when Steve, who had been obsessed with giving Bucky a chance at redemption and normalcy, had left him behind with a bunch of mental health issues, not having spend a cumulative week with him, Bucky still ended up the least damaged out of the three, at least character-wise, since we're meant to believe Steve, having learned the history of the USA in the 20th century, decided to go back to the time of polio, boiled meat and no internet to live a normal, civilian life. Not to use his power to try and prevent all the US shit past 1945, but to "live in peace", whatever the fuck that means, because ten years of avenging surely earned him 70 years of deliberately ignoring all the evils of the country he once represented. Who would have thought that Natasha wouldn't be the only pointlessly murdered Avenger in Endgame?

[@Lisa_Flowers]

This is the most accurately scathing critique of the ending of Endgame and it's brilliant. They really screwed over Steve's entire character arc and everything they made him stand for just so they could avoid any possibility of him being anything other than deeply and fully heterosexual. Homophobia truly is one hell of a drug.

[@hakasims]

@@Lisa_Flowers I would have been able to live without Stucky being endgame (no pun intended) but the hack way they ended Steve’s arc just because Evans was leaving and they’d already given the heroic sacrifice to Tony is preposterous. But even before that they were so terrified of Steve not being completely 100% straight they botched the arc they were actually writing for him in the first place. In the MCU, Steve can’t stop being the “man out of time” and still can’t find himself in the present or relate to anyone from the 21st century. (I hate it and it’s stifling his character but whatever, it was their call to make.) Then he learns Bucky is alive, and not only does he genuinely want to save his friend, but Bucky becomes the epitome of his lost life in the past: if he can save Bucky, he can finally relate to someone and maybe find peace. Bucky is the symbol of Steve’s past and present coming together. And it becomes especially apparent when Peggy dies in Civil War: now Bucky truly is the last thread to the past because kissing a woman with Peggy’s DNA didn’t help. And then what happens at the end after Steve has saved Bucky? They literally put him on ice, and in the next three years Stucky never have a scene together, not a single one. A very awkward situation when Bucky is literally the only emotional anchor in Steve’s entire arc: now he doesn’t have one, so he becomes a secondary player in the Avengers movies while those become even more of a Tony Stark show. So of course his ending is hack and uninspired. I’ve been angry for two years. That’s my secret, Cap.

[@Lisa_Flowers]

@@hakasims YES OMG. This, literally all of this. It's unforgivable how they (rightfully) crafted an entire movie around Steve and Bucky's relationship, and how Bucky plays a part in Steve's life as a tie in to his past since they're both displaced in the present, and then botch all of it. Like Steve and Bucky are not only men out of time, they're also both super soldiers who have been used as weapons by entities bigger than them. They have so many rich parallels to explore and so many contrasts, so many ways they can develop their relationship from being two Brooklyn kids who have supported each other all their lives and fought in a war together and are now these huge mythicalized entities of 'Captain America' and 'The Winter Soldier' and they threw it ALL away. Even if you don't see them as a legitimate couple, what Marvel did to their relationship and their respective characters is just kind of unforgivable. Steve became less and less of a person and more of a shallow symbol tied together by unhealthy and inexplicable attachment to a heterosexual love interest he barely even knew. And not only did they botch Steve and Bucky's characters, they also screwed Peggy over by undoing all the character development she went through moving on from Steve in season 1 of her show, and boiled her down to a prize. Like I didn't realize how angry I was until I read a fanfic that did a far better job of constructing these characters as well-rounded human beings with actual arcs than a million dollar Marvel movie ever did. Like it _could_ have been amazing, it _could_ have made sense, a person with a laptop did it, but this huge company with crack writers didn't.

[@hakasims]

@@Lisa_Flowers and now Bucky has lost the same emotional achor as Steve, and he needs it even more than Steve did because he’s more displaced, more traumatized and has fewer connections to the present. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier exposed that even more with Bucky effortlessly sliding into Sam’s storyline as a supporting player but being totally lost in his own, very hastily concluded arc. Sam is a good friend but he can’t relate to Bucky on the fundamental level Steve could so he just ends up being Bucky’s therapist which is bad and shouldn’t happen because they’re friends.

[@yogurtofchaos6747]

@@Lisa_Flowers Can you link the fanfic? Since Endgame came out I kinda left the fandom but still sometimes read TWS-era fics for comfort and haven't read any fix-its for Endgame. Edit: You recommended "Not Easliy Conquered" in another comment, if that's the one you're talking about then I have already read it and agree that it was better than Endgame.

[@jcavalcante840]

remember when Billy Kaplan tried to come out as a young avenger to his biological parents and they thought he was coming out as gay and introducing Teddy as his bf

[@mikyprather-wiegardt]

Iconic!

[@Vivigreeny25]

I do not as I don't read comics but this sounds hilarious

[@LuMartinez001]

This is honestly one of my favorite moments from comics, is freaking perfect hahahaha.

[@katyk829]

Yes!

[@XescoPicas]

Now I wanna see the reverse of that. A comic in which someone tries to come out to their family as queer and, since they live in a superhero universe, their family first think he's trying to come out as a superhero. "Mom... dad... I'm..." "Oh my... Are you one of those costumed heroes?" "What?! No, I'm gay!" "Oh, thank God! Just don't go around fighting people with laser beams, ok? That's dangerous! Love you, son~"

[@Kate-bt7wk]

Bi-derman supremacy

[@talia1628]

Lmaooo

[@j_fenrir]

_I raise you ftm Bi-derman_

[@fishbrain9591]

@@j_fenrir We found it, the best Spiderman, we can all go home now

[@azuregriffin1116]

@@fishbrain9591 we have indeed.

[@sofi-ci5lq]

The fact that we are in 2021 but there isn’t any actual lead representation in the mcu is so embarrassing 😔🔫

[@novatalking]

@koreander sim MCU fucking sucks with representation. But I'm sure: Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, The Wasp, Captain Marvel, Dagger, Valkyrie, Quake, etc... are more than 1 woman. Complain about how they are written, don't ignore that they're there to push a narrative.

[@topaz_no_life9440]

it’s even more embarrassing that i can’t pull myself out of the mcu’s grasp despite that 😞😞😞

[@guillemmartinez9958]

@@novatalking pretty sure she meant 1 woman as in, one leading woman in the movies with a movie titled exclusively after her

[@jemstar63]

Disney loves China That’s about it

[@Thed538dhsk]

Why is it embarrassing. Where would a gay fit in the infinity saga and go based off the comics not fan fic sexuality bending

[@mxar2074]

The "couples therapy scene" was pretty messed up when you think about it. The characters are "forced" to stare at each other and touch. I feel like that's how some people see us. They think we're trying to force them to give us queer representation.

[@wittyblonde6728]

:(( that’s a point you got there. It makes me sad if that’s what they think because truly people just want to see themselves in film. Like for me being a “fat-girl” I rarely saw myself as a love interest then when I did it felt really empowering and that I was worthy of love. It may sound dumb but it really opened my eyes at the time.

[@aswery1031]

I mean, they kind of are. I’m not trying to be rude, I’m really not, but people want to see so many classic characters and their opposite sex significant other not be a thing because they are not gay. All of the representation will come. We have Valkyrie and Wiccan. And I’m sure many more.

[@ladynoluck]

@@aswery1031 they really aren’t. No one is asking that every or most characters should become gay and not be with their classical SOs from the comics (frankly, you could still have the same SOs and just make one bi/pan with no major effects, except letting a part of the population have a superhero or two that they know and that represents them for once, but anyway...). No one is asking for radical changes, not really. This very video describes why this movie version of Bucky would make sense to be gay (bc one of the characters he is based on is canonically gay). People sharing fun what-ifs that would make them happy to see is NOT the same as the people who are literally just going “can we please just have one superhero who is, visibly or vocally on screen, just like me? not just some out-of-movie note...” Please don’t conflate people having fun with a character and fanon with people who literally just beg for and want more positive representation in media for once. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. They are just asking and begging. Regardless, no one is forcing or could force a massive media conglomerate to do anything anyway...

[@aswery1031]

@@ladynoluck Well, it seems that way, but I see that some don’t want it to be forced. Personally, I don’t want Bucky to be gay. It won’t fit him. And with how much every company makes every lgbtq+ character super cringey, it won’t work, at least for me. Hopefully new characters will help represent the community, because everybody needs representation.

[@netbathetic]

I hate that scene with burning passion - they were mocking us

[@giovannacruz3746]

For real, there are twenty-something and counting MCU productions but the only rep we have is... nameless 🤦‍♀️ I was really looking forward bi Bucky

[@aegrajag]

We have Deanoru in Runaways

[@marocat4749]

And falcon?!

[@giovannacruz3746]

@@marocat4749 that couple would be a dream come true tbh

[@i_escaped_area_5128]

The creator of TFATWS said that Bucky isn't bi and there are more cut scenes of Sarah and Bucky flirting. I'm mad as hell.

[@Thed538dhsk]

You have hammer from iron man 2 confirmed gay at least in the mcu one shot all hail the king.

[@Rain-np7tk]

I'm glad I'm not alone in feeling the homoerotic undertones between sam and bucky

[@Thed538dhsk]

Bucky isn’t gay. I’ve gotten nothing against fan fic but come one he’s not gay. Trying to make stucky or bam pls stahp

[@maem7462]

Ikr. When I watched the show I wasn’t expecting to ship them but I ended up shipping them. There were definitely some gay undertones in the show especially with the couples theory. That one has no heterosexual explanation

[@maem7462]

@@Thed538dhsk You don’t know if Marvel’s version of Bucky is gay or not. He could be part of the LGBTQ+ community maybe bi, pan, Omni, etc. How do you know if he’s straight? Even if he typically has female love interests he could also be attracted to other genders. The person you replied to wasn’t trying to make the ship happen they were mostly just talking about the very obvious gay undertones. Whether or not you ship them you should notice that at least the couples therapy that Sam and Bucky did had very clear gay undertones

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@maem7462 I know he isn’t gay because they haven’t made him gay or 🏳️‍🌈 anywhere on the spectrum other than heterosexual and in the comics he isn’t. The undertones you speak of I do think are fans misreading gay moments that are played for laughs as cute romantic moments yet end up disappointed because it was more gay panic jokes such as oh look they are real close haha joke since they aren’t gay. Maybe Hollywood should stop relying on that kind of comedy but it seems to be what is made more than building up romantic moments for characters btw 2 coworking men can have couples counseling doesn’t mean they are gay just wanted to clarify

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@maem7462 Yah it does just 2 pals having couples counseling nothing gay about it. Bucky just wanted it to be close and sam obliged totally nothing gay about it

[@nocturne8333]

My poor Stucky filled heart is still really bitter about Marvel’s lack of representation.

[@AndroidInHumansClothing]

+

[@novak4082]

at least we'll always have the fanfics 😪

[@trixxartarchive7705]

Honestly I more shipped Sam and Bucky more than Steve and Bucky I don't know if that just because I just watched Falcon and The Winter Soldier

[@nocturne8333]

@@trixxartarchive7705, I completely get why it’s a popular ship and I definitely don’t mind it (I’ll take any representation I can get at this point!) I think I’m slightly biased as Stucky was one of the first ships I was introduced to as an open LGBTQ+ member 😅.

[@krisblaise8580]

It also just sucks because we don't have any badass MLM characters in anything as compared to all the WLW characters out there.

[@acehealer4212]

If Marvel Studios makes another X-Men movie and Iceman gets str8-washed, we’re gonna have some problems, Marvel.

[@Thed538dhsk]

What are you talking about?! He was gay washed instead of just making him a bisexual king they had jean womansplain to him he was gay👀

[@acehealer4212]

@@Thed538dhsk Yeah, his outing scene was poorly handled. Still, while I understand bi people being frustrated with how little representation they get, I am happy Bobby was retconned into being gay. I think it's believable that a closeted man would keep trying and failing to maintain relationships with women.

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@acehealer4212 I don’t have an issue with him being closeted. I have an issue with jean being rude and reading his thoughts and telling him he is gay. Let’s try to reverse it and jean told a nearly 60 year old character who was portrayed as gay almost that whole time he was heterosexual and he says no he’s gay only for her to then argue with him and say no he’s def heterosexual. It’d be such a slap in the face to the characters history. It’s not even an alternate universe Bobby but 616 if I’m not mistaken. Just have him be bi and be scared of his gay side and exploring guys and that romantic avenue for new stories instead of the way they did it y’know

[@Mitsu2040]

@@Thed538dhsk I'm with you on this. Having a character like, say, Shatterstar who was not known to be either straight or gay come out as gay was fine because they were just telling us something about him that we didn't know about. But Bobby had relationships and apparently also had sex with women (Mystique?). Having him be bisexual would not break lore (in fact it would make sense) and it wouldn't diminish his relationships with the women he cared for.

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@Mitsu2040 Exactly! And there is nothing wrong with have a character like Bobby be bisexual and explore storylines with him being with men and maybe how it’s different possibly healthier than his relationships with women which has been a little messy over his comic book history. There is nothing wrong with having shatterstar be gay and just explore storylines about that. I think the problem is really the writers don’t know what to do. Take birds of prey, why not have Harley Quinn have adventures with ivy after breaking up with joker or even in the mcu why not show Valkyrie being cozy with women and or guys. I think it all ends up messy because the writers really don’t know what to do with these great characters we can have for representation without having to change Heterosexual characters. Both DC and marvel are guilty of not utilizing fantastic and interesting lgbtq+ characters and it’s a shame even in the comics sometimes it gets messy

[@tempvsfrangit3854]

According to all of the Norse mythology, Loki is father to many of the "monsters" (Fenrir, Jormungandr) and a few humanoid beings, but "he" also was the mother (and thus gave birth) to Odin's famous steed, Sleipnir (yes, Loki "got it" from a horse).

[@Sienisota]

@@lued123 Wasn't Sleipnir a king/god of horses? So a total badass ultimate horse.

[@ahhh4117]

@@Sienisota Thor: hey loki distract the horse god Loki: Ok * becomes female horse* Loki: * Neighs Seductively* Horse God: Hey Shawty wanna head on over to my stable tonight? Loki: * ENDS UP FUKKING HORSE PREGNANT*

[@ahhh4117]

@Annabelle zzstu Lane cool thanks 8)

[@victorthevampire4129]

The completely straight friend group reasoning reminded me of love simon, an amazing movie but istg for the entire movie I thought the two girls were going to end up together, they were clearly so close with eachother and major pining romantically coded moments between the two happened, and yet the only gays in the friend group were the two that end up together

[@harithameyyappan5570]

In the books, the girls actually end up together.

[@ChibiRandom13]

I really recommend the books in the case of "love, simon" it was literally made more palatable for a straight audience. The book is literally called "Simon vs. the homo sapien agenda" and the sequel "Leah on the Offbeat" follows Leah in her own journey with her sexuality

[@victorthevampire4129]

@@ChibiRandom13 I will definitely do that^^

[@wandanemer2630]

I really love your name and pic, by the way!

[@UmbraKrameri]

I haven't read the second book, but I think in it Leah will come out as well, I think? I kind of hoped there will be an adaptation for that book as well, since Love, Simon was so popular. Yeah, the other commenters already confirmed it.

[@lavendarcrash2941]

"But why should we make existing characters gay?!" Because 👏 Maybe 👏 They 👏 Were 👏 In 👏 The 👏 Closet 👏 Hiding 👏 From 👏 You

[@arol1644]

I love this 💅

[@zapazap]

Is the character then the same character?

[@shrimpgod145]

@@zapazap Literally yes??? They're still the same person, with the same beliefs, personality and traits, all that changes is who they love and are attracted to, which does not change who a person is

[@zapazap]

@@shrimpgod145 It is an odd definition of 'trait' to me than excludes who a person is attracted to. I take 'trait' to mean 'property', which I take to mean 'that which can be attributed to' or 'asserted of'. Perhaps you are using the term 'trait' in a different sense than how I understand it.

[@zapazap]

@@shrimpgod145 I would have used the word 'similar' rather than 'same'. When you look at the reimaginings of the Sherlock Holmes character (e.g. the TV show _Elementary_ ) I would say that this is a _similar_ character to the character portrayed by Jeremy Brett, not the _same_ character. Of course we can quibble with words. What is important is what we entail (or mean to entail) by the words. Some people simply do not like 'making [established beloved] characters to be' anything that they were not before. (If a fictional character was 'in the closet hiding' from a fan (which makes little sense unless we are doing some strange Deadpool type narrative), then the character is not 'made to be gay' because the character was already gay. He might not have been coded gay, but was already, on the premise of having been 'in the closet'.)

[@oj5015]

And the fact is, in many Asian countries, LGBT acceptance and representation in media is doing quite well. Numerous regions and nations in Asia have established laws protecting same sex couples (though countries’ participation in anti-discriminatory regulations is not to the extent as the western world due to ingrained discrimination in older generations) and with notable series and movies like < the Untamed 陈情令 >, < 蓝宇 >, and < 流金岁月 > in just China alone, it seems like blaming the underrepresentation of LGBT characters in the media on Asian markets seems outdated and stereotypically derogatory at best. The “What about China?” argument simply doesn’t stand anymore.

[@franksonatra]

Where in Asia? It's a huge continent. And things aren't getting better in my country (Indonesia) at all...

[@oj5015]

@@franksonatra That’s true, many countries still have a LONG way to go for equality. I’m just saying that the “East Asia market will be lost” excuse simply doesn’t, and SHOULDNT, stand anymore.

[@annoyingginger5077]

The Untamed's source material is now getting an official English translation, the first volume is out now and the book is great, it's even got a guide to some things which were previously confusing to me at least.

[@saraperpetua1093]

Oh

[@Zvane100]

Bucky deserved better...one of the directors (I think, might be wrong about her role) said the thing about the tigers as "Bucky doesn't understanding tech"...I got really mad

[@abigaelbrooks2558]

For real like... If Bucky was so bad at tech how was he able to track down the flag smashers with just an iPhone- the man literally lived in Wakanda he should be able to use technology. It was just an excuse to make lgbtq people feel bad about themselves

[@nataliemccarthy9140]

@@abigaelbrooks2558 Also He doesn't need to be good with technology to know what a fucking tiger is!!!!!

[@letmebeapariah]

@@nataliemccarthy9140 no duh

[@Dionysian.Cryptid]

I'm not gonna lie, Lego Batman Joker is my favourite Joker and a contributing factor definitely is the gay aspect.

[@eves.2255]

he’s definitively the best theres no contest

[@aimeemariet]

Oh man I want to see Rowan tear apart Seduction of the Innocent.

[@aimeemariet]

@@rahjabaumann8826 If I recall, and it has been a long time since I tried to read it, 2+ decades, he plays the Devil's Advocate quite a bit. But I do wonder how 2021 me will parse the work vs 1998 me. I don't even like the same types of comic books I did back then! I'll go get a copy from the library.

[@WizardLizzard]

It's just so sad that the MCU keeps falling ass backwards into such good potentially fufilling LGBT+ representation... and then they keep delibrately fucking it up by killing them off (I'm so salty about Maria it's unreal) or other nonsense like time travelling to be with your old flame that canonically moved on 😭

[@youraveragemusicperson2176]

It would have been sooo easy for them to confirm Carol and Maria as a couple, they had so much organic chemistry and literally raised a child together, wtf. and then they just killed Maria for no good reason. I'm still upset over this.

[@shadowzach00]

unfortunately there's alot countries that are anti gay they don't want to get iced out of that market at the end of the day its all about money

[@mechanomics2649]

She moved on because Steve wasn't there and wasn't coming back. Steve tried to move on when he had no way of going back. Shipping Steve and Bucky is something I cannot understand.

[@beans6765]

@@mechanomics2649 ???

[@WizardLizzard]

@@shadowzach00 While there is certainly truth in that, it's important not to ignore the homophobia still present in the US and Europe. This video even mentions an article on this exact topic. Besides movies like Black Panther and Captain Marvel have already shattered expectations in regards to other kinds of rep in these movies by being wildly profitable.

[@wendypierce5621]

I’d love to see Bucky finally explore who he is.. As far as the MCU goes, he’s been defined by others: Steve, Sam, Hydra. As a GenX-er, things have changed so much, what would that be like for someone who’s 106? It could be really powerful to say “it’s never too late to be yourself.”

[@thedailybullshit4033]

IK, I'd love for his sexuality to actually be explored. Bucky has been queercoded since his cinematic debut in 2011, being a combination of comic Bucky & Arnie Roth. He's also (in the movies) always filled in the role for Steve that is typically filled by a female love interest for every other straight guy superhero in existance: Steve's confidant, emotional support, motivation, the 1 who Steve always needs to save - it's never Peggy, it's Bucky. Not to mention giving him a traditionally "gay" style from CA:TWS up until Endgame. & yeah, it'd be really powerful to say "The old-timer can not only accept others for who they are, but he can accept himself too."

[@Iainttrynadoxxmyself]

@@thedailybullshit4033 I think Bucky in the comics is bisexual. So that would mean he’s based off of queer content. And they just washed that off.

[@thedailybullshit4033]

@@Iainttrynadoxxmyself Unfortunately, the only evidence that comic Bucky is bisexual comes in the form of an interview with Mark Waide, the creater of the 2016 Black Widow run. He was asked about the potential romance between Bucky & Natasha that would feature in Black Widow #9, and when comparing their histories, he mentioned that, "They've both had a crush on Steve Rogers." When asked to elaborate if it was a legitamite crush or closer to when straight women say "I've got a girl crush," Waide responded that the statement was, "Open to interpretation." Unfortunately, Bucky was not actually stated to be or represented as queer in the comics, which sucks, because he's absolutely been queercoded there too.

[@katewilloughby2141]

I honestly think when Sam and Bucky rolled and landed on each other that they purposely made sure that plant perfectly covered their face; more specifically it covered their lips. I mean come on! When that happened the shot felt so off having this greenery obscure them so weirdly. It felt off to me, and I realised that the reason it did is because film and television has done the roll down the hill trope so many times, and when they land and they land on top of each other like that, you always see them being nose to nose clear as day; It's never obscured like that. So I think they 100% planned that shot so that plant would cover their lips because they KNEW how that shot would scream romantic and/or sexual tension! They knew because that's how cinema has coded the roll down the hill! It's such a code that a movie can frame it as a joke for two characters that are explicitly not meant for romance (like to men because the joke for the movie is "ha gay, two men in a sexual position ha.ha.ha..." *eye roll*) The only way that joke can work is if the audience understands what that shot means. So they knew it looked Queer. Of course they knew, so they put a plant there to make it look "straighter". I can guarantee there are bloopers/outtakes of Anthony and Sebastian making the scene more romantic and or sexual in a joking way (like going in for a kiss, some iteration of is that a gun in a pocket or you just happy to see me)

[@saraperpetua1093]

Oh

[@chestersnap]

Noah's boyfriend is right about Wiccan and Hulkling being objectively the best Marvel couple. I actually paid marvel $70 a year for several years to have access to their online comics because of how much I liked the representation in Young Avengers

[@tatsudragneel4761]

Wiccan and Hulkling are what got me into comics, they're amazing

[@kalebmartin1845]

"Noah's boyfriend" lmao he has a name my dude

[@chestersnap]

@@kalebmartin1845 people have names??? 👁️👄👁️

[@andrewhannaford2995]

@@chestersnap his name is Corry mate, use it.

[@chestersnap]

@@arambles1 it was a joke, guys. I remember his name 🙄

[@sorceresssophia2949]

I’m surprised we went through this without talking about comics!Tony Stark who is heavily implied to be bisexual. There’s a lot to go into there (like, a lot, the only time 616!Tony clearly sleeps with a guy is when he’s evil as part of an orgy, it’s terrible), but I think one of the most notable moments in comics and queer readings is when Reed Richards goes and looks for universes that prevented the comics Civil War and the universe he found was one where Steve and Tony got married...except Tony is a woman in that universe. They literally had to make the relationship heterosexual to make it happen.

[@Lisa_Flowers]

Pain, just pain

[@ramihearts]

What comic is the alternate reality thing?

[@clairekaplan7417]

Sebastian Stan really said, "Fans can really finally think about those pairings of characters that they've always wanted, and feel like maybe that's actually going to happen now," and then we got this.

[@renzbaluyot5953]

Let's not forget the scene in X-Men when Iceman blew onto Wolverine's bottle of beer to make it cold, the homoerotic tension in that scene was thick as hell.

[@talia1628]

Omggggggggg

[@innisneill7510]

Hm. That simply looked like Iceman bragging with his powers to me. 🤔 But ... seriously isn‘t Iceman really gay? I don‘t remember all the comics I read and I didn‘t read much after 2012 ... but I have this image of him appearing pretty gay to me in my mind.

[@ahhh4117]

@@innisneill7510 He's confirmed as gay ur right

[@Lisa_Flowers]

I'm honestly still waiting for asexual and nonbinary representation in the comic books or in superhero media. Trans superheroes are generally lacking but I've literally never even heard of a well rounded nonbinary superhero (apart from the godawful ones that I think was called 'snowflake' or something). And asexual or aromantic ones??? Lol where. EDIT: forgot to say that there is of course Loki (genderfluid) and I actually recall there being a nonbinary super hero (who was also muslim and wore a hijab) in the third season of Young Justice. I guess my issues with these kids of representation is that they are always in a technicality - the character is either not explcitely stated or presented as nonbinary or their identity is an extension of their powers and so it's never explored in any meaningful way. It's always 'I have powers that *technically* make me nonbinary even if I rarely claim this identity in text' and not 'I'm nonbinary person in my own right who happens to have powers that maybe have nothing to do with my identity at all'. I don't like 'technically' representation, or representation where the person is said to be nonbinary and it's just kind of a word that floats around them but doesn't inform their experience. It's like the weird just as bad counterpart of explcitely two dimensional representation that has the person be nonbinary and nothing else. Men and women superheroes aren't only men and women as an extension of their powers, they're just men and women who happen to have powers. I'd love if the same could be said for nonbinary people.

[@master5gamingandotherstuff490]

Nadia Pym, the current Wasp in the comics, is Asexual I think

[@redactedredacted6656]

More recent comics have addressed how Loki's shapeshifting ability ties into his gender but there's no way that's going to be brought up in the show. Also it would be nice to see more human nonbinary characters because nonbinary people in real life can't shapeshift.

[@islandeatssand684]

Pretty sure there’s technically Charlie/Clotho from Legends of Tomorrow.

[@el864]

@@redactedredacted6656 I could talk for hours about how much I love Loki Agent of Asgard- 😂 but yeah, it does seem that the trend of genderfluid people being shapeshifters is extremely common, something I’d love to see challenged.

[@thedanieljason]

It's a small story unfortunately, but Steve Orlando (who also wrote the New 52/Rebirth Midnighter and Apollo stories [which I will scream to the heavens about for as long as anyone will listen, it's SO good]) had an issue centered around a nonbinary character in his run of Supergirl a few years ago, with input from multiple nonbinary sensitivity readers. I wanna say it was issue 21 of the Rebirth run but I'm not 100% sure on that.

[@JohnDRuddyMannyMan]

This was an excellent video :)

[@raikkonenss]

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, the only reason Steve went back to Peggy in Endgame is so they could avoid him being anything other than heterosexual

[@AnIdiotsLantern]

*cries in Agent Carter fan*

[@AmanCreatesArt]

Great timing on this video in light of that piece in Variety! The Gatekeepers of Straightness and Patriarchy really needed to devote a whole article with a statement from the director to make sure we can't enjoy subtext. Their headline was deliberate clickbait, and the article really pulled for a "hard no" interpretation of what she actually said.

[@guillemmartinez9958]

Can you link the article or tell me the title? I don't know how to look for it and I am genuinely curious about what it says😫😫😫😫

[@AmanCreatesArt]

@@guillemmartinez9958 Sure thing! Here you go: "No, Bucky Wasn’t Revealing He’s Bi in That ‘Falcon and Winter Soldier’ Scene, Says Director" variety.com/2021/tv/news/bucky-bisexual-falcon-winter-soldier-1234962522/ I mean the director's actual quote isn’t even a flat “he’s not bisexual” it’s just a “that scene was not intended to signify that he’s bisexual.” Sebastian Stan eyef**ks every sentient being he’s sharing the screen with, so Bucky definitely reads as bi/ pan, even if he hasn’t figured it out for himself. :-D

[@guillemmartinez9958]

@@AmanCreatesArt omg thank you so much!!!!

[@islandeatssand684]

Wiccan and Speed are technically are now in the MCU because of Wandavision. We all know there will be riots in the streets if they straightwash Wiccan (still worried about him being portrayed poorly tho), but I sadly don't have much hope for Speed.. We all know that if they do a Young Avengers movie instead of a disney+ show, he's probably gonna either be straightwashed or just ambiguously bi.

[@talia1628]

Is Wiccan gay? And is speed bi? I’m not a comic reader

[@anakaliahaoa2551]

@@talia1628 Did you not watch the video? But, to answer your question, Wiccan (Billy Kaplan) is one of the Young Avengers, very gay and currently engaged to Hulkling (Teddy Altman). His identical twin brother Speed (Tommy Shepherd) is bisexual. He's had a thing with both Kate Bishop (Hawkeye) and Prodigy (David Alleyne) and is currently seriously dating Prodigy in the comics. These people are all Young Avengers or have been at one time.

[@talia1628]

@@anakaliahaoa2551 yeah sry I watched it while I read the comments

[@zainer5754]

didn't they kill off the kids in wandavision? 💀

[@harleyquinn3346]

@@zainer5754 they'll probably be back in the doctor strange movie

[@yate0128]

Please sir, may I have.... just.... 1 gay?..... 🥺

[@justamaninthisworld2742]

"Alright bro here we will put them in the background"

[@yate0128]

not surprised ( ._.)

[@StigmataMartyrz]

marvel: best i can do is gay joe russo

[@yate0128]

@@StigmataMartyrz please sir, may i have some main?

[@Envy_May]

**outraged Mr Bumble noises**

[@rayne333]

yes! thank you for talking about this. i watched falcon & winter soldier and even tho i KNOW what queerbaiting looks like, because of all the gaslighting we as queer audiences receive, telling us we are pushing some kind of insidious “agenda” i still felt a little bit like i was making it into a bigger thing in my head & this was soooo validating

[@HarleyQuinn-lr4qg]

On top of tfatws drama, marvel has made it worse by coming out multiple times to say that the tiger reference wasn’t intentional and that they didn’t have the intentions to make Bucky canonically gay.

[@ikkemk]

"what about china" *stares in the untamed being the most popular cdrama*

[@netbathetic]

OH THIS!!!!

[@kurootsuki3326]

frrr

[@eliesundesastre9473]

I used to side eye fanfiction but now I can't tell what is cannon what is just something I read in AO3

[@meljayne113]

Hearing about the young avengers again makes me feel the need to catch up on WikDiv!

[@ViviCaligo]

The mention of Rage from QaF made my little gay heart burst from joy.

[@mykl-anarche2201]

I had to skip that Arnie Roth quote. I suggest some kind of content warning pinned in the comments. In the meantime: ●Content Warning ● 11:50 - 12:40 ● homophobia + graphic hate speech in a comic book panel Ps- Love your work!

[@theparableist]

I was like really mad when I finished Falcon and winter soldier bc I saw that marvel was continuing the trend of like using Bucky as kinda a queerbaity character considering how he was queerbaited in previous movies and I was trying to explain to my friends that the context and the lack of resolution with Bucky's queerbaiting carries over to the next story, esp since the writers knew what they were doing and added in more stuff to fuel the fire (tiger pics, couples therapy, etc)??? And my friends were like "nooo you're looking too deeply into this that's not right at all" and it was really invalidating!

[@Loki-pz1uk]

I legit turned to my spouse while watching F&WS when Bucky showed up to help Sam fix the boat and said “he can just tell his sister this is his boyfriend it’s not that hard jeez”. This show man. I continue to fill the void with Sam/Bucky fic.

[@killanelle]

hfdkjfhjsdk i too am still pissed about the russo cameo

[@slashercat8649]

i love how most people just call that character "Gay Joe Russo" now lmao

[@talia1628]

Oh god lmao

[@netbathetic]

SAME

[@morganreystark9742]

holy crap I’ve never realized the correlation between coming out and the superhero identity reveals. It makes me love “I am Iron Man” even more

[@dramonmaster222]

LOL! When Sam was on top of Bucky, EVERYONE new what it meant. And now I need to check out Corry's channel.

[@Anesh10]

I don't give a damn about Marvel Endgame! To me, Stucky will always live on!!

[@Thed538dhsk]

But reality if often disappointing

[@charlottehubert3418]

You probably already know about this but TFATWS writer Malcolm Spellman was asked about whether the tiger photos line was a confirmation of Bucky being queer at a point when the show was still airing and he gave a super ambiguous answer that heavily implied that the show would address Bucky's sexuality and then after the show finished the director of the show stated that that line had actually never been meant to imply that Bucky was queer. Feels like queerbaiting to me.....

[@virginiafernandez6846]

Hell, if you wanted us to ship Bucky with a girl WHO??? WHO THE HELL ARE WE SUPPOSED TO SHIP HIM WITH??? RANDOM GIRL #1??? NATASHA???? WAIT NO, SHE'S EFFIN' DEAD!

[@harleyquinn3346]

Exactly

[@laurenvandenbosch4051]

Sarah Wilson? It’s more like, who do you ship Sam with?

[@ramihearts]

Ummmmm idk sams sister??? That girl from the bar????? No clue.

[@fourcatsandagarden]

"I just never took that stuff into consideration while I was writing." That statement may be completely true, but that being the truth doesn't make me less angry about it. It's such a privilege to have never had to think about what you're doing or to even take into account the perspectives of the people that your decisions are effecting. I hope everyone who utters words like those makes sure to always ask for other people's perspectives going forward, but I know many of them won't, and will still go on being just as successful as they were before.

[@SilverShadow1617]

Gurl PREACH! Queer baiting drives me nuts. Especially Because of the damned unwritten rule that any character who is not stated or proved to be canonically lgbt is automatically straight. And then when we speculate and get our hopes up, either one of three things happen, the character remains ambiguous and homophobes bash on us for daring to think otherwise, the character is confirmed straight and we get disappointed, or the character is confirmed lgbt and then we get bashed for ruining the character with “unnecessary representation”. You just earned another subscriber.

[@Annika-JL]

No mention of Supergirl... Supercorp? Its litterally the nr 1 most popular f/f ship on ao3. There is a lot to talk about w that ship

[@foxymoon7860]

I think she kinda (?) made a video about that before.

[@lemony3719]

Also Legends of Tomorrow...

[@cristinaacosta8938]

Corry called my friend group out so hard that I almost felt the need to deny it 🤣🤣🤣

[@whatcanidooo]

27:55 Oh crap I'm that one friend who is still sadly heterosexual 😭

[@rebeccaclark1407]

Your hair looks SO GOOD! The style? The color? A lewk

[@littlewyzard]

the way her hair clips match her hair color 👀😍

[@arol1644]

@@littlewyzard perfection

[@witchshairlichen]

I like Corry's bi lighting.

[@dylanjiron8660]

bestie this has been on my mind for literal weeks thank u so much for putting it into words

[@joutatheegg]

Fan fictions writers are like “no queer reputation? Fine I’ll do it myself”

[@UmbraKrameri]

'If you are queer, chances are high that most of your friends are queer too.' So true, although I chuckled a bit at that, because I am a late bloomer in that, I didn't know I was asexual until I was 25, so all my remaining childhood and high-school friends are straight. But, oddly enough a significant portion of the guys I thought we had chemistry with and tried to date turned out to be gay. XD Which, in hindsight makes so much sense.

[@JaiProdz]

Ayo and Okoye were supposed to have a scene tht implied they were Queer, but it was erased, just like the one with Valkyrie in Ragnarok.

[@TheAmazingFlake]

I know this is just about queerness but Arnie is also Jewish and I think it's important to mention given the quote he was forced to say.

[@thedailybullshit4033]

46:05 Okay, so about the Loki show: On 1 form, Loki's SEX (note: NOT HIS GENDER) was confirmed to be fluid, but this can still be read as him just being a shapeshifter. Plus, at no point in the show is he actually represented as gender fluid. So in terms of his gender identity, Loki was not properly represented. Then, there was a scene on a train in Episode 3, where Sylvie asks Loki about his previous love life, asking about any ". . . would-be princesses, or perhaps a prince?" to which Loki replies, "A bit of both." This would be fine, if it weren't for the fact that they are portraying Loki as bi, when he is in fact, pan. Not to mention that they completely undercut this by having Loki FALL IN LOVE WITH A FEMALE VARIENT OF HIMSELF IN THE VERY NEXT EPISODE, THE SAME VARIENT WHO STARTED THE DAY W/ TRYING TO KILL HIM. & I mention that she's female bc if the Varient were male or genderqueer, then they DEFINITELY wouldn't have had the 2 fall in love. So sorry, Marvel Studios. Your attempt at representation failed miserably & left me physically repulsed at the series. If it wasn't vital to understanding Multiverse of Madness, I would NOT be watching season 2.

[@ramihearts]

Loki and grandmaster dated. Change my mind.

[@genesisrodales9492]

God I am forever bitter at what they did to Steve

[@aswery1031]

Did what?

[@agentmysterious6682]

Same, hopefully old cap is still around I'd like to see a mcu Version of him being sued and having to explain everything to court with Matt murdock at him and shehulk throat lol

[@agentmysterious6682]

Making him old was shit in my opinion

[@aswery1031]

@@agentmysterious6682 What do you mean? It’s comic accurate, and it lets Sam fully take over as Cap. If he was still alive, he would take the light immediately.

[@makaylakraus1897]

28:00 legit so true. my friend group met in *middle school* and we got: 1 gay man 1 aromantic woman 1 ace transman 1 ace biromantic woman 1 bi woman dating a transwoman (who is also bi) 1 greyace bi nonbinary and 1 straight woman a very ace and bi group

[@somerandomperson339]

I wish for a chaotic rant about how Sam and Bucky should have been LGBT. I need to send it to my friends that say it isn’t a thing

[@lilyoftheveil666]

Corry's Young Avengers rant gave me life and also reminded me that I need to read the Young Avengers comics.

[@deaf-tomcat]

Bucky is bisexual, matter of fact Steve is bisexual, and he's got crushes on both Wilson siblings. Personally, I flip btw Bucky dating Sam and Bucky dating Sarah. Like they're both such good pairings!!!!!!! I just want Bucky to be happy and surrounded by a loving family. Also, SamBucky are literally the "straight couple that hate each other but are in love with one another, actually" like you mentioned.

[@ritualoffering2778]

“I might have read every stucky fic every written” ((even the first person ones??))

[@Zylette]

Anyone have a favorite?....

[@Lisa_Flowers]

@@Zylette Read 'Not Easily Conquered'. It's hella long and also very heartbreaking but it's also brilliant and it's a crime that it's not a published novel, because it sure as hell reads like one.

[@Zylette]

@@Lisa_Flowers Thanks! By dropdeaddream and WhatAreFears?

[@Lisa_Flowers]

@@Zylette yes!

[@SuperEkkorn]

try 'infinite coffee and protection detail' by owlet too!

[@SpiderBytez]

My favourite part in young avengers that I think is very relevant to this vid, is when billy is trying to tell his parents that he’s a superhero but they just assume he’s coming out as gay and he’s like “well yes that to but-“

[@brenohenrique6666]

That Arnie speach is gold, there were many comics with pearls like these but to me doesn't really make it worth going back because thankfully and because of representation that came before comics today specially in the indie scene things are really queer and that's awesome

[@IsaacMyers1]

I don’t know think it’s brought up, so I’ll mention it. Harleen Quinzel and Pamela Lillian Isley, Harley and Ivy, were a couple all the way back in Harley’s debut media: Batman: the animated series. Although not specifically mentioned it is heavily implied. They, I believe, are hands down the best queer representation in comics.

[@alexjrassic1815]

“Can’t relate” made me spit out my Gold Coke.

[@linasmile3274]

Shera was so refreshing in that respect. I mean like bows parents are the best

[@geordishafer8361]

This is partially why I'm both Excited for the eventual "Young Avengers" adaptation but also kind of Scared at the same time. I'm excited because we get Wiccan and Hulkling introduced and there is so much potential for them to be great. but I'm scared that they're just gonna be background characters like they were for the first few Issues of the Original story. Or they were "implied" to be gay but not actually saying anything about it. Or even worse, both of them won't get a storyline at all and all of the sudden they're just shoehorned in there as gay at some point and maybe thay have a gay kiss or not.

[@mikyprather-wiegardt]

I couldn't have said it better!

[@trashgoblin1182]

Tommy also has a boyfriend, and America Chavez (who has been confirmed for Doctor Strange 2) has two moms as well as a girlfriend. Idk if they're including Noh-Varr, or David (Tommy's boyfriend), but they have boyfriends as well. Honestly if they manage to give us absolutely no representation with young avengers it'll be baffling how they managed to mess up that much

[@arol1644]

I also think it’s very important that they have queer people in the writing room, otherwise I doubt they’re going to tell the story in the right way

[@ramihearts]

WHT DOES EVERYONE FORGET AMERICA IS COMING TO THE MCU

[@kayfelker8268]

Did anyone watch civil war and hear Steve going “romlowe said Bucky and I was a sixteen year old boy in Brooklyn again” and not hear the fluttering of Steve’s bi heart

[@livingdeadgirl8074]

The whole Steve's betrayal of Tony in Avengers makes no sense to me unless Bucky is a lover or spouse.

[@deltaone2837]

Ok, but here me out. They grew up together, are best friends and one of them needs help after a traumatic event that implied him being brainwashed by nazis. I'm not gonna lie, Bucky might be gay or Bi, there is a lot of subtext to explore. But your point doesn't make sense.

[@gamingandstuff1522]

I always saw their relationship as brotherly instead of romantic

[@hakunamatatatish8784]

Omgosh!!! So it wasn't just me SHOUTING at the screen 'Now kiss!' a billion times?!?!?

[@yogurtofchaos6747]

I especially hate how that one line in Endgame was marketed as representation for the queer community before the movie came out (same with the one-second lesbian kiss in the background in The Rise of Skywalker)

[@ramihearts]

Every time Disney releases a movie they say it’s the first gay Disney character when it’s not confirmed or it’s two seconds long

[@markv-something7810]

i can't believe you didn't bring up larry trainor from doom patrol!! he was a great example of a comic character that was straight in the original but was made gay in the show. i think it was incredibly well done

[@BobLogical]

Danny is there now, too.

[@dcfan7838]

13:45 in a interview for Agents of Shield season 3, Chloe Bennet talked about how she hoped the inhumans storyline would help LGBTQIA+ teens. The actress playing a superhero openly talked about the link between realising and coming out as an inhuman and coming out as LGBTQIA+ !!!!

[@_june_lost]

I'm still so salty that there was no proper LGBTQ representation in Agents of Shield...

[@Valkanna.Nublet]

Great, now I'm back to how pissed I was when they killed off Maria. In one shitty sentence they killed any hope of a good representative relationship with her and Carol :(

[@EditedAF987]

We still have the multiverses! There’s room for hope friend!

[@ramihearts]

Flashbacks maybe?

[@happyghostcrew]

Most of my close friend group are bisexual including myself and there are 1 or 2 who are 100% straight, it's odd how that somehow happens

[@violetsnotroses3640]

I would really love to see a video from Rowan about The Old Guard, which is a perfect example of a smaller IP doing the exact thing that we want from the MCU. It's worth talking about when representation is done well, especially in genres like fantasy action/adventure.

[@elskabee]

overall the comics have been pushing for more and more diversity and I can't wait for the movies to catch up even a little. At he very least some of the DC animated stuff has been starting to include more diverse characters (where are my Harley Quinn animated stans at)

[@wearepublic]

You talking about the American Queer as Folk messed with my head so much. Completely believe I'd watched the wrong show or made up Stuart and Vince in my head.

[@SaunterVaguelyDown]

Same

[@julianamagg3177]

Same

[@gf7324]

Same

[@pinkiefinger6402]

im a marvel fan, if anything, but let's give a round of applause for the representation given in DC's Legends of Tomorrow👏👏

[@timothymclean]

17:50: Of course, the fact that superheroes _already_ (tend to) fight to protect the status quo and uphold the law leads to the conflicting reading that Captain America is basically fighting for the rights of allegorical police to do whatever they think is necessary to promote "law and order" without any accountability. The perils of giving your marginalized-group-allegory great power is that they can read as people with power instead of marginalized ones.

[@SanguinaryBlade]

As a 'not straight' I feel weirdly indirectly insulted by being told apparently I'm supposed to have gay magnetism and get plenty of LGBT friends. Where are they? I feel cheated!

[@melissapetit1143]

Wait a few years xD in highschool I was the only gay in my friend group, now at uni I have like one close straight friend

[@SanguinaryBlade]

@@melissapetit1143 A few years? 3 decades isn't enough?

[@Torthrodhel]

Those Andrew Garfield quotes. Just awesome stuff, hadn't known about that before. Very cool! :D

[@Torthrodhel]

@@lued123 that's rough! There was a lot about those films that wasn't the best so I can't say I'm that disappointed they didn't make a third one but that's a shitty reason behind it.

[@kinocrone7275]

I remember reading that a writer wanted to make Gambit bi in his run and the higher ups told him they didn't want to change a pre-existing character so fundamentally. And I was like... you do know who Gambit is, right?

[@ramihearts]

Gambits really gay

[@thomasezzy]

I'm still so freaking nervous about MCU doing Young Avengers, and how straight-washed it may turn out to be. Billy and Teddy are my favorite characters and it'd hurt so much as a gay man who grew up with them, to see them misrepresented. At least they're badass husbands ruling over space in the comics.

[@novatalking]

James Somerton also talked a LOT about the gay power couple in young avengers, I def recommend watching that too if you like this video

[@Justin49499]

You didn't mention that Wiccan was kinda sorta in Wandavision. If Wanda is to bring back her children, which the post credit scene seemed to suggest, we could finally have a gay character. Also, Wanda is supposedly going to feature heavily in Doctor Strange 2. Maybe we'll get something there?

[@cl3507]

Love everything Corry - and Rowan - said but i can't get over the fact that Corry is wearing a shirt by doomsdayco. That's one of my favorite brands!!!

[@Mambo1061]

Rowan Please watch “Loki” s1 e3. It (relatively) is a goldmine. Loki, I mean, Lucky number 2!