RTX 4070 vs RX 7800 XT - Which is the Better Buy NOW?

[@techyescity]

Working on episode 3 of the $100 flip up challenge at the moment, crazy deals unfolding as we speak

[@Willbme4EVA]

Ohhh flipping Yes City! Enjoying the long awaited series. Give us some more Sir!

[@Asquadron1]

Hi, can u explain me how could I break the motherboard with just replacing gpu, i was very careful did not hit anything, after that i got cpu led light and power not goin to cpu( its not heating), how its possible?

[@manofyeo]

It's a great time for deals! I just got a full pc with a 5600, 3070, 32gb trident, noctua cooler, 1.5tb ssds in a white nzxt case for $450 USD. A little cleaning and its getting listed for $750 today.

[@JimboSliceee23]

@@Asquadron1 this is a wild guess, but check the motherbord standoffs, if some is on the wrong place it might short the morherboard. I might be wrong. Then the usual. Reseat the ram,and mb powe and cpu power cables. Also the front panel cables if it does not start at all with the power Button.

[@Asquadron1]

@@JimboSliceee23 i already send mobo to the warranty 2-4 weeks, see whats happens

[@ShinyHelmet]

Hey Bryan. One thing with the Radeon cards is that you don't need MSI Afterburner at all. You can do all the undervolting and onscreen overlays directly through the Radeon software.

[@techyescity]

Definitely, I just personally do prefer driver only install with afterburner over adrenalin myself, since I would opt not to use relive as capture.

[@gamingoptimized]

The VRAM difference is going to make a difference in the future for sure

[@XiaOmegaX]

Once a 32gb console comes out yeah. Until then 12gb is enough since that's the vram usage target for console's 16gb unified memory, and those assets are basically straight-up ported over to PC. Very few titles will bother enhancing assets above and beyond that for PC.

[@Greez1337]

By that time, these cards will probably not be strong enough to drive desirable frame rates. I mean, look at the 1% lows, the 4070 is often beating the 7800XT despite the hampered Memory Bus..which matters more than people give credit for. Textures on high instead of Ultra at 1440p is not as big of a deal as stability, emulation performance, and features. Then again, this is assuming prices are similair.

[@beachslap7359]

​@@Greez1337what are you on about? Sufficient vram buffer lets you max out texture quality which is the most visually impactful graphics setting with no performance loss, doesn't matter how strong the gpu itself is.

[@mrmrmrcaf7801]

The power consumption difference is going to make the 4070 free if you game for 10 hours a day. Within the period of 3 years you save 1 Megawatt of electricity , in my opinion, this beats the difference from vram if you live in an area with expensive electricity.

[@JimboSliceee23]

​@@mrmrmrcaf7801What? :D official tdp difference is 63W. Iven if it were 100 Watts difference in power usage that wpuld affect alot. 🙈 100Wx10 hours is 1Kwh in 10 hours. In my county price is 0,15€ per KWh. So you would save 0,15€ per day. If you playd 10hours a day (wich almost nobody does) you would save 51,1euros a year. Three years would be 153€. Do you pay like 5 times more in electricity?

[@dianaalyssa8726]

I have a 7800XT (Gigabyte OC) got back on sale also. I could see the 4070 for a flip. 7900XTX I really like that card too just sometimes you don't need more than the 7800XT to casually play certain games in 1440P.

[@screamyscreamy7451]

did u got any issues like driver issues or anything else im planing to upgrade too and im between rx 7800xt and rx 4070 i see people say thay have issues with rx 7800 xt can u share ur experience pls ?

[@dianaalyssa8726]

One of the driver issues is specifically with WoW most people are running on DX11, 7800XT is stable on 2nd latest. Avatar will crash if I record/browse on 7900XTX December Avatar minimal driver with OBS open. BG3 have had crash DX12 Windows, works better Linux Vulcan. Not perfect but good value. Would check your games if there are issues. 7800XT has been a pretty good deal, raided on it just fine DX11, Discord, browser all open no issues. Diablo 4 ran fine both cards (have not played in a while). @@screamyscreamy7451

[@dianaalyssa8726]

7800XT has been good. (7900XTX have had some games driver issues: Avatar recently) There is a Blizzard bug with WoW this patch where I'm running DX11 November driver on the XT, but that is game specific. I daily drive XT for 1440P. @@screamyscreamy7451

[@dieaking6475]

Im playing on a 1920x1080 280hz screen with this card but i can max out any game. ill get a secondary 4k screen or a 2560x1080 120hz screen. just to run some RPGs on it. Im awed bye the performance. But i was also good a few years ago with a 1080. that card still blasting most games.

[@itachione2483]

@@screamyscreamy7451 I have this 7800XT saphire version: "don't buy, they have a lot of bugs, unplayable...." Just a lots of shit. I don't had any issue with my old r9 380, and i don't have any issue with the 7800xt too. Just buy and play.

[@vincekara9446]

IMO, AMD has come a long way regarding driver stability and performance bang for buck. Nvidia has become overpriced and are using their reputation and fanbase over the years to justify their prices. Plus, their higher end RTX 'BBQ' 12VHPWR connectors skewed me away. Speaking of the used market, I wanted to buy a used RTX 3080ti from FB marketplace however some are asking ~$1K for it. Rather then getting the run around from FB, delays in response ...etc, people are still cocky in relation to their prices and its saleability, so I jumped on the RX7800XT new for cheaper with full 3 years warranty. Best decision I've made!

[@Elst07896]

...and that's my thinking exactly! I'm upgrading my HTPC so RT isn't an issue. I've gone all 4K and HDR, so the 16gb VRAM and 256 bit memory bus on the Radeon will add the extra 'muscle'. 👍👍❤❤

[@will-zj5gq]

i love me some bbq, just not in my graphics card lol

[@mikanuutinen2264]

Just bought the 7800XT to replace my trusty GTX1080. Man, I dont know why people are talking shit about drivers or VR support, cuz this card just rips through all games that I throw at it at max settings.

[@xdonnix]

I think in these comparison videos it is also probably important to note that your CPU matters. If you have an AMD CPU you can leverage SAM and get a decent performance boost increases across a lot of titles.

[@tasosss38]

Why no one mention the power w ? Almost the same performance but 4070 consumes 100w less.

[@andljoy]

I am still happy with my 6900XT liquid devil. It does a fantastic job of everything i throw at it.

[@muramusan]

It's legit a top 10 card even on par or beats the 3090ti or 4070ti. Especially if you oc clock it, it's crazy. I sold my 6900xt yesterday to get a xtxh card or 6950xt for more oc room. 😂

[@JukkaX]

My 6900 XT Waterforce has a XTXH die.

[@dagnisnierlins188]

I'm running rx6900 xt toxic le, stable oc 2.711ghz.

[@andljoy]

@@muramusan mine has a very minor OC on the core and ram maxed the the max whist the card is also undervolted . I have found that gives the best performance whist keeping the wattage low .

[@dagnisnierlins188]

​@@JukkaXhow far you were able to push it?

[@bluej511]

Funny how when power doesnt matter people say buy nvidia but now that AMD uses more power people say use nvidia, that's hilarious to me.

[@techyescity]

I have always had a big focus on efficiency, way back in the day I criticized the RX 570 and 580 for it in my reviews vs their predecessors for example.

[@bluej511]

@@techyescity Yea but its funny how it shifts ways. Remember how power hungry the 3000 nvidias were but everyone said buy em anyways even though they'd spike power supplies and make em trip.

[@techyescity]

Efficiency was very similar between RX 6000 and RTX 3000, with the exception of the rx 6600, that was actually the most efficient out of the box card I had seen. At least from all the testing I had done, where were you getting the power numbers from?@@bluej511

[@bluej511]

@@techyescity from people actually using their 3080/3090 and tripping their PSUs lol. i forgot who tested em but might have been techpowerup who actually tested peak power or maybe LTT.

[@techyescity]

I sold a few 3080 pcs with 650w power supplies (bronze), never once had one come back.@@bluej511

[@BrianHallmond]

I got a pre made PC recently with a 4070 ti. It runs things well. Red Dead 2 on alllll Max/ultra settings and played some Cyberpunk today on MAX settings. Bouncing between 50-70 fps. Dropped a few settings slightly and held a smooth 60-70 for the rest of play.

[@d4nith3]

2:42 lets talk about 283W vs 178W Power ussage difference here. RTX4070 is the clear winner.

[@hueman69420]

Ikr but amd's PR dept. is way better tho

[@christophervanzetta]

@@hueman69420I call it Advanced Marketing Department (AMD) because all they do is push out sus marketing

[@pdmerritt]

7800xt undervolts really well....most peeps I know who own it undervolt it. I hardly EVER see my power usage go that high. I also tend to limit my fps to 90 or so. (i don't play competitive fps) power usage is actually really reasonable when setup this way.

[@hueman69420]

@@pdmerritt he literally said the opposite in the video lol stop licking amd's ass and admit that amd gpus are useless you cant do video rendering, you wont be able to mine on them if there is another mining boom and you cant even play games with ray tracing, enjoy your 10 more fps in " raw performance" ill take better encoder-decoders, ray tracing, upscaling tech thats not pathetic and better productivity performance any day besides amd cards arent even that cheap outside of usa/canada

[@helloWorld-04]

Nobody cares about 100 watt more, my home AC, washing machine, refrigerator already make a huge chunk of the electricity bill. I want better power in the same budget. That's what matters. And stop crying, it's not a clear winner. Since when the "clear winner" was based on tdp, from the time AMD started kicking nvidia's b*tt. I owned an rtx 3070 ti, and the vram issues are horrendous. Hogwarts legacy, horizon forbidden west both weren't even playable for me. Switched to rx 7800 xt and enjoying every second of it. Even now rtx 4070 causes microstutter in Hogwarts legacy every 5 to 10 seconds. Live with that.

[@NovaPog37]

I'm getting a powercolor hellhound 7800 XT, it just looks better

[@НААТ]

Enjoy it dude! You'll enjoy it way more then a 4070 or even 4070ti. I myself went for the 7900XT

[@grantmackinnon1307]

i have the gigabyte oc 7800xt. great card you wont regret going with it.

[@darkfire3691]

@@НААТ Why would he enjoy a slower and less power efficient card with worse features?(4070 ti)

[@НААТ]

@@darkfire3691 you mean a faster more vram card that can actually handle 1440p without needing those features?

[@AwesomeBlackDude]

The market deployment needs to reconsider the XT card's name, as the power of the GPU is not that impressive. Naming a mid-range GPU "Hellhound" creates a conundrum, as it should ideally be reserved for a top-tier card. C'mon bro really? 😅

[@sgredsch]

if the 4070 had 16gb vram it would be the go to pick hands down, but it doesnt and it stings, especially at that price point. however the more efficient memory management of nvidia shrinks the vram gap a bit. in real world terms the 4070 is more like a 14gb card if it was an amd card. with the 4070 you get about the same performance in raster with 100w less power draw, significantly better raytracing performance, dlss & framegen (for games such as cyberpunk), video super resolution (which is great for low bitrate/resolution web videos), cuda support, better video codecs (especially h264) and better application performance especially for 3d and cad. i like the amd driver interface better, the need to use afterburner for a simple undervolt is very convoluted. but that doesnt really outweight the pros of the 4070 over the 7800XT. the 7800XT should be a constant $100 below the 4070 to be a strong value competitor. at the same price, its just not worth it - give or take that 4gb (or rather 2gb) gap of vram. UNLESS you play call of duty, the extra performance of rdna2 and rdna3 is quite substantial here.

[@dexter9622]

4070 ti is 3 times expensive compared to 7800xt where i live

[@Wobbothe3rd]

The vram isn't a big issue at all. The 4070 beats the 7800xt in 1% lows. AMDs 80 class can't beat Nvidia's 80 class. You AMD fanboys don't even watch these videos anymore, you just type these essays to reassure your own egos. Pathetic.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

​@@dexter96224070 =/= 4070ti

[@mrnorrland]

got a 7800xt when it was on sale over black week, and i most say i love it, just the adrenalin software itself made me enjoy the switch from my 3070

[@jazue6143]

you have any driver issues yet?

[@mrnorrland]

@@jazue6143 not had any problems with it

[@Revocai]

my 7800xt powercolor hellhound is so fking loud its disgusting im returning it for a rtx 4070 undervolting or fan speed doesnt make a difference

[@mrnorrland]

@@Revocai my 7800xt pure from shapphire dosent make any noise at all

[@Revocai]

@@mrnorrland i rmad my previous card and the company i bought it from says they replaced it but its legit the same product number it only does this with high frame rates so im just returning it and going to buy a gigabyte gaming oc

[@clem9808]

4070 is the best performing Gpu I could get on my 550w psu, and 1000va UPS. The power draw never went above 150w, and mostly around 100-130w 4k 60fps locked. In long term value , I believe I made the best decision. 👌

[@out42c]

You actually get better performance and higher clocks when undervolting the Phantom Gaming card. I've noticed you pick up a couple frames when gaming while lowering hotspot temps. It's the sort of thing you similarly when you use PBO on the Ryzen CPUs. I've seen clock speed as high as 2711so far MHz just by undervolting.

[@richardfarmer6570]

Thanks for bringing up resale value, this is something that is usually not talked about when comparing Nvidia to AMD and one of the reasons I bought a 4070 Ti.

[@pkpnyt4711]

It's not always the case where NV had the higher resale value. When the boom for mining went nuts the RX580/480 went crazy and that card sold for 4x it's original msrp. It's NV counterpart didn't even sniff any of that. There have been multiple other cards where this happened with AMD. Also, if you plan to keep it for 4 years or more, the price difference is negligable for cards in the same price range.

[@syncmonism]

@@pkpnyt4711 The 6800 XT has also retained better resale value than its direct competitor, the RTX 3080, at least relative to the original MSRP. I think they tend to go for roughly the same price, but last I checked, 3080's were going for a bit less than the 6800 XT. Clearly the big difference in the vram capacity has something to do with that, as people are afraid that 10GB will seriously limit the 3080. The 4070 ti is another Nvidia card with a very low vram capacity for its price tier, and the same thing could easily happen again with the 4070 ti vs AMD's closest competitor, the 7900 XT.

[@jrgames215]

The worst price-to-performance GPU of the entire generation

[@sheratedis]

Videos are coming out like breads from the factory and I like it!

[@SuperDuDDe-qg3ig]

I bought the 7800 xt last month, a beast so far in all games :D hade nvidia 3050 before , a massive boost in fps :D

[@VideoGamersElite]

Its insane how good performance per watt NVIDIA gets with 40 series while remain that cooler

[@buttergolem8584]

Still waiting for that price drop under 500€ for the RTX 4070.

[@tyre1337]

keep buying nvidia and maybe next gen they'll put a 128-bit bus on the 5070 so y'all can lower the settings even more

[@jeshi1779]

I am very very happy with my 7800xt red devil LE OC'd to 3010mhz with a 1000mV underclock. I get anywhere from 240-300 fps in MW3 with only a 7600x

[@puffdaddy_77]

what u think how long can my gpu last i play 12 hours a day

[@Eternalduoae]

Sorry, Bryan - one correction: percentile frametime values are NOT fps values and SHOULD NOT be converted into fps numbers. Many outlets make this mistake but it's like quoting an acceleration value and turning it into a velocity value.... Other than that - excellent review! I've also looked at 7800XT vs 4070 (I have the "reference" models of each) and the 4070 is an amazing card for SFF and power efficient builds. The 7800XT is, overall, the higher performing card if you discount RT but even then it can be pretty close depending on what settings you play at. My leaning is more towards the 4070 because it's available in very small sized two-fan configs, whereas the 7800XT's smallest design I've found is the Sapphire Pulse, which /just about/ fits inside my SFF case. On the other hand, the Geforce cards in those small designs are all very cheap feeling, which I'm not a fan of...

[@ragetist]

Personally I prefer bigger cooling solutions because of they're usually quieter but on the benchies I kept seeing ~100W differences so here it's not that simple equation 😅

[@syncmonism]

Wouldn't the reference model 7800 XT be smaller? For some reason, the only reference model available is also made by Sapphire, but it's not the same as the "Pulse" model.

[@Eternalduoae]

@@syncmonism Technically, you're correct. However, the AMD reference design basically doesn't exist (and certainly not available in my region). The Pulse 7700 XT and 7800 XT are essentially the reference design with a slightly longer PCB (which is mostly just empty space) and a few extra resistors/capacitors in optional spots and a HDMI port swapped in for a DP port. The difference in size is minimal, too. So, for me, the Pulse is the defacto reference design since there's no OC and no special board alterations. It's also the cheapest and smallest design you can buy from any partner. The rest are all three fan configs which are too long to get into my SFF case.

[@DodgyTodger]

I had to cut away some of my case housing to get a 32cm 6800xt in. If it had been curved a bit at the end it would have been ok

[@lemonke5341]

thank you for this review was thinking of going for a 7800 xt but i think i changed my mind with that power consumption

[@KneeCutter]

I wish the 4070 had 16 gbs of vram. Its efficiency is way better than the 7800 xt for slightly less performance and it includes the nvidia exclusive features that are praised for being better than the competition. The price in my country is the same for both cards so if someone is looking for a computer I will most likely recommend them the 4070 over the 7800 xt in the near future.

[@toivopro]

You can just undervolt the 7800xt lol. And 3000 series uses more power then the 6000 series. Then the story was gamers dont care about power...

[@tomthomas3499]

Planned obsolescence, just like with 3070 currently

[@Wobbothe3rd]

​​@@toivoproperformance per watt. Ampere was wayyyyy more performant. You're more interested in settling scores than considering actual user value. Vram just doesn't matter as much as you AMD nut riders think it does, and repeating that it does over and over won't make it any more true.

[@mojojojo6292]

​@@toivoproas if you can't undervolt the 4070. You can bring it down to 150w with 0 loss in performance with how well the vram overclocks. Every single 4070 will do at least +1400 on the memory.

[@christophervanzetta]

I’d advise against going for more VRAM over DLSS that’s going to actually be utilized in the future. It’s going to be around a decade before you can even fill up 16GB of VRAM and by then the processing power is going to be extremely weak. Look at the trends in the industry ;)

[@reneljubarskij3214]

all 4070 models cost almost 50-100 EUR more in my country compared to 7800 XT, makes no sense to buy one, actually it feels like it was DOA with 12 GB VRAM

[@FhargaZ]

Bought a 7800xt 4 weeks ago; after done days i had many issues with crashes and restart, tried many things like changing settings of power use, clean windows install, bought a new power supply and so on; nothing worked and there were a lot of people on the amd forum and reddit with the same issues. With the drivers from the last 2 week the computer has been running perfectly. Many pointed out that it waa drivers fault that provoked the gpu doing power spikes whwn playing games. To me it was: Alan wake = craah, cyberpunk = black screen and crash, Baldurs gate 3 = black screen and disabled gpu driver by windows.

[@jrgames215]

"Don't lie, bitch. AMD drivers work perfectly. I have a 7700X with a 7800XT, and all games run stable."

[@shoobror8291]

You’re not alone.

[@joedarkness808]

I would still go with the RX7800XT So far I have had 3 x 3080 die with hardware issues (all under warranty) I using a 6900XT at the moment and it's been rock solid

[@techyescity]

which model 3080? were they mining crypto? that's crazy to have 3 3080s have hardware issues.

[@christophervanzetta]

Super sus because my 3080 since May of 2021 is still running perfectly.

[@techyescity]

I haven't come into any hardware problems on my cards since the 2080 ti.@@christophervanzetta

[@mojojojo6292]

Sounds like complete bullshit. The odds of that would be millions to 1.

[@nipa5961]

Same for me, all Nvidia cards died on me. I bought only AMD ever since.

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

The better buy is the card with Tech YES Lovin'

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

@RAM_845 Marco's still getting things set up. So many things on the go. Bryan's CPU will be featured too

[@techyescity]

I need a video from this man, is Marco really the master bender?

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

@@techyescity I spent $400 on used camera equipment so i can do it properly

[@Willbme4EVA]

@@MarcoGPUtuber Marco making it happen, good luck, and salute

[@billythao5094]

Would a 750 watt 80plus gold power supply be enough for the 7800?

[@stuff_]

yes

[@fozzy6897]

I went nitro+ 7800 xt with the green team having 80% of the gpu market share plus crazy prices on the high end gpu's i decided to support red. I popped an OC on my gpu undervolt etc in The last of us i got an avg of 82 fps 1440 ultra. 4070 ti manages 78 without an oc granted, but still price to performance is nice.

[@toivopro]

Went for a 7800x3d and 7800xt(570euro). At the moment have a r7 2700x and a rx580. And i have had 0 issues with Rx580. Pay over 600 eur for 12gb on the 4070 is a joke!

[@d4nith3]

Dont worry, u will pay anyway for the electricity bill because 7800XT pulls +100W over the 4070 and puts out more heat into ur case which ultimately heats up ur 7800X3D. 😮

[@toivopro]

@@d4nith3 LOL and i should care for maybe a 10 euro saving in 5 years? You now power draw depends on resoluton and fps aswell? Why should i go over my screens refresh rate.

[@CrazO9111]

Power consumtion is only 50watt more. Thats nothing for normal playing on the weekend. Got both cards, you see no difference in heat.​@@d4nith3

[@d4nith3]

@CrazO9111 i saw +100W difference in average in this video.

[@CrazO9111]

@@d4nith3 UV/OC then maybe. TDP 200 // 263 Watt.

[@MANNY100123]

JUST THE VIDEO I NEEDED! Was looking at cards the other day and can't decide! Thanks, Bryan! ;)

[@Sonic_1000]

Tried both. The 4070 was more consistent for me. And I still had Radeon crashes and some games wouldn't launch. Every time I try a Radeon card there's issues

[@rabbychan]

anecdotal

[@MoofyDoof]

Literally had the same issue. I've had a 5700 XT the past 4 years and I ran into the same problems with a new 7800 XT. I actually ran into more crashes on the 7800 XT than on my 5700 XT, which is crazy. Competitive Esports games like Valo/CS would hitch with SAM On, Singleplayer games like Kingdom Hearts would crash, and AFMF/HAGS would be buggy as hell (Although, it is still in BETA). Popped in my 5700 XT back in and no crashes on KH, but still would have SAM issues and obviously lower frames. Instead of dealing with these issues again with AMD, I decided to return the 7800 XT and order a 4070. AMD is great when it comes to performance and pricing, but that all doesn't matter when I'm running into stability issues all the time.

[@luy-x-killoler2142]

just decided to buy 7800 xt i need to save up tho this will be my first ever pc build

[@hardbass4u369]

Hello Brian, I have recently watched a video you posted a few years ago on a workstation with a Xeon e5-2699 v3 and I looked on eBay in the USA and they currently go for less than $40 USD. I would love to see a new video on the topic of old e5 v3 and v4 CPUs to see how they hold up nowadays.

[@GTduzIt]

I'm still digging my XFX 7800XT and get high frames on Ultra Settings in most games I've tried.

[@dystopia-usa]

No way to really go wrong these days at the performance levels PC's have reached. I went with an AMD CPU+GPU 1440p (120/144Hz) system build for 2024 mainly because I'm not big on supporting either NIVIDA or INTEL as companies these days (& also loved my AMD 3700X 1080p system build from 2019-2024). Haven't been disappointed with my new Ryzen 9 7900 12C/24T CPU & ASUS TUF version RX 7800 XT 16GB combo.

[@seanjamesmacleod241]

First of all if you come to need more vram for nvidia you have to go up to almost $1000 for the next model card. Whereas the 7800xt already has 4gb more. And if you have a Ryzen cpu together with the Amd gpu they both interact to make better performance. It is impressive though that the 4070 is only at 192 bit vs the 256 bit on the XT and yet perform that well.

[@JJ-xc8ms]

The boost of having an AMD cpu and got together is not much of a difference in %.

[@Kleber_03]

@@JJ-xc8msit makes 10% difference

[@TheGiannispanatha13]

7800xt all day and night.

[@gertjanvandermeij4265]

Radeon 4 life !

[@javvyjavvy]

Got an open box gigabyte windforce 4070 from best buy for 340$ lovin it.

[@MaTtRoSiTy]

Pumping out the videos lately dude, thanks!

[@xnocturnus_clips]

I recently upgraded my system from Ryzen 5 2600 + Asus ROG GTX1070 to an Intel 13600KF + Sapphire Nitro+ 7800xt. To those who are into "content creation" such as streaming. Your best bet would be to go with the RTX4070. Sure its just 12GB but what most content creators and tech youtubers have not said is that the encoding across all platforms is just better when it comes down to AV1 vs H264 and NVENC. The NVENC encoder is at the current time superior over the rest of the encoders as it is widely supported by different platforms such as twitch, youtube, FB etc. It will not require you to have super high bitrate just to stream a really crisp image to your viewers. AV1 is supported by both cards however the platforms that support it is at the current time is just KZbin. If you stream on Twitch, the AV1 encoding is not available yet. That said, you will be stuck with H264 which is suffering from pixelation when you do rapid/sudden movements or anything that requires fast/quick movements. Nvidia's NVENC encoder does not suffer from this. 16GB is nice if you are just aiming to game but if you ever want to do productivity, NVIDIA cards such as the 4070 is a much better card for your needs. 12GB of ram is more than enough even for fortnite lumen high. If in the near future platforms such as twitch would start supporting AV1 then you can go with the 7800xt but at the moment, 7800xt is just good if you want MORE VRAM for your games. Don't rely on the amd cards for productivity. You will just be as disappointed as I am.

[@Klooney9mm]

Got myself a PNY 4070 for A$870 to finally replace my EVGA 1080ti Black. I didn't plan on it but for StarField mainly I decided I needed it after noticing the bottleneck. Undervolting went from 180w down to never over 135w with no noticeable FPS difference due to also OC on the VRAM. Size, power usage and heat are all considerations as I only run ITX. I was originally planning on doing a MB, CPU and Ram upgrade to AM5 but it looks like my 7700K lives on for a couple years longer.

[@techyescity]

The 7700k still kicks hard, especially for 1440p with that 4070.

[@leroyrs]

IMO it's about the price and RT. If Raytracing with most fps is very important for you NVIDIA cards will be the better option. I'm not a big fan of RT - how it actually has been used in games so far. That's the reason I bought a combo AMD 7800X3D and RX7900 XTX that gives me great fps in 1440p and 4k.

[@vincekara9446]

The 7900XTX is a beast of a card. Enjoy!

[@H4GRlD]

I wouldn't buy a new 12GB card now, unless I'm certain it's going to be used in 1080P. Otherwise I wouldn't buy a new card before the Super series is released. Naturally if you are ok with buying another card within 1-2 years of time you can't go wrong with either of them, up to your personal preference, use cases. I'm rocking with a used 3090 probably until it dies, so I can have the benefit of Nvidia tech and sw support with a good amount of VRAM. I don't care about DLSS FG, that's the only drawback of this card except for power consumption which I equally don't care much about. In the current market if I was to buy another GPU I would probably buy a used 3090 again.

[@GodOfWar05100]

7800 xt is the same or better than a 3090 in 1440p and slightly gets overperformed by 3090 in 4k. If you don't plan on playing in 4k there's literally no point in buying a 4 year old used card that god knows how it was used.

[@H4GRlD]

@@GodOfWar05100 Yeah for raster / gaming the Radeon card makes more sense. If you care about support in other areas, AMD suddenly loses its edge.

[@H4GRlD]

@@GodOfWar05100 I agree that we are starting to see better value now and yeah the 7800XT is one of them. I do believe that DLSS is better than FSR (as an upscaler) but if you are not tied to Nvidia (for some kind of non gaming use case) you should consider AMD as an option. For my perspective I like to play around with Stable Diffusion, so I value the advantage Nvidia has in this field and I wouldn't go below 24GB VRAM either. For me the 3090 is a best in slot card (aside from the 4090 lol), so considering price and performance. This is until AMD has better support here, if this was the case now I would probably buy a 7900XTX over it. I would at least consider it for sure.

[@seanryu5214]

i have the power hellhound 7800 xt and its it really nice. the fans dont kick in until the gpu hits 60 degrees. under gaming load after 2 hours the gpu didnt go over 65 degrees. gpu hotspot didnt go over 70 degrees. total board power according adrelanin is 305 w.

[@JJ-xc8ms]

Every card does that not just hellhound specifically

[@seanryu5214]

@@JJ-xc8ms not my friends 4080 😅

[@Darkslide2AR-FE]

my biggest question: Is the 7800 XT worth the 50-75 dollars higher price over the 4070? Yes in Rasterization the 7800 XT is fairly good but only certain titles it truly performs better than the 4070 and it does have 16gb. I'd like to see the 7800 XT come down about 50 dollars and I'd pick it up but for the time being I'd rather get the 4070 over it.

[@l.i.archer5379]

Thanks for making this video. I bought two SFF RTX 4070s (one's made by ASUS and the other one's made by Zotac - both dual fan and runs very cool) when they first came out for a couple of builds, and looking at the numbers, I'll take it! Drawing much less power for the RTX 4070, I think it's a real winner!

[@lanelesic]

Buyers of 4070 12GB and 4070ti 12GB are similar types of cuckolds that bought the 3070 8GB and 3070ti 8GB in the last generation. Especially since PS5 pro and PS6 specs are leaked. and about just lowering the settings. The setting you will most likely be lowering are textures. And those will always be the most graphically impactful settings, while they will have no performance impact on gpus with 16GB of vram. But you will just buy another gpu in 2025. or 2026. when 12GB is not even close to enough for high textures? Great for you, spend $500 or $600 every 2 years. Instead of spending $500 every 4 years.

[@DAN007thefoxx1]

I considered these cards in the future. I mostly game but also do SOME content creation. I have an RTX 4060Ti w/ 8G VRAM. I like DLSS frame generation when its supported and power consumption is kind of important to me. But I really wanted the 16G VRAM. Im not a big fan of Nvidia GeForce Experience for recording gameplay. But AMD STILL doesn't support frame generation. I considered the 7600 XT but it performs slightly worse natively and has no real frame gen. Admittedly I turn ray tracing off in most games. I play at 1080P with an AMD Ryzen 5 5600X CPU. What is the better buy?

[@d.ink3d]

my Asus TUF 7800xt White is a beast, running it undervolted @1040mv and it clocks up to 2720mhz without messing with the clocks, UV was enough. Also stays incredible cool like in the low 50s and hotspot high 60s.

[@kingofstrike1234]

hasn't watched full yet, do you use the latest bios for this, I'm interested on the bios update about power consumption

[@techyescity]

lastest vbios? I wasn't aware of any vbios updates for the cards.

[@itpugil]

I just got my 7800XT 4 days ago. And I bought it from a friend by how much? 89 bucks, yes, 89! :D Wasn't planning on replacing my RX 470 anytime soon, practically just waiting for it to give in before upgrading. He was suppose to give it to his brother since he has a 7900XT, then decided to give his old RTX 3090 to him to match his All-Evangelion theme build.

[@KimBoKastekniv47]

I switched to the 7800 XT after using Nvidia for 20 years, feels good not even thinking about VRAM when playing games.

[@pfv3462]

If I look at the power consumption, but especially the temperature difference that the RTX4070 card is cooler than the RX 7800 XT then I also go for the RTX4070! I had never heard about the hotspot on the processor until I came across it everywhere on KZbin! Since I don't want to open the card myself during the warranty period to replace the thermal paste, I'm going for the cooler running graphics card.

[@BREEZYM6015]

I have an i7 8700k. Would either of those GPU's be worth pairing with it?

[@fernandom5070]

yep

[@Willbme4EVA]

I would love to grab a AMD ASRock card if they were on the shelf. Here in japan they are not walk in and buy the same day where I am. Has a free Copy of Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora With Radeon 7700 or above.

[@AeiKei]

I'm surprised you didn't take the 6800 XT into consideration as it can be found on sale to get rid of it

[@Gthemaniac]

I just do basic gaming just turn it on and go do not try tweaking a lot and I don't see enough difference in either card to nit pick to much . So The only thing I could see is if you like nividia or amd better. Whatever is cheaper at the time maybe, To be honest I have 2 gaming pcs 4070 in one and 7800xt in the other they both run great

[@seanryu5214]

I wonder if paired with an Amd cpu of the same caliber and with Sam on if you could get better performance

[@arnizzleforshizzle9851]

When you buy AMD, you get their new enhancemant technologies even for old gpus. I can use Frame Generation with my RX5700xt. Thats incredible. Nvidia doesnt do this for the 30 series. AMD delivers far better price-performance ratio. As customers we should not pay nvidia for their pricing and policies. AMD is way closer to the customers.

[@raivons]

they both are greedy comapnies

[@willy7968]

Nvidia - Apple AMD - Samsung One is cheaper but less attractive resale value

[@stratuvarious8547]

Vram does matter to an extent, but at 1440p, 12GB should be enough until the next generation of console titles start to release.

[@1vaultdweller]

Which means 7800xt will have a longer life span when the next generation of console titles start to release

[@1vaultdweller]

I bought the 7800xt as Im a gamer not a renderer or miner. Figured Nvidia was using DLSS as an excuse to paying them more to get less Vram and raw performence. It should be raw power>features not the other way around. That 12gb Ram will result as the shorter life span.

[@itachione2483]

And if you want, you can use fsr too...

[@benfoster93]

There isn't much price difference between the 2 in the UK.

[@Dodger_Dawg_]

Geez they must really raise the prices on you guys in the UK.... Here in the US a 4070 costs 100$ or more than the 7800xt.

[@peter9011]

im having a hard time deciding because of this lol

[@NamTran-xc2ip]

​@@peter9011If you play at 1440p, the 4070 is the better buy

[@michaelthompson9798]

I have a HTPC setup (PS2 slim sized pc) with a 5800x3D and Zotac (dual fan) RTX4070 O/c 💪🥰compact model and I can game multiplayer titles at 1080p/1440p no problem or single player title at 4k on my OLED 🤩and my pc remains fairly quiet. My GPU was an upgrade to my ITX RTX3060 model and the difference in gaming was amazing while the system power draw remained the same from RTX3060 to RTX4070.😱🤯 The Nvidia naming scheme aside and bad GPU pricing (I got my RTX4070 on an open box (ex-display model) deal for ~$494USD here in Australia 🇦🇺 plus taxes, with a free game code and free express shipping so I’m stoked with the price I paid and it performance as well as low power draw!😉😇👍

[@archgirl]

I think you may be misremembering just how small the PS2 slim was. 😁 Ain’t no way you’ve built a PC with an adequate cooler and a 4070 into a machine _that_ small. Just not physically possible. Sounds like a sweet little rig, though. 👌

[@ferdgerbeler8494]

8:00 ASRock polychrome sync is good??? WTH did they inject you Aussies with ????? or has it been completely overhauled since last gen? Last time i had to suffer it was on their x570m board.. (but seriously, if you display them on, signal rgb might sell some machines, lets ya do pretty crazy displays. _)

[@tonep3168]

No no no no no! Now is the worst time to buy any of these cards. Within 2 months, AMD will have to react to nGreedia’s new cards and prices. Expect AMD to lower prices, and maybe release new cards too. If you’re planning to spend out on a 4070 class card, you would be a fool to buy one right now.

[@muramusan]

The used market is legit so inflated and messed up for even broken cards they used to be so much cheaper 2months ago 😢

[@DEM0NJEDI]

The super refreshes around the corner should keep people from buying until pricing is leaked/announced

[@dtchmapping]

Here in the Netherlands it´s litterally $25 difference so i´m gonna go with the 4070

[@BaconBits2345]

I sold my 2070 that i got out of a used pre built and took back a 4060ti and fot a 4070. It was the cheaper and more convenient open for my current PSU and i got for 450, seeing as i only paid $350 for the entire setup the 2070 was in and still use the PSU and storage, it was a steal

[@neonkapawn]

I play a lot of VR and use Substance Painter a lot. Nvidia is basically a must.

[@MP-yr3ei]

Is R5 5600 and 7800xt overkill for 1080p 165hz for next 7yrs? Is it wasting money/performance?

[@kenkoyka9]

6800 XT

[@gertjanvandermeij4265]

YES ! It rules !

[@nerdedkyle3515]

im on a rtx2060 at 1440p 165hz im so torn with these two cards lol

[@hugo49i]

Hey guys. I need some HELP. Should I get the Hellhound 7900xtx for 1000€ or the Sapphire Nitro 7900xtx for 1200€? Should I put that 200€ in something else or is it worth it? I've seen a lot of posts saying that the Hellhound has a lot of coil whine

[@James-sn5mg]

I heard that for AMD, Sapphire Nitro and Red Devil are the best. Hellbound is like the lower-tier model

[@ColdToiletSeats]

Nvidia buyer most of my life .. but I'll take more RAM, FPS, and cheaper all day long.

[@alertol]

Wrote this one already in comments about 6 gpus, 1080 (non TI) is a bit faster than 1070TI (about 10%) but where I live everyone ask twice the price, not a good option.

[@fantagaming2190]

I surrendered my 4070 and got the 7800xt, for some reason nvidia DLSS is not for me, its soft blurry environment in gaming. In 1440 it runs perfectly both cards but I find more softer on NVIDIA, and AMD, more power on rasterization/ pure native resolution, and way more powerful in Da vinci resolve

[@hueman69420]

Dlss is way better than fsr, you can only see the difference when the game is running on your own moniter youtube compression just makes them comparison videos useless

[@jochenrudiger]

I really like AMD, but Ray Reconstruction is some special sauce, which alone makes NV more interesting. And because I live in Germany with absolutely insane energy bills, the 4070 is the better choice. But the lack of VRAM is a disadvantage.

[@pkerry12]

If u use davinci resolve the 7800 xt is the best option because its free to use AV1 if u have a 4070 u have to pay to use AV1

[@ardithconley2628]

I have a RX7900XT that replaced my RTX 3070 to which I think the RTX 3070 did better with the games I play. Best thing is upgrade your monitor before you upgrade your GPU. Due to if you cap yourself with a 60FPS with a 60 -75 HZ monitor and you will never get 4K on a 1440P monitor. That cuts down most of your need for a higher video card. I got a better monitor but have not been moved to install it. I will due to I paid for it. May be then I will see a upgrade other than the AMD software is better than the NVIDIA.

[@Dodger_Dawg_]

I think you just helped me map out my entire build.... I was having trouble picking out a motherboard and I had no idea DDR5 7600 even existed, can I ask which brand/model ram you used?... Is the 1000w psu necessary or was it something you had already in a build and decided to go ahead and use it? I was gonna go 14th series 14700k but I have no problem dropping it to a 13900k at all....

[@yogesh00parihar]

I want to do game development in Unity3d which gpu should I get 4070 or 7800xt?

[@rohanstormbanks7601]

3d modelling and stuff is Nvidia's territory...

[@TheGameBench]

The other advantage to going AMD is if you want to built a steam box. I have a couch gaming PC with a 3070 and I want to switch from Windows to Steam OS (Chimera), but NVIDIA just doesn't give a crap about Linux, so you really have to go with AMD if you want to do this. I might upgrade to the 7800 XT or 7900 XT. Yeah, that's a pretty niche use case, but I thought was worth mentioning. It'd be nice if NVIDIA would actually make some half decent drivers for Linux... but that's probably even less likely to happen now.

[@christophervanzetta]

NVIDIA works great with Linux. AMD not so much

[@TheGameBench]

​@@christophervanzettaThat's not the experience people trying to build Steam boxes have had. And while NVIDIAs Linux support has improved over the years, it's not good. You've got things backwards. A quick Google search confirms that. I'm not saying you can't use NVIDIA in Linux, just that AMD is a much better choice if you're trying to build a Steam machine.

[@Think563]

To be honest i will go rtx because now i have a problem with amd drivers alot of time drop fps and crashes and i try everything 4 months so i want stability not every 2 hours i must restart my pc and search for old drivers maybe better ..if u looked it up on the internet. It's a 7800xt issue.

[@xxxmasenxxx5564]

If your building an itx system right now the 4070 is the best card to get due to the low power draw a 2 slot design.

[@gertjanvandermeij4265]

ANY Nvidia card is just nothing more, than complete, and utter, CRAP !!!

[@SHUNTheGamer]

Any stable undervolt settings for 7800xt below 1000mv for gaming?

[@mrmrmrcaf7801]

You people don't understand how expensive electricity is in some areas, at least for me in Denmark the difference between 4070 and 7800xt is 150€ per year in electricity consumption. 100w difference with similar performance is huge....during the 3 years period that I keep a card, the difference in consumption makes the card free.

[@EDIPCGarage]

Love the daily content! Keep it up.

[@AdamsWorlds]

The 4070 should have been 16gb, i keep moaning but CUDA is way ahead for AI right now and i do a little bit of that and gaming (just for fun, not for cash so not worth spending huge on). AMD are so far behind right now Nvidia is the only real option worth entertaining. I would snap up a 16gb 4070 without questioning it at current price point. But instead im stuck waiting around for a decent card with the new DLSS to come out and 16gb VRAM capable of a little 4k gaming and the AI workloads i need (12gb is to little 16gb is sweet spot). I could get a 4060 16gb but then i loose the gaming performance, i could get a 4070 12gb but then i cant do some of the AI stuff.. I could ofc spend £200+ more on the new released 4070 TI SUPER 16gb when its out but thats way to much. Ill probs just sit out this generation and use online services for my AI can rent a 4090 online for an hour for under a £1. AMD with its poor drivers, harder to resell, way higher power consumption, lack of features and way worse AI and RT is a no go.

[@SirWolf2018]

What do you mean poor drivers? They have improved a lot lately.

[@MrAnony07]

@@SirWolf2018 Straight up AMD has just as many issues with there drivers as NVidia does the only constant issue that keeps poping up is there built in fps counter doesn't work in some game's this whole AMD bad driver meme is about 5years out of date at this point right now if AMD has bad driver then so does NVidia because there basically neck & neck at most AMD takes a couple more weeks to launch drivers which doesn't matter much because most people don't keep there drivers up to date anyways most people update when they notice problems.

[@mrmrmrcaf7801]

I got the Asus dual 4070 because it's cooler, consumes less power and I don't have to change the PSU and chassis.

[@solocamo3654]

The extra vram and less cpu overhead with AMD drivers make the answer obvious if you keep it more than a year or two... a 100w difference will never make up having to replace your card earlier. I also can't justify turning down settings due to a lack of vram, not a lack of power to run said settings. Textures are the biggest visual thing you notice.

[@syncmonism]

I don't think the 4070 is a bad product either, if the price is within less than 40 USD for equal quality models. Also, the better power efficiency definitely should be considered a significant advantage in some regions. Electricity prices are insanely high in some countries/ regions. Most parts of North America have very, very low electricity prices compared to almost all of Europe, and some other regions (such as Japan). Reducing the power consumption by even 50 watts under average gaming load is going to make a big difference over the course of 2-4 years in these places.

[@d4nith3]

Just waiting for the RTX 4070TI SUPER 16GB

[@techyescity]

If rumors are true about pricing and specs, then that will definitely be the shake up card on the high end.

[@pdmerritt]

@@techyescity i went AMD this time but I agree. this will be the upper level card to get....hands down.

[@haukionkannel]

Depends on the price… if 4070ti super cost $900… not so atractive any more…

[@pdmerritt]

@@haukionkannel even at 900 it wouldn't be terrible... It would still be close to 4080 performance for approx 300 less. So yeah, the price wouldn't be compelling but it also wouldn't be out of the question either.

[@LostInGreed]

Going from only Nvidia user to ordering my first AMD card today and choose ASRock 7800XT Steel Legend white on my white themed rig. (Going to play 1440p) DLSS didn’t worry me as it’s only works on supported games ( And I never use it) and neither did I use RTX features on my 3070ti. Main reason is also the pricing in my country: 7800XT goes for 600$ or more. RTX 4070ti cheaper model costs 950$ here. Basically sold my 3070ti secondhand and got money enough for the 7800XT without spending additional money and still got some left. 🎉

[@Wobbothe3rd]

You just actually DOWNGRADED your PC for RT, lol.

[@LostInGreed]

@@Wobbothe3rd how is it downgrade when planning on playing 1440p? The RX 7800 XT is way more capable than the last-gen RTX 3070 Ti?? Planning on playing 1440P? RTX 3070TI only has 8GB VRAM while 7800xt has 16GB VRAM As said never used any DLSS nor raytracing on my games lmao, doesn’t matter to me. Cyberpunk in 4K: 7800XT: 67FPS AVG 3070TI: 37FPS AVG RDR2: 7800XT: 87FPS AVG. 3070TI: 45FPS AVG.

[@MAADMAAC]

NONE ARE TOO EXPENSIVE NO ONE SHOULD BUY AND THE PRICES WILL FALL!

[@Wyn3e]

7800 xt actually is priced very good well in the UK at least

[@MAADMAAC]

@@Wyn3e if you have 4 5 k salary per month, of course it is not expensive

[@Wyn3e]

@@MAADMAAC it's like £500 in the UK and sales go on making it below £500

[@rodhester2166]

great comparison.. thanks..