Rugby's Most Controversial Refereeing Decisions! #5

[@AithlynC]

Less music, more commentary, please. And I'm saying that as someone who really likes the bass on Californication.

[@seancurragh8087]

Nigel owens first one is absolutely correct

[@seancurragh8087]

Who ever put this video together clearly doesn't know what they r talking about they think they r watching soccer

[@AndrewDavidForde]

@@seancurragh8087 I LOVE SOCCER PLEASE DONT BE MEAN

[@Aviation-vn7ko]

Sean Curragh Looked accidental, penalty and yellow card can agree with, don’t rly see how it was a penalty try

[@SylvanApe]

@@Aviation-vn7ko Because if, as the last defender you commit a foul, the rules say the ref has to decide what would have happened if that defender had not existed at all during the incident. If white 10 was never there, then red 13 would have caught the ball unopposed and scored a try.

[@2714david]

@@seancurragh8087 shut up ya wee virgin

[@headintheclouds6935]

I dont see anything controversial about the first call. He batted it out of bounds intentionally which is illegal

[@Karma-qt4ji]

True. But same applies to a couple of them.

[@kopkl1]

I understand a yellow there but not a penalty try. That might be part of the controversy

[@headintheclouds6935]

@@kopkl1 its the way referees are taught to interpret the law. Remove the offending player from the situation a try probably would have been scored

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@kopkl1 It's a law. So the decision is not controversial at all, it was exactly as the law prescribes. The only controversial point about this is whether or not he actually slapped the ball into touch.

[@seancurragh8087]

It is a penalty try and yellow card because He was about to score but the other player knocked the ball dead

[@francogonzalez4576]

This channel is amazing!! Greetings from Argentina

[@jacobearle7015]

That first one is normal like tf he knocked the ball out stopping a possible try so its a yellow like dafuq

[@justinptlt5074]

lol

[@coconuttree5045]

Controversial doesn’t only mean wrong decisions

[@noaht1301]

If it is a Possible it’s not a penalty try, a penalty try is only for a certain try

[@iestyn_thomas21]

The Ospreys Edinburgh incident still baffles me

[@battlevgaming9887]

Iestyn Gaming player had his eyes on the ball so it wasnt om perpose

[@AndrewDavidForde]

battlevgaming even if it’s not on purpose, still a penalty. Plenty of examples in the past where players haven’t done stuff on purpose yet been correctly penalised and none of them would dispute it.

[@jeremy_1999u]

@@AndrewDavidForde there was absolutely no penalty and a fair try

[@boom4301]

Andrew Forde ye both their eyes were on the ball so therefor you could say that dan evans went into the edinburgh player or that the ospreys player was blocking the edinburgh players line its a fair try

[@AndrewDavidForde]

@@boom4301 Dan Evans was standing his ground, Edinburgh player was not looking where he was going. Had Dan Evans jumped for the ball and been taken out badly it would 100% have been a penalty, the only difference is he didn't jump, same principle leads to same penalty.

[@timrogers2045]

As a Brit, I honestly have no choice but to say, "What a bollocks of a refereeing decision in the 3rd Test between the All Blacks and the B&I Lions". Piss poor reffing, I think, to be fair. The ABs should've won the series, much as I'd'v'e loved it to have been a 'draw fair and square', or far better still a win, after such a monumental effort from our tourists.

[@ItzCoopzFtw]

NZ'er here. Bro, those French refs were horrible. Teams aside and scores aside, Romain Poite and Jerome Garces were piss poor the entire series.

[@richardscanlan3419]

@@ItzCoopzFtw well,from a NH perspective,those 2 frogs were a godsend.I don't have any doubt,if they had reffed all 3 tests,the Lions would have won the series.

[@callum1971]

The wales England game alone gives you enough content for part 6.

[@dominicgallagher8930]

can't believe the all blacks dived in the 70s

[@apgwilym]

Believe it. He wrote about it in his autobiography, they decided to try it. Luckily the ref Quittendon fell for it so it worked .

[@dominicgallagher8930]

@@apgwilym it worked because the ref trusted that the all blacks would never cheat like that. You are ruining the sport to win it.

[@thewidgetmachine]

Best cheats in the world. Always have been. But I think those days are numbered, I’m sure they are now getting more yellows now than ever before.

[@seanwalker494]

I'm sensing a lot of sour grapes here...

[@seanwalker494]

@@dominicgallagher8930 are you sure about that? Pretty sure Wales lost...

[@realjt6951]

that first one isn't controversial at all, it was the right call

[@JoshHall936]

Real JT yellow card and penalty, not a penalty try

[@headintheclouds6935]

@@JoshHall936 thats not how it works. Referees ask the question "if the offending player was not there would a try probably have been scored?": remove the 10, and the red player probably scores a try

[@JoshHall936]

Thomas Vorm the ball was already going out from the fair challenge for the ball & no red player was in a position to touch it down so try wouldn’t probably have been scored imo

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@JoshHall936 sorry, but it doesn't work like that. SBW gave a similar penalty try against the French when he slapped the ball out. Because of his actions, the TMO has to completely remove him from the equation, aka he wasn't even there in the first place, in which case a try would probably have been scored. I would argue, however, that the slap in this case the benefit should go to the defender as it wasn't a clear slap to intentionally kill the ball rather. My view anyway..

[@cowboyup6744]

That is the most stupid call ive ever seen in rugby. No were in the rules does it say you cant knock the ball out on purpose. That is shocking.

[@nedoreilly9882]

I've watched a few of these and obviously it's full of bad calls but there's always one or two that seems to be the right call

[@caijones156]

I dissagre with many of these, I think that controversial is a decision which could have gone the other way with all avaliable information, some of these are refs giving a clearly incorrect option befor TMO was previlent and looked normal from their view.

[@MultiDan112]

Dude turn the music down

[@obi-wankenobi1632]

2:41 we seem to have a football/soccer player in the making 😂

[@francisleveque2939]

L'ami Owens sur l'essai de pénalité !, il leur fait bien "à l'envers" aux clermontois !.

[@arandombard1197]

2:00 was lucky that was just a yellow card. He just straight up punches the tackler in the face.

[@huxleyboyd768]

Nothing wrong with that

[@michaelmitchell8567]

THE MUSIC!!!!!

[@Ben-fm7sp]

The second one was at least a yellow and the first 1 was the right decision so I wouldn't call them controversial

[@Max-eg7jz]

The first was no way the right decesion

[@stevenmcalister826]

You’re allowed to hand off to the face

[@nathanscott3242]

Now add harlequins disallowed try from yesterday against Clermont

[@willhunnisett6139]

The first one was fine

[@seancurragh8087]

Correct

[@thornevankol1504]

First one is the right ruling according to the rules of the game no problem with that one bit the second one belongs in a scocer/football game a fend in the face it 100% fine and the delayed reaction is also proof.

[@chr1srugby]

I'd say the contentious bit is potentially awarding a penalty try. Not sure you could say a try would have been scored. Although I believe the law is you have to remove the penalised player from the equation entirely so perhaps that's why. Definite penalty though.

[@jojolabulle78]

Owens the most anti-French referee... Maybe more than Barnes or Joubert ^^

[@paulbismuth10]

Nigel owens anti-french ? It's a bold statement. You could say poor refereeing instead if you wish (not my opinion, he is fair ). As for Joubert you can make a case with scottish fans... he also did them dirty in a world cup if i am not mistaken.

[@jojolabulle78]

@@paulbismuth10 Commonwealth referees are generally anti-French or even pro-commonwealth. Remember all world cup (French semi-final 1991 / French semi-final 1995 (and the famous Welsh gold watch ^^) / French final 2011, etc, etc.). Nigel owens said in 2009 he didn’t want a Latins teams in the 6 nations anymore...

[@jc238]

Players don't realise the only thing that they might be remembered for is a moment when they cheated even if they had a good career, All Black or not.

[@kylebyrne7282]

The second one the ref was dead right

[@stevenmcalister826]

You’re allowed to fend off to the face. This isn’t under 14s.

[@mattevans1643]

Some things confuse me, i'm slowly learning the sport, but if both players are looking up at the ball, and happen to run into each other, how is that a penalty? It's more coincidence than poor sportmanship isn't it?

[@arandombard1197]

There's a certain priority to who gets to catch the ball.

[@chr1srugby]

The Edinburgh player ran past the point at which he could've caught the ball. Intentional or not he's not in a position to catch it whereas Dan Evans was. Given he took out a player off the ball and wasn't in the position to compete it's a penalty. Looking shows intent to catch but he didn't actually attempt to as the ball landed behind him.

[@michaelfalkner1186]

Unless you're seeing another foul, the first one was good, as not only was it a professional foul, it was a professional foul to prevent a try. 10 and a penalty try. The second one I'm also a bit baffled by. You can't just stiff somebody in the face like that and not see red. That last one -- how about a knock on on the reception though? Got no problem with "incidental contact -- both trying to play the ball", but there's something else in that one.

[@niallhiggins2342]

You’re allowed hand people off?

[@actimeladdict2564]

The second ones fine guessing you usually play soccer

[@stevenmcalister826]

How the fuck were they both trying to play the ball? It’s not even on the screen when they collide?

[@kramconley7972]

ospreys edinburgh NO TRY; look where the ball bounces and then look where the 14 was 'aiming' for which was at least a couple of metres past it; shocking decision; gamesmanship at its worst ...

[@darrenharris6319]

Get rid of the MUSIC

[@detectivejakeperalta1445]

The second one was a joke. It’s a hand off there’s nothing wrong with it

[@gordon1545]

It was excessive force. That's an offence.

[@stevenmcalister826]

@@gordon1545 What? You’re allowed to hand off to the face

[@gogomtb1]

@@stevenmcalister826 yes, you are, but not with excessive force..

[@SinShadw]

Good song choice

[@cenapunksheamusshow]

Can someone explain the first one to me?

[@dutchface7247]

eldric 10.2 a player must not intentionally knock, place, push or throw the ball with his arm or hand into touch, touch-in-goal, or over the dead ball line. Sanction: penalty kick. Nigel determined he intentionally knocked it out with his left arm. Because the offending player committed the penalty with a try scoring opportunity, the player is “removed” from the play, so Nigel decided that a try would have occurred if the player who committed the penalty were not there. Penalty try.

[@cenapunksheamusshow]

@@dutchface7247 oooo thks

[@Marty00011]

It's totally unwatchable with the music...

[@daikayll1897]

Was at the Welsh,NZ game and I did'nt realize they'd jumped out like that at the time. Cynical behaviour is the consequence of the fear of losing. Shithouse behaviour.

[@JohnnyMonkeyPI]

The penalty was actually for the Welsh lock jumping off the Kiwi player. Very famous incident - surprised you did not know about it for 40 years.

[@MrT67]

There's a lot of controversy on this one. Quilivan the English referee claimed afterwards that the penalty was for the Welsh #5 jumping of the shoulder of the AB's #5. To be fair, Quilivan was right there, pointed straight at the Welsh #5 when he blew the whistle and it does look as if the offence occured. However, not a great look by Andy Haden further down the line taking a dive.

[@andydixon99]

@@MrT67 The name of the referee was Roger Quittenton, not Quilivan.

[@MrT67]

@@andydixon99 ....auto 'correct'

[@JM19649]

1st decision was 100 percent correct.. I can forgive the 2nd because it was delon armatage.. 4th, nothing but embarrassment for new Zealand

[@Nineteenseventy2]

The penalty was actually for the lions number 5 holding, ref didn't penalize for being "pushed out" of the lineout.

[@JM19649]

Ha ha ha ha ha no.. interesting take on the incident but wrong.. it was v Wales btw..

[@Nineteenseventy2]

@@JM19649 Sorry it was Wales. But watch it carefully. Ref taps 5 for obstruction.

[@marcus86tiger]

Yellow card for knocking the ball dead? 😂😂😂that’ll do me. What a pathetic excuse for a sport

[@-NemoMeImpuneLacessit]

I'm glad that delon armitage no longer plays. What a horrible specimen he is, truly abhorrent. Definitely worth a"biggest thug" video.

[@conormooney3354]

I could be wrong but I think you're aloud hand of to the face

[@patrickkeaveney9839]

Conor _2004 no I don’t think so

[@Josh-dr2rv]

Conor _2004 it was an elbow not a hand

[@callumscott953]

TheSweetMan - Pretty sure this is wrong, you are allowed to fend to the face so long as you use a open hand and don't strike the opponent. I've seen plenty games where players have done this with no penalty or infringement. What made this illegal was his use of his forearm

[@realjt6951]

yes you're allowed to fend to the face with an open hand, hence why it's controversial. some of these guys replying to your comment don't know the rules lol

[@conormooney3354]

@@callumscott953 agreed

[@99louisB]

Great videos

[@rhysjones3867]

Man your vids are great but the music.....

[@o.binwheelie9733]

yeah could do with less of the chili peppers lol

[@rhysjones3867]

@@o.binwheelie9733 my whole life could do with less of the chilli peppers

[@charlieleonard1349]

Enjoy your videos but you gotta lose the music

[@fw9498]

I see nothing wrong with the first decision just me or.........

[@romainrobert1823]

Most Controversial Refereeing Décisions? FRA-NZL 2011 in Rugby World Cup... During 80 minutes

[@richardscanlan3419]

bore off frog.Bet you weren't complaining after the 2007 QF,,or the 1999 game.

[@armellelalicorne9779]

@@richardscanlan3419 🤫

[@donresmith6791]

Sorry to have to say this again, but french ref's are the worst.

[@ahriman6669]

In soccer Players would kill the redrew 1. time, fans would throw everything in field and kill the ref for 2. Time and last but not list they would fight each other outside of stadium and kill each other.

[@Leifr952]

What's soccer got to do with it? This is a rugby video.

[@michaelcourt4599]

Second one is easy yellow

[@stevenmcalister826]

You’re allowed to fend to the face

[@michaelcourt4599]

@@stevenmcalister826 yeah i dont know what sort of headspace i was in when i made that comment last year but youre right, its not a yellow!🤣

[@stevenmcalister826]

@@michaelcourt4599 Fair enough

[@Dodo-rb4zf]

Click bait... lol And why the fucking music on top?

[@McCandlessJohnJ]

Ditch the music

[@AndrewDavidForde]

What would you prefer McCandless?

[@samwallace7778]

Clickbait

[@Ollyhammond8]

Californiacation🤣

[@tomodea9885]

first

[@seanbonella]

crap music

[@andrewdavidson6495]

excuse my ignorance on this one. In last video is it illegal to watch the ball? In league if you are going for the ball you are not penalised even if you collide. Is it different in rugby? Seems harsh when the player is looking up at the ball and happens to have a defender who is also looking up in the path.

[@stevenmcalister826]

The ball was still 10 metres in the air when they collided. You can’t clash a player out of the way when the ball’s nowhere near them.

[@chr1srugby]

@@stevenmcalister826 and the ball landed behind where the Edinburgh player contacted Dan Evans. He was in no position to catch the ball whereas Evans clearly was. Absolutely a penalty.