Rule of Four for Five Shot Snubs

Working on strategies for snubbie revolver self-defense.
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[@bobbyarnette1911]

Greg my daddy always told me that when i grow up that i will appreciate the wheel gun. I am 65 year old southern man. Daddy i finally grew up! Thanks to you Gregg! Thank you sir!

[@LionquestFitness]

I'm not far behind you in age. It is interesting to me that even though I carried a semi-auto for nine years of my L.E. career as a police officer, when I got back into firearms after a twelve year absence, I gravitated to the Model 10 I first carried and other snub revolvers. I often analyze the reasons why, but I still find a revolver excellent for citizen self defense and carry. A five shot snub goes with you, where other guns don't.

[@sparky_-mf2cs]

​@@LionquestFitnessand no failures to feed failures to eject no stovepipes no safeties... i can go on greg 😂

[@la_old_salt2241]

​​​@@sparky_-mf2csAnd for those of us fighting arthritis, no slide to rack. God bless, Rob

[@buffalosoutdoors]

Good video. Danged ol rapscallions.

[@LionquestFitness]

Thanks for stopping in Buffalo! Now if I just had your hand/eye coordination and eyesight!

[@terryschiller2625]

Great video Greg. Thank you for your hard work and time Sir. At 68 years young I remember my dad always told me count the number of rounds you shoot. Even to day I count how many rounds I have fired. Even in auto loaders.

[@LionquestFitness]

That is a good habit to master. Deliberation of fire comes with training and practice.

[@michaeldimartino1004]

I always feel like I learn something when I watch your videos.

[@LionquestFitness]

Thanks Michael.

[@tylermorrison7051]

I do too, but Greg also needs to entertain us with one of his Starsky and Hutch roll maneuvers. I'm not sure if he has ever done a roll on the hood of a vehicle. 😂

[@LionquestFitness]

@@tylermorrison7051 You're asking a lot of this 63 year old man!

[@tylermorrison7051]

@@LionquestFitness Probably so. You'd better hire a stunt double. 😂

[@LifeofCharles]

Sounds like you picked up my idea! I normally carry a Sig P365 XL with 12+1 of 9mm but I decided to try learning what it’s like to carry a five shot snub nose revolver (a brief look into my channel will show I’m very interested in history and how things were done “back in the day.”) Among guys my age, it’s common to hose rounds into the A zone at 3 or 5 yards ASAFP but the snubbie requires far more discipline, prudence, mastery of shooting fundamentals, temperance, and deliberateness when choosing to pull the trigger. I called this mindset of solving the problem in four rounds or less “Revolver Mindset” or as you call it, “Rule of Four.” I also decided that after 3 years of living in TX, I needed a proper revolver so I went to the range and rented the 642 and Ruger LCR, and a separate trip to test the Ruger SP101 After two sessions of shooting with the 5-shot snubbies (and purchasing range ammo at exorbitant prices) I realized I mostly shot two pairs and always held on the 5th unless I was trying to dump all five quickly. Thus, that was my takeaway, “solve the problem in four rounds or less, to leave one in reserve.” I have now purchased a 3-inch Ruger SP101 Wiley Clapp edition as my first true revolver and will endeavor to carry it when I can. I still mostly roll around with the P365 XL but if I solve the problem in four rounds or less, that’ll leave 9 or more rounds in the mag, plenty (I figure) for most “street encounter” situations… in reserve! Lastly, shooting long, hard, DAO triggers, going back to my Glock 19 or P365 XL feels almost match grade and I walk around with this mentality of “solve it in four or less.” I also shot 6-shot revolvers with similar conclusions, but concluded that the six-shot cylinder was just a bit too much for CC, just a bit too thick for my taste so, 5-shot SP101 it is! 🎉

[@LionquestFitness]

Good sense and conclusions. Two things that seem to have been forgotten today are target acquisition and deliberation of fire. You know your target and what you are shooting at, and every round counts. Legally, people tend to forget you are responsible for every round fired. These things apply to any firearm. Thank you for helping me to articulate something I've been practicing for years.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Another nugget of greatness. My little Charter Arms is in this realm. Thanks.

[@LionquestFitness]

I was thinking about that Charter snub when I did this one. Thanks to the viewer who gave me the idea.

[@mikereese15]

Good tips

[@TheWalkWithAl]

Dad always carried his model 10 Smith & Wesson. He said six shots is all you need if you make every shot count. But I said dad why do you carry that quick load. He said in case I need it. 😃 thanks for the video Greg enjoyed it bring back some memories.👍🎯👍👍👍🎯🎯🎯🎯🙏

[@LionquestFitness]

I like that. That story needs to be passed down.

[@MrZipperhead16]

Throwback to my academy days, at range engage the biggest threat first, not the closest. The giant in the lead is bad but the little guy with the shotgun behind him is worse. Practice on accuracy first and speed will come with it.

[@redesert_boy8202]

Good insights…we all need strategies for surviving an unavoidable encounter and one that includes multiple adversaries with lower capacity is key. Thanks Greg!

[@LionquestFitness]

Hi Robert!

[@sombra6153]

Good lesson. Another great video. Like the fact that you included, “extricate” yourself being the primary goal.

[@LionquestFitness]

Thanks.

[@1989ahi]

Thanks for sharing how cool small revolvers can be

[@LionquestFitness]

Thank you for watching.

[@totizabayle377]

Nice point Greg. My model 64-1 also shoots at point of aim.

[@walkingwolf8072]

My 64 also...

[@tylermorrison7051]

Greg, a jewelry store owner (in California) pulled out his .38 snub nose to run off five guys. One of them had a sledge hammer, and I'm assuming the others were unarmed. They scampered, and the store owner never fired a shot. Good thing they didn't have 9mm's with extended magazines.

[@kylewood8327]

Later the police (probably) charged him with brandishing his firearm and then took away his CC license.

[@tylermorrison7051]

@@kylewood8327 The video was on Active Self Protection recently. I think it all worked out for the 73 year old man.

[@LionquestFitness]

@@kylewood8327 Only in the LaLa land of Commiefornia. Well, maybe other blue states as well.

[@clintwestwood1895]

Cool video bro, I hope you have a great 2024.

[@LionquestFitness]

Hey, you do the same.

[@marciocumpiancumpian2075]

Good night my friend. Always a great class for us. Always kind and responding to subscribers. Thank you for the work and care you dedicate. God bless you always .And let's enjoy shooting with a revolver, its precision is incredible. 🇧🇷🤝🇺🇲🙏🏼

[@LionquestFitness]

Obrigado meu Amigo!

[@marciocumpiancumpian2075]

@@LionquestFitness 🙏🏼🤝

[@michaelmccabe4725]

Another great day instructional video. I learned to count rounds very early during my 15 years of Cowboy Action Shooting. Gotta love revolvers.

[@AK-ky3ou]

It’s funny because I’ve always had this thought. The problem is from what I’ve seen force on force, most don’t realize how many shots they’ve fired, these are trained individuals.

[@UncleDanBand64]

Good point. In a fight you probably ain't gonna have no idea how many you fired. That is the main reason I carry higher capacity pistols.

[@anangryranger]

Maintaining the round count becomes second nature if you train correctly. Three tours in Vietnam, and 28 years as a peace officer, with three shootings. I knew exactly the number of rounds fired when engaged in a fight. It's simply a matter of reputation in training to keep count of your rounds. Do something often enough it will be engrained into your mind and behavior. Concentrate and think while you're on the range. You'll walk away from a fight. Approach your training haphazardly and void of discipline, and your reaction in a fight will be the same. You'll likely be carried away from a fight. Learn to use your mind,while those around you are losing theirs.

[@UncleDanBand64]

@anangryranger So, you are telling me you were counting your rounds in Vietnam? Let's just be honest, I like revolvers, 1911's. I carry a Glock so, I don't count rounds. In a fight I will concentrate on winning not counting. I hate Math 😄

[@anangryranger]

@@UncleDanBand64 To each his own. I never trained to shoot my weapon until dry, then reload. If one wishes to spray rounds until the slide or bolt locks back, fine. I'm not built that way. Self discipline is a valuable asset.

[@UncleDanBand64]

@anangryranger I hear you. I don't train to spray rounds until empty either. Only to shoot until I get the desired outcome. Still, I also don't buy into, let me save a few rounds or one round. If there is a threat or if I am hog hunting. Either way, I will fire until empty if need be and then reload. At my age my finger is faster than my sprinting. Not knocking your approach. Just saying I think a higher round count on board just makes more sense for me.

[@dano1956]

Have a safe week Greg!

[@LionquestFitness]

You do the same Dano!

[@ThecrazyScotsman]

Always good information on real world scenarios utilizing a revolver

[@LionquestFitness]

Thank you Scotsman!

[@yuvgotubekidding]

Don’t snub the snub. It might be all you’ve got when you least expect it. Head in the game.

[@LionquestFitness]

That's for sure.

[@YellowHammer26]

👍👍great advice, thanks Greg

[@LionquestFitness]

Thanks Lance.

[@theoriginalOSOK]

Good practical advice as usual thanks Greg!

[@LionquestFitness]

Thanks Lance!

[@Jim-oo7dk]

The Attack of the Rapscallions! (to a Bossa nova beat)

[@LionquestFitness]

🤣

[@zszs123]

Excellent video thanks for the vdeo and time 👍

[@dangerman007]

I love this channel because I always learn something. I never heard of the Rule of Four before, but it's simple and direct. And in a high stress situation, simple is always better. You'll have enough to worry about!

[@LionquestFitness]

Thank the viewer who posted it. I don't remember who it was, but it sure made sense for a five shot snub.

[@LifeofCharles]

@@LionquestFitnessI believe you’re referring to my comment on your video of “Retire the Revolver!” I didn’t expect you to take it seriously haha!

[@la_old_salt2241]

​@LifeofCharles It's a good concept Charles.

[@davidmiller8924]

I carry and older S&W model 36. It, and I need some range time anyway. Thanks for the plan!

[@tomcarr4630]

Love it! Your snub videos are the highlight in f my day. Much appreciated!

[@LionquestFitness]

Thanks Tom!

[@kylewood8327]

Excellent video and good advice to train yourself with.

[@LionquestFitness]

Thanks Kyle!

[@fbweaver63]

thank you. great advice as usual.

[@LionquestFitness]

I try to keep it genuine. Thanks for stopping by.

[@edwardpetty5401]

Thank you for always posting great content.

[@LionquestFitness]

Thanks Edward.

[@marcthomas2482]

Great advice, Greg!

[@LionquestFitness]

Hi Mark!

[@bmuell64]

As always great information, thank you and again you have the best music

[@LionquestFitness]

Thanks!

[@jackbauer9077]

Great video! I just got me a 5” python and been carrying it, will be a country/hunting/woods/yard work gun, but this spring or summer I plan to buy a 2.5 python for edc. Until then when it warms up I’ll probably carry 3” model 13 or model 65 .357mag. Going to bring back revolver for main edc.

[@DanTheWolfman]

Shame Jack, a USPc .40 served you well in so many seasons...

[@davek5027]

It’s great you’re going with S&W rather than the terrible Taurus revolver. Can’t go wrong with a Smith👍🏻

[@LionquestFitness]

Most times; especially an older Smith.@@davek5027

[@LionquestFitness]

Sounds like a good plan. Some say that a wheel gun is for beginning shooters who later circle back as an advanced shooter. I don't know that is true, but there is recoil management because of the weight, and a psychological comfort as well. A hand full of gun is definitely a confidence builder.

[@user-im9ov9ud7m]

Where did you get a 5 inch python.?

[@jackgreenstalk777]

Your content is really awesome! Truly great work!

[@LionquestFitness]

Thanks Jack, I try to give sound information.

[@bigal2696]

Another great video with good information. My model 64 shoots where I look. I enjoy these revolver videos.

[@LionquestFitness]

The 64 is a great choice.

[@johnnymccann5607]

after 44years reloading and testing many, many firearms and calibers,much knowledge and experience I'm now disabled but not helpless .not as fast on the draw or deadly shot as once was but no slouch either .the Taurus 605 defender 357 ,I bought two.one in 2in, one in3 in. I highly recommend them.wolfe makes good spring kits which I put in my defenders. made big difference. I enjoy your videos. papa 😊

[@LionquestFitness]

Thanks! I'm also a fan of the 605. I haven't gotten a defender yet.

[@IAF7]

Thank you Sr. for cheering great topic and video and the music was awesome. 👉👍👈🖖

[@LionquestFitness]

I like that little piece of music. I try not to overuse it.

[@IAF7]

@@LionquestFitness 👍

[@bonjovi2757]

Great drill. But you'll have to move twice as fast and be just as accurate if you want to win a gun fight. If you can add in moving targets then you'll really have something. Also, bonus points for using the word Rapscallion!

[@LionquestFitness]

Appearance of speed can be deceptive in demonstration and in actuality.

[@jeffryrichardson9105]

Great information!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸

[@CarolinaRimfire]

Thanks for the video, Greg. It's wise to keep in mind what the limitations of our tools are. At the range a couple days ago, I was shooting my carry ammunition after having carried it for several months, and I had a hard primer that wouldn't budge. Turns out, I suppose I was carrying a four shot snubbie. Still better than nothing but not what I thought I had...

[@LionquestFitness]

That's an ouch moment. Good thing you rotate your ammo out periodically.

[@DanTheWolfman]

anatomically I would rather hit a bit high then low. Recently on Revolver Roundup channel he used a 5 snub, then ran picked up a 6-shooter....after the 5th shot with the six shooter he ejected after only 5 shots.....something to consider. IE when I use my 7-shooters I often run retreat after six...and then maybe re-engage with a headshot...if you got back and behind a engine block and they scattered or down good 7-shot there to protect a bit. 6 shooter...if 1 attacker train 3 and re-evaluate...on two...2x2 re-evaluate...on 3....2x2x2...however even if only one you are probably going to run that cylinder as fast as you can hammer and only realize you-'re empty after a couple of clicks.....physiology and adrenal dump is what it is... Of course NY reload is always a good plan after moving offline to cover too...

[@LionquestFitness]

All good points. I've done the same in training from switching revolvers. That's why I take a que from Paul Harrell and work at being aware of my round count. BTW - I've been enjoying your content lately and recommend others check out some of your range drills at www.youtube.com/@DanTheWolfman

[@DanTheWolfman]

@LionquestFitness thank you....I'm sad about Paul doesn't sound good.

[@LionquestFitness]

No it doesn't.@@DanTheWolfman

[@lessage760]

THANK YOU SIR IS THAT A NEW HOLSTER SIR GREAT VIDIO

[@LionquestFitness]

Hi Les - it is an older Azula I've had for a while. I also use it for a 856 and an 85.

[@butchie2752]

I practice with my smith 38. Regardless I use the crimson trace laser grip for situations where precise aiming isn’t an option.

[@LionquestFitness]

That's keeping an extra edge.

[@anonymousf454]

Awesome video as usual Sir. Do you do any videos with bigger bore revolvers for self defense? Maybe like a S&W model 69 in 44 mag...Figure if your only gonna have 5 chances, make sure it will only take 1 to get it done....lol

[@LionquestFitness]

.357 is the biggest I go. I was considering buying a 44 magnum, but then the last ammo shortage hit.

[@adamsaylor7427]

After practicing a bit today with my LCP Max and having it act a little weird, I’m considering going with a 642 or similar for pocket carry. I do enjoy carrying my King Cobra 3” since .357 Magnum is so incredibly effective compared to most other carry calibers.

[@LionquestFitness]

What was it doing?

[@adamsaylor7427]

@@LionquestFitness it wouldn’t go back into battery, and the action wouldn’t lock back after the last round. It had been a while since I had cleaned it, so I cleaned it and will run it again later this week. There was a ton of junk in the spare magazine from just being in my pocket for a year, so I’m sure that had something to do with it. The magazine that I keep in the gun gave no issues except for the slide not locking back. I went through my carry ammo, and put new ammo in it, and the gun is clean. It’s been great, but I definitely left it at home after shooting it today, and threw my M&P 2.0 Compact on for my trip to town.

[@rexgigout1472]

This Rule of Four seems sensible, to me. I have often read of, or watched, the oft-taught method of one round per bad guy, before any of them get seconds, (“boarding house rule”) but it always seemed sensible the consider the option to quickly burn-down the leader, rather than automatically serve one round to each. (Movement would be part of the equation, of course, if practicable; try to keep the two main threats lined-up with each other. 😉 )

[@LionquestFitness]

Good analysis.

[@royseleech3524]

That's a problem with multi pistols, each one is different, so you got to remember how to handle the difference. People like me getting up there in the age have dont have that kind of memory...LOL😂😂😂

[@walkingwolf8072]

To be fair most shootings are at such a close range it will not matter. There is a time to aim, and a time to just point the gun at the head and pull the trigger. I train with a punching bag, even though I have health issues. I cannot do a long dragged out fight, but I can get off a couple hard punches. Punch, shove, draw, shoot, no aiming. I do aim at 5 yards though, I train for aimed at 10 yards. After 10 yards I am looking at options to seek cover, or flee.

[@LionquestFitness]

@@walkingwolf8072 Sounds like realistic planning and tactics.

[@marie-noellebaechler1433]

Thank you very much for this interesting video. Isn't it a rule that, in such a siruation, you try to distance yourself from your aggressors and you try to find cover from the very beginning? I know that this may be more or less difficult to achieve according to the circumstances. But it seems to me that it makes a lot of sense.

[@LionquestFitness]

If you can it definitely does.

[@Fudmottin]

Aim for center chest, hit between the eyes. What. A. Shame. This is a well timed video. I'm sure you've seen Mr Harrell's El Presidente drill video and the very short intro video for his brother.

[@LionquestFitness]

I did. It's a loss to the gun community.

[@Fudmottin]

@@LionquestFitness Yeah. I was hit with a wave of sadness.

[@LionquestFitness]

Like him or not, which I admire him a lot, it is a great loss to the gun community not having him well.@@Fudmottin

[@SPCWELLS7]

Excellent video and very educational! As an owner of several various semi autos, I’m wanting to jump on the wheel gun backup bandwagon. I’m eyeballing either a SW Model 640 Pro Series, or a SW Model 60 Centennial. What would your opinion be out of those 2 models, sir? It’ll be for jacket or carhartt pocket, and shoulder holster carry. Thank you!

[@LionquestFitness]

Based on purely personal taste, I prefer the streamlined 640. It's like a panther in and out of concealment. Most self defense applications would necessitate double action anyway. Performance Center would make it that much sweeter.

[@johnelder4273]

All fixed sight guns shoot a little different. It's a good argument to carry the same gun sll the time but that's a little boring (especially in light of your nice collection of snubbys) As to "the rule of four" I say carry two guns. I know I sound lime a broken record but a Ruger LCP in my left pocket makes me way more confident in the five shot snubby in my right. A stress reload with a five-shot snubby sounds unpleasant.

[@LionquestFitness]

It definitely can be. But, you have a good system going. If it works for you it works.

[@johnnymccann5607]

anyone who don't reload there ammunition I greatly encourage them to look up lucky gunner self defense ammunition gelatin tests. all bullets are not equal.they in house professionally test major brand self defense ammunition and a lot of ammunition don't preform as advertised. several are failures. you can see the ammunition expansion tests, barrel lengths,expanded or unexploded bullets, all the information you need. this saves money on ammunition that don't perform . although I reload I use there test information in choosing the pistol/ revolver bullets I reload saving me money and time testing bullets That don't live up to advertising. papa wishing you well. 😊

[@LionquestFitness]

Good advice.

[@CyborgZeta]

I've gotten to the point where my S&W 642 pretty much shoots where I want it. I need to see how my Taurus 856 shoots, since I haven't shot the one that replaced my previous one. My first 856 had a misaligned front sight and had noticeable accuracy issues. I still consider myself an average shooter, but I'd like to think I'm not that bad a shot!

[@LionquestFitness]

Sounds like you're doing well!

[@CyborgZeta]

@@LionquestFitness If you mean my shooting, I guess I've been shooting just long enough to where if I'm not hitting where I'm aiming, even someone like me can notice, haha.

[@guaporeturns9472]

Good advice… although I like the idea of 15 rnds for the bad guys and 1 to cover my retreat/extrication😂 Thanks for sharing.

[@walkingwolf8072]

If you look at most shootings with multiple attackers after the first shot most of the attackers flee. In most cases they flee before even the first round is fired, criminals are more likely to get into a gun battle with police.

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@walkingwolf8072 I know all this… I still like having lots of rounds

[@carlosmorris4510]

Grab a couple of speed loaders. 😉

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@carlosmorris4510 I have a couple.. and a couple more.. and a couple more… and a few more. I love my 38s and 357s.

[@LionquestFitness]

Nothing wrong with that.

[@griffinridgeway4751]

Looking to get into 357/44mag revolvers. Taurus good enough or should i go with smith/ruger?

[@LionquestFitness]

It's a crapshoot on quality this day and time, but I'd go with Ruger.

[@Stingray2017]

Greg what do you think of the Kimber K6xs???

[@LionquestFitness]

I'm hoping to purchase one this spring.

[@LionquestFitness]

It's next on the bucket list.

[@mrbottomfeeder]

👍👍👍👍

[@colt10mmsecurity68]

Respect for the opinion given in this video. My thoughts however differ on this open dialogue topic. Today, a 5-shot is NOT good enough for EDC. Carry at least a 6+1 semi auto or something. A 5-shot wheel gun is great as a “secondary” back-up gun, but that’s about it in today’s day and age. Just look at all the videos out there showing time after time after time of bad guys taking multiple hits before going down and from BIGGER calibers other than a measly .38 special out of a 2” snub nose. Why handicap yourself by giving the tactical advantage to a bad guy or MULTIPLE bad guys, before your defensive gunfight even gets started? There’s no excuse not to carry something that’s really no larger nor heavier than a 2” wheel gun, but yet holds 7, 8, 9 or even 10 rounds of better and EFFECTIVE modern 9mm loads? Sure if this was pre 1995, I’d say a 5-shot isn’t that bad to carry (with speedy-loaders). But in 2024 we have so many more better options to carry just as small as an old j-frame, but with better “fire power” (even though I hate that terminology) and with much faster reloading via magazine, vs. a speed loader or “speed strip.”

[@LionquestFitness]

Yes and no. It depends on individual circumstances and the environment one lives. For police duty? No. However, most of the people shot who keep on coming are seen on police videos. In other words, persons who have decided for whatever reason they aren't going to be arrested and will fight until dead. That is not what most ordinary citizens will face. As well, many police officer lack target acquisition and deliberation of fire. Hence more rounds fired than what was needed to take the threat out. There are many reasons for carrying a five shot snub, but the primary one is that they tend to be easy to carry and go with you, whereas other guns stay at home. It also has a simpler battery of arms. And, you have to admit, if you have been around firearms much, many people never train with, or even carry their handguns. That includes people in the firearms industry. Now, if you live in a high crime area, or in a rural border area, it makes sense to carry more capacity. And as far as I am concerned, people should carry a handgun that goes with them and that they will carry on a regular basis, and be proficient with. Now me personally, and this is my opinion as you've shared yours. I train with modern striker fire pistols and shoot them well. In certain situations that is a choice. However, most times in my day to day interactions, I carry a five shot snub. It is convenient and concealable, I shoot them well, and it works well in close quarters where most citizen self defense situations occur. Above all, I practice civility and situational awareness. I don't go places where one could face trouble. I don't drink or use drugs. I also train physically and practice empty hand skills I integrate with firearms skills. I prepare to fight, so I don't have to fight. The "weak" .38 snub works well into my overall self defense preparation. Deadly force is always the absolute last step in self defense.

[@colt10mmsecurity68]

@@LionquestFitness I don’t know what you meant by “for police duty, no.” For a back-up gun, it the number 1 firearm we in Los Angeles carry for LE duty. Second, when someone always points out that cops are “horrible shots,” I then counter with “and you think civilians that don’t carry a gun for a living are any better?” Seriously??? If cops suck, the majority of “ordinary civilians” suck even more. Fact. Again, urban or rural areas, it doesn’t matter. A 5-shot snub is piss poor when there’s several alternatives with guns of the same size, yet they hold a few more rounds and are much quicker at reloading than a wheel gun.

[@LionquestFitness]

Partner, I am a law enforcement veteran who also teaches criminal justice. I study police shootings. You have blinders on if you don't see the execrable level of police training these days. I also pointed out the lack of training and practice of most citizen defenders. My comment on revolvers and law enforcement means that a revolver is no longer suitable for police carry as the primary sidearm. Now, you just want to argue your point and belittle what I demonstrate for citizen self defense. There is no reason to get offended and you need to remember there is a difference in what situations military, police and citizen defenders deal with and the appropriate response.I've allowed you to express your opinion, but I am not going to allow any more back and forth. That wastes your time and my time.@@colt10mmsecurity68