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Standard v Long Range convoy comparison of New 2024 Tesla Model 3 Highland

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@richardhawkins3021
@richardhawkins3021 6 ай бұрын
One important benefit of the SR though: being a LFP battery means charging to 100% as a matter of routine which gives a day-to- day range comparable to the LR.
@majordelays4909
@majordelays4909 6 ай бұрын
“ sure ‘bout that?” 😂
@gohumberto
@gohumberto 6 ай бұрын
Exactly. No battery conservation regime required. >250 miles waiting on the driveway every morning. What's not to love about that? I think I drove more than 250 miles in one stint a couple of times in the last 5 years (House-hunting in South West France, trying to get there from Newhaven-Dieppe to Bergerac as quickly as possible on the (beautiful) Autoroute). A realistic 250 miles plus an anxiety buffer of 30 miles suits me down to the ground for 99.999% of my driving.
@Harakai100
@Harakai100 6 ай бұрын
It's a nice bonus, but then again who actually does a spontaneous 200+ mile trip on the fly without time to charge those last 10/20% first?
@arbitrary76
@arbitrary76 6 ай бұрын
Good point. You can charge an LR to 100% just before a long trip, but not every day. I think the range of the SR is plenty for many people. I have an LR Model Y rather than an SR, but that is mostly because I wanted AWD.
@SamiPaju
@SamiPaju 6 ай бұрын
I’ve been trying to find an answer to this, and the best I’ve found is that LFP batteries take a bigger hit in range and charging speeds in freezing temperatures compared to NMC batteries. But it’s tough to find any proper testing with exact data and numbers. Anyway, my point being that despite the advantage you mentioned, LFP battery range might not actually be that good in cold weather.
@welsley3300
@welsley3300 6 ай бұрын
Interesting review. I currently have a 3.5 year old Model 3 Long Range. One thing I consider is the residual value after say 4 years of ownership. The LR should be worth more when I come to sell it. Maybe 4k more? Therefore over the 4 years, the ‘real’ cost is an extra 6k that would give me faster 0-60, longer range, better stereo and 4WD. Plus the battery range will degrade over time so the real world range will remain stronger. On this basis I’d go for LR again. Happy to be challenged on these numbers!
@apekatt2007
@apekatt2007 6 ай бұрын
Very useful! Saving the 10k! Thanks to converting to kWh/100 km
@realmcerono
@realmcerono 6 ай бұрын
So the SR is what I would need... but the LR is what I want 😅
@RSEV
@RSEV 6 ай бұрын
Ha yes that’s a good summary
@tonymai1844
@tonymai1844 3 ай бұрын
I got 23' mod3 SR. It get charge many times. I do slow charge and I can do 100% all the time. But long trip, the LR will be better. I do want LR. Better sound, better light option, but 10k money different is little stiff. 5k-7k is about right.
@BTFD0618
@BTFD0618 Ай бұрын
performance baby
@vhol93
@vhol93 6 ай бұрын
Awesome, thanks for mentioning the audio in SR !
@ProsixOfficial
@ProsixOfficial Ай бұрын
SR has no subwoofer?? Is it easy to add one?
@mconnah1
@mconnah1 6 ай бұрын
In my Highland LR, I drove around country roads in Wales at the speed limits of mostly 50/60 with the usual 30mph villages, at 10°C with 60% charge and ended up with 191Wh per mile, or a calculated range of 393 miles, which is a bit crazy… 220Wh per mile on the motorway…
@user-pk5ek1uz8o
@user-pk5ek1uz8o 6 ай бұрын
Wow that’s efficient drivetrain ..
@arbitrary76
@arbitrary76 6 ай бұрын
Impressive! Good regen from the front motor? Richard noted in the video the SR had less regen.
@briankavanagh7191
@briankavanagh7191 6 ай бұрын
Mc, its 20 mph in the villages.
@mconnah1
@mconnah1 6 ай бұрын
Oops not much Wales, mainly Shropshire!
@Minurz
@Minurz 6 ай бұрын
I have gotten range estimates of around 460 miles driving around flat areas in my Ioniq 6...In the California mountains it drops down to 420 sadly
@gfusion
@gfusion 6 ай бұрын
Having done about 200 mile testing on the Highland SR the fact that it will outrange my 2020 M3P supposed "Long Range AWD" by some margin just shows you how much things have changed in the land of Tesla efficiency 😅 Still love it though, but credit where credit is due!
@twotone3871
@twotone3871 6 ай бұрын
Only Plaid Teslas are true AWD. The LR RWD with traction control for the front only - rear wheels have to slip to engage.
@i.d.6492
@i.d.6492 3 ай бұрын
Why is everyone calling it highland? It's doesn't call that, even Elon said it doesn't call highland
@jalenloveslegos
@jalenloveslegos 2 ай бұрын
@@i.d.6492 Its because the new model 3 refresh was codenamed "highland" by tesla, basically jargon people like to use to sound smarter than people who don't understand it
@i.d.6492
@i.d.6492 2 ай бұрын
@@jalenloveslegos no it was not, where did you get thd info, Elon himself said it was never called "highland" yall just making shit up😂
@jalenloveslegos
@jalenloveslegos 2 ай бұрын
@@i.d.6492 Cool story bro
@tomstringer3951
@tomstringer3951 6 ай бұрын
Thanks Richard and team another great video. The SR is all the car I would need as it enables me to drive home non stop (most of the time) from my daughter near Chester and Gatwick. I also road trip once a year to my son in Zurich so I’d probably only need charge Reims and Nancy in summertime.
@Jaw0lf
@Jaw0lf 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for doing this comparison, it looks like the standard range is a good increase and near 300 mile in the real world tests. I would choose the standard range as it is not often that I need the extra range and it would be far quicker than my current Kia E Niro.
@paulhilling6208
@paulhilling6208 6 ай бұрын
Great video just what we needed ! Cheers guys best Ev channel on KZbin
@alancobbin
@alancobbin 6 ай бұрын
Definitely worth getting the standard range for my personal preference,not to mention in summer 5mile per kWh would easily be achievable,cheers guys 👍😉💪
@arranparkinson6271
@arranparkinson6271 6 ай бұрын
Thankyou for another great video, keep up the good work, haven't found anyone else who give such clear analysis with a complete unbias . I wish you guys all the best.
@johnbev2336
@johnbev2336 6 ай бұрын
Another great video Richard, great comparison . I love watching your videos.
@UK-Cycling
@UK-Cycling 6 ай бұрын
Great comparison, thanks Richard and Gints. SR for me; a better battery and my bladder can’t last the extra 120kms🤣Best regards Martin
@napobg6842
@napobg6842 5 ай бұрын
What is better exactly on a battery that barely get more efficiency against a heavier car with an extra motor?
@TalReviews
@TalReviews Ай бұрын
@@napobg6842you didn't watch the video huh? You can charge it to 100% daily.
@napobg6842
@napobg6842 Ай бұрын
@@TalReviews Yes, you can, if you want to ruin your battery
@BigRobLandan
@BigRobLandan 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for doing this video, SR is the one for me. 286M give or take is decent and living in London will give me access to super charging is I need to, whilst being to charge at home too. Thanks for mentioning the audio too!
@AirElectricApp
@AirElectricApp 6 ай бұрын
You are not going to get 286M on long trips or short trips whilst using the heater a lot in London. Don't expect that. This is pretty much the besdt you will get out of the car.
@BigRobLandan
@BigRobLandan 6 ай бұрын
@@AirElectricAppso what do you think? 250?
@AirElectricApp
@AirElectricApp 6 ай бұрын
@@BigRobLandanHard to give a number as it depends on many things. On a zero C to negative C Weather day, with short runs in London, a lot of stopngo with a cold battery - your best bet would be about 160miles from 100% to 0%. In a normal winter day if you don't abuse the heater a lot, with StopNGo, maybe 200miles. Maybe less. With the heater off maybe 220 miles. You will also have to factor in things like sentry if you use it (this drains the battery while parked - it is best not to use it when you don't really need it). In the summer 280miles would be possible in the city as a max range.
@JJ-cb7km
@JJ-cb7km 5 ай бұрын
Driving in London use roughly 240-290Wh, driving m25 about 215Wh
@BigRobLandan
@BigRobLandan 5 ай бұрын
So what’s point of LR then if your recommended to charge to 80% most of the time? Would the range at 80% on LR match or there abouts 100% charge of Sr? So get the LR if you going to lots of long journeys but it’s recommended not to charge to beyond 80% often. Understanding EVs is tough, maybe just stick to my diesel car 😂😂
@wakeywarrior
@wakeywarrior 6 ай бұрын
Good video, I have been waiting for this one. I have the 2022 LFP and as proven on my tests on my channel, I get 280+ miles in half decent weather at normal motorway speeds on long journeys. The RWD is more efficient. Big advantage is charge to 100% each time. I think for £10k less, the LR is a ‘hard sell’ for most. My 2022 RWD is a fantastic car, I prefer it to my 2018 S. I drive everywhere no issue, distance is not a problem in the RWD. Looks like the new one may get slightly more miles, but not much. I actually find the audio in my 2022 RWD fantastic, better than the enhanced audio in the S. Nice to hear this one may be even better.
@andreasl4507
@andreasl4507 5 ай бұрын
Boring
@wavesnowaves
@wavesnowaves 5 ай бұрын
Day to day normal driving you won't notice a difference. But as soon as you know in advance that you need to do a longer trip, you can charge the LR to 100%, and get a lot more range. So if you're doing quite some longer drives, I would still recommend the LR.
@Fumbiii16
@Fumbiii16 2 ай бұрын
@@wavesnowaves the LG long range battery is poop. garbage battery pack. charges very slow after 30 percent its not a good road tripper if it doesnt charge quick. the ioniq 6 charges way faster im not comparing them but comparing the lg battery to last model 3 Panasonic its different. charging curve is bad
@markymarkreviews
@markymarkreviews 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for this. And a mini review of the audio as the premium sound is not available on the SR. Very impressive range for a 57 or so kWh battery.
@markdawson4625
@markdawson4625 6 ай бұрын
Thank you Richard for a real world comparison proving that both versions are vastly more efficient than its rivals. A certain well known motoring magazine should take tips from you guys on how to compare
@Aztasu
@Aztasu 6 ай бұрын
Lol they are not
@logitech4873
@logitech4873 6 ай бұрын
@@Aztasu Which EV is more efficient?
@cokyrobes
@cokyrobes 6 ай бұрын
I’ve got a Model Y LR and have been using an i4 and Polestar 2 for work for approx 5k miles each. Just had the new Model 3 RWD for a week demo. It’s incredible and definitely the best value car on the market
@r3x_delta30
@r3x_delta30 6 ай бұрын
This video makes me confident to buy the rwd and save some money. Thank you! :)
@RSEV
@RSEV 6 ай бұрын
Referral code in the video description
@timwilkinson8023
@timwilkinson8023 6 ай бұрын
Good comparison. Thanks for finding the opportunities and posting.
@ramblerandy2397
@ramblerandy2397 6 ай бұрын
Nice comparison test video. My nephew is all fired up to get a Tesla M3 of some description. Thing is, he can't make his mind up if he wants a used 2023 M3 LR or Std or New 2024 model. They are becoming very affordable now Used with decent low-ish mileage. My opinion? Seriously, if a Highland is going to put you badly out of pocket, a used heat pump model M3 is very appealing. Especially if you've never been that used to a Tesla, as he hasn't. Though he has test driven both those 2023 options now and loves them both, but also loves the sharper looks of the 2024s.
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 6 ай бұрын
Send him to Richard!
@ramblerandy2397
@ramblerandy2397 6 ай бұрын
@@rogerstarkey5390 I did suggest it.
@madcam3899
@madcam3899 6 ай бұрын
Great stuff guys, love your videos. Really love the look of the new m3. Very tempted to trade my y for the new 3. Thanks
@TalReviews
@TalReviews Ай бұрын
Wait another year and trade your Y for the facelifted Y :)
@supersonic79
@supersonic79 6 ай бұрын
Ridefinement is important 😉 Standard Range seems like more than enough car for most people. Good test 👍🏻
@SergeiFedorov77
@SergeiFedorov77 6 ай бұрын
Even though the visual improvements of the new 3 are subtle they have vastly improved the looks of this car. It looks really, really good!
@DaveVantage
@DaveVantage 6 ай бұрын
70 miles extra would be a massive benefit if you don't have access to home charging.
@maxflight777
@maxflight777 6 ай бұрын
It is a shame that the cheaper car has the inferior audio. Great comparison Richard.
@slicklace
@slicklace 6 ай бұрын
How good does it look in red 😍
@timogronroos4642
@timogronroos4642 6 ай бұрын
Based on that test, LR would have 453 km at 80% (max. recommended daily charge level) and SR would be 460 km at 100%. So you would start each day with the same range and lose only in longer journeys. SR is a beast for its price.
@RSEV
@RSEV 6 ай бұрын
Totally true. But to have an extra 20% available to you when on long trips it’s a pretty big booster
@Lost_In_LA
@Lost_In_LA 5 ай бұрын
​@@RSEV You get that 20% boost for the first leg. After that, you are likely charging only to the what you can fast charge until you finally get to your destination. It's not clear to me what that means in absolute miles but I heard it argued it closes the gap even further.
@akinpriestley3901
@akinpriestley3901 6 ай бұрын
Thanks Richard. I currently own LR model 3. When I drove the new SR highland, I was blown away! It’s far superior to the previous LR model 3. It’s very fast, very quiet, very sleek, luxurious and beautiful to behold. 👏🏾🕺🏾👍🏾🥰Thank you Tesla.
@axelc8611
@axelc8611 6 ай бұрын
Test drove the RWD today sound system is incredible very impressive and a big improvement over my 2022 rwd
@Mamba310
@Mamba310 6 ай бұрын
Do not test drive the long range if you’re considering the SR
@HermanWillems
@HermanWillems 6 ай бұрын
Ok i own a Tesla 2022 RWD, and i love the sound system. And you say its a BIG improvement? :) LOL it's better for myself probably to NOT drive the Highland to keep myself happy and keep the money in the pocket.
@twotone3871
@twotone3871 6 ай бұрын
@@HermanWillems If you have kids don't forget to teach them about the emergency exit in the rear as it is like no other car. And if power goes have them jump the front seat as there's no way in to the rear from the outside.
@HermanWillems
@HermanWillems 6 ай бұрын
@@twotone3871 no kids. Sorry. Wish i had them though. Not easy to find a decent woman to actually start a family with. Money is easy. Woman are difficult.
@adityanair5340
@adityanair5340 2 күн бұрын
@@Mamba310why not?
@shaunwalsh6354
@shaunwalsh6354 6 ай бұрын
Great review Richard, I was interested to see this one.
@yellowknife89
@yellowknife89 6 ай бұрын
Another amazing video!
@davedyer3654
@davedyer3654 6 ай бұрын
I have the ‘old’ SR with LFP and leave home with 260@100% charge, it suites me fine
@taskin1379
@taskin1379 8 күн бұрын
Switched from 22 m3p to 24 lr. 24 lr is the best car i've driven. Highland is a totally different experience. I love it. Definitely recommend it.
@vecsy90
@vecsy90 6 ай бұрын
For company car and for people who drive long distance very often, the LR model worth the extra £10k. Also, in countries with snow, the AWD LR could be crucial. For me, the SR Highland consumes 14% battery during a 70km daily commute. I got 3,500km in 2 months and the avergae consumption is 12,9kwh/100km. That's 450km range on a single charge in average. I've not used superchargers yet. Only charging in my garage at 16A 3,6kw/h (slowest possible wall charger). I don't even need an expensive higher capacity wall charger. In 8 hours during the night it charges 45% which covers 3 days of my commute. I've already saved over €200 on petrol. Insurance a little bit higher but there's no road tax and annual maintenance. So for people like me it's a no brainer to have an EV. Fast, quite, comfortable, cheap to run. Thanks for the video, it shows I've made the right decision with the SR 😊
@rajbadwal85
@rajbadwal85 6 ай бұрын
Looking forward to this one!
@mikevct
@mikevct 6 ай бұрын
Nice comparison! Thank you guys...very informative!! Cheers!
@Mamba310
@Mamba310 6 ай бұрын
not sold on the longevity of the LFP. Tesla switched to this battery during the chip shortage, put it in the cheapest Tesla, and all of a sudden it became the “most durable battery”. If they really thought that, why is the battery warranty only 100k miles compared to the long range 120k mile warranty?
@Paul-ow9dd
@Paul-ow9dd 6 ай бұрын
Yep. See my reply to your previous post.
@delusion2987
@delusion2987 3 ай бұрын
LFP has lower degradation than NMC, logically it will last longer. look up degradation data. the drawback with LFP is the lower energy density, basically it is a heavier pack for a given amount of energy.
@franklong6269
@franklong6269 2 ай бұрын
The LFP batteries are superior to the NMC batteries in every way. They are taking the solar industry by storm. They will charge 6000 cycles or 16.4 years if you charge every day, while maintaining 80 - 90% of its capacity. NMC batteries are inferior by comparison.
@Jemacaza
@Jemacaza 6 ай бұрын
Best Tesla reviews, awesome video again. Thank you
@pcr8918
@pcr8918 6 ай бұрын
Bought an early Polestar2 2020 as Tesla demos at that time had bits falling off. Couldn’t cope with hard ride and sold it early on. These reviews are making me think time to revisit with increased comfort build quality.. and the network of course.
@glassfiend138
@glassfiend138 6 ай бұрын
I am mostly concerned about the audio, but glad to hear its not that much different. My current car doesn't have "premium" audio anyway. Just waiting for delivery of highland. Cheers
@RSEV
@RSEV 6 ай бұрын
At motorway speeds it kinda misses the bass and depth from the back, but it’s pretty decent really
@Terry2A
@Terry2A 13 күн бұрын
Exactly what I needed to know. THANKS!
@Fritsvrolijk
@Fritsvrolijk 6 ай бұрын
Thanks Pro regards from Holland
@tr4nnel752
@tr4nnel752 6 ай бұрын
Just searched for this, nice timing:) The long range is a bit of a weird proposition, you cannot really justify buying it given the price difference. I am glad Tesla made the standard range so good, I think all in all it is a positive for consumers. Would love a standard range with the bigger battery though and only a 4k increase or something.
@gfusion
@gfusion 6 ай бұрын
This. The figures the RWD is pulling now from my own testing if I got another one Id seriously consider it over a LR or P the efficiency is rediculous. They are quick enough.
@trevorshields7347
@trevorshields7347 2 ай бұрын
​@@gfusionif you drove the long range for a few months then drove the Std range I believe you would change your mind
@molepatrol7529
@molepatrol7529 6 ай бұрын
Really tough decision. I like added surity of 4WD but longevity if you buy outright maybe better with LFP?
@alexanderkrichevsky9194
@alexanderkrichevsky9194 6 ай бұрын
Is it correct that SR comes with LFP batteries, and LR does not? If so, the real everyday range is the same for you can routinely charge the LFP batteries to 100% while NCA batteries recommended charge level is 80%. 352*0.8=281. Your projected range is 286 miles for SR, so in fact it can drive even longer! Battery degradation is expected to be lower for the LFPs as well...
@RSEV
@RSEV 6 ай бұрын
Yes LFP and my range calcs use pro rate 100-0%
@taefravis
@taefravis 6 ай бұрын
Yes but with the LR you keep the limit set to 80% for when you drive locally and when you go on a road trip you can charge to 100% and get the full range and that will result in less degradation.
@fabiojorgesousa
@fabiojorgesousa 2 ай бұрын
Spectacular. I’m considering buying one and realizing the difference of what is delivered in relation to the price is really very important. Thank you very much for the video.
@jamesdaw131
@jamesdaw131 6 ай бұрын
Best electric car channel on KZbin. If I buy a second hand Tesla - it’ll be from these guys. Worth the extra k or so compared tonautotrader
@RSEV
@RSEV 6 ай бұрын
🤝👍 thanks for such nice words
@omarastacio3939
@omarastacio3939 6 ай бұрын
Does the SR use LFP over there as well? If so, 80% of LR and 100% of SR (The recommended charge limits) are almost identical.
@superleggenda
@superleggenda 6 ай бұрын
The LR should have an 82kwh battery (75 usable), and it is not 4WD, it is AWD. The car is mostly rear wheel drive, the front motor is used for regenerative braking, during heavy acceleration and when the road is slippery.
@gtschallenge
@gtschallenge 6 ай бұрын
If the road is not slippery and you are accelerating mildly in a straight line, it should not matter at all which motor is pulling - it should be the more efficient one for the speed, conditions.
@RSEV
@RSEV 6 ай бұрын
Quite aware of what drives what but try and balance how much Info to put into video. FYI it’s 79kwh. Could be 82kwh in Europe but we’ve never had that for LR in the UK. We had 82 in performance for a bit before they also went 79kwh
@thesherbster
@thesherbster 2 ай бұрын
Great video guys, thanks! This is perfect as I was considering whether to go SR or LR once my current lease finishes… originally was thinking LR but then later thought with the efficiency improvements etc that SR would probably be fine and a lot cheaper… you’ve confirmed this for me today 😃
@stevejlouis5446
@stevejlouis5446 6 ай бұрын
Always enjoy your videos and thank you very much for the conversion to metric.
@baronsilverbaron757
@baronsilverbaron757 6 ай бұрын
I've had my standard range Tesla Y for one year. The reason I went for the standard range was the LFP battery. 100% charging. No fire risk. Much longer battery life.
@fsclips
@fsclips 6 ай бұрын
We have the Highland SR Model 3 and plug it in every evening to trickle charge it to 100%. Given that the LR should only be charged to 80% and that otherwise they are almost identical, I struggle to find a reason for the extra cost. Maybe if one day the LR gets LFP batteries to unlock the full range on a daily basis, but for now it doesn't seem all that attractive to me.
@Teddy_M85
@Teddy_M85 6 ай бұрын
Wow. Both cars are super efficient.
@RSEV
@RSEV 6 ай бұрын
Yes they are!
@ALf-mn3qe
@ALf-mn3qe 6 ай бұрын
Low consumption so great efficiency, but low average speed 84km/h 52.19Mi/h . Overall great Car . Greetings from Spain
@Kaiyening
@Kaiyening 5 ай бұрын
I like it how this is a real-world test which has regen, charging, same weather conditions etc.
@JonathanPalfrey
@JonathanPalfrey 6 ай бұрын
After owning a 2020 long range I think I’d always go standard range in the future despite regularly doing 400 mile round trips. Unless you want the dual motor, £10k is a lot just to save a few supercharges at stops I would do anyway
@jonathansmith5850
@jonathansmith5850 6 ай бұрын
The standard range has come so far. Early ones did 253 claimed I think from memory? This one 286 real world driving! Great car for 40k
@RSEV
@RSEV 6 ай бұрын
Original one was 160 miles winter and 220 at best really unless trying, still great cars because the Tesla network is so easy
@MCSMIK
@MCSMIK 6 ай бұрын
the original SR+ showed 240 miles EPA in the car when I bought it. 254 was the WLTP figure. 220 was doable at 65 in summer with climate on auto. 160 winter as RSEV says here would be also at 65 in winter, as heating is mighty inefficient in them pre-heat pump cars in comparison
@wakeywarrior
@wakeywarrior 6 ай бұрын
The late 2021/ early 2022 was when it made the leap. The LFP and bigger battery, heat pump etc. I have a 2022 LFP and in decent weather can squeeze over 280 miles on motorway trips at around 70mph.
@voldar70
@voldar70 6 ай бұрын
As long as you don’t need AWD the SR is great. In cold temperatures (-10C and less) the LR is the one to get.
@user-we8mu7lf6x
@user-we8mu7lf6x 6 ай бұрын
If you never plan to leave "town" and road trip, standard 100%. But if you think you will take road trips and plan to keep the car for 3-5 years or more I'd say LR all the way. It all adds up over time in my opinion. Resale is better as well
@gileshalliwell3591
@gileshalliwell3591 6 ай бұрын
I have an SR and I don’t think I could justify the long range and I’ve done 68,000 miles in 20 months so I’ve tested it thoroughly!
@parsifal102
@parsifal102 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for excellent review. I had a 2021 M3 LR for 3 years, very satisfied but sold prior to warranty expiration, and will now consider a rear-wheel drive version purchase in May (do not need car in Winter). Hopefully the speakers can be upgraded for an extra cost, as was possible a couple of years ago. And thanks for the audio-comparison, valuable! Happy to hear (...) that the SR comes out well and better than the previous version.
@antoinepageau8336
@antoinepageau8336 6 ай бұрын
If you daily charge the LR to 80% and the Std range to 100%, there's no difference in range. And the LFP battery IMO is better for longevity. I'm at 95,000 km on our 2022 Std range model 3 with only 7 km range loss.
@Mamba310
@Mamba310 6 ай бұрын
If it were better for longevity, why would Tesla give you 120k warranty on LR and 100k on SR?
@TheVorst
@TheVorst 5 ай бұрын
@antoinepageau8336 What is your charge habit then? I have found a discussion on KZbin were the range loss is like 5 to 7% with LFP at 50,000 to 100,000 km. I had a Model 3 LR till last week and at 80,000km with a loss with 3.5%. I charge to 80% and don't go down mostly below 10%. On long trips I go to 100% (top it off from 80% to 100% just before I leave). And leave it between 40 to 65%, when I don't drive it for a few days. Everybody says that LFP can charge without loose to 100%. But if you leave that LFP battery at 100% more than 1 days, that can't be good for the battery. Or leave it at 10% for a long time.
@thevideoark
@thevideoark 6 ай бұрын
Very informative and helpful. Thanks gents.
@yevheniisoboliev6092
@yevheniisoboliev6092 2 ай бұрын
Awesome diff presentations, thanks!
@wen87n
@wen87n 20 күн бұрын
It is recommended to charge the LR to 80% for daily usage, which gives you the same daily range as the RWD. In summary, choosing the LR means paying more for a better sound system, all-wheel drive, and faster acceleration. Whether it's worth $10,000 more depends on your financial situation.
@iambenmitchell
@iambenmitchell 6 ай бұрын
With how many times I’ve been to Tesla Ferndown in the last few weeks, I’m surprised we haven’t ran into each other. I drove that exact model 3 you were in shortly before you, so sorry if the seat was set really high 😂😂
@peterpage7322
@peterpage7322 6 ай бұрын
The standard range is clearly the sensible option but if you need speed and your licence is not important then the long range is best although the extra range is tempting. I got the rwd model y after owning the Audi RS gt and before that the model 3 long range and I find the rwd model y brilliant!
@davedeboy5726
@davedeboy5726 6 ай бұрын
you forget with the larger battery pack you charge is faster to get more miles as it trickle charge affect. I can get 220m in about 8 min where the standard will only get about 130 in the same amount of time. Most people forget about this.
@dannywooly1
@dannywooly1 16 күн бұрын
Great comparison but that extra range, AWD and sound system sells it for me 😊
@SS-yw7vo
@SS-yw7vo Ай бұрын
Appreciate the metric conversions
@Newman79-zg6yw
@Newman79-zg6yw 6 ай бұрын
Great video again Richard! Btw, isn’t the charging speeds also different between the two cars?
@techwhizard
@techwhizard 6 ай бұрын
Test drove the new highland couple of weeks ago and was disappointed with ride quality, handling and constant nagging of autopilot that did phantom braking as well along the route which was scary. Ended up ordering Kia EV6. The ride and handling was superb and V2L is a huge bonus feature for our camping trips.
@Aztasu
@Aztasu 6 ай бұрын
Good choice. Tesla Model 3 is an economy car but for a premium price - a huge waste of money.
@TheVorst
@TheVorst 5 ай бұрын
Did you drive it? @@Aztasu
@astaps8720
@astaps8720 6 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks Richard. SR is a great car. Looking at the efficiency of the LR in the video, a quick note to share what I got out of my 2020 LR (Gen 1, no heat pump) driving one week the exact same distance and route, at about 7C outside temp, at max legal speed , climate at 20C, distance of 79 miles (M3 - M27 - A31), I returned 236W/mile. Did the same route with heating off and returned 229W/mile so not a big difference with/without heating on. You can see the difference between Gen 1 and Highland: 211W vs 236W. Still, the SR beats everything.
@badabing8884
@badabing8884 12 күн бұрын
I think Pro rotaring the battery % doesn’t give accurate results of real world range. So the car’s range should be greater at 50-100% than say when it’s 0-30%. It’s not an even spread. But happy to hear other views. I am basing this on my e-bike li-ion battery. I get a hell of lot more range at 50-100% than I do once the battery gets below 30%. Also it depends on - terrain I cycle on, how much weight the bike is carrying, wind resistance. How hard I ride it. All these are relevant to a Tesla’s real world range.
@SS-yw7vo
@SS-yw7vo 3 ай бұрын
Thanks ks for the metric conversions
@russtrombone
@russtrombone 6 ай бұрын
Charging the standard range to 100% means 286 miles. Charging the long range to 80% on a daily basis means 281 miles range. Therefore your actual daily range is practically the same.. only on a journey would the long range have an advantage, except for power of course...
@RSEV
@RSEV 6 ай бұрын
Yes this is basically it. But if you had an EV with an optional 20% boost in range sometimes, it’s worth it to some people (like me, coving 1,000 miles a week… but I’m a bit exceptional)
@chargeheadsuk
@chargeheadsuk 6 ай бұрын
Yay, I love your range tests. Thanks for showing the differences. I wonder how long it'll be till they upgrade the LR battery 🤔
@ricarmig
@ricarmig 6 ай бұрын
You mean to LFP? Probably not for a few years. You understand that the energy density on the LFP is quite lower than with the NCx tech, so for the size, it is still not doable. The future is to use 55 and maybe 70 kWh with LFP but also to improve efficiency (lower computer consumption, better engines, etc), that way NCx could end. But I imagine it will take >5 years to get there.
@lkj17
@lkj17 4 ай бұрын
@@ricarmigM3P is a variant of LFP is coming that based on LFP with added element from NCA. I think already used on Performance battery
@paguk2000
@paguk2000 6 ай бұрын
Great vid as always the standard range is. all the car you need, The audio review was very interesting as well
@tesla-spectre
@tesla-spectre 6 ай бұрын
Great test. Interesting that there seems to be really no relevant effciency difference between my Model 3 LR from late 2021 and the Highland regarding range. I had real world range of 569 km when new. Now 5% degradation after 60,000km.
@sameterpik5454
@sameterpik5454 6 ай бұрын
Does the driving experience, specifically regarding regenerative braking, differ noticeably between the Long Range and Standard Range models?
@RSEV
@RSEV 6 ай бұрын
It’s not as strong in the red, obviously. Mentioned that in video. But still very similar experience
@sameterpik5454
@sameterpik5454 6 ай бұрын
Thanks Rich@@RSEV
@markymarkreviews
@markymarkreviews 6 ай бұрын
Would still like you to a full motorway efficiency test. I always say take 50 miles off any EV 's quoted "WLTP" for a real world range estimate and that is what you have shown. But this was also done in 9 degC ambient temps so summer driving it will get very close to or even over 300 miles I suspect.
@RSEV
@RSEV 6 ай бұрын
Yes I’m looking forward to more tests..
@user-np1sy9jg9l
@user-np1sy9jg9l 6 ай бұрын
Hi Richard, great channel with really informative videos. I have a 2023 Model 3 Long Range RWD which I think would make for some interesting comparisons. Range in the summer was always 350 miles plus.
@PaulsViewsReviews
@PaulsViewsReviews 6 ай бұрын
Good to see, especially as I’m about to go from a 2020 LR to a 2024 SR (in that stunning Ultra Red with the white interior). I don’t feel quite so miffed about the company car downgrade.
@RSEV
@RSEV 6 ай бұрын
It’s all good, you’ll love it
@alexwinslow5
@alexwinslow5 6 ай бұрын
Day to day local commuting smaller battery more than adequate. If you do any long range travels at all, get the bigger battery. I bought 60kwh S in 2014, totally fine for city (Dallas). Huge pain for driving to Austin or Houston. Recently upgraded to 90kwh battery.
@OneThousand98
@OneThousand98 5 ай бұрын
For long trips the SR is weirdly the better choice. It has a smaller battery so you need to stop to charge more often, but the charging takes less time as there is less battery to fill, and you can supercharge to 100% unlike the LR that only lets you supercharge to 80-90%. Over a long enough distance, both cars arrive at the same time.
@TheVorst
@TheVorst 5 ай бұрын
@OneThousand98 .The SR Highland Model 3 charges to a max of 170KW. The long range to 250Kw (NMC) on a V3 charger. With the new V4 charger probably around 300KW. That is almost double the speed. Since the 60KWh LFP battery it is smaller, it will slowdown charging quicker also. But most chargers in Europe are V2 anyway. So the difference in the short term is minimal. I bought a Model 3 SR highland myself, and I'm prepared for that.
@mathiasjensen4434
@mathiasjensen4434 6 ай бұрын
Is the SR not on LFP and the LR on NMC. So the SR "should" have a longer lifespan on the battery than the LR (if the charged the same)
@Paul-Thomas-LifeCoach
@Paul-Thomas-LifeCoach 6 ай бұрын
Great video Richard and Gintz as always. One question that wasn't answered in this and similar videos, whats the expected resale value at the end of a lease. Presumably the SR takes a bigger hit due to the smaller batter and any degradation would have a larger impact on a smaller battery! Seeing as you are in the used EV market, you are just the man to answer this question. I hope you do soon :) Thanks :)
@powersurge6878
@powersurge6878 6 ай бұрын
That's a very hard question to answer because a lot can happen in a few years that will affect the resale prices. We can predict and speculate but the simple answer is that nobody knows.
@robinisathakur
@robinisathakur 6 ай бұрын
Pricing second hand cars with the battery degradation on EVs is going to be hard for a while. What are the prices like for an iPhone 11 compared to an iPhone 15? I suspect that resale values will change to become much more like phones due to the cost of replacing the battery unless Tesla come up with a standard much cheaper way of replacing it with a reconditioned battery
@RSEV
@RSEV 6 ай бұрын
I do quite a lot of videos about used EV market and demand v supply to but comment on what a brand new model will be worth in 3 years is nonsensical in this context
@robinisathakur
@robinisathakur 6 ай бұрын
@@RSEV it largely also depends on what demand and people’s attitudes are to EVs in 5 years time once the rebates start to truly taper off. Currently in the US we get a rebate when buying a new or second hand one, but this will not always be the case.
@Paul-Thomas-LifeCoach
@Paul-Thomas-LifeCoach 6 ай бұрын
Hey Richard, I think you missed the point I was making. I was referring to the current situation where there are SR and LR's out there. If you have two that have exactly the same age and mileage, are they the some price 2nd hand or is there an allowance added for the larger battery capacity? Conversely, is the SR cheaper than and identical LR due to a smaller battery and therefore potential larger gross loss in range with degradation. I'm not ask you to speculate on the used values 3 years into the future. I'm asking what is you experience with the factors I've listed above. Would be nice to know, if you had that information. :) Keep up the great work.
@johnl.7582
@johnl.7582 6 ай бұрын
Nice comparison. The one thing you missed out is that the LR should should only be routinely charged to 80% (100% for the SR) due to different battery chemistry, and the SR in this test had....81% of the range. So really there's nothing in it for daily driving. I have a 2020 LR and need to replace the second car, think I'll get the SR and save myself 10k.
@antwnpowell
@antwnpowell 6 ай бұрын
Best combo is long range single rear motor, which I was lucky enough to get.
@danpadure
@danpadure 6 ай бұрын
LR also regens with the rear motor. Only when it's slippery it uses the front motor
@onurdak
@onurdak 6 ай бұрын
Thanks man, but standard range LFP can make it a little more advantageous due to the battery. This increases its value in terms of benefit / performance.
@DavidChow
@DavidChow 6 ай бұрын
I wish they would do LR RWD like they did for fleet and run out models before Highland was released.
@Cewpey
@Cewpey 6 ай бұрын
Great episode again highland Chief reviewer So far in a UK winter I’m getting consistent 212wh/m from the SR on 18 inch wheels imo that’s pretty good at the price point
@metti2670
@metti2670 6 ай бұрын
I bought the LR three month ago because of (a) the AWD and (b) -to be honest- because of the 498 horsepower, which is faaaaaar more than the SR has. And YES, it makes a lot of fun to do the 0-100kmh in a little bit more than 4s (I am always under the promised 4,4s...). I do not care about the range, my battery level is set to 80percent every morning when I drive to work ;-)
@simon-c2y
@simon-c2y 6 ай бұрын
Is the LR going to survive? Especially if a performance variant comes out.
@antoniom724
@antoniom724 6 ай бұрын
Would love to see them both zero to 60 zoom 🏎️ curious the difference
@Mamba310
@Mamba310 6 ай бұрын
1.6 seconds difference. I test drove both and it’s a huge difference
@PippoFG75
@PippoFG75 6 ай бұрын
Great video! With this car we have to consider the range of the driver because not everyone can drive 460 km without stops 😅
@gokkiyoutube
@gokkiyoutube 6 ай бұрын
Larger battery also holds out better over the years. Owning the car for 10-15 years means you'll keep a longer range as the battery degrades.
@haukionkannel
@haukionkannel 6 ай бұрын
If it would have Same battery type… but these don`t have, so it is really hard to know which one will degrade faster.
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