VW ID4 v Tesla Model S 3 X v Audi E-Tron v Hyundai Kona v Kia E-Niro Range efficiency and charging

[@RSEV]

Recharged to get home; 1st. 7 minutes - Tesla Model 3 LR 2nd. 16 minutes - Audi e-tron 55 3rd. 16 minutes - Kyundai Kona 4th. 19 minutes - Kia e-Nero 5th. 19 minutes - VW ID4 6th. 44 minutes - X75D 7th. 57 minutes - 2014 Tesla S85 Recharged to replenish ALL used. 1st. 27 minutes - Audi Etron 55 2nd. 35 minutes - Tesla Model 3 LR 3rd. c. 48 minutes - VW ID4 4th. 60 minutes - Hyundai Kona The rest didn’t quite replenish. Too slow/had to leave etc. Kia e-Nero stopped after 60 minutes at 92% Model X stopped after 54 minutes at 91% S85 stopped after 57 minute at 84% Most expensive car to refill: etron £14.98 to charge to 100% (I spent more in the shop 😂💁‍♂️)

[@alanrickett2537]

The Tesla can draw more power at a superchargers than at these pumps vou did mention it but it is important to note

[@Robert-cu9bm]

@@alanrickett2537 That's only if they're working.

[@spikebmth]

Cost to recharge, to cover energy Christchurch to Gridserve 159miles. Outbound trip typically done at home on off peak power, so around 25% of the following costs. Gridserve currently charge 24p/Kwh Kona - 33.28kWh used = £7.99 (64kWh useable battery) M3 - 34.79kWh used = £8.34 (71kWh useable battery estimated) Niro - 35.20kWh used = £8.44 (64kWh useable battery) ID.4 - 44.66kWh used = £10.71 (77kWh useable battery) MS - 47.90kWh used = £11.49 (76kWh useable battery estimated) MX - 52.548kWh used = £12.61 (71kWh useable battery estimated) eTron - 56.95kWh used = £13.67 (85kWh useable battery) Tesla Model 3 LR: 4.76 miles / kWh. 324 miles theoretical range. Hyundai Kona: 4.7 miles / kWh. 306 miles theoretical range Kia Niro: 4.3 miles / kWh. 289 miles theoretical range Volkswagen ID4: 3.6 miles / kWh. 274 miles theoretical range Audi eTron: 2.9 miles / kWh. 237 miles theoretical range. Tesla model X 75: 3.17 miles / kWh. 215 miles theoretical range Tesla Model S85: 3.46 miles / kWh. 215 miles theoretical range .

[@Robert-cu9bm]

@£15 it's not much cheaper than running a Q7 diesel. Take a long time to recoup the premium paid for the EV.

[@spikebmth]

@@Robert-cu9bm true, but at home using off peak tariffs, it'd be a lot less, typically 5p/kw, so only 20% of the above prices, for the outbound trip.

[@supaahflyy]

Just so you know, I think the ionity chargers have two formats for different battery types. If your battery is on a 400V architecture, the maximum it can deliver is 150kw. It's limited to like 350amps as far as I remember. Therefore ANY car (every Tesla uses 400v batteries) with a 400v architecture, the maximum speed an ionity charger can give is 150kw ie: 400v X 350 amps= 140kw. Why? This is because the amperage is limited to ~350amps. The cables can't take anymore. The reason Tesla V3 superchargers can take more amps is because those are specially designed cables with liquid cooling so that the cables don't overheat and melt. If you want Tesla's 250kw V3 chargers, they are the fastest way to charge a Tesla because they can deliver more amps. 400v X 600 amps = 240kw The only time those ionity chargers can deliver 350kw is when the car has a 800v architecture. Think Porsche Taycan. Because 800v X 400amps = 320kw. HOWEVER, here's the caveat, Porsche suddenly dropped the 350kw from their marketing when they realised they couldn't provide it. It was maxed out at 270kw which is funnily enough 800v X 350 amps= 280kw. Note: the amperage again capping out 350amps because the cables can't take more irrespective of 400v or 800v architecture Note 2: volts X amps = power. That formula explains It all.

[@laxlife5050]

Yep, with superchargers even the older x and s would be charging at over 100. This test is stupid and I guess it was to promote the etron. Model 3 would probably charge at 250 easily with v3.

[@ReelyRacing]

CCS 2 Standart allows up to 500 A charging so ~200 kW on a 400 V System

[@odisy64]

Tesla model 3 is 350V and charges at 250kwh, model S is 400V and charges at 190kwh. The cooling method is more important than voltage

[@tzarcoal1018]

@@odisy64 kwh...you can kick out the h, does not belong there. and the original comment is correct, the limit with most chargers is amperage and he was talking about ionity chargers, you will only get around 140kw with teslas at most ionity chargers. The higher figures are only achieved on Tesla Superchargers V3. Not a matter of cooling.

[@odisy64]

@@tzarcoal1018 without proper cooling you aren't allowed to charge at high rates. Charging speeds are heavily dependent on factors such as cooling and battery type. How do you think the model 3 was able to achieve faster charging times than the model S and X despite those cars having larger more expensive batteries.

[@EvEvangelist]

RICHARD, that was the best pragmatic, fact based overview. Excellent Job. It should become legendary in the assessment of current EV options. Very well done. I watched on tv, but came online to comment. Thank You. Your business deserves to continue to prosper. The right pitch at the right time in an evolving market of confusion.

[@spikebmth]

Yes, I agree. Its pitched at the correct level for most people, and his subject matter and content is different to most channels.

[@RSEV]

Thank you! We learn each time. Will continue to do more and improve!

[@VoxelLoop]

@@RSEV It's really great to see a truthful apple-to-apples test. A range test taken on the same day with all the vehicles together, and no crazy stuff like climate control off, as after all the automatic climate control is a big part of a vehicle's efficiency! Great job.

[@jonathansmith5850]

@@RSEV have you tried a similar thing in an SR+ model 3? How much different are they efficiency wise to the LR?

[@RSEV]

@@jonathansmith5850 sr+ more efficient. Have managed 220 miles in one. Could go further with more effort.

[@dpie4859]

Great result for almost all cars. I am super happy with my Tesla Model 3 LR from 2021. Best car I ever had and I can really recommend it.

[@MrGamingCookie]

Glad to hear it, I'm buying one within the next 6 months. You got the Performance Upgrade?

[@dpie4859]

@@MrGamingCookie no. Maybe, but I think its plenty fast already.

[@oceanfroggie]

Good to hear. How do you find getting in and out of a low saloon seating position? (I have a bad back).

[@Scruffy818]

I got the standard and regret not getting the long range !! Tempted to upgrade

[@RufftaMan]

@@oceanfroggie I have the M3 Performance and I'm pretty tall, so I have my seat very low. I do use the easy-entry profile though, which lifts my seat up and forward as soon as I put the car in park. Don't know if that'll help with your back, but it does make getting in and out a bit easier. Go for a test-drive and check it out if you can. It's free.

[@EV-olution]

Nice video comparison and great to see them all compared so directly. One thing to note, the e-Niro is not just different in aerodynamics than the Kona Electric, the e-Niro is also a bigger car with a longer wheelbase, which has an impact on range.

[@sktaylor99]

This has to be the most practical and informational video I have seen about using an EV in the real world. Brilliant stuff. I can now see a possible place for an ID4 in my life based on price vs living with one.

[@scottwills4698]

Great test! Thanks to all of you for your efforts spending a day helping us make sense of EV charging. 👍🏻👌🏻👏🏻

[@thevideoark]

Thank you all. That was the best most helpful review/test I’ve ever seen. Your honesty,knowledge and enthusiasm shine through. Very informative and helpful.

[@LunnarisLP]

Edmunds could learn quiet a lot from that test setup instead of comparing cars with 20° difference in temperature :D

[@Ashes3123]

Eh? Confused. How different are these results from Edmunds?

[@LunnarisLP]

@@Ashes3123 The results really aren't what matters or what I'm talking about, but (thought that was obvious) the test setup which is what allows conclusions to be made for the customer.

[@stevenhatcher6760]

A++! You and your team at RSymons always produce AMAZING video content! I look forward to watching new uploads. Thank you for your passion, enthusiasm, and attention to detail you give to the EV community! 👍🌟

[@superbud333]

Edmunds should take note on how to actually compare EVs. Same route, same speed, same day.

[@dominicmcnamara]

Great test, great test, great test.... As.....you constantly were humble enough to constantly relate battery charging rate to temperature, onboard software, preheat AND COST of amount of total charge. All great cars, but showed that if you were time poor, say a 10-15 mins charge, and wanted cost efficiency, the Model 3 LR is clearly the best and next release getting better again and cost of ownership as good or better than anything competitive. And second hand EV are going to be great value for money over the next ten years. VERY USEFUL.....top test and report.

[@haraldschon2485]

I am looking forward to a comparison with the KIA EV6 in autumn 2021

[@The-Gerrards-UK]

That really was a great real world example, thanks Richard, I've seen a number of your videos now and love your style and down to earth'ness sir! It validates my choice even more now, my lovely Red LR Model 3 arrives in November (hopefully!) and given the results shown in this video I've made the right choice! It would have got home first, and cost the least to recharge, just what I wanted 😃

[@vanko0309]

Astonishing video, only 1 thing I wished you thought of is to include the numbers on the video while explaining, it would be much easier to pause and compare instead of replay multiple times the sections of the video. I am talking about the consumption before the charging process.

[@spikebmth]

Was one of Richard's first comparison videos, delivery of data has been improved on his later videos.

[@robertvanzant2653]

I’ve started hitting the like symbol before I watch your videos ! Excellent work brother .

[@thevideoark]

I can’t believe I first saw your video 3 years ago. The cars and figures are still relevant. 😊

[@FFVoyager]

Given some people are asking nearly as much for an old Model S as you would pay for a new Kona I don't see the old Tesla as great value as a used EV. Shame you didn't have a Model 3 SR+ on the trip, it's the more commonly available small Tesla and it would have been interesting to see where it fitted in the group.

[@RedBatteryHead]

That's the right test. Car and charge combination to set the travel time in perspective.

[@sevensixtysteve8662]

Really great work guys and thank you for putting this together. My takeaways are I am super impressed by the efficiency of the Hyundai as it actually matched the Model 3 - an excellent EV for the money it seems. Once again I'm a bit underwhelmed by the ID4 - its a ground up newly designed EV and its efficiency is only slightly better than a 7 year old Model S. I would have expected clear water between it and the old Tesla. Maybe its something VW can tweak with software revisions but its a surprise to me that its not better.

[@donaldduck5731]

To me the id4 looks like a really good all round family car. Decent range, practical, lots of space, reasonably affordable and VW build quality. Think VW will have trouble making enough of them to keep up with orders.

[@JoshTheFrosch07]

Nope they made too many and aren’t selling. Lol 😂

[@davidsworld5837]

i more think that the vw cars have a bit of a worry with people still unsure since there was a lot of software problems this has people on edge. and that many people still suffer from work problem and with covid issue returning in eu may have put people off buying

[@kevinliley1102]

A very informative video for anyone considering an EV and, as pointed out, the data is as close to real world as you can get. Keep the great video content coming.

[@RSEV]

Thank you. ☺️

[@edwyncorteen1527]

I think the big takeaway from this is that all the cars could recharge enough to get home in a maximum of 20 minutes, barely long enough to have a proper break, which I am sure you all needed when you first arrived! This just shows that once these chargers get everywhere ( a couple of years in every motorway service station?) there will be no need for ICE cars for long journeys.

[@ouch1011]

Except that the two old Teslas required almost an hour to recharge enough to get home... (44 min for the X and 57 min for the S)

[@bubba842]

@@ouch1011 They are older cars with older technology in them. The battery degredation and the lower capacity for charging has a massive effect. Plus alot of people change their cars every 5 years, so alot people won't see them problems.

[@spacewiz163]

This is what ive been looking for in testing. Thank you.

[@f1brianm]

Excellent video! You are really producing some very interesting and professional content now. Well done!

[@chargeheadsuk]

Best electric review I've seen so far. Great work! 👍⚡⚡⚡💪

[@daryl_sgn5322]

I think this might be the best FULL EV car channel

[@ojoimages]

Really top video guys!👍. A great test. Nice to see the kona is still up there.

[@mikewashington5628]

This test makes so much sense. A very well designed comparison of seven vehicles. The viewer can be the judge based on which vehicle attributes are most important for their needs. I was impressed with the fast charging which offset running efficiency in several cases. My main takeaway was this video demonstrates that we have a large number of capable electric vehicles on the market today. A secondary takeaway was that it appears the operating support behind the UK charging system is more developed than the non Tesla systems in the US.

[@MrSnicol]

Model 3 Long Range is one impressive vehicle. Amazing how far they are ahead of the pack. Can’t wait for the Model 2!!

[@spikebmth]

It wasn't "that" far ahead of a car that is £10k+ cheaper! ;)

[@scottwills4698]

The 5 year old designed Hyundai and Kia were pretty close and they can be £15k less depending on Spec, I’m pretty sure the Ioniq 5 and EV6 will dominate these tests in a few months when they are out.

[@DarcersTech]

@@spikebmth £10k cheaper but much less power and no AWD, so not quite comparable. It’s safe to say though that all of these cars are impressive in their own way.

[@FinchBug]

It’s not ahead. It is just more aerodynamic. The trade-off being less usable space.

[@jonpetter8921]

ID 4 is the better package: Price, build quality, practicality, Comfort.

[@nickieredshaw7835]

Thanks for another great video great test ! Well done 👍

[@stennordenmalm1735]

Richard thanks for uploading, maybee the most interesting EV test I have seen. New sub here! Please continue with tests like this. Would be amazing to see Ioniq 5 and Kia EV 6, I think the Hyundai brand is no 1 EV car maker now

[@qaiserrana7494]

You Are poor man. Cannt u see Porsche og Tesla?

[@davidmccarthy6061]

So good, the top 5 are all about the same since after several hours of driving everyone needs a fifteen minute break anyway. And even in our gas car we always time leaving on long trips to align with our first meal so in an EV that covers the charging time.

[@omarzaki2556]

Here from carwow, love this channel!

[@RSEV]

Cool thanks and welcome. We do what we can around or during our daily work so far from professional but we try to have fun and inform

[@OlavAlexanderMjelde]

It really shows how much of a bargain the Model 3 actually is, you get dual motors, great accelleration, you get long range and quick charging. One thing to remember is that the Model 3 both charges quickly, as well as it goes far. And it does so with a smaller battery than most of its competitors in the same range bracket and that also means its cheaper to charge. On top of that, you get the supercharger network, where it charges even quicker than in this test. And also with the supercharger network, you can just drive entire europe without knowing the languages and different charging networks everywhere, so I drove from Norway to Denmark and Germany, no issues whatsover, you just plug the car in a supercharger and its ready :-) (the trip was before Korona should be noted!).

[@RobertDodge]

Would you recommend buying a used Model 3 long range as we cannot afford a new one so it would be about 2020 Model Year - We had preordered a brand new Renault Captur Etech Engineered at 29,500 GBP but its been delayed twice now - my only concern is extended warranty and repairs as the Renault (Due to us ordering it late December has a 5 year / 100k warranty) and a Tesla Model 3 would already be at 30 - 40k miles for a similar price.

[@OlavAlexanderMjelde]

@@RobertDodge did you check if Tesla stocks inventory vehicles? Then you might have extended warranty too. If you get a heatpump Model 3 it will go further per charge, but even the older ones go quite far on a charge.

[@omkarsawant6854]

Thanks for lending carwow your Tesla ❤️

[@AaronCocker]

Very interesting, I wonder if the Audi might suffer from accelerated degradation charging so much faster. With the usual caveats of rapid charging being only occasional and the larger buffer it has.

[@richardchester3087]

Really interesting video. Have yet to make the switch to EV's but a comparison like this with real world conditions certainly helps. Also encouraging to see the charging infrastructure improving, here's hoping companies like Gridserve are able to roll these out nationally which'd certainly make the switch to EV more appealing for me personally. New subscriber based on this video alone. Keep up the great work!

[@rodden1953]

Make the change you wont regret it.

[@richardchester3087]

@@rodden1953 It'll take a lot to get me out of my B9 S4, but excited to see the offerings to coax me and others in the months and years to come. Approached Audi a few months ago regarding a used, competitively priced e-tron 55 but sadly couldn't make the numbers work. Still looking and I'm sure there'll be something one day.

[@galyusuk]

Nice video without an overkill of information, brilliant promotion for EV's!!

[@frank118]

Can’t wait for Model Y in 🇬🇧

[@teslaowner9020]

I ❤️ my 🇺🇸 Model Y

[@ElmaOrkestra]

Hey, have you guys figured out how to alcantara the MIC door wood yet?

[@RSEV]

Yep! Contact us via website for more info. Also there’s a video on our Facebook page rsymonsltd

[@omelvold]

What an excellent way to visualize the differences between the cars in regards to the consumption, range and charging! Very well presented too. 👌 (For anyone in the market for the e-tron quattro, please note that it is possible to lower the consumption and make it even more comfortable by choosing the 20, or even 19-inch wheels, which are both 255 wide, instead if these 21-inch 265 wide, non staggered.. 😬)

[@TheAdventureAuto]

A lot of work put in for all of this. Great job eliminating all the variables from other tests I've seen. This was very helpful. The Model 3 is so efficient it's crazy.

[@rodracir]

Did you noticed that te Kona as te exact same efficiency (mi/kwh) as the Model 3? I think that makes it an even more impressive car given the price difference between them.

[@mdefou]

RSymons: Start your engines! Engines:

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Tumbleweed...

[@IDamian1]

Terrific comparison, well done!

[@michaelgoode9555]

I have been watching the ev market for a couple of years now. Looks like I will be pressing the button on a Kona Premium with the 64kwh battery. This suits our needs really well. It might not look the greatest but when you are inside you don't have to look at it! 🤣

[@davidtolson7680]

Kona most efficient (equal to M3LR) and 2nd best range

[@Psi-Storm]

It's also the smallest of them. The eNiro is 20cm longer, the ID4 40cm and probably has 50cm more cabin space than the Kona due to the shorter engine compartment.

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

The Model S was seven years old. How old was the Model X? A fair test would have included all cars of the same age.

[@alexnutcasio936]

Never let truth get in the way of a good story.

[@tomattime]

A superb episode. So much detail that is relevant and presented with enthusiasm. 👍

Did you charge the Teslas at ionity ? Just to put into perspective another run with just one more recent Model S/X with SC (v3 preferred) would be nice to understand whether that makes a difference.

[@just-a-yt-guy]

All very interesting, however I suspect that most users would use home charging overnight to top up the battery rather than a public charger when time and expense is not an issue. Use the public chargers to go to 60-80% or enough to get to a final destination charger.

[@supaahflyy]

What are the wheels on your Tesla's? They look great

[@RSEV]

22’s on the x and 21” on the S. both Tesla wheels. Both satin black.

[@chrischild3667]

Excellent presentation. Well done to all involved. A good level of detail without being too geeky about it 👍

[@RSEV]

Thanks ☺️. Still things we can do better but learning and improving and we’ll continue to do more if that’s what people wants

[@chrischild3667]

@@RSEV Absolutely. You have the EV experience to cover a lot of the finer details that journalists either don't know about or don't want to focus on, so your videos tend to be well balanced. Although I can tell you love the etron! 😉 I love mine too!

[@thomasjacques5286]

Road tripping in the US we operate our Model Y between 15% to maybe 60% Max. We are blessed with SC’er spaced about 75 miles (average) apart on major highways. With a V3 SC’er we are in and out in 15 minutes. Often our BIO breaks take longer than the charging. Charging past 80% is a waste of time and money.

[@johncanalese588]

Not so much in the e-torn though

[@surajmadhu-techgobbler]

Damn nice test man. I'm so jealous of you Brits. We have just 3 EVs in india. And no charging infra. Don't know when we'll ever get to it though. Watching your video made me happy and hopeful of the future.

[@rubencaixeiro9762]

Isn't India going straight to hydrogen? I remember reading somewhere that India planned to jump to hydrogen and skip electric.

[@surajmadhu-techgobbler]

@@rubencaixeiro9762 what? 🤣 The future isn't hydrogen. It's electric. There's no jumping electric into hydrogen or anything. We skipped the hybrids. Going to go directly to electric. But it's real slow

[@rubencaixeiro9762]

@@surajmadhu-techgobbler I think electric will be part of the solution, but like Musk said, anything that has to be mined will run out eventually. So yes, hydrogen or any other source of energy to power an electric motor without a battery will sonner or later be needed. If not something even more complex, but by your reaction to my comment I can only imagine that I am losing my time here.

[@Xue268]

Thank you for making the video, very helpful info.

[@justinholding02]

In my ID.3 user manual it says to not use fast charge on a daily basis and to also not charge over 80% unless it's really necessary. All of this considerably reduces the battery life on the long term.

[@AE_AUTOWORKS_ZA]

We here from Carwow to say thanks for the cars

[@svenparris8726]

I reckon that's helped me decide to go with the audi etron.

[@RSEV]

Have you seen this video on our channel? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJulmpeqnLeejqc

[@svenparris8726]

@@RSEV its the comfort and refinement that sells it for me. Not interested in camera mirrors though! Good work on the content 👌

[@jonathantaylor1998]

Great video and absolutely love all the stats (though needed my glasses on to read them at the end... lol...!) That prolonged Audi charging rate is off the scale...! Amazing. Let's just hope other EV manufacturers cotton on to the benefits of that.

[@ytdood]

Excellent comparison video, it shows once again how good Tesla is, but that others aren't so far behind. So 350 kW chargers are still at 24p/kWh? Way to go Gridserve then! we need more of these throughout the country.

[@Psi-Storm]

It also shows how terrible the old Teslas are and why they had to fully refresh them.

[@ytdood]

@@Psi-Storm The only reason why we have the 'new' Teslas is because the old ones were popular, bought. Even to this day, they're still pretty efficient and competitive, although not top level anymore.

[@lorrainehinchliffe5371]

The quietest race in history!

[@sargfowler9603]

I'd love to see some graphics integrated with these videos. It would make the already excellent videos a lot easier to understand.

[@RSEV]

We’re working on it. Pre Easter break we literally ran out of time unfortunately but now they’re proving quite popular we’ll start enhancing this aspect...

[@disarchitected]

Yes! Esp. for all the stats quoted.

[@MrEV]

A fantastic test - and wonderful to see my old home town!

[@punarny1]

Adding the cost of the journey would have been nice to see

[@cbcdesign001]

Yeah agreed. Running costs are an important factor in choosing a car, for me at least.

[@Tuck_Frump]

those older model s and model x charge for free at tesla superchargers.

[@peterwilliams2580]

So the current price at Braintree is per Kw=0.24p and as the distance was 159 miles the following would be the cost each way for each car: Etron = £13.15, -The Tesla X75 =£12.12, the Tesla S85 =£11.02, the Kona =£8.11, The Model 3 LR = £8.11, The E-niro = £8.85 and the VW id4 = £10.59......I think!

[@commuterbranchline8132]

A fantastic report. Tesla’s Supercharger network and ability to pre warm or cool the battery pack to optimise charging speed on a longer journey is hugely advantageous and in the wider world very little known. Roll on Richards Model Y long term test!

[@dr_nikolai_kosyrev]

Thanks for the detailed explanation! I-Pace ev400 is missing, unfortunately.

[@flybynorway6356]

3:56 What engines?

[@FishmacFLTRU]

Great video, thank you!!

[@OrganicStuff1]

How does this channel not have like a 100k subs

[@RSEV]

We’ve not been making the videos for long... shall we continue then?

[@OrganicStuff1]

@@RSEV yes awesome channel

[@RSEV]

@@OrganicStuff1 thanks for nice comments ☺️

[@mkosumberksy]

I really like your videos and this one is sooo good. Thank you all guys, take all those cars and compare them side by side shows nicely how are EV getting better and better. Only thing I don't get.....why you charged up untill original percentage state? Every car has different consumption and size battery so one percent means totally different thing in each car. So obviously you have to charge big etron to 95% to cover distance that Model 3 covers on 65%. Only thing that really matters is distance charged per time in my opinion.

[@RomeoJulietCharlie]

After watching this, the e-tron is edging to the top of my likely-to-buy list. Really impressed with the charging speed. I’m mostly doing a short work commute (only 16 miles), but often drive London to Oxford, as well as up to Scotland a couple of times a year. Looks like it’d be very comfortable with a couple of stops. I know how the Teslas look on paper, but I really can’t get along with the bodywork. Wish you’d had a Polestar 2 in the convoy! Anyway, excellent video. Seriously useful.

[@alanngli]

I’ve just test drove an e-tron. While I agree with everything you’ve said, the price of them in Australia is just insane. Even the cheapest e-tron would cost close to double of a M3LR. It’s a nicer car inside and comfort wise, but the interior isn’t any bigger to my surprise and calibration of regen and braking still got some way to go.

[@RSEV]

I need to borrow a polestar 2 for my review on that. It suits some but it’s efficiency and charge speed are both woeful I’m afraid. No where near competitive with Tesla on those fronts....! (I was in the car wow 100-0% test and drove the polestar until it died...)

[@RomeoJulietCharlie]

@@RSEV haven’t yet watched an awful lot of reviews, but it looks like the Polestar 2 does a lot of throttling while it’s charging. I was quietly keeping my fingers crossed for a magical software update allowing it more e-tron like charging. It does look like a nice environment to be in for hours at a time. Then again, so does the Audi. There’s a nagging feeling of inevitability that I’m going to end up with a M3LR, despite it being as aesthetically appealing as a melted frisbee.

[@RomeoJulietCharlie]

@@alanngli I hear ya. Also not cheap here in the UK. One saving grace is that my company is starting up a salary sacrifice scheme, so could lease pre-tax (which in real terms means about 40% off the standard lease price, if you’re on the higher income tax bracket). Haven’t seen any of the numbers or what’s available yet, though, but could be a much cheaper alternative to actually buying the thing.

[@iowgtr]

@@RomeoJulietCharlie I have a friend with a PS2 and it is a lovely car, if you are not doing too many long trips I would take it over the etron. With an M3 it's more of a lottery with build quality, however I have always found Audi's will give you issues throughout their life (not that some Audi owners will admit that). I currently own a 2021 M3LR and I couldn't be happier with it, however I could be swayed by a Polestar in the future, if they start using a dedicated BEV platform.

[@robertgoudie2435]

What was the cost to charge the audi etron please

[@peteleech1]

Richard love watching your tests, real life data well presented. Thanks

[@pwwuk]

Great episode.. would like EQC in the mix . Do worry Audi aggressive charge curve may resukt in degradation?

[@johnsongoh3298]

Excellent comparison on real world driving conditions. Thanks to you on the contribution. At least gives me an idea as we are so used to ignition combustion engines.. thx

[@Brianj162]

Excellent video, really enjoyed the cars and data

[@Ancho1987jaja]

Your videos are great. All of them.

[@jamesheard9566]

Great test and very fair. I really liked the test that charged to enough to get back. The reality is that I and most people would charge back up to 90% and have some lunch or a coffee etc, so the Audi for me would work better as a long range car due its faster charging speed and lack of tapering. Of course the Audi and Porsche for that matter, use the same architecture and have a buffer in the battery to prevent degradation at fast charging speeds. Cannot wait for more Gridserve centres to open up this year.

[@CryptoNut82]

Great video! Will be curious to see over time how well the E-Tron battery hold up charging so fast for so long. Will degradation happen quicker with the battery?

[@josefv-y8m]

Since there is a buffer of 13kwh above usable Netto...perhaps you will see a degradation after 8 years if this buffer was used to hide the degradation.

[@johncanalese588]

The e-tron can do it because the Audi engineers built a better Thermal Management system for the battery bank. Lithium batteries can theoretically take huge charge input but you’ve got to keep them cool (between 25-35deg C), or they will be damaged. Tesla throttles the charge rate because it can’t manage it as well.

[@JohnSnowNW]

Previously owned a Model X, and currently own a Model 3 and Model Y. At SC stations, I've never seen such low kW at those SOCs. Just odd to me that it would be so much less at these stations.

[@scottmcinnes4516]

Very interesting. With all the necessary caveats (eg no one charges a Model 3 up to 90% at a supercharger, etc) 🙂

[@josefv-y8m]

Yes, since the Tesla has a very bad charging curve and drops heavily at 60% and you have to know this...compared to eTron...you do not have too think about since nearly the same from 10 to 80 at 150kw.

[@scottmcinnes4516]

I wouldn’t say “bad” charging curve - still charges very fast. Also (1) there’s got to a reason why Tesla devised the curve that way (probably to preserve the battery for longer? In particular given the wise supercharge network?) and (2) Model 3 still gets you from A to B quicker than the very-very thirsty e-Tron

[@johncanalese588]

The e-tron can do it because the Audi engineers built a better Thermal Management system for the battery bank. Lithium batteries can theoretically take huge charge input but you’ve got to keep them cool (between 25-35deg C), or they will be damaged. Tesla throttles the charge rate because it can’t manage it as well.

[@scottmcinnes4516]

Hugely counter-intuitive claims with Tesla having built EVs for much longer than Audi and therefore much more experience with batteries, more data, a lot of people saying that they are far ahead than the competition in battery management, etc. Any evidence to backup those counter-intuitive claims? Thanks

[@johncanalese588]

@@scottmcinnes4516 Audi have been building automobiles for 10 times longer than Tesla, and at the end of the day that is what your buying isn’t it? I’m comforted that there is an eight year warranty on the battery in the e-tron.

[@lubabalonotshikila5059]

Thanks for lending Mat the cars Richard.

[@TenPester]

But which car can i get golf clubs and a trolley in?

[@philipptielmann]

will be interesting to see what happens when VW increases the max charging speed from 125kW to 170kW later in the year. depending on the tapering of that higher top speed it might be beating the model 3 at least to the 90% mark (in this setup). the rest is just sacrificed for a lot more cargo room and a significantly more comfortable suspension which requires more travel of the springs and dampers which leads to a higher bonnet and then worse aerodynamics ...

[@ewenbruce5851]

These videos just keep getting better 👍

[@RSEV]

Thank you ☺️

[@nickbrennan3925]

Great comparison, really good to see, we will be taking delivery of our Audi e tron in a couple of months, I didn’t realise the Audi charged so well back to full. Good to know on those longer journeys, can’t wait to take that bad boy out n about. Great vids keep em coming.

[@johncanalese588]

Congrats. I’m picking up my e-tron 55 Sportback next week! This video only confirmed that I made the right choice. You can just top up anytime and know you have to wait shortest of any EV. Plus you get the comfort and build quality of a true luxury car.

[@redcrow2006]

Your videos are great. Very interesting to watch.

[@RSEV]

Thank you

[@salvamoyafernandez6145]

good afternoon, do you know what tires the kona was wearing?

[@spikebmth]

Just the factory fit Nexen 215/55 R17

[@salvamoyafernandez6145]

@@spikebmth ok, I was already surprised, the kona has more autonomy than the model 3 if it had the michelin or the Goodyear type A A are 20 km more. but the nexxen are E B they are very bad also this model is from 2019, thank you very much

[@ronald4life1]

The new Q8 Etron with it's longer range and basically same charging speed makes road trips very simple. Where most of them would need 3-4 stops the Etron can do it in 2 stops and you just deep charge it to 80%

[@AndrewSienx]

It looks that eTron is the only brand, which uses so aggressive charging strategy. So, what is the impact on battery degradation, because generally batteries are similar in modern cars (same manufacturers usually, similar technologies)?

[@supaahflyy]

I think they just don't allow the usage of the entire battery. 100% is probably in actuality like 85-90% of the battery. That's why it's giving you the impression that it's charging fast

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Note that Porsche just altered their "recommended" charging strategy, probably for the same reason.

[@johncanalese588]

The e-tron can do it because the Audi engineers built a better Thermal Management system for the battery bank. Lithium batteries can theoretically take huge charge input but you’ve got to keep them cool (between 25-35deg C), or they will be damaged. Tesla throttles the charge rate because it can’t manage it as well. Audi competes in Formula E and so something about electric vehicles in extreme situations. As far as I know Tesla doesn’t even have a test track - other than maybe the streets of Fremont.

[@jonasmansson7481]

I have a tesla model 3 LR, i would never supercharge More than i need and absolute not over 80%. Only charge over 80% at home a night. But it the audi charge like o boss, but its very thirsty 😊

[@billsmith810]

Excellent video and info! Certainly makes good sense to charge up to when the charge slows down then make another stop then doing a full charge depending on your trip length. Definitely makes you look at things differently than a gas car.

[@iixorb]

Another really helpful video, especially as I am about to make the jump from a 2016 BMW 520d to (probably) an ID.4 for BiK reasons. Thanks guys - I'm feeling more confident with switching, thanks to these long-range tests you're doing ;-) !

[@davebryer6133]

I have to say your real-world tests are fantastic. I live in a place where it is likely to be below freezing for 4 to 5 months a year, I love the idea of an electric car but not sure they are quite right for this climate at this time, any thoughts?

[@RSEV]

They’re great for cold conditions, and very popular in Norway for example. About half of all cars there are EV. Less range in cold yes, but they can be pre heated, defrosted, no starting issues etc etc.

[@radbaron]

You might consider watching TeslaBjorn's videos. He's based in Norway, does year-round testing , and has long drive videos along with live streaming. He does ramble a bit , very "stream of consciousness" , but gives real world results. I'm guessing you're from Canada/US like myself?

[@RSEV]

@@radbaron yo wassup! Yes know Bjorn well. I’m UK 🇬🇧

[@chrisness]

Great thorough tests!

[@GlynHudson]

What charging speed does the 2014 Tesla S85 get on a supercharger? How many miles has it done?

[@powersurge6878]

If it’s really low (5%) it can get to 125 KW but it slows down very quickly. When It gets to 50% it’s somewhere around 50 KW. Pretty slow. From start to finish in this video I did 160 miles. From 95% to 21%. I was driving the S85 👍

[@GlynHudson]

@@powersurge6878 thanks, that's useful to know. How many miles has the car done in total since new?

[@GIOGS]

Great video but definitely invest into looking at how you could do on screen graphics and tables when you talk about the ranges, averages etc. Tricky to remember the first car when talking about the last.

[@sybaseguru]

Yesterday charged an SR3+ at 150+kw up to 40%. 170 miles in 25 mins. Not bad for a 40k car.

[@gvaley]

The 10% buffer you decided to add doesn't do the efficient cars any justice. You should have calculated the buffer in miles to be as fair as possible. The model 3 could do like 50% more miles with 10% battery than one of the less efficient cars.