Runway Gen-3 is amazing--but let's talk about Credits and Iteration

[@NexeronMedia]

When I first tried Runway, before Gen-3 was released, I was shocked at how many credits you got for your money. Now, with Gen-3, it makes even less sense. The price might have been justified if each generation perfectly matched the prompt, but that’s not the case. Additionally you have to upscale and enhance each clip in another software. The 2250 credits in the included plan equals 450 seconds of Gen-2 ! That's not much at all unless you are trying to make 15 seconds KZbin shorts. Has anyone tried the unlimited plan and the explore mode at the relaxed rate? This might be a solution if the generation time isn't too long, at least you get unlimited generations.

[@Temporal_Disconnect]

Excellent presentation and thank you for keeping it real. I completely agree with what you’ve said considering pricing and restrictions. It’s for this very reason that I prefer to stick to my free tools that somehow work quite well for me. Once this stuff eventually becomes easier accessible, I might start working with it. When paying top price, I expect to have very few limitations and plenty of options.

[@artvsmachine]

Yeah, it's too pricey. I did most my AI animations with Haiper when it was free. Now I use their paid plan. Haven't really found a better free solution. Pika has the most bang for your buck, but the quality isn't good enough in my experience.

[@Temporal_Disconnect]

​@@artvsmachine Yes, it’s a bit of a mixed bag. Honestly, I prefer using SVD locally because it’s free and allows me to perform as many generations as I want. I would love to try Luma more seriously, but it’s challenging to get a good sense of it with the limitations of its free plan. With a 7-hour queue (rough estimate), if the result is not what I expected, I have to wait another 7 hours... lol Considering its high price, I would prefer to have a solid test run before investing my money.

[@Temporal_Disconnect]

@@artvsmachine Yes, it’s a bit of a mixed bag. Honestly, I prefer using SVD locally because it’s free and allows me to perform as many generations as I want. downside is that you have limited control over your outputs. I would love to try Luma more seriously, but it’s challenging to get a good sense of it with the limitations of its free plan. With a ± 7-hour queue, if the result is not what I expected, I have to wait another 7 hours... Considering its high price, I would prefer to have a solid test run before investing my money.

[@rodplural]

Hi! I'm starting to search for viable options for AI animation and I ran into your comment after watching the video. Would you mind sharing the free tools you use? I'm really sorry if I'm being inconvenient!

[@artvsmachine]

@@rodplural For creating AI images try Stable Diffusion Cascade. For video animation, Haiper was the go-to source. Now you have to pay, but the unlimited plan is $30 a month, which is not bad because often Haiper achieves outstanding results, even compared to Runway.

[@gavhof]

thanks for the video! good stuff

[@aivideoschool]

Thank you for watching!

[@theweirdshow2860]

Very well made video, and a very good review! 👏 👍

[@voodoochild420ai]

really great vid, love the gen3 prompt guide that was a cool tip. i like how you looked at it from a neutral perspective and described your personal experience with the iterations you actually get vs price points.very pricey, but thats not to hate on the amazing technology its just like how you said, we need iterations to make the complete videos thats just how the process works since the video gens can be so random you need to keep rerolling the same prompt or tweaking it or whatever so there no way around it, and thats part of the fun is making a buncha variations and tweaking it or getting something you didnt expect that looks weird and making it work, just very pricey if you actually wanted to spam generate theres no way unless your like the high tier plan which is more than my car insurance cost, but supply and demand i guess, they have the supply, the demand is there so its fair business

[@MuraliKabirdass]

Hi Have you used gen 2 or 3 n can we make a full movie with real artists am producer

[@aivideoschool]

Thanks for your comment, that's exactly it. I want to play around and experiment with Gen-3 more, but without preview images or image-to-video, there are just too many misfires to justify the price.

[@voodoochild420ai]

@@aivideoschool very true and i like how you mentioned the positives as well because it is after all a very cool and awesome tool, but the price point is something that should be discussed, loved this vid gave me some good insight as well as something to think about

[@Bittermandl]

Thx for the reality check!

[@raymike]

I guess it’s a reflection of the real cost to Runway of running the servers, so might have to wait a little longer for the tech to get more efficient and cheaper to run.

[@aivideoschool]

Agree, there are definitely hardware and engineering costs involved. It would be nice if you could choose "relaxed generations" for the same credits as Gen-2. I don't need things super fast, I want more generations.

[@suzannecarter445]

Good grief - you are so right! The influencers ignore all the fails and praise it to the skies for one random shot (a simple campfire when God only knows what their prompt was about (a simple hammock?) Good for you for calling 'em out on their ridiculous pricing.

[@aivideoschool]

Thank you! I always appreciate your perspective!

[@christiaanrendle2804]

@aivideoschool Can you suggest a good way to run less credit intensive tests before committing to the final output?

[@aivideoschool]

For Runway, I think the best you can do is start with an image (rather than text prompt) and use Turbo, which is half the credits per second. Lately I'm more into Kling (which has a great motion brush) and Hailuo (amazing prompt adherence for text prompts).

[@cheneffective1983]

You are so wright, I hope runway crew will see and hear this... the pricing is crazy

[@aivideoschool]

seriously, it's probably not much for business users (who Runway is going after) but I bet most of their customers are individuals, who are in a better position to bring to life all the cool things the new model can do

[@cheneffective1983]

@@aivideoschool hope it will not be like that soon, lots of new competitors coming out of nowhere😃

[@TashaCaufield]

This video is so damn good... 😅... Great info and presentation 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@aivideoschool]

Thank you Tasha!

[@dougrobinson5706]

Like you, ive been with Runway nearly since day 1. I think Runway gas gotten a bit arrogant, and the quality just isnt worth the price.

[@XsweetstarliteX]

which other tools would you recommend in terms of pricing, value and quality? I’m with you on iterations, I stopped using pika and kling ai due to this. RunwayML has been good so far, which others?

[@aivideoschool]

My favorite right now is MiniMax because it's currently free (only one generation at a time though) and the quality is amazing. I bought six months of Kling credits when it was 50% off. hailuoai.com/video

[@micbab-vg2mu]

yes agree - it is extreamly expansive - additionaly only.about 10-20% of output is good quality -)

[@aivideoschool]

totally agree, I wish the preview images came back for Gen-3. that might get the outputs up to 40% :)

[@MuraliKabirdass]

Can we make a full movie with Gen 3 with real artists

[@aivideoschool]

You could make a full movie but I don't know how well you'd be able to do consistent characters without image-to-video. Midjourney and others are getting better at image to video but if you can start Gen-3 with an image, it's going to be rough.

[@Alanx_ai]

Excellent video. Thank you. You are correct that AI video us getting more and more expensive to use. Gen-3 is great but not for me.

[@pheonix-one]

Runway is really awful - I’ve tried animation and the hands, fingers and joints always muck up It costs so much for lots of drafts that fail. It’s really shiii - what do I do?

[@aivideoschool]

MiniMax is my favorite right now. Kling is great. Luma Dream Machine is great. There are a lot to choose from these days.

[@pheonix-one]

@@aivideoschool please may I have the links to these tow products.

[@floodvessel8961]

Good points. Pricing making me sad

[@aivideoschool]

Same

[@korujaa]

people see Runaway as a toy play or a game to create naive and silly content, Runaway is for professionals. Its very very very cheap when work professional

[@aivideoschool]

I am asking this respectfully and not as an argument, but can you explain how professionals in your field are using it? In my day job, professionals are the ones who see AI as a silly toy and individual creators see it as a path to a professional creative career in a new field.

[@XsweetstarliteX]

Exactly, I’m using it for professional work. I use it for ai animation and story telling, I re-use certain clips and just lipsync and also do a lot 5 sec b-roll footage so that I can fill the story, due to release episode soon but I love it so far.

[@MrCheswickMusic]

I subbed to Runway for 2 months then cancelled due to costs, it's just not affordable for the average content creator, especially when you take into account all the other AI subscriptions, I might be able to create GREAT content with it, but, I won't be able to afford to live, or even EAT the way prices are atm ha ha

[@aivideoschool]

100%! There are so many other more affordable options that make it so you can hone your skills and create more work. I feel like they're going to start losing a lot of individual creators and be stuck with business users who are just making boring and safe stock video generations.

[@XsweetstarliteX]

which are you using instead?

[@MrCheswickMusic]

@@XsweetstarliteX None of them now dude, I use Udio for music, but that's it, all the big AI video platforms just aren't affordable at the moment for a one man operation such as myself and I'm not prepared to go broke to create AI videos, when the price is more affordable I'll jump back in

[@deyoallenzo7946]

I love runway gen but damn Totally crazy !soon someone is coming to take all their customers,GREED

[@tonycd2709]

I'm so disappointed afte subscription due to its hype. It's not worth it unless you pay for unlimited. I learned that you need unlimited iterations for animation to make it right. Cancel Gen-3 for now :)

[@aivideoschool]

Imo Hailuo does really good with prompt adherence, which means fewer misfires as long as your prompts are good. I plugged their best practices into a custom GPT and it works well

[@joseph-hover-lifestyle]

anybody who is serious about commercial project can afford unlimited plans around $80/month. You argument is about making it cheap so people can play around and generate useless content

[@aivideoschool]

I'm just trying to not be elitist by implying the only useful purpose of AI is generating commercial products rather than personal art. I spend about $200 a month on AI tools but I know not everyone can.