RuneScape's Unusual Intern Program (OSRS)

[@dudeskidude8376]

“Ay Ash dont get your hopes up. Content Developing is out of your league mate.”

[@deafmetal7370]

*Mod Ash responds by angrily rewriting 1% of Runescape's code and the crowd goes wild*

[@slowmobius8105]

And now he has god status

[@BobbiPhantom]

How rich is God Ash now?

[@test-tl8dt]

im honestly dying to know who the tech millionaire who made monkey madness for runescape 15 years ago is LOL

[@OldSchoolRunescapes]

@@test-tl8dt www.linkedin.com/in/rahulvohra

[@devinmcdrip]

Crazy how 2 of the most iconic quests were designed by interns

[@fortnitespecialty5003]

one small favor tho

[@mijkolsmith]

I hate desert treasure though

[@matt5740]

@@mijkolsmith why's that? such an easy and useful quest...

[@lucasmitchell3628]

@@matt5740 Poorly designed all around, no funny npc interactions and humor like 90% of the other quests, worst quest bosses by a long shot and the areas you need to go through are hell at best.

[@Andreas67335]

Lucas Mitchell agreed the quest just feels like a waste of time. It’s only worth doing because it’s required for so much content further on and to access Ancient magics

[@Beriorn]

Monkey Madness being made by an intern explains why that quest has that accursed winding collapsing tunnel you need to run through at least twice.

[@HomeCookinMTG]

It's...really not that bad now tho. Stamina pots man. It sucked when half your inv had to be energy potions.

[@Timmy2Tough]

@@HomeCookinMTGit sucked doing it back at release as a kid who knew nothing about energy or couldn’t afford prayer pots. Took me 8 hours.

[@andrewprahst]

That talking sword quest sounds like it could be pretty fun. Let's bring it back

[@davebob4973]

sonic and the black knighr

[@Francisco-bu9ew]

I tought the same, Imagine having a sword with the "talk" option

[@LordWout]

Pretty cool to see how some of the most iconic content in the game was thought up or even developed by interns. This is why most companies love to have interns, because they are very open-minded and can think of things that the employees could never imagine.

[@ColonelloRS]

Agreed! I can’t even imagine RuneScape without Monkey Madness and MM2

[@Eyes0penNoFear]

@Rangus try going to the library (once it opens back up, of course!)

[@GrumpyIan]

Also free labor

[@apalo70]

Exploited, they didn’t get that $ and we don’t even know their names

[@waterdragon1908]

@@GrumpyIan As a software intern? No way in hell they weren't getting paid.

[@fabricatedlightning1158]

I was not expecting ash to say "allah allah zamorak" was the reason that intern was fired

[@coler2277]

Best fucking thing I’ve ever heard about runescape 😂😂😂

[@critharchie8043]

I’m screaming😂

[@27sspider27]

Best intern imo

[@CIubDuck]

Fukle Butterbutt They scrapped the whole "Ali" naming scheme in RS3 like pretty recently, just a few months ago due to concerns about racism or whatever. It's still Ali in OSRS though

[@CIubDuck]

Not like the lore in OSRS is watertight as it is currently anyway

[@DaBonkinator]

Are you serious? Monkey Madness was made entirely by an intern? Not even some, just the one. Damn.

[@KenMKenMKenM]

It was a buggy mess at first, but yeah, the guy went on to become a millionaire so he was clearly talented

[@MauriceV3]

@@KenMKenMKenM Are you telling us facts you learned 5 minuts ago?

[@battle1992]

M lmao 😂😂😂😂

[@slapslicks7531]

@@MauriceV3 facts we all learned 5 minutes ago. Lmfao

[@jordanmynes2638]

Nek minnit

[@NateWalley]

I had to watch the ALLA ALLA ZAMORAK part like 20 times, and i almost pissed myself laughing every time, wonderful.

[@benaccle]

I don't get whats offensive about that. What does it mean?

[@Alan-ou8tf]

@@benaccle he said Allah not "Alla"

[@Allegedly_Angel]

@@benaccle Allah just means "God". Zamorak is a runescape character/whatever iirc. So, it basically meant nothing, but since the mod team is a bunch of nerds who probably wanna be woke, they listened to a bunch of white people who heard "allah" and thought it sounded like "allahu akbar", which is supposedly what "terrorist" say before they blow themselves up

[@Kolt461]

People might hate Desert Treasure, but to me, it remains as one of the most memorable quests to me, just because of the story. Initially you just start out as a normal adventurer that will help out this archeologist unveil a hidden treasure, but the more you progress through the quest, the less it becomes about just some treasure, you go around collecting the 4 diamonds, which has the coolest themes ever: Blood, Smoke, Shadow and Ice. As you finally defeat the guardians and collect their respective diamonds, you return to the pyramid and ascend, and you discover that there was no literal treasure, but something greater... I am a sucker for quests that give you permanent power, this is why I love this quest for the story, because it feels like your character has unlocked more of his potential, same can be said with the Temple at Sentisten quest.

[@soociesoocie]

when in doubt just say "allah allah zamorak"

[@recu1]

zamorak allah allahhh

[@downfromthereeefters]

Lol as if that’s sooooo bad

[@bretert]

Lmaooo

[@acealexander6852]

There is zero need to bash Jagex with the title "disastrous" It was simply experimental and unexplored for it's time.

[@nolanfaught6974]

So you're telling me that Runescape DOESN'T follow the conventions of object-oriented programming, but the engine is written in java, which was INVENTED for OOP? Also, OOP was not a "new thing" in the early 2000's, people started using OOP as early as the late 60's!

[@Blittsplitt5]

Considering how wacky the movement and interactions in OSRS can be... Makes sense

[@0oShwavyo0]

I dont think that's the case, I think its that this "runescript" DSL developed for defining quest logic and stuff is written in a more functional style. From the short description on the wiki, it looks like it was developed for things like NPC dialogue where you're just scripting out a set of actions with minimal logic. My take on the first story is that the intern probably came up with some hacky ways of doing what he wanted to do by writing logic in these runescript files that didnt really have any place being there. He probably had to implement his own classes to create things that did not exist yet, and maybe the system wasnt really intended for that kind of thing to be done from within the scope of what this intern was working on, and that led to bugs down the line

[@tomcheng3903]

He means the content development, 'runescript' or whatever it's called - this is probably the case of some dumb cs student going wild & not knowing how to adapt to the codebase, only having been taught one thing in uni, rather than 'lol jagex is so dumb'

[@teste-yh5df]

@@0oShwavyo0 Runescape is garbage of the development! they should re-do the engine and all content

[@SjondeJongen]

I was thinking the same

[@cclemonb1222]

Binge watching Colonello's content. So well researched, like holy shit, how did this channel not blow up??

[@slapslicks7531]

I'm not going to lie my dude. You are using the word disastrous as click bait and it's a little off putting. Cumbersome? Maybe. Disastrous? Far from. Now we have desert treasure and monkey madness. Amongst the Most Iconic quests.

[@thatguy00271]

Preach

[@strongdadenergy7586]

Allah allah zamorak

[@JohnZazoMusic]

Thank god someone said it.

[@slapslicks7531]

@@strongdadenergy7586 I see your point.

[@dreamking893]

The fact that you could summon the monkey guards anywhere is hilarious.

[@AtomicPrimate]

3/4 success 1/4 disaster, i think they should give intern program another try

[@Jop3lius]

didnt you watch the video? yes they brought content, but the time wasted babysitting them by the content creators was away from them creating any content

[@sparkoceanic]

maybe interns could fix pvp

[@xpplusplus]

@@Jop3lius companies who treat an internship program as a chance a free/cheap labor are the worst. And yes, having someone "babysit" is exactly what you should be doing when you have an intern. They're people currently studying and you shouldn't expect them to know everything already, that's the point of the program.

[@SpazzK]

that zamorak line... oof lol

[@bryaneddy2647]

that’s BOLD as an intern😂

[@nox_chan]

Based

[@Mememaster12345]

@@nox_chan Based on what?

[@nox_chan]

@@Mememaster12345 get a load of this normie

[@richard343s]

pretty funny tbh

[@bushpilot223]

Wow... I can’t believe Monkey Madness was done by some random intern. Monkey Madness is, at least nostalgically, my favorite quest in RuneScape. As an 11 year old kid back in 2005, I was still an absolute noob in RS. I had only been playing for a few months. Online quest guides were either nonexistent or were absolutely terrible. I couldn’t manage to find one for MM. It took me almost a week to do that damn quest. It felt like a real accomplishment when I finally finished it and was able to equip that D Scimmy.

[@Arthur_RPGs]

Going off of one of my friends who was an intern at Jagex said this. "The daily life at Jagex was uncomfortable the internal politics between management and the developers hindered everyone's creative process, management controlled almost everything. Most of the time interns were stuck on customer support despite signing up to get coding experience. I would not recommend working with Jagex." seems like those Chinese investors sent in their own force of people to micro manage employees.

[@soupwithpotatos1542]

"The way you won was by writing the most lines of code." YandereDev would've won that.

[@Sousabird]

Yandev serving up that good Spaghetti

[@harrylane4]

If not the chalice wielder himself, then it would be Toby fox, who wrote undertale the exact same way. U

[@OldSchoolDudeGaming]

honestly, they need interns again. Just have them come up with ideas and not actually program anything lol. All of the content you mention are iconic.

[@ballzz2thewall]

Misleading title of the video, seemed like the program was quite a success

[@waleedkhalid7486]

Wow, some of the most iconic quests were made by interns! Honestly, they should consider hosting a competition. They take 5 interns, teach them the code, and the two people who create the best content out of it get a job offer.

[@JellyMyst]

Seems like this program would be of great benefit to Jagex if they made it specifically a game-design internship and removed the coding aspect, perhaps with a bit of art design involved to compensate. Have the intern(s) just design content for the game, to be implemented by a permanent employee.

[@ColonelloRS]

100% agreed

[@Blittsplitt5]

Exactly

[@Ragatokk]

Allot of very creative content from that program, it sounds worth it.

[@teranyan]

Exactly, the jmods might have hated the guys because they did some programming errors or failed to balance the content (which is more of a QA job), but it was super creative. They hated them because they did something cool while not having the technical expertise to pull it off.

[@DaemonRayge]

I knew what exactly you were gonna to explain as soon as I heard content dev and intern. The origins of DT is one of the funniest shit ever in the games history.

[@ICountFrom0]

All of a sudden, this gives a LOT of context to why Alien Food had such ISSUES trying to be "unguided" through these particular quests.

[@Pirate44444]

so just about the most iconic quest ever was created by an intern and you call this "disastrous"...

[@mikeymike7431]

Yeah makes no sense

[@lucasmitchell3628]

I'm sure the one guy helping them out went through hell and back to fix all the bugs and bloated stuff they made. The result might have been decent, or even good, but the effort put wasn't worth it.

[@tttriple]

Lucas Mitchell yeah, development and release of THE SINGLE MOST USED WEAPON, TO THIS DAY, “wasn’t worth it”, lol. The dragon scimitar defined runescape, I’d wager it being even more recognizable than a whip.

[@ryanharmer9979]

Ash was so dead inside when he said “alla alla Zamorak”

[@TVIDS123]

Object Oriented Programming isn't a fancy new thing. Java itself is an OOP language. If RS is programmed in OOP but without following OOP principles, I am astounded by how poor the programmers of RS must be.

[@crunk_lean]

I thought it was spaghetti code before, but after hearing this I am of the opinion that that OSRS has to run on some rancid, eldritch spaghetti that 40 year old COBOL systems will have trouble competing with.

[@Octanis0]

How is it even possible for so many programmers to jump into a java project and manage to avoid using OOP?

[@CRGB-ec3vu]

@@Octanis0 Cause Runescape has its own RuneScript for programming in content, the engine itself is java though.

[@Dennis19901]

Java is a multi--paradigm language. Not strictly OOP. That means Runescape doesn't have to be programmed in OOP, since Java isn't "just" an OOP language.

[@Archy__]

Disastrous? Everything they worked on became cemented within the game as iconic gameplay..... but from a company management standpoint it may have been a little cumbersome hah

[@zachariah7114]

I love Colonello but the title is def. clickbait

[@OSRSnChill]

Rs3 avi’s dont get opinions

[@Jellymiqo]

@@OSRSnChill nope hes got one right there maybe check again?

[@Falkuzrules]

Sorry this comment's a year old or so, but the fact that I don't see the word "disastrous" anywhere must mean that this person actually removed the clickbait from their title - that's admirable right there.

[@Orangesoda65]

Jagex: delte this.

[@jjspider22]

Dude that was a dope video thanks so much!! So well put together

[@ColonelloRS]

Glad you liked it!

[@daimeunpraytor7984]

Surprising how you described their outlook on using object oriented programming given that java is a object oriented language. Seems insane that you would try to use java without it but I guess runescript must get around all of the issues (still doesn't make sense to me lol).

[@hoppsanhejsan]

To be fair, java is a piece of shit language that shouldn't be used

[@breezychips1411]

@@hoppsanhejsan Java is THE most used language worldwide.

[@checker297]

@@hoppsanhejsan nothing is terrible if it gets the job done. I mean sure c++ is probably going to be more effective for a ton of things, but for simple automation tasks you can just use stuff like bash, perl or python. If it takes you 5 minutes to write the code in java instead of 5 days in c++ a lot of people will stick to java.

[@stevensteezy8420]

Gz on 100k subs.

[@chuckiswin]

Sounds like the interns made the most memorable quests to me!

[@adam-9o3t14]

So desert treasure, monkey madness, godwars dungeons prequests. All pre-2007s hardest quests besides legends. All done by interns. I hope they were paid lol

[@j3s0n]

I can understand him saying that to mod Ash. I imagine someone with a massive ego can't really handle the personality of someone like Ash (unapologetically straightforward) and they probably clashed a lot. So he probably said it to be nasty and petty. I personally cannot stand mod roq. I think he's got a an arrogant bully persona

[@Sparxy]

I agree, mod roq pisses me off sometimes, during the weekly q&a's he answers some legitimate questions as if it were the stupidest thing he has ever heard and pretty much roasts the guy asking it (this happened in the recent one). I also feel that if something doesnt apply to him in-game (I believe he plays a hcim), he doesnt give a fuck about it.

[@chrisford8500]

@@Sparxy yeah he is genuinely an annoying POS. Dude shouldn't be on the streams.

[@doctorkrieger519]

Desert treasure breakdown was awesome. Sweet video!

[@thatfellow7556]

This sounds like a relatively successful intern program if you ask This Fellow. A few interns produced a good deal of valuable content. Yeah sure they didn't always use good software practices, but that's not too uncommon for college graduates and a few years experience will have them on the right track. As for the problem of tying down a whole developer, this is often completely necessary in the short run because for a company to have a solid long-term outlook, they need to be able to hire new people and those new hires need to have a senior developer get them up to speed. The alternative is that you have a few really solid developers for a while and then you're company's done for if a few of them quit.

[@r0t-rs581]

I love you and your videos please keep it up man !

[@ColonelloRS]

Thanks, will do!

[@r0t-rs581]

Yay

[@DaveyScapes]

The creators name is Rahul Vohra. Pretty impressive

[@LionHeartSamy]

Every time I go to fish for karambwans trying to get a heron pet, I thank the Monkey Madness / Tai Bwo Wannai Trio intern for programming such a buggy mess that I just have to click on the fishing spot once and wait until I have a full inventory, since the fishing spot won't move. I'm sure people training 1-tick Cooking with karambwans and PvMers using karambwans to tick-eat will thank him too

[@Dinzbag]

Monkey madness guy seems interesting

[@William-Morey-Baker]

Monkey madness is still a trainwreck of a quest...

[@godric327]

One of those shots of Cambridge in the beginning of the video looked so much like RuneScape, specifically the bridge in Lumbridge.

[@mlalbaitero]

So the guy who made monkey madness is a millionaire

[@Derfiul]

Huh, just saw this again and the scrapped "talking sword" part just reminded me of this year's RS3's Halloween event, where in a part of it you get a ceremonial sword that, after using it to like, break a curse from a vampire, it gives itself to you as you're now bound to it (tho only as a cosmetic). Can't help but think it was at least barely inspired by that or maybe it's just a coincidence. Oh yeah, it also talks in sort of an uwu language, and has an attraction to werewolves blood.

[@hghg106]

So basically for example, when you teleport, you could teleport out, and your teleports would teleport to wherever you teleported to

[@chickendog3042]

NOTE TO EVERY TECH COMPANIE! If you have an Intern program don't give them entry-level tasks. If you are going to do that hire them as an Entry-level position not an unpaid intern or make them a paid intern! This happens to many times. In my experience in computer science, an intern job is a way for companies to not haft to pay the people making their stuff. If you are a composer science major fight for an entry-level job not an intern. They are the same thing.

[@melting_grrl]

Tbf if the game was written in Java, every single bit of code would be strictly OOP, by definition. Even if Runescript is an interpreted scripting language, it's really just an abstracted way to write and edit Java (thus OOP) code, using the Java classes & objects it would inherit or have access to.

[@0oShwavyo0]

Yeah I'm not really understanding that line about how no one working at a company developing primarily in Java could even read object oriented code. That just doesnt add up

[@Dennis19901]

That's just objectively false. Java is a multi-paradigm language, not strictly an OOP language. So no, not everything you write in Java is "strictly OOP by definition".

[@ZonymaUnltd.]

Very good video, well done!

[@roganjosh6220]

i didn't know it was possible for someone's voice to sound like it's being dragged over burnt coals

[@Falkuzrules]

I think there's something telling about the fact that they describe all the things that make Desert Treasure interesting and unique as "weird" or "a mess" or whatever they said specifically. I mainly play RS3 but I've played the newest F2P quests on both games and... please, just rehire these interns, they know what they're doing more than Jagass seems to.

[@itsicearmour]

Mod Ash is definitely NOT a multi-millionaire lol, the guy's as humble as they come.

[@AmyElnah]

He said that the intern is living the life of one, not that Ash is one...

[@daniel69]

This was good. I enjoyed

[@TheYellowPixel]

Sounds like jagex needs to hire more interns to make new quests

[@rabitwarior2]

yoooo 1:44 that's Motherlode Mine being developed, I LOVE MLM

[@Kingsblade7]

Yeah... In the middle of this video a bullet. A MFkn BULLET came through my window and into my wall. Edit: Turns out the neighbor shot his wife, the bullet went through her and through my wall and out my window. She alive..

[@naromofficial6049]

wtf call 911 not comment on here

[@Mememaster12345]

BRUH Did he do it on purpose?

[@ShotGunAnd]

The fuck?!

[@rpgfan007]

thats crazy yo but kudos to the dude who made mm quest, i love that quest still

[@ColonelloRS]

Agreed! Very iconic haha

[@Bawlscratcha]

Java is an object oriented programming language... it was meant to be used with OOP. Jagex developers just didn’t understand how to use the language...

[@Blittsplitt5]

So basically Jagex is stupid. Got it

[@Dennis19901]

Java is a multi-paradigm language. Not strictly OOP. And neither is it "meant to be used with OOP".

[@oatmongen4263]

I mean, it sounds like this intern program was pretty successful. All the quests were great.

[@brendantornabene5723]

“Alah Alah Zamorak” My sides

[@jacknorris6121]

Sounds like an amazing opportunity to be honest

[@cerval00]

Inaccurate title for how you spoke about it throughout the video.

[@Ryan-xq3kl]

Desert treasure was my favorite quest so far wtf

[@joe11125]

Very cool and great footage

[@EFYletsplays]

Great video! Wanted to give more than a like so I comment

[@josephbrant9827]

4:32... sounds like they kinda did a variation of this with the Generals Shadow miniquest.

[@SomChefen]

I got an osrs goldselling ad below this video

[@kairoknert2011]

YOU DIDNT HAD TO CUT ME OFF MAKE IT OUT LIKE IT NEVER HAPPENED AND THAT WE WERE NOTHING

[@FogsFles]

i would intern there

[@CabbageGod]

True. Doubt they pay much if anything considering what they pay their devs but it would still be awesome.

[@JackBWakeham]

@@CabbageGod entry requirements are also ridiculous.

[@Quietess]

The footage you put in from 6:14 onwards is from a RuneScape private server, not from RuneScape development lol.

[@DylanTheGlaswegian]

You say disastrous but I say good job, apart from the bugs that they created they made some of best quests in the game.

[@spiritofnex]

Imagine uploading at a normal time

[@pluviometerpolylemma]

Doesn't sound very 'disastrous' to me.

[@Allegedly_Angel]

Jagax really heard "Allah" which literally means "god" and confused it with "allahu akbar", which just means "god is great", but is associated with jihadists.

[@AnkanBob]

Imagine beeing one-hit by a al-kharid guard screaming name of the The All Praiseworthy

[@Kvatch1]

"disastrous" = the most interesting quests of rs3 and osrs

[@kynanverwimp847]

Programming work for the game wouldn't honestly be that bad of an idea ...

[@gage2198]

People usually say Oh-Oh-Pea instead of OOP btw.

[@turglow]

Sorry for asking this but if runescape doesn’t use OOP what does it use?? Like how do you structure something like that without OOP

[@nestnexus6594]

I wish there was video footage of these 1st 2 bugs in action 🤣

[@isaacr7416]

so sick an intern made monkey madness!! Crazy!

[@Howei1337]

I like your content. :)

[@simonh9987]

what's the song at 4 mins in. i know its incredibly obvious but i cant remember the name and its doing my head in

[@quantumperception]

I don't get it; you act like he said something super offensive, but all he said was "God is great" in Arabic? Don't get me wrong, I'm an atheist and think all religions are dumb, but I don't get how him putting "allah akbar" in the game is treated as if he used a racial slur or something. I mean I get removing it, but firing him over it? Seems a bit extreme for him slipping his religion into the game. Or again, is there something I am missing, or that you left out of your explanation. Seems, from what you said, like an overreaction, unless again, you aren't saying the actual thing for fear of the algorithm or something.

[@InfamousRafe]

".... Give himself to you." ;))

[@ColonelloRS]

UwU

[@x999uuu1]

Holy shit. They should do interns again. 2004-5 was a massive year for content. Think of how fast they could streamline the content they have in their backlog right now if they had a few now

[@oplkfdhgk]

Jagex :make the most amount code Me:JUNKCODE TIME!!!! :D

[@Mememaster12345]

YandereDev time :D

[@baldrian22]

the teleport bug and get the demon and gnomes to the location the player teleported must have made the game interesting for some time lol some guy teleports to varrock or falador trading world couple ticks later demon spawns in and start killing :p

[@onceyougobalcktv2949]

I'm not sure whether you said OOP was obscure programming, or Jagex was using some sort of obscure programming... Most companies utilize some sort of object oriented programming language: Ruby, Scala, Java, Python, C (variants), PHP, Perl, Visual Basic, MATLAB... The list goes on.

[@ColonelloRS]

Jagex does it obscurely haha

[@0oShwavyo0]

@@ColonelloRS how so? I can't really understand how professional Java developers wouldnt understand OOP. Are there any interviews or other sources talking about their development processes that go into more depth about that?

[@dondee4495]

Oh snap I'm doing an OOP exam right now with University haha

[@chairwood]

Object oriented programming is bad

[@JellyMyst]

@@chairwood I spot a fellow Brian Will fan.

[@chairwood]

@@JellyMyst see spot run

[@0oShwavyo0]

@@chairwood I'm not trying to say you're totally wrong but like the majority of code written today is object oriented so ofc hes learning it in school

[@Dennis19901]

@@chairwood Making such a blanket statement is kind of idiotic, not going to lie.

[@feskafeskavicius6453]

Nice video

[@ColonelloRS]

Tyvm!

[@lordsp]

DESERT TREASURE WAS MADE BY AN INTERN!?

[@jazlinyu9782]

Lmfao sounds like the interns did some of the most iconic and best quest in the entire game. Almost makes me think the regular devs kinda suck.

[@pkmkid84]

What is he saying at 5:24, and what does it mean?

[@calzyxt]

Only disastrous part of their intern programme is that actual Fagex employees didnt check their work... I mean they let an intern write an entire quest in unknown code AND post it to the live game.

[@teranyan]

Yep, how in the hell did they not expect to have to fix their shitty code? Sounds like the epic pros at Jagex at the time weren't that experienced either.

[@ZalvadorZali]

So the most important quests are created by interns, yet it was a "disaster"? Bring more interns!

[@nicksacco5041]

Still thought monkey madness and desert treasure were great quests