Rumination Analysis on Blade Runner

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[@aanon4019]

List of topics: 0:00 Intro 1:00 The different versions 4:00 Cyberpunk + the plight of the individual in the BR world despite amazing advances in technology 7:50 What's might it be like off-world? 9:40 Directorial style: so much visual presentation / world building, no need for narration 13:40 More on the different versions and on how open BR is to interpretation 15:00 Eye motif 18:45 Animal motif 22:00 The Replicants, their difficulties with complex emotions 24:00 The Replicants, "Droid effect" - 26:40 Roy Batty 29:40 The characters - 29:55 Pris - 31:35 Zhora - 33:05 Leon - 34:35 Tyrell (see eye motif for more) (35:45 Roy killing Tyrell) - 36:00 More on Roy, his progression through the film (38:00 Why save Deckard's life?) - 41:35 Deckard (& is he human or replicant) 46:30 The theme of the individual not mattering 50:15 Outro

[@Aeon2Flux]

Good job on Timestamping this wonderful look into Blade Runner by Arch..You rock Anon!

[@78996thefox]

I always saw Roy saving Decker as a sign of empathy. Replicates are said to not have empathy, but it could be that due to their 4 year life span, they don't live long enough to develop empathy. The only thing that separates humans from replicates and only way for a human to tell them apart. So in the end, Roy becomes human.

[@WillyLee23]

I love your intros. It makes me feel like I'm on a journey to seek knowledge from the wise man on top of the mountain.

[@williamozier918]

Wow, hats off to you sir. You are correct that Blade Runner is one of the most discussed movies ever, yet you managed to hit on some points I've never heard addressed before. Way to get that last cheeto out the bag.

[@TheMusicalGameroriginal]

I just watched it for the first time. The impression I got from Roy saving Deckard was that he was toying with deckard so he would understand the fear and hate he experienced his whole life and then he saves deckard, in part to show that he is not like deckard, like he is better, and so that deckard can live with that new understanding of how the replicants feel.

[@heckyeah4314]

The Musical Gamer I don’t think Roy seemed that spiteful in his last moments.

[@MariahSyn]

Wow. I am simply amazed. I've seen Blade Runner a few times (I even own the final cut) and yet the film as a whole has been something of an enigma. I always understood it to be a deep film but until I watched your rumination analysis I never understood it. It seems so obvious now once someone opens the door. Thanks for opening my eyes!

[@miguelpereira9859]

Mariah Sinclair A masterpiece!!

[@ACMCUK]

He spared him as he felt he had taught him the lesson he wanted him to learn.

[@rahulshah1408]

And he did with Rachel. I agree. Also goes with the theme of empathy.

[@KajiCarson]

It's an extraordinary film for sure. Loneliness, personhood, the threat of globalization... lots of challenging themes for a two-hour film to tackle, but Blade Runner sure does it, and successfully too, imo. It's a film that encourages critical thinking, as does your analysis, Señor Lore. (This was a wonderful introduction to your show.)

[@T0MBRA1D3RR]

This is so relaxing to listen to. Solid review. You covered so many important points and I love the attention to detail here. Thank you, Lorerunner!

[@adamchoquette1937]

I believe Roy spares Deckard as it echoes back to the turtle question posed to Leon, and the idea that replicants lack empathy. Roy sees the turtle on it's back (Deckard holding on for dear life), and understands his situation, so he helps him up.

[@tonyshortland8812]

Adam, i thought the point was a 'lack' of empathy?

[@ropedragon9709]

Maybe. It could be that Roy also needed a witness to his tale, so that it might partly live on, even if he won't.

[@ctd3066]

I really like the ambient sound in this video. Its comfy. Almost as comfy as watching bladerunner:)

[@Rally351]

Ned funny you say that when Mile stoklasa talks about the sequel feeling like "a nightmare blanket."

[@cmdr.theodoricos9995]

Thank you so much for doing my request, so early after the features were renewed too! I really appreciated hearing your thoughts on the movie and I agree with everything that you said. Some aspects had escaped me completely even, including the new theme that you brought up at the end of the rumination as well as some of the animal motifs. As for the Deckard being a human or a replicant debate, I stand firmly behind the fact that he's human regardless of what Ridley Scott has said. First off he's human in the book, that and the unicorn scene was added in subsequent versions. I also think the narrative and the movie's themes work much better if he's human. It's important to show how in some aspects humans and replicants are really similar to each other, and yes, even their capacity for empathy (at least by the end of their lifespan), and if Deckard was a replicant then we wouldn't have the dichotomy represented on a personal level. Also Harrison Ford himself has said that him being human helps us put ourselves in his shoes more easily as an audience and I agree with that.

[@TheSwiatu]

Your final interpretation is exactly how I see the movie, too. The improvised "like tears in rain" really sums up the entire movie. The point about Decard being replicant or not is not as interesting, mainly because it would not change anything either way. That] itself is more fun than the "real" answer.

[@JustinStoutArt]

Zoras death was pretty sad too. All she wanted to do was live and she was murdered by Deckard.

[@jamesjudo5]

Ty arch for making great content again. I know it escapism but your content helps me forget about my own problems for a while and relax as I have serious anxiety and insomnia issues. Been watching your content for many years now and I hope very very much you will never stop. Seriously your work effects peoples lives dramatically for the better and I just wanted you to know that.

[@discasting]

Great analysis once again. Your theory of the main theme of the film was interesting. I think the main theme is death of a human/replicant life and the understanding how the length of that life (particularly with the replicants as their life expectancy is very short) does not necessarily has anything to do with how good that life is. In other words, even short life can be significant, important, and glorious, full of meaning. Perhaps I have ended up to think this as the main theme because many years ago I knew a person with an innate heart disease. Since his childhood his parents were always told how he is going to live only few years. His lips were blue because his heart didn't work properly, but he lived quite full life despite of the fact he died when he was 27 years old. I was also at his funeral. Never seen so much young people in a funeral. He had a lot of friends and close ones and he did a lot of things, perhaps much more than people who have much more time during their life. So this is what I saw on Blade Runner when Gaff said "It's too bad she won't live, but then again who does?". In my interpretation all the things Deckard experienced during the film lead this to point to accept the fact Rachael's is going to die, and eventually Deckard himself will die. Like you said, Deckard seem quite desperate and sad figure during the film, but in my opinion he gets that burden away here at the end. It is kind of a beautiful paradox: he has found meaning of life by realizing how short and fragile it actually is. And he is ready to embrace it together with Rachael, no matter long it will last.

[@curlybobz]

Best and most entertaining analysis of the film I have ever heard. In the end on the roof top there is a moment where Roy is standing next to a windmill. It is one of man oldest and most primitive of man's technologies. Roy is the highest expression of technology. Where has this development led us? Is there hope for mankind?. I think there is. Roy shows compassion for Deckard by saving him from falling. He then accepts his own death and delivers a soliloguy that it sounds like it could have come right out of Shakespear. He releases the white pidgeon that wings its way up to the one small patch of sunlight that dimly shines through the grey clouds and we know that he is the one person in the movie who does have a soul. In the beginning he did not come to earth to be human, who would he see to want to emulate, but simply to survive at any cost. In the end he is probably is the most human of the characters.

[@garyburley2283]

your description of Tyrell being off human is spot on, in the concept stage of this film, the concept artist, syd mead drew tyrells cryogenic stasis chamber and Ridley Scott didn't have enough money to film it, and the scene went something like this in the books, etc etc. Roy murders Tyrell and finds upon doing so that Tyrell is a replicant, Roy then finds the secret stairwell that lowers into his chamber and ascends up into the cryogenic room and murders the real Eldon Tyrell. its a fact of production that is out there in the many books and in some of the documentaries also there is the very real concept picture of the cryo chamber by the then employed Syd Mead for the movie

[@tomfoolery5844]

“It’s a shame she won’t live...but then again who does?” My favorite and most encapsulating line of the story. Love your final point as it isn’t usually discussed, and often the line is associated with Deckard being a replicant. I love the original cut for that very reason. The monologues honestly don’t detract from the scene or the atmosphere, and the Deckard/replicant question is far more ambiguous. The original cut largely depicts how life has or never will truly lived up to the ideal that we like to ascribe to it. The cityscape and characters depict the loss of the individual through the loss of the ideal. That is, until the very end when Roy, acting through his own ideals, not the ones programmed into him, decides to save Deckard. And then Deckard decides to make his own decision, disregarding years of good will and service with the city for the woman he loves. It is about the power of a single decision despite the power of the collective. At least that’s my interpretation.

[@skywalkr1972]

sir I been watching this film for 26 yrs. you have entered some new views I appreciate. thank you.

[@lochmoigh1]

Phillip Dick wrote a lot about what is real, questioning what was genuine and what was perceived. Ridley went another path to get to the same spot. What is human (real) and what is perceived? The Skin jobs are seen as not quite human at the beginning of the film, they have killed to make it to earth and continue to act in a violent manner. Roy at the end makes a choice that would be human, he is choosing to be compassionate by saving Deckard (who is a Replicant) , thus proving his humanity. The point you made about not mattering in the grand scheme is the tip of the iceberg. The police, Tyrell, Blade Runners, are all acting as not human, or real. They act on base instincts. The reason it makes sense that Deckard is a Replicant is the setting a non real person to catch non real people. When he asks Tyrell about Rachel "how does it not know what it is" it sets the stage for Deckard to explore his own Realness. In the end it is his decision to leave with Rachel that he shows his humanity ( or reality). Deckard as human from the outset would not really grow so much as finally make a stand, whereas a Nexus 6 (or 7) choosing to do what is right would fulfill Tyrell's tagline of more human than human.

[@opodeldox]

Roy spares Deckard to defy his destiny. He was build to kill and not killing Deckard proves, that replicants are not only machines and therefore slaves, is to act independent of their purpose.

[@gotd4m]

I have been on a massive cyberpunk kick lately. I love 2077, even though there is absolutely no denying the numerous.... issues... with the release. But damn, it is such a compelling genre/sungenre. Appreciate the Blade runner 1 and 2 ruminations. Both movies are CRIMINALLY underrated.

[@DeepScreenAnalysis]

The women in the movie gave incredibly sympathetic performances. Kudos to Sean, Daryl and Joanna.

[@lonewarrior250]

I believe the reason for the multicultural environment in the movie relates to the movie's main influence. In the book, Do Androids...yadda yadda, the entire Earth is essentially uninhabitable due to a nuclear war, as well as a massive plague that wiped out much of the life on the planet. Basically all of the world's population is crammed into a few densely populated cities around the world.

[@waynelenahan311]

Blade Runner. What a timeless classic Science Fiction movie, based on the novel "Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?" by Philip K. Dick. A very dark, atmospheric movie, with the excellent soundtrack by Vangelis, and various other artists, that combines many cultures in the cityscape of Los Angeles in 2019. The 5th Version: "Blade Runner: The Final Cut" (1982) (2007) is the version the way Ridley Scott wanted the movie to be. As far as the different versions that exist go, there are actually 7 versions, 5 of these versions which have been put on DVD and Blu-ray, and other formats. I will state these afterwards. Currently Known Versions: 1. Workprint Prototype Version (1982) 2. San Diego Sneak Preview Version (1982) 3. U.S. Theatrical Release (1982) - with Harrison Ford's narration (Rick Deckard's) throughout the movie. 4. International Theatrical Release (1982) 5. U.S. Broadcast Version (1986) 6. The Director's Cut (1992) 7. The Final Cut (2007) - What Ridley Scott considers the best version - The way he wanted it to be in the first place, but originally they wouldn't him to release it that way, thinking the audience would not understand what was going on - that's why they used ongoing narration in the first version of the movie for that very reason, much to his frustration. Five versions have been released on the formats listed below: 1. 3. 4. 6. and 7. To find the different versions that/have existed on VHS, Betamax, Laserdisc, DVD, and Blu-ray go to Wikipedia: Versions of Blade Runner, to find out what has been released up to now.

[@EnvisionerWill]

Random thought: there's a roleplaying game called Cyberpunk 2020, which Lore namechecked in this 2016 rumination. In 2020, the game Cyberpunk 2077 came out. So now, as I write this in 2021, I find myself hoping that in 2077 they'll publish a holonovel or whatever we have at the time, and title it "Cyberpunk 2116".

[@merlinaquaelius]

This is the video I've been looking for for so long

[@Hummingbirder1]

I really don't think you're the only one who left the film with the feeling that it really was Roy Batty who was the main character in the end. For me it was like that, but that was mainly thanks Rutger Hauer's own input.

[@HadoukenX]

I watched Blade Runner for my 1st time 40 years after it's release. (Crazy how time works.) I'm a fan of that spectrum of entertainment and have always known about it. It just always lurked in the shadows as the years went by. All I can say is, why didn't I see it sooner?!?!

[@williamozier918]

You wondered what the Outer Colonies are like in Blade Runner. In my head cannon most 'gritty' sci fi stories fit into the BR verse for me. Such as: Aliens. Avatar. Riddick. And even Passengers. In my head cannon the movie Starship Trooper verse eventually took over and fixed the messed up Blade Runner world.

[@kurtnovells]

I don't think it matters if our protagonist is replicant or human. It's fun to play around with this question, but the outcome doesn't matter. Everyone is always talking about this subject while I think the movie has so much stronger material to focus on. All the details and world building in this film is just fantastic and that still holds up to this very day. Second: Roy Batty is the main character in this movie and Rutger Hauer elevates this to a whole other level with his performance. I still think it is his best work. I love the early directors version of this movie. Pre updated visuals and no unicorn dream (I think that scene adds very little, the origami of Gaff is plenty of symbolism). no voiceover, not going of into the sunset in the end. But going out strong with the words of Blade Runner Gaff: "too bad she won't live, but again who does?" That line together with Roy Batty's final speech blew my mind the first time I saw this film. It's really bittersweet but beautiful and I really don't understand what a helicopter scene had to add to that.. But again having the option to see multiple versions of this movie makes it even stronger... If only someone like George Lucas would understand such a concept..

[@OfficialAndies]

Do love these long form review/analysis

[@permeus2nd]

ok so you could do a live watching of blade runner or any film, ive seen a couple of channels do this. how it works is you sit and watch the film on your end and the viewers watch it on there end so that you are watching it together, now i have seen it done with ""sporting"" event like WWE PPV's so doing it with a film would need a bit more setup as you need to pick a version to watch and synchronises the start, but been a bit out wouldn't be much of a problem. just did a look and neither netflix and amazon prime have it up (im sure they did at one point, but sigh) so for use that dont have a copy we can just watch a talking head witch im sure a lot of use would be completely ok with :)

[@TheDarkrein]

One of my favorite movies of all time. Very exited for the new one as well.

[@robkoh7290]

With the advent of Bladerunner Blackout 2022, the theory (yours or otherwise) about Replicants fighting other Replicants was spot on. Treated like toy soldiers.

[@EstebanGunn]

Total warm blanket and hot coco video! Love it Arch!

[@rahulshah1408]

I always thought Tyrell’s hubris was larger than life. He appreciated the fact Roy outsmarted everyone. He saw himself in him and didn’t fear his creation. He would have been prepared for this considering his intelligence. I do believe Tyrell was also a replicant or clone because he was still on Earth. Also his lack of empathy. As was said about the animal theme, they are reserved for the replicant characters. So, which animal is Rachel? Why was she shunned as soon as Deckerd figured her out? Does her lack of animal motif make her human? I just noticed the only time the sun is out is with Rachel. Also, from the deleted scene with Roy in the elevator, the mom voice makes him realize what a lie his life has been.

[@ji-angsu7568]

these are really helping w/my project for school so, bless

[@WarCriminalPhlox]

You're going to do The Lord of the Rings? Can't wait for it.

[@mageslime]

I thought the biggest theme was dehumanizing replicants as mere robots when really they are the same as humans in every way that matters. Your interpretation of dehumanizing humans also works and I just didn't think about it before.

[@EnvisionerWill]

The gloves he's wearing in this one are a VERY different look for him; pretty much the only other time I think I recall him covering his hands was maybe in the Star Wars Episode 1 video. Which is fitting, because he pretty much looks like Darth Magus with those black gloves on and the little hint of a beard, even without the hood or anything.

[@conrad152]

Excellent analysis.

[@towermoss]

We know nothing about Deckard. For all we know, he could be the same model, or more advanced as Rachel. He could have no past and no family. He's a replicant built to hunt replicants. Rachel is a mirror reflecting Deckard's nature. The theme of the movie is "What does it mean to be human?" Deckard is the unicorn, the wondrous miracle, and Gaff is there watching over him. "You did a man's job," he says. The subsequent 2049 movie further solidifies my belief.

[@Corleth]

Highly enjoyable analysis, sir. Thank you.

[@egoalter1276]

I'd say that any 'punk setting is the result of thechnological development outstripping societal development. And by this logic, I'd argue that the first version of 'punk is actually the works of Jules Verne.

[@George_M_]

I loved the replicants - they had a kind of primal magnificence. That missing from the sequel helped kill it for me. Just sad clones. Roy saving Deckard seemed to me to be an act of genuine compassion without expectation. I agree 100% - he did it because it was a *choice*

[@SusanMiles]

my favorite film, thank you Arch! :D *settles down to listen

[@KurticeYZreacts]

ive also heard so many interpretations and i agree theyre all great!

[@Abe_Hiroshi]

You should do a lorerun on the game, it's not very long you could get through it in an afternoon!

[@akirru]

Thanks for the vid. Probably my all time favourite film :)

[@Stukov961]

About Roy fighting humans or replicants of other human factions in his past as a military model: Ridley Scott has stated that Blade Runner and Alien are set in the same universe, one that has to our knowledge two living xeno species, plus one implied to be extinct.

[@miguelpereira9859]

Groetgaffel I don't really see what putting Blade Runner and Alien in the same universe what add anything to the movie as an Art piece

[@birddogg62]

I would be interested to see a rumination on Valkyrie Profile.

[@toverkleet]

eey Arch. Rutger Hauer is pronounced as Ruuhtger Hower :p

[@PascalGrüger276]

Watched it for the first time recently and felt completely lost at times

[@planetejobn5616]

Awesomeness!!! One of my Favorite Movies

[@Al-bv2st]

Why leave a so large background behind you if you don't show any image !!!! ????

[@thac0twenty377]

Hey. I dont know of anyone added this below, but to see what off world is like watch "SOLDIER" with kurt ruseel. It's cannon that it takes place in the same universe as Blade Runner.

[@Antara755]

Short story, Philip K. Dick was thinking about the Nazi's not having empathy, it must be impossible to have a human "soul" to commit such atrocities. After that he began thinking about the androids, soulless machine that resemble a human in every detail.

[@ConnorGardner]

I'd love if you'd talk about Apocalypse Now. It's an incredibly deep movie, and it'd be great for an analysis!

[@incognito8869]

Interesting analysis as always and a Blade Runner Lorerun would be awesome.. By the way, have you played the Blade Runner adventure game that came out in '97? Pretty crappy lol I couldn't even play through much of it because of how it's aged. But I did like it just for giving me a chance to interact with the Blade Runner world. Also, if you've played Snatcher it'd be cool to hear your thoughts on that one sometime!

[@scorpiothegreat1]

You should do some movie commentaries. I think It would be fun.

[@chupathrash87]

I know that you will probably never see this comment after so long , but real origin of cyberpunk are French comic books , SF from Metal Hurlant etc.

[@HailCrimsonKing]

Great analysis. I'll be honest when I first saw this movie I found it slow but I think I need to give it another chance. Also I love the cloak

[@guitarwizard123]

Hey, arch!. Been waiting for this one for ages. Gonna make a cup of tea and enjoy this. Have you played the point and click Blade Runner game? Hope you haven't played it on stream and I have missed it, would love to hear your take on that game as you play it live. Maybe that would fill that need to lore run Blade Runner? just a idea That I think would be awesome. Also, if anyone hasn't played the Blade Runner game, Go play it, IT IS AWESOME!.

[@JustinStoutArt]

I always found it ironic that Tyrell and Wallace need glasses and ocular droids to see and they make replicants. 😆

[@LuckyDogProductions]

Great insights.

[@quicksilvertongue3248]

I don't consider myself very intelligent anymore, but I do have certain perceptive abilities, and I definitely look at the world and see how bad things are.

[@narancauk]

Brilliant analysis. Thank you. One question. What IF nobody is a replicant! Only human. Like they all will be in November 2019

[@callumblake4598]

Hold up hold up. You say you came out the year Blade Runner did, but I remember watching the New Vegas lorerun and people were talking about your age and you said you were older than anyone on. One person said they were 36 and you said you were older than that, but that would mean you are older than Blade Runner. Sneaky Arch...

[@wadeheaton123]

IN MEMORIAM ROY BATTY His Royal Satanic Majesty NEXUS 6. January 8, 2016 - November 2018 MORE HUMAN THAN HUMAN Motto: Tyrell Corporation Roy Batty is Blade Runner’s True Hero. I first saw Blade Runner at a preview screening at The Directors’s Guild On Sunset Boulevard in 1982. I sat next to Cassie Peterson (Elvira), but that’s another story and will be told at another time. I found the Voiceover Narration execrable and the editing choppy, sort of a big disappointment. I did, however, really love the music, visuals and special effects. I discovered the choppiness was due to many missing scenes and just plain downright sloppy cutting. I saw the Director’s Cut in 1992, and it was a Revelation. My jaw literally dropped open and I rose up in my seat as the hairs on the back of my neck stood on end. Out of the Darkness rose Roy Batty, with his silvery-White mane and piercing blue eyes, wearing a high-collared black leather long coat, declaiming epic verse like a Luciferian Demon Fallen from the Heavens. Batty’s Entrance and Exit speeches are marvelous Revelations of Character. At first I took his words to be from John Milton’s Paradise Lost. So for decades I saw Roy Batty as Satan come to Earth, seeking out his Creator to exact his Just Vengeance. Only recently I learned that he was slightly misquoting William Blake from America: A Prophecy. “Fiery the Angels fell Deep Thunder rolled around the Shores, Burning with the Fires of Orc.” As he climbs his way up to the Pinnacle of the Tyrell Corporation to avenge his Death Sentence and possibly gain a Reprieve, he becomes an Angel of Death. His Name Roy: (French, roi-King; Batty ( Baddie or Crazy). He is the King Crazy Bad Guy in the (Cyber) Flesh. His Antagonist, Rick Deckard, The nominal Hero, is a professional killer. A Blade Runner, though exactly what William S. Burroughs title for an Aztec Warrior is supposed to mean still eludes my understanding. Deckard is dead inside. A burnout case, barely able to cope with his recall to duty. He shuffles around like the Walking Dead, trying to end the cyberlives of bio-synthetic Fugitives. The Irony, of course, is that if he does nothing, the Replicants will all die anyway in a very short time. In the end, it is the Luciferian Angel who grants Life to his Adversary, becoming the real Hero and “More Than Human” in his final Apotheosis. “I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All these moments will be lost in Time, like Tears in the Rain.”

[@luizzeroxis]

Wait, Brazil is a dystopia?

[@Ralndrath]

It'd be awesome if you one day did a Rumination of my novel I'm working on The Angaran Chronicles: The Underside. Your insights are really quite interesting indeed.

[@SeedyLocation]

I play Android: Netrunner. I imagine that world to have the same theme as you discribed.

[@ryanstone2676]

I always thought that the colonies had to be worse. Why else would Tyrell choose to still live in LA? And why would they keep the slaves in better living conditions off world?

[@mineakin1656]

Hi Lonerunner Considering System Shock 1 remake is coming out soon and System Shock 3 is in the works, not to mention some really good mods for ss2 by fans... would you be interested in taking a look at the old (any one of) the system shock games? :)

[@andrewledbetter4112]

Rachel is the unicorn

[@Cunnysmythe]

Thought this'd be about the 1997 game that never gets mentioned any more

[@NerdManReturns]

So Arch is 34 years old huh?

[@u4n273]

What will be Rachel's animal counter part? Deer? (Shy as well but curious).

[@Lorerunner]

I would say deer or doe or whatever they're called, yes.

[@stephenphilips8024]

Spider.

[@josenavas9968]

u4n i thought about that too. Her character was more a preteen who just becoming aware of place as soon to be women. As it was mention in the movie. She is consider special! Does that mean she the next improvement in the series? With the ability to reproduce??

[@jamesfreeman7954]

wowowow Very Thorough. Great analysis. Are you going to do one on Deus ex mankind divided?

[@LordMalice6d9]

I thought Logan's Run helped popularize cyberpunk?

[@johngun7418]

oh now I see why people compare a lot of things from fallout 4 to this movie....well except fallout 4 didn't really ask any of these questions, they kind of just told at us what we should think.

[@birddogg62]

I don't think people would be slaves off world. If I recall replicants did all heavy labor or at least it's implied.

[@johnmonk9167]

Cool stuff.

[@tonyannicelli9365]

Never understood exactly why Roy spared Decker????

[@thorntonwager6750]

Tony Annicelli He passes on his memories and experiences through Deckard so he can live on in some form. My interpretation

[@schjonicus]

Bravo !

[@KurticeYZreacts]

one could say his shading of glory is simply manipulation attempts thats how i saw it but ur right he does glorify them

[@chobogamer]

no mention of gnosticism ? even today it seems like the actors still dont get that this is what its about. can this be true? why is gnosticism so rampant today? who stands to gain from everyone believing we are in a prison? check out the interview with Sean young where she says she hope society wont be like that in 2020. Militia est vita hominis super terram.

[@toverkleet]

i was hoping to discuss the movie over twitch ^^ too bad :)

[@youtubed3951]

haven't finished the video yet, but w3hat are your thoughts on the new blade runner 2 announcement

[@cedarandsound]

Why are you wearing gloves?

[@TheDruidKing]

He has something stuck to his chin too.

[@WhiskeyTango76s]

Yeah that's something I've wondered too. At first I thought he had some kind of condition but I'm thinking it's just something he uses to to express himself because it's not just the gloves but some of his outfits too

[@kamenrideraquarius]

@@WhiskeyTango76s the gloves are part of his outfititsfrom kingdom hearts

[@ivorybooker8957]

You wanna do a Lorerun on this? Go to Cytube.

[@quicksilvertongue3248]

The wind chimes were not ideal here imo

[@superfluffyshmoopy299]

👏

[@benquinney2]

Opulence,I has it

[@AncientArcaneCore]

9:20 About cheap labor for the colonies;; if you have intelligent androids and other AI, why would you need human labor at all? I haven't seen the movie, so it doesn't make much sense.

[@Lorerunner]

And yet several fictional settings use slave labor instead of the cheaper, easier access to robots, droids, or what have you. The general idea is either that the human life is actually worth LESS than the 'cheaper' alternative, thus either being or being perceived as cheaper... or 2, it's part of a deliberate attempt to grind down the lower classes of people.

[@seekernomanjango]

+Lorerunner A real life example of this is in the American south after the slave trade was banned, slaves became a valuable resource more valuable than immigrant labour who were promptly given the most dangerous jobs.

[@timlennox7491]

The mere existence of slaves in a society lowers the wages of all workers. Having slaves around means you can pay "free" workers less, and you still need "free" workers to do the jobs you can't trust to the slaves (either because of experience, empathy, or sensitivity). I imagine the effect with robots is lower than it is with "human" slaves, ie, wages don't go down as much with a robot workforce as it does with a slave workforce. But it's hard to know without a historical reference point (a society with a robot work force to compare to one with a slave work force). Of course, the Blade Runner/Alien world may have mixed labor and we just never see the armies of robots working the factory floors, though that is always what I imagined was happening at Tyrell's manufacturing plants. BTW, why no reference to Weyland-Yutani in Blade Runner? Why no reference to Tyrell in Alien? Does anyone know? I'm curious that Rachel did not get more consideration in your (always insightful) rumination. I think she drives the plot as much as any of the other characters. As Deckard develops feelings for her, with her, the hopelessness of the entire setting slowly begins to melt. Deckard is saved at a point when his life is finally worth saving, when he finds purpose, when he finds meaning loving/protecting Rachel.

[@TheJenSolo]

Tim Lennox Ridley has since confirmed that the Alien and Blade Runner universes are shared, but separated by time. He considered making David a "Roy" model but decided he didn't want the timelines to link that closely. See the special features on Prometheus DVD and Blu-Ray for the source of my info. In light of Alien: Covenant developments, it's clear Ridley is continuing to think about artificial life's relationship to its creators, whether A.I. can become creator itself, what that says about what it means to be human, and the evolution of humanity vs. the evolution of A.I. Some people see this as a betrayal of the horror/suspense genre roots of Alien, while I view it as a natural progression of those themes. Even before Ridley confirmed it, I always felt Blade Runner and Alien were closely linked thematically in their exploration of the sociopolitical, moral and ethical implications of A.I. in the near-future. I have a long and complex relationship to Blade Runner as a film. It came out when I was 11, and I first saw it at age 14 on TBS cable in Atlanta on a Sunday afternoon, the theatrical version with the voiceover, but they didn't cut Roy's murder of Tyrell one frame. It was fascinating to me at that young age, my first exposure to a man kissing another man, which was even more shocking to my over-protected teen mind than the murder that followed it. Not sure where my mom was but she never would have allowed me to see these things, had she known! To this day, it's my favorite film, so many topics to discuss and debate, not to mention the effect on filmmaking and popular culture. I've seen every version and bought it on every format, including laserdisc and VHS before DVD existed, and it was the first Blu-Ray I ever bought. I've studied the work print and played "spot the difference" to the Final Cut. Despite its many flaws, I can watch Blade Runner repeatedly and never lose my passion for this film. Linking it to the Alien universe can only increase my enthusiasm!

[@toverkleet]

me dutchie ;)

[@RC1191217]

Bladerunner, and by extension cyberpunk, is an early critique of the neoliberal regime? Perhaps so. Another subtle point this genre contains: it is possible to make money off the poor. Keep them poor as a wealth-generating strategy.

[@toverkleet]

are my comments placed or am i just too fast for youtube? :s