Rudiger Roll : The Caveman Concept - No Tools Fire Roll Friction Fire - Primitive Fire Making

[@boggycreekbeast]

For those who think that I did not come up with all these variations using this method with substances such as Rust, Jute, Chaga, Yucca, Hemp, Dogbane, etc; YOU are more than welcome to search the internet over and compare dates for yourself. Unlike some on KZbin, MY work using this method is original and speaks for itself. History of the Fire Roll and Evolution Video kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6fOpYR7e6Z2otE The FIRST No Tools Fire Roll on KZbin can be seen here kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGaXkqdua8torcU Links mentioned in video above Dogbane Fiber Extraction Video kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6iZfKakpLyfrZI No Tools No Ashes kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGaXkqdua8torcU Round Tree Branch 4 inch hand hold kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWSmkpJsn9uCmrM Tree bark hand hold and base kzbin.info/www/bejne/haPYoKSppsZjos0 Mini Stones hand hold and base kzbin.info/www/bejne/iIPVoZtqlrBjeNk Pocket knife hand hold kzbin.info/www/bejne/gp_JpWN3qJWHe6c No Ash No Tools stone surfaces kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6ObkKatpa5-bKc Stone surfaces Walnut husk and Cotton kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3nEhJqqoNKKbqc To see more plants that I came up with that can be used with this method click the following link kzbin.info/aero/PLPUSw5w2ZpSax0D2cEDbmq8le400JmF6H

[@hypnotherapycw]

i dont really care who came up with it first (on youboob). fact is i have seen some others and yours. yours was incredibly simple and easy to follow. most important: EASY TO DUPLICATE. i hope i am never in a situation that i need this info. but i have it from YOU. thank you. i am going to be CERTAIN to teach it to my son and daughter - and have them watch you.

[@boggycreekbeast]

@@hypnotherapycw As I've stated many times I did not invent this method but I did come up with all the variations you see on my channel which is discussed in the origins video ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6fOpYR7e6Z2otE ). That said, have fun with this technique BUT always be prepared with lighters/firesteels. I hope you and your children never have to actually use this.

[@UniverseEarthSpirit]

This is just what I was looking for. Using natural materials and things on hand. Thank you.

[@boggycreekbeast]

Glad you enjoyed.

[@enenalan]

Well that just blew up my understanding of the fire roll method! Thank you for the vid. I feel like that just opened about 1000 new doors!

[@boggycreekbeast]

Glad you enjoyed the video. Have a good weekend.

[@JesusSaves86AB]

Another useful lesson learned. God provides everything we need in nature. God bless.

[@LANDSEAAIRCANADA]

The Caveman method/concept is quite possibly one of the most important in terms of survival application Always enjoying these lessons This one is among the top rolls for us Thank You for sharing your expertise friend.

[@boggycreekbeast]

Thank you for the kind words my friends. Also, thank you for sharing your culture with us.

[@willynilly8328]

Didn't know it could be done like that. Good video!

[@boggycreekbeast]

A lot of people think that you need perfect material to perform this method. I've been performing this method without tools for years. Have a good day.

[@BackpackingWithJason]

That’s awesome!! Never seen it done like that before. Really cool 👍. Looks much easier than bow drill.

[@boggycreekbeast]

It is much easier than the bow drill. People think you need perfect material to perform this method but that's just not true. I've been using this method without tools for years.

[@wildsurvivalskills]

Fantastic video

[@boggycreekbeast]

Hey! I know you! I've seen your videos. My neighbor and I were inspired to replicate your primitive pump drill design. It worked!

[@HaphazardHomestead]

I especially liked seeing the demo with the down tree and the bark! Thanks!

[@boggycreekbeast]

Glad you liked that. There is a link to a video above were I use a piece of tree bark on tree bark for the surfaces.

[@KingTesticus]

I'm convinced our ancient ancestors were using this method. This would leave no trace for modern archeologists to find and say "those cave dudes were doing it like such&such." Perhaps the reason there is so little information about fire use in the archeological record is because this method would disappear immediately, never mind sticking around a million years later to be discovered by some know-nothing post doc. Great video. I have abandoned my hand and bow drill efforts and only keep a small 35 mm film canister with wood ashes and a couple-few cotton balls. Takes up way less space than a bow drill kit.

[@boggycreekbeast]

Good points. Its quite possible. More energy efficient and not a difficult skill to learn.

[@Waldhandwerk]

Really Awesome Tim! With the baco, too cool. Caveman would think you're the fire god.

[@boggycreekbeast]

Hey Sepp! Hope you are well friend. Thanks for the kind words.

[@meldeweese6875]

Great- Thank You, always excellent demos ! Mtn Mel & Molly Blue in W. Colo.

[@laffilmfest3759]

I have never seen this before.....thank U!!

[@boggycreekbeast]

Glad you enjoyed

[@KettleCamping]

Amazing content! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. Cheers from north of the border 👍

[@boggycreekbeast]

Things are crazy busy here this time of year. Taking a few minutes to respond to others. Happy Holidays

[@LeeRalph100]

Well Done!!! I was impressed as always by your skills, but I was blown away by your using of the bark! Another great video showing the adaptability of this method!! Thanks for sharing this!!

[@boggycreekbeast]

Hey Lee. Great to hear from you friend. I have a bunch of videos but I'm not sure when I'll get around to loading them.

[@sosteve9113]

This was a awesome demo,well done

[@boggycreekbeast]

Great hearing from you, Steve. Hope you are well.

[@williamwhite9481]

Just last week i realized its very easy to carve a nice descent sized board. It just takes a while. I didnt know it could be done with a stone axe but it is very possible.

[@boggycreekbeast]

It could be done easily but anymore I don't carve sets at all. I do have a carved hand hold that I use to demonstrate new material out of convenience. Other than that I really don't use tools with this method that often. I recommend that others start with boards at home but eventually you should explore this method in nature to get a deeper understanding. Its good that you're formulating your own thoughts. You'll go farther that way. Have a good evening.

[@EastGrandWoodsman]

Good morning, I really like this video. Mike specially liked the down tree method. in my area with lots of snow on the ground. I think the down tree method would work the best. thank you! :)

[@boggycreekbeast]

Glad you enjoyed. Have a good day.

[@ManLand]

Dadgum Brother you are still the MASTER!...I feel so left behind now...lol. But I can still use your basic techniques to get one going...at least as you have shown in the past and till now...it's just that easy.

[@boggycreekbeast]

Mart!!! Happy Holidays my friend! Hope you are doing well :) Loved the real field cotton video BTW! Seen you use that once before. You're the only person I know who has actually used that.

[@jesseherbert2585]

Outstanding! KISS principals in spades. Many thanks brother.

[@boggycreekbeast]

Glad you enjoyed. I recommend starting out at home with boards for rolling surfaces, cotton and ashes. Get that down first before moving on to raw material from nature. I think you'll find this method easy to learn. Take care.

[@markpeatrowsky3023]

Great video and insights! There is nothing else in the historical record similar to this?

[@ManLand]

Dadgum this is good stuff...

[@boggycreekbeast]

Thanks Mart. Hope you are well my friend.

[@MacheteBushcraftAustralia]

Love your work mate!!! I have stumbled across quite a lot of your videos over the past year and finally gave your primitive approach a go. It worked like a charm. I used jute twine for the first then tested it with some Yucca that is growing outside of the workshop. I think it's good to practice lots of friction fire making methods but it you were only going to pick one, it's these Rud Rolls without tools. Keep up the good work mate. All the best from OZ, Ben

[@boggycreekbeast]

Glad you enjoy the videos. You have a good day. :)

[@rvrandy1710]

AWESOME !! THANK YOU !

[@boggycreekbeast]

You're welcome!

[@TheManOfTwistsAndTurns]

thank you very much for this video - really really helped a lot !!

[@boggycreekbeast]

Glad it helped!

[@davidf4958]

Very useful to see you use the various methods like that. After two 2x4's, which one is easiest in general (I know they are all easy for you!). Thanks buddy.

[@boggycreekbeast]

Stones seem to make a good easy base to roll on. If you've done this with cotton on 2X4's then I recommend starting off with a stone base and cotton. Experiment with the various hand holds til you feel like you have a good understanding of each. The hand holds above are not difficult to use.

[@SITIO-RECANTO]

Very good video

[@boggycreekbeast]

Thanks

[@Fred-q6l]

Great stuff! Thanks

[@boggycreekbeast]

Glad you liked it!

[@MadDogSurvival]

Excellent as always sir! Your very skilled at this! Very impressive to watch and learn from you. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience brother 👍🏽👍🏽😎👌🏽 Best wishes brother

[@boggycreekbeast]

Glad you enjoyed friend. Have a good day.

[@chiefkirk]

Great demo brother.

[@boggycreekbeast]

Thank you :)

[@billyjoedenny]

I've seen it done over and over , just don't makes sense this works ... lol. awesome demos my friend . billy joe

[@boggycreekbeast]

Glad you enjoyed. The fibers rubbing against one another as you roll back and forward is very efficient at generating heat. The ash just aides in friction as well as holds in heat as it is an insulator. That said, I've done this MANY times without ashes so its not limited to that. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGaXkqdua8torcU

[@kenyenmusic7548]

WTF this is so cool!

[@boggycreekbeast]

Glad you enjoyed

[@donwilson9939]

Great vid. What it you don't have wood ashes? Is there anything else that would work instead?

[@boggycreekbeast]

Here are playlists of Accelerants that I personally came up with to use instead of ashes : Natural kzbin.info/aero/PLPUSw5w2ZpSbwF9ZYN5JLCgUx1JS_H1fX Chemical kzbin.info/aero/PLPUSw5w2ZpSZXpNLSv3j_qr13Zalqm_6u

[@linklesstennessee2078]

Good video Boggy

[@boggycreekbeast]

Glad you liked the video. Take care :)

[@jameshutto3047]

So many links so lil time. :] look forward to learning more

[@boggycreekbeast]

Take care :)

[@johndaily7286]

Liked and subscribed! What do you do when its your first fire and you dont have ashes?

[@boggycreekbeast]

Sorry for late response. I am rarely on here. Now, as far as not having ashes(which is the easiest and most preferred way to perform this method) it can be done without them. However, performing without ashes can be difficult. I do have videos were I demonstrate this method without ashes or tools but I recommend to others to practice with ashes before moving without them. I have numerous videos were I use other substances as a substitute for ashes. One example is Rust(iron oxide), which is one of my very own earlier innovations that can be used with this method. Yes, its extremely versatile. All that said, think of the Rudiger Roll as a complement to all fire making methods.

[@johndaily7286]

@@boggycreekbeast I actually watched most of your fire roll videos after posting this comment. You put out some very fascinating stuff. You have inspired a lot of ideas in my head. Thanks from Chicago

[@rnew1262]

This is a excellent video. David West advices on his Chanel to watch yours. Thank you 🙂

[@boggycreekbeast]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@kenwhite5132]

I'm definitely going to try this but do I need to press down hard r with just a little pressure???

[@boggycreekbeast]

Try it at home first with perfect boards, ash and cotton. Yes, give it some pressure....not too hard. Tinker around at home until trying this outdoors. Heres an instructional kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXjSYXiMerGFnNk

[@Justin-op8gg]

I bet more than a few knew about this method.

[@rod.thehollerhound9791]

Awesome video brother. Recently subd to your channel. Think I'm gonna spend some time watching your videos. Thanks brother.

[@boggycreekbeast]

Glad you enjoyed. I will sub you back ;)

[@rod.thehollerhound9791]

Nothing on my channel yet. But its comin. Only have cell for video. So wont be much.

[@boggycreekbeast]

Doesn't matter bro. Videos or not we can still stay linked. I'll try to check in when I can. Started a new job so I'm a little busy.

[@samthai818]

I will collect some dogbane fibers the next time I head up to Maryland. I don't think there are any down in Florida. Just to think that I lived in Maryland for 47 years and the parkland behind my backyard there were full of dogbane, and other than knowing they were poisonous, never paid any attention to them.

[@boggycreekbeast]

Dogbane is the king for cordage and fire roll. Definitely get a large bundle when you go. Get some nettle, too. Nettle is great for the fire roll and was one of the first plants I experimented with back in late 2014

[@samthai818]

I love picking nettle shoots for consuming in the spring, delicious! Knowing there is a second great use for it, raises it a few notches!

[@boggycreekbeast]

@@samthai818 There are plenty of plants that will work with this method. Here is a playlist of those that I came up with kzbin.info/aero/PLPUSw5w2ZpSax0D2cEDbmq8le400JmF6H I have playlists of alternatives to ash as well, natural and manmade.

[@samthai818]

Thank you! I will check it out!

[@madisonciowa3920]

I must have missed this one. Awesome as usual. How is everything in your neck of the woods?

[@boggycreekbeast]

Good hearing from you. I almost never get on here anymore. I'm glad your comment was near the top because I would've missed it for sure. I have hundreds that I have not responded to yet. Once in a while I try to respond to a few if time permits. I have been so busy with my interests and work that I don't have much time for anything else. I do check my Facebook a little more regular but sometimes I go days without checking it, too. What have you been up to?

[@madisonciowa3920]

@@boggycreekbeast things are good but weird here with the virus and all. Im sure its the same there. Right now I'm canning peaches. My tree finally produced a lot. The load broke a bunch of branches but maybe it was our land hurricane that came through. Who knows, lol. Yes, let's catch up. 😀

[@boggycreekbeast]

@@madisonciowa3920 Hey Madison, it would easier to keep up with me on Facebook. Here is my page (send me a friend request - I will erase this post shortly) facebook.com/timothy.wagers.9/

[@cr0cket01]

great video hows the garden doing this year

[@boggycreekbeast]

Got the garden out late friend. We'll see how it goes.

[@pauljs75]

I'm curious if the early summer seed fluff that you sometimes get in poplar groves would work? That would be a potentially abundant material for this in the eastern part of the U.S. and Canada. (Would be another bonus from those trees, given how useful the bark is.)

[@boggycreekbeast]

I don't know but you can certainly try. Have a good night.

[@lucianosilipo5024]

What's the point of the ash? Can you use something else if no ash available?

[@boggycreekbeast]

The ash increases friction between the fibers and will help the cotton or other fiber grip to the rolling surfaces. There are lots of other substitutes for ash. I will include a link to a playlist of material that will work instead of ash. I have also performed this without ashes but that can be difficult. I have videos on my channel were I perform this without ashes or other substitutes. Here is the Playlist of ash substitutes kzbin.info/aero/PLPUSw5w2ZpSbwF9ZYN5JLCgUx1JS_H1fX&si=I4UwuWe3VqW7TQ9D

[@lucianosilipo5024]

@@boggycreekbeast I see, looks like a ton of different options, how about just some dirt? I didn't see that on the list, can that do friction?

[@johnknappingthings271]

Hey there I was just wondering if you could show us native fiber. With native accelerants. Punk wood In dogbane That kinda thing if not that’s cool too I’ll be doing it at home

[@boggycreekbeast]

Playlist of natural accelerants other than ash that I came up with kzbin.info/aero/PLPUSw5w2ZpSbwF9ZYN5JLCgUx1JS_H1fX Plant Fiber Playlist kzbin.info/aero/PLPUSw5w2ZpSax0D2cEDbmq8le400JmF6H Man made accelerants kzbin.info/aero/PLPUSw5w2ZpSZXpNLSv3j_qr13Zalqm_6u

[@alhernandez7260]

Awesome.....but , let's say you have no ashes, what do you use? What came first, ashes or the fire?????

[@boggycreekbeast]

Well, first off, I've done this without ashes. Also, I have come up with numerous substitutes for ash. I have playlists if you're interested. In the end, this is just one more way to make fire that just so happens to be extremely versatile.

[@brianbartulis9709]

Chicken and the egg thing? ie; wood ash. Wouldn't someone who got stranded in their vehicle possible use this method? Would rust scraped from beneath auto work vs the ash? ( I was trying to make ash right?)

[@boggycreekbeast]

Or I could just do it without ash or anything else. I have numerous times. Here's one example kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6ObkKatpa5-bKc

[@survivorjohnny44]

It doesn't look like you are using a lot of downward pressure or for that matter speed (like a bow drill). What do you think is the "secret"? It looks like skills I already have so after years of seeing you do it and making it look so easy I'm not sure why I haven't tried it much less mastered it into my skill set. How hard do I push down? I can see (for the most part) how fast to go from your demos

[@boggycreekbeast]

John, first off, sorry about taking so long to respond. I'm really busy at the new job friend. How much pressure really depends on you and the materials. I wish I had an easy answer for you but the truth is we're all different in terms of what is light or heavy. Honestly, I'm using about moderate pressure. This method is ridiculously easy to perform and master. Shoot, with perfect material at home I can make embers in under 1 second. Not kidding you. When I do a speed demonstration I only touch the board to the cotton when I'm going for an ember that way the cotton is cold for the rolling. That is an accurate test of speed. Here is a speed demo kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGmbp2Nmpc-VjM0

[@sherizuech6562]

Why already used wood ash inside cotton? Can other substances be used inside cotton?

[@boggycreekbeast]

Of course you can. I can also perform this method without ashes. The use of ashes or other accelerants makes it easier. Here are playlists of the accelerants that I personally came up with : Natural : kzbin.info/aero/PLPUSw5w2ZpSbwF9ZYN5JLCgUx1JS_H1fX Chemical : kzbin.info/aero/PLPUSw5w2ZpSZXpNLSv3j_qr13Zalqm_6u Here I am performing this without ashes : kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6ObkKatpa5-bKc

[@exdy-eb3dv]

What can I use if I don't have wood ashes?

[@boggycreekbeast]

See the following playlists for more alternatives to ash. A playlist of natural alternatives I came up with kzbin.info/aero/PLPUSw5w2ZpSbwF9ZYN5JLCgUx1JS_H1fX Chemical alternatives I came up with kzbin.info/aero/PLPUSw5w2ZpSZXpNLSv3j_qr13Zalqm_6u I can also perform this without ash kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGaXkqdua8torcU

[@exdy-eb3dv]

@@boggycreekbeast thank you!!

[@MarkusWITH_a_k]

How much pressure do you use I just can't get this to work

[@boggycreekbeast]

Try this at home first with sawn planks/2/4's, cotton and ashes before moving on to natural material. Pressure should be firm and even. Here's a tutorial kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXjSYXiMerGFnNk

[@MarkusWITH_a_k]

@@boggycreekbeast thanks but I did watch the video from your link like 10 times I'm just not sure of the pressure I might be applying too much pressure is there a such thing

[@boggycreekbeast]

@@MarkusWITH_a_k What I like to do is gradually increase the pressure as I'm rolling. Don't start out pressing as hard as possible. Firm even pressure once you get a steady motion.

[@shermgohn]

Would this method work with a cotton ball that has Vaseline on it?

[@boggycreekbeast]

No. There are plenty of other materials that will work though. Check my playlists over accelerants.

[@danielww9022]

The fire roll ought to be the first skill we master, long before stuffing a pouch with ferro rods & fueled cotton. Nature is a wonderful provider, but she can be a terrible villain, as well. Should she decide to swallow your store-bought survival kit in her icy river, you will need to make do with only the simplest resources. It doesn't get much more basic than sticks and stones.

[@boggycreekbeast]

Well said.

[@profbill77]

I'm sure someone has tried this, but why not sawdust as the accelerant?

[@screenblank1925]

AWESOME!

[@boggycreekbeast]

Glad you enjoyed

[@oldfarmer9004]

Can you do that with cat tail fuzz?

[@boggycreekbeast]

Cattail fluff isn't strong enough. I have plenty of plant videos other than cotton and Dogbane though kzbin.info/aero/PLPUSw5w2ZpSax0D2cEDbmq8le400JmF6H

[@43blanton]

Boggy Creek Fouke Arkansas Fouke monster ... Where are you from my friend?

[@boggycreekbeast]

More of a strange name my youngest son came up with years ago. He would say from time to time that I was a recluse like the fictional Fouke monster. It just kind of stuck. Am in Kentucky btw

[@FollowChristNotMan]

Apparently it works without any additions Ash, bark etc.

[@boggycreekbeast]

I know. I have numerous videos over that.

[@jameshutto3047]

How hard would u say u pressed down on the rock on rock

[@boggycreekbeast]

About like I always do. I wouldn't know the exact pressure but medium for me. Of course, I have been doing this for some time. Its not difficult for me. You may have to experiment to find what works for you.

[@rickkrockstar]

So you have to start a fire , to get your first wood ash..

[@boggycreekbeast]

Or I can just do it without ashes kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6ObkKatpa5-bKc

[@taticalwoodsman7074]

Ok so rolled between 2 surfaces that don't have to be completely flat thnxs 👍🇺🇸

[@kimoclyde]

In order to create a fire using this method you need ashes, but in order to have ashes you would have to have had burning wood.... with a fire? okaaay

[@boggycreekbeast]

Here's a few videos were I perform this without ashes kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGaXkqdua8torcU kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6ObkKatpa5-bKc