Home on the Range: Musical Hell Review #40

[@gracejersey9558]

brilliant story: i was given the amazing opportunity to meet alan menkan with my theater group and we did a sing along. after belting out some little shop, newsies, aladdin etc with him, a kid asked him to play something from home on the range... he couldnt remember a single song. iconic.

[@Joshua_Quinzel_Isley]

I don't believe it! Even Alan finds them songs forgettable. Or was it the kid that couldn't remember one. Or was it the kid himself who couldn't remember any of the song from the movie?

[@scoutart1508]

Joshua Sage supposedly he often plays will the sun ever shine again

[@luisalonsoecheverria]

@@scoutart1508 It is the best song in the film!!

[@scoutart1508]

@@luisalonsoecheverria pity it got Oscar potential snubbed

[@MovieFan1912]

Man, you are so lucky!

[@disgruntledcashier503]

How do the cows intend to collect the reward? "Thank you for saving this town, here's the check, made out to "three cows""

[@cisalzlman]

Disgruntled Cashier it would be made out to their owner of course

[@prixe12]

@@cisalzlman How would they know who the owners are? Its not like they have tags or anything.

[@admech590]

"Thank you for saving this town, here's the check, made out to "three cows"" Me in the 1800s: HOW DARE YOU INSULT MY OVERWEIGHT AUNT'S! HAVE AT THEE!

[@kiya46107]

@@admech590 Cashier in the 1800's: Sir, those ladies aren't the cows I was referring to.

[@RogueT-Rex8468]

Spatterjay hoop lmao.

[@LaDracul]

"I gave up clown college for THIS?!" Best part of the movie.

[@jesusrox4u]

The best part for me is Wherever The Trail May Lead by Tim McGraw (one of my favorite musical performers of all time).

[@MadiBendy]

GO BUSCEMI! 😂

[@Reapermaskhybrid]

LaDracul Pretty much anybody's reaction to this crap.

[@VideoMatoran]

Clown college? Clowns need college education to be clowns?

[@herbalwolfooo5413]

@@VideoMatoran Mhm. They need to know how to crack jokes and make people laugh...

[@MrShoebox21]

Fun Fact: The original idea for this flick, according to the Disney Wiki, was that Alameda Slim was a zombie who - and I'm not kidding - wanted to run as many herds of cattle off of cliffs as possible because he was trampled to death by a stampede. The movie was going to be called "Sweatin' Bullets." If they had stuck to THAT idea and STILL made it a musical, maybe got Tim Burton to direct..."What could have been" indeed...

[@banananutduckbread1279]

I'd like to see that!

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

MrShoebox21 I'm not sure about Tim Burton directing a hand drawn Disney feature, but the outline. sounds good.

[@thecinematicmind]

MrShoebox21 Honestly if that would had happened it would had been considered an important film to not only animation but to the western genre.

[@devilovesdevil]

That sounds freaking amazing

[@KarateGirl999]

Bad or underwhelming movies become even more infuriating when you read up on what they could've been.

[@kameronbiggs5495]

You want to know the saddest thing about "Home on the Range?" It could've been a better film! The original title of the movie was "Sweatin' Bullets" and it was in the works after "Pocahontas" was made. It was about a young calf and Lucky Jack trying to get back at the ghosts of Slim and the Willie Brothers who were trampled to death and are now killing off herds of cattle in vengeance. But the people making this thought that the deaths of Slim and his gang was too gruesome and more for a PG-13 film. Bulls**t! Mufasa died from being trampled by wildebeest and you guys didn't have the have balls to kill off characters the same way but with cattle? Mufasa's death wasn't bloody and you wouldn't have had to show blood either! What do you guys think? Do you think the original idea would've been a better story than the movie now?

[@redactedredacted6656]

If they can show a person accidentally strangling himself to death and The Dip from Roger Rabbit they can hint at him being trampled to death.

[@LadyTylerBioRodriguez]

Oh, the entirety of Hunchback, if they could do Frollo this would be easy in comparison.

[@TheRoomforImprovement]

Kameron Biggs Not to mention showing people falling to their dooms (on more than one occasion), suffering a head on train collision, getting impaled by the mast of a ship, getting eaten alive by hyenas, shot to death, crushed under a rockslide, blown up by fireworks, getting crystallized followed by getting shredded by propellers, and falling INTO space. Disney had no excuse here.

[@Chimerism101]

Okay. Now I'm imagining Mufasa coming back as a zombie and massacring wildebeests across the Serengeti...

[@macncheesetv9816]

Kameron Biggs sounds a lot better

[@DisneyDork4EVA]

I'm not gonna lie, this movie is kind of a guilty pleasure for me.

[@LaineMann]

It's not even that guilty for me. Compared to some of the later shit they come up with, I actually like this

[@dominickinsella1303]

DisneyDork4EVA Same

[@himyfriends9417]

Same

[@predmoon95000]

i have too many positive childhood memories with this movie to hate it

[@littleoreo7717]

same. I enjoyed watching this movie when I was a kid

[@sonyakinsey4376]

Speaking as someone who comes from a farming background, foreclosure by the bank on your land is something you see coming way ahead of time. You don't get one letter with 3 days notice out of nowhere. You get lots and lots of letters, asking where the money is. It's just something that annoys me about these plots.

[@SuperSongbird21]

Well, just goes to show how much they ignore real life in favour of drama, doesn't it?

[@thecinematicmind]

@@SuperSongbird21 Given it’s Disney they love romanised history to a ridiculous degree.

[@PhoenixRising87]

And cows don't really talk; what's you point?

[@Delightfully_Witchy]

​@@PhoenixRising87 There's always someone who makes that stupid, stupid argument. That's not how "Willful Suspension of Disbelief" works: The movie's entire premise is built around talking cows, so people are willing to accept talking cows. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY'RE WILLING TO FORGET BASIC BANK KNOWLEDGE. What you argued was basically, "Well, people accept that the toys are alive in Toy Story, so anyone who doesn't accept that the Atlantic Ocean is filled with butterscotch pudding is being arbitrary". ONE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER, AND ANYONE ARGUING OTHERWISE IS BEING AN ASSHOLE. I don't understand why people always make that blatantly fallacious argument, and it's always for clearly lazy writing moments! No one ever defends a good movie with that moronic argument, like "How did the newspapers hear Charles Foster Kane's last words if no one was in the room?" "Well, how did the table keep stretching between him and his wife? The entire movie had a dream-like quality to it, like it could be the man's last dying dream." No no no, it's always "Wait, the bank is trying to foreclose the farm after one warning? In an age with no reliable communication and the farm is in the middle of no where, so no postal service could ever punctually get to her? What, did the bank not want money? If they were going to be this strict, why would they possibly give her an expensive loan in the first place?" "FUCK YOU, THE COWS TALK." Here, let me fix a scene in the multi-million dollar movie: "Lady, this is year two of you not paying us back and the economy is hitting all of us hard. I'm sorry but we'll need to foreclose this place, or otherwise the whole town will be ruined." Boom, two sentences and I could have easily kept it to one! So I ask you, PhoenixRising87: WHY COULDN'T THE MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR TALKING COW MOVIE ADDRESS AN EASILY FIXED MISTAKE A BITCH ON THE INTERNET HAS PATCHED UP IN SECONDS? Was it too hard for them? Editors are too expensive? Or maybe, just maybe, THEY SHAT THE MOVIE OUT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CARE.

[@Delightfully_Witchy]

Also, the cows don't even fucking talk. I mean, yes they articulate with each other, but no human in this movie is conversing with the cows, just other animals. (Different species of animals talking to each other but not humans? See, now that's an acceptable break in reality, because otherwise the movie doesn't work.) So yeah, your comment was incorrect on top of being dumb and pointless.

[@mattk.3645]

"I do not make films for children... or, at least, not primarily for children." "You're dead if you aim for kids." - Walt Disney

[@MovieFan1912]

If only some of the executives at the time paid attention to that quote.

[@Doomsday-yo7lh]

I actually liked the yodeling villain song. XD

[@BlueGuyTube]

At least it's a pretty original take on a villain song. You don't see yodeling potrayed very often (if ever), especially for a villain.

[@baldvinjonsson142]

it is most used as a joke or to fill in a sterotype but i liked this song

[@demsterclippy4252]

i liked the songs in general, however i never remembered them until now and i would never defend them anyways

[@bromodragone8405]

Yeah...

[@AbareKillerFan-yo7pe]

Me too

[@leethompson-kolar6333]

This film is slightly more enjoyable when you count the number of times human characters sustain severe brain damage and how many of those times the movie ignores how grim that is.

[@ilikecurry2345]

Both numbers match.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

But head trauma was a serious thing when it comes to death. That causes the brain to receieve such damage which leads to suffer pain and fatality . Not to mention that the guy from Hunchback Of Notre Dame brutally punched one of the guards, causing the teeth to fall out and died. This is kinda something you see on Disney that made Fight Club looks kid friendly.

[@Lovinia1]

Being punched in the face is one thing, but Being kicked by a horse is something you don’t recover from.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

@@Lovinia1 Punching in the face with strong force is something you can't recover. Also, there's numerous incident related to someone died from punching in the face due to head injuries. Beating up a person with strong force can be crossing the line when things get a lot more bloodier.

[@Lovinia1]

Mr. Friendship is not sure what you meant, but yes a punch in the face does cause a lot of damage.

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

Home on the Range didn't kill 2D animation. Disney had already decided it was going to off its 2D animation before Treasure Planet (and intentionally sabotaged its release to justify their argument). 2D animation requires the company to be more reliant on the animators, while they essentially see animating 3D as a technical skill, thus allowing them to only rely on artists for design and modeling. It's a control issue.

[@beethovensfidelio]

cheezemonkeyeater So you mean to say Disney wanted “Treasure Planet” to bomb, so they could stop doing 2D films? Sounds like a “Springtime For Hitler” deal.

[@thomashuffman3237]

Beethoven’s Fidelio I find that hard to believe, considering that they wanted to make a sequel to Treasure Planet.

[@beethovensfidelio]

Thomas Huffman Citation needed.

[@Dreigonix]

@@beethovensfidelio That’s downright criminal, considering that Treasure Planet is a goddamn masterpiece.

[@Zarastro54]

@@beethovensfidelioExcept unlike Springtime for Hitler, this worked as intended (even if Treasurer Planet was a good film).

[@amiefortman7220]

Not gonna lie--I actually kind of liked this movie when I was a dumb little kid who didn't know any better. It's really a shame that it turned out the way it did because they could have made something really clever with this plot. All clowns are on Hell's payroll, huh? Makes sense. I guess the ones at Cirque du Soleil are traitors to the cause. :D

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

I don't remember caring for this movie, but the DVD menus were pretty creative.

[@גיאקרוננפלד]

Weve all been there

[@merrittanimation7721]

I watched it a lot as a kid. I don't think I like it anymore.

[@hamishstewart5324]

The only time I really remember watching it as a kid with my brother, we switched it off halfway through and just watched ice age instead.

[@vernyulkisasszony4708]

I liked it too. It wasn't my favourite, but I thought it was enjoyable. Now I just can't really recall it... I only remember a few things...

[@lukeperkins1024]

No matter what you say about this movie, there's one thing you can't deny... The animation was really good.

[@SuperBlahmaster]

Compared to Brother Bear which came out a year earlier, Home on the Range is pretty bad visually.

[@doodledude8190]

@@SuperBlahmaster I think this is meant to look more rustic, old western ish. Also, it lends itself to be more squash and stretch for the slapstick humor. I think this movie is more comedy based than big stories and theme

[@ailish2284]

SuperBlahmaster it’s much more stylized than brother bear though it has a pretty classic Disney cartoon aesthetic vs brother bear which had designs more grounded in reality

[@EricMontreal22]

Sure the moment isn't earned, but as a song (in an otherwise mediocre score) "Will the Sun Ever Shine Again" is ace I think. Maybe Menken, who wrote it in the wake of 9/11 should have just released it as a stand alone.

[@MrGabeanator]

maybe

[@wingedmirage4226]

Agreed. I don't even like country, but I really like this song.

[@Lovinia1]

Honestly all these songs are pretty good. They’re just stuck being associated with this movie.

[@jesusrox4u]

I personally feel like the best song from the film is the one from Tim McGraw.

[@WhiteDragoon68]

I have one more gripe with this film that wasn't addressed. The only reason farm animals like pigs, goats, and cows go to a county fair to be judged (at least to my understanding) is so they can then be bought for meat consumption. So essentially, when Maggie is encouraging everyone to go to the county fair, she's luring them into a death trap. Sure, Pearl would get the money, but she also would end up with a big empty vegetable farm. Family movie!

[@m.ivyluna4632]

WhiteDragoon68 These days yes, but they used to ALSO be breeding meets. Ways for farmers to meet up to talk about and arrange breedings with other farmers. A way to show off your own stalk so that you could breed better animals You kept alive the better fit animals for breeding and used the less then optimal for food. So often the prize winning pig would be spared death (at least for awhile) because they would become a breeder. Losers were often sold there though as fairs were a community event. So you could go to fair and buy a live animal for food. With dna tracking and pedigrees now though breeding for better animals has all but died. Replaced by breeding for breed standards. So its still dark. They are talking about going to fair basically in hopes of winning and then becoming breeders.

[@MovieFan1912]

“You know, for kids!” -Nostalgia Critic

[@kaiser8659]

You know that'd be an interesting direction if they ran with that

[@AllyGatorAnimator]

It's also a trope in stories about farm animals that the county fair is where they go to get some recognition rather than the more common reason (e.g. Charlotte's Web and So Dear to My Heart have the characters go to the fair and it's basically the moment everybody goes "this animal is pretty darn neat" even if they don't win the medal), so I guess they just went with that. The idea of them being lured off to become breeders by Roseanne cow is HILARIOUS though.

[@isobelmiller7464]

Wait a minute...A goof, a proper, up-tight neat freak in a goofy hat, and a jerk are trying to get money, and there's a lot of slapstick...HOLY CRAP, THIS IS ED, EDD N' EDDY WITH BARN ANIMALS!!!!!!! This is what people who hate Ed, Edd n' Eddy think it is. I have a theory that this whole movie is just Rolf's fever dream.

[@mtoni93]

Rolf: (waking up in a sweat) "I just had the weirdest dream about the ed boys"

[@isobelmiller7464]

@@mtoni93 Afterwards, Rolf writes down the dream in his dream log. Wilfred comes along, rips the page out of the book, and tries to eat it. Rolf fights with him over it, the paper rips apart, and the part Rolf has flies away, and is found by some hack working at Disney Studios. The son of a shepherd has doomed us all.

[@diggerfan9319]

Ed, Edd & Eddy is much better than this cow feces!

[@ilikecurry2345]

Speaking of hatred of this show, I remember my sister saying she hated it. It turns out she had only pretended to hate it, because my grandmother hated it as well; her actual opinions on the show are okay-ish, I guess.

[@isobelmiller7464]

@@ilikecurry2345 O...kay. Thank you for...sharing that.

[@vladi569]

I don´t think only Lilo and Stitch was good ... I actually liked also Atlantis: The Lost Empire

[@DWAkhaten]

+vladi569 I'm a Brother Bear guy, and I know there are people out there that love Treasure Planet.

[@LadyTylerBioRodriguez]

I like Atlantis, though I fully get why it bombed. It had some really good side characters and some really impressive animation. Its not perfect, but it deserved a better fate.

[@munromister777]

Honestly, I think everything between the Disney Renaissance and the Second Disney Renaissance is good except for Fantasia 2000 (mediocre. Could've been a lot better without the live actions hosts blurting in after every single segment), Home on the Range (pretty terrible), and Chicken Little (absolute garbage, and my least favorite movie of all time).

[@thecinematicmind]

vladi569 and Treasure Planet

[@mcwyman7928]

Lilo and Stitch, Treasure Planet and Bolt were the only genuinely good movies from that time. Atlantis has great animation and side characters, but is kind of boring overall. Home on the Range is kind of a guilty pleasure for me. It's not good, but it has some jokes that work. Chicken Little is utter garbage, and not even the fun kind. The kind that hurts. Brother Bear has a great beginning and ending, but gets pretty obnoxious in the middle. And Meet the Robinsons is okay. I found it kind of boring and kind of cliche even as a kid. Definitely Disney's least consistent era as far as quality. Before Lasseter took over, it was an uncertain time...

[@toyland_f]

Buscemi's character: I gave up clown college for This! Me: No, you gave it up for Adam Sandler movies!

[@edwardt2396]

I normally hate when people do this, but your profile pic... "High functioning sociopath, with your number."

[@AllyGatorAnimator]

Luckily he managed to get back into other work a few years later with "Boardwalk Empire," "Electric Dreams" and "Death of Stalin." Those were pretty fantastic.

[@MrGabeanator]

Toyland Flores ooh burn

[@tastyloaf5487]

So happy about Boardwalk Empire ... Always loved Buscemi. He deserved a chance to show off his acting chops.

[@gabe_s_videos]

Fun fact: the line "Yeah, they're real, quit staring" is the ONLY reason this movie has a PG rating. Well, they earned it, I guess. XD

[@jackiegonzalez6814]

Gabriel Schleifer even the audio commentary mentions that.

[@PhoenixRising87]

After Frozen's "foot size" joke...I don't want to hear it.

[@emilyryan4026]

I agree with the whole not developing the characters, but I did always kinda feel bad during the rain scene. Shes just an old lady with some chubby little animals and they dont wanna move, and I can relate to that.

[@yoboibeerus1387]

Other than having no motivation to do so, have a bad pace that goes WAY too slow, other than the movie wants us to care for the most hateable group, other than having no purpose, other than makes no sense... If you overlooking that, than the scene is well done!

[@janebyrne6463]

I personally would love to see Disney (or some other studio) release a 2-D animated feature that isn't a tie-in for a TV series (like My Little Pony: The Movie, which I liked by the way). The continuing success of Animes like Spirited Away (or 2-D animated art films like Persepolis) should indicate that there is still a market for cel animation in Western cinema. It's a matter of supply and demand.

[@davekendall5936]

They might, with Hullabaloo. You can always look at overseas, or independent animated films. Heck, there's even a crowdfunded project known as Window Horses!

[@davekendall5936]

+Jane Byrne Actually, I think Disenchanted is going to have a hand-drawn animated first act, and a live-action second and third act. It's a sequel to Enchanted, and I'm looking forward to it.

[@collaterale1]

@Katie Lewis Then Klaus came out, and is good. Maybe we can see the return of 2D movies in the future.

[@jackmonaghan8477]

Say what you want about Kathleen Kennedy, but she's apparently all in on Disney making 2D animated movies again.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

​@@jackmonaghan84772 years later and oof

[@ztslovebird]

Steve Buscemi gave the only funny line in this movie. And I bet it wasn't scripted.

[@diggerfan9319]

Sadly even Steve Buscemi couldn't save this movie.

[@PhoenixRising87]

This is changing the subject, but does anyone else wonder if every character Steve Buscemi voices is contractually obligated to...kinda look like him?

[@metademetra]

12:48 YES! Thank you! I was always confused by this as a kid! “You’re the worst thing to happen to this farm!” WHY?! The bank was already foreclosing by the time Maggie got there! And she’s been doing nothing but trying to help a farm she hadn’t even been at for 24 hours! And that’s trumped by what? The character being generally annoying?!

[@hwtvi3466]

It’s bad when a character has been annoying for almost the entire movie, and yet the one time the movie tries to call them out, it somehow manages to make you sympathize with said annoying character more.

[@waterfairy555]

I can see the song "Patch of Heaven" a guilty pleasure songs for me. Not the best song from Disney, but better than that yodeling cowboy!

[@IdeaBox-dk5vj]

The cast of "Woody's Roundup" would like to make a peace offering.

[@oliviaclove4582]

"All clowns are demons in disguise. I thought that was common knowledge by now." I laughed longer at that then I should have XD

[@goldblaze93]

+Amalia Kelso My sister would agree to that. :)

[@GabyGeorge1996]

As would pennywise

[@ZoanBlade90]

Olivia Clove Given what I know about Gamzee by now...yeah, that's accurate.

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Tell that to Boffo.

[@SuperSongbird21]

@@jeremyusreevu237 Don't forget Ronald McDonald!

[@MetFanMac]

The "joke" about Maggie's udder was literally added for the sole purpose of garnering a PG rating.

[@gageperuti5519]

And yet Hunchback, which literally has a song titled "Hellfire", is rated G. Logical.

[@jackiegonzalez6814]

MetFanMac the audio commentary on the dvd mentioned that.

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Sure. That's the best example from Hunchback of something that isn't G rated.

[@RobBob6197]

One of the directors of this film also directed "Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return". Oh, so that's why that movie sucked .3. Edit: Welp, seems that this commentary has not aged well at all. I'm sure that Will Finn is a good guy and that it wasn't his fault that both movies he directed didn't turned out so well.

[@MaggieOffutt]

That explains A LOT

[@MrGabeanator]

+Rob Bob hey Will Finn is a great guy

[@MrGabeanator]

precisely

[@MaggieOffutt]

+Rachel Isakowitz (ofrah1) he was? Welp I guess he sank pretty deep with Oz

[@MrGabeanator]

no I don't think so

[@neilyoungboy]

I honestly think that this movie needed the team from the Emperor's New Groove.

[@Slartibartfass13]

I'll give them this: The "Clown college" line kinda made me laugh. I guess even the worst movie gets one.

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Yeah, even Good Luck Chuck, one of the worst comedies ever made, has 2 funny moments.

[@KrazyKelor]

Sweet Lucifer, do Balto II: Wolf Quest. That is a guh-loriously bizarre musical followup to a non-musical.

[@kirara2516]

KrazyKelor still far better than the 3rd one imho

[@גיאקרוננפלד]

So basecly every don bluth sequel

[@morganyoung3557]

KrazyKelor I hate it when I non musical movie gets a musical sequel, a good example being all of the sequel movies to The Land Before Time. The first movie was amazing and not a musical, yet the sequels are musicals that are mediocre at best.

[@thomashuffman3237]

kirara2516 I agree. The third movie was fucking BORING!!

[@-rizen]

“Busting a moo” You mean a N U T ?

[@thomashuffman3237]

leo it's supposed to be a play on the term "bust a move". And the pun isn't even remotely funny.

[@MyraValhalla]

I loathe this movie, although in defence of the yodel song, it is the best thing in this whole sh*t show

[@98953812]

Catherine Fennell True; it was kind of catchy. :P

[@andrewollmann304]

Best Disney acid sequence!

[@timothymclean]

On one hand, it provides a window into how Alameda could have been an effective villain, especially in the beginning of the song. Alameda pulls off some genuine menace for a moment, before contrasting that with silliness that still accomplishes his goals. If they had managed his menace better and shaved some of his sheer incompetence off, Alameda could have had the same sinister silliness that many Joker incarnations have (just more Disnified and Western). On the other hand...something like 15% of the song's comprehensible lyrics are fat jokes.

[@sevenguardians7517]

Only real memorable part of this movie

[@crypticmrchimes]

I would willingly enjoy their punishment so long as Ms. Lovett is catering the human characters.

[@bendalymckenna6271]

Matthew Bradley She will be!

[@Garyfan2001]

R.I.P. 2D Animated Films in Theaters (atleast very often) 1939-2004

[@thecinematicmind]

Sean S It’s a painful tragedy in the American film industry that happened.

[@davekendall5936]

Lil' Kitten Disney's final 2D film was 2011s Winnie The Pooh

[@jesusrox4u]

Snow White was released in 1937 so it would’ve been 1937-2004.

[@eoghanfeighery7383]

@@davekendall5936 I'd say Spider Verse in 2018 is the resuscitator.

[@blapis-blazuli]

When the original pitch for this movie was titled Sweating Bullets, Alameda Slim was a cattle rustler who was trampled to death by a rushing herd of cattle and returned from the dead to get his revenge. Disney deemed that to be "too dark," and the end result feels like they went too far in the opposite direction for his character.

[@LadyPhoenix7777]

I... actually like the song “Patch of Heaven”. It sounds peaceful and sweet, which matches the name.

[@CeltycSparrow]

You know what I just realized? This movie is a hacked up version of Lilo and Stitch. Its the exact same story, with a few changed details. A stranger (Maggie in this story/Stitch in the other) comes in to find a desperate situation (this one, they are losing their farm, in Lilo and Stitch, Lilo is being taken away from her sister) they both go on an adventure to try and save themselves which fails, they both get separated from their loved ones with a heartbreaking song and in the end, it is an epic battle and the strangers (Maggie and Stitch) are brought into the family fold. Only Lilo and Stitch did it MUCH BETTER and there were actual emotions. It may not have garnered an Oscar or a Golden Globe as was true with other Disney classics, but the animation was stunning, the characters were MUCH more developed and they actually had a good, heartfelt story that entwined their theme of family with the essence of the Hawaiian culture. When Stitch says goodbye to Lilo, you can feel their pain because the storytellers took the time to give them a strong friendship first. Same with the bond between the two sisters....they may not have always gotten along, but there were some very heartfelt moments with them in the movie so when Mr. Bubbles comes to take Lilo you feel Noni's pain. In this one, the characters are so busy snarling at each other that you don't really care what happens when one of them leaves or when they make up because they don't really give you a REASON to care.

[@jesusrox4u]

Dear Diva, I'm proud of you for helping xxJesseWorldxx out. I feel the way you feel. You're one of the many influences I've had for wanting to get into the reviewing business.

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

Sooooo . . . him just wanting to own the entire territory and all its properties needed a revenge motivation? They didn't think greed was a reasonable enough motivation?

[@isobelmiller7464]

I used to have this Disney sticker book, which contained stickers and activities involving the stickers, relating to several different Disney movies, including this one (It also had sections with activities relating to some much better Disney movies, like Winnie the Pooh and The Little Mermaid) One of the activities relating to this movie stated that Grace doesn't have an ear for music. I remember, as a three year old, I looked at the Grace sticker, and thought: "What? But she does have ears"

[@tsifirakiehl4250]

I think I had that same sticker book!

[@angeloffish]

“Tell that to this guy”. I know. I love his work. His movies are stunning. So much detail. I love 2D animation. There is just something about it. They also worked on a film with another studio called The Red Turtle where the characters don’t speak to each other, and yet you can understand them. How the characters feel comes across in how they act and their body language. And it takes place over years. Not many films can do that.

[@juagguproductions9713]

Personally I see patch of heaven as more as an animal sanctuary rather than a working farm.

[@h193013]

I hear a lot of people hate on Frozen, I think this will make them appreciate it

[@brendis16851]

To be honest, Frozen isn't garbage as many people make it out to be, but isn't Disney's greatest work, either. Despite its flawed story and the characters could have been better, is a more enjoyable movie than Home on the Range.

[@PhoenixRising87]

It doesn't for me. At least this movie has cute animals to look at instead of that creepy-ass snowman. I also think it has a similar problem for me that this movie had for Diva; I disliked the main characters so much that I genuinely gave zero fucks about what happened to them. Hans, the character we got beaten over the head with that we were supposed to hate during the last 15 minutes of the movie, took care of the kingdom in the two dumbass royals' absence, and there's no reason to believe he would be anything but a benevolent ruler. Yeah, he lied to Anna and tried to kill Elsa, but...again, I just didn't care, because I hated both of them. (and don't anyone jump down my throat about how Elsa had mental problems; I do, too, but you can't use that as an excuse for shirking your responsibilities)

[@LaineMann]

Lol no. This movie is way better

[@EYTPS]

I'm surprised you didn't make an IT joke in this review since you talked about demon clowns a fair bit

[@98953812]

EYTPS WA-HAH!! WA-HAH!! WA-HAH!! WA-HAH!!!

[@EYTPS]

Brian Humerez Duh, that's an obvious one

[@becuaseimbored3481]

Thank you for sin #1 , I desperately miss 2d animation and I hope Disney will use it again soon .

[@becuaseimbored3481]

also thanks for the Milan clip , that movie is a virtual pick-me-up.

[@emilymcmahan7630]

I mean, for movies. Not just their TV shows

[@gageperuti5519]

I'd love that too. 3D animation is fine, but the characters always look off. Their heads are way too big. Sadly, it doesn't seem likely.

[@PhoenixRising87]

But is that really a reason to hate this movie? It's like people who hate Teen Titans Go because Young Justice got canned to make room for it. You have a right to be upset, but it's not really the movie's (or show's) fault.

[@clearcat7296]

I honestly gave a small chuckle when the land in the exact shape of the guys head was revealed. Even the bad movies can still have a small thing thats humorous in it.

[@thema1998]

"Home on the Range" has good animation. That has to count for something! 😅

[@chupacadabra5161]

And the villain was pretty fun.

[@connorrivers995]

When it comes to the music, I blame the lyricist Glenn Slater. Howard Ashman worked with Alan Menkin on Little Shop of Horrors, Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast, Tim Rice (who worked with Menkin on Aladdin) had previously written the lyrics for Jesus Christ Superstar, Evita and Chess (and would go on to do The Lion King and Aida), and the lyricist of Hunchback of Notre Dame was Stephen Schwartz, who had worked on Leonard Bernstein's Mass and Hirson and Fosse's Pippin (and would go on to do Prince of Egypt, Wicked and Enchanted). Sure, Slater would work with Minkin on Sister Act: The Musical and Tangled, but this is also the same guy that did the lyrics for Love Never Dies.

[@Thatdumbgremlin]

That goofy yell effect fit better in this movie than it did in The Hunchback of Notre Dame.

[@becuaseimbored3481]

True story: when I was little my idea of TV was just watching movies over and over ( mom and dad thought cartoons At the time were a bad influence ) and one of the trailers in one the DVD'S (before the main menu ) that I frequently watched was a trailer for "home on the range " . now, little me was a big fan of Cowboys (the wild west) as well as mermaids and (at the time) Dora . so seeing the trailer for "home on the range " of course made me want to see it . I never saw the movie , and only until seeing this video do I realise how lucky I was for never seeing that peice of trash .

[@kaitlinowens2714]

You one you think about it, there actually might be a good reason why patch of heaven is a dairy and produce farm. While it’s never stated Pearl is probably a widow and probably brought the farm with her husband. So of course she’s doesn’t want to lose the farm or sell the animals for meat, after losing her husband they are probably the closest thing she has to a family, especially Mrs Hallaway and Grace who, as the pictures during the sad scene show, she raised since they were calves and are probably the closest things she has for children, especially if her own have moved far way or for what ever reason were not able to have children with her late husband. If you want my opinion Grace and Mrs Hallaway should have just been the main characters wanting to save the farm for the woman who was their adopted mother. To add sweetness when ever they talk (though she wouldn’t be able to understand) to and about her they call different titles for mother (for example Mrs Hallaway calls her mother and Grace calls her mama or mum).

[@mollyencrypted2488]

That sounds like a great angle.

[@kaitlinowens2714]

Thank you

[@cfanimate7303]

Hm, this movie's music is good enough, I guess. Let's see which lyricist Alan Freakin' Menken is working with here... GLENN SLATER! Why is it that name keeps popping up when I feel (as a layperson, admittedly) the music is lacking a certain something?

[@sesfilmsllc]

CFAnimate TEEEEN YEEEEEAAARS OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD.

[@gageperuti5519]

@@sesfilmsllc OH GOD!

[@rachelmcquade8910]

I actually like the characters of Grace and Mrs Calloway, the film would have been a lot better if it was about them without Maggie or Buck

[@steamboatwill3.367]

i agree,

[@gibbcharron3469]

Personally, my assumption was always that Grace couldn't be hypnotized because she was already kind of off in her own world.

[@snarkus63]

Thank you for acknowledging that Michael Eisner was partly responsible for the Disney Renaissance....in his final days there,it was like everybody just forgot that.

[@Tornado1994]

+snarkus63 Frank Wells was mostly.

[@lilliedoubleyou3865]

Actually... after watching various special feature commentaries and the documentary *Waking Sleeping Beauty*, I think a very good case could be made that (at least, the formula of the animated musical with a theatre-treatment plot progression) the major architect of the Disney Renaissance was Howard Ashman.

[@Tornado1994]

Amelia Doubleyou And Wells.

[@LadyTylerBioRodriguez]

Great to see someone also saw that amazing documentary. My take away was that it was a mix of everyone, Eisner included. The fact it all started to fall apart when Wells died and Katzenberg left points to that even more. Though I will say, people really don't talk enough about Wells and Ashmen, man I would kill to live in a universe where both of them were still around. Who knows what could have changed. Also I recommend the book Disney War for even more information about the politics of Disney after 1994.

[@lilliedoubleyou3865]

Tyler Bioshock R It was a fascinating documentary, that's for sure. The only person who doesn't really come across all that positively is lil' Jeffrey. Thanks for the rec about DISNEY WAR; I'm actually trying to find a book about the pre-1994 Disney years (so basically the same *WSB* timeline)

[@cloudyquartz1825]

new to your channel, and i gotta say i LOVE winding down after work by marathoning these videos while i eat dinner. great stuff!

[@mysticalkeyblade759]

This is one of my favorite movies. I saw it with my mom and it’s definitely underrated. The villain song is perfect

[@MusicalswithCheese]

Diva, if there's a reason why I officially quit doing videos, it'll be because of your videos! You do essentially what I do, except so much more intelligent, better edited, and altogether higher quality than mine. With someone as amazing as you creating musical review content, I'm no longer needed! Your videos continue to be amazing!

[@MusicalHell]

+xXJessWorldXx Okay, you are NOT allowed to quit because you think I'm doing a better job than you are. YOU are one of the reasons I decided to do this in the first place! You are awesome and never let anybody, especially yourself, tell you otherwise! (Hey subscribers, see that guy up there? He's a great guy. If you're not following him, you should be.)

[@MrGabeanator]

+Musical Hell hey diva will the sun ever shine again was inspired by 9/11 does that mean anything to you

[@MusicalHell]

+MrGabeanator It means that in art, inspiration and intention (regardless of how noble) are not necessarily indicators of quality. And that the song would probably be more effective sung at a respectful memorial than accompanying images of sad cows.

[@MrGabeanator]

+Musical Hell true

[@navahzuller5707]

+xXJessWorldXx Please don't quit!! Your videos are great! :)

[@spencerfrankclayton4348]

The animation is really cute, and you can see the film had potential, but the writers got lazy. I always liked Buck, though!!

[@kirjom2505]

can you review these: - Kazaam (1996) - Tom and Jerry: The Movie (1992) - Lorax (2012) - Rock-a-Doodle (1992)

[@Tornado1994]

+Merete Nora Rock-A-Doodle came out in 1991.

[@redactedredacted6656]

The Lorax is a piece of shit.I'd love to see Diva eloquently explain why.

[@georgevaltom2015]

I dislike the Lorax both because of the bad musical numbers, and both because it really REALLY messed up the original source material. The short animation was far better.

[@kieranstark7213]

Great news!!! Diva DID do Musical Hell episodes on The Lorax (2012) and Rock-A-Doodle!!!

[@vadifadoms]

That Tom and Jerry movie was a musical?

[@StephEmra]

at least the male cows don't have udders like in barnyard (:

[@PhoenixRising87]

The bulls with udders in Barnyard are transgender. Don't @ me.

[@nickcopeland6915]

Ann Richards, the former Governor of my state, voiced the saloon owner.

[@TrueBuddhaCat]

All I can say for this movie(yes I can call this movie, unlike "Chicken Little".....we never speak of that, not even Disney does); yes this was a low point for Disney Animation but considering their recent trail of hit animated movies, I think Disney wants to makes sure not to go through this again, so long as they have great writers, directors, animators, etc.

[@thethunderfan2182]

This is my opinion. If you are a Home on the Range fan I recommend you don't read this. This movie truly deserves to be forgotten, the plot makes no sense, the characters are stale, and the songs are annoying. The only plus is the animation. What pisses me off even more is that the plot that was originally going to be used was scrapped. In my opinion, Home on the Range deserves to be underrated, unlike Meet the Robinsons. Meet the Robinsons deserves more attention because it actually has a good message. IRYO if you like Home on the Range and if you hate Meet the Robinsons.

[@isobelmiller7464]

Dude, "underrated" refers to a show or movie that is really well put together, but doesn't really get the attention it deserves. Home On The Range does not deserve any attention, because of how bad it is. Even if it didn't get any attention, it wouldn't deserve it.

[@ilikecurry2345]

Gee, that's an awful lot of words to say "this sucks". And like that other guy said, you misused "underrated", which means "good, despite poor sales".

[@animagusurreal]

One of the things that bugs me most about this movie is how it can't decide whether it's a musical or not. As I mentioned in my review from a few years ago, the characters dance along with the “Patch of Heaven” number, so obviously they can hear it - why aren't they singing to it as well?! This was especially disappointing to me when this movie came out, because it was the return of Alan Freakin' Menken (I once referred to him that way as well - I think “freakin'” just goes really well with his surname). The only song actually sung by a character is played as a joke. Then came this quote from co-director John Sanford, shortly after “Frozen” was released: "...[We] just watched Frozen. This was a tough one for me, because I hate singing in movies, but ultimately, I liked it a lot." That explained a lot...

[@animagusurreal]

Although I must admit, I do like all the songs, and occasionally find myself singing them (Yes, even the yodeling song). I was going to say Menken can do no wrong, but then I remembered that song from "Cartoon All Stars to the Rescue"...

[@PhoenixRising87]

@@animagusurreal [has PTSD flashback...which they then fix by vaping some CBD).

[@kimlechman5856]

This is by far my least favorite Disney movie! Yes, I know Chicken Little was bad too, but at least it TRIED! This movie that almost killed hand drawn animation never tried!

[@AllyGatorAnimator]

Did Chicken Little try? It's been a while since I've seen it and I genuinely can't remember any redeeming qualities from it at all (probably because I hated it so much the first time I've completely disregarded it ever had any signs of effort :P)

[@mcwyman7928]

Chicken Little was far worse than this. It is the ugliest looking Disney film ever, and I don't think I ever laughed once in that movie. It also had some genuinely terrible characters and role models for kids. This movie at least had SOME salvageable material. "Will The Sun Ever Shine Again" is a pretty good song, even though this movie doesn't deserve it. And some of the jokes work. Most of them involve Grace.

[@sunspotmill1291]

I'm probably one of the rare few to find this movie as least favorite in the canon, and would like to forget about the most too. Sure, Chicken Little also has its problems, but I do found it to be somewhat of a guilty pleasure for me by comparison. Both movies were poor attempts at beating Dreamworks in their game after all.

[@jeremyusreevu237]

@@mcwyman7928 Mars Needs Moms.

[@PhoenixRising87]

[inhales deeply] ....did it, though? Did Chicken Little actually try? At least this film has colorful animation and some nice background music. When it comes to characters who are too unlikable to care about, Chicken Little rules the roost (pun very much intended). Hell, the *villain* of this movie is less unlikable than Buck Cluck (at least we're not *supposed* to sympathize with him!). Plus, as others have said, Chicken Little is UGLY. It's not an attractive movie. The one good thing to come out of Chicken Little was that Barenaked Ladies song (which I still listen to constantly).

[@monkeymouse]

Not even two minutes in and you give a shout-out to Hayao Miyazaki! BRAVO!

[@Stephen-Fox]

I'd argue that slapstick has more requirement for timing and rhythm than comedy in general - With slapstick, we all know what's going to happen, so timing is basically all the performers and writers have to work with to make it funny.

[@SailorSabol]

I absolutely loved this as a toddler. But I didn't remember much about it...

[@pinkiemeowstic89]

I find it mystifying that they didn't think to tweak Snuff Out the Light for the Emperor's New Groove's final plot, but kept "We Have Pink Elephants on Parade at Home".

[@graphitetailgrace3870]

Can I ask something? Why was Maggie affected by Slim's singing during the villain song instead of when the rest of her original herd was stolen? She would've had to have been immune the first time to have been the only cow left.

[@tsifirakiehl4250]

The movie actually does explain that. Maggie was a prize-winner at her old farm, so she was being housed separately from the rest of the cattle, and Slim didn’t get to her.

[@argonaut640]

18:14 Oh my gosh it's a Gun! It's a gun in a Disney movie! I thought they didn't have guns anymore in Disney animated movies. Or am I thinking of smoking?

[@AxioProductions]

Austin Argo Tarzan and Atlantis showed a real gun

[@ilikecurry2345]

Don't forget about the early days, when they would show characters with cigars.

[@patriciomejia1114]

"All clowns are demons in disguise." Ha, I knew it.

[@MeganKoumori]

The director on this movie, Will Finn, is also credited as the director of "Legends of Oz." Surprised? I wasn't!

[@kieranstark7213]

He might be someone who puts people that make animation look like the medium it is below him in real life if he made overappreciated films like these.

[@koimonsterkhaos6329]

Animal Farm: the 4kids version.

[@Eviltwin531]

11:28 Diva: Says she'd be interested in watching the original plot of the big, greedy, land-grubbing windbag with an inexplicable ability to hypnotize livestock and awful orange hair leading an army of brainwashed cattle to storm government buildings in DC. Me, post 1/6/21: This has not aged well.

[@MusicalHell]

When you put it that way....

[@PhoenixRising87]

That's not the half of it; you should see Randy Quaid's (the villain's VA) social media these days...dude was probably there on January 6th and no one realized it.

[@MovieFan1912]

He’s never gonna be president now, one less thing for you to worry about!

[@LaineMann]

@@PhoenixRising87 I…. I don’t think I want to

[@Rubicubist]

Hey Diva, speaking of Alan Menken, what are your thoughts on little shop of horrors, both the musical and the film?

[@MusicalHell]

+Alex Kulak (The Rubicubist) Little Shop is brilliant. The movie is one of the few decent live-action musical films out of the 80s-90s dark age (even with the revised ending).

[@MrGabeanator]

+Musical Hell I love to hear a commentary on this

[@MrGabeanator]

+Musical Hell big miyazaki fan?

[@MrGabeanator]

+Musical Hell are you a fan of tangled?

[@eoghanfeighery7383]

@@MusicalHell What about the Mean Girls musical?

[@LchanOtakudom]

I admit, when I first watched this movie back in the day, the villain song took me COMPLETELY by surprise, and I was more impressed at the animation and the fact that the voice actor could yodel! That... was literally all I could remember about this movie, honestly!

[@pinkiepoolgamerbrony2789]

I gave up Clown Collage For This? Yeah best line of the movie

[@AbareKillerFan-yo7pe]

1:07 Not anymore, the main characters will appear in the 100 Anniversary short

[@timothymclean]

A few more discouraging words about Alameda's villain yodel: It manages to cram three fat jokes into the twenty or so non-yodeling lines of the song. (And they're all about the size of his pants/butt, despite the fact that that's the _narrowest_ part of his frame.)

[@itsgonnaBmay]

I only remember this film because I sprained my ankle walking into the cinema to watch it

[@h193013]

I will admit an animated Wild West by Disney sounds interesting, maybe Pixar could try to make one but with cowboys

[@MrGabeanator]

h193013 well they already have 2

[@h193013]

MrGabeanator What are they? Toy Story?

[@MrGabeanator]

h193013 uh yeah

[@stefanfilipovits9221]

Another awesome video! I love your channel. Please keep it up. I'd love to see your take on Pocahontas or Hercules.

[@harrietamidala1691]

+Stefan Filipovits Despite being the weakest films of the Disney Renaissance, I actually really like Pocahontas and Hercules. I agree on their flaws, but I still find them enjoyable. Pocahontas was actually the very first film I ever saw in theaters as a kid, so there's that special connection, and Hercules is a lot of fun, despite basically being an Aladdin rip-off. James Woods' Hades is the best part.

[@Kumaclaws]

The only thing I remember about this film in the slightest was that at daycare I got my finger stuck under one of the little figurines of Rosanne Cow

[@justanotherhappyhumanist8832]

I tried to watch this movie once and couldn't make it past the first five minutes. I appreciate all the work you've done on this video! I shudder to think how many times you had to watch this abomination of a film. After putting such effort into your videos, you definitely earned my subscription! I'm not even half-way through my first video of yours, and I've already clicked that subscribe button! Well done....i can't believe you managed to make an interesting video about Home on the Range! Now THAT takes talent, lol.

[@injunweeb1973]

Did you know that Alameda slim was a metaphor of Walt Disney that is buying everything.

[@PhoenixRising87]

You made that up!

[@SitaraAleu]

The Little Patch of Heaven song always bugs me. I've been out west (which is actually in the south, so I've never understood why people call it the west.) And I'm sorry, but unless you like and I mean really ADORE flat, endless, dry as a bone rolling plains and prairies with a better chance of drought than rain, it is dull as dishwater down there. Patch of Heaven for some, absolute nightmare for others, myself included. Give me stormy Lake Michigan anyday

[@trixxartarchive7705]

Ironic that Disney would make a much better animated horse in Tangled 6 years later.

[@Mock_demo]

Remember sleeping over at a friends house home sick and this movie was playing on vhs and it made me feel better

[@TheHeroOfTomorrow]

Ah, how the tables have turned--I reviewed this one in my early days, and now you get to experience it like I experienced Romeo and Juliet: SWAK. I'd say these characters would be better off as burgers, but chances are they'd be just as tasteless.

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

Nah, just throw a lot of BBQ Sauce on top, that will fix the problem! I consider this Part 1 of Disney's Dark 2000's Era Trilogy. Part 2 would be Chicken Little, their first attempt at CG Animation without Pixar and that gave them the money but critics didn't really care for it. Part 3 would be Highschool Musical which started the tween bop crap where stuff like Hannah Montana & Jonas pushed Mickey's crew to the sidelines and they had a smaller focus on animation. I think the 2010's really showed Disney returning to their good roots because quality films like Wreck It Ralph, Frozen & Zootopia had great care and seem to make up for that bad era of teen sitcoms & popstars.

[@bettyjojoeharperre-imagina7322]

Ahem, tangled.

[@jazzdaddycriticisms7049]

When Jennifer TIlly's cow character sings Home on the Range in this movie, she pretty much sings what would be the equivilent to the barbershop baritone part to any song.

[@KBAFourthtime]

Speaking of your being glad Roseanne wasn't the one doing the lousy singing... I'm with Maggie and Mrs. Calloway on this one! How bad Grace is at singing, wouldn't you say? (On the other hand, her tone-deafness is beneficial in one sort of way.)

[@snoopabop3439]

i really like the animation and most of the character designs in this movie. it’s a shame it’s so stupid lmao

[@jaygooese4242]

This movie existed because of 💰

[@tales-of-fossegrim]

maybe its just my rose colored nostalgia glasses, but i fucking love this movie...or loved as a child. maybe i should watch it again with a new set of thoughts.

[@strongrex2615]

17:02 That's EXACTLY how I feel about Action in the second act of West Side Story! It's one of the many reasons I consider the movie to be far better than the stage show.

[@BovineDesigns]

I couldn't remember if this was a movie or a dream I had when I was little.

[@isobelmiller7464]

You should see the comment I left in this very section.

[@willlyon7129]

Do I find it ironic that the character who looks and sounds like the hero turns out to be the villain in this movie, that would be in latter Disney movies like Frozen and Coco.

[@janmikhailgaid4562]

Atlantis, Monsters Inc. and Toy Story 2 did it before Home on the Range.

[@maxmcelhannan7477]

i enjoyed home on the ranch as a child i had it on dvd and would watch repeatedly