RTX 5070, 5070 Ti Performance- What should we expect? (+5060/ti release date/specs leak)

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[@rangersmith4652]

What to expect from the 5070 and 5070Ti? Short answer: not much. But their performance won't matter because there won't be any to buy.

[@FO0TMinecraftPVP]

Stop complaining and just buy the 5090...

[@Shadowclaw25]

@@FO0TMinecraftPVP the funny thing is 5090 = alot louder then 4090, even more power hungry even in low usage. so if you would gift me a card for free i would choose the 4090 over the 5090. Which is crazy.

[@Legiey]

​@@FO0TMinecraftPVPgood luck trying to get one 🤡

[@B_Machine]

Not necessarily. They're not scared to lose customers at the high end, so they can afford a paper launch at low risk of losing market share. I don't think they'll have the same approach with mid range to low end

[@emma6648]

It’s better than a 4070 doe

[@LamGorYun]

they stop production of 40 series cards for months to paper launch the same cards with different names. what have they been doing the past couple months

[@Shadowclaw25]

AIAIAIAIAI AIAIAIAIv AI AI AI AI have u heard of AI ? :D

[@Edu-SanDevIstan]

IA, but with the deepseek the lose much money, so, expect a 5080 super, 5070 ti super duper, etc

[@biomagic8959]

@@LamGorYun all their tsmc wafer allocation is going towards ai datacenter cards

[@soulei1990]

Milking the gamers who re willing to throw their money away for overpriced cards.

[@Menky90]

Richest company in the world I guess they were doing cocaine and hookers

[@qb3540]

"What should we expect?" Disappointment

[@fx-studio]

Well it would be nice to buy a graphics card without feeling like I just got bent over and done by Mr Black Jacket.

[@sliceofnothing]

These thumbnails making me worry Dan won't get review samples next time lol Really appreciate this honesty!

[@parlor3115]

At least he's not opening his mouth like a manatee

[@demio22]

He is one of the few reviewers, that has logically coherent thought structures. Oddly satisfying instead of the vast numbers of oddly annoying ADHD youtubers. Saying, he has enough idiosyncrasy credit for this.

[@George-um2vc]

Everyone is flaming Nvidia including the top dogs like Gamers Nexus and Hardware unboxed haha it’s glorious

[@trembledust6819]

if sites like Hardware Unboxed and Gamersnexus get Nvidia gpu samples, I don't see Dan not getting a sample.

[@Kneel2ThaCrown]

Vex still got review samples after torching Nvidia, so I wouldn't be too worried.

[@vp7219]

5090 = 5090 5080 = 5070 5070 TI = 5060 TI 5070 = 5060 5060 TI = 5050 TI 5060 = 5050

[@TheTwoTwoForReal]

This is pretty much how it's gonna be, and it's gonna suck for the people buying anything below a 5070 Ti.

[@justmatt2655]

Nah it's more like 1 step down rather than 2

[@KnightofAges]

Well, in 2020 we saw that people were willing to pay 1100 to scalpers for a 3070, so that's when Nvidia understood that 70 class cards can be sold for a grand...

[@ll5169]

5090 = 5080 TI

[@higanami_yt]

The 5080 Ti, when it comes out, will be what the regular 5080 should be

[@askalds]

Im just sick of Nvidia's BS at this point, im actually more interested on how the 9070 XT will perform. We'll see in March.

[@Zombie101]

Same.

[@100500daniel]

Like a 7900 GRE+OC lol

[@groenevinger3893]

not better to any nvidia card in the same price range, at least with dlss4

[@michaelg8841]

@@groenevinger38939070xt is gonna have similar raster to the 4080s. i’d take that better raster over fake frames any day, especially considering FSR4 is supposed to be a massive upgrade as well. obviously still won’t be as good as dlss4 but still good enough

[@proit8453]

DLSS 4 beats AMD's FSR in every category. DLSS 4 Balance on the new K Preset looks like native 4k to me.

[@johndelabretonne2373]

That sucks considering that in October/November 2024, you could have gotten a 4070 ti Super with either Star Wars Outlaws or Indiana Jones for $730 and saved yourself the heartache...

[@Bugsmak]

that card is an absolute animal too, THE 1440p KING

[@deaneyle3940]

Absolutely, I have 4070 ti non super and it already destroyed every game I play including the most demanding aaa games, the only thing holding it back is the 12gb at ultra texture, with the 16gb 4070 ti super would last for a while at 1440p

[@ThomasEmain]

Oh well. I waited all this time just for this... It just feels like I'm getting a 4070 ti Super Super for a bit more. Not the worst.

[@soulei1990]

to be honest everyone complained at amd about their rushed 7900 lunch were drivers weren't ready, and FSR was coming for months... now they don't follow Nvidia lunch date to get everything ready for review date and people still complain. let's wait to see the official price and performance review before we start screaming

[@gamingfromjohnwayne]

That's one I got lol

[@genericsidecharacter8915]

Can’t wait for the 5060 to have the exact same performance and vram as the 3060 Edit: Actually, it probably will have less then that

[@TheGrimiest]

It’s so funny/sad that this might be true. Just crazy how the 3060 beat out the 4060 at certain things

[@Bearney7]

3060 12GB 💪🤣

[@maralieus81]

​@@Bearney7with DLSS 4 and 12 gb VRAM it is probably a better card now than the 4060, maybe even the 5060 too if it stays at 8gb. What a joke. Nvidia losing all credibility as soon as they got huge. What a shocker!! /s

[@dgillies5420]

Oh but the image imagination (based on AI) will make it behave like a 24GB card!

[@genericsidecharacter8915]

@@dgillies5420 oh that’s so trueee. 6090 performance for only $499!!!

[@swianr]

People who bought 4070super and 4070ti super made the best gaming investment for the next 2 to 3 years

[@be0wulfmarshallz]

And the 5070 Super and 5070 ti SUPER may also be getting a good deal too according to the relative price and performance. I think the bigger picture is that GPUs arent going to get that much better without new silicon and AMD is struggling because of that. Which is why this gen GPUs are not big upgrades outside of the 5090.

[@1SaG]

That's what I'm thinking ... although I could do with a bit more GPU-power for VR-gaming. But at 1440p on a monitor, my 4070 Super is more than up to the task. I might take another look at 50xx once the 5070 Ti comes out, but I don't have high hopes for that one. EDIT: Seems other people are of the same opinion. To get some level of feel for current 2nd-hand-prices, I put two random 4070 Supers on my ebay watchlist. First two I could find that looked like a legit auction and by coincidence both are (near) MSRP-models (an Inno3D X3 and an Asus Dual). With 5 days still to go - and bids on both of them - one is currently sitting at EUR 500 and the other at 570.

[@agent-j1451]

ouch, just sold my 4070super🥲

[@Oli-ola-ekel]

Didnt watch the whole video as was sleepy. Did he say 4070 super > 5070?

[@lachlanB323]

Just a quick correction: The 4090 was 5nm not 4nm. It is the TSMC 4n process which is 5nm not to be confused with n4 which is 4nm. Dumb naming and I totally understand why you thought 4000 series was 4nm instead of 5nm.

[@jannegrey]

Yes - sort of. It's a "half-node" or even "quarter-node". AFAIK Both N4 (TSMC) and 4N (NVIDA made by TSMC) are variations of TSMC N5 node. They are just optimized a bit differently. Both Lovelace and Blackwell use 4N node. I would be shocked if there weren't some optimizations done in last... 2+ years, but they would be more about yield and maybe 1-2% in performance if NVIDIA is lucky. My personal belief - looking at 5090 which has very big die is that it is optimized for yield and area. Though to be reasonably certain I would need very high resolution images of both (there are such for 4090 and there are initial dies hots for 5090, but the latter ones don't have resolution good enough to make it reasonably certain that difference in architecture of certain structures is due to node optimization rather than architectural changes). Again - give how huge 5090 die is, I think they stuck with this node both for cost, but also because now this process has very, very high-yields. Which gives them much more serviceable 5090 dies (they are approx. 11% disabled, I think?). This is reasonable for 5090, but it makes everything below suffer (especially since 5080 die is much, much smaller and therefore 5080 is only slightly better than 4080 Super). But it would look weird if 5080 was on N3, while flagship stayed at 4N. Though they could have made some kind of 320 or 384 bit die that wouldn't be 50% of 5090.

[@jacobibbetson2118]

Don't forget Nvidia said there would be a 30% performance increase for far cry 6, which the original 5080 graph showed. It was completely false and silently removed. They could easily do this for the 70 series graph before launch.

[@Armendicus]

yeah but if we skip this gen it'll be fine.

[@masteryuda7444]

As a non-native english speaker, i have to say you are very clear while you speak and it’s very pleasant. Thanks for the video.

[@GoonyGooGooLoonyCuckoo]

I grabbed a 4070 Ti Super about a month ago with the expectation that Nvidia and tariffs would make this new generation a wash. I'm happy to see that I made the right decision! The 4070 is already lightyears ahead of my old 1080

[@ppeez]

Same but with a 4090. 4 years warranty, 2 mandated by law even if i open it up and remove warranty stickers, its seems i kind of won the silicon lottery too after some undervolting and overclocking. All for under msrp after taxes.

[@jeremyf1901]

Jensen is such a liar.

[@trembledust6819]

I wouldn't say liar. More so out of touch and his marketing team tends to inflate data which is not uncommon. Hence why review sites exist to separate the BS from the truth.

[@johngordon9426]

Never trust a crocodile.

[@HdhdhDgdghd-x3r]

Out of touch with reality?​@@trembledust6819

[@thesilentassassin1167]

@@trembledust6819 he’s a liar

[@DarthRayvonGaming]

Jensen cares about ONE thing; Leather jackets

[@ineedyoutostop]

Especially if the 5070ti has the same overclocking headroom that the 5080 seems to have, then it'll probably make the most sense. I can't see the performance boost on the 5080 being worth paying that much more for, especially when it has the same amount of vram.

[@Zombie101]

9070xt is the one chance AMD has to save us all Please make it count AMD

[@emilgustavsson7310]

Unfortunately the odds are better that the 5070 beats the 4090 in raster performance, than AMD somehow not totally botching everything again. They will fail spectacularly again. It is a universal constant at this point. 😖

[@samgragas8467]

They need a miracle to get close to DLSS 4.

[@darthpaulx]

Not if they price it 600 - 650. Has to be 500 or less. But we have to see the performance first also. Since Nvidia failed hard.

[@montyvr6772]

People have been hoping for high end competition from AMD for over a decade. The best we can realistically hope for is 5080 performance and that it will adjust Nvidia pricing.

[@Zombie101]

@@montyvr6772 yeah at this point we know it won't compete with the 5090 but if AMD can get close to 4080 with decent RT capability at a good price point, AMD would put a serious dent in Nvidias market share and perhaps for once might even regain it and force Nvidia to drop their prices, which will be a spectacular sight indeed

[@ry4bz203]

Thank you daniel owen for mentioning that income and inflation are not automatically connected. I'm so sick of hearing people say well there has been this much inflation so you can just write off that much of the price increase.

[@FamiliarAnomaly]

That's not the elephant in the room = it's that China has taken control of the rare metals supply chain and is starving the western companies of resources which is effected the chip supply chain - the western tech companies don't talk about this cause it could shake investor confidence badly.... BUT ITS HAPPENING

[@samgragas8467]

The bottom 90% of the US have 30% higher wages than in 1979 inflation-adjusted.

[@ry4bz203]

@samgragas8467 If social media is good for anything, it shows us who the boot lickers and company men are among us. Be happy your wages went up 30% over 45 years while prices went up 330% over that same time, right?

[@ry4bz203]

The US economy tripled in size over those years, did working class wages triple? Corporate profits sky rocketed while household debt also sky rocketed and the middle class shrunk. But be happy that you were able to scoop up some crumbs that fell off of Elon musk's ass.

[@samgragas8467]

@@ry4bz203 I mean inflation-adjusted and yes, it's bad. It's actually 44% with the newest 2023 data, tariffs and Wall Street in the White House won't help probably though.

[@johns70]

It is the power Daniel. 220->250W gives the rest of the uplift. They are basically taking the 4070, adding enough cores att watts to OC it up to parity with 4070S, and rebrand it 5070.

[@stangamer1151]

Higher power limit is almost useless in case of 5080. It consumes just 10W more than 4080S on averare, thus it never reaches it's 360W power limit in games. Same thing will be with 5070. It has just 4% more cores than 4070, so it does not need +50W more power. I bet it will be consuming 220W on average in games. 4070 Super has 1000 more shaders, that is why it sometimes reaches it's 220W limit and actually needs 230-235W.

[@kayjaypug]

The problem with basing generational uplift on price to performance is that only works if the MSRP sticks to what's been stated. If only a limited number of MSRP cards are ever available and all that is left is AIB cards at jacked up prices, then the value proposition get's thrown out of the window.

[@LeeMc007]

Completely agree with you, price to performance has to be calculated at what the cards are REALLY sold at, the 5070 for instance, as an example do you really think an Asus TUF gaming 5070 will be less than the £580 I paid for my TUF Gaming 4070 Super last year when the FE MSRP is £550, I highly doubt that and seemingly with little to no performance difference. The whole 50 series is a sham, I wanted to get a 5080(give my 4070s to my son) but they're going to be £1299 (when they are actually in stock), that's over double the price of the 4070s for not even remotely close to double the performance.

[@johndelabretonne2373]

Daniel, I was wondering the same thing about the 4070 vs 5070 uplift; I didn't realize that it was getting an L2 increase... I wonder if the reason for the poor generational uplift is that the 5080 didn't really have an increase in L2 cache; although the 5090 did have a 33% increase in L2 Cache, and it exhibited the same -15% regression in performance vs what the napkin math of the hardware specs should have provided. Maybe the increase of the cache from 72 to 96 wasn't a factor on the 5090 for gaming; maybe 72 was already enough to max out any benefit. I bet if any ti or Super versions of the 4080 ever get released (at this point, it's pretty obvious they will need to) with 24GB VRAM, they will probably have at least 72 MB L2 Cache instead of 64.

[@appleonsauce2035]

the 5070 and 5070ti is literally just the 5060 and 5060ti with a different name.

[@FO0TMinecraftPVP]

Then just get the 5090 and stop complaining

[@livamyyo]

@@FO0TMinecraftPVP This guy is Nvidia's defense force, I see his dumb comments everywhere

[@HeavenWreckingMonke]

Why not just buy a Ferrari instead?

[@ashiswrong]

Don't forget the price difference

[@zdspider6778]

@@FO0TMinecraftPVP "If you're homeless, just buy a house!" Duh!

[@flatfish-d9o]

Another great video! Only the history of x60 left to cover, I look forward to that and perhaps after all the benchmarking is done - a final look back over at where 5000 gen stands in terms of comparative historical generational GPU price:perf improvement. Thanks once again Daniel 👍

[@ZackSNetwork]

Remember the 4090 is memory bandwidth bottlenecked. Which is why it benefits more from a VRAM OC than a core overclock. Imagine if the 4090 had GDDR7 memory. It would probably be only %15 slower than the 5090 on average.

[@derekbrackett1622]

Agreed !

[@stangamer1151]

Do not forget that 5090 also has 24MB more L2 cache. It also helps this card to perform better at 4K. I do not really think 4090 was significantly bottlenecked by it's bandwidth. Maybe in some games at native 4K/Ultra RT it is. But in majority of gaming scenarios 1TB/s is plenty, especially when using DLSS SR, which drasticly decreases bandwidth demands.

[@ppeez]

Im running an undervolte and oc, +1248 on mem but ill see how i can push it further, maybe at 0.975v. But the perf gains were not huge in non gaming benchmarks for memory only

[@TanGoku-22]

This RTX 5070, RTX 5070 Ti and RTX 5090 still gets smoked by the Ryzen 4070 Gigachad Edition

[@Tan-wc7mh]

Comparing the Ryzen 4070 to any of these overpriced paperweights is insulting to the Ryzen 4070 itself

[@FO0TMinecraftPVP]

amd is for POOR people 😂

[@m961m]

Suck

[@TanGoku-22]

@@FO0TMinecraftPVP says the guy who can't afford an AMD Threadripper 🫵😂

[@Big_Yin]

​@FO0TMinecraftPVP mate you play minecraft, a game for kids that runs on a potato 🔔🔚

[@marcelosoares7148]

Nvidia should've used the 3GB GDDR7 modules for the 5080 but who knows, maybe they're saving such thing for a possible 5080 Ti.

[@haukikannel]

Most likely 5080 super because 5080 allready use allmost full die… All 3gb goes to laptops in the beginning. So 5080 super 24gb next year… Maybe msrp $1400 because they ncrease vram to 4090 level…

[@BonusCrook]

The 5080 would've been received really well at $700 with 24GB of vram

[@Kules3]

they saving for 6000 series.

[@Legiey]

If dlss and frame gen was compatible in every game I wouldn't mind it as much, but the new frame gen is available in like 80 games lol

[@TheTwoTwoForReal]

You also have to remember frame gen is terrible in multiplayer FPS games or MMOs, and should only be used if you already have 60+ fps in single player games.

[@kkf12715]

Get LSFG to have frame gen on any game!

[@Legiey]

@kkf12715 I have, I don't like it

[@kkf12715]

@@LegieyThen I think nvidia's frame gen won't impress you that much as well

[@Legiey]

@kkf12715 I like it on cyberpunk and spiderman

[@n64slayer]

Everyone that couldn't buy a 5080 bought a 7900xtx so and since the 4070 ti supers are out of stock all the time it's hikes the price of them and the 7900xt. Prices are skyrocketing because of Nvidia, love to see it 😊

[@AcesHigh19840417]

Thanks Daniel, thumbnail to the video is spot on lol

[@SeniorRobato]

I kind of feel somewhat good about purchasing my 4070 Super, maybe towards the end of December. Legitimately thinking about purchasing the 5070 but I would have waited too long just for a minimal performance gain

[@mybaIIz]

You would be waiting even longer because they'll release with less stock worldwide than there are surnames in an Alabama wedding.

[@stangamer1151]

4070 Super has more shaders than 5070. It will remain a better 1080p/1440p GPU. At 4K though 5070 can get a noticeable boost, thanks to 33% higher bandwidth.

[@lars6261]

I had the EXACT same thought process, 4070 super is gonna be very close in performance to the 5070 imo. Early leaks a couple months ago indicated it might not even beat the super, which would be absolutely awful generational uplift if so (gap between 4070 and the super is like 10-20%)

[@radioman7777]

I recall Gamers Nexus talking about the 5000 series overall lower clock speed compared to their 4000 series counterparts, they seem to suggest that clock speeds on different GPU architecture tends to not be solid evidence of lower performance as it generally hasn't in the past.

[@anthonyjohnson8133]

The 5080 is not at all faster than the 4090 in raster performance. In fact it is indeed the ONLY 80 series card in Nvidia history to be slower than the previous flagship offering

[@laszlozsurka8991]

True. Even if you factor in the TITAN GPUs which was the true flagship GPUs before the 90 class, the next gen 80 class was still faster or the same performance. RTX 2080 = TITAN XP (Pascal) RTX 3080 = 12% > TITAN RTX (Turing) RTX 4080 = 12% > RTX 3090 Ti So yeah, the 5080 is in a bad spot.

[@EhNothing]

Here's hoping for decent pricing on the 9070 XT...and availability. The extra time from the originally planned January launch should help supply be better at launch, so hopefully.

[@blvk3]

any win more features are basically a non-feature when it comes to mid/low range cards, only top cards can truly benefit from that. Do they really need those features though

[@siriansight]

Nailed it. No, a 5090 doesnt need multi frame gen Stupid design

[@blvk3]

@@siriansight it's not the cards design per say. It's a piece of software that can work on the card which they use as selling point. Exploiting the dumb and rich

[@kathrynck]

The 5070 Ti for $749 is the only relatively compelling card to me. $50 cheaper and (maybe) 10% uplift over the Ti Super? It's not "oh wow!" or anything, but it looks decent on price/performance, and also on the "right amount" of performance for very strong 1440p use with 16gb of vram. Only if they're actually available at $749 though. And definitely not before seeing what the 9070 XT can do and it's price.

[@Armendicus]

9070xt will be neck n neck but AMD biffed the pricing and no they gotta scramble to lower the price.

[@parzivallampruge2549]

OC models are likely to be closer to $850 and still likely to get scalped.

[@Andres92246]

Yeah well, you could have gotten that a year ago, 10% when you're talking about 1440p 120 fps, which what the 4070ti super already offers means nothing. it's basically the same GPU better pricing xD

[@kathrynck]

@ Well, it 10% gains are 10% gains. And 7% price drop (probably more like 10% with inflation) is nice too. 10% more for 10% less? That's really the sort of progression GPU's in general _"should"_ be making. Sure bigger gains are nice, but I think the market needs more 10/10 splits than 20% gains & price hikes. Hopefully AMD prices aggressively though. They never seem to ...but it could happen, theoretically.

[@kathrynck]

@@Armendicus Well, even if they told us the prices right now, it wouldn't mean much until we see the performance as well. Like a 20 game average, rather than a supposed leak on a benchmark. Gotta know both to know if it's gonna be great or not.

[@dr.sivavignesh664]

In a weird way these new cards not getting more powerful is a good thing. Why ? Because devs need to be forced to optimise their games. Even ports releasing a year later like sm2 perform worse than unofficial free ports made by an unknown person.

[@GDRobbye]

Hello, Daniel! Nvidia seems to have added frame generation at the driver level, just like AMD. Its called Smooth Motion Frames and seems to only be available on the 5000 series (though support for the 4000 series has been promised), yet barely anyone seems to be covering it. Maybe you're willing to look at it, since you also looked at AMD's implementation.

[@GregoryShtevensh]

When a company gives you its OWN benchmark figures, you need to ask yourself one question. Are the numbers flattering or not? Because if they're not that flattering, then they're probably true.

[@BatteryBee]

You've got to wait for third party benchmarks, regardless. Even unflattering first-party benchmarks can contain misinformation, or still be cherry picked to soften flaws.

[@Javier64691]

It’s not even that, Intel claimed same performance for their Arrow Lake CPUs and were actually a regression, and now NVIDIA claims a 2x against the 4090 with the 5090 and was barely 30%, a not so flattering number may still be hiding the truth.

[@GregoryShtevensh]

I cant stand this platform anymore. I had a reply deleted for absolutely no reasonable cause. Said absolutely nothing that needed censoring. So, I just can't even have this conversation unfortunately guys

[@GregoryShtevensh]

@@Javier64691 They only ever claimed 30% in raw raster and gpu compute (not 2x), that's my point.

[@BatteryBee]

@@GregoryShtevensh I've had this happen to me before :( Unfortunately, you just have to post your comment again.

[@Allbitable]

Daniel, are you planning to revisit lower end 40-series GPU to see what they're capable of with the new DLSS 4? I, for one, would love to see what fps numbers they can push while retaining decent image quality.

[@AdjointGaming]

Maybe it is better to get a 4080s since nowadays some good ones go for 1100 euros on Amazon. No idea for outside Europe.

[@FO0TMinecraftPVP]

Just buy a 5090. Are you POOR? 😂

[@johanmelis12]

In the Netherlands some shops raised the 4080 super price by 300-400€ Because why not ? 5080 is sold out and what are they buying now because of the weak uplift ?

[@ibaseMusic]

not when you can get a custom 5080 for nvidia msrp. Why ? cuz the 4080 super costs the same but rtx 5080 can gain an additional 10% more performance with overclock, also has newer features.

[@WarrenDuan]

@@FO0TMinecraftPVP 1/10 ragebait

[@Major.Alvega]

Forget the FOMO and just wait to see what AMD and Intel bring to the table.

[@4ndr1s26]

The main problem is not just in the performance of these cards but their pricing. Offering 10-15 percent more performance for 50-70 % price increase (at least in my country) is not seems to be worth...

[@FamiliarAnomaly]

It had 50% increase in FPS in NATIVE 4k ultra cyberpunk. You need to get factual.

[@4ndr1s26]

@@FamiliarAnomaly I'm sorry if I'm missing something but in the case of RTX 5080/5070ti the actual increase is not even close to 50 %, or am I wrong? Could you clue me in?

[@ankur313]

Here is my problem with the 5070. So far looking at the 5090 and 5080 we have established that the increase in cuda cores gives us a linear performance increase. Now the 5070 has 6144 cuda cores and the 4070 Super has 7168 cores. That is 1024 cores more on the Super card. There is no way 5070 is beating the 4070 Super apart from may be some Path Tracing scenarios. The 5070 only has 4% more cores than the 4070. I think in regular game testing the 5070 is only going to be 5-6% more than the 4070.

[@Silver-h4m]

Glad I got my 4070 Super for $412. Looks like I'm not missing out on much vs the 5070. lol

[@atirta777]

The 4070 Super is *greatly* bandwith bottlenecked, so the 5070 could benefit much more from GDDR7 than the 5080 or 5090 did. This still doesn't mean that the 5070 is likely to be much if at all faster than the 4070 Super though...

[@Silver-h4m]

@ Doubt it'll translate to much performance gain over the 4070S, but we'll see soon enough.

[@Audiosan79]

@atirta777 bandwith bottlenecked??? why don't you have a look at 4070 GDDR6x vs 4070 GDDR6. 1-2% performance difference. That is within a card to card tollerance. GDDR7 on a 5070 will not give you anything that GDDR6x could not.

[@stangamer1151]

33% bandwidth that 5070 offers over 4070 Super can be useful at 4K. But at 1440p 4070 Super will remain a faster card. I expect 5070 to be 12-15% faster than 4070 at 1080p/1440p and up to 20% faster at 4K. Thus: at 1440p 5070 = 4070 Super -3%, at 4K 5070 = 4070 Super + 3%.

[@limbicnode3342]

Do review samples get passed around to different reviewers? It would be interesting to know how the same card performed in different systems , etc.

[@Thor_Asgard_]

Beware! 5070ti has no founders card and therefor will only be available highly overpriced by AIBs. Nvidia did this on purpose because otherwise it wouldve been the best Nvidia card this gen compared to the others. Including this knowledge, the 70ti will have nearly no performance to cost increase. All of Mvidias lineup is trash, end of story.

[@haukikannel]

Exactly that… They have msrp models that you don´t actually ever see in shops…

[@rover1374]

Appreciate the inflation work! So many are missing this.

[@AzithromY]

RTX 5000 should not be called a new generation. Comparing all these results to my 3080 tells me that we have at least one "ghost" generation of Nvidia GPU's

[@Endemiq2]

So now we adjust everything to inflation to make it look better. Lets adjust performance to AAA titles requirements then too. Is ability to run games per price bracket is going up or down over time?

[@Blizzalord]

Can you do an Video and compare Lossless Scaling Afmf and Nvidias new Smooth Motion?

[@razorhanny]

This so much this!

[@R3I3ELLI0N]

all the speculation in me says there will be RTX 50XX super with more memory and bandwidth lets say from 16 to 20 - 24 gb.

[@04KamilWyszynski20]

50 series cards = overclocked 40 series cards, 4090 would be same performance as 5090 if it had gddr7, OC 4080 Super = 5080, OC 4070 Ti Super = 5070 Ti etc.

[@BonusCrook]

The 5090 is definitely faster than an overclocked 4090 but I agree with everything else 100% blackwell is pretty much ada 2.0

[@DessIvanov]

You're right. 5080 has +14% fps and +12,5% of power (360watt). It's just the same technology with more power, good OC videocard, nothing really new. The same as 4070 super was a great OC videocard. but 4070 super was available for 600$, not like RTX5000 generation. The real prices of RTX5000 kill everything. By the way the new DLSS4 make old videocards much better. For example DLSS4 Performance looks like DLSS3 Quality, and it gives +15-20% fps. It give a real opportunity to plat 4K even on 4070 ti super. It was hard of DLSS3 before, cos not all games wan fine with DLSS3 Quality on 4070 ti super. ANd my 4080 super is like a beast in 4K right now. Even better than 1 year ago. DLSS4 makes sense

[@SamuelPGM]

84SMs of 5080 Blackwell gets 10%-14% behind 128SMs of the 4090 5070 TI HAS 70 SMs, hopefully it can keep up well

[@ryanspencer6778]

I think the 5070 matching the 4070 Super is optimistic. After an overclock maybe. If/when Intel brings out the B770/B780, I think it might be very competitive with the 5070, along with the 9070.

[@05DonnieB]

We need to start considering how many more fab node shrinks we can feasible do. We are at 3nm on most cutting edge, not what sure 1 or 2 could be if even possible. Probably have to look at replacing silicon with something more exotic, maybe start staking up?

[@Anima19879]

it's better to buy 4070 Ti Super instead of 5070 Ti. The RTX 5000 series is not a funny joke.

[@Silver-h4m]

Can't even find them in stock anymore. (at MSRP anyway)

[@ChemicalArts]

You'll need a time machine to get one at MSRP.

[@Anima19879]

The price in the store will be higher than the suggested 5070 Ti. RTX 4070 Ti Super is a great and proven card, a monster in 2k gaming. There is no point in overpaying for a minimal difference in performance, and it may turn out that the 4070 ti super will be more stable in games. 5000 series are only fake AI fps that support specific games and are not suitable for gaming. multiplayer mode.DLSS 4 for RTX 4000 is for many people the nail in the coffin for 5000.

[@laszlozsurka8991]

Isn't the 5070 Ti gonna release on the 20th of February? That's what I heard lately.

[@Eins3467]

Low generational uplift should be expected as well as a paper launch. What a clown generation.

[@derekbrackett1622]

Again great advice and a great summary. Love that you speak the truth and that you see all sides of the benefits of certain tech (frame gen) I don’t expect much from these cards but someone coming from a 1070 or 2070 or a 5600, 5700 would see amazing performance. Just how long will that last with less V-ram

[@Ifyoucanreadthisgooglebroke]

I'm calling it at up to 5% uplift for the 5070 and 20-30% (pending resolution, most for 4K) uplift for the 5070 Ti compared to 40 gen counterparts of the same 70/70 Ti designations. Now that we have both 90 and 80 performance per core to extrapolate off from it seems reasonable to confidently calculate. The odd bit is how the 70 Ti finally has somewhat ok vram with 16 gigs. Then in a different sense of "odd", it is also odd how they are being so generous with the 5070 Ti core count. I'd guess the answer is that they are approaching it from a stance of 5070 Ti being the new 4070 Ti S and not really the new 4070 Ti. I think it is an open question of if the 5060 could end up worse than the 4060 if they keep being so stingy with specs. That would be hilarious. I hate the GPU market.

[@_qwe_fk_1700]

Bro the bechmarks show 20% and they were accurate for the 5080 and 5090…

[@789uio6y]

​​@@_qwe_fk_1700 5080 is only 10% faster than 4080 super and 12% faster than 4080 according to techpowerup, the benchmarks weren't accurate at all!

[@HunterTracks]

With 5070 Ti, you're missing the fact that the clocks are lower than 4070 Ti, so it's probably gonna be only 15-20% faster... Which again puts it into the "4000 Super Series + 5%" category.

[@ElfinHilon10]

Yo uh... What is that jacket? I Really dig the look of that. Also, good video :)

[@tonyd7164]

math daddyz math skilz got my head spinning.

[@TheKruxed]

GPU's used to be designed to be as good as possible with competitive pricing, now its just purposeful incremental gains planned obsolescence and god awful inflation of prices but not of costs

[@theandroids]

Greed my friend greed. As these people get more greedy the more the consumer gets funked. ESPECIALLY when the consumer does not punish these practices by not buying., these companies just laugh, drink Champaign and discuss how stupid people are.

[@FamiliarAnomaly]

You might focus in on that competitive word - you are talking about a time period where ATI was competitive. They are not anymore.

[@fumo1000]

ROPs and TMUs (texture untis) also contribute to raster performance in a significant manner

[@Blutoxin]

This generation has left me pretty confused. I’m currently running a 2070(not super) and am starting to feel its age. I use a 1440p 240hz monitor, but I am looking at OLED which might get me a higher refresh rate but I will be sticking with 1440p. I can spend a bit more than I was able to as a teen and I want to buy something that will last me at least a few years. The 5090 is just too far out of my price range, I probably wouldn’t do much over $1200 if I could avoid it. (If I can get one) the 5080 seemed like a perfect upgrade, but the inventory has been abysmal and I’m not sure when I’d ever I’d be able to get one. I have two serious reservations holding me back from waiting for the 5080 to be in stock. If the reception of this card is this poor, will there be a 5080 super or ti that drops? And if so would that one have more VRAM than 16? I’ve seen that 16 is fine for right now but will that change in the next 5 years? I don’t really want to feel obsolete so quickly if I can avoid it. This has also got me considering AMD for the first time, if the rumors are true the 9070xt might be a better option. I’m mostly concerned about drivers, games favoring Nvidia, and unavoidable ray tracing which does still hold me back from buying one today. And with that line of thinking possibly a 7900xtx is a good fit?

[@Zombie101]

That's the gamble we have to take rn. Either pick up a used 7900xtx right now (if 9070xt isn't all that) otherwise it will jump in price. Or wait for 9070xt and hope for the best but then miss out on any chance of buying 7900xtx for a sensible price if 9070xt misses the mark

[@FamiliarAnomaly]

The entire launch is a con game for investors - they don't GAF if the consumer believes it or not.

[@Kyle-4g343]

I'm mostly interested in the new NVENC and NVDEC Video Engines on the 50 series. Currently running a 4070 so pretty much any of the 50 cards will be an upgrade for me, although wouldn't mind a 5080. Still, that said, it's tempting to wait for the refresh.

[@RMKry]

RTX5070Ti = 4070Ti Super OC 16GB, RTX5070 = 4070 Super OC 12GB, RTX5060Ti = 4070 OC 16/8GB, RTX5060 = 4060Ti OC 8GB ????

[@RurouTube]

I'm pretty sure that you're right that it is the extra cache that make the difference. 36MB cache is not big enough for 1440p. I also don't think 48MB is enough for 1440p but certainly much better than 36MB. Performance at 1080p might paint a difference picture since 4070 will be more competitive. Also based on the specs, I'm expecting 4070 Super to be faster than 5070 in a lot of benchmarks, possibly even faster on average (around 10% faster). And yes, 4070 Super also have 48MB L2 cache.

[@R6ex]

Just wait for the 6000-series. When my 1070 FE dies, I'm getting the 5060 Ti 16GB to play 4K DLSS Ultra performance!

[@cyzcyt]

Lol they gonna disappoint like how every year was disappointing since 1080ti

[@R6ex]

To be expected from Ngreedia without competition from AMD.

[@ggolden]

just get the 4070 ti super / 4080 super

[@R6ex]

@@ggolden Good idea if it were to be in my main PC, but the 1070 FE is in my secondary PC, mainly for old Steam games and streaming videos. Thus, no point spending more, since I'm aiming to get the 6090 in two years' time for my main PC. If I'm not really into older PC games in these two years, even a GT1030 is fine for my secondary streaming PC, coz it'll work just as well for my 4K TVs.

[@TheIVSaken]

9070xt is looking better and better at this point

[@albyhere]

My expectations are at an all time low when it comes to Nvidia, although gamers are not the priority anymore, it really shows how out of touch they are when it comes to generational improvements/changes overall.

[@FO0TMinecraftPVP]

At least the 5090 is worth the money. I'm getting 2 😂 The only people I see complaining are POOR af lol

[@zdspider6778]

@@FO0TMinecraftPVP Jensen, is that you?

[@despairdx]

⁠@@zdspider6778toxic version of jensen in here

[@SUPABROS]

​@FO0TMinecraftPVP Recent comments: "WE WILL BUY THE 5090" "WE WILL BUY THE 5090" "Personally I'm waiting for the 5070ti" So, are you a rich person who is buying 2 5090s or a POOR person who wants a FILTHY 5070ti?

[@kevinrobb86]

so what do you think for a 5070ti...around a grand?

[@Coolhand69]

Coming from a 3070ti FE I was hoping this 50 series would be impressive enough to upgrade. Looks like I’ll keep my current card. This generation is a scam. Please do something good this year AMD! I would gladly switch.

[@wielku]

I was honestly considering switching from 4070ti super to 5070ti because I like new tech but considering I got ti super on release for such a good price, and price gouging in poland is crazy I fully expect 5070ti to be going tor like $1k

[@semicon5329]

I think 5070ti + 4K DLSS Performance is the sweet spot for this generation. It is the cheapest 16GB VRAM card and you won't get a meaningful performance uplift by going with the 5080. 5090 is too expensive but go for it if you have the money I guess. I don't get people who say 5070ti is not a 4K card when 4k dlss performance looks better than 1440p dlss quality. You also get better text clarity, better movie experience, full console 4K support.

[@hirosese]

4K dlss doesnt look better than native, thats why

[@JoeMaranophotography]

Beg to differ, especially with dlss4​@hirosese

[@Legiey]

Dlss quality is, performance is too blurry for me

[@Dempig]

@@hirosese yes it does, native with taa looks terrible

[@haukikannel]

Let see how few AIB are msrp and how close $1000 the most 5070ti will be…

[@SPCUL8R]

I was wondering if you think Nvidia will ever allow 2 gfx cards not for trying to link them like the old days, but so one card could run the algos for multi frame gen and the main card could do the bulk of filling pixels without being bogged down by doing both. I was just messing with Lossless scaling app and they have it where duties can be split between cards to help with frames and overall latency. If not, I wonder if its possible to write an app that would make this possible. Would be great for us upgrading to have a use for our older cards. Love your work and vids. Thanks

[@fractalelf7760]

Thanks to Owens coverage I finally pulled the trigger on a 4090 prebuilt. The clear value is still there and with inventory drying up and tariffs and scarcity jacking 5090 prices and the 5080 little more than a tarted up 4080 Super, I think it was the right decision. Coming from a 3080 Ti I think it will be a solid build for a few more years.

[@FamiliarAnomaly]

Dude my Asus strix I bought scalped in launch month was $2800 scalp price. 2 years later = 😁it's $4000 on amazon....

[@asboll]

I just want vram at this point or a bridge connector for those who want to run multiple low vram cards

[@jasonhemphill8525]

Don't get me wrong, DLSS 4 is incredibly impressive technology... But it is not a replacement for meaningful performance uplift. Nvidia had the choice to make bigger dies, use a newer node, use 3gb modules for vram, or position these cards at prices that would give consumers significantly more value. They didn't do any of that because they don't respect you.

[@rinsenpai135]

None of these companies will respect you. They're not charities, they're businesses and if they can milk every single bit of money they can get out of us, they will do it.

[@_qwe_fk_1700]

Why dont you blame tsmc?

[@jasonhemphill8525]

@ I do. They won’t open new fabs outside of Taiwan with their breeding edge nodes. Why? Because doing so would lower the west’s dependence on Taiwan, creating a disincentive for protecting them should mainland China come knocking. It’s artificial scarcity but for an arguably legitimate reason.

[@ElysaraCh]

Based on this & the expected performance of the 9070XT (slightly better than 4080 raster) i won't be surprised by up to $650 for it, I think the most realistic "we should hope for this" price would be $600

[@As_Ss]

Why no one is testing nvidia smooth motion? Can u test it?

[@Silver-h4m]

is it out yet?

[@NadeemAhmed-nv2br]

Because it's the same thing as frame generation

[@As_Ss]

@ well sure, it was already available when reviewers got gpus for benchmarks, so im surprised there is nothing about it

[@Soawano]

Owen, is that really relevant? Who will be able to find those card at those price ? (let's just disregard taxes) I bet the store margin will be really high considering the high demands/low stocks.

[@sandorclegane3658]

Upgrading from 40 series to 50 series is the equivalent of investing in Tawk crytpo

[@FamiliarAnomaly]

Not the 5090. But the other cards are trash.

[@Reluctant_Hero]

I guess it’ll be best to hope that 5070 Ti is as strong as a 3090 Ti. Going by tech power up, the 5070 Ti 16GB would need at least a 13% performance uplift over the original 4070 Ti 12gb to match the 3090 Ti 24GB. I’ll keep my fingers crossed, but I won’t hold my breath.

[@peterjensen9430]

You should do a special on tariffs, full teacher mode and explain why they increase prices for the consumer, both with math and also as you'd explain a 6 yo. Also how increased priced for a period of time will teach some sellers that people are buying anyway, which could then mean a period of increased prices even if the tariffs eventually go away.

[@FamiliarAnomaly]

the better question is why is nvidia ignoring that the real price of xx90 cards is way way higher than MSRP - why do they not want more money???

[@fivemethoxy]

Except prices will drop after a time because most consumers get by happy with food water shelter and can wait to upgrade. When these mega corporations experience no or minimal sales they literally can't pay their debt employees and other costs of running business. Also the stock market will punish them severely for underperforming on their quarterly earnings report. They will be forced to lower their profit margin and the consumer will benefit.

[@proevolutionsocpes6]

I'm waiting for a video about AMD 9000 series video cards. I'm really looking forward to the 9070

[@fohhee]

5070 TI is a rename 5060 TI 5070 is a rename 5060

[@BonusCrook]

You can even call it a 5010 and justify that point with the same logic. As long as you don't look at the specs like the die size memory bus and power draw you can pretend it's as low end as you want.

[@Equandor]

can you review smooth motion?

[@vulcan4d]

The 5070 looks like the crappiest GPU Nvidia is making for the money. They should have called it a 5060, not even a ti version and sold it for $450.

[@magnusFTS]

450 for a 60 class card while expecting AMD to give 5080 performance at 500 dollars is crazy

[@SuperToughnut]

I have a 2070, I need to upgrade this year probably. I won't pay over MSRP. I can wait

[@wret462]

maybe try to find a used card of 40 series or check one of the 40 series on sale. cuz 50 series won't do well.

[@snowhawk4049]

The underwhelming 50series performance made me buy a 7900GRE for $500. I don't really care about fake frames and raytracing, so have fun with Nvidia.

[@vicente3k]

Nice buy.

[@Zombie101]

But why not wait for 9070xt

[@mybaIIz]

​@@Zombie101Might want or need a PC before march and they can always upgrade later down the line

[@proit8453]

What about DLSS 4? AMD's FSR looks bad in comparison.

[@samgragas8467]

Not worth when DLSS 4 Performance is better than FSR Quality.

[@antipathy17]

My 4070 ti super is looking super pretty right now

[@CERBX97]

I want to be enthusiastic but i may not have enough money to get into this hobby, i was prepared to spend 4000$ on my build and finding that its not enough is enough to make me consider getting out, that was a used car dude.

[@BonusCrook]

$4000 should be way more than enough for a tower with a 5090 and a 9800X3D. You're probably not budgeting components correctly if it's not enough.

[@Descending-melodies.]

4k is more than enough dude, your build should last you over a decade

[@CERBX97]

Cant afford any 5080s it doesnt matter.

[@noid3857]

Brother 4k gets you the best pc you can build for gaming

[@Soul-Demon-Y]

Please test & Compare the new DLSS with the old one for older RTX CARDS

[@matte_bar]

if the 5070ti is at msrp it is a best buy

[@kotprohorov]

It won’t be. And even if it will 4080s will drop its price to 5070ti price and still be 10% more in terms of performance.

[@Dempig]

@@kotprohorov Theres almost no used 4080 stock , the only ones I see are all $1200+

[@antont4974]

​@@kotprohorov4080 will not drop meaningfully in price

[@kotprohorov]

@@Dempig it depends on where you live. CIS and Asia has a lot of 1000-1100$ 4080s.

[@haukikannel]

That is the elefhant in the room. Only AIB versions of 5070ti… so msrp models will be ultra rare and most gpus will be more expensive,,, how much more expensive is the real question…

[@mrgrau531]

Hello, great video very detailed and informative. I’m looking to upgrade my GPU or CPU but I’m torn between which one to upgrade, 50/50 bottlenecking on the game I play (Black Ops 6), I have a 4070 Super with a Ryzen 7 7700x and I’m looking to get 240fps at 1080p, any advice would be much appreciated

[@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis]

Now i think the 9070xt will be $700-799 if the 5070ti wont compete with it,If rumors are correct Damn u nvidia

[@vicente3k]

If AMD really want to compete their cards have to be cheaper even if they perform better than Nvidia's. Like -100/150$. People don't care to spend 50$+ for a Nvidia gpu, so AMD have to be aggressive in the pricing.

[@haukikannel]

Not nesessary if fsr4 is ad good as it seems to be… Lets see when we see real data in few months.

[@omidtabrizi-e2z]

I’m def switching from nvidea to amd I had a 2060 then a 3070ti and then 4070 ti and now that I’ve known I’ve been screwed with constant low ram and overpriced gpu I’m finally gonna go teak red when there’s a card that comes significantly better than 4070 ti

[@xviii5780]

I want amd to fix upscaler and rt and maintain raster advantage, then I'm gonna buy them. Nvidia cards are good, but they do not cost the price retailers ask for them (it's never msrp btw).

[@omidtabrizi-e2z]

@@xviii5780 seems like that’s exactly what they working on. Which even the 7000 series wasn’t that bad at ray tracing. Hopefully the new ones goes band for band

[@higanami_yt]

NVidia renamed the XX60 series to the XX70 series, the XX70 series to the XX80 series, and the XX80 series to the XX80 Ti series. The only thing that hasn't changed is the XX90 series. As before, these are now solutions that are noticeably more powerful than the previous generation

[@Destruction52]

but can it run windows 11?

[@JohnJohn-pm9wq]

Frame generation is technically not a performance boost, it’s technically just a frame smoothening

[@illpunchyouintheface9094]

I’ve always seen it as anti-aliasing for frames lol

[@joserodriguez-rz5wi]

Why nvidia did not lower they price of 5080? Because is the same gpu in specs of 4080, it has the same transistor count 45.6 billions, the same node and die size, same vram capacity, no enhanceds apart for gddr7 and multi frame generation but they lower they price of the 5070 and 5070 TI?

[@danielowentech]

Well, technically they lowered the price by $200 compared to the 4080. It's just that the 4080 super already did that a year ago

[@zdspider6778]

@@danielowentech How generous of Nvidia to give us 5 WHOLE gigabytes since 8 years ago (GTX 1080Ti).

[@SoftExo]

@@zdspider6778 AMD is right there with a million memory chips soldered onto the PCB and still nobody buys them, maybe you can take a minute between snarky remarks to help us understand why that is.

[@BonusCrook]

​@@SoftExoThey complain about Nvidia and their pricing but never buy from the competitors. Gamers truly did do this to themselves lol.

[@rinsenpai135]

​@@BonusCrookI'm not buying from AMD for the same price as Nvidia, especially when some use cases are broken when going AMD. Lots of people did this exact same reasoning for years already. AMD may have interesting pricing in USA, USA isn't the whole world.

[@dannymiester5825]

I got a 4090 in the uk 2 months ago for 1600 pounds, they are selling second hand for 2000 and more on fleabay. All this 50 series crap makes me alot happier for about my purchase so thankyou nvidia

[@MrSabnova3415]

Doesn’t matter what the performance is. Nvidia fans are still going to eat up these gpus like they’re candy 😂