Royce Gracie: Mastering Jiu-Jitsu & Defying Odds | Undeniable with Joe Buck

[@insanitypepper1740]

I met Royce in 1994 at the Torrance Academy. I said "May I have your autograph Mr. Gracie?" and he said "Call me Royce!" He is a warrior and a gentleman.

[@dtna]

Royce is one of the nicest guys. I trained with him back in the Fabio and Ethan days. He's still in the Southbay.

[@scarred10]

In all fairness,Royce must be an idiot to believe that helio was weak or learned by watching or added any leverage to anything.Rather,gradually the gracies just made judo effective for match fighting,if anything Carlson and rolled did far more technically than helio.

[@bb8942]

​@scarred10 your the idiot here

[@rudyroman3668]

Idiot​@fartpooboxohyeah8611

[@-C.S.R]

Lucky dogg!

[@nmr20067]

Love listening to Royce.. People use and overuse the term, “legend.” But Royce really is a living legend… He was one of my heroes for what he did in the original .

[@danstearn7697]

When he chocked out Severn from the bottom after 25 minutes was one of the most impressive things I have ever seen. He is amazing.

[@scarred10]

@@danstearn7697 I wouldnt call that amazing, dan was clueless about submissions and ground striking at the time.After he learned gnp and sub defense,how many times did he get subbed in over 100 matches after that?Royce had.

[@thataintnomoonsucka]

@@scarred10 Two things can be true. At the time it was amazing.

[@ColKurtzknew]

Just discovered Mr. Buck's series of sports legend interviews. Pure gold. With intelligent questions and a genuine interest in their answers he seamlessly covers his guests life from childhood to the present in less than an hour which is pretty amazing. The Joe Namath and Michael Phelps sit downs were equally fascinating. Looking forward to the rest of them. Hope this production runs for many years and episodes to come.

[@kylebulldog2115]

Same !!!!! ❤

[@eddienash5986]

A lot of people talk shit about the Gracies but without them, people in America would still not know how to fight and there would be no UFC. Thank you to the Gracie family for bringing jiujitsu to America

[@youngornitier]

um thank you to the japanese bringing it to brazil lol

[@thomasjusinski7286]

If it wasn't for the Gracie's there wouldn't have been any UFC, and they brought Brazilian jiu-jitsu to us in America. But people don't realize is that we had catches catch can wrestling, in America since the 1800s also in the UK. To make it short catch wrestling was taught in America up until 1960. What had happened to catch wrestling was pro wrestling, they started the fake wrestling. If that didn't happen Americans would have been training and catch wrestling from the '60s up until now, and they do teach catch wrestling now. But if you look up the history of catch as catch can wrestling there were gyms in America that taught you that style of wrestling, and the boxing. But it all stopped because of the pro wrestling fixing the matches, so Lou Thieze went too Japan and started teaching the Japanese catch wrestling. That's where sakuraba comes in. The Gracie Hunter as they call him. When Royce Gracie fought Saku The second time , Royce came up dirty for steroids so that second fight was a no contest. In the third fight sakuraba was way past his prime, and Royce beat him. But catch wrestling is a great style of submission wrestling, just like sambo. Don't get me wrong I am not taking anything from the Gracie's, I trained with Renzo Gracie for years. But I come from a wrestling background, so I really like catch wrestling because there's a lot of wrestling in it folk style Greco-Roman style and freestyle. But again if it wasn't for the gracies there would be no UFC. And if it wasn't for fake wrestling, Americans would have been training in catch wrestling for years, we had our own style of submission wrestling way before the Gracies Father was ever born. And if you want to go back even further, the Greeks had pancration. But there are no books on that and they lost that style thousands of years ago. But I agree with you 100% if it wasn't for them we wouldn't know anything about ground fighting.

[@ChiIeboy]

💯

[@Sonicstillpoint83]

@@thomasjusinski7286 Jack Dempsey would’ve been incredibly close to what we think of as an MMA fighter because he was a judoka who also trained to catch wrestling.

[@jjs3890]

The Gracie’s selected and stacked the deck in early UFC. BJJ is not and never was a jujitsu. Maeda never learned jujitsu. They learned judo. Did-Gracie’s are all hype and ego fed 🐄 💩

[@awakenotwoke6930]

This is one of the best interviews that I have ever seen with one of the Gracies. I am a purple belt under Relson. He tells us about these stories all the time. Royce is a genuinely great individual. Thanks for this content!

[@Tito74]

Impressed by Joe Bucks knowledge on the Gracie family and UFC history.

[@robertleewhitt6241]

Royce is such a great professor I spent a lot of time with his father and his brother and Royce > One of the greatest families have ever met especially Hélio Gracie . I was will Royce in Japan in his corner at ringside > great honor for me >

[@carlossalazar4160]

No way!? That’s awesome, what a cool experience.

[@robertleewhitt6241]

@@carlossalazar4160 Carlos if you look at Royce’s association schools and then wait for him to come to that association, you can meet him too at a seminar .

[@osirisfiorentino8526]

A familia Grace é um orgulho para o povo brasileiro.

[@mikeh.753]

It's hard to believe that he wasn't even the best fighter in the Gracie clan at that time.

[@mule1783]

I remember when they asked him if he was the best fighter in the world and he laughed and said my brother Rickson is 10x better than me...everyone was like who the FUCK is Rickson Gracie, it was mind blowing lmao

[@davehalili3430]

👑 met ROYCE & Paige VanZANT in L.A. > Very humble , smart & kind Master ~ What he describes @ 3:51 & 4:41 is an example of his Superior Philosophy ( like Bruce Lee ) - not dismissing the Japanese Origins but also making clear the Brazilians refined elements to JJitsu - I am Japanese / Filipino & respect BJJ & Gracie Family

[@shogunjobu]

Absolutely amazed Bucks interview one of my personal heros and many others. Absolute legend. Let's freaking go

[@-C.S.R]

Royce Gracie is the one that started it all for me! He is still the KING in my eyes and will always be. Hail to the Gracie family!

[@thataintnomoonsucka]

Dude. How many people took bjj because of Royce? In Americca, almost all. Agreed.

[@silvermountainman2562]

I gotta hand it to Joe. I can’t stand him announcing NFL games, but this podcast is strangely becoming one of my favorites … 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jasoncardigan9488]

Good work. Joe. These interviews/talks are very good. Thank you

[@stevenyesrre3145]

I love this ! Had the pleasure of getting some training by him. my favorite UFC fighter of all time .

[@DaveBee133]

My professor is a black belt under Royce so I have had the honor of not just meeting and talking with Royce but also train under him. He's just as funny in person.

[@franko4079]

Jiujitsu literally save and changed my life.

[@thataintnomoonsucka]

I think a lot of people feel that way.

[@nickcc2003]

Finally Got to do with seminar with him last year, 2023, great instruction. Mind you been waiting since I discovered jiu jujitsu in 2003

[@mannyvega5032]

Royce single handedly changed the fight game , he is a pioneer. If Rorion never came to America, who knows if we would have had MMA.

[@janisberber5494]

My mom would yell out the back door, "Are you boys fighting" and we'd answer, "No mom. We're playing rough."

[@yawaragirl]

This guy would have to be the #1 influencer in the world ,but sadly he does not get the recognition

[@christianbritton1362]

Been training jits since 2006. What I’d give to have met the Gracie’s and started in the 80s or early 90s!

[@Tartaruga728]

Much respect to the Gracie’s. Helio did not “invent leverage”. It was always a part of the original art …old JUDO and earlier jiujitsu. But the Gracie’s remained committed to leverage and put the art to the test in the real world, testing themselves over and over again other martial Artist, fighters, tough guys etc. respect.

[@WaltPowellsAIProductions]

Actually, this is not true

[@interestedparty7523]

Leverage is necessary in all arts, when done effectively.

[@Tartaruga728]

@@WaltPowellsAIProductions what’s not true?

[@andresil8330]

That is not true, BJJ is a completely different art. Any old Judo or Jiu Jitsu practitioners can get EASILY submitted and defeated by a BJJ fighter (as it happened before)

[@interestedparty7523]

That's not due to the Gracies "inventing" leverage, that's called neglecting Newaza. In standup Judo, Hello was getting tossed around like a rag doll, his leverage couldn't stop him from getting his balance shaken and tossed 22 times in a single match against the little dude.@@andresil8330

[@ChristoFreeze]

Watching Royce in UFC 1 had me in love with BJJ. I wrestled but I had to know this art to beat wrestlers 3 weight classes up

[@caseyrayls6234]

I took a seminar from one of his uncle's in Florence, KY when I was an old man. He was a fun sensi !

[@BruhBruh33518]

Amazing interview, thank you!

[@shrimboi8909]

Thanks to Royce Gracie, all his brothers and relatives were able to make a living teaching Jiu-Jitsu in America. The "Gcracie" name is a brand.

[@davidcrow3101]

The shoulders that modern MMA stands on belong to Royce Gracie. Royce Gracie is a living legend and the first face on the Mount Rushmore of MMA.

[@Thiagoferte]

Great interview! Amazing Royce! É Brasil para o mundo Oss!!!

[@nintendad2099]

Fascinating interview. I have so much love for bjj and what the Gracie’s have done.

[@Kidgloves1984]

The only thing I don't like about Royce is that a few times that he's lost and I saw him get chocked out live in 1998 here in Rio growing up idolizing him in my teens is that he usually says "he didn't show up" when he lost..Matt Hughes squashed him and he doesn't give credit to his opponents for the win.

[@brianclark641]

I was in the military stationed in Korea during these first UFC fights

[@MrViniciusobreira]

Orgulho nacional!!!

[@edgarperalta8802]

one of a kind. inspiration to many thanks for the memories

[@mikeh.753]

Give me a firm place to stand and a lever and I will move the world - Greek philosopher Archimedes. Still very true today.

[@grammarz5094]

what's crazy is that royce was basically just second string in the gracie clan. a benchwarmer plucked from the bleachers who stepped up to become the most accomplished no holds barred fighter out of all the gracies.

[@derickbenson5212]

Forever Champion! Brother From Another Mother!

[@chriscampos7217]

Legend 🐐GOAT 🐐

[@orestesvega2475]

THE FACT THAT HIS FATHER IS ELIO GRACIE HELPED ROYCE A LOT IN HIS CAREER.

[@birdbangbobarui]

Great interview Joe keep it up

[@PaulBaraz]

I 've had the pleasure of meeting Royce and training with his cousins Carlson Sr and Carlson Jr . All three are perfect gentlemen and amazing. Read Rickson's book " Breath" a must for all MMA/ BJJ fans and enthusiasts. The world owes the entire family a debt of gratitude !

[@tjworker5482]

The Hulk! I tried to be him. But, I also made sacred to be Bruce. I was powerful as my super hero. I lived each day as Bruce, with common pride

[@mule1783]

I think Rorion choosing Royce had as much to do with knowing he couldn't control Rickson as it did with how much more physically imposing Rickson was. Definitely made the right call, but ive heard that a lot.

[@fullcirclepodcast201]

There are so many lies. Rickson was asked to fight in the UFC for free, but he refused because he had a family to feed; Rorion was pocketing all the money, and since Rickson could speak or read in English, he signed a contract saying that he could not fight in the US independently of Rorions management, that is the reason he ended up fighting in Japan. Royce to this day keeps repeating the same lies.

[@scarred10]

Rickson had already fallen out with rorion by then,Royce later left him too

[@deanosalvarto8851]

True legend

[@moxsim123]

his arm brar against Jason Deluca is the reason I got into BJJ

[@ronaldolivingthealoha2919]

A real representative of brazilians !! Oss

[@chrisblanchard4938]

That was awesome

[@dylanb2086]

Man Royce looks great. Dude barely ages

[@centristmiguel8581]

Kimo doesn't get enough credit for how he wore Gracie down. It was strength on strength but Kimo also bashed the crap and went top heavy on Royce's guard. He stacked him and it worked. What is now common knowledge basic BJJ. Stack the guard if you're bigger and kill the legs, then pass. Great interview

[@scarred10]

Joe moreira taught kimo the basics before the Royce fight.Royce never fought anyone as strong as kimo before that even though kimoi was useles technically

[@mikomiko926]

That fight would've been much different if royce didn't hold onto kimos pony tail (i'm sure that's a gracie jiu-jitsu move) and wear him down a lil and get a few shots in but i believe kimo would have pounded him out otherwise and at that point in the fight kimo was just way too strong for royce to pull anything off from the bottom i think kimo just would've muscled out of every grip and attempt from royce but that's my opinion. Either way kimo was the real winner cause royce had nothing 4 his next fight and had 2 withdraw and kimo came running out 2 celebrate fresh as a daisy and royce couldn't even walk on his own.

[@scarred10]

@@mikomiko926 hair pulling was allowed then.Royce pulled out due to exhaustion and the useless steve jenum went on to win the tournament. Royce certainly would have beaten him normally.Royces style was very weak for mma rules,better for no time limit vale tudo.

[@fifteenbyfive]

Very good interview wow. I feel like I actually know about Royce Gracie a little bit from watching this. Like the formative questions that we can understand how he became who he is. Buck looks exactly like Jordan Peterson when the camera is back at that side angle. So weird.

[@TheChrislair]

There is a lot of spiritual teaching in the way they pratice their Ju jutsu. Teaching by exemple is also what Ghandi spread around him, one of the bigest life lesson that he leaves to us .

[@DanT288]

Got my blue belt off of Royce

[@chenwang643]

he invented the leverage or emphasised on the concept of using leverage?

[@tjworker5482]

I have a daughter, she talks tough in her twenties. Never been in a real fight. When I was her age, I tried not to talk tough, because, by then, I’d been in many fights.. I wasn’t even close to being a Gracie 😂 I won and lost. I remember eating dinner after a bad fight in my neighborhood. I didn’t win, nor did the boy across from me. I salted my dinner and it was on my hands. I wiped my face with salty hands and that burn was so intense! Blood, salt and dinner as a boy. My dad looked at me with his eyes. He didn’t have to say a word! That’s not my son😂

[@dubzy8334]

Can't even see the highlights of Gracie vs shamrock ?

[@Rollsgracie4]

Love your family love all the stories love training from the beginning but all I can say is summer dream killers Renzo Gracie is the special one. God bless him, so is rolls Gracie. John Jacques Machado he gets about two. I’m all done now.

[@patrickcoletta7454]

Little disappointed your not showing some of the fight clips wth

[@bruceleemichaud6327]

Sakuraba?

[@heavywavezz]

Alex pereira would beat the sh** out of the whole favela with straight kickboxing💪🏽. Chama🔥

[@arkalonalan]

Yet he trains jiu jitsu in case he gets taken off his feet. Last I heard he was a brown belt

[@arkalonalan]

Yet he trains jiu jitsu in case he gets taken off his feet. Last I heard he was a brown belt

[@travisfoyil4625]

There's no takedown defense in kickboxing. Luckily for Alex, he's an MMA fighter now.

[@diegosb7200]

Mostrou personalidade ao dizer que não concorda com o fato de as mulheres praticarem um esporte tão sangrento.

[@donaldduke2233]

The Gracies call their style of Kano JuJitsu (Judo) Gracie JuJitsu. It is primarily Judo NeWaza, not taught much in Judo schools today. VERY IMPORTANT NOTE - The Gracies NEVER fight in a bout which does not have "special" rules to give the advantage to the Gracie. Every technique Royce Gracie used to become the UFC Champion that he was can be found in a little book called MY METHOD OF JUDO by Mikinosuke Kaiwashi, written before the Gracies "invented" them.

[@mikeb5372]

No rounds, no time limit, anything goes except biting and eye gouging. If those rules are designed to favor Gracie then what stupid point are you trying to make? Is being an idiot a choice you make or something you can't help?

[@MrShuanw]

Sakuraba was the Gracie's killer. He won all the Gracie's family

[@SomoshiphopRadio]

Bla bla bla. Ralek Gracie beat his ass eventually lol

[@marctoleds6259]

That's not true. Youre just a hater, kiddo

[@fullcirclepodcast201]

That is true, but be careful that the fun dumb boys will jump on you here.

[@jjs3890]

@@SomoshiphopRadio😂 only after the dis-Gracie’s tossed generation after generation at him. Sakarabe > Gracie family.

[@memysurname7521]

​@@jjs3890 It happens, sometimes you win sometimes you lose, Sakuraba himself faced defeat against a BJJ practioner in Arona, had to pull guard against the BJJ guy and still lost. He lost to one of the Nogueira brothers too. And many others Japanese catch wrestling guys lost to the Gracies . This is why people threat Sakuraba as so important. He is the exception to the rule that was the Gracies domination. And then, there's the whole Guy Mezger thing where it looks like the promotion declared Sakuraba the winner even tho he didn't won the match. And Sakuraba would later not only talk about it unapologetically but even make fun of mezger, showing he wasn't against "winning" matches on that way. What say much about his controversial win over Royler. To know more about Sakuraba "win" vs Mezger search "Pride and Glory Sakuraba Guy Mezger". Sakuraba confess pride didn't kept his contract and provoke Mezger even knowing what happened.

[@codyschaefer4353]

Greatest martial arts of all time!!!!

[@FR-ty5vn]

Why I train under Royce Black Belts…

[@Gimmeabreak460]

I’m sorry Joe but Royce does not hold the record for most submissions in the ufc or any other fight organization, OTHER than that great video 🫡

[@adamanderson4497]

Would have been a multi year champion in NCAA wrestling just wondering what people think I know it’s very different

[@libramoon9968]

Wasn't he juiced in the sakuraba rematch ?

[@BOBBOB-tx7ox]

Who wasn't. The Gracie's don't believe in drugs, that includes weed.

[@johnmarty2966]

Yeah, I believe he tested positive for steroids after the fight.

[@memysurname7521]

Sakuraba also had a suspicious bulking before one of his fights against Wand. And then, there's the whole Guy Mezger thing where it looks like the promotion declared Sakuraba the winner even tho he didn't won the match. And Sakuraba would later not only talk about it unapologetically but even make fun of mezger, showing he wasn't against "winning" matches on that way. What say much about his controversial win over Royler. To know more about Sakuraba "win" vs Mezger search "Pride and Glory Sakuraba Guy Mezger". Sakuraba confess pride didn't kept his contract and provoke Mezger even knowing what happened.

[@Jonathan2009]

This was one of the most disrespectful interviews I’ve seen in a long time. Royce is so gracious

[@travels129]

A young fit Gracie v jon jones JJ would be in trouble

[@GloryToGodInTheHighest]

Hey, here's a question: Why do these crazy TV makeup artists always want to put lipstick on guys to tell them they will look washed out if they don't? QUIT believing this!! Looking at 2 guys wearing pink and orange lipstick it's hard to listen to what's being said. Next time guys , 'JUST SAY NO" like Nancy Reagan said....lol....these makeup artists are so amateur... Hey Royce, drop me a line, I'll give you a few more technique tips...lol...with makeup that is!

[@dontworrybehappy8080]

Bruce Lee had the idea years ago. Not sure if he had the idea honed down. I kinda left this earth early.

[@JohnCossie]

Royce is not the youngest Son of Helio It’s Robin

[@matthewmckinney9348]

The Gracies are sham. Early UFCs were biased in their favor as a way to promote their art. Once people figured them out, they got crushed just like anyone else would. Their stuff is no better or worse than any other well trained art.

[@mr.e7789]

lol you must have never trained a day in your life 😂

[@evanleerodriguez1340]

The comedic one liners annoyed me! I get it a complete legend either way.

[@smiley-qb3nt]

Inlove royce but he only beat sakuraba bc he was way past his prime . He beat all the gracies in the there prime

[@Rollsgracie4]

Carlson Gracie and maybe Rener also Gracie I’m out done now

[@7ItalianStallion]

Weird I heard the Gracie history was fixed

[@Theodore-hc4rz]

Why is Joe wearing red lip stick

[@beboom]

O Royce usando batom é hilário demais... O cara ultra casca-grossa com os lábios brilhando... 🤣 Ainda assim, é uma verdadeira lenda do esporte. Sucesso e vida longa para o Royce!

[@demetriusnicolaidis5621]

I love Royce but the Gracie style of fighting has been outdated for 15 years. You think Hughes messed him up? None of the Gracies including Rickson would get out of the first round with any top 20 guy today.

[@BOBBOB-tx7ox]

Your comment is not correct, GJJ is built to fight in the real chaos of street fights or cage fights without any rules, time limits or weight classes. The UFC is entertainment and fast paced to deliver KO's. One of GJJ's important mindsets is to use energy efficiency and just wear your opponent down. GJJ is completely opposite of what the UFC has morphed into. The present UFC is kick boxing or boxing with smaller gloves. The present UFC would not allow a GJJ guy to fight because it would be boring. Rule sets make fights. Think deeper.

[@jameson6930]

Joe Montana would be a third string quarterback to the athletes of today

[@Stephen-lt1tp]

Yes, and Matt Hughes and everybody else learned Brazilian jujitsu. You don’t even have a point. Without Royce and the Gracie family people would still be years behind.

[@bluegregory6239]

@@jameson6930 No , he would not, and that's a very ignorant comment. Joe Montana is one of the Top 2 QBs of all time. Brock Purdy just made the SB. Do you really think he's better than Joe Cool, under today's softer rules?

[@TheRatoncito69]

the mistake you make is comparing past and present. real comparison the way I see it is that if the present go to past and just fight the way back not knowing whats today, who will win? then bring the past to present and fight like today without knowing the past. What will happen? they will evolve, too.

[@RichardsWorld]

Even Sakuraba wouldn't make this guy feel humble.

[@krusyaldabaoth9564]

Lol@ Never backed down from a fight. What about not wanting to fight against Sakuraba without a gi and when it went to a draw not daring to challenge Rickson Gracie in Vale Tudo rule for the right to submit the Gracie killer? (Yea Gracies don't challenge each other in pto fights...sure....just ask Rolls and Helio Gracie, oh wait their not GJJ guys. One is a judo guy who was proud of his heritage and promoted BRAZILIAN Jiu-Jitsu and the other was a Sambo Guy.

[@damon123jones]

awkward questioner, Gracie is fantastic

[@natecharp9604]

surf breakwall

[@Rollsgracie4]

What can I say we’re all human that’s being nice though

[@johnsmith-mk3zq]

Yes all good but then came along mr sakuraba the gracie killer & burst the gracie bubble

[@GrasshopperandtheBear]

👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@curraja14]

Met him at a seminar.... Total prick. But, it was cool to see him.

[@russellsidell]

Really? He always seems like a great guy in interviews. Sad to hear that.

[@thyslop1737]

My exact feelings. Now has to live here to be a carpetbagger. Try to express your true feelings here then you will get banned.

[@BOBBOB-tx7ox]

His perceived rudeness is cultural, I train with the family, once you get to know them, they are some of the warmest people on earth.

[@libramoon9968]

Ok ok looks like your the defender and police of this comment section

[@Snoopyu3q]

I met him he was cool In Torrence ca

[@msg63bretired82]

Sorry thumbs down for cutting out the fight scenes. Thanks for posting.

[@idx1941]

It would be due to copyright issues...blame Dana.

[@msg63bretired82]

@@idx1941 thank you for your reply. I will change my rating.

[@danielonorato6418]

Great guest. Joe is too self loathing.

[@Rocky-d7t1q]

I was going to change my name to Gracie, Rickson give me may Red Belt only red belt in the mid west😊

[@ryanb5768]

They were wrong

[@ryanb5768]

They were wrong

[@ryanb5768]

They were wrong

[@ryanb5768]

They were wrong

[@ryanb5768]

They were wrong

[@mikomiko926]

Good interview always loved Royce but why is he saying he's 49 he's 57 lol. Anyway, i enjoyed this interview and is it me or is Joe buck wearing lipstick?

[@korranis1]

I rolled with Royce years ago and I submitted him with a triangle…I remember that dream vividly

[@ElMakz]

Royce gracia won that ufc because they carefully picked out, out of shape fighters that they knew he could beat. It was a scam.

[@jjs3890]

💯

[@smiley-qb3nt]

Rickson is 5 ft 8 and and just more muscle but not bigger than Royce but better

[@chipsebastian8657]

This is a nice, quaint interview, but with quite a bit of misinformation. The Gracies have yet to prove any claims of "additions" or "improvements" on the already-existing Jujustu and Judo, most notably from Kano. For him to say there's been no arrogance with the Gracies and BBJ is the epitome of arrogance. Comparing Helio to Mike Tyson is like comparing Justin Bieber to Sinatra. See Bill Wallace's comments on the first UFC. He was there and he's talked often about how rigged it was, which is why he was never invited back to adjudicate. It's nice many people have been getting back to traditional, effective self defense training, and the Gracie fad is finally winding down.

[@yew2oob954]

Traditional, effective self-defense training...like what exactly?

[@chipsebastian8657]

@@yew2oob954 Kempo, Karate, Jujutsu, Weapons, and other complete systems, ideally, that have zero focus on sport and are 100% street/military/combat effective. I have no qualms with BJJ, as I have no qualms with javelin throwing or ping pong. It's when they claim self defense effectiveness and get people hurt where I have to call BS. This is especially true if people are claiming to have invented or originated or even "improved" on well-esteblished arts that have been used on the street and in combat for centuries.

[@yew2oob954]

@@chipsebastian8657 How long have you trained any or all of these "complete" systems. Without a sport aspect how do you know that are "100%" effective?

[@chipsebastian8657]

@@yew2oob954I've trained since 1984, and specifically in traditional self defense since 1993. It's fallacy to think if you win a match you win in a street fight, especially against and attacker or multiple attackers with weapons, a lot bigger than you, when you're unprepared for it, when you're on pavement or gravel, etc. There is absolutely no evidence to bear this out to justify "playing" at self defense. How do I know the effectiveness? Well, what did the Samurai use on the battlefield and to defend hearth and home? Pre-sport Karate, Jujutsu, weapons training. The Chinese armies, as Chuan Fa developed? Pre-sport Kung-Fu, Chin Na, weapons training. I suppose we could train our 60-year old, 90lb. ladies to roll around with a guy until she chokes him out, while coming out of the store with her arms full of groceries, though.

[@yew2oob954]

@@chipsebastian8657 That sounds good but what you've said is a lie: You mentioned that BJJ is lacking and unrealistic because in the case of: Multiple Attackers Weapons Bigger People it would not work. In the first two cases, with multiple attackers and weapons you can literally run away and in fact, that would be the best option. So the "systems" you've claimed are "better" do not offer a "better" solution. For the final point, if you are claiming that BJJ has not proven itself against bigger opponents, you are outright lying. You are living in a fantasy land where the stories of the Samurai mean you don't have to test anything. How do you "know" your "more complete" systems work at all if there is no sport component?

[@truthseekerKJV]

I'm pretty sure the UFC lineup of today would be a lot harder for Royce to beat than that inexperienced bar brawlers he faced 25 years ago. I would like to see him come back and face Khabib, since they're both strictly ground.

[@gustotron]

How they gonna make Royce wear lipstick for this interview?? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@brewcity2317]

It's impossible for you to personal land on Mars. Feel free to prove me wrong.