What can New Zealand do to reclaim their throne as rugby's best? | The Breakdown

The Breakdown discusses their 4th loss in a row to South Africa, analysing the New Zealand team's performance and their current standing in world rugby. #breakdown
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[@AshleyStevens-yl2ob]

I'm a springbok supporter and I love watching the breakdown just for mills his honesty and unbiased opinion is just refreshing on the show thanks mils

[@spervuurproduksies]

Why? Simple question, nothing meant by it. Do you prefer to only watch stuff that agrees with your viewpoint?

[@AshleyStevens-yl2ob]

@@spervuurproduksies no I don't his fair if credit is due to a team then he gives it'not like sir John and Goldie go have a look at the last five episodes dude then come back to me

[@spervuurproduksies]

@@AshleyStevens-yl2ob I have. And I promise you that their partisan views are the ONLY reason why this program has so many SA viewers.

[@gavinberry1796]

@@spervuurproduksies I like to hear what all groups are thinking and saying, we need to avoid things like confirmation bias, need to be open to HEAR all sides to be objective/ fair

[@aigan3]

​@@spervuurproduksieswhats confusing to me is your contradicting viewpoint. You disallowed Ashley from having his own opinion but in the same breath say that is what makes this show so good... the fact that everyone has their own viewpoints. 😂😂😂

[@xavierlawrence5725]

Mils is the most level-headed NZL pundit. Always unbiased and on point.

[@colsjit]

I will always be grateful for such an amazing rivalry between the ABs and Boks! ❤ Rugby always wins. Love from SA

[@Attie_36]

Geez, these guys really make it sound like the ABs are done forever. Imagine how they would have reacted to a 57-0 loss! Give your boys time to develop, they will be back.

[@TheEnzedone]

No they won’t be, player numbers are tanking, NZR is in the shit, financially. The currently system is not working, threatening players to stay in the country is not working. The status quo is not working. It was good while it lasted, it’s over!

[@barneyboy2008]

​@@TheEnzedone TBF it's been like that for a long time. Nobody's threatening players to stay in the country. I don't think things are as rosy in SA as everybody thinks. They just have a group of players that have peaked at the same time.

[@judasjudas-fj4fx]

Lol 57-0 Winning streak so far 4-0 Won't be too long 4-1 😅

[@symonyoung9388]

Its over bahaha the allblacks are playing $hlt and only just losing to the best Sa team ever ​@TheEnzedone

[@judasjudas-fj4fx]

@symonyoung9388 no don't be too cocky my friend maybe you forgot the 57-0 hiding lol .. the springboks undefeated streak will be 4-1

[@stefanwilding]

Mills dodging the Ireland question. Hahaha. Love your show!

[@craigjoshuaboden1087]

As a bok supporter, nzl just needs to rebuild they are a fantastic team.

[@smoozerish]

As it stands the AB's are the 4th best team in the world. This was always going to happen as other unions became more professional and with greater ability to generate revenue. New Zealand will always be a rugby powerhouse but will not dominate the game ever again like before. The aura of AB invincibility had been broken. Teams like ireland and Argentina have shown that AB's are very beatable. The has only increased the popularity of rugby worldwide which is good for the game.

[@mrguy7582]

wouldn't go as far as saying that they won't be dominant again. People say because the other teams caught up, well yeah, they have a little but that's been the case for many years. Australia has gotten worse, the island nations beside Fiji have gotten worse. England aren't as good as when they had wilkinson. Wales are worse. The only teams that have gotten better are probably Ireland. South Africa probably have gotten better too, but they were never bad? They were always a dominant force, they're just peaking atm. I don't think that All Blacks issue is the other teams, All Blacks issue is their discipline and trying to ride the 2011 wave for way too long. Reffing has changed, we've spent like 5 years complaining about penalties, and yet we're still one of the most penalised teams in international rugby? How does that happen? When do they finally adapt and change their game. All Blacks strength used to be that they would revolutionise a style of play, now we can't even revolutionise our discipline to get less penalties? wtf.

[@WalterWhite-sm2dr]

When last did the junior Blacks beat the baby Boks? Last time was 2011 .. 14 years ago.. that’s your problem right there ..

[@optoms1178]

Great point

[@foreignwarren7361]

Jeez really, didn't know that.

[@barrypower6822]

the last two junior world cups , ireland , france and england have been in the last 4 . power has shifted up north at youth level . super rugby is the problem untill ye fix that

[@2011hwalker]

The player pipeline isnt there. Rugby isnt as prestigious as it used to be in NZ, kids dont grow up wanting to be all blacks like they did in the 1990s.

[@barrypower6822]

@@2011hwalker and rugby is a far more dangerous sport now than 30 years ago .

[@user-RONcq6zv8r]

Yha the boks deserve to win the championship

[@willembooyens9391]

Thanks, mate!

[@user-RONcq6zv8r]

@@willembooyens9391 yha man you guys beat us fair and square much respect 🤜🙌

[@michaelmoynihan9591]

Miss Marple or sherlock homes not needed here .sa are seriously better.? World rugby is changing fast.definately does not involve àllblacks..historically brilliant. But for future kiwis bubble is bust.😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@aidanpelly144]

McKenzie is a great flair player but not a 10 to rely for kicking and playing the percentages.

[@nic0072]

SA supporter here. I agree, play Beauden at 10 until Mo'anga gets back.

[@Tokoa144]

You guys need to relax. The Springboks have a core group of players that have been around for a while now. We had that once but many of our core have moved on. Scott Robertson is a great coach and is rebuilding our team to be great again, and he will get there. I think our biggest adjustments have been in the 2nd row where we've had an advantage with Whitelock and Retallick to combat the likes of Etzebet and Steph Detoit.. Tuipulotu returns for the Australian leg as well as De Groot.. but again, Scott is in a rebuilding phase. He'll come right, keep the faith.!

[@JOATMOFA]

SAFFA fans making Goldie a better person - you're welcome!!!

[@eannamc]

What's happening is that we're seeing more balanced competition in international rugby. We 🇮🇪 choke at the World Cup far far too much, but outside of that tournament, we're disappointed if we lose a test match against any team. That's the standard and level we've set for ourselves. South Africa's decision to leave Super Rugby is now having consequences.

[@johannhammann894]

South Africa didn't leave the Super rugby. They were kicked out by our AB friends

[@michaellangley87]

Rugby is no one's throne. It's for the best of the best. We don't own it we simply achieve it. Today you can be up and tomorrow you're down. That's the beauty of sports and that's why it's so excited

[@williambotha5864]

Rassie would have learned in the military that victories come from the identification/creation and exploitation of imbalances on the field. (Space is a fluid, fleeting imbalance.) He took it a step farther and identified, and exploited, two facets of the game - fitness and depth - and exploits both of them using the Bomb Squad. His teams are supremely fit, and the deliberately developed depth - that has proven to be equally efficient after making rafts of changes - has become called the Bomb Squad. The resulting delta is two tries (10-14 pts) against the top opposition on the planet - the Kiwis - even after being held at the set piece and monstered at the breakdown. Give Razor eight years and the Kiwis will be in both RWC Finals, he's not 'a stoopid.'

[@JOATMOFA]

Ek stem - Rassie bring weermag wysheid en dissipline na die bokke - hy is soos die engelse sou sê - "a wily crafty old fox"!

[@MrBC078]

McKenzie is the elephant in the room, taking up too much room without delivering

[@truthfinder7064]

Yeah, agree eith Mills. Also Jeff makes sense saying the wholesome changes for AB"s had zero effect from last week

[@blairansellfraser]

The speed of ball to the AB backline has slowed considerably since Aaron Smith left. This has allowed rush defense to pressure our second phase ball, leading to an overall loss of go-forward and panicked kicking. TJ has a terrible habit of delaying his pass until he feels the AB’s are set, just when the opposition is looking fragile. If you wondered why the AB’s aren’t finding the holes in opposition defense, why they are running out of ideas and literally kicking the ball back to the opposition…it’s because they can’t build momentum with TJ periodically slowing it down at the helm. So frustrating to watch!!

[@rodeo4-p6u]

Great servant highly experienced but he's on last hurrah in the black jersey thank goodness with the return of Roigard Ratima and Holtham the future is nigh Holtham is a diamond in the rough

[@blairansellfraser]

@@rodeo4-p6u Agree, Ratima looks promising.

[@saranga4]

Couldn't have agreed more

[@eltonwaynewilliams4152]

As an AllBlack supporter the Springboks are better then us right now, they have the experience and depth currently. That being said, the margins was so small it was basically down to a coinflip keeping in my we are playing arguably the the Bok team at heir best. if we were blown of the park then i would have been concerend but our future is looking bright, for players like Tupou, Wallace to play like that agains a highly experienced Bok pack just goes to show what talent we have. It is up to Razor and his team to form a team now. Exciting times ahead.

[@heyeksay]

@@eltonwaynewilliams4152 do you think the boks played at their best in either test i.e. on a par with twickenham?

[@eltonwaynewilliams4152]

@@heyeksay no they didn't play at their best but the Bokke is at their peak. AllBlacks didn't play their best either.

[@heyeksay]

@@eltonwaynewilliams4152 I’m not so sure about that and I’m a big ABs fan but I think they overachieved … Boks are in a massive experimental phase and things are not clicking yet, imho boks are just a little too eager and just need to relax, when that happens the score at twickenham will look like a tight game … Time will tell, enjoy the rest of TRC 🍻

[@gduncan8012]

For New Zealand to aspire to be the top team in the world perhaps concentrate on overtaking Ireland before being so keen to topple South Africa. It’s admirable to dream of leaping from 3rd best to best but try being 2nd best first.

[@RD-sp5us]

Probably sums the whole Ireland situation right there. Being content with 2nd best.

[@fallschirmjager0000]

@@RD-sp5us show me where Ireland touched you

[@BlazewayBranding]

I'm an SA fella and loving our success, obviously. Who wouldn't? Now, let's turn our attention to the ABs: With all due respect, if your non-national rugby is limited to local and one other nation's domestic teams, then you can't deny you're seriously limiting your exposure to top quality opposition. Sadly, the other nation in this case, is a very below par Aus. In addition to that, your structures don't force|enable the amazing depth our new provincial tournament structures enable. Sharks, Bulls and Stormers are forced into at least 3 teams deep, due to the Northern Hemishpere tournament structures we participate in. In addition to that. We get to be exposed to the best the world has to offer, on a provintional/club level. Addd to that, our selection policy allowing selection of foreign based players. No matter how talented you are, how can, what has become a closed NZAUS system, compete. Co sidelong that you only just lost. Only just. Your players and coach are legendary, when considering how much they have to overcome on a National level. Create parity on all those points and I'm afraid to say, the rest of the world will have their tails back between their legs when the ABs are in town. Bokke included. We have utmost respect for the ABs. Long live NZ rugby!

[@mrwelshmun]

The all blacks are not at the same standard now as they were 10 years ago. The mighty can always fall. Look at the current Wallabies team now compared to the late 90s.

[@davidwalker2402]

There is a strong likelihood that after Autumn internationals the ABs will have fallen to 5th in the world rankings and this may be where they deserve to be.

[@David-f1u]

Why does rugby need these female commentators...why....why ....DEI is a CANCER rotting us from the inside

[@barneyboy2008]

​@@davidwalker2402 in your dreams.

[@symonyoung9388]

It's not like New Zealand are playing good and losing to a $hlt team they are playing bad and just losing to a very good team

[@cheekynative]

I'm not too worried about the AB's. The coaching staff shakeup can't have helped things, but the margins were so small, both games could have gone either way. The Boks just happen to be in supreme form at the moment and somehow still getting better. Selection and depths issues will sort themselves out with time. I'd say good luck against the Wallabies but somehow I don't think you'll be needing it 😅

[@mbhewenhlesitholembewu1105]

Well for the boks to come back from a 10 point lead

[@1ma4ighter]

guys, just bring the South African teams back to superrugby guys, let's be honest; it's not so super anymore with us missing and we've got a whole host of different rugby styles our clubs are playing against since having been thrown out of that tournament. diamonds sharpen diamonds guys...

[@grantandrew18]

The Springboks were down for a long time and they didn't complain, just kept building the team up

[@optoms1178]

I was thinking the same, every team goes through it. They must just relax

[@RD-sp5us]

Apart from the obvious success, Rassie biggest contribution to SA Rugby and the country as a whole was to pick Siya as his captain. The transformation of this team literally before our eyes means that every coach from now on picks pretty much from the entire player pool. Quota and players of colour you are qords you hardly hear nowadays. Longtime coming and its been a tough ride untill 2018. Watch out world. The Springboks are coming

[@grantandrew18]

@@RD-sp5us All up the ledger reads 62 test to 42 in the All Blacks favour, and that includes Suzie's catering!!!

[@RD-sp5us]

@@grantandrew18 yeah yeah its what happens from here that matters. You are talking from a position of weakness. Remember how under Fozzie you had all those 'firsts'? Still happening isnt it? I couldn't care less about Suzie. Just another of your delusions when you lose that its somehow somebody elses fault. Couldnt possibly be that the other team is better or through your own mistakes. We've just made up 4 games quicksnart. So from where Im sitting, it almost looks lkke a complete role reversal. Quite conceivable that Razor could be sacked by the end of next years. RC. Lose against Ireland, England and France and another poor showing in the follwing RC. NZ rugby heading for a turbulent time. For your sake, lets all hope you can steer past the storms up ahead

[@grantandrew18]

@@RD-sp5us There would be no SA if not for the All Blacks getting ripped off in '96 it United the country eh?

[@Gerrardboss-v2g]

The breakdown living up to its name again . I love watching these pundits squabble in confusion 😊

[@Thabang-x6z]

Its simple bring super rugby back or create a tournaments including South African teams. Just for their physicality and resilience. Fiji, Australia and Samoa unfortunately they are not challenging enough. 80% of Ireland players play against Springbok players in URC and it shows on their ability to take and inflict pain. Not only relying on their speed and kicking.

[@rossmcintyre1328]

The ABs have the players to select. Now is the time to completely change their style of play and get the pace increased. Stop kicking away possession as it is a bloody exhausting effort to maintain tackling without giving away penalties. Slow play using pods off a ruck is not working.

[@rolandgrantham9598]

Nobody plays better under pressure than the Bokke. That's when they really cook because they can handle the big game pressure and covert it into points when it matters

[@22grena]

The Irish do. Frawley Frawley Frawley

[@rileyfreeman9726]

Nobody plays better under pressure than the prime ABs. 😊

[@rolandgrantham9598]

@@rileyfreeman9726 they didnt in the WC or the SA Tour. Results speak for itself. 3-0 down

[@rolandgrantham9598]

@@22grena they didn't in the WC. Being World no.1 or 2 means nothing

[@sandyn3384]

The Boks seems to be unstoppable at this stage👏

[@foreignwarren7361]

Ireland are still a problem for them though

[@grantandrew18]

@@sandyn3384 Vamos Argentina, you put the Boks in their place!

[@bobby1bobby100]

As a Bok supporter I have a lot of respect for the All Black team. I would really like to see NZ get back into the space where the matches between the Boks and the AB's become the spectacle it has always been. I would just like to give my opinion about the rivalry between these top teams over the years. We played against NZ for the first time in 1921 and from that date until 1981 we were the only team in the world that had beaten the AB's more than they had beaten us and would like to think that we were the dominant in that period of 60 years. (20 vs 15 games) Then came the years of sanctions and we did not play many International teams at all. South Africa had to focus on the Currie Cup to at least have a series that SA could get involved in. We did not have any exposure during that period to how the game had developed and mostly banked on 10-man rugby as a strategy to win. Since re-entry into international rugby, we had to start at the bottom (or nearly) once again. We had some very good players, but we had a lack of strategy to face the developed teams at the time. I believe we won the 95 World Cup because the opposition was unprepared to face our now (new-old) strategy of playing. Arguably, NZ had been the dominant team for the last nearly 30 years, but I think that the days of NZ playing the brand of rugby and winning with that brand is ending and they will have to develop new strategies to win in the future. The fact that their brand of rugby has been successful for so many years makes it even more difficult to change. I hope they do.

[@heyeksay]

@@bobby1bobby100 I think you need to check your facts, the only team in the world who maintains a winning record against the ABs to this day is Rhodesia …

[@bobby1bobby100]

@@heyeksay Rhodesia does not exist as a country with that name. They also beat them only once. I am not talking about percentages, but no of games and Rhodesia would never have achieved the same. So get your statistics sorted out.

[@heyeksay]

@@bobby1bobby100 facts are facts whether you choose to believe them or not, fact is Rhodesia beat the ABs and never lost to them and were a country at the time Rhodesia 1-1-0 New Zealand

[@treytoomuch]

My take is that firstly, NZ is the greatest nation when it comes to the game. Their dominance especially during mid 2000's to later 2010's was immense. Having a cycle of dominance that lasts beyond that takes a MAMMOTH task. AB's should still be incredibly proud given they lost by 1 point in the WC final with 14 men for the majority, can still beat anyone on their day. What the Springboks have developed under Rassie, is what the AB's had in abundance....being able to execute in key moments and KNOWING HOW TO WIN! This takes time and has to be built with youth and depth like SA have done. AB rugby isn't in a state of worry right now but in 5 years could be if NZR don't get their act together. AUSTRALIA? they're fucked....

[@veedee1732]

Nothing, it's someone else's time now.

[@optoms1178]

Exactly. They must just relax

[@NathanAAASmith]

7:40 Correct!

[@gduncan8012]

This is undoubtedly a great rivalry but New Zealand look to beat South Africa to be best in the world while South Africa look to beat Ireland to be the best. I think that says a lot.

[@chriscreations8853]

AB's keep missing the most important and critical penalties. Those points make a big difference. I think they should work on thier kicking. One missed kick made a difference in the World Cup.

[@masibam7752]

Jeff Wilson doesn't give up😂😂😂

[@EugeneClarke-ql7sv]

The lady host - is what is wrong with nz rugby arrogance and sense of self entitlement Jeff Wilson--the same dude who choked in big games for the all blacks Mills M-he is why I would watch a show like this fair assessments of what can be improved and how to move forward, nz had the best team from 09-2018 after that has been springboks cause instead of holding onto old players they mix up during the non World Cup yrs and could be dominant for 10yrs if they continue with that structure, nz needs to go back to the drawing board John kirwan-he took off ill knowing the saffas was waiting for his excuse this week

[@randomlyfactual1943]

Funny old game, this. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the two wins immensely. But let's not forget that both games against the All Blacks finished with the two teams within one converted try. Two unlucky bounces, two unlucky ref calls or two poor lineout throws and the ABs would have had two from two and everyone would have sung Razor's praises and Rassie would have been under pressure. I know the results didn't go NZ's way but it easily could have. The gap on the points log looks gargantuan, but in reality, the difference between the two teams can be measured in millimetres, not inches. So keep heart, All Black fans. You'll be back, just like always. And we'll be here, just like always.

[@berylbarry9825]

Stay at the back of South Africa for Now!!!!!! 🇿🇦😍

[@AdsHouse]

how can your competition not be that great but you had 3 losses

[@declanbackos1941]

He’s talking about the Superrugby comp… Australia & co teams are too weak and therefore not challenging the NZL union teams (crusaders, blues, hurricanes etc) Weak competition in lower ranks doesn’t translate well into international competitions

[@wallieveldtsman300]

So nice to listen to unbias feedback for a change compare to JK one sided views and rude interuptions when Mills or Jeff are busy taking .....

[@krishnilnand5284]

I feel end of the day for neutrals rugby is so exciting to watch now. We need this rivalry. I hate when all blacks beat everyone so easily . Love from fiji 🇫🇯 ❤️

[@howzit5406]

Its been official since the world cup

[@chrisvisagie3399]

2:37 The AB think they are good but this is an illustration. They should stop working on their haka game, they should stop backchatting the ref, they should stop throwing their hands in the air, they should stop playing professional obstruction. The AB should remember the Springboks is the world champions and respect that.

[@José-j9y3b]

The springboks cant get any better... Jeff Wilson

[@LukeRokovada-l3h]

Two matches in a row, the Springboks came stronger in the final 20 minutes because of the impact of their Bomb Squad. The All Blacks ignored the strength of the bomb squad at their peril.

[@CevaQ]

First of all it's not "their throne", that throne is given and we will die to defend it. -Drikus du Plessis (with a few adjustments)

[@rugbyguy1rugby407]

There’s no shame in losing by one score to South Africa especially in South Africa. Wish they had a game in NZ to get a better idea of where these 2 teams are.

[@heyeksay]

@@rugbyguy1rugby407 hopefully NZR will be scheduling at least one test in eden park next year without a dodgy French ref …

[@garthhume]

You know Rassie is messing with you when you start putting your best players on the bench to counter the bombsquad

[@expeditionlandcruiser9852]

Jeff Wilson is having a breakdown… 5 point difference against the world best, I think the ABs are doing well.

[@Edgycoo]

I dont think kiwis are fussed right now. We lost retallik, aron smith, mounga, sam whitelock and more. Still compete with #1. Just need to build. One year and a game at home and we will beat the boks. Just gotta get the reps in and let the young guys get game time.

[@Kransduif]

SA made 6 changes between the two tests. But yeah, you were still competitive

[@barneyboy2008]

​@@Kransduif yeah, but they still have the core of their world beating pack.

[@Theunislb]

I do think at home in nz in about a year , the game will be closer and maybe in your favour. Honestly, apart from the argentina game where you guys brain farted, these last two games, for a new team and coaching staff. Nz did way better than most or almost any other international team would, so keep at it. Can't wait for the bext games between our nations

[@foreignwarren7361]

As a Saffer I would put money on NZ winning the next WC down under.

[@Kransduif]

@@foreignwarren7361 as a safffer you wil lose your money

[@joedennehy386]

We choked, we weren't good enough, well played south africa. We have discovered some great players. Tamaiti Williams, Sititi, Vai'i played well.the forwards were great, the backs are chokers

[@davidschutters6179]

Don't question the All Blacks. Right now the Boks are just on another level. Accept the facts.

[@eamonnoneill1340]

Jeff Wilson always thinks New Zealand are going to win every game they play crazy stuff

[@theradfactor9104]

Because their success rate is very high. That's 77% since 1903. They are used to winning.

[@Stephen-bq4nq]

Every top level athlete or team thinks they're going to win every time you have to think that way to be successful

[@abrahamdennis6253]

South Africans were burning bok jersy's on social media in 2017. Won a couple of games after that. It takes time guy's. Chill, the AB's will always be up there.

[@keithsalmon682]

If frizelle and morunga were given permission to play from NZ rugby they would have won the test match

[@GeorgePie-li6hw]

I recon Woolie Hyena is way more interesting and at least offers reasonable logic.

[@GarethNicholson]

It's 50/50. You never know who's gonna win SA vs NZL.

[@angeltwani2186]

Nou weet julle wat ons weet

[@celltanic]

Hulle weet nog nie, hulle gaan bly val want die Bokke help nie om hulle spelers te groei in die SuperRugby nie. So hulle gaan bly val. Jy is so goed soos jou oposisie, hulle gaan baie bekers he maar die kwaliteit is nie daar nie. Lee bekers as jy my vra.

[@optoms1178]

I'm not sure they do😂

[@David-f1u]

If the boks made less mistakes THOSE margins would have been a chasm...at least 15 to 20 points differential

[@mrguy7582]

if nz made less mistakes then the first match would have been theirs.. so lets not think in hypotheticals

[@HhhFff777-q4c]

Some humble and respectful comments from a Boks Supporter : 1. Give Razor time 2. Make someone like Savea Captain - who has the correct dosage of no nonsense All Black DNA in him 3. Allow the selection of New Zealand players who play overseas - with a similar system than SA (once a player "payed his dues" and have enough Caps) 4. Find better Tight Five players. New Zealand simply does not have enough dominating locks and props coming through. Not one of the current starting Tight Five players of All Blacks are anywhere near the best in their positions in the World - where in the past about 80% All Blacks would have been strong or sole contenders, if a World Best Team had to be selected 5. Move on from Sam Cane type Flankers - who just make up the numbers and who are not anywhere near the World dominating All Black flankers of the past - like Kronfeld, McCaw, Kainu, Collins, Jones.... The All Blacks loss of form and decline started from about 2019 - when their winning games with the Boks and others started to become by much smaller margins - and it started and is getting worse mainly in the forwards...

[@GregIsmail]

U must earn your glory.....

[@MrJamFresh]

As a neutral, it's clear SA are currently the best in the world, but AB pundits are talking as if it's a choice between SA and AB. The AB has to be able to consistently beat more than SA to be considered close to #1. I'm sure they're on the right track to get back to where they were. But the rugby landscape has changed a lot over the last few years and I personally don't think there's room for a continued AB legacy like the history books previously told.

[@sevmassyn5660]

You guys have less of a plan for the ABs than the coaching staff has.....

[@flicksbyhans]

A strong Wallabies means a strong ABs. Iron sharpens Iron. Australia's Rugby demise is contributing to the demise of NZ rugby. SAs schoolboys rugby are a power house. Hamilton Boys and Christchurch boys give some hope but geeze, the South African lads coming through are set to dominate once they get into the senior teams

[@jeremyreid9582]

We, the Springboks, have also lost too many games in the last 80 minutes.

[@mikew8557]

That's generally when all teams lose games.

[@raulleyton3919]

😂😂​@@mikew8557

[@motodudu]

Of course Ireland is currently better than AB. Ireland is the only team that are creative and come back to beat the Boks in the second test. And they beat AB twice in NZ. NZ will have to change its selection policy and select their overseas based players like the Boks.

[@migyman321]

I think it’s natural that nations will dominate for a long time then fall off. Look at Brazil when it comes to soccer. Nothing lasts forever but the ABs can come back and dominate again in the future

[@MegaTkls]

9 Roigard 10 Mounga 11 Telea 12 ALB/Clark/Tupea 13 proctor 14 Ioane 15 Jordan Start with the right combos at least

[@evanderer]

the All Black will win the next world cup that is what i hope even though i m a bok supporter land where i grew up and playedthe game from Belgium

[@nicogoliath4902]

Allow our coaches to select any player they regardless of where they play club rugby

[@loginroberts6673]

Well Done Coach Rassie )& Springboks Players & Supporters.Springboks Waste Points first Half.. This should Become a Serious Talk..Get on Field and Play.

[@wayneshilcock3027]

Reenergize the culture within the team structure. Look long term at players coming through the system. We dont have the depth of talent at the moment. We dont need to buld for the 2027, but the 2931 world cup.

[@Spencer-z6k]

At least they not getting smashed like Aussie, this years squad, the Razor Blacks, obvious pun intended, needs more time to gel but also realise they need to maybe evolve their game a bit I mean what's worked in the past is not working now or what they're doing now isn't working either so, the attack got stifled from the Boks blitz defence and the bench lacked impact, could be they still in Super Rugby mode and it's affected their mentality.....

[@robertombetta]

Let’s talk about the elephants in the room, the officiating. They make mistakes and still collect a full fat pay check with no sanctions against them.

[@Sotanath86q]

You're just not beating SA when they have a mostly fresh pack for the last 30 minutes while you're barely using your bench

[@PatNanai-bw2kf]

Nothing! I think the ABS as number one team has come to an end! Im a Kiwi and i know, the depth we have in New Zealand isn't as good as the Spring Boks have now go and watch their super rugby see their upcoming players mate its promising New Zealand should be worried

[@dulajohnstone5704]

It's not about A.B's lacking bench support. You trying to compare the issue with the springboks who just happen to have have

[@JohnDoe-iq9bz]

Mils Muliana is class. Was classy as a player and is classy as a pundit. He's a well deserved world cup winner too unlike Jeff Wilson who choked in the big games. The arrogance and self-entitlement of Jeff Wilson and Kirsty is what makes people outside of NZ hate the All Blacks. This is South Africa's time at the top so show them some respect just like they showed NZ respect when NZ were the cream of the crop.

[@ReinhardtJonkYT]

To be honest there is only one player south Africa can't afford to lose to injury and that is PSTD... but south Africa have 3 replacements for each player at the moment and they practise against each other

[@RD-sp5us]

Give Ben Jason Dixon 1 more year

[@robertosalsone5655]

ABs need to find a genuine 4 and 5. Need to find a genuine 9 and 10. Find a genuine 15. Get back some of their overseas players because of their experience.

[@sefitahaouli110]

So what does Razor and Raygun have in common then?

[@maynardjunior5638]

😊nz got to start winning game, n set on the style of play there want to implement, let players play overseas, and stop getting stuck in the past

[@ozmanoshe]

Win.

[@kmclel1814]

“Are Ireland better at the moment” yes they are, NZ are third

[@winstonrudman896]

The truth that no-one will say out loud about N.Z. & Aus..................Woke

[@joshlamingo1145]

NZ is only going through a transition yet everybody is acting like they've fallen off 🤦🏾‍♂️. I'm a safa and I still get scared when we play them even this past weekend. Try talking about Australia if we want to be objective they're in rapid decline.

[@andrewdevilliers6321]

Excuses! Excuses! Haven't the NZ Rugby Learnt for the last 12 years the South African Rugby Franchises Raised the last 20 Min, the intensity is thrilling! Jake White era the World Cup was won in the last 20 Min the intensity was so high...the Super Rugby Series Bulls games the last 20 Min intensity won the Game, it was a trademark That South African Rugby Build on. Rassie Fine-tune & Manage that structure well, it's not something that NZ & Australia should be amazed of it was there all the time. Blues vs Stormers was a Catalyst many years ago of what's to come. The Team that's getting close to align itself to meet the Boks in that kind of intensity is Ireland & France they getting very close and those teams will be a real force in the Next World Cup. Will NZ be there?

[@darryljanson5141]

You guys are forgetting a huge factor that is affecting their game strength …. No South African teams playing in the southern hemisphere competition 😊yeah Jeff I bet you are eating some humble pie 😊

[@tiomiguel999]

"Just how far away do you think the All Blacks actually are from the world champions?" - We're rebuilding and lost two tests by an average of 5 points playing the Boks at home - how about some perspective from those hysterical AB's "supporters" who claim the world is coming to an end?

[@frenchycw7179]

In your face coach. That's for turning down Sotutu.

[@gregcrawford3905]

we need to start to pick overseas players ..bok started it won 2 world cups in a row !!! if our All Blacks go overseas , then it gives up and coming players who stay in NZ a chance to shine , and also making the All Black depth better ,,, current players and those from super rugby .. NZ CEO needs to pull his head out off the sand .and FAST

[@kobusdutoitbosman6240]

…sometimes hard when reality hits you VERY⁉️🥂💫 BUT > Néver say die NÉVER ÉVER…hey⁉️ 🪖 🇿🇦

[@PaulKavanagh-i6k]

If it was any other coach he would be slated for not trusting his squad and not using the bench

[@gerritvandeventer4147]

i am a South African i will never forget in 1987 world cup when SOUTH AFRICA could nod play of sanctions..Bruch Durrow said to me the day South Africa returns to Rugby .the cup will stay in South Africa forever.. South Africa is the A/Bs biggest nightmare.

[@rodeo4-p6u]

Stay in SA forever that is next level foolish I wished SA did compete in 87 the days of amaturism I'd bet my left one the springboks would've got convincingly beaten Dyou want to guess where the rolling maul was perfected. hint it wasn't at Ellis

[@alanoppel7485]

Odd when we showed in 95 we won guess who we beat in the final guess how many times we've beaten that same team in a final now guess how many times we've lost a final? Go ahead just guess!

[@rodeo4-p6u]

@alanoppel7485 OK I'll admit you are the greatest penalty and drop goal kicking world Champions of all time because you don't know how to Score a Try in a world cup final Bravo.

[@rodeo4-p6u]

@alanoppel7485 And getting back to subject matter..the cup will stay in South Africa forever..😟🤣

[@alanoppel7485]

@@rodeo4-p6u so other than your whipping boys Australia mention who you've beaten in a world cup final with a bonus point amount of tries? Then if we're such paper champs who win finals by luck howcome you've yet to beat us in one and how come we've never lost one I honestly find myself in a bewilderment of note!

[@leonbosman5606]

Who diss select Scott as a head coach? That guy should also be tired with Scott

[@tonyahtow8104]

AB's will thump Australia in both games

[@HainiS-g8i]

The. Refferees. Problems. Gave. The. Winners. To. The. Bok s.

[@Andy_M986]

Get Wayne Smith back,best move.