Running the MotoMaster Eliminator X-Trail A/T Through the Mud & Snow - How Does it Compare?

[@rightlanehog3151]

Stephen, Thanks for the full SPONSORSHIP disclosure. I have been on 'Canadian' Tire's case for years to actually stock their stores with more made in Canada merchandise. Buy Canadian!!

[@jack62509]

I purchased a set of these in October 2021 275/70/18 (33 inch) for my 2016 F150 FX4. The tires replaced a set of BFG K02. I was looking at another set of KO2s or Falken Wildpeaks. In the end, I chose the x-trails. The tires are extremely quiet, quieter than the outgoing tire. So far in mud, snow and road I have no complaints. Traction seems great. My l/100 km seems to have taken a hit by about 1-1.5 l/100 however, I attribute this to a heavier tire with 100% tread life and winter driving - which generally yields worse MPG. I paid about $1000 for a set of 4, compared to between $1700-$1800 for a set of k02 or Falkens. So far I’m happy with my purchase.

[@chadolive1]

if you were to have the choice of picking a cooper AT3 4S or an X trail Eliminator which would you pick? also sorry if I've repeated, but Cooper made the X trails for CNT. I know I will be happy with either 633.00$ for the X trails, and 707.00 $ for the Cooper'sAT3 4s, but, you get a 70 rebate after you buy them and send them in the mail lol so...4$ is the difference in price. 90,000 estimated km X trails, and 105,000 for the Coopers...

[@chadolive1]

yeah the X trails have a pretty funky read pattern that reminds me of the closest thing to a KO2.

[@jack62509]

@@chadolive1 Tough question. I’ve never driven the 4S so can’t really speak to it. I did look at one the other day and thought the tread pattern looked less aggressive than the x-trails. I remember thinking to myself “I bet those get better MPG than what I’m running”. If priced the same at the time of my purchase, I would have probably gone with the 4S. Only because it’s probably been around longer and therefore more proven than the x-trail.

[@humz403]

Must have went with the LT version, which would have been the reason for mpg hit.

[@rondail5675]

Thanks for the disclosure. Thanks to Canadian Tire for stepping up.

[@subaruwrxsti300]

Gratz TK for the Canadian Tire sponsorship! Hope to see more of those!

[@TruckKing]

Us too!

[@triviaworldopolis3362]

I love that you tested the ZR2! I have a 2021 in the same color. Truck King is awesome, unbiased, real world reviews!

[@JoJo-st6jk]

Thanks for the review. Just put these on my Jeep JKU last week & enjoying my drives. Got LT285/70R17 on honoured sale price $238.69 each. Have driven through dry & rainy weather, city driving and highway. Also light snow but looking forward to its handling of heavier snow out in the countryside through different counties in a few weeks, as well as some trails/light off-roading in the spring/summer.

[@packardblackproductions5904]

Ha! Digby/Laxton Boundary. My family was within 20km or so of that area for years and years. Perfect demonstration video for me, knowing these roads and trails are exactly the stuff I'll be doing. That's just about got me sold on these for my next pair.

[@sylvain-paulcote5470]

Motomaster used to be cheap in price but good. Now they seem to aim for better than good and that's a good thing! Nice review!

[@volvo09]

I had a set of cooper car tires that did some damn smokey burnouts. Young me was very excited.

[@KITT-K2000]

Had them on my 2021 jeep cherokee trailhawk and loved them

[@Furniture121]

I had a set of MotoMaster tires way back in the day (2004-2006), and have looked at them a couple of times since. They always seem to offer good tires, and a great price. I bought my last set of tires at CT, but they are Continental TrueContact (for a CUV).

[@dylon537]

I have motomaster hydra edges on my daily commuter. I live in the PNW, and they do great in the rain, have done mild off roading too, for a cheap tire they’re great! I wouldn’t put them on a high end vehicle, but something budget they’re great. Usually always on sale too

[@LG2TK]

I bought those to replace the oem duratracs on my '21 trailboss and after a year i can say that i really enjoy them. Summer or winter they perform well in all conditions. And the treads seem to age better than the duratracs

[@Weak_juan]

These tires are really good budget brand AT. I was shopping these vs sailun terramax at. Ultimately went with the sailuns. No regrets so far.

[@scotw67]

Hands down, THE best truck review/info channel out there. Period. Fact.

[@gorillapropertyservicesvaughan]

Just installed for my company pick up. Looks great!!!

[@nicolassavoie6987]

great honest review of a paid sponsorship! great job

[@parkvapes2127]

Great Review guys , I had not heard about these yet.

[@northerntoyota7584]

These come on sale 25% off and for a load range E tire, are very affordable

[@andrewsbbq]

Yup I think they might be my next tire. Seem to be good performance both as a terrain tire, but also on road behavior and tread life. Nice when 25% and when CanTire has the spend $200 get $50 CT money and they let.you buy each tire seperate for $200 CT money 👌, and mount for free

[@javaj1982]

Love the sales at ct I got the previous generation tire on clearance so far working good 👍

[@ksich8142]

My dad just bought a set . If you want a good set of off road tires these are them. Oh and they are cheap, but that wouldn’t even be a factor if you really knew how good they compare to others

[@XPerienceJoe]

Well I know what I'm buying next for the 2020 ram 1500. Thx guys as always!

[@TheBeatenPaths]

You're timing couldn't be better!!! I just now left Canadian Tire and was looking at these. I've had they're predecessor, the AT 2's and 3's for years!!!! And these X-Trails are replacing them. I'm getting a set in the Spring.

[@chuckersw]

Nicely done! From your Florida fan. 👍

[@TruckKing]

Hey, thanks!

[@TitanTown]

I have a set and so far impressed by the wet/snow/ice traction. I am however disappointed by the mud performance. Overall great tire and great value.

[@blazkowicz9455]

You will never get a tire that is very good on ice And Mud, they are just two different tires with different needs at manufacture, you will however get a tire that is great on snow/ ice and decent in the mud or a tire that is great in the mud and alright in the snow / ice. At the end of the day you have to be true with yourself a decide what you actually drive in the most and maybe think about a dedicated off-road tire switch vs when you are on the roads.

[@jasonbrushett3]

Great review guys.Im interested in theses as well for my F150

[@brandonmcfarland5200]

33 Inch Tires Are My Favorite,But With The On-Road I Loved The 20 Inch All-Terrain Tires Which Is My Favorite Also 🇺🇸.

[@jasonmorehouse3756]

You are talking about 2 different dimensions. 33 is the diameter, 20 is rim size. You can have a 33 on 20" rims... 33x12.50R20 or a 275/60R20

[@brandonmcfarland5200]

@@jasonmorehouse3756 That's True 🇺🇸!!

[@edgart49]

Do these fit my prius?

[@thetooner8203]

You can probably fit at least one in the back seat. Can you get a roof rack for the Prius? Does it have a trunk?

[@yorkchris10]

Yeah, always look for Triangle points

[@matbasterson2128]

Any comment on how they compare to the Toyo AT3's you tested last winter?

[@TruckKing]

comparable for sure

[@donaldotsig6818]

Ok so now,how are they in deep snow ! ty

[@gouldani1]

I would be interested to know how they compare to the Toyo AT3 that you have on your Ram 2500?

[@TruckKing]

about the same

[@nealb3298]

@@TruckKing will you do a Up date on the Toyo ATIII Please

[@davidcarter6807]

I've been waiting for this video 😄 couple questions on the tire... are they 10 or 6 ply for this test? Also did you run them at full pressure?

[@kenpynn3581]

10ply

[@davidcarter6807]

@@kenpynn3581 Cheers thanks Ken! I was curious what the prices were like compared to other known brands. Seems in line for a 10 ply

[@jasonmorehouse3756]

You don't use a tire at "full or max" pressure, you use it at a pressure for your vehicle.

[@polaris6644]

@@jasonmorehouse3756 I think what he was asking was if they were in an air-down state. Which is when you're four-wheeling you drop the tire pressure for more traction.

[@humz403]

​@kenpynn3581 These aren't 10ply. Was just at CT comparing the P and LT versions and they have the same sidewall stamping.

[@arccleaningservices2294]

Are these good when it comes to brake on snow or ice ?

[@weekendwarrior8179]

Tires seem fine... Rear/Front lockers help

[@bennyb6071]

tires look good, great review

[@TruckKing]

Thanks 👍

[@chadolive1]

Having a tough time choosing tires. The Cooper AT3 4S's, or the Mortormaster X Trail Eliminators. I have seen them both with rebates on the coopers the price is 4 dollars different right now. The x tail looks like a tire cooper has called the discoverer rugged trek that i see online but if you look almost the same. When I press down on both tires( tire by themself 2 hands) the x trail is very stable makes me think once a rim and air are in there it would be more solid, or not. But the softness or flex could be better for when the temp drops, providing more grip. etc. The cooper did at3 4s and had more flex but I imagine that is just a difference in the compound or tread direction, but the plys are the same🤔...anyways the x trails felt stickier a bit lil more than the Cooper at3 4s, but only a little more....siping both were good 👍 tread patterns were different but the siping on the coopers from yrs in the past window shopping, I know they go all the way down and know the performance on snow and ice are good something to consider. Even though both tires in ratings are almost identical the x-trails are 100% On Ice'96 on snow, Coopers are 100% on snow 96 or 96 on ice, they're both all weather all terrains and have the three Peak Mountain snowflakes and like I said the motor Masters X trails are made by Cooper. If you go check out Cooper's rugged Trek discoverer, I don't know how old they are, not considering those at all, just something I noticed and thought was interesting. So other than both of them being weather rated and made by Cooper it's tuff. I mention don't 't know if this makes sense or a difference, but pressing down on both of them just standing up, and one had a little bit more Flex than the other Lil easier to push down, that was the Cooper at34s, the x-trail being a little harder depressed down, which appealed to me because my passenger snow tires I had last year, sidewall bulged out the side didn't like at all soft didn't' give that stability you have from an A/T tire which also can take bumps and hard terrains like packed ice in the back alleys and side roads, and not be rattled. It was not a good experience, I have had all terrains the entire time owning this vehicle(2009 Hyundai Santa Fe 3.3l awd, which is why I am going with snow-rated A/T. Maybe that is one reason to go for the Motormasters, though I don't imagine I would have much of a problem even though these are passenger tires A/Ts with a stronger compound. Stiffer might not be the best either because I was told the light truck tires weren't recommended for my vehicle because would be harder on the suspension, I figured this could be true with the x-trail even though it's designed for the size of the vehicle, but I would rather have the security and stability than a flimsy tire that bulge, I would take that chance, plus the plys are the same as I mentioned. All in all, they're both about the same and they're both made by Cooper, they both have the snowflake, and both have been tested in the severe Canadian weather that we get in this region. Other than the motor master x-trail eliminators being newer and a little more sticky than the Discover a t 3 4, and a little stiffer to push down, I'm at a stalemate. The siping direction and tread pattern are different but seem really good. The pattern of the Cooper is more forward directional, which for stopping and starting might grip better, but the multi-direction of the Motormaster's might help in sliding sideways to recapture and regrip, who knows? I know the Cooper AT3 4S are definitely good performers around the globe and have had time because they have been around longer. I have to make a decision in a couple of weeks for my appointment to get them on, but I am going down to Canadian Tire now to put a deposit on both, till I decide. . If somebody could help me I appreciate it, and let me know about the push test that might not nothing to do with anything, and also look at the Cooper rugged Trek I'm not buying or looking at, but they look similar tread wise sidewall-wise to the motor Master Eliminator X trails. I've studied and watched and seen the performance online of the AT3 discoverers so I know they are good, but those have been out for 4 years already, and the x-trails might be the newer better version, or Cooper might be holding a little back for their own name brand. All in all, it's going to be City driving. neither Tire would be fine. Appreciate it if you made it this far.

[@TruckKing]

with the amount of thought put into this ; just trust yourself.

[@KStewart-th4sk]

WOW, thanks for taking the time to post that lengthy comment. I have been looking at the same two tires and have to decide soon. Last day for the Cooper's being on sale is tomorrow and the Motomaster's start the day after. Yeah i realize CT often has them on sale BUT i had a Goodyear fail just recently----on my truck when i bought it used and they are getting badly cracked. I think the truck sat a lot because the guy had a plow on it and basically only used it in the winter to clear his yard and driveway out to the highway. He planned to put the plow on a Jeep which had an automatic transmission----truck is 5-Spd Manual and he was tired of shifting gears i guess. LOL

[@arminderrattu5333]

Great video Boys 👌🏽👊🏽... buy Canadian 🇨🇦💪🏾

[@zr2zamboni906]

Is there a US version of this tire available (maybe from Cooper Tire)?

[@TruckKing]

Sorry, just don't know.

[@bcatz454]

Motomasters are just Cooper Tires. Sure, they can be a pretty attractive offer over BFGs or Yokohamas at Canadian TIre when you rack up the Canadian tire money offers of getting 10-15% back in Crappy tire money. However, all of my worst experiences have been at Crappy Tire, this past year I got sold a set of 7 year old tires from Canadian Tire from their inventory. Also, their tire installation is bait and switch, I was told it would be $26/tire if I bought a set of tires from them but when I got to the counter, they said it was $47/tire because it was an LT. Buyer beware.

[@Glokens]

Yep, I asked to see my tires first to check the dates. I always buy from CT but install elsewhere.

[@scotw67]

What Cooper tire do these correspond to?

[@jasonmorehouse3756]

That's honestly your own fault for not looking at the tires prior to install, and sounds more like a rim size and toms upcharge, as there is zero difference in price to mount an LT.

[@rogergarner6617]

What would be the equivalent tire in the U.S.?

[@bcatz454]

Mastercraft tires are Motomaster tires in Canada. Just a different but almost same sounding name

[@jasonmorehouse3756]

These are nothing like a MasterCraft tire. Both made by cooper but 2 totally different brands. Perfect example is Uniroyal is owned by Michelin but there tires are nowhere near comparable.

[@terrencejones9817]

How do they compare to the Stock Duratracs on the ZR2?

[@jasonmorehouse3756]

Probably really well concidering duracraps are horrible tires

[@terrencejones9817]

@@jasonmorehouse3756 I've got them on my Trailboss, previous Truck had KO2s. I like the Duratracs more.

[@denisdelaquis1174]

@@jasonmorehouse3756 I had a similar question to Terrence Jones. My last 3 sets of tires, in order, have been the ko2s, duratracs, and most recently cooper discoverer at2. Duratracs have been hands down the best.. there is absolutely no comparison in the snow. In my experience, the only people who don’t like them are those who either bought them as mud/stone tires (which they are not meant to be), or haven’t ever owned a set for themselves and just hate things that are trending (similar to iPhone haters who try someone else’s for for 10 minutes before deciding). There are so many out there for very good reason. K02: good price for quality, duratracs: best possible snow tire (nothing moves better through 2 feet of snow), discoverer at2: worst ones I’ve ever used in snow right off the shelf.

[@leadnsteel1428]

@@denisdelaquis1174 yes the Wrangler Duratracs are a great winter tire. I have them on my truck. I have a set of regular Firestone at as my summers.

[@KStewart-th4sk]

@@denisdelaquis1174 Agreed, that guy "jasonmorehouse" sounds like a hater. I've run into the odd one like him----whatever you own is no good and whatever they own is the best. It gets tiresome listening to dolts like that!

[@MeliorIlle]

Ed looks really badass lol

[@chadolive1]

Hey there like the video thanks. Tires made by cooper awesome!!, was just wondering how these compare to the at3 4s cooper's discoverers? I know the AT3s are more in cost, would you spend that extra money or just go with xtrails? Appreciate your response looking to sort this out before winter here, but if I don't hear back, I know I liked what I saw, have looked at the AT3s for years now, but these X's popped up... I would like to try the 4s because i have been looking at them for years but whatever... designed by cooper and tested by you guys with savings can't cry about that... Cheers for now.

[@TruckKing]

The AT3 are good, but these were a decent comparable.

[@chadolive1]

also, I run 235 70 r16s on my 2009 Santa fe, when I went to put the deposit on the tires, the coopers only had black side walls, I like the cooper writing in white, I think it looks sharp...Can I order a set that has the white writing? or am I stuck with black, not that the labeling is the most important lol...but still curious...

[@darthdonut1995]

@@chadolive1 just get tire paint and do them yourself, EZPZ

[@libertystuffnthingsreviews829]

Think these are better than KO2s?

[@TruckKing]

in the same class - but not better

[@jethronb]

It's kind of strange that Canadian Tire is using their battery brand name in the tires now??

[@evictioncarpentry2628]

Motomaster makes everything. Not just batteries.

[@ScottBaker1]

@@evictioncarpentry2628 what he means is Eliminator has been their battery/Charger name for a while now. Seems like they've added it to tires as well.

[@dalephillips8250]

What about pricing?

[@TruckKing]

in the video - look for the chart

[@davejones67]

Buying a set on sale

[@phelandeluna5439]

Cooper had been my all time favorite tire for years. But when I went searching for tires for my JT I found their new tire designs to be sub par, then I found out why...they were bought out by Goodyear in June of 2021. So, no more Coopers for me. I can't stand Goodyear's tires.

[@jasonmorehouse3756]

Good year is only the parent company of the company that bought cooper. Cooper still design and build the tires not GY. They just make cash off it

[@phelandeluna5439]

@@jasonmorehouse3756 definitely looks like GY quality! Lol

[@thetooner8203]

Canadian Tire doesn't have a factory making tires, they get them made by tire manufactures like ... Cooper. Comparing tread patterns you'll find some Motomasters have patterns identical to the manufacturer's own brand, e.g. the Motomaster Total Terrain winter tires I have on one of my trucks and Cooper's winter tires that Canadian Tire sells.

[@B86432]

never herd of them in the states meaning I wouldn't throw them on my $40k+ vehicle one area not to skimp out on is tires I've learned the hard way for a long time as a young kid

[@evictioncarpentry2628]

They're an in-house brand from a Canadian auto store.

[@jasonmorehouse3756]

Well obviously there bud.. it's a house brand for Canadian Tire. When was the last time you saw a Canadian tire store in any state? Some of you are so simple..... Lol

[@Arexodius]

RAM's heavy duty limited trucks are just the cream of the crop of pickups. Can't think of a more beautiful pickup truck! Only thing they miss is a proper gear selector, like the 1500 Laramie/Rebel G/T models. The G/T package - or at least the gear selector with paddle shifters - should be an option on every trim of every model.

[@mikefoehr235]

CT offers a real good road hazard on their tires.

[@daved6464]

Got some Motomaster tires on my van several years ago and they were crap. Had a blow out on the hiway in the first week. They were terrable in the rain and snow. Replaced them after a year. I love Canadian Tire but wont touch thier brand of tires Maybe they are better but im not going to be the guinea pig

[@jasonbrushett3]

My only concern is the lack of siping for wet weather safety and looks like they didn't do a good job of keeping snow out of the tire grooves

[@TheDREWHEBERT]

You want the tire to hold onto the snow. Snow on snow traction is better then rubber on snow traction.

[@KStewart-th4sk]

Don't see how the "ice test" even qualified or showed anything when you broke through and it was all water underneath. I want to know how they actually perform on ice when it's Minus 20 to 40 degrees outside. Your definition of snow differs from mine---practically none in this video and didn't seem to be much more than the depth of the tread. Didn't really learn much from this test. I'm looking for a reasonably priced tire and plan to leave them on through all 4 seasons on the Prairies. I don't do much driving anymore but....i hope someone posts here with their experience with these tires, particularly in 6-8 inches of snow and on packed ice as well. Plus saying "OEM tires" and not saying what they were---why bother if you aren't going to name them?

[@poorfatman5317]

💪👍🤩

[@gwot]

When I worked at Canadian tire, we call motomaster tires square tires, cuz that's what they are. Hard to balance and impossible to roadforce. Sounds like things got better. Still never buying them though

[@KStewart-th4sk]

Well i drove 220KM a day for about 40 years in my commute. That was in VW Jetta Turbo-Diesel's for a good part of those years----always bought CT tires and had great luck with them. One of my favorites they sold was called "Predators" if i remember correctly and i had WAY OVER 100 Thousand KM out of that set which is why i bought them again until they discontinued them. I had 698, 714KM on my '91 VW which i had bought new when some a-hole ran a Red light and totaled it. It was still running great when that happened and i had planned to see how long it would go---never got the chance. Bought an older '86 VW TD that had 229,000 KM and drove that one to over 750,000 km commuting---still have it. Guess what brand of tires is on it? Former Canadian Tire tire guy----i hope you aren't like the guy who was going to retorque my brother's van wheels at CT----brother says "what are you torquing them too"----"oh about 150 ft/lbs"! Brother asked to see the Service Manager pretty quick.

[@gwot]

@@KStewart-th4sk nice to hear good things about them, still wouldn't buy them though. Not discrediting you, but high mileage isn't difficult, just hard, as in hard compound = hard wearing = high mileage, but getting great performance at the same time is difficult. I buy tires that are track tested to handle, because I rather spend more and buy more tires but have the grip when emergency arises, like avoiding a moose, emergency braking, or outrunning a landslide on a mountain pass. And no, I pride myself in hand torqueing wheels to the manufacturer's model specific specs. half tighten in air, fully torqued on the ground with kinetic friction. I get what you mean though... one of the reasons why I left there, cuz the techs aren't teaching me the right way of doing things

[@davejones67]

Hey Mr Truck King. I bought a set of these after your review and they hydro plane terrible and rear end will break free pretty easy on wet roads too. My Good Year Wrangler Trail Runners were way better on wet roads……

[@michaelniceguy4042]

Your not comparing the same vehicles the ram needs to be matched with a ford f150 or chevy k1500 the colorado is equal to the ranger

[@jasonmorehouse3756]

They weren't comparing the truck. They were showing how the tires preform on a midsize and a full size. Pay attention next time

[@SaskatchewanBadAss]

As some who has always bought rwd pickups and used some weight in the bed, how is reliability of modern 4x4s? If i got a 4x4 next time, id still probly buy snow tires an use weight still so id rarely use it as i dont go offroad. Id really only need it maybe once every few years. If i dont use the 4x4 or locking diff for sometimes 8months-2years at a time will i run into problems by not using it often enough?

[@TruckKing]

I don’t think you have anything to worry about

[@bcatz454]

better resale value, and the only issues you'd run into with 4wd is the CV axles going bad in 150-200k kms.

[@lornebaxter4640]

apparently Toyota recommends shifting their transfer case into 4wd once a month, to make sure everything is working correctly. I guess the electric shifter will stick if never used. This advice came from a Toyota tech. Wont stop me from buying a Toyota for my next truck.

[@thetooner8203]

You should definitely use winter tires in Saskatchewan and, on a pickup get some weight in the bed same as you do with your rear while drive pickups. Four wheel drive only helps when you are in 4WD, which won't be most of the time and whether you have 2WD or 4WD, the traction is no better than the tires. It's the winter compound that grips in colder temperatures that does the trick. With all-season tires 4WD will just spin all four wheels instead of two when the tires can't grip because of the cold. And that grip is even more important for braking, which isn't improved at all by 4WD. That mountain/snowflake symbol on the tire means the tread is designed to work in deep/loose surface material like mud and snow, it doesn't necessarily mean the rubber will grip well in temperatures way below freezing like we get in Saskatchewan. Not using 4WD for most of the time is normal. Do the periodic routine maintenance on the drive components as recommended by the manufacturer and it won't wear out and it will work when you need it, as reliably as on your 2WD trucks.