Royer Labs R-Series Ribbon Transducer Explained

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@jeffreymoffitt4070
@jeffreymoffitt4070 2 жыл бұрын
I just watched two videos, one where a guy made one with a 3d printer and another used aluminum foil from a pack of gum. They both referenced your videos for inspiration. This transparency is needed more in the world
@curtvincent3728
@curtvincent3728 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant material! Much to my wife's dismay, I spent a chunk of our vacation watching every video on ribbon mics, ribbon replacement, corrugation tools and resonant frequency tuning that I could find. Royer is very open and free with its knowledge so I respect Royer immensely. I have over 40 ribbon mics and am very partial to RCA for many personal and romantic reasons. I have 5 RCA BX 44, 13 RCA 77s as well as a handful of BK5A and 74Bs. But I am adding some Royers. David's work is admirable. He has pushed the state of the art. Making the motor as a removable component is a stroke of genius. Easy maintenance and ribbon placement and tuning. Thank you John, you make amazing videos.
@stupendousmusic4190
@stupendousmusic4190 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to meet another ribbon freak 👏🏻
@indisag
@indisag Жыл бұрын
sir pls, explain step up transformer winding ratio wire turns lenght all off
@Espresso101
@Espresso101 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this together guys. Really appreciate the education and deep dive into your transducers.
@royerlabs
@royerlabs 2 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome!
@Espresso101
@Espresso101 2 жыл бұрын
@@royerlabs It was an excellent video. Would love to see one detailing the difference between high-end and budget ribbon mics.
@thepresence1349
@thepresence1349 Жыл бұрын
Wow awesome explanation and awesome mic 👍
@tkuerrev
@tkuerrev 7 жыл бұрын
Very good and meaningful video. Thanks John!
@royerlabs
@royerlabs 6 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@vidsforsquids
@vidsforsquids 3 жыл бұрын
These guys made our lives easier !!
@royerlabs
@royerlabs 3 жыл бұрын
🙌 We try!
@KarlMiller-DjKarl
@KarlMiller-DjKarl 7 жыл бұрын
Wish I had some old R-121 ribbon mics.Use the on my logic pro all the time…☮️🔥
@FrankOlsonTwins
@FrankOlsonTwins 5 жыл бұрын
Worth every penny!
@winterpegers
@winterpegers 4 жыл бұрын
I can’t see any info in the cut sheet about the r-10’s spl handling when reversed. Will I damage the mic by reversing it near a loud source, or will it just distort as the ribbon is driven into the non-linear range? Thanks.
@rafirafal
@rafirafal 3 жыл бұрын
can larger magnets be used? 100x10x10mm Will the performance be good?
@tomhaaima1810
@tomhaaima1810 6 жыл бұрын
i don't really get the ribbon offset to the front thingy, if sound is constructed out of sine waves, then for positive pressure the ribbon wil move to the back of the mic, but then for equal negative pressure the ribbon wil move equal distance to the front, right?? wont the ribbon because of the offset get out past the magnets even further then if it would be centred ?? (lets say the ''dampening screens'' would not be in place) most likely im missing some important information, this is just the first thing that crossed my mind when he said their mics are able to handle higher spl's because of the offset ribbon. tom
@royerlabs
@royerlabs 5 жыл бұрын
The purpose of the offset ribbon and wide flux gap is to make certain that as the ribbon is driven harder the ribbon remain in the most powerful area of magnetism. Regarding sound wave, rarely does audio content consist of sign waves, so thinking in those terms could be misleading. In practical terms, the front of the microphone is directed to the stronger acoustic source and the rear, which is out of phase, receives mostly ambience. We were very careful when we designed the offset ribbon technology and calculated the dampening screens size, and porous properties of the screen, as well as ribbon dimensions and flux gaps.
@chansetwo
@chansetwo 5 жыл бұрын
@@royerlabs This discussion reminds me of a question I've always had about ribbon transducers. I know back in the day, radio actors were placed on opposite sides of the mic for recording dialogue. Today, recording engineers place different sources on each side of the mic. Why doesn't the ribbon fight itself trying to pick-up sound pressure from both sides at the same time?
@hxhdfjifzirstc894
@hxhdfjifzirstc894 5 жыл бұрын
@@chansetwo If I understand your question correctly, the ribbon does 'fight itself' when multiple sounds hit at the same time. But so does everything... your ears, etc. Sounds are always combining and altering eachother... for example certain frequencies of sound are boosted or cut, depending on room dimensions, as the sound waves either add together or cancel eachother out. So it's not really the ribbon fighting with itself, but the two sounds on each side of the ribbon. Bose noise cancelling headphones would be another example. The dimensions of the magnets and steel frame affect this as well... the larger they are, the more high end roll off there is in the sounds... or rather, the roll off begins at a lower and lower frequency as size increases.
@TiqueO6
@TiqueO6 4 жыл бұрын
@@chansetwo that is interesting to think about; what comes to mind is that with two completely different sound sources on opposite sides of the mic the complexity of the timing of the sound waves and their differences, (that is how differently they hit the ribbon element in time, intensity and frequency compared to each other), those differences are so great that we probably don't perceive very much of the cancellation summing etc. effects that could occur if it was the same source reflecting off the room and back into the back of the mic (or even the single source being loud enough and close enough to the front to reach around to the back and create what I was speculating could be a natural form of gain reduction/compression, a discussion that I would like to see talked about. I see that as a very natural form of gain reduction or compression).
@TiqueO6
@TiqueO6 4 жыл бұрын
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 looking at magnetic flux intensity is a subject too often ignored as to the sensitivity of the mic and damping effects not only in amplitude but also in frequency response and true sound reproduction
6 жыл бұрын
Hey Royer! :) i always wondered if the the wavy surface of the ribbon causes phase issues since the soundwave hits the ribbon at a different time. does this make a difference ? have you experimented with only corregating parts of the aluminum foil?
@royerlabs
@royerlabs 5 жыл бұрын
The spacing on the corrugations has virtually no effect on phase because the spacing is so close. We have experimented with non-corrugated ribbons and they do not perform as well as a corrugated ribbon because they lack elasticity.
5 жыл бұрын
@@royerlabs oh cool thanks a lot for the answer! I found out the beyerdynamic m160 has only a a few waves and then a big part that is not corregated and i really wanna find out why... love ribbons so much and i experiment around myself but some things are not measurable for me. And there is another experiment i want to do myself. I got that idea from motorbike suspensions and that is progressive corregating. So the corregations on the ankerpoint are bigger and get smaller to the middle. That means it stays responsive but is stiffer when it gets stretched. Sorry for all the unneccessary information i just love your ribbon mics and experimenting ^^
@tuknchuk
@tuknchuk 3 жыл бұрын
Wow !!! Incredible video, thanks so much for sharing. : ) Some of us love to know why and how. This video is like “Crack”.
@ChrisEbbrsen
@ChrisEbbrsen 2 ай бұрын
Fastenating! Thank you!
@operasinger2126
@operasinger2126 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@royerlabs
@royerlabs 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@MrObelisk2290
@MrObelisk2290 6 жыл бұрын
Usda pair of 121 on piano with a great player with A WIDE DYNAMIC RANGE, SUPER
@patrickchristofaro1311
@patrickchristofaro1311 6 жыл бұрын
What would happen if you didn't corrugate the foil?
@chromaticsamples7788
@chromaticsamples7788 6 жыл бұрын
The folds give the foil structure. Being less than 10 microns, the ribbon has no strength. In other words, folds make the ribbon not tear in normal circumstances .
@l_shaun_bunds_l
@l_shaun_bunds_l 5 жыл бұрын
It would rip and flex
@timoheinrich8763
@timoheinrich8763 3 жыл бұрын
Royer wrote here on a different question: "We have experimented with non-corrugated ribbons and they do not perform as well as a corrugated ribbon because they lack elasticity."
@emmiejo1
@emmiejo1 8 жыл бұрын
I have 2 R101's they are on my guitar cabs along with a SM57 99.9 % of the time I record electric guitar
@GR8SALAD
@GR8SALAD 6 жыл бұрын
I feel like the screws on one of these transducers are worth more than my cheapo chinese ribbon mic all together :o jokes aside, these are beautiful. I love ribbon mics just on their technicality, but I don't record any music. I don't think I could justify getting one of these just for VoiP
@anthonysilva5312
@anthonysilva5312 5 жыл бұрын
R10...any thoughts!?
@praveenkumar-wi3ej
@praveenkumar-wi3ej 6 жыл бұрын
Execellent
@larryatha3221
@larryatha3221 4 жыл бұрын
you said the transducer "moves in response to sound pressure" several times but I thought ribbon mics responds to the velocity of sound waves - something like an anemometer and not a pressure gauge- this being the difference in phenomenology between a ribbon mic and both dynamic and condenser mics that do - in fact transduce sound pressure.
@curtvincent3728
@curtvincent3728 3 жыл бұрын
I came up with a question this month that the Internet has not solved for me. I watched videos from Royer about using an oscilloscope in X-Y mode to produce a Lissajous curve to set the ribbon to the exact right tension based on the resonant frequency. OK, I understand but I will be damned if I know where to place the two scope probes! If you put them on each end of the ribbon they are in phase so the Lissajous is in phase regardless of frequency. Maddening. Any thoughts? I don't even know who to ask!
@curtvincent3728
@curtvincent3728 23 күн бұрын
I posted this comment 3 years ago and soon after I was introduced to Stewart Tavener of Extinct Audio. He explained the process to me in great detail so I've since mastered the process. And for what it's worth I bought a mic from Extinct Audio as a "thanks ". Royer, AEA and Extinct are all incredible mics. But I just want to thank John for his willingness to teach us all so much about Royer. Amazing company!
@hifijohn
@hifijohn 11 ай бұрын
Just finished my latest ribbon mic and didnt use ribbon mic foil its too expensive and far too fragile I used the foil from a film capacitor, costs nothing is very rugged and much easier to work with.
@deadlinkofficialartst5592
@deadlinkofficialartst5592 2 жыл бұрын
you can all so make that Ribbon mic into a Ribbon Speaker
@nettyvoyager6336
@nettyvoyager6336 7 жыл бұрын
because neodymium magnets can do that people will start experimenting more with them as time goes by its future tech pasta maker lol
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