Rumination Analysis on Aliens

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[@thebestwingsfan]

Absolutely spot on analysis. I used to watch this one constantly as a teenager but I never realized how masterfully crafted it was until I was in college and developed a more critical eye for fiction. I also want to give huge props to the audio and visual editing team. The action scenes are shot for shot and sound for sound perfection.

[@JS-wp4gs]

Its worth mentioning that the early implied hints that bishop wasn't to be trusted weren't originally a red herring. In the original script bishop flat out tells ripley 'you were right about me' at the end of the movie. But that ended up getting changed during production. As for burke....realistically everybody - especially ripley given what happened in the first movie, should have seen his actions coming. That she believed anything he said at any time never made any sense. That said, after the marines find out what his intentions were toward them there is no way he would have been leaving that room alive. He had nothing left to lose and pretty much had to do something to get rid of them at that point or he'd be screwed when they got home. His plan to have a couple impregnated people frozen for the trip home never really made sense either. Sure he intended to get rid of everyone else, but that doesn't explain how he'd be able to get them to go along with freezing anybody like that in the first place. After what happened at the colony I doubt anybody was stupid enough to risk taking anybody back to earth if they were carrying aliens inside them

[@810PRODUCTIONS]

25:07 to 26:01 - Lore explained mental trauma perfectly. Well put.

[@christineherrmann205]

One of my favorite movies and one of the reasons I loved Mass Effect when I finally got to it. Go Grunt. Thanks for doing it. Rain was actually really cool.

[@EnvisionerWill]

Predator was indeed a good rumination, no worries on that point. And while I would not want to leave Newt behind with JUST the aliens, I WOULD be willing to leave her behind with the nuke, because I've always thought that being vaporized completely in a giant incinerating blast is probably the best way any person can possibly die, other than possibly going peacefully in their sleep at a ripe old age. We all have to die, and most deaths are slow, painful, undignified, horrific things to contemplate. Being turned into ashes so fast that you don't feel a thing, and leave no organic refuse behind, just a little carbon powder? That's actually kind of awesome. Better than the Xenos deserve, but if I'm 100% sure that it'll go off, then I wouldn't fear for Newt among those creatures when that's about to happen.

[@xenon8117]

“Ah your ruminations suck and you’re terrible.” Why do I keep spending my time watching many hours and hours of your content?

[@xenon8117]

27:30 This is a thing you mentioned for the Witcher 3 too, knowledge being as important as skill if not more-so. Knowing how to beat something or how it operates is vitally useful for succeeding.

[@xenon8117]

1:13:25 Yeah just watched it last night and it was my first thought but then when you see he was impaled I remembered the drip of acid that came just a second or so before the impaling so they did give a clue a moment before.

[@LezCharming]

Great vid! Why leave Burke alive? Because it's too easy to forget a loveless deceased. She needs him remembered long enough to drop dimes on the corporation. Nothing easier to sweep under the rug then a deceased man that everyone hates. "We find that all breaches were committed by an isolated renegade who acted without authorization. As that renegade is now rendered inert,case closed". Much harder to do when he's dropping trails of dimes with his every breath.

[@TherealTenmanI]

25:00 on the PTSD thing. 100% spot on compared to my experiences. One can't deal with an issue if you can't interact with it.

[@catmanmanson799]

Lore I know I'm not in the streams as often lately BUT I sub for your EXTENSIVE library of work like this, I don't think I could ever watch literally everything, but you seem to have a video for whatever hyperfixation I'm on at the moment (Currently playing Alien Isolation, 8 years late) and I really appreciate that. Keep up the good work king 👑

[@Dzugoslav]

I am impressed by how your ruminations are getting even more awesome. Also, got to add one of the oldest MeMes (scene where Bishop hots impaled) "Queen takes Bishop."

[@brandonarlo]

Another classic, great work as always Lore, you have made youtube a better place and I have enjoyed your content for nearly a decade now, keep it coming!!! 👏

[@KneelB4Bacon]

If there's one deleted scene in this movie that I really miss, it's the one near the beginning where Ripley finds out about her daughter. Without that scene, Ripley's later attachment to Newt seems to come out of nowhere. It also explains why Ripley is so distraught near the end when she thinks she's lost her.

[@xenofett7008]

Another fantastic rumination! ALIENS is one of my all time favorite films. I saw ALIENS when I was 13 in the theater and was dazzled. It's one of those rare sequels that is different, yet consistent with what was established in the first film. You also mentioned "Battletech" when you brought up the power loader. My respect for you just went up a notch. Great game and lore! Please do a rumination of JAWS. I would love to hear your perspective.

[@MetroidHatchling]

I've been looking forward to this rumination for a loooong time. Aliens is one of my favorite movies, like, in my top 3, and it's always what I think of when I try to think what makes a "perfect movie". Sure, nothing is actually perfect, but I think this comes really close for me. (And I'm someone who typically doesn't like horror!) The last act of the film is just incredibly intense and powerful. My favorite scene in the entire movie is probably the elevator scene when Ripley is going down into the hive, setting up all her weapons. Her acting is incredible. She keeps looking up at the floor number, she's sweating like crazy, she looks like she's BARELY holding herself together. Everything she's been through since the first film, which to her wasn't even that long ago, has all led up to this moment. She's absolutely terrified and this is the last thing in the universe that she wants to do, but she HAS to, because she can't leave Newt. As an aside, I always watch the film with the deleted scenes intact because I really feel that the moment with Ripley learning about Amanda's death explains a lot about her relationship with Newt. She lost her kid and her entire life. She was a wreck even in the past few weeks/months she's been awake. She basically had no purpose in life at that point, but finding Newt gave her purpose. They both lost their families so they together they became a new family. When she's in that elevator, about to go into the lair of the things that took everything from her, she's not just saving Newt because she cares about her, she's saving her because she is literally all she has anymore and she cannot bear the thought of essentially losing her daughter again. There's sooo much tension in that moment. Once she's actually in the hive is great too, but that prep scene, while short and I think easily overlooked if you're not paying attention, is one of the most powerful moments in any film I've seen. I also just love the storytelling idea of a normal, untrained person terrified almost out of their wits, in an act of desperation doing something incredibly heroic like this. It's easy for Superman to do something like this, but Ripley is just a space trucker in way over her head, and that makes it much much more impactful I think. I've spent so much time thinking about that scene and wondering if I could do what Ripley did. I don't know. I know I'd be scared shitless. I think I first saw this film when I was like... 3 or 4 years old (Blame my brother. I even used to play with a bunch of the old kenner toys back then that he gave me. Still have the Power Loader toy on my shelf next to me), and I've had recurring xenomorph nightmares throughout my life to this day, so I really feel for what she's gone through. (I know it sounds stupid, but they still happen once or twice a month even 30 years later.) I have a hard time even playing a lot of the video games because the damn things are so scary to me. also, Alien 3 doesn't exist. Always wondered why they never made any films after this. Oh well. Good way to end it.

[@shawnspencer8157]

Alien 3 happened

[@sharkdentures3247]

While I agree that the "unloading on the egg room" WAS Ripley's catharsis & something she REALLY wanted to do & needed to do (for herself). . . . I DO think, that if the egg HADN'T opened, she would NOT have opened fire & just FLED with Newt. I truly believe her maternal/ protective instincts WOULD have successfully overridden her PTSD and prioritized the path of highest likelihood of a safe escape (for NEWT). And yes, Ripley & the military guy gets married, adopts Newt, and they ALL live happily ever after! (and I will countenance NO argument that says otherwise)

[@shawnspencer8157]

Well actually the military guy gets butchered beyond recognition by machinery and newt suffocates in a cryopod and Ripley kills herself by jumping in an inferno to kill the chestburster inside her no happily ever after for anybody.

[@donovanbradford8231]

Great breakdown as always and I love this movie because of so many of the points that you brought up. Even though I have seen this movie countless times it is on my list of films if I could see it in theaters I would because it's that good of a film.

[@Erkaneil]

Never watch alien or aliens, but your summary and discussion about behind the scenes stuff was very interesting and compelling. Thx!

[@theblindjedi41]

Brilliant review as always. And you’re not alone. That mech was badass and as a father I would never leave my kid behind.

[@ZigUncut]

I always thought that the idea of taking Burke back was that he would be privy to a look of the back room dealings of the company and was no doubt was either under orders (of the books maybe) or someone higher up leaked the info to him knowing full well what he would do. If it went wrong the company could everything on Burke. Basically he was the key to unlocking the big picture.

[@athrunzala6919]

That APC vehicle was my favourite! love the turret that slides to the back and the whole wheel frame.

[@OfficialAndies]

Great analysis - very true that there would be few Alien warriors left by the time Ripley entered the hive (especially when considering the sentry guns)

[@thomascarpenter8177]

Burk can be described like Daffy Duck "I may be a craven little coward, but I'm a *greedy* craven little coward" also always liked when they were shown the emergency venting they just said "how long do we have" not is it going to explode

[@ScreamingTc]

Ripley saving Burk from a make-shift firing squad was more to underline the difference between herself and Burk, pitting justice against corporate greed. She wanted his ass nailed to the wall, but she wasn't willing to stoop to his level to see it happen. Beyond that, it would be a public relations nightmare for Weyland-Yutani: A public prosecution of Burk would make it impossible to sweep the whole incident under the rug. If Burk didn't return? Well, digital footage and testimonies can be redacted or classified under any number of secret's acts to keep it from leaking, and the colony becomes a victim of a tragic meltdown caused by sub-par inspections.

[@DarthJ1977]

Also, it's possible Burke could turn on the company and testify against their practices in an attempt to save his own skin. If he's dead, the company can just say "oh he's the bad apple". Having him alive allows it to be seen that it's a systemic problem, rather than just one bad actor.

[@nickmitsialis]

Greedy or not, Burke could have had been written with more 'nuance'; The Marines are the only thing keeping everyone alive==why risk that with some 'flimflammery' that endangers every surviving human--ESPECIALLY himself. He was a callous 'dick' but all he'd have to do is survive and come back later with a platoon of combat synths. And any way, being in jail probably beats being glued to the wall of the atmosphere processor with a facehugger 'frenching' him. That being said, maybe Burke's actions could have been influenced by an outside source? Say "The Queen (tm)" and her ability to communicate with her brood is 'telepathic'==why not have her 'influence' Burke to do the facehugger trick (and it explains why HE didn't get attacked--or better yet, Implant Burke as he smuggles the other facehuggers into Newt's and Ripley's room--and have him chestburst just as the Alien assault drops in from the ceiling). It might not be canon but I had read that the reasons people have those nightmares is because their encounters make them susceptible to psychic messages from "a" Queen Xeno. Hell some folks even say those Xeno baring their teeth are the Alien smiling because you're about to be 'become part of the family'. And anyway, 'The Company'/WY is the ONLY supercorporation in this future. It probably would be virtually immune to any sort of criminal prosecution.

[@markwatson8714]

@@nickmitsialis As Ripley points out several times, he doesn't really understand what they're dealing with and consequently underestimates the threat (otherwise, why not go in with the platoon of combat synths to begin with?). With Burke the big thing is really ego and hubris; the Xenomorph are simply dumb animals, so shouldn't be too hard to outsmart. Newt managed to hide from them for weeks, so obviously he can manage it for a few hours. The biggest threat to him therefore is failure - coming back empty handed and therefore making a loss on the mission. His actions therefore make sense - attempt to get Ripley and Newt implanted (both non-combatants), and when that fails, run away and hide and let the aliens clean up the mess. He can always double back to grab a facehugger once things have calmed down, then he simply needs to meet Bishop at the landing platform to get off planet (and he wouldn't even have to lie when asked what happened to everyone else). He wasn't attacked himself simply because the eggs he placed in the room came from those the colonists brought back from the ship and placed in storage. Presumably they'd need to thaw out before becoming active (which also explains why Ripley has a chance to wake up before the facehuggers attack).

[@simicmagic4806]

I remember watching this movie when I was a kid. Loved it then and still do to this day. Truly one of the greats as far as I am concerned. Your video was awesome. When I watched Aliens, I missed the tell Burk had and didn't put together his connection to the team. I thought he just attached himself to an existing unit that was assigned a mission by their own chain of command. I hadn't considered that he was bankrolling the operation. Interesting. I'm curious; has there ever been a good/great movie that didn't have complications/problems/obstacles getting in the way? Where everything went as planned? Many of the movies I enjoyed the most have "making of" stories that are just as interesting and almost as entertaining as the movies they come from.

[@djgamer5546]

Nah, your runimations suck my boredom away and leave me quite entertained.

[@drpaddypepper]

Really great job, love your work lore. Thank you for your time.

[@resurrectedstarships]

Love this rumination AND your predator one as well. You're a strange raven as the whiplash from My Lil Pony to something like this is apparent, but so am I, and what do I know as consistency is my weakness, as long as the content flows you do you beau. IDK about Alien 3 or Alien vs Predators, but Predator 2 seems worth a rumination, since there was some world building there, I think I even saw a Zerg AND a Klingon on the predators trophy wrack!

[@EnderGraff1]

Hype! Thanks for this one Lore. Loving the 80’s action theme so far.

[@lazylazymule]

Thanks for your thoughts as always, Lore! Awesome movie, and a rumination worthy of it!

[@snir2324]

Regarding the commander position it is argued in my country that leadership must come from the front (almost) regardless of rank. Every commander up to a brigade commander have his own tank (or Squad) and are taking part in almost every combat scenario from the front. In 2006 a battalion second in command threw himself on a Grande after evocating one of his lieutenant from the front of the fight. In 2014 my own (previous) company commander fell from sniper fire shooting from inside a medical clinic. (Meaning he was in a tank 1.5 km from the front, leading.) It is said in my country that the only thing that (Morally speaking) gives a commander the right to send his subordinate on death mission (as in TNG: Thine Own Self) is being in the front himself any other time, risking himself. Up to the Brigade commander the CoC indeed does so, in almost every battle scenario.

[@AdamCollings]

Oh, the daughter thing was a deleted scene? I recently watched Aliens on Disney+ (had been many years since last seeing it). And I remember thinking, wasn't there a whole plot about how her daughter was all grown up and she had to adjust to living in this world having slept most of her lifespan away? I was disappointed to not find that (and began questioning my sanity) because in my memory, that character exploration was one of the things that made this movie great.

[@sciverzero8197]

Something interesting about the 'ranting at corporate' scene is that it was originally longer... with the implication being that it was even longer than what was filmed and what was cut. It doesn't come across very clearly in the film proper, but it was meant to be implied that Ripley had been grilled by those executives for _several hours._ _"How many ways do you want me to tell you the same story?"_ is in reference to the fact that they've basically been kangaroo-court-ing her trying to force her to say something that they could then use to implicate her as a write off excuse and lay the entire incident on her shoulders without any consequence to the company and with no culpability or need to do further investigations. The fact of the matter is that Ripley didn't care how crazy it sounded, and she KNEW how insane it sounded, but it was the _truth_ and it was the only story she had to tell them... brief and unsatisfying and lacking hows and whys as it was. There is an extended cut and... it is interesting but ultimately it doesn't make the film better... it just gets the idea across better that she's been in this damnable office room for something like 7 hours answering their leading questions by stating 'we landed, there was a room full of eggs, one of them hatched, everything went to hell, I blew up the ship.' And obviously, without evidence, which she admits she herself disposed of via airlock, they don't believe her. There's no way they ever _would._ They're at an impasse but clearly Ripley believes what she's saying even if no one else possibly could.

[@DlosStrongestSoldier]

Greatest horror movie ever so thanks for this treat tonight Lore lol

[@rmsgrey]

Is anyone else reminded of Poirates of the Caribbean 3? "It's not personal, it's just good business" could be Burke's motto too. And I agree with others that keeping Burke alive is not the soft option. A bullet through the skull is quick and any pain is only for an instant before the brain stops being a brain and either you cease to exist, or you discover what comes after death. Being taken home as a prisoner and made an example of, having everything you'd worked for taken away and being left with nothing except the knowledge that you failed - you got caught - and now all you have is the rest of your life in prison. That's proper suffering. Also, there's the more pragmatic consideration that the public perception of justice will probably require that someone be visibly punished - the families of the colonists will want their pound of flesh, and if Burke isn't available, the powers that be might decide to find a way it's all, say, Ripley's fault so they can give her the public punishment...

[@zvimur]

19:35, Henricksen was also a candidate for The Terminator's..... titular role!

[@charliecrabb7669]

I really enjoyed your take on Hollywood economics. It is an irrational way of keeping track of finances and yet they have been doing it this way for, what, a Century? Fascinating.

[@lavitz95]

Thank you Lore, as always.

[@FreihEitner]

"Stop your grinnin and drop your linen." I think there are only 2 things I do not like about "Aliens". One is Newt's extremely shrill scream throughout the movie. The other is the deleted scene (re-input in the director's cut) of the surveyors finding the alien ship. Now I saw the film originally as the theatrical release, without that scene, and it was a great movie. Seeing it later, with that scene, I feel as if had it been in from the beginning, it would have destroyed some of the tension in the marines' sweep through the compound. I therefore would urge anyone who has never watched "Aliens" to watch the theatrical release first, then to re-watch the director's cut and get all the new scenes (I think there's like 14 or 17 minutes in total of added material, and all of it except for that surveyors scene at the beginning is TERRIFIC).

[@Elderand]

Of the two alien movies (there are only tow, I'll fight anyone from the bad timeline who says otherwise) Aliens has always been my favourite. I can only think of one reason why Ripley would want Burke to go back alive. Burke only cares about money, if he comes back with them, he will be screwed and loose everything and for someone like that, it's worse than death.

[@shawnspencer8157]

Alien 3 happened

[@TherealTenmanI]

Loved the coat joke. Got me good.

[@cognitivedissonance8406]

I’ve got a reason for Ripley wanting Burke alive: a bargaining chip. She’s seen first-hand Weyland-Yutani is consistently driven by greed and incompetence. It’s not hard to imagine she’d assume the Company would have them all killed outright rather than risk the knowledge of what was done to procure the specimen getting loose. It might be the only way out, to have someone who’d rat themselves out to anyone* in order to save their own ass. *whatever space government must exist in the Alien universe, unless the government is a literal corporatocracy, which makes Alien both the most horrifying and most accurate scifi franchise next to maybe Blade Runner

[@gensaikawakami341]

That's a pretty good hypothesis there, I hadn't even considered that. I was assuming the reason was, mostly because Ripley chose to spare Burke in the heat of the moment while she was rightfully livid, because she wanted him to suffer the humiliation of whatever retribution was coming his way. She even says, "I hope they nail you right to the wall" or something to that effect. The take lands so satisfactorily to me because guys like that would often rather die than suffer the debasement of being canned or worse. I mean look at how Burke treats and talks to the 'grunts'. Think about how a guy like that would respond to losing his job, likely being locked out of another job as a suit, and having to work on the ground level just like any other troglodyte. It's poetry to me lol

[@GreenCauldron08]

51:48 They lose five people in that fight: Wierzbowski + Frost + Drake + Apone + Dietrich.

[@davidsabillon5182]

One of GOAT'S of movies

[@vondamn9943]

I was waiting for this 🎉🎊

[@stevena488]

This is a movie about Vietnam. Like.... All the iconography is Vietnam as hell. From the way the Marines are, to how they're using inexperienced commanders to how they're all utterly in over their heads against an enemy that's not as technologically advanced but work as a perfect guerrilla unit. Hell, there's even the point where Burke gets roasted over the coals because there's a satire of the Military Industrial Compex where civilian and soldiers lives really don't matter, what matters is the potential profit to be made from turning the Xenomorphs into a military weapon. And Ripley even says "You don't see them f-cking each other over a percentage". Also there's the whole thing of two mothers duking it out against each other at the very end

[@farsight120]

Your rumination’s are great! :D

[@jacksongabbard6059]

Lore in the rain. I love it!

[@Inignot12]

Would love to hear you do that Battletech talk

[@3Havoc]

Which version was looked at the theatrical cut or the Director's cut? Because a couple of statements made implies the theatrical cut was ruminated on.

[@miller-joel]

43:40 Actually, the first motion they detect is from lab mice. That's also where they find the facehuggers.

[@keitht24]

The lab mice scene is a deleted scene & no, that isn't where they find the facehugger.

[@miller-joel]

@@keitht24 I'm talking about the timeline, not the physical space. They find Newt AFTER that. And no, that's not a "deleted scene." It's part of the Special Edition, which is the version worth watching.

[@ssgadamjunemann]

They got the gun at the royal armoury in England. They have an entire video on KZbin on that gun.

[@athrunzala6919]

Lorerunnermostly comes out at night, mostly 😯

[@francoislacombe9071]

Leaving Burke alive, get him back to Earth, ruin him, put him on trial, send him to jail, keep him alive so he can endure the punishment for a long time. I can relate to that sentiment.

[@EstebanGunn]

"Alien" exists within a godless universe whereas "Aliens" exists within a god-present universe.

[@67956787]

Wow! Cool! Is there rumination of Alien too?

[@tee_es_bee]

Nah, you're rumination are awesome.

[@jimbob3332]

Personally, I'm more of a fan of the eggification idea. It makes the aliens more... alien and less like how I see wasps. i hate wasps

[@chriscolabella880]

Ripley not wanting Burke killed wasn't about making a rational, strategic decision. It was about her simply doing the right thing.

[@shawnspencer8157]

There's a great behind the scenes documentary on KZbin to check out if you haven't

[@richardkutsera4992]

The queen, for me, does with the Alien species what Stacraft 2 does to Zerg, kinda ruins them. Turns them into one of the most generic alien horror monster archtype, a colony with a queen, instead of something else, something better. That is one little thing I like about the plot brought in by Prometeus and Alien: Covenant, that they were first like a virus/mocroorganism mutating things, and then that stupid android had to "ruin" them making them into bugs... according to the new plot anyway. Starcaft's thing was in SC1, the Zerg was this interesting and morbid race with buildings looking like organs and with different kind of monstrosities, that they had by genetically altering other species they found. Then, SC2 came in and said "Nope, they are bugs, with queens, and much more bug-like features." I really do not like it neither the Xenomorphs being queen-led and hive-structured. I much prefer the concept introduced in Prometeus, further exlopred in Covenant(until ruined by jacakss android to fit into the lore of Aliens), that they are a chaotic, terrifyingly effective biological weapon that spreads and creates more and more threat to the biological life of an area, more and more sufficiently with more and more complex mutations. This is just a personal preference of course, but it is sooooo boringly overused that an alien race must be bug-colony structured.

[@Plutonia001]

46:30 In modern military, or at least in small militaries that can't afford fodder, lower-ranking soldiers are no longer taught to unquestioningly follow orders so that they don't need to think. An unthinking soldier is only useful when there is a massive supply of them. When you consider your soldiers as ammo for the weapon that is your military. Militaries that need to think about their soldiers as people teach them to think for themselves and take orders as information on what the next reasonable act should be, not as commands to execute unthinkingly. Of course in frantic combat you don't have a chance to think, but you still trust that the order is based on information you have no access to and is being provided by someone specifically tasked to gain that knowledge and to use it to coordinate those under them.

[@jestergodfield690]

I think she left Burke alive because there was a VERY high likelihood that a xenomorph was going to get him which as we know from her dreams is like THE WORST possible thing that could happen. No one would go out of their way to save him, he's basically a corpse walking until the xenos make him lay down. And if he somehow lived, well...prison for life which probably means he ends up serving in the space marines and dying to xenos on some other day! Lol 😆

[@signaltome]

You might not be very claustrophobic. I AM! Any scene in any movie, show OR book that shows/describes a tight space freaks me out. Each time I watch Aliens, when Bishop enters and crawls through that pipe makes me cringe a bit. The only reason I don't freak out is a) It IS a movie and I know Lance Hendriksen was not in a tight space for 40 minutes and b) I know he got out of it all right and besides he is an android. Think what you will about Goodkind and the Sword of Truth book series, there is a scene in the first book where the main character crawls into a tight space that gets narrower and narrpwer and then he gets STUCK. He gets out of it in the end but the first time I read it (yes, I have read the books multiple times, at least some of them) I had to put the book down and take a minute. It really got to me. And I have to go with Ripley about this one. While I can logically agree with Hicks, and I think he WOULD go back and save her from a stronger stand point, he was not just saying that, if I was there I would also freak out and jump down after her. I would never leave Newt. I ALSO believe that if Hicks was not severly injured he would stand side by side with Ripley at the end there, and maybe even sacrifice himself to get them out. Just my personal opinion but I feel it is true. I love this movie, I am so sad that movie 3 destroys all this. I don't like that one much. I am more fond of movie 4, but really in my head there are only two Alien movies. 1 and 2. Then they killed all the monsters, got back to earth and lived happily ever after. Hey, I am a good ending kind of guy. ;-) Edit: Apart from the first scene establishing that Ripley did in fact have a daughter, which makes even more sence in what she does for Newt later, the Director's cut version (of all 4 movies imo) really sucks. But for this one, actually SHOWING clips from the planet before the marines arrive kills all tension OF the arrival. What happend? Why did it happen? Those were a mistake imo. Apart from the one. Thoughts?

[@jani11]

Ok this is too much now. Back to the future, Alien,... get this guy more twitch subs.

[@Crensler]

Holy cow, have a beard o.o Sorry, it's just that I usually see you in a smaller corner of the screen and seeing you closer up is just this drastic difference. Not a bad difference, just a surprising one.

[@shawnd223333]

In newts tale.. the aliens take over by the live stock first to grow the numbers.

[@miller-joel]

The production problems were so bad, Cameron fired the Director of Photography. The British crew never had any respect for him [Cameron], and sabotaged the production every chance they got. Biehn also had to replace James Remar while shooting, for different reasons. Yes, it's a good thing the series ended here and they didn't ruin it with inferior sequels!

[@constantinusferreus4221]

Yes, they live happily ever after. Imagine if there was a sequel where Newt and Hicks die for no reason, and Ripley lands in another horrible situation that actually ends up killing her, too. That would mean this whole ordeal was meaningless. Right? Right??!!

[@shawnspencer8157]

Well hey at least Ripley went out fighting

[@kristenstoumann8345]

Hey Lore, You really should try reading a aliens/mass effect crossover, called Siege of Hadley's Hope, og is Pretty good

[@ronaldritchie1301]

Do a rumination on Battletech Lore.

[@stevemanart]

Naah! Your Ruminations are great!

[@enriquemino9963]

You know you forgot to mention The empire strikes back(1980) and the Return of the Jedit(1983) made a ton of money you left those out?

[@Belzediel]

There's not hundreds of aliens, there's at most 151 minus the ones they shot in the APU, which is quite a few but I am not going to go count.

[@adthomp]

this is why Aliens 3 SUCKED, because all that last 30 mins of this filming saving Newt and Hicks surviving meant NOTHING! takes out all the emotion we all went through in this movie at the end. in my head cannon nothing exists after Aliens.

[@shawnspencer8157]

Alien 3 happened and is amazing

[@evalramman7502]

Yeah.

[@SexycuteStudios]

I've said this many times, and I will say it again: The story of Alien is about Ripley. Full stop.

[@Threesixtyci]

...and screw alien 3 and beyond. So...never saw Robotech? Robotech was my intro to mechs. Followed by Eathsiege video game then battletech...

[@George_M_]

Of course it's blue, it's a action film from the 80s.

[@shawnspencer8157]

Alien 3 happened

[@giantmastersword]

It's way too easy to bury a video or document on a company's actions. We have a ton of examples of that in real life. all they need to say is that "it's evidence in an ongoing case so nobody is allowed to see it" and they can keep it quiet in a place so boring that nobody would care about it... Now, people? People refuse to be quiet. It's very difficult to keep an important figure's fall out of the public eye. It can be done, of course... Relocation of personnel to backwaters where they can do nothing but stay quiet tends to happen quite often. However, having Burke alive gives much better odds on making the company pay.

[@kblargh]

You know me and my endless diatribes. I've actually just been nodding along for most of it, but Gorman ordering the Marines to remove their ammo bothers me a whole lot more than a little. First of all, they weren't actively engaged in combat at that time - he had the time to explain the call to them. Second, hitting the cooling system of a nuclear reactor with gunfire does not immediately result in a thermonuclear explosion; we're talking about a core meltdown, radiation leak, all of which take time and none of which is guaranteed to send the core into critical mass. Granted this is a Fusion Reactor, not a PWR, but we do have in-universe precedent for this - when Ripley deliberately completely shut off the cooling system of the Nostromo, it took the ship a full ten minutes to actually detonate, under a system specifically designed to detonate the ship, not a system designed to keep the core from exploding even under catastrophic failure. Now i just deleted a massive diatribe expounding on what an asinine decision it was to force the Marines to surrender their firepower, all i think really matters is this: If you can't trust your highly trained and experienced Marines to check their fire when their lives are in danger, and don't offer them any viable alternative, DON'T SEND THEM IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. No seriously, Gorman is having his team go into the worst possible terrain to fight an unknown enemy while safely extracting 150+ civilians, and instead of advising them of the situation and trust them to act accordingly, he has them surrender their ammo like children. Just what outcome did he expect after sabotaging his own platoon's combat effectiveness? It would have taken what, 30 minutes to have them go back to the APC and rearm with flame units? Those Colonists have been in that reactor for days or weeks at this point. So Vasquez, upon hearing this, and seeing her actual CO's protest get cut off and dismissed without even being able to make his case, does what she deems necessary to protect herself and her team - and the novel makes this explicit, at no point in that entire confrontation did she ever lose her cool. I think Apone probably knew those Smartguns were hot, or at least suspected, but probably decided - correctly - that that was a better situation than going deep into a dangerous enemy's nest with only three flamethrowers and a shotgun to defend themselves. And by the way, there's no way i believe Dutch's team would have fared any better under the same circumstances, not when surrounded by 150+ monsters that can ambush them from anywhere in that terrain after being forced to disarm by an incompetent CO. The Marines did amazingly well to be able to maintain enough discipline to fight their way out of there while literally being swarmed. With that out of the way, there's a bit i really liked in a deleted scene that i hate that they removed. After the first round of Sentry Gun fire, the Aliens start ramming the pressure door to try to get into the complex. Originally, the sound of them doing that would persist throughout the Emergency Venting scene, until it slips out of mind right as Bishop volunteers to go out there to call the Dropship. Then Vasquez - who once again is much sharper than she lets on - immediately interrupts the team with _"Listen! It stopped."_ . Leading Hicks to quickly surmise that they're in the complex, leading to the second volley of Sentry Gun fire. Why Burke has to go back... i dunno. If anything, he might be able to lie his way out that mess and somehow pin it on them, corporate slime being his world and all. But i do love a great little detail when, once Hicks grabs Burke to shoot him - blink and you'll miss it - Vasquez draws her sidearm and hands it to Hicks. Like, they were all agreed on it, no question. Those were Warriors, btw. Drone was in Alien, has the skull semi-visible under the dome. Warriors are the ones with the ridges - less smart but overall stronger, which plays right into their strengths when there's over a hundred of them. Could i leave Newt behind? I don't see how i could, but to face that kind of horror is... well, sheer horror, so i know i'd at least be keeping a spare grenade in my pocket, just in case. Which brings me to another moment i love in this movie: Ripley keeps busy arming herself, takes a moment to say goodbye to Hicks, then runs out the Dropship, gets in the elevator, readies her weapons - and then, just for a few seconds she has nothing to busy herself with, so she tilts her head up, closes her eyes, breathes in - and you automatically know she's bracing herself for the horror in that moment, just taking it in and clearing her mind. And when she opens her eyes again, it's just determination. Love that scene. Would Ripley had just left with Newt? Yeah, i think so. She had too much to protect to lose her cool then and there - and she did lose her cool, let's not kid ourselves. She reached that platform with no ability left to defend herself. Little aside here, i think it was lucky that it was the Queen that was the final boss and not some Warrior or Drone, because despite how much stronger and more menacing the Queen is, i'm pretty sure just a regular old Drone in that situation would have been far deadlier. Anyway, great end to a saga. Just like with Terminator, short run of only two movies but they made more with them and most trilogies, tetralogies or heptalogies out there.

[@mandarinmayhem95]

you look like anthony fantano

[@appletreeblunt]

hi u !

[@MercuryKnight5]

Please, please don't tell me I owe one of my favorite movies to the man who's done more damage to society than any other living human..

[@ThePorpoisepower]

1. As bad as Alien: Resurection is... it's far more watchable, than Alien 3. Alien 3 is just a lot of people spouting religious/philosophical bullshit and people threatening/justifying/ and even attempting to rape Ripley. Alien Resurrection how ever: Total Self Parody of the entire series, Is a prototype Firefly.... Seriously Ron Perlman IS Jayne.... how cool is that, was directed by Jean-Pierre Jeunet (WTF ???, and awesome if you love his movies,which I do). 2. Did the Alien Queen permanently sacrifice her egg laying to attack Ripley? Is that a conscious decsision themeatically?

[@shawnspencer8157]

Alien 3 is amazing

[@kellinwinslow1988]

The last truly good Alien film. After seeing the directors cut first on Laserdisc, it's the only version that exists. After this it's all various levels of garbage. Too bad Cameron didn't get to do the third one like he talks about in the special blu ray commentary for the film. Actually saw this opening night. My friends and I had no idea what to expect since we hadn't seen Terminator. I haven't gone to a theater since I saw The Tree Of Life back in 2011,but used to go all the time since the mid 70's. Aliens was the best theater experience I've ever had. One of the few sequels,along with stuff like Godfather 2, Empire,The Raid 2 and Patlabor 2,that work as well as the first film because Cameron didn't try and copy the first film. Sometimes straying too far from what made the original doesn't work,see The Last Jedi for a perfect example,and sometimes,like with Aliens,it does. Great film but should have never become a franchise.

[@shawnspencer8157]

Alien 3 is great

[@kellinwinslow1988]

@@shawnspencer8157 Alien 3 is far too compromised to be good. Maybe if Fintcher was on it from the start instead of like the third director,maybe if they had a good script that didn't just try to recycle the first film. There are so many issues with it that it's painful to watch. Just totally garbage,only it's nice looking garbage. Except when the effects are bad.

[@SexycuteStudios]

Vietnam in Space. Incredibly dated.