Russell T Davies SPLITS Doctor Who's Fandom

[@rsssfgr1374]

pathetic, i’m entirely dissolusioned at anything doctor who now, it died after capaldi and honestly is never coming back.

[@abras2cents]

Yeah I definitely have to agree.

[@robertrobinson6541]

At least I have more time to read all of the Eighth and Past Doctor novels I've collected...

[@abras2cents]

The old novels were really terrific. I wish that I still had my collection.

[@mgrdraco3857]

If all doctor BI-gen... so 2 exposant 14 is 16 384 copy of doctor who since Hartnell But as the "time child" Canon disasters... we have trillions of doctors

[@abras2cents]

Good point. What a cluster.

[@thego-o-dstuff1036]

Was the "timeless child" having two hearts ever explained ? Is that part of the Canon ?

[@abras2cents]

I dipped out after Capaldi. Two hearts is canon. Not sure how Timeless Child might screwed around with that.

[@alienbob21]

Not now able...this is a very specific thing that happened because of the Toymaker and the powers that the toymaker possesses. it's not a thing he can just keep doing or will just keep doing. It is only retroactively a thing because it was considered a Gallifreyan myth that wasn't possible until the Toymaker showed up with the ability to literally alter reality. Seems like a lot of conclusions being jumped to based off of a thing that has only happened once. David Tennants Hand double is still off with Rose and an Alternate Dimension by the way. It is a Sci-Fi Fantasy show that does Sci-Fi and Fantasy storytelling.

[@abras2cents]

The storytelling has been incredibly subpar for the last 7 years or more. I’m glad it is still enjoyable for you. It’s just not for me anymore.

[@TheThefallenking]

then stop watching, its sci-fi it aint gonna be perfect look a trek not the greatest show but still loved by many @@abras2cents

[@Rwnds7967]

@@abras2cents He didn't say it was enjoyable. Don't mistake correcting you for defending this trash. Dr Who can be shit AND you can be rage baiting people for half grounded reasons, the two things are not mutually exclusive.

[@Furno52470]

Who knows. Maybe the myth originated from this very moment with the Toymaker. It’s time travel, who’s to say a myth can’t travel backwards? I’m still not sure how I feel about where the show is going, but imo it has already changed a ton between each series. I never could put a finger on why I liked the show in the first place, so I’m just keeping an open mind. The “drama” going on with RTD does concern me though.

[@unknownunknown-cd7rx]

"David Tennants Hand double is still off with Rose and an Alternate Dimension by the way" that is completely different, 1. the hand didnt just magiclly regrown an entire body instantly, 2. davids doctor, put majority of his regeration energy into the jar he was keeping his hand in, and even then it still didnt happen instantly, 3. regeneration releases ALOT of energy, enough to blow up an entire dalek ship, enough to cause an entire tardis to crash, no one would survive holding the doctors hand while hes in the middle of regeneration, 4. they only did this to be "woke", if you paid attention or even bothered to learn how the new actor got hired, you would know he ONLY got hired because hes black and gay, if they wnated a black gay guy to play the doctor, they didnt have to make some stupid BS reason to make a clone, or atleast if they did want to do a clone, atleast do something like what they did with davids hand OR do something like how the doctors daughter was born, or better yet just bring back the doctors daughter, they havnt said or followed up on her AT ALL, 5. you cant just hit the tardis with a hammer and just magiclly make a copy, if so, then there should be THOUANDS of tardises on earth AND space, the amount of times the tardis got "hit" is uncountable, so why does the doctor have like 300 diffrent tardises?

[@M8OfTheNorth]

I’m fine with this because I stopped watching doctor who a long time ago. As far as I’m concerned, the series is dead to me.

[@abras2cents]

Same here.

[@jcrossan1351]

Tbf Doctor Who has always had elements of fantasy’s especially in the 60s I hope the bi-generation is a one time thing and is explained better towards the future Chibnall’s timeless child was bad enough

[@abras2cents]

I remember the “fantasy” elements being tied to some sort of science fiction explanation i.e. ghosts being aliens and such. The straight up inclusion of creatures such as goblins seems to move the show in a different direction.

[@TheThefallenking]

it is a show about aliens, which is a fantasy alone @@abras2cents

[@secretguy1013]

toy maker was a character from the original searies and becuse he came into the whoverse and even with him being boxed his very presense changed the rules becuse logic works until it dousent and thats the message we have logic as a tool but if we rely on it alone we lose our wits and somtimes that screws you over when somthing happens logic cant explain or you misjudge somone or a situation!!!@@abras2cents

[@secretguy1013]

I'm glad I don't agree with everything left or right says but this is old and new and its the new world and this has happened before, there needs to be change and if that means a few have to lose there world and feel lost its good for them it's their decision to confront their own demons as many of us have and until or if they even do until then, they will be hatful, there is a huge younger fan base out hear along with many malinuals like myself who will gladly keep doctor who alive and we outnumber you were just more silent than you think! we have spokespersons hero's and wonderful actors and creators vouching for us so we can enjoy the new culture on the rise and were not hurting anyone, things change and adapt and that's just how life is, god our father has changed with it we change when he changes and Jesus loves us all the same they don't focus on our sexuality or any of that but they also don't ridicule us this was a lie forged into scripture bye Kingjames and his men who wanted to force him to repent for homosexuality witch btw isent actually a sin because when god sead love and created the word he meant all forms! god took a peace of his spirit and created a baby inside of marry and sacrificed not only his son but himself a peace of himself and doctor who just explained that process in a way splitting your past from your present is also a lesson to take from the binary generation there isent hate culture in our culture mistakes sure but if you took a peace of right wing and a peace of left wing and combined them with positives and fight againsed the negatives of the ideas than you get what the specuals meant and Davis wants fans who don't have hate in their hearts and ill prey for my enemy's and everyone who feeds off this negativity and wish you all a happy newyear, its time to evolve and be better!!! so do what the doctor did split your past form the positive of your old self and be the 14th doctor than split into something new and beautiful be free from unnecessary traps you make for yourself out of fear and be part of something new and wonderful!!! we sin sure its our nature but everyone seems to forget that was forgiven a long time ago when a man died on the cross becuse a god who so loved the world gave his one and only true son so that forever we would never Parrish but have everlasting life.

[@abras2cents]

It’s healthy to have a more balanced view in terms of life and politics. I admit that it is hard to see the things you love be forever changed (for better or worse). We are creatures of habit and it can be hard to adjust to change. That’s why feelings of nostalgia seem to grow stronger with age. I suppose it’s something that happens to everyone sooner or later. Eventually we all turn into the proverbial old person who can’t stand what the kiddos are listening to. Doctor Who has passed me by. I’m glad that you’re able to enjoy it. It’s just not for me anymore. In the end, it will be up to you and the new, younger Who fans who will determine whether or not the show ends up surviving. Anyway, thank so much for watching and commenting.

[@Alphoric]

So it’s a British show and if there’s one thing British people really hate it’s unnecessary change, we genuinely despise it because it’s unnecessary. It’s just meddling with stuff that doesn’t need to be meddled with, same reason British people hated thatcher because she just meddled

[@abras2cents]

It’s human nature to dislike change, tbf.

[@joejohnston9591]

I mean there really is not a lot of doctor who Canon to be honest like the BBC don't own a lot of what they use in the world like the daleks for example 😅 As for fantasy elements we have always seen stuff like that in doctor who

[@abras2cents]

Not sure what you’re talking about.

[@tdmrebel9818]

Daleks are one of the few breaks of the rule most of the villains are owned by the BBC and doctor who has tones of cannon and lore. The canon is a little messy but that's mostly because it's a 60 year old show with time travel of course it's gonna be messy. But their is still lots of cannon

[@missrocks]

The problem with goblins in Harry Potter was in making them bankers as well, which ties into anti-Semitic tropes.

[@abras2cents]

Everything is just so bizarre these days.

[@emobirb2302]

I mean, the whole thing with rtd saying he likes to think that the bi-generation also applies to the previous incarnations, he probably isnt going to put it into actual canon since the audience reception is not good.

[@abras2cents]

It’s out there though. So the canon has already been tampered with. It began with the Timeless Child, though. If the show’s past doesn’t matter to the show runner, then why should the old dedicated fans even care to be bothered. Many such as myself have decided to move on. I’ll stick with the old stories if I ever decide to revisit the show again.

[@emobirb2302]

@@abras2cents i mean the past does seem to matter to rtd, as the 2 of the 3 specials were direct callbacks to previous dw stories

[@JollyGreenComics]

Abra crushin it

[@abras2cents]

Thanks my friend 😉

[@deskrabbit2190]

where did you get the idea that all the old doctors have bi generated too lol, you just made that shit up

[@abras2cents]

An article good sir. RTD stated as such. Cheers!

[@deskrabbit2190]

@@abras2cents reddit ass

[@jamescocking6435]

I'm glad the doctors bi now, I hope it makes them happy 😊

[@AngryApple]

ugh woke

[@abras2cents]

It might make Captain Jack happy. 😝

[@AngryApple]

@@abras2cents Captain Jack was actually a good written character back in the day, it wasn't forced it was just who he was nothing more and it was a key part of his character and wasnt mentioned just once and forgotten the second later

[@AngryApple]

Im seriously quite done with all the wokeness stuff, the first special was well... something else it felt forced and ugh na man I dont have anything against LGBTQ+ but please stop spitting it on my face ...

[@abras2cents]

My sentiments exactly.

[@emerson-biggons7078]

So when a show has gay anything it's a problem and it's spitting in your face? Somehow I don't believe you when you say "I don't have anything against LGBTQ+"

[@MegaRugster]

Dr Who isn't bi.. it's Bye.. Dr Who fanchise is dead. It died the moment he became a she.

[@unknownunknown-cd7rx]

i wouldnt go that far, but the actress who played it, and the writing and the story telling, thats what made it not work, if they picked a good actress, had good writing, and had a decent story, it could of worked

[@abras2cents]

Amen

[@jmsdeco]

Looking at the declining ratings of the 3 not so specials, it looks like the fans are indeed " getting out"

[@corruptgunslinger]

From 5 million to 4.7 million isn't a dramatic drop either ...

[@slutty_raccoon69]

Specials have always gone down a bit in viewing figures as they go on its not a one time thing 💀 Also considering Davies has basically doubled the 14 day viewership of the episodes compared to the flux it's not rlly failing

[@unknownunknown-cd7rx]

@@corruptgunslinger "isn't a dramatic drop either" it is when you already lost 60% of the original community/viewers

[@unknownunknown-cd7rx]

@@corruptgunslinger not to mention people came back to see david tennet, just to be disapointed by this trash woke shit

[@abras2cents]

With good reason.