Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer: Musical Hell Review #21

[@tsnophaljakarax9963]

"You're father looks so handsome in a harness." D: Sheesh, Rudolph's mom, keep it in the bedroom, will ya? XD

[@laurenhodges6411]

I didn't even think about that. XD

[@mr.outlaw231]

Wait.... but how would that work? They don't have hands to do the harnesses themselves if they were.... into that. Unless.... ... Hey, what's everyone's opinion on... uh... cupcakes? Yeah. Cupcakes. We were talking about that, right?

[@TheRachaelLefler]

As a brony I can't find any innocence in the concept of "cupcakes"... hehehe... (I won't even make you Google it... you're welcome! docs.google.com/document/d/1qTTzMqlRTHeHIarZZhwQhADc-1aff9fkHKWx-kn0wMk/edit?hl=en )

[@artemisfowldragon]

my thoughts exaclty

[@CreeketsCreek]

PFfft

[@emac94]

This movie made me side with its villain. Stormella has every right to be pissed off and not let the people who destroyed her property use her bridge. Especially when Santa doesn’t punish the two responsible in any way or make them apologize to her for it

[@kenthuang436]

And she did say exactly what she would do if anyone used her bridge and followed through with it and it really wasn’t even that bad tbh since all she did was cause a bad snowstorm in which literally no one would get hurt since everyone would be stuck inside where it was nice and warm.

[@RoninCatholic]

Darn it I just came up instantly with a better way to warm Stormella's heart with Rudolph's wish Have him, instead of thwarting her plan or something selfish for himself or simply for her to change alignment and personality, wish that her ice statues weren't smashed. Touched that even after getting a wish out of saving her life he goes even farther to _give_ to her, the true meaning of Christmas comes to her heart (forcing it to grow three sizes).

[@mariic2]

Nathan Karr And then she dies, because, as Sheldon Cooper pointed out in _The Big Bang Theory_, Heart Swelling is fatal.

[@SitaraAleu]

I love that!

[@livelybubbs6242]

That actually sounds kinda sweet, to be honest

[@RyushuSuperCat]

that would've been amazing tbh

[@MovieFan1912]

Now THAT would have been great!

[@philipdarrenellwell1994]

Rudolph burning down a prom would at least have been entertaining, unlike this film

[@revolverocelot-rx2mf]

Yep

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Especially considering he doesn't have hands.

[@MovieFan1912]

If you add a meteor shower into the mix, then this would have been even more entertaining!

[@ariannagorbet2239]

@@jeremyusreevu237 I actually heard that Rudolph has the power to lights things on fire with his nose.

[@MrWill9002]

Interesting fact: Stormella was orignaly going to be an ex of Santa's

[@jonathanwinston539]

Ex-husband you mean?

[@MrGabeanator]

@@jonathanwinston539 try ex boyfriend

[@GeneralKenobi75]

Well that certainly explains why she hates him so much.

[@MrWill9002]

@@GeneralKenobi75 Hmm? XD

[@incognitoburrito7458]

That would have been so funny and bizarre😂 imagine her singing “last Christmas” as her villain song lol

[@jenniferschillig3768]

At least the Santa in this is much nicer than the Rankin/Bass Santa, who was just as dismissive of Rudolph and his nose for three-quarters of the show.

[@jesusrox4u]

Yeah, I never liked the Santa from the Rankin/Bass 1964 special (which is honestly over rated).

[@cfruge444]

I agree completely.

[@crystalfairy912]

That's part of why I prefer this movie over the Rankin/Bass Rudolph.

[@valerievargas1548]

But at the end he finally asked Rudolph to guide his sleigh.

[@patrickholland901]

However at least he apologized and started treating Rudolph better before the storm grounded him and the reindeer and he was cancelling his run.

[@SitaraAleu]

All they had to do to make the bridge dilemma an actual crisis is have Santa explain that the reindeer are only powerful enough to pull the sleigh at the height of the Christmas season when the magic was at its strongest.

[@SuperFanboy101]

Just be lucky you don't work at a store. For two whole months, "Wonderful Christmastime" is ALL I hear!

[@supermariof0521]

+SuperFanboy101 If you ask me, I'd rather listen to that, then have "Let it Go", and or Justin Bieber's rendition of "All I want for Christmas is You" play 24 hours a day.

[@SuperFanboy101]

+Jacob Carpenter Ditto. Also I'd rather hear Wonderful Christmastime than John Lennon's War is Over.

[@asalways1504]

I'll listen to Wonderful Christmastime on an infinite loop than suffer through EVERY. SINGLE. RENDITION. of Last Christmas. I SWEAR TO GOD! EVERY THIRD SONG ON THE RADIO OR DEPARTMENT STORE SOUNDTRACK IS THAT FLAKY SONG! THERE ARE OTHER CHRISTMAS CAROLS ABOUT HEARTBREAK TOO YOU KNOW!!! ....Sorry about that.

[@girlscanbedrummers5449]

SuperFanboy101 I could never understand why that song was popular. It must of just been the message behind it, because Yokos screeching and the off key kids singing chorus makes it so annoying and insufferable. And to hear John sing the same line over over while his wife unbearably screeched in the background isn't my pick for a "inspriational" Christmas song. Ugh. Also what the hell does war have to do with Christmas?! I'd rather listen to Micheal Buble sing every Christmas song off beat than to hear that propaganda disgused as a Christmas song at least Buble has a very nice toleratable voice. Other Beatles fans may love it, but honestly I don't.

[@TheRachaelLefler]

My personal most-hated Christmas song is "Do They Know It's Christmas?" by Band Aid... after hearing that song your ears need a band-aid.

[@v1de0gamr23]

"This damsel ain't going to distress herself." Isn't that exactly what she did?

[@SuperTed19021]

Yep, Zoey did just that.

[@sabrinamcclain162]

How could someone know all of the reindeers except the "most famous reindeer of all"? Isn't the definition of most famous practically, "The one you're most likely to recall?"

[@cfruge444]

Teen Titans Go did the exact same thing with Beast Boy.

[@stevenmilsteen]

No he wasn't famous yet

[@timothymclean]

@@stevenmilsteen But presumably he was by the time the song is being sung, or the song-narrator wouldn't call him "the most famous reindeer of all".

[@stevenmilsteen]

@@timothymclean no they are narrators they tell the story of someone or something before they were famous and the moments that led up to them becoming famous

[@QueenCheetah]

It was pretty much to promote the fact that Rudolph was the new addition to the crew- remember, Montgomery Ward created him to help 'sell' their coloring books. (I know, they were free, but still. Advertising).

[@Hewylewis]

John Goodman's actually a pretty good singer, but this film is a waste of his talents. Also, I love Wonderful Christmastime.

[@goldblaze93]

I thought he sung Roll Back The Rock To The Dawn Of Time pretty good.

[@janebyrne6463]

I liked John Goodman's performance in Monsters University (I haven't watched Monsters Inc. yet, that's on my list), and thought Goodman was the best thing about the "Rosanne" reboot. But this film was a waste of Goodman's talents. And proof that contrary to popular belief, it is possible to insult a modern kid's intelligence. As for "Wonderful Christmastime", I kind of like the song in a cheesy kind of way. But John Lennon and Yoko Ono's "Merry Christmas (War is Over)" is a way better song.

[@metademetra]

Yeah he did a great job with “If I Didn’t Have You.” Pretty sure the problem here is either direction or nobody bothering to take more than one recording.

[@MelonTartVA]

As do I.

[@noahbossier1131]

Yeah it wastes voice talents from Far Superior films like Rescuers Down Under, Lion King, and Emperor's New Groove,

[@rosebyanyname]

Love the channel, Diva! For this wintertime, would you consider covering “Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer”? I've heard hearsay that the titular song is used as torture in the fifth circle...

[@nicholasl.521]

Can't go wrong with that!

[@JoshFreilich]

@@nicholasl.521 should that be a Musical Hell case or a MHTV episode?

[@Kahran042]

@@JoshFreilich MHTV, I think.

[@jenniferschillig3768]

You know, to me the worst thing about "Wonderful Christmastime" IS the fact that an ex-Beatle wrote it. I mean, this is the man who wrote "Yesterday," "Blackbird," "Eleanor Rigby" and "Let It Be"...we KNOW he's capable of better! When you put this up against John Lennon's "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)", it reinforces some pretty unfortunate stereotypes about who was the genius in the Beatles.

[@jdraven0890]

I was just thinking this the other day - looking at everything McCartney, Ringo, and George were famous for after they went solo (e.g. anything by Wings especially "Jet"), I'm forced to conclude that Lennon was the only thing holding it all together intellectually. What's really horrible is that McCartney combined incredibly catchy music with absolute nonsense that's impossible to get out of your head.

[@girlscanbedrummers5449]

BB Wolf Paul's songs were not all bad 😣

[@atimnie]

Intellectually... maybe. But what good is a brain without a heart? John and Paul separate weren't anywhere near as good as John and Paul together. And George was the instrumental core of the group, so don't be so dismissive of him. And Ringo never had any pretense beyond being a competent drummer.

[@TheRachaelLefler]

Yeah but "War is Over" tries to make Christmas about a bunch of political bullshit it doesn't need to be about, I don't really like that song either, though I do like that John Lennon so passionately fought for his principles.

[@jenniferschillig3768]

@@atimnie The Fab Four really were a perfect storm, weren't they?

[@LaDracul]

I KNEW I couldn't be the only one that hates "Wonderful Christmastime"...

[@lilcrabbybabby]

I remember this movie so vividly. I watched it a few times as a child, but there was always something that I enjoyed about there being an evil villaness involved in the Christmas story. I was a weird kid.

[@thenewadventuresofhenry6998]

That's not that weird.

[@timothymclean]

I wonder how your younger self would have felt about Frozen...

[@fruitlion8]

It's Whoopi's charm. She was in a lot of animated films including Rudolph, Pagemaster and even The Lion King. She makes a great major character, especially as a villain :)

[@SuperSwordman1]

I actually still watch this movie every year. It's one of my staples

[@nathanielcraig3588]

They have Rudolph SAVE THE VILLANS LIFE and still need a forced redemption. You could literally have that be the first time anyone has shown her kindness and give her a change of heart, but no, she has to be wished nice. Ok, sure.

[@SuperTed19021]

As Phelous said "Wait to go, Rudolph, you red-nosed f***up". A logical wish would be that Santa makes it through the storm safely. But that wouldn't pave the way to you-know-what, would it? I would have just let the villain fall to her death. Kind of hilarious that the climax of his movie is actually saving the villainess.

[@mcwyman7928]

"Suffer the fury of hell, and MERRY FUCKING CHRISTMAS!" Makes me laugh every time! Can we please get a BatB: The Enchanted Christmas review this year?

[@MovieFan1912]

About as epic as “Welcome to Hell, Motherfuckers!”

[@roadbreach]

2 things: 1. I like "Wonderful Christmastime" 2. John Goodman doesn't sound terrible singing

[@gageperuti5519]

I agree on both counts.

[@artisticalex1206]

I agree.

[@yotsubafanfan]

I agree with both especially the Wonderful Christmas time. Its one of my favorites

[@ryanward652]

Santa is more nicer than the Rankin/Bass Santa cause he’s a jerk

[@GatorRay]

Who decided to show this film in theaters in October Jack Skellington?

[@MrGabeanator]

sounds like his idea

[@SitaraAleu]

Don’t be silly, it couldn’t have been him. He would’ve picked something GOOD.

[@MrGabeanator]

@@SitaraAleu lol

[@kaylasilverstein4137]

Jennifer Ellison this made my day😂😂😂

[@MovieFan1912]

This feels more like the ghost of Oogie Boogie tormenting us.

[@nicholasmorgan7609]

Even as a child I didn't like this movie. By the point of A Wonderful Christmas Time, I loathed it. It was my first exposure to the song. Stormella's face turn was beyond disappointing. I groaned at how she as just suddenly an okay person from a wish. A very wasted magical favor. It was at that point I decided to go to bed and my parents were surprised that I didn't enjoy an animated film. It showed them that children had a sense of quality they expected as well and could only tolerate so much bullshit.

[@dansattah]

Maybe the language and culture also play a role in that. I'm from Germany and have very fond memories of this movie, because it introduced me to the Rudolph story in the first place.

[@davidhileman8567]

What if it was animated by SEK Studio in North Korea?

[@kenthuang436]

I really didn’t think Stormella was that bad of a person. I mean sure she was cold and distant but seemed rather reasonable and like she was a very lovely person once you got to know her. Literally everyone kept judging her unfairly just because she had winter powers and demanded that the elves that destroyed her property be turned over to her to be punished which was probably only going to be making them clean up the mess and pay for the damages which isn’t evil and holding Zoey prisoner which Stormella said she would do if anyone used the bridge and even then the snowstorm wasn’t going to actually hurt anyone as they’d all be indoors during the blizzard where it was nice and warm and full of sweets to eat and spend time with each other as the storm would have ended on its own which would probably be a few hours as Stormella never said that it was going to be a permanent storm. She did exactly what she said she would do and was just teaching everyone that there are consequences for their bad behavior. You can’t blame her for hating Santa and the others because of how they kept acting and basically rewarding bad behavior and property damage.

[@smolshay]

Before the video even starts I just want to say this has been and will always be my favorite Rudolph movie from my childhood.

[@danielgibson3422]

Ya I like it way more than the stop motion film.

[@NaiTaiDai]

*as soon as the sprites start singing* I'm 29, and just their voices alone makes me wanna start drinking.

[@thenewadventuresofhenry6998]

Except for Whoopi they're not THAT bad. Don't get me wrong, voices that sound like they're coming from 8 year old Call of Duty gamers makes me cringe too, but Kathleen Barr actually has a pretty impressive voice acting career.

[@ilikecurry2345]

Dude, 29 (or as of right now 32) is _more_ than old enough to drink!

[@MightyMewtron]

do you have an opinion on the cgi Rudolph VHS sequel, something like Rudolph and the island of misfit toys? gave hermy a love interest B plot, don't remember much else about it. used to love it as a kid.

[@BrightWulph]

I do admit I have a soft spot for the movie....nostalgia is a powerful thing.

[@koichidignitythief7429]

I member dis movie

[@SuperSwordman1]

Same here.

[@artisticalex1206]

Same with me even though I don't care for the movie now.

[@princessjava42]

I prefer John Goodman as evil Robot Santa in Futurama.

[@thenewadventuresofhenry6998]

Is this movie how he got the role?

[@tastyloaf5487]

Was wondering that myself.

[@koichidignitythief7429]

@@thenewadventuresofhenry6998 Something good had to come from this movie. John Goodman as Santa is that bad of an idea to begin with. Better him than Tim Allen.

[@davidvitti8240]

You know what? I'm just gonna say it: Wonderful Christmastime is a fantastic song.

[@kenthuang436]

I agree. It’s much better than that Christmas song about shoes.

[@seani8698]

I've always thought Santa's moral dogma rang hollow and pious since he did absolutely nothing about Rudolph constantly being bullied

[@SuperTed19021]

Yes, he is useless in this. If he was anyway competent, he would punish the elves who pi**ed off the villain but doesn't. He only jumps into action to find Rudolph when Zoey goes missing as well and employs the same elves that should have been fired with a stupid excuse of a moral thrown in of "everyone deserves a second chance". Get reindeer to find them, why doesn't their parents look. But this is a feebly-written mockbuster mind, so why should I expect anything else.

[@juliagoodwin9510]

I honestly prefer Jack Johnson's cover of the song, because there Rudolph actually calls out "All of the Other Reindeer" on their BS.

[@kenthuang436]

I’ve always wanted to see a version of Rudolph where he refuses to lead the sleigh because it basically is saying his physical difference is only acceptable by society if it proves to be useful and people will only like you because you are now a tool to help them solve their problem and then ask Santa why should he help all those who bullied him and what’s in it for *him* should he Decide to help out. Then have Santa try to guilt trip and gaslight Rudolph who then starts firing lasers from his nose and making Santa run away from him in fear.

[@gollum1ring]

Haha the Christmas Shoes. Clearly, you too have learned at the feet of Lindsay Ellis.

[@MusicalHell]

+Dave Katzin Yeah, I could expound on how much that particular song sucks, but other, funnier people have done it for me.

[@MrGabeanator]

+Musical Hell that song doesn't suck and neither does show me the light from this movie

[@MrGabeanator]

+Musical Hell does it also bug you that zoeys name is supposed to be clareice

[@SuperTed19021]

I actually don't mind "Wonderful Christmas Time". Much more tolerable than "Band Aid".

[@jordans.2447]

I remember I used to watch this when I was a kid. Now that I'm older, I'm starting to look at stuff a bit more closely. Now that you mention it, I'm not sure how I didn't notice that Whoopi Goldberg's voice doesn't fit the character, and that some plot points didn't make sense. Then again, I was seven...

[@wattsink2009]

Hey! John Goodman has a good singing voice! He sang well in Frosty Returns, Blues Brothers 2000, The Jungle Book 2... ...okay no one gives him anything good to sing, but he sings it well enough.

[@SuperSwordman1]

Yeah he has a really good voice

[@ariannagorbet2239]

Don’t forget about the end credits of Monster’s Inc.

[@krinhmcfluff]

I honestly kinda liked this movie as a kid. But it's the same reason I liked balto 2. I loved drawing animals, was super young, and didn't rly have the internet yet. So this and a handful of other cartoon animal movies were my reference material

[@fairiesandlillies3471]

Whenever someone say good times animation is bad i think of dingo pictures 😂

[@EYTPS]

Kathleen Barr's voice of Rudolph reminds me of Debi Derrberry, and that's... actually not bad. It's kind of adorable, actually. Point Rudolph?

[@thenewadventuresofhenry6998]

She did the voice of Kevin in Ed Edd n' Eddy.

[@MrGabeanator]

Kathleen Barr? as in the great and powerful trixie

[@SuperSwordman1]

Yeah point Rudolph

[@joewilenzik9119]

Is it just me, or does Rudolph sound like Spike from MLP:FIM?

[@stillnotthesupreme6232]

"Except for the Christmas Shoes" THANK YOU, somebody finally said how awful that song is. Car rides during the holidays are torture with that song constantly on the radio.

[@SprinkleMyDoughnuts]

I honestly like a "Wonderful Christmas time" and loved the scene in Rudolph as a kid 😆

[@BurningEmbersX12]

I was just thinking since Stormella closed her bridge couldn't Santa have had another one built? surely the elves know how to build more then toys.

[@thenewadventuresofhenry6998]

Maybe that's the most ideal geographic spot.

[@tastyloaf5487]

I assumed it was like a runway.

[@afterdinnercreations936]

I'd like to make a Rudolph adaptation where he does his "Wont you be guide my sleigh tonight?" in the first-act, but still feels like an outsider who only served a practical-purpose. He feels he is still mocked for his nose, even though Santa sees value in him.

[@hannamills1985]

I watched this so much as a kid I remember rewinding the VHS tape and then popping it right back in the watch it again

[@VelvetCondoms]

I loath Rudolph stories. Rather than help those who ostracized him at Santa's north pole complex, Rudolph should have just said "screw all of you". Santa would attempt the run despite the weather, crash, and the other reindeer would die. The moral shouldn't be "be productive for society and you won't be as ostracized" but rather "Don't value your oppressors. Hurt them when you can.".

[@fightingmedialounge519]

That message seems rather unproductive and petty.

[@VelvetCondoms]

@@fightingmedialounge519 It's supposed to be petty. That's the point. As for unproductive, that's not an issue. Why should the ostracized give a shit about productivity that doesn't benefit them?

[@fightingmedialounge519]

@@VelvetCondoms kind of does concern him cosidering if they can't do their job Santa has no use for any of them.

[@kenthuang436]

I actually want to see a version of Rudolph where he goes full blown psycho once he realizes that Santa is just exploiting him for his own purposes and doesn’t actually respect the reindeer.

[@thegayghost872]

Why does Stormella know who Zoey is?

[@jesusrox4u]

Cause the plot says so that's why!

[@stevenmilsteen]

@@jesusrox4u still doesn't explain

[@SuperTed19021]

The writers say so. Same with the elves just go from making fun of Rudolph to accepting him in micro-seconds.

[@caseyw1288]

rudolph's mom: your father looks so handsome in a harness! jared keinman, breaking the laws of reality to insert himself into the musical: K i N k Y

[@EagleTimberWolf]

Want to know the worst part of Santa's song? John Goodman actually CAN sing. He has quite a pleasing baritone if used properly. I'm not even kidding, just listen to the opening theme from the short-lived DreamWorks show "Father of The Pride". But this is... Just... Why? ;_;

[@unorthodoxic4691]

Jokes on you! I actually LOVE Simply having a wonderful Christmas Time!

[@monstrouspegasister]

Joke's on you- I'm actually a fan of Paul McCartney, as well as that song in particular.

[@FoxloidShiroko]

i love watching people talk about this movie so much because i LOVED it when i was a super little kid (like 3 or maybe 4) but i remembered it a couple years ago and watched it again and it was like i was hallucinating it was so bad. thank you for roasting this in the flames of hell, it was a blast

[@danwilliams1989]

Wow, the animation in this special makes the original Rankin/Bass special look like something from Studio Laika.

[@olliefaye9599]

AU where Rudolph turns into JD from Heathers

[@paladinjones1833]

Santa probably would have put the three stooges on Seal Team 6... ...I want too see THAT movie!

[@theshipper5797]

Here here

[@Animefairytail-kk5ju]

My favorite song Santa has sung is ''Christmas Time Is Killing Us"

[@BeatleBabe]

Hahahaha, am I literally the only person who freaking LOVES "Wonderful Christmastime"?

[@madisongore3132]

BeatleBabe lol no! I love that song😂

[@natassiaschwandt6671]

lol I actually find the more popular Christmas songs more annoying than wonderful Christmas time

[@kenthuang436]

I like that song too!

[@williamgreci8219]

[And now, a viable rewrite of the dialogue leading into sin 7.] Stormella: Phew, thanks for saving me Rudolph. I owe you one. Literally. Rudolph: Really? Stormella: Yeah, it's part of the rules tied to my powers. I gotta grant one wish to any goody two-shoes that saves my life. So, what'll it be? Want a normal nose? Rudolph: Thanks for the offer, but I'm too used to it by this point. And I've learned to control the glow, so it only works when I want it to. And as much as I'd like to stop the blizzard and the trouble it's causing, I don't know if that would stop you from casting another one later. Stormella: Just as well. Making this one took so much power that I couldn't turn it off even if I wanted to. Rudolph: Wow, I didn't realize your grudge against Santa was that serious. I mean, what if your butler or wolves got hurt because of the blizzard? (gets an idea) Stormella, I'd like to use that wish to have you find a better outlet for your grudges. One that doesn't mess with folks not responsible.

[@kenthuang436]

Actually no one would be hurt by the blizzard because they’d all be inside where it was nice and warm. If anything that storm wouldn’t have made everyone get to know each other better and have a good time hanging out with friends and loved ones. Which isn’t actually evil and is a really nice thing to do when you think about it.

[@williamgreci8219]

@@kenthuang436 Possible. But it wouldn't help anyone caught outside when the blizzard hit.

[@kenthuang436]

@@williamgreci8219And there was no one outside when it hit because they were all literally inside helping Santa get the sleigh ready to deliver presents.

[@williamgreci8219]

@@kenthuang436 Fair enough.

[@RetroChipette]

Grew up with this movie. It came out when I was a toddler and honestly I loved it. I agree with most of your criticisms though except Wonderful Christmastime. This movie was my first exposure to the song and for some reason, it isn't heard nearly as much as other songs over here... at least, in my area. I reckon its an American thing? Because all other British people I've spoke to enjoy the song, but it seems Americans hate it. But it might be the over exposure causing so much hatred? At least we don't have Christmas Shoes or Grandma Got Ran Over by a Reindeer over here. We do, however, have Fairytale of New York and I'm sorry, but it's just so depressing to listen to... and I find little enjoyment for things that utilises the insult "faggot". I'm surprised it's still played as often as it is in this day and age.

[@goosegas2087]

Personally, I just don't care for all the marketing for Christmas. Like, the gifts are great, but do I need 15 mascots with stupid songs to boot?

[@SitaraAleu]

Bit of trivia I came across. Stormella actually DID have motivation at one point. Some deleted script material that never made it into the movie says that she hates Santa Claus because centuries ago, she was in love with him, but he chose the current Mrs. Claus over her. A bit ordinary, but certainly not a bad motivation. I can’t understand why they cut it out

[@kenthuang436]

I like to think her current motivation for hating Santa is because he never punishes anyone who does something wrong and just rewarding others for bad behavior. Stormella wanted to punish the elves that destroyed her property because they did something wrong and needed to be taught a lesson. She didn’t do anything that she never said she was going to do if anyone disobeyed her wishes, the blizzard was going to end by itself anyway and she never said it was permanent, and everyone just judged her as being “evil” which would make someone hate everyone else even more. Even when she held Zoey prisoner, Stormella explained that Zoey did something wrong by using the bridge even though Stormella said no one would be able to use it and just carrying out what she said she was going to do and the cell actually looked rather large and cozy and Zoey was in no real danger as she was still warm and not being tortured or abused in anyway. Zoey wasn’t even tied up or chained to the wall and had full mobility. If Stormella was “evil” then she would have threatened to kill Zoey and tortured her for fun.

[@SitaraAleu]

@@kenthuang436 That’s a really good point. All Stormella wanted was accountability. Santa probably could’ve negotiated some punishment labor for those two dingbats and she might very well have agreed to it. This whole movie could’ve been over before it even began. 🤣🤦‍♀️

[@kenthuang436]

@@SitaraAleuExactly. Stormella was literally the one character in the entire movie that wanted to show that not following the rules someone gives you will have consequences and even if those rules seem ridiculous, there must be a reason why they were made in the first place. Running around with scissors sounds strange to small children but if you do it, you could trip and fall on top of them and even possibly end up killing yourself. All Santa did was reward awful behavior.

[@kieranstark7213]

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[@EYTPS]

Whoa, Eric Idle was in that too. Was he just that desperate?

[@kieranstark7213]

He's one of the only positives we can say about The Secret of NIMH 2: PENIS (joke partially intended, but partially unintended because of how awful that film really is although its predecessors drove the universe by storm so favourably) to the Rescue.

[@toastdotmp3483]

the biggest mistake in this movie are the designs of the female reindeer female reindeer have antlers

[@T5ComixCartoonz]

To be fair, I believe the Rankin/Bass movie also made that mistake.

[@cfruge444]

Not even the original book itself depicted them as actual reindeer.

[@Hinatachan360]

Their body type is more like white tailed deer rather than reindeer. Real reindeer are short, cute, with stumpy legs with furry fluff around their hooves.

[@Hinatachan360]

If you've ever seen Santa Claus The Movie, his reindeer look like real reindeer.

[@Kahran042]

Presumably, that's not the Mexican Santa Claus movie where the reindeer are creepy robots, then?

[@frogchickk]

You left out one big important fact: Both Slyly and Leonard were originally voiced by Beast Wars voice actor Scott McNeill, but was replaced during post production with Eric Idle and Bob Newhart.

[@p.terodactyl6848]

You have to review Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer (2000)...trust me! You should also review the Japanese animated musical of Jack and the Beanstalk from 1974, it is among the most freaking bizarre movies ever made.

[@janebyrne6463]

I like "Wonderful Christmas Time". Yes, it's sentimental. But it's a good kind of sentimental. It wasn't the best thing McCartney composed ("Yesterday", "Hey Jude", "Maybe I'm Amazed", etc. are my favorites), but it's part of my yearly Christmas experience.

[@Shades14]

I had to listen to Wonderful Christmastime three times on my recent trip to Boise. Two of them were at the airport in the same day. The last one was a remix or cover so it wasn't that bad but still it all reminded me of this video.

[@alexisgrey3633]

This was a childhood favourite of mine so I am a little protective, but I agree Rudolph could have had more personality

[@amarikristopher8409]

I have been told Wonderful Christmas Time is a song that annoys my mom to no end cause this old store she used to work at would not stop playing the song XD

[@digifreak90]

Unpopular Opinion: I actually like "Wonderful Christmastime"

[@amityislandchum]

If this is what led to John Goodman being cast as Robot Santa in Futurama, then I will begrudgingly admit it was worth it.

[@MrLegendofLP]

Oh my god, I loved this movie as a kid. I haven't watched it in fucking forever. Can't wait to take this trip down memory lane with a new perspective!

[@lydibug4849]

"Loosely based on the Rankin-Bass adaptation" is a rather generous way to put it imo.

[@ironvlogger9712]

I like John Goodman when he's singing, although he does his best singing in Blues Brothers 2000!

[@ravenclawesome9093]

Evil icy ruler that is the tale's main antagonist. Me: The Snow Queen Movie: S t O r M e L l A Me: Gosh darnit, Movie

[@BGTitanAvatar]

Keeping my Nostalgia Goggles firmly on for this one.

[@Dreigonix]

*_WHYYYYYYYYYYY WEREN’T YOU AT ELF PRACTICE?!?!?_*

[@morganwoodring7471]

Omg it has been like 3 years since I heard that song yet I still knew all the words!!!! HOW AND WHY?!?!?!?!

[@AuraOfANobody]

I watched this movie as a kid - Iirc, had it on VHS, even. The only thing I could ever remember about it was the Wonderful Christmastime sequence. A few years back I hunted it down and gave it another viewing for the first time since I was... maybe five? And yet, despite having watched it fairly recently, to this day, Wonderful Christmastime is still the only thing I can remember about it. Well, that, and how surprisingly Bad the animation was.

[@marystone1526]

FINALLY! Someone who hates Wonderful Christmas Time as much as I do. I can deal with sappy, I can deal with fake-deep, I can deal with whatever crap the holiday season may throw my way, but this song is the worst Christmas song there'll ever be, and if it should ever stop being that, I'll probably drown myself in eggnog.

[@tinycrimester]

Are you familiar with the Canadian youtuber Phelous? he also likes to snark and explore the Good Times blackhole. :D You guys should do a crossover.

[@aletcetera9883]

My cousins and I watched this on a VHS tape in 1999 and none of them remember it and until I saw this video they had convinced me the movie never existed and it was all my imagination. I knew this shit storm really happened!

[@SunnyMeadows90]

3:30 You say the animation is terrible what about the sled well that’s CGI.

[@anouskacarstairs2982]

I don’t like the song ‘wonderful Christmas time’ or whatever it is, either.

[@ariannagorbet6674]

I listened “Wonderful Christmastime” twice before on the radio and it didn’t get stuck in my head.

[@dragons-breath2340]

Why is this movie a thing, and why did it come out in OCTOBER?

[@cartoonfan495]

Really? this is the best punishment you got pfft please (two hours later) turn it off, TURN IT OFF, TURN IT OOFF!!!!

[@DemonicRemption]

@Cartoon fan LOL! I laughed at this harder than I should have. Maybe because I've been in your shoes once... Sadly it wasn't with that song...Yet...

[@ladydnavarone3447]

The review (like most of Music Hell’s reactionaries) give a funnier side to ANYTHING she comments on - many thanks for these 💛💚💜

[@juliarivard2172]

17:53 I actually love this song!

[@colmustard42]

I saw this once when I was seven and I thought I had imagined it for years afterwards.

[@renstrange8443]

As a kid, I loved this movie (though never as much as the Rankin/Bass version). But I watched it again a couple years ago and was appalled! Everything you said is exactly right. The one thing this movie has on the Rankin/Bass version is at least this Santa is kind and not a total asshole.

[@berrypie11]

John Goodman is a good singer in my opinion. I'd rather listen to him than the cheap sounding chorus that sings in the background of most of these songs. Aside from that, though, this movie is......eh. I don't hate it, but I can't look past its flaws. The animation is definitely awkward. The songs are pretty cheesy. The only things that made me like this movie were Santa and Rudolph. Santa is really nice, and is voiced by John Goodman, who's one of my favorite actors. As for Rudolph, I can feel sorry for him and I think he's precious. That's it, though. The rest of this movie is mediocre at best. :/

[@thenewadventuresofhenry6998]

I think the animal animations are actually pretty good. Not Disney quality, but fine for an independent film. Maybe more than one team worked on this film? A serious mistake most times.

[@julesmikell4198]

i've been binging your videos lately and now i'm just wondering if this holiday season you might be doing a musical hell review of "grandma got run over by a reindeer". I asked my boyfriend if he remembered what my favorite (I know its bad but nostalgia) christmas movie was. He drew a blank but remembered the INSTANT i started sing "grandma gonna' sue the pants off of santy clause" haha

[@TheWickedMerman]

Those fairies gave me more of a Muses from Hercules vibe than the Disney fairies. They interrupt the story for narration and musical numbers. However, with the Muses, it was a homage to Greek theatre where there would be narrator characters of characters who would just stop the story to talk to the audience. Basically breaking the fourth wall. So that is part of the style of the film. As for the fairies in this movie, they are pointless and serve no purpose but to deliver some pretentious info to Rudolph.

[@noahbossier1131]

They were supposed to be his concisce but Goodtimes cut it out alongside other crucial story and confilict,

[@supermariof0521]

Am I the only one who wants to hear Thomas the Tank Engine sing "A Wonderful Christmas Time", seeing as how in the first two seasons of "Thomas & Friends" (at least in the original UK broadcast), the show was narrated by Ringo Starr?

[@CJCroen1393]

Aw, I like "Wonderful Christmastime" :( Actually, Diva's explanation kinda makes it more understandable. Something tells me she's worked in retail or waited in line having to listen to this one too many times and honestly, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy!

[@quantummelody2959]

Why does Rudolph sound like Ash from pokemon?

[@connortripp99]

Musical Hell's final boss: Wonderful Christmas Time.

[@BlueMageDaisen]

Whenever I hear that song I mostly just worry about those kids who apparently needed an entire year to remember the lyrics "Ding dong ding dong"

[@ilikecurry2345]

They also made a sequel to the Rankin-Bass version, even though we already have Rudolph's Shiny New Year up to Rudolph and Frosty's Christmas in July. Probably to do with the whole 1164 typo.

[@barbarakirk3064]

'The doe is mine...the doggone doe is mine'

[@VincentMariethe4th]

I personally dig the casting of John Goodman as Santa, if not for the fact that it's a generally warm & inviting character that suits him well, then at least for the slight irony that later on he'd loan his voice to the Evil Robotic Santa on FUTURAMA.

[@AveryakaBecky]

I 100% forgot this movie existed, glad to see it's uhh...triumphant return?

[@eatatjoes6751]

Watch Robbie the Reindeer. Watch Olive again. Hell, watch *Holidaze* which is a stop-motion ad for a sick day and Walmart only offset by how quirky it is. Just, not this. Anything but "they should have cast Candi Milo as Slyly--ooooh, what a name...only because Chalkzone showed she can pull off Brooklyn accents." the movie.

[@Kahran042]

I think that Santa overruling a judge's decision in the Reindeer Games would be like the head of state of the host country overruling a judge's decision in the Olympics.

[@flufflewarrior]

The moment when your childhood nostalgia made you remember that movie so much better then it actually is :‘D

[@kathryndodd1818]

I hate Wonderful Christmastime because of this movie. I hated this movie as a kid yet my sister made us watch it several times a month every Christmas, so I've always associated the song with the movie. A decade removed from the last time I saw it, I can now halfway tolerate the song. What a nostalgia trip.