Royal Flash Mensur scene

Mensur duel... sort of from one of my favorite movies.

[@madzen112]

The Prussian nobility being poorer than most other nobles in Europe in it's day, probably shaped their culture quite a lot.

[@singingbowels]

The obvious low IQ probably did most.

[@Eunegin23]

They also weren't liked in the other German states... However the mensur was more bourgeois in fraternities of our university cities. Greeting from Berlin.

[@kingjoe3rd]

​ I wonder how much Napoleon shaped the inferiority complex that the Prussians had, which lead to their hyper-militarism in the mid to late 19th century? In the wars against Napoleon, the Prussians were usually utterly humiliated by the French until the Russians or the English had them on their hind legs and then the Prussians jumped in a helped defeat them. This was the case in the last two Coalition Wars at Leipzig and Waterloo.

[@madzen112]

@@kingjoe3rd Beyond any doubt contributed to both the German unification and Prussian revanchism. Divided they fall, united they stand.

[@madzen112]

@@kingjoe3rd Without being an expert, the upheavals in 1848 in Germany and the grassroots push towards German unification, very likely came about with the experiences of the Napoleonic wars as backdrop.

[@robertlehnert4148]

The entire point was to give Flashy authentic dueling scars NOT for him to be an actual Mensur duelist

[@dontaylor7315]

And the trick was for Bismark to be such a phenomenally accurate saberist he could make the scars match exactly those of the king whom Flashman would be impersonating.

[@ColoradoStreaming]

@@dontaylor7315 Which made it funnier when Hansen called him out for his scar being too low.

[@knutclau705]

Weeell, Flashy having, very accuratelly, a black coloured basket "schläger", as he isn't properly a student-corps member ("schwarze partie"), alltogether the cadence is FAR to slow, AND Oliver Reed (one of my favourite actors!) as Bismarck is taking a slight roghthand forward "crouch" when serving the first "Schmiss" on Flashy's cheek, which "ist nicht nach dem Comment" (irregular) as you are supposed to stand ramrod-stiff while auf Mensur! (Unless "fliegende Mensur", in case of Akademisches Säbelfechten)

[@bryanmuster5662]

Wow! Proximo from Gladiator truly is a man of combat and warlike arts.

[@sagrotandesinfectus5061]

In real life more a gentleman of the drinking arts, so I've heard...

[@meltedplasticarmyguy]

@@sagrotandesinfectus5061 Yes, he was quite fond of alcohol. If memory serves, it's what ultimately did him in, the years of abuse.

[@interestedlen8823]

Oliver Reed was one of the toughest men acting in film. Not always pleasant when drinking, but closer to the roles he played than most.

[@bbb462cid]

Athos, well before Proximo. Reed could hold his own in a sword-play scene. See the Richard Lester Musketeer films. 1973.

[@thrifikionor7603]

This was filmed in the castle in Langenburg in southern Germany.

[@toompyfloyd4074]

what film is this?

[@kutter_ttl6786]

​@@toompyfloyd4074 It's in the title, Royal Flash (1975).

[@mr.sinner33]

​@kutter_ttl6786 can you name us more films of this type

[@moo5360]

Pity no more attempts were made at the Flashman character. I could imagine English comedians of the 80's putting together a great film. Rik Mayall, John Cleese and Rowan Atkinson spring to mind.

[@heliopolis29]

Yes, spot on.

[@daemonartursson7159]

Rick with a silent P.

[@Ymirson999]

Even back then, Flashman was too politically incorrect.

[@thetankhunter100]

The books were pretty nice

[@Rick2010100]

A Mensur has some rules and a opponent has to be fluent in student academic floret fighting. As a once fighting student i would never had start a mensur with a non combatant and i thougt 9 Mensures.

[@steffenebener7332]

Please dont call the Schläger a floret...

[@Warphorn]

The purpose of this bout was to inflict scars on ol' Flashy so he resembles another person, while also giving Bismark vengence for an earlier misadventure.

[@АртоВэнтьфорт]

Oh man i have so many questions. Mensur has always fascinated me

[@Icetea-2000]

@@АртоВэнтьфорт same

[@Paisly_]

Iergendwie glaub ich das du bissl flunkerst

[@wingsfan1450]

Bismarck scenes stole the film. But then the real bismarck was the most interesting to begin with so lots of material to draw upon.

[@-Thunder-Warrior-]

The Hero of Pipers Fort, ladies and gentlemen.

[@EastEndBen]

Damn! Malcolm McDowell? Oliver Reed? in a movie adaptation of one of my favourite books? Can't believe I haven't seen this before

[@martinwhite7053]

I saw it when it first came out. My Nephew didn't care for it at all calling it "Carry on Flashman. Not nearly as good as the book... As usual

[@dontaylor7315]

@@martinwhite7053 I agree with your nephew. McDowell was really good in A Clockwork Orange but Harry Flashman just wasn't his kind of role. He was miscast and it showed all the way through the movie.

[@ianwalker4030]

@@dontaylor7315 on the contrary, McDowell did it the way Roger Moore played James Bond - with humour. Richard Morant, who played ‘Flashy’ in TVs Tom Browns’ Schooldays, would also have been superb. FYI THE brilliant Palin/Jones series ‘Ripping Yarns’ shows a perfect parody, by Ian Ogilvy, on school bully aka Flashman, in the episode ‘ Tomlinson’s Schooldays’ equally brilliant and done ‘tongue- in- cheek’

[@williamfrank962]

@@ianwalker4030I agree that Malcom did a good job but I don’t think he fits flashman. Part of the charm of flashman is physical attributes. Flashman in the novels is a big dude 6’2 which for back then was a even bigger man. And was also quite built, which makes it all the funnier that he’s a damn coward and scoundrel because he in any other novel would be the ideal description of a hero in physicality.

[@MultiCren]

The irony is Oliver reed was like Flashman for real 😂😂😂

[@sudanemamimikiki1527]

How so?

[@MultiCren]

Well, he’s playing bismark but in really life he’s more like flash man.

[@sudanemamimikiki1527]

@@MultiCren yeah. But how was he like flashman in real life? Is what I meant to ask.

[@MultiCren]

He was a horrilbe womaniser, loved drinking and was very naughty indeed.

[@АлександрПопов-ц9х8у]

Я помню фразу из этого фильма."Никогда не бей лежачего,а то он может встать".

[@starlessgolightly]

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[@mikekemp9877]

great movie.macdowell is very good if not quite the flashman of the novels.then again gm fraser said who wrote the books perfect casting was impossible. he envisioned erroll flynn in the part long since dead.erroll was the only person i ever thought could play it!

[@robwilliamsfn9425]

Timothy Dalton would have made the perfect Flashy. He could easily still play older Flashman.

[@mikekemp9877]

@@robwilliamsfn9425 funny enough tim played a character based on flynn in the rocketeer.

[@landrecce]

I have no idea what the hell I just watched 😂

[@bbb462cid]

Mensur was a type of fraternity of stylized dueling. Ever see the old films in which German officers had scars on their faces? It was from Mensur, and it was actually not very uncommon. The "blinkers' were a real thing, so the eyes and nose would not be damaged or destroyed.

[@willfeen]

omg it's Proximo from Gladiator (and the doc from The Brood)!

[@Edfiki86]

Apparently (my own conjecture) if you met Mr.Reed while he was alive you would have two options: A drinking duel or a fencing duel. This guy was a maniac.

[@michaelfulton3059]

Well I ain't gonna wear blinkers, damn ye!

[@KenjiMapes]

I don’t know why I find that line hilarious😆 Plus the “Piss to you!” Is priceless. Malcolm McDowell is a National Treasure of the UK.

[@michaelfulton3059]

@@KenjiMapes Since reading Flashman with my sister, "piss to you" has been our regular inside greeting.

[@KenjiMapes]

😆👍 Pure gold

[@Randoverse]

Took me a second to realize that's Mcdowell. Always created memorable scenes.

[@GentlemensAcademy]

So this is how dueling scars are won…

[@ND-vi7ob]

no xD

[@inisipisTV]

​@N D - Actually, Yes.😅

[@bbb462cid]

@@inisipisTV yes, actually very much yes.

[@PeoplesProtector]

"I salute you, you Animal." Definetly will be using that later on 😂

[@mad7206]

I read the books a few years ago after hearing a BBC radio 4 adaptation. I thought they were excellent

[@Surv1ve_Thrive]

Malcolm McDowell as a sickly, whiny Flashman?? Oliver Reed would have made a marvellous Flashman amongst many other actors.

[@ColoradoStreaming]

They really missed the mark on this movie. The whole point of Flashman is he keeps his composure to everyone around him and only through his internal monologues does the reader get the truth. Without that critical element all the humor and nuance is lost from the character and he looks like sniveling baby. Flashman is only a 'coward' in the sense that he prioritizes only his reputation over his life rather than his duty.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

@@ColoradoStreaming A genuine coward would not have had even a quarter of his adventures. In the book "Royal Flash", after getting his scars, he lashes out furiously and stabs Bismarck's assistant, though not fatally. I can't recall if he does that here, though I doubt it.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

Just checked and as Bismarck is turning away in the film, Flashman gives him a slight injury to the arm. But in the book I recall it is Bismarck's assistant and Flashman is actually going for the kill. MacDowell's film version of the character makes him snivel a bit too much. The book Flashman is more pragmatist than coward.

[@LutzBrux1]

Schlimm schlimm. Liegenbleiben, Muck, incommentgemässe Hiebe, ungleiche Bandagen, verlegen, verdrehen, aus der Mesnur gehen. Schlimm, schlimm, schlimm..... Vielleicht als Lehrfilm in der Fuxenstunde?

[@colasalz2]

aber von beiden Parteien...war das murks... da muss jogi aber noch mal nachhilfe geben.. :)

[@ABCDEF-rt2ym]

Von der Stellung ganz zu schweigen

[@tedwolf1716]

Fun movie but the books are so darned good.

[@graemewarwick-t5c]

Damme if they ain't!

[@richardpope2114]

Captain Flashman is a British officer, you don't demand nothing ( Bob Hoskins playing a policeman to Ollie Reed when Ollie said he was a German officer earlier in the film 🤣👍)

[@MurmilloTV1]

Nicht ganz regelgerecht!

[@wulfila99]

"Nicht ganz" ist gut... Alles andere als commentgerecht XD

[@timwhite5562]

I didn't know John Gotti was involved in Victorian era fencing.

Bei diesen "Fechtkünsten" *räusper* stellt ja nun keiner der beiden eine wirkliche Gefahr dar :-D

[@jangofett5021]

Bei dem mucken wär ne Reinigung dringend nötig

[@MrJamHH]

well, at least the germans have a real form of duel until today ... as the rest of the world is chickening away

[@ABCDEF-rt2ym]

Duelling is forbidden, but we still are fencing in Mensuren.

[@yaz9479]

02.15, Wow. Malcolm McDowell vs Oliver Reed..F-ing GREAT...

[@printerman9834]

this movie did absolutely no justice to Flashman. Can't believe how badly they portrayed him here.

[@LandersWorkshop]

PIP I've never read a novel of this but yeah he acts like a bloody fckwit in this movie, instead of like an Eroll Flynn.

[@sudanemamimikiki1527]

@@LandersWorkshop to be fair he is a fuckwit in the novels too. just more of a horrid person rather than anything..think ciaphas cain except without any of the morality and way more political incorrectness.

[@ИщуИстину]

Очень круто. Посмотрю весь фильм.

[@malicant123]

This is why so many German WW2 officer were scarred.

[@wendelinfessl4230]

Die fechten schneidiger als manches Corp....

[@steffenebener7332]

Ha, burn

[@ABCDEF-rt2ym]

Ähnliche Stellung xD

[@garylynch9206]

Flashy films are too big in scope to be filmable at any reasonable cost. At The Charge would be wonderful.

[@etahoffmann2569]

Gemuckt...

[@МихаилСаркисов-ю2г]

what film is that?

[@damianip]

Royal Flash. Directed by Richard Lester.

[@МихаилСаркисов-ю2г]

oh! thanks)

[@FlashmansStudy]

Михаил Саркисов skip the film, read the books. They are awesome.

[@Juandinggong]

You bully you!!

[@bbb462cid]

had a pain in the Gulliver

[@mchernyshov]

must have a mask

[@ChaoticNarrative]

Not in Mensur, or at least for back then, the idea was to cut the face, it was considered Manly to let it scar as well.

[@lordcawdorofmordor2549]

@@ChaoticNarrative Yes, but they have goggle mask things to protect the eyes, don't they?

[@ChaoticNarrative]

@@lordcawdorofmordor2549 Thanks for highlighting that, can't believe I didn't mention it... said Goggles also have a piece that protects the nose too.

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

@@ChaoticNarrative eventually, though they were not uniformly used by all

[@drake9634]

Well, he had one, then he took it off

[@huntermosely7420]

McDowell and Reed.

[@ТимофейДенисов-с4ъ]

Киркоров на дуэли

[@schiggi15]

Sind sicher Currys!

[@misterm7225]

Bismarck war bekanntlich Mitglied im Corps Hannovera Göttingen.

[@hannjob]

Was ist das für ein Quatsch

[@hannjob]

Höchstens die Verhöhnung einer Mensur

[@jonathanmorgenstein2073]

I've never seen this movie

[@jonathanmorgenstein2073]

Is it worth it?

[@jonathanmorgenstein2073]

That actors from a clockwork's orange

[@daekwonkim6546]

Working on poor wages, is no fun for my winturn. Faguard hut. Stuffed dc is no cunspec.