Time Team S02-E05 The Saxon Graves (Winterbourne Gunner, Wiltshire)

[@allisonmarlow184]

Great episode! So neat to see Tony with dark hair here in 1995. And did anyone else notice that Mick was wearing the same striped sweater which he was still wearing in episodes almost 20 years later? LOVE these older episodes!

[@bassdivamtm]

This one made me happy as they really helped the owner. I felt Tony Robinson cared a lot about getting results to help him!

[@sgrannie9938]

There was a follow-up on this episode in one of the specials, but I can’t find it again. All I can recall is that the eventual outcome had its share of ups and downs. Wish I could find that special 🤔

[@angelitabecerra]

​@@sgrannie9938Christmas Special where they follow up on some of their digs

[@EZ-hr3pz]

@@sgrannie9938 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jninm5-EpdRngrs

[@goodyearshrimp]

I just love this show! Obviously not available in the states but im truly addicted. this should almost be mandatory for anyone interested in history. thanks!

[@kevingee4294]

goodyearshrimp this program was shown on Discovery Civilisation as is seen by the logo in the top right corner of the screen! maybe your cable provider was lacking but here in central Texas we've hade it for quite a while....

[@jrmckim]

It was on PBS

[@ChildrensSongStorytimeCorner]

The Time Team loved their Beer as much as their Archaeology !

[@jcortese3300]

OMG STEWART LOOKS 12!!!! I love these old episodes. I'm one of the many Americans who only discovered this series recently thanks to KZbin (and Reijer), and I feel like I've known these people for ages. 🙂

[@danajeannenorris3036]

Stewart was involved a lot in these early episodes!!

[@lisakilmer2667]

This is an odd episode because of the owner's dispute over permits. Obviously the neighbor whose land started the restrictions paid for the necessary excavations (the guy at 8:14 is referred to as the one who did them) but this buyer couldn't afford to do so (was he overextended?). It's a sad story but it's appropriate to stop building on an unknown cemetery. Notice how quickly the official lady agreed to permit building, once the site was investigated. Clearly there needed to be a better mechanism for resolving the problem, and hopefully "the system" was improved after officialdom got embarrassed by this episode.

[@phoule76]

all cemeteries should be dug up

[@sqike001ton]

yea its called the government should be required to come in and do the digging/ removal. (for free) if they don't in a timely manner say months not years. they lose the rights and the owner can destroy the whole thing up with an excavator if he chooses. that is the way to encourage the government to do the digging if they risk losing it all by being slow. if they make the rules saying things need dug they should do the digging.

[@Lyndam98]

I like Robin Bush! So very knowledgeable..loves his subject. Sadly. he died after a long illness in 2010 at the relatively young age of 67. RIP

[@kafelattenf8468]

@the rival sqaud It is if you are 66.

[@conniegarvie]

​@@kafelattenf8468 or if you're 63!

[@WashuHakubi4]

I like how at 31:58 Tony is almost whispering like he's worried about disturbing the skeleton.

[@Bazanadu]

"these stiffs"... steady on Tony.

[@NinaHansen2008]

I especially love the demonstration of techniques of building, forging, road building, and so forth.

[@MeMommyEms]

Been watching since season one and I just to say this has got to be best and interesting episode so far.. I am so hyped to watch more! I love this show!

[@prvacygoune946]

If the government wants the history preserved, the cost should be shared by all since it's all of Britain's heritage. If the guy is lucky enough to own it, he should get something out of it. After seeing this program, there's archeology everywhere. I can see others, in the dead of night, getting rid of the stuff and it pains me to say so. And the Crown should stop ripping people off when they find archeology, artifacts, or treasure and pay them almost nothing for it.

[@Gitarzan66]

+Prvacy Goune I agree. If the historical people cant pay for the dig either then they nave no right to disrupt this poor mans life. What a snob that lady was.

[@dhindaravrel8712]

+Gitar Zan She was right to do what she did. It's not her fault that the government isn't willing to foot the bill for the preservation efforts. The principle is that the cost of the excavation is to be borne by the one who makes it necessary to be done right then, and that's the person building on the ground (and thereby disturbing / destroying the remains). Unfortunately, this has led to lots of archaeological evidence being destroyed. It's the same with the preservation of nature. Nests of protected bird species are removed so there is no longer a legal obstacle to some form of development. Yes, I agree that the government should help out with the cost, if only to prevent things from getting destroyed, but it's also right that private or corporate development can't just do whatever they bloody well please, to the detriment of everyone else.

[@SNP-1999]

I also agree ! To practically confiscate a person's property in the name of national heritage is all very well, but compensation must be offered by the National Trust, otherwise people may well think twice about reporting finds to the authorities, get rid of the evidence and carry on as if nothing had happened. Think of the farmer on whose fields a major archaeological site is found by pure chance, say mosaics are uncovered in a field and Geophysics find a gigantic and unique Late Roman palace ? If the site is scheduled, the farmer may easily be made bankrupt due to the practical impounding of his land in the interest of the nation. Therefore, the nation should pay the farmer the exact equivalent of what that land is valued at and, for example, 10% on top for financial loss, or something in that region. I however fear nothing like that will ever happen, those owners are a small minority and have no lobbyists to support their interests, and the governments are, as always, far too parsimonious to contemplate introducing such compensation schemes. It isn't their land or building, is it ! 😕

[@DCShaneTours]

Make the queen pay for it. Or take the pervert Prince Andrew off the payroll, that should cover it.

[@suwaidajalal]

@Rosida Andriyana IRS is the Internal Revenue Service, I think, that handles the taxation in the USA.

[@AudieHolland]

22:36 nice time marking there. An early 1990s, typical working male, would carry with him: -carkeys (the primitive ones which you have to actually insert into the cardoor to open it; -map -news paper -organizer -CDs ... an early portable telephone! My, how primitive they were living in those days, a long long time ago!

[@christinemaupin9674]

Preserving our heritage is I think the top most important thing to do it's not always easy choosing between what should be and what needs to be done

[@magster6022]

Such a nice difference between season one and two. Less hemming and hawing. Problems are summarized and then right to the decision and digging.

[@richardtorz2164]

That's funny, Tony asking Mick " If we are going to find any of these ' Stiffs', where are we gonna start? " lol

[@Terri5101]

Absolutely love these just wish they had a week or two to do their thing

[@jdemo7167]

Thanks for uploading!

[@mydigitallife8311]

2021 here and I'm watching it.

[@dianadrb]

I must say, I love Robin's bow ties. Who ever chose them did a nice job.

[@claudeusgothicus6453]

DianaRose Goodwin - Whoever chose them? Robin chose them.

[@themysteryofbluebirdboulevard]

There's always been something about people who wear bowties like that that says "hey look at me, I wear unconventional neckwear". Rubs me the wrong way.

[@Ana_crusis]

In my opinion, if there is a law that you can't build on land until the archaeology is done, then the government, who made the law, should pay for it. If they don't want to, then you should be allowed to build. It's entirely unfair otherwise.

[@CologneCarter]

I have a different thought. Either a potential buyer should be made aware that he can't build until the land is cleared and that he is the one to pay for it or the property shouldn't be sold at all. If someone knows right away, that he has to fork over a considerable amount of money for archaeology to be done before building, he thinks twice whether or not to buy.

[@iainhowe4561]

It wouldn't help at all. What would happen if that suggestion were adopted would be that the county council would have to increase taxes across the whole county to create an 'archeology fund'. They would investigate however many sites per year that this fund allowed, and new sites would be added to the backlog - with development put on hold until the council got around to that site. Given the political cost of taxation, especially taxation being done so that property developers can make a profit, the amount of new funding added would be small and, therefore, the amount of time taken to get around to a site would be large. In archeologically rich sites, this is simply a cost of doing business. A smart property developer would add a contingency fund to his project budget to allow for the possibility of running over a Saxon cemetery (a risk assessment could have easily been done by simply checking the records, since graves had already been found in that area!) and dip into that fund if needed. Imagine he had run into a chemical dump that nobody had known about. Is the council expected to pay to clear the site on an emergency basis, so this guy with his underfunded plan can build according to his schedule?

[@lameesahmad9166]

There are two solutions. Firstly: Thoroughly investigate any property you wish to purchase. Make an appointment with the neighbours (so that you are not considered rude) and ask them what they know about the history of the property and if they know of any difficulties you will encounter for the redevelopment of the property. If someone wants to sell a property very quickly investigate why. That way you can work out any extra costs involved and make an informed decision. In this case the fact that the neighbours on both sides had archaeological digs on their properties and significant finds were made is a very shiny red light. Secondly: The safest way is to buy a property with a proper standing building (even if it is small) which is in a good enough condition to live comfortably. Once you are living there and you decide to extend or renovate your dwelling you can save up enough for an archaeological team to investigate the relatively small area needing investigation. Once that is done and you have either the thumbs up for further development or you know your limits, you will not be bankrupted and you will be able to adjust your needs to suit your pocket. This way everybody wins. But I do feel very sorry for this poor bloke; it sounds like (right from the beginning) he did not know what he was getting into. The person who sold him the property probably had the same problem and kept it in the dark. They must have been glad to profit from someone else's loss. Financial difficulties are a key factor in the breakup of marriages. This Guy was cheated not only financially but also emotionally. I wish him the best and I hope he was able to rebuild his life. Phew!!! What a task!!! To rebuild your life literally from under the ground up. Best wishes David. I am amazed by what I have learned from watching Time Team. Not only have I learned about the peoples lives, customs, problems and history in the British Isles for millennia, but I am also learning about their lives and problems today. I do not live in the British isles it is very interesting that so many layers of various cultures have built up on the landscape and in the libraries over time. To live there and try to own your own property and develop the said property seems at once an exciting and yet daunting task. It gives you pause for thought.

[@nemo6686]

@@CologneCarter And so, from the comfort of the internet, you'd happily deny the existing owner the right to achieve the best price he can for the land. Your thought is certainly different.

[@Headwind-1]

@@lameesahmad9166 there anaf been some clever fkrs

[@uw1955]

Again a great sepisode! T'm going through Time Tean here in Germany over KZbin. And as I must say it seems to be much better than the German Terra X which was shown some years ago.

[@Chubachus]

Are there any Terra X episodes on youtube with English subtitles? It looks like a great show.

[@uw1955]

Chubachus No, I only know those in German unfortunately.

[@Chubachus]

I've found a few episodes labelled as Terra X in English, but they look older and are only half the time of the ones that come up first in a search.

[@InnannasRainbow]

Why the hell should he have to pay for it???

[@Gitarzan66]

Because government is as crooked as those medieval plow lines they found.

[@vincerussett7922]

Excuse me, but if I may? This man was an unfortunate caught in a situation that was probably never intended to deal with kind of event. The principle that 'the developer' would pay for archaeological work to be carried out was introduced in 1990, when government guidance said that preservation in situ was paramount, but in the event it could not be, because for other reasons, the site was granted planning permission, then it would be mandated that archaeological work should be carried out and paid for by the developer. In most cases the developer is a large organisation, dealing in hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of pounds, and the cost of archaeological work, compared to the profit they are about to make, is tiny. I suspect he was initially given bad advice by his lawyer, who should have known better. Don't sound off about the British Government, or insult a public servant who was clearly trying her best, without finding out the facts first. If you still want to sound off then, fine. I had for 25 years, the same type of job, and the consideration given to what could be done in the circumstances was always tricky. The final decision would then be made by locally elected councillors, with the rare exception of where a site was nationally protected, when the decision was taken out of their hands. Local planning is always about compromise, and you can't treat that fairly in one short television programme.

[@annayosh]

Because he is the one who wants to do things to get the site disturbed, and thus he is the one that makes the excavation necessary.

[@lisakaz35]

It's funny that you're advocating socialism but many would complain about this, like about the taxes to support something like this.

[@Headwind-1]

@@vincerussett7922 jobs worth?

[@KatzenjammerKid61]

Did I just witness Mick destroying a mid twentieth century hovel?

[@TheGreenAnorak]

"So.....if we're gonna find these stiffs, we better get on." Haha love it.

[@KPPMt1n7]

They said the other homes were built on top of graves. Why was that allowed but this guy couldn't build on his land?

[@Accolaidia777]

Maybe they were “grandfathered” in.....

[@annayosh]

Because those graves were found when the houses were being built. The restriction only kicks in once it is known that the graveyard is there.

[@ThePhoenix074]

Andre Engels...Your explanation doesn't fly unless those graves weren't reported until AFTER the development was completed because the development would've been stopped had they reported those graves as soon as they were found.

[@Lightsaber360]

The other houses were build before the clause was slapped on. He started building later and well... We can see the result.

[@Gumardee_coins_and_banknotes]

So the moral of the story, if you buy land and find something of historical importance, deep rip and plow to make it go away.

[@neatchipops3428]

unless it's gold or silver... the shitty crown/govt doesn't care

[@BlackIjs]

I've seen it happen.

[@shadetreader]

Funny how you lot are the ones screaming about ”preserving history” when decent people are ready to pull down the statues of slave owners.

[@paulneedham9885]

@@shadetreader "decent people" I take you mean "Vandals"?

[@deetsy4jesus]

They went back and filmed a few years later. The update was aired in the episode, "Time Special 01 - (1997). The man lost it all to bankruptcy. When the bank found new owners, the bureaucrats blocked them from building as well. They found more graves. At the time of filming, they were finally approved to build in a few weeks time. I understand the need to learn from history but when that history prevents the living to have a life, that is going too far!! This man even lost his marriage thanks to this travesty! I enjoy learning about history but NOT at the expense of the living!

[@semisophisticate63]

It's unfortunate there was no such thing as "crowd-funding" back then. Poor man. Very unfair.

[@miketaylor5212]

it terrible that living people had to lose all they had because the government requires you to pay for the archeology instead of the government that made the law.

[@AlphaOne2009]

Donna Perez ...At a minimum, the owner in such matters should be compensated. Were you a member of the Time Team?

[@marquelethenstrom1103]

You neglect to give the details of the bsnkruptcy. How do you know that it was due to the archaeology requirements?

[@deetsy4jesus]

No, just became obsessed with the show for a time. Watched them all and read everything I could about it, including getting most of the books published about the series. I understand why the Brits started protecting their historical treasures in the early 20th century but I think they have carried it a bit too far now.

[@RumMonkeyable]

The British so love their history, and unlike many countries, actively seek to protect historical sites. Sadly, the intent and reason for preservation has taken on an over-zealous role that oftentimes impedes forward progress and has created regulatory agencies run by individuals who put preservation before 'reasonableness'. Additionally, the UK, as an island nation, has, since its inception, conserved/preserved/managed its land. This, also, plays a role in the whole scheme of things (expansion). That's why real estate prices are so high, dwellings (for the most part) are small and terraced, and new builds are a rarity.

[@sgrannie9938]

Unfortunately, progress too often isn’t 🙁

[@CologneCarter]

I certainly hope English Heritage changed things by now. It simply can't be called fair if a landowner gets stopped from building on his land or even selling it at a loss, if something worthy of preservation might possibly be found, after the fact of buying the land clear and free. I can appreciate restrictions on land and building that are scheduled by English Heritage, but it can't be that a buyer gets sand bagged without a way out. It's a different story if the potential buyer is aware of what he is getting into and that it might cost him an arm and a leg to follow restrictions.

[@marthareis5873]

And the scenario as it played out is to no one's benefit because this kind of thing will suppress true and accurate reporting of finds.

[@Nico6th]

I can understand both sides. On the one hand, things like that should be preserved and studied. too much is already lost because people just didn't care. On the other hand, of course, it#s not fair at all that the landowner should pay for it! No one can expect him to have the money! But one thing I learned from this show is that they seem to have a Roman villa, a graveyard or a medieval cathedral in every second field and every third backyard. There will never be enough money, time and manpower to excavate all of it.

[@BryonLape]

The heartless bureaucrat aside, he stated he owned the back twice what the land was worth before she slapped him with high costs. Joe Joe isn't telling something.

[@AlexLaw_Qld]

Probably to do with a combination of the economy's ups and downs and the potential cost of dealing with whatever archaeology turns up.

[@Headwind-1]

i do not understand this drivel

[@PerryTribeMetalBaker]

@@Headwind-1 replace 'owned' with 'owed' and 'back' with 'bank' and it begins to make sense ;)

[@kirbybot8370]

I love Tony so much I dread the day he passes

[@christianpatriot7439]

If the government says a property owner can't develop his property until archaeology is done, the government should be obliged to pay for it or leave the property owner the hell alone.

[@beagleissleeping5359]

This is nothing to do with archaeology, but government tape: There's an empty lot in my hometown that used to be a city school. The person(s) who purchased it were then told they couldn't build on their new lot because the demolition crew hadn't a proper asbestos removal crew, thus the soil is contaminated. Why didn't the city block the demolition? Because they couldn't sell the lot while the building was still standing. Now there's an empty lot that no one can use for anything except collecting property taxes.

[@Nico6th]

As if the saxon graveyard wasn't ebough - they find a prehistoric site! Poor landowner

[@caribstu]

This one is so old he actually still looked like Baldrick

[@franlooving4203]

I wish Carenza wouldn't interrupt Mick. He is clear and very interesting! LOVE

[@shadetreader]

It’s interesting that most people don’t even notice when men interrupt women...

[@franlooving4203]

@@shadetreader Good point and I agree with your comment. When I made my comment it was based on my learning difference and understanding Mick's way of talking better, but no matter who talks-I never get it when they talk over each other or interrupt each other. Thanks for your reply! Have a great weekend.

[@paulneedham9885]

@@shadetreader usually because we are usually glad they did.

[@LeilahT]

@@shadetreaderWas thinking the same. He was interrupting and talking over her-then telling her she’s wrong. She had to interrupt him just to get a word in! And in this episode especially, she was right every time he told her she wasn’t. Got better in later seasons, thank goodness.

[@3251JOE]

I very much enjoy Tony Robinson's presentation of this series. In this one, however, when the first skull on day one was discovered, before the break, he said, rather callously, "we might even find out how IT died". "IT" was once a human being, and, I think, deserves a more respectful "how this PERSON died".

[@WachdByBigBrother]

If the landowner is made to pay for the archeology, then he should be able to own the stuff they find. If the government wants it, they should pay for it along with the cost to excavate it. After all, why would one guy be expected to pay for national treasures? I agree with excavating sites so heritage isn't lost but the British government, and especially the filthy rich monarchy, can afford to pay for this. I've read stories also where the British government bilks people out of the true value of found treasure as well. The whole system there, regarding archeological finds needs to be overhauled.

[@littledikkins2]

After listening to that very uncaring female Bureaucrat, I am very glad for the US Constitution's "taking clause'.

[@ericknutson8679]

Little Dikkins that holds until the native americans show up and claim the site is holy to them

[@deetsy4jesus]

+Little Dikkins Have you not heard of "eminent domain" My grandparents were kicked off their land so the state could build a highway. No compensation at all. It happens everywhere, including the US!

[@jrmckim]

​@@deetsy4jesusif that happened to your gparents then they could sue the local government for no compensation.

[@robertlaszcz5981]

Bloody bureaucrats. They should pay for this mess personally.

[@shadetreader]

Interesting how conservatives always claim to love history... until it inconveniences them.

[@Lasher500]

shadetreader you haven’t a fucking clue how I vote.

[@jrmckim]

​@@shadetreaderget out of here troll

[@t.j.payeur739]

I got so angry at the way that the land owner was treated that I couldn't watch anymore...

[@williamjones7718]

The arrogance of that drab, dead soul bureaucrat was amazing.

[@lorawiese5897]

To bad that back then they didn't have "go fund me". This is one "go fund me" projects I would have joined.

[@shadetreader]

Conservatives: ”Science makes me angry!”

[@garrymunn6760]

@@lorawiese5897 , why would you want to give your money to someone who seems unable to manage his own money. If he was so hard done by, how was he to able purchase the property he so badly wants to develop?

[@jrmckim]

​@@shadetreaderget out of here troll

[@heatherdickau5335]

I would think people would not want to have archaeology found on their land because it could cause issues with them using the land.

[@Metaphix]

legend says he's still waiting to build his house to this day

[@scarletfluerr]

Facts says he went bankrupt and the bank took the property back.

[@Metaphix]

@@scarletfluerr that sucks. the UK has so many bullshit laws

[@vermontvermont9292]

@@Metaphix not to mention no freedom of speech, no 2nd amendment , and is the testing grounds for 1984 lol. What's this whole thing about a license for TV's ?

[@karenq8255]

Shaky Hand Pictures we saved your butts in two world wars. Idiot

[@paulneedham9885]

@@vermontvermont9292 But we do have a rich history, gun laws and we are the home of democracy with the mother of all parliaments. My house back in the UK is older than your country.

[@martinezlucia101]

Anyone know what happened to the developer? My heart breaks for him. Financially devastating

[@PaulMahon-w2b]

Lost it all land and wife but is doing better. Has a new wife and family working as a teacher. 😊

[@JonFrumTheFirst]

Tony: "How big was the circle?" Local: "Oh, it was a big circle."

[@maddog2771]

Was here in October 2019

[@mrs.horton5998]

I am perfectly OK with people not building over amazing history. All of these people saying that its OK have to be Americans. We have no history so we cant conceptualize building over anything important.

[@jrmckim]

Uhh.... no written history... but there's history here.

[@robertlast3052]

These kind of restrictions is exactly what causes history to be lost. Know what is in store for the property owner is why most sites are not reported.

[@judeirwin2222]

This kind or these kinds, not these kind or this kinds.

[@Nico6th]

Their very first skull! Later episodes: people collecting skulls they found in their backyard in a shed xD

[@bevanpope7924]

Gotta love the chavvy tracky the digger driver had on. Didn’t anyone tell him he might appear on Telly?

[@Oser014]

I know he is joking but Valhalla is for people who die in battle

[@CreatingwithWinglessAngel]

Also only vikings went there. Not saxons.

[@ObeyCamp]

Best show ever.

[@VIIStar]

OH, now i need to know what's in the urn they left in the ground.... ;o; don't tease me!

[@georgephillips7956]

It appears to be more of a socialist form of government. Its all for the government and people.

[@suwaidajalal]

Cremation burial of a prehistoric human.

[@connieeveritt5704]

The brooch design is the same as the double circles on the fields. Yes if the government wants to preserve the sites then the landowner should be compensated.

[@missweeble1]

why didn't the other people have to excavate? doesn't seem very fair

[@LambChowder1]

the rare tony in glasses episode

[@nelkosme3734]

The poor guy caught in a catch 22! If the nation wants the heritage preserved it should step in, mot bankrupt the owner. In other places people live with skeletons of past under and nobody makes them pull down the building to escalate the remains.

[@ladyflimflam]

14:40 This guy failed to do his due diligence. That land around the site was required to be excavated before building and contained bodies is public information and known 30 years before. He could have talked to the appropriate authorities before planning, even before buying the land.

[@patukott]

Tony dear, Soviet Union and the Russian Empire were not exactly one and the same thing :)

[@jrmckim]

Pretty damn close

[@keiraussher]

Its a confusingly timed episode, since Tony seems to have his hairstyle and glasses from the first season, but Mick has his jumper and Phil has his hat, both of which first appeared in the second season. But Carenza's hair is shorter than the first season and first three episodes of the second. She does mention though that going up in the helicopter is a first for her, which she did in the last episode, so this one might predate it.

[@claudeusgothicus6453]

Ken W - Or maybe you're watching the episodes out of order.

[@billie-jobenway8658]

The episodes are not always aired in the order they were dug and shot. I have noticed this with a few episodes. It becomes obvious when you watch several episodes a day almost every day and dig through a bunch of articles related to the show. I have a nearly unhealthy love of the show. lol

[@schradeya]

7:50 - Holy crap, seriously? They can/could really stop him from working and making money, force a service upon him, and then bill him for it? Are they trying to starve him intentionally? That's absolutely horrible! They should be paying _him_!! Seriously, if they want him to stop using the land as his, they need to buy it off him and make it public land or at least compensate him enough that he does not miss the money that land was bringing in, for the rest of his life. Funny, if this were American TV, I bet they would NEVER air such a statement about the government's over-power. In fact, I bet they would suppress it the best they could, and it would be regarded as "crazy conspiracy theory" if it ever did get released.

[@schradeya]

UGH honestly! It's so unbelievable to me! When Tony is talking to that callous woman at ~15:00, she says oh I understand it's bankrupting him and all, but we don't have any money either. Well, then, guess what? If you can't afford it, and he can't afford it (and is really suffering because of it), then you need to either back off completely or let him / help him sell that land to somebody who can afford it until your municipality does have the money. Argh, she said she was the one who slapped him with the mandate, then says well there's nothing I can personally do about that. Just leave him be, with only the condition that he doesn't ruin any of the artefacts. It wouldn't be difficult, with how far below the surface they are. Man, I really feel for this poor guy! It's unbelievably unfair and backwards! I wonder if things still work this way? And I wonder if the guy finally came out alright in the end, or if this ended up totally ruining him? So sad!

[@schradeya]

Celto Loco WOW really?? Oh my gosh, you are SO RIGHT. The way they act causes land owners to hide or even *destroy* important archaeology rather than preserve it, because people know they'll have their land stolen from them!! Pay them half the value ten years later... holy shit, they must go bankrupt paying a mortgage on land they can't use! Unbelievable! I never thought of it like that, and I'll bet you the damn governments never thought of it like that either. Damn, you should be working for them, haha! (I doubt you'd sell your soul like that though, lol!) I live in the US, in Texas, so thankfully there is little likelihood of me ever find anything interesting on my land. Plus, I only have 1/5th of an acre right now, if that. But damn, once I ever do get mny land, I'm going to make sure that I never find anything valuable there so I can keep it. Wow, man. It's funny the way the US (and probably to some extent Canada as well) acts about archaeology. We have so little diggable archaeology here, since there is just soooo much land, and the people here weren't using/didn't have the kinds of materials that last for millennia like they used in the UK and Europe. There was an episode Time Team did in Maryland, and Phil and Tony were getting really frustrated about how slowly the dig was going. The American archaeologists insisted upon sifting through every single shovelful of spoil (on a huge excavation) looking for any tiny little thing. He stated it beautifully: "every tiny little artefact really _means_ something to them." And he's absolutely right. Since we have so little history on our continent, we absolutely _treasure_ every single find, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant, while they ignore loads of things we would love, hardly ever look at spoil, and often completely disregard or even intentionally destroy 17th and 18th century archaeology - which would be _priceless_ to us - because they're looking for something hundreds or even thousands of years older! Aaaaanyway... I guess what I mean by all that text is that I can _understand_ why our North American governments act that way, but holy shit they need to find a better way to deal with it and not totally dick over the rightful land owners!! There has simply *got* to be a satisfactory compromise! And I'm *really* surprised that the UK government, with their vast history, and their vast history of dealing with history (lol), has not come up with a better system and continues to outright rob legitimate land owners! Hell, we probably modelled our laws on their system, and we are simply too different to do such a thing. It's ridiculous, and just as you said, it's more dangerous to archaeology than it is beneficial, because I'm certain that people *do*, regularly even, obscure or outright *destroy* valuable artefacts to protect their entire life's work and investments and livelihood. Outrageous!

[@braddblk]

schradeya Here we have protection for the scenery! While I enjoy the Columbia Gorge, I grew up here there are thousands of feet of basalt that the river has worn through and the rocks are falling on the roads but I risk a ticket if I take a few rocks for my garden,

[@schradeya]

Brad Black We have situations like that here in the US as well. One example is the Bluebonnet flowers in Texas. They are the state flower and therefore protected by law, so if you are caught picking them or damaging them, you _can be_ ticketed. I think it would take a bit of a jerk cop to ticket you for something like that. Bluebonnets are actually a _very_ prolific weed, and so they're everywhere and they spread like wildfire. The problem really comes when they take root on your property! You aren't allowed to mow them down or kill them, so if they get into your garden, you've got to leave them!! I think most people do get rid of them before anybody notices, which is not too difficult, I think, because they only bloom for a couple weeks of the year; it's much more difficult to identify them when they're not blooming. I'm sure there are several other similar situations over here, too. I know you can't just go shipping off the bark from the great Redwoods in the California forests and things like that!! (And I edited this strangely... in fact I traded out the comments entirely, because I'd replied to the wrong person at first!)

[@schradeya]

Celto Loco It just seems awful and tyrannical, doesn't it! But at least in that situation, they were paid, or somebody _tried_ to pay them. I've heard of that happening in the states as well, when there is an "imminent domain" issue (I _believe_ that's the correct phrase_), for example when they're building a huge highway right through a neighborhood or something like that. They obviously can't just let one or two houses stay in the way, so they will force them out one way or another. The owners will be paid for their property... usually the minimum they can get away with. I don't think I've ever seen anybody be told they cannot use their land the way this man was, but honestly, I'm sure it happens here, too! (edited strangely because I replied to the wrong person! Hi Celto Loco! I keep running into you, friend!!

[@OldSkoolWax]

First appearance of Mick the Dig!

[@SharpAssKnittingNeedles]

And he's so luscious with that beard isn't he! Super cute clean shaven too, but damn that beard 😍

[@kathystevetrooperblanck609]

So you go to all the trouble of not desicrating a grave but you don't rebury the people you dug up.

[@Headwind-1]

all bollocks init

[@iamfreebgm8856]

Preserving history takes precedence over greed. Often when history is found, greed tries to buy it, hide n keep it for themselves. All while destrying what are left. Forcing humans to repeat it. Yet at times government could at least offer some sort of compensation.

[@davekinghorn9567]

British Archaeology is the National treasure & property of the Country, its history. I don't see the logic in compelling a private landowner to pay for excavation of the Nation's history. If the government is going to insist upon an excavation on privately owned land, and correctly so, then why would the Government not fund the excavation?

[@jimsimon2536]

rehab at Yale pls NOW

[@oliverwade8066]

My guess for GPS is 51.115991,-1.740573

[@desslokbasileus571]

23:48　25:31　35:07 35:38　44:39

[@Richard-zm6pt]

I think Tony is a little strange in this episode regarding the human remains. He refers to them as "the stiffs" early on, and then he says "find out how IT died."

[@karenklnck1377]

The skeleton is an it until an expert tells the amateur whether it's male or female.

[@jrmckim]

​@@karenklnck1377or a "they/them"

[@Petalslash]

lemme guess he pays for it but if they find gold they take that and still charge him. sounds fair.

[@QwarkE1]

just watched this and i bloody well hope Britain has stopped trying to gouge the land owners so sad

[@samhart4205]

What happened to the landowner was so callous. Eugh bureaucracy 😖

[@williamjones7718]

At 15:00 is how you end up with heads on pikes. Smug shit.

[@TheGoldbaxter]

"If were going to find these stiffs" LOL

[@BobBob-rt1vl]

Another example of petty local racism. If a town council doesn’t have the money to excavate then they shouldn’t bankrupt a landowner who does not either!!!

[@dianadrb]

Geez imagine finding out your living in the middle of a cemetery. Sounds like the beginning of a scary movie! Ewwwwww!

[@billie-jobenway8658]

I would have been out there asking to dig with them:) I figure if cutting into a corpse in Anatomy lab didn't bother me, digging up bones sure won't.

[@patrickwentz8413]

Wow they bankrupt the poor guy and sit on their asses. Reminds me of when a guy here in the USA had a problem with a local township cutting off road access to his business so he armored his bulldozer and drove thru all the counsel mens houses...... just saying.

[@blex5579]

good for Buckland! lol

[@mefford67]

*The ONLY episode of Time Team that left a bad taste in my mouth... I understand the necessity of protecting archeological finds but this was straight up a financial rape. The Government is demanding an excavation and won’t pay for it? That’s insane!* 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@EventHorizon3.14]

We’re going to block access to people watching what we’re doing… spoken like a true bureaucrat 😂 I’ve watched almost every time team episode and this is the most political one. People were very nice about scheduled sites and pulling rank after this.

[@EmAViking]

Dat phone doe.

[@jrmckim]

Im skipping this one...i cant handle the drama of the land.

[@Libbathegreat]

For anyone looking for the update on what happened to the developer and his land after the dig: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jninm5-EpdRngrs (Time Time Special 01 with relevant time stamp).

[@elfeneule103]

Thank you for posting this link :-)

[@Libbathegreat]

@@elfeneule103 Welcome :)

[@lennytyler1571]

With a head of hair also.

[@ktritsch4009]

So who paid for Time Team then? Surely it wasnt the government. Was it Channel4? Ty. :)

[@stewartw.9151]

If the bloody council want the site examined then they, not the landowner, should be forced to pay for that! Typical effing government, no use to man nor beast!

[@TheStevenWhiting]

This makes you not want to mention to anyone, any finds. "Oh we've scheduled your site so you can't build on it. We have no money to excavate. You also have no money to excavate but still you can't build on it or sell it." Wouldn't surprise me if in situations like this, "someone" comes in the night and trashes the place. Would be a shame but when they do this to you, you can understand it. Also even more annoying was when digging up the grave and the public was watching. So the archeologist said "we're now going to have to shield this area from all the eyes" but its public history ffs!

[@robinandrews5478]

She always interrupts! No manners!

[@UFOzNoJoke]

👓

[@alexdelforge]

Archaeology is a problem that you have and don't know, you call some strange people that will resolve it in a way that you will not understand.

[@daveshrum1749]

I don't understand how anything gets built in the UK. I love the show and I understand about preserving archaeology but literally something turns up on your land and it could bankrupt you. Once that happens you can't do anything to it no one is going to buy it, it literally seems ridiculous to me. It seems to me if the government is going to do something like that it should compensate landowners and building owners for this kind of stuff. I mean the UK has been inhabited for so long you can't throw a stick into the air without finding archaeology. And it's very obvious when they made those rules they did not consider ordinary homeowners or farmers at all. I hate to say it but if it was me and I found something I would destroy it. It's one thing if you're a developer with millions of dollars or billions of dollars going into the development but these are just regular people it's ridiculous.

[@CreatingwithWinglessAngel]

After reading the comments I have to point out..English Heritage. Scheduling Britain to homelessness and starvation there are artifacts everywhere shake my head

[@sqike001ton]

this is an example of why I don't like the rules set for this type of thing man buys ground finds it has archeological importance and is told you cant build i think the government should be required to come in and do the archelogy in a timely manner not years but months or they lose the right to it and the guy can if he choses come in and dig it up with a backhoe and destroy everything this is the penalty for the government to come in and dig the stuff up. I'm not even touching on the issues of "coin hordes" i find it it should be mine if the government wants it they should have the right of first bid or rely on my kindness as it is now if i wound a "horde" i would melt the coins down for scrap value if I cant make money why should the government

[@anthonyhargis6855]

Just like in the United States, the living get to starve and go bankrupt because someone with a Ph.D. gives a crap about some stranger that's been dead for thousands of years. And if that urn was "undisturbed" how in the hell did they get it on that board while it was still in the ground so as to lift it out? Eminent Domain does not exist to screw the currently living, tax paying citizen. I like these shows, but this is just total nonsense.

[@sgrannie9938]

Hairspray 😂

[@oldtimer5283]

Not very fair to the land owner tho...tax payer should fit the bill..my own personal view and il stand by it...

[@RapiersSting]

why should the owner get a damned thing if all he wants to do is destroy it to put up more unneeded houses most ppl probably can't afford these days. . Its more like the land owner is the greedy one.

[@littledikkins2]

It is his land, bought before that 'female' decided to essentially bankrupt him.

[@dennisnicholson952]

Look at 'em. All gathering around a trench to marvel at some Saxon guy's skull.