How Quickly SHOULD Running Shoes Wear Out? | TRC PODCAST

[@johncoroniti9382]

Over the years, I have found that Asics and Brooks outsole lasted the longest for me. Every 2 years I get my foot scanned/measured to ensure I am running in the correct shoes. The last couple of years, I was running in Hokas and found the outsole wear out at 100 to 150 miles. In my last scan, I moved to New Balance Fresh Foam X More V4 and these have been lasting 2 times as long.

[@LifeBeautifulMess]

Love you all. This channel has become a staple of my weekly routine as a 49 year old who just go into racing last year and have several half marathons scheduled for the year. Your full marathon videos are what I'm inhaling to take the next step.

[@DamianWalls]

I would love some content about buggy running. I run with my almost 2 year old daughter all the time. Clocked my first sub 30 min 5K with her about a month ago.

[@msmyrk]

There's a regular at my local Parkrun who gets about a 22:30 with a buggy. It fells weird running in a pack with him - it just doesn't look physically possible.

[@dmevans1966]

Caring for and repairing them is a great way of extending their life. Cutting your big toe nails will save holes appearing in the toe box and undoing your laces when taking off and putting back on saves the heel too. 👊🏻💚

[@BryceRKoehn]

I generally run in a minimalist shoe that has a 1000 mile guarantee. My last pair had 1200ish miles before the rubber wore down to my foot. Before those, I’d wear Brooks or ASICS and they generally had an average of 250-300 miles before they wouldn’t be good to run in. So I’d purchase 2 pair of shoes so they would work for a season of cross country and I’d get close to 600 miles by switching between shoes. Barefoot running would save me tons of money though, working on it but the dirt gets hot in the afternoon.

[@graceandpurls]

What shoe? I am working my way towards a more minimalist shoe!

[@BryceRKoehn]

@@graceandpurls I’ve been using HSF Xero shoes. I like Xero’s prio too. They have a couple different shoes that come with a discounted “born to run 2” book.

[@graceandpurls]

@@BryceRKoehn Great! I have heard great things about xero!

[@johnclarke3126]

Really interesting listening about shoe choice/technology. Personally I see it like F1 and tyres. At the top end they need the best to compete but must car owners would buy an all purpose tyre to last a year or more. As a recreational runner I'm more like your everyday car owner but can see how these changes can massively help elite runners.

[@outerheaven8797]

Hope Mr Baddeley is feeling alright- new parkrun record time. Fantastic achievement to have his time stand for as long as it did.

[@peterjam2971]

I wore Brooks shoes for years but 5 years ago they changed the sole design and I wore through them in 3 months (training for a half). Wearing ASICS at the moment, but open to any shoe with a lasting tread

[@matthewcreelman1347]

I’m really loving Puma’s tread at the moment. The Velocity Nitro 2 is pretty close to my ideal trainer - great grip, good fit for me, well padded, and comparatively cheap. I’ve had some of my fastest runs in them, as well as my longest runs, so they’re pretty versatile too.

[@ChrisTexan]

Probably already been commented, but take a "current" pair of shoes that is nearing it's end of life anyhow, and take that on your next trip there, so it's a "new" old shoe that still has some miles left. After a couple of years, repeat with whatever "new but aging" shoes you have at that point, etc. So still getting new (age, not miles) shoes out there on a periodic basis, with "newer" tech as well, but not having to actually buy new shoes that are going to age out (age not miles) by only being worn 4 days a year there.

[@ldburn]

Happy birthday to you both 🎉 I got close to sub-20 5k back in 2021 (20:22), injuries and illness since has scuppered all that. Back to high 21 mins, one day maybe.

[@andrewmaun7279]

40 years of running to date. In the 80's, New Balance and Reebok (they used to make great shoes back in the day) lasted the longest. Today, New Balance have lost the plot (a few years back, I gave up because I was rarely getting over 300 miles) but I am now a Mizuno convert - every pair (7 to date) have lasted 500+ miles - comfortable straight out of the box and the soles just last for ever . With clever shopping (i.e buying the previous years model), I've been getting 15 ppm - the difference between having to buy four pairs a year versus five pairs - adding up to quite a saving over 40 years !

[@leimleim]

Great insights. I guess the study Andy is talking about at 10:58 is Joubert, Dustin P. and Jones, Garrett P., "A Comparison of Running Economy Across Seven Carbon-Plated Racing Shoes" (2021). Faculty Publications. 33.

[@reallymysterious4520]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY LADY & GENT !!! 🎂🎂🎂🎂🎂🎂🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈🍰🍰🍰🍰🍰🧁🧁🧁🧁🧁🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷

[@debrascott8775]

Love this podcast so much. Thanks all!

[@PistachioGold]

The way Sarah imitated Rick "right, olympics" at the end was hilarious 😂😂😂😂 Aw a question from my home town in the Netherlands ❤❤❤❤ love this podcast so much😊😊

[@chesshead]

I don't think you answered the question at 32:20. He said he sprint the final 200 metres, but how can he train to start his sprint earlier. It's quite a psychological moment. You can smell the finish line. One final burst, worry about the pain afterwards. How can he train his brain to engage insanity mode 30 seconds earlier, and will it actually benefit him if the longer sprint reduces his sprint pace a little?

[@kieransoregaard-utt8]

It’s called learning how to race

[@ijszenga]

I run in minimalist shoes from Xero Shoes. No problem with foam that wears down and they give a 5000miles warranty on the sole!!🎉😊

[@tweakLeeds2006]

Thanks for answering my question about the Sub 20 5K time. Makes complete sense to take the 3 to 4K as an opportunity to not drop off and to also consider external factors in the overall outcome. Thanks guys.

[@AlwaysForwardGaming]

I love running in minimalist/barefoot shoes. I have a pair of Merrelll vapor gloves, that I have repaired 3 times using "shoe-goo", an adesive that more or less mimics the original sole. And there are no foam that can get "tired". :) I'm an endurance runner, so not very interested in running faster... Ooc, love your podcast....

[@kallumwright4139]

Got a couple of pairs that are over 1000+ miles atm 👀 But they are totally different shoes with a different usage. One pair went daily trainer to short recovery miles. The other a pair of speeds has transitioned from marathon training shoe, to speed runs, to faster daily trainer, to anything buffed out trails. Still feel good on softer ground but can feel the road more. I am quite lucky with my form though and rotate shoes a fair bit.

[@SergiuSalcau00]

Models?

[@kallumwright4139]

@@SergiuSalcau00 speed/speed 2 and OG novablast but have also taken Salomon shoes to high hundreds before retiring to walking shoes and kinvaras always lasted a long while too

[@saltyjo7514]

Storing the shoes without using them is equivalent to 100km usage per year of storage.

[@fergusdenoon1255]

There's also shoe size in longevity, more outsole, more midsole in a size 13.5 than a size 7. So generally for long lasting shoes you want to be a 50kg 6ft7 with size 19 feet

[@OhWanya]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@jassaljs]

Happy Birthday guys🤗Hot? Try New Delhi! 44degrees and 90% humidity 😢

[@jacobriis7859]

Good and bad news: New male parkrun record: Andy Butchart -> 13m 45sec at Edinburgh parkrun. It was his first parkrun 🙂

[@shaunukhiking]

Saw him at the night of 10K's a few weeks ago. Strong runner. We should get J Ingrebrigsten or T Cheryuiot down to parkrun. Smash it up.

[@shaunukhiking]

Who were the 3 unknowns in pos 3/4/5? Athletes going dark so their coaches don't find out?

[@jacobriis7859]

@@shaunukhiking perhaps some friends of Andy Butchart that didn't have a barcode?

[@CheeseBlackOps]

@@jacobriis7859 More likely as there were plenty of photographs

[@robintaylor1466]

He had 6 of his club mates pacing him😮

[@christopherbrand5360]

I've got a pair of the first generation Saucony Endorphin Pro that have gone 972 miles of recorded runs (per Strava). They still feel fantastic and look good. I am a fairly light runner and run with pretty good form, so that may help. Most of my shoes go 500-700 miles before I retire them. I think that the relatively firm PEBA foam in the first two generations of the Endorphin Pro is unlikely to break down within my lifetime. I will eventually wear through enough of the outsole that they start to suffer from mechanical abrasion.

[@kieransoregaard-utt8]

Dumb idea

[@reallymysterious4520]

When I started running in the mid 90s Nike's Air Max was the most durable road shoe for the average recreational runner and you could get 200-300 miles out of them

[@tomascanevaro4292]

I've had my Nike Pegasus trainers as my only running shoes since last september, and have 1000 miles in them. They're still usable, and i just ran my mile pb at 5:54 in them, but definately not as responsive as new shoes for sure.

[@christiankolstad7685]

So glad that Norway got mentioned in the podcast! :D I've seen Jakob training at the track, it look almost effortless, but the speed is just crazy

[@runningchannel]

He is incredible!

[@davidjuson5608]

I discovered a failproof method of detecting if my trainers needed replacing just a few months after I began running: I contracted plantar fasciitis! I am now qualified to give everyone the advice I ignored: Once you start running over ten miles a week, get your feet professionally measured.

[@davidpage8147]

Happy birthday you 2, i did the Hurtwood 50k the day before I turned 50😊

[@JasonFarrell]

Yet another benefit of running in minimal barefoot shoes is never having to worry about the cushy foam breaking down, because it doesn't exist. I get well over 1,000 miles in mine before literally wearing a hole through the outsole and insole. Xero Shoes technically has a 5,000 mile warranty, but it's not "fair" to abuse that, imo.

[@kieransoregaard-utt8]

Dumb thing to do

[@DotArve]

This is going to take some time, of course, with double threshold being a year-round and off-season approach, but I would absolutely love it if you tested it - including the metering, on runners at a few different levels, and reported your findings. Granted, from my own experience, it doesn't come in to play until 90-100 km/week

[@Aeronwor]

I use 3 shoes, my nice shoes, for race day, and workouts on hard surfaces, my bare foot for easy trail runs, my previous nice shoes for faster trail runs.

[@Ivan-qr5cw]

It happened to me, too. After several dozens of kilometers, I can tell: "these shoes just became very comfortable sandals". And think I should change running shoes at that time.

[@keshmo12]

I've been buying clearance Nike Pegasus for training. I throw them out every 250-300 miles. They still look great but I kept getting injuries when pushing them past 300 miles. Also I get them on clearance for $30-40 and they only last 3-4 months for me. It's worth it to lessen the injury chance.

[@deathcass]

My alphafly next percent 1 shoes lasted 1614 miles last year running 5 miles a day on a treadmill. The top has a few small holes but the rest seems perfect. I can’t notice any real difference between my new and old shoes other then the small tears on top. My goal was to buy one expensive pair instead of 4 cheaper ones each year. It worked out better than expected.

[@lewislittlewood6685]

How do you feel about your Parkrun record being broken Andy are you relieved or upset about Andy butchard run at Edinburgh parkrun

[@chriswynn4831]

Following. Can't believe it has gone😯 Must be something in the name Andy?

[@kevinodonovan1593]

Was going to ask about what to do with worn out running shoes, not sure any charities near me would take them. Brands/models and what they use varies massively, usually get >1000 km in Brooks Ghost but was under 500km in Hoka Cliftons when they started squeaking every step cos the rubber was worn away.

[@kat76woman]

I usually downgrade them to walking around shoes when they are too worn out for running.

[@xhodixhodi4586]

I've got some Adidas SL20s that have done over 1000km and two pairs of Saucony Ride 13s - one at 1400km and one at 1800km. They still look good and feel fine.

[@kieransoregaard-utt8]

Really stupid thing to do

[@mathews0618]

I think the foam is too soft in most shoes. Especially in the mid foot. You need that firmness to stop pronation where its intended. Soft, thick shoes cause over pronation and tons of lower leg issues from it. Thats my opinion

[@manuelap261]

I think the same, I have problems myself running with soft/foam shoes - calves 😢

[@iggalan]

Saucony Peregrine (11 and 12, I don't know yet with 13) last over 1000 Km; Hoka Speedgoat 4 and 5 last 700 Km. I have two pairs of trail shoes and rotate them, they will last less if you only have one pair. I don't run that much on pavement/track.

[@mjuk1984]

I turn 40 next year so training for my first marathon (40 @ 40!!!). Yeah, I know it's slightly more than that but doesn't quite have the same ring to it. 😉

[@chrismia2402]

The fancy new models with their energy returning foam barely get 500-600km and I only weight 70kg with a very efficient and gentle strike. I used to get 1000-1200km on a pair of shoes.

[@toby9999]

I haven't run much in a very long time but I ran at least 2000km in a pair of old-school 1983 Nike Air Pegasus... the original design with the visible cushins in the heels. Just some slight wear on the outsole. Some runners reported the air cushions bursting but had no problems with mine. I now have a pair of peg 40 but they don't feel as bouncy.

[@matthewguenther6925]

I ran my first marathon race on my 54th birthday (and by sheer coincidence got bib #54, lol)

[@neilwhite4889]

Ive got a pair of original Novablast with over 1000 miles on, they are still fine.

[@justinnevins107]

I run a marathon on my birthday. I print up bibs, a finish tape, a t-shirt, have a theme, and then a party after.

[@jeffbrunton3291]

600k then they become casual walking shoes for a short while. All Adiós, 5,6 and 7 with usually a few pairs in use, plus Terrex for wet grass / mud. Donated afterwards to Indonesia including some brand new ones I didn't like (Boston, SLs which are tighter). Favourite model (6) kept for races only.

[@jdpjamesp]

Unfortunately all my shoes seem to wear out on the uppers well before the sole goes. My Asics got wrecked on a gnarly trail run on Sunday and have only done about 400km. No point trying to stick half the upper back on to the sole. Really frustrating. Switching to Hoka for my next trail shoe as I love my Hoka Cliftons for the roads. Maybe they'll last a bit better.

[@richardblom4358]

Usually i wear out the outsoles of my shoes. Some brands/models last for more than 800km others are done with only 200/300km. I rotate 4 pairs and generally i can use them for a year up to 1,5 years.

My minimalist running shoes last until the outsole of one of the shoes gets unglued from the upper or one of the shoes grows a hole in the stitched insole (whatever comes first).

[@kieransoregaard-utt8]

Stupidity

[@chesshead]

My second best ever running shoes lasted for thousands of miles, and are responsible for my 5km and 10km PBs (Under Armour Lightning 2). My best ever running shoes only last for 100 miles before they wear out so I have to keep replacing them, but they are responsible for my half-marathon and marathon PBs (Lidl Crocs).

[@kadajawi2]

Lidl Crocs? 😅

[@liamroche1473]

😁😁😁(I hope that was a joke...)

[@chesshead]

@@liamroche1473 try it and you'll find out how light they are

[@jmac13131]

I have a pair of Adios Pro 2’s that have a compromised energy rod and it seems to have no affect other than an annoying popping noise.

[@rickyisajedi]

Hell f&23ing yeah! Best show on the internet.

[@runningchannel]

Glad you like it so much! 😁

[@omabdulgani]

Great channel, guys, I've just subbed. Sarah is a natural. 👌

[@runningchannel]

Thanks for the sub!

[@glockdookie5231]

What does that mean? You just being a creep or do you have anything of substance to actually say? What about the guys? Just not gonna say anything about them?

[@glockdookie5231]

You look like the kind of guy that spends alot of time trying to get teen girls to take thier earbuds out at the gym in between your sets of curls and hip thrusts

[@omabdulgani]

@@glockdookie5231 what the hell is wrong with you? 🤨

[@glockdookie5231]

Nothing homeboy.

[@matthewcreelman1347]

By the end of the year, we expect to see Andy running a sub three hour marathon!

[@ianjames3078]

That 3-4km point of a 5k kills me. Knowing it’s normal is super useful. No human is limited. I’m remembering that…..sounds like something my maths genius daughter would say though. 👀🤣

[@MonteComeau]

Great episode 🎉 🇨🇦

[@jasonashworth361]

I've just watched the podcast and I generally know when my trainers are coming to the end of their life as my achilles starts to get niggly

[@viktorisakov9698]

I have my endorphin speed 2 for about 900 miles and they are still holding

[@kallumwright4139]

On my third pair and this one's still good at about 400 the other two went to daily trainers and one pair with 600 miles in found a new home with someone who didn't have a daily trainer for steadier or faster efforts.

[@ollie1317]

Diid Sarah say an average runner might run 4 marathons in 6 months? wow i am some way off being average!

[@kophotography895]

I had a shattered carbon plate & Saucony did not care, they tried to tell me I had run over 400 miles, when I had done 70-100, beware of defective pairs of running shoes. They referred me to the running store I bought from & the shop, emailed the rep with a slanted email & I got told to sling my hook. Beware Shops & Brands are in cahoots to protect their reputation

[@andrewmaun7279]

Sympathise completely. I had a protracted dispute with Saucony, a few years back, over a pair of Guide Iso's. They were the 'lemon' of all the shoes I have ever owned (a total of only 130 miles before the sole wore thru to the midsole). Even though I had data for 6 previous pairs of the Guide showing nearly 400 miles each, they didn't want to engage. So, I stopped buying Saucony and switched to Mizuno. A great decision - now getting 500+ miles per pair. If Saucony are reading this - to date you have lost over £500 of my business (because you were a*s*h*l*s) and you are never getting it back !

[@kadajawi6567]

I'm putting 1000+ km on my Ultraboosts before rotating them out. It seems to me that my current pair has become stiffer, though it still does a fine job. I'd have another question: Which shoes would you recommend for which speed? Does the effort matter? i.e. should you only be looking at supershoes, if you run say sub 4:00 times? From what I heard, for slow runs something like the Adizero Pro line will be almost dangerous if ran too slow... I'd like something a little lighter and quicker than my Ultraboost 21 and the Adizero Pro 2 and 3 look rather attractive, but the surface I'm running on isn't always exactly flat, there are curves, and I'm doing 5:20 to 6:00 on average, with some faster intervals / sprints.

[@Deadbuck73]

🤷‍♂️ I’m at 700 miles on my Bondi 7’s…. Still going strong!

[@carlosmedrano2590]

Has there been a podcast on advantages and disadvantages for people who live and run in cities that are on high altitudes? Example I live in Queretaro, a city in Mexico at an elevation of 1820 meters and I wonder how that will affect me when I go run a Marathon in London. 😃

[@hanro7430]

You'll run faster in london?

[@dmevans1966]

I disagree with the comment that the foam will degrade in the midsole if not used. Fossil Fuel foams will not degrade. They will lose bounce as they are used. There’s a huge difference between the soles of road and trail shoes.

[@stevenixon3634]

Great podcast. I've got a pair of Hoka carbon Rocket x shoes which I only used to race in and used as part of my rotation. Only did 80 miles in them before part of the heel came off during the Alton Towers half Nov 22. Hoka / retailer was not interested as they were 15 months old!!! Very frustrating because of the cost and hardly used but the are useless. Thank you HOKA !!!!!

[@patrickb.5863]

fairly new runner here: I returned 2 shoes so far for defecits, they had a defect within 100km. (loose seams) I am also a pretty heavy runner 300lbs+ and my first pair is approaching 350km. No clue when i should swap them out

[@yonatan1myers]

I run in minimalist shoose. I replace them when there is a whole in the sole

[@runningchannel]

How many pairs do you tend to go through every year?

[@yonatan1myers]

@@runningchannel I'm not realy sure. I run ~30k a week, on mixed terrain. I think I use apout one pair every 6 monthe. So, approximatly one pair every 800k.

[@kat76woman]

I always thought it was good to run different models so you give different impulses and not "settle" into one specific model. From what Andy said about testing so many, it sounds like the opposite?

[@clydemeyer1105]

Happy birthday 🥳

[@winklertribe5268]

I find that when. I’m too tuned into my watch data, my run feels terrible! I really prefer to record the data, but run by feel, but it does mean that I don’t really know what my race pace, vs tempo pace, etc is. Any advice for learning my tempo or race pace without taking the fun out of my runs?

[@MyFatAdaptedLife]

I track my shoe miles & typically retire them after 400 miles or so. I then wear these shoes to the Athlete's Village where I put on my racers right before the gun.

[@dstarley]

Out of curiosity, why do you retire them at 400 miles in particular?

[@MyFatAdaptedLife]

@@dstarley Typical running shoe lasts between 400 & 500 miles.

[@dstarley]

@@MyFatAdaptedLife have you tried wearing them longer? I tend to get 1,000 miles from mine with rotation

[@MyFatAdaptedLife]

@@dstarley Nah, I can tell when they've reached their shelf life.

[@kieransoregaard-utt8]

@@dstarleyThat just means you don’t know how to run. Running 1,000 miles on one pair of shoes is a terrible idea.

[@marchoy3809]

I have been training in a 10kg weight vest. Doing the couch to 5k in the hope of getting a better 5k time. Is repeated training in a weight vest bad for my running technique? Will this actually make me faster when I take the vest off? Is it more likely to cause injuries? Many thanks

[@maximilianklein2062]

I also have these parents house shoes, also exactly from the year 2007 (asics gel nimbus 12) and I just ran in tjem for fun last christmas. (I think 8, maybe 10k at an easy pace) They felt stiff and heavy - but I didnt die... I mean I also run in barefoot shoes in summer, which many people would consider unhealthy...this can't be worse, right?

[@rinotz7]

Adidas carbon rods can break and still be usable with no drawbacks, it might just make a weird sound

[@Dave00r]

Sounds like we’re birthday buddies Sarah? 23rd June…shame I’m 12 years older😂. Happy birthday

[@runningchannel]

Happy Birthday!

[@philmason2831]

Andy if you really don't fancy training for that marathon how about trying to regain your Parkrun record.?

[@daveweston84]

I knew Andy was from Wirral, but is Rick from Wirral too? Just with him saying he’s coming up for the golf next month.

[@runningchannel]

Yes! Little known fact, they went to school together (Rick beat Andy in cross country).

[@daveweston84]

I thought so, plus Rick still seems to have a little bit of a Wirral twang in his accent too. Will he be running the Birkenhead parkrun when he’s up here?

[@buffywhatever1093]

As a trail runner the fabric tops of my trainers wear through way before the soles ever have. Gaffer tape works for a bit, but it’s always annoying.

[@buffywhatever1093]

Added to that, I run 1500 miles a year if not more and rotate 2 or 3 pairs because of mud and stuff. The soles always last.

[@darren4390]

I spent a lot of money on a pair of Asics Kayano 29 which lasted all of 280km before the outersole wore through to the foam. For daily trainers this is disgusting. I forefoot strike and half of this mileage was on rubberised atheltic tracks. I dont scuff my feet or use them for anything other than running. They have obviously changed the outer sole compounds and are made to wear quickly to encourage the sale of the latest model. Ive always bought Asics but this will be the last pair I buy until they make durable shoes again.

[@bikerdude6119]

My shoes just go stiff and then my knees hurt , 😂😂 usually around the 300 mile mark

[@Sjf542]

Shall we have some odds that Andy is doing Parkrun on Saturday?

[@aabc84]

Once the rubber underneath wears away I use duct tape to protect the foam

[@stephenwoods1701]

Does cleaning shoes make a difference?

[@drewman747]

I ran 50 miles for the week of my 50th birthday, so maybe the 75 year old could do something similar.

[@slavasss2189]

Interesting

[@GotDamBoi]

If money isn't an issue, you should probably just replace your shoes around 300 miles. The foam breaks down, the stability decreases and that only leads to bad things. But if you want to take your shoes to some ridiculous mileage, be my guest. It won't be me.

[@dstarley]

This is widely disputed. There's a section in the book "we can't run away from this" which explores the topic and concludes that there's no scientific evidence that the degrading of the shoes causes injuries. It's worth a read.

[@kieransoregaard-utt8]

@@dstarleywhat are you talking about? There’s tons of evidence. You reference one book and not the other plentiful evidence??

[@IainJUK70]

most of the shopping site isn't working

[@dmevans1966]

Especially with trail shoes the soles are much more durable and well made now as opposed to road running shoes. I agree that poor technique will have a massive impact on road running shoes. 👍🏻

[@BianchiLuke87]

I bloody well hope carbon fibre doesn't degrade, otherwise I need to replace my bike from 10years ago

26:20 At this point, Andy literally equated cheating with the use of (banned) athletic performance-enhancing drugs to running with modern cheating shoes.

[@Stevenc1984]

'Rick's sub 20 5k' Whatsapp group doesn't really date it. Andy should of said 'Myspace profile' or 'Bebo account'... it's much funnier 😂

[@puttonyG]

Why, why why do you have to do these kind of faces in the thumbnails? Why is it trend everywhere????

[@runningchannel]

What don't you like about the thumbnails?

[@RobDickson69]

16 years older yet much more immature. That sounds like a good target to aim for!

[@NellyMin-e6d]

Skeptical 🫤