Sleep Apnea and ADHD

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Russell Barkley, PhD - Dedicated to ADHD Science+

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@Kauffy901 6 ай бұрын

Data point of one: I was having great sleep problems and did a take-home sleep apnea test and it was negative. Also, I've upgraded my sleep approach significantly over the decades-- still ADHD. In fact, I think worse. Funny aside, I started taking my atomoxetine at bed time, and found I slept incredibly well-- like I could concentrate on sleeping.

@Pani_mavka 6 ай бұрын

I definitely sleep better when I am taking ritaline

@Call-me-Al 6 ай бұрын

Some people sleep worse on stimulant medication, but I sleep better with it. I just don't do it often because with other sleep management stuff (e.g. melatonin, weighted blanket, etc) it's good enough. Unlike when I was an undiagnosed teen who drank black coffee in the evening (and later just started using caffeine pills), to fall asleep in the evening at like 11 pm instead of maybe 3 am.

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

@@Call-me-Al that sounds like delayed sleep phase disorder

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

@@Call-me-Al how do you sleep better with a stimulant

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

@@Pani_mavka why do you sleep better tho?

@trollgod6467 6 ай бұрын

Hello mr. Barkley , Could you please make a commentary on ASD and ADHD for people with comorbidity.

@marzburd1992 6 ай бұрын

Yeah. In the past I know Dr. Barkley has mentioned that people with ASD were more likely to be diagnosed with co-morbid ADHD than someone who got an ADHD diagnosis first. But recently, it feels like more and more people who previously were just diagnosed as ADHD are now receiving ASD diagnoses. From anecdotal experience, this seems to be much higher among ADHD "primarily-inattentive" types. I'd love to see if there are any new studies looking into this.

@maurysiek 6 ай бұрын

@@marzburd1992 has ASD gotten more accomodations lately, where that happens? an incentive (or lack of it) for getting screened for something can have a huge impact on statistics 🤔

@kathrynturnbull990 6 ай бұрын

@@marzburd1992 Yes, I would be interested to see this too.

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

This is absolutely bullshit. The maker of this video is completely downplaying the effects of sleep apnea. Pretty much every study has shown that treating the sleep apnea, even if its mild, significantly improved or remits the ADHD symptoms.

@Hambone_FN 6 ай бұрын

Holy cow, I had an experience with my dentist that had exactly to do with this topic. My dentist convinced me to do a sleep study, and afterwards showed me a whole PowerPoint presentation about how dental surgery would be the only way to fix the sleep apnea I don't have. She also tried to convince me that obstructive sleep apnea was the actual root cause of my ADHD symptoms. The presentation was probably geared towards parents of children with ADHD instead of adults with it, and talked about over-medicating children and the "failings of western medicine," among other emotionally charged claims. It had enough factual errors that were inconsistent with the consensus understanding of ADHD that I could comfortably write it off, but I was upset that this pseudo-science is being pushed by licensed healthcare providers (which I suppose dentistry is, technically).

@kathrynturnbull990 6 ай бұрын

yikes. Over-medication is one thing, but unnecessary surgery is even more concerning! It's generally far less complicated to recover from the wrong medications...😬

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

It absolutely does cause adhd

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

You're in complete denial lol. If you have ADHD you almost certainly had OSA when you were younger. There is substantial evidence that treating OSA remits the ADHD suggesting a causal role. Also, depending on which criteria the sleep study used, everyone has some degree of sleep apnea

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

@@kathrynturnbull990it's not unnecessary lol. Pretty much every sleep researcher acknowledges ADHD is caused by OSA in children. Treating OSA in adulthood likely won't remit the ADHD as you've left the OSA untested throughout childhood and the brain development is "set in stone '

@Nahmanorangedude 6 ай бұрын

I have ADHD and OSA my dad has OSA. I am working on my ADHD symptoms via therapy and medication and I am using a CPAP. Wasn’t diagnosed with OSA till my mid thirties. This was very interesting and I always love your breakdowns.

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

@McBlazington 6 ай бұрын

I was diagnosed with OSA before recently getting diagnosed with ADHD (after my son was diagnosed). The CPAP didn't improve my symptoms, but it did improve my wife's sleep. The Dex I've been trialling has made me feel like I'm sleeping better. So, my anecdotal experience is that lowering my obstructions per hour hasn't helped anywhere near as much as a stimulant when it comes to attention.

@honicjoy 6 ай бұрын

Hi dr Barkley. I’ve been in for a sleep apnea study recently so super relevant video to me personally. I was wondering if you see ADHD as part of some larger (endocrine or immune) syndrome. So many comorbidities in those areas for people with ADHD. As some people have mentioned, some more videos on ASD would be great, especially what that looks like in people first diagnosed ADHD.

@Recordesk 6 ай бұрын

The method and consistency of the way you present your topic material makes it easy for me to get the message. Your wrap-up summarization is much appreciated.

@Magicme79 6 ай бұрын

I don’t have sleep apnea, but I do have both ADHD and RLS. I also have a mostly missing stomach sphincter. All of these things run in my family, and everyone that has one seems to also have the other things, to some degree. Some of us also have other issues. My problem has been that every specialist I talk to have been so specialised that they haven’t been much help with how my various issues are connected. They just work on the symptoms in a very tunnel vision sort of way. I do understand that, and I’m very grateful for the treatments I’ve received, but it’s also really frustrating.

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

Pretty much everyone has sleep apnea. It's just a case of who it's effecting. Look up upper airway resistance syndrome.

@rdklkje13 6 ай бұрын

Same here, with other clearly linked issues. I’m gathering puzzle pieces from a number of different places that really should be working together. And having to explain what I pick up in one place to doctors in the other ones, not all of whom are great at believing I may actually know more about some aspects of medicine than they do. Thankfully most of them _are_ open to this, though, so that’s great. Still exhausting for me to have to do all that work when looking for treatment to be able to do such work 🙃

@rdklkje13 6 ай бұрын

@@cr.-lb1hjmaybe it’s time for you to zip it here. Repeatedly posting the same misinformation across these comments is unhelpful badgering.

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

@@rdklkje13 not misinformation but do you and enjoy leaving medical issues untreated. Look up the studies on sleep apnea and Hypopnea criterias. Everything I said is validated.

@adamm1117 6 ай бұрын

Very much appreciate the video chapters. I can hop between different topics I'm interested in and leave the rest

@IvdW_ 6 ай бұрын

Hi Mr. Barkley, I haven't watched the whole video yet, but I am interested if you would like to explore this aspect of ADHD further by talking about the higher prevalence of DSPD in people with ADHD. I have it myself (I know, totally anecdotal), but my neurologist told me that is was more prevalent amongst us. Would love to hear you explore it further! Keep up the great work, love hearing you continue your interest into your field of work even after retirement!

@Call-me-Al 6 ай бұрын

What's DSPD, please?

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

The study on maternal OSA and offspring ADHD was referring to OSA diagnosed in pregnancy in the mother.

@haggis884 6 ай бұрын

Thank you Dr. Barkley for your scientifically disciplined appraisal of this topic, and your very gentlemanly conclusion.

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

Dr Barkley has no idea what he's talking about. He's completely missed the fact that 35% or so of typically developing children have sleep apnea. Look up David Gozals research on Hypopneas

@ninaschuemmeryoga 6 ай бұрын

Thank you for your dedication and your willingness to share your knowledge. It's much appreciated 🙏

@Pani_mavka 6 ай бұрын

I had this surgery as a kid. Despite the surgery I was diagnosed with ADHD years after it. And my kids do not have sleep apnea but have ADHD

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

This is astonishing face value by you. Just because you were diagnosed years after does not mean that OSA didn't cause your ADHD. You could have had it years before the surgery and it permanently altered your brain development and/or the OSA was still present after the surgery (look up residual OSA)

@Pani_mavka 6 ай бұрын

@@cr.-lb1hj sure it is possible. however i haven't had sleep problems as a kid, i had this surgery for a different reason, procedure was strongly recommended by otolaryngologist

@Pani_mavka 6 ай бұрын

@@cr.-lb1hj I mean I have DSPS but it wasn't a problem in the kindergarten because my parents allowed me to get up late. I had the surgery in a kindergarten age.

@pootie3210 6 ай бұрын

I agree with them you've taken things a bit simplistically here. Removing adenoids etc doesn't always improve the OSA. It's also possible that it made things go in the opposite direction. The airway is complex and sometimes removing something so large can have contradictory results.@@Pani_mavka

@Call-me-Al 6 ай бұрын

@@cr.-lb1hj ADHD is recommended to be diagnosed after age 4, but there have been cases (accurately) diagnosed at the age of 2 because of severity.

@ricky7326 6 ай бұрын

I have wondered about this often in the past. I really appreciate all the info you put out.

@PersonalAccount-sh7ml 6 ай бұрын

He's absolutely downplaying it. If you have ADHD you're almost guaranteed to have had OSA either as a child or as a child and adult. There's pretty much 0 sleep researcher who doesn't agree sleep apnea outright causes ADHD. the only "but" is if it's fully causation. If the ADHD predisposed the child to have sleep apnea, there's just no way the sleep apnea wouldn't be having an effect on their brain either way

@ricky7326 6 ай бұрын

@@PersonalAccount-sh7ml All he says here is that there wasn't enough evidence offered. He wants definitive proof. Wanting proof is good.

@Slammu640 6 ай бұрын

One thing I don't think the surgery studies consider are the long term effects, especially regarding scar tissue and possible structural changes with age. I was recently diagnosed with moderate OSA, 10 years after surgery

@PersonalAccount-sh7ml 6 ай бұрын

That doesn't mean the surgery caused it although this is plausible.

@stencilchicken 6 ай бұрын

Im 43yo m with OSA & diagnosed ADHD. One thing i feel is important to know is that OSA almost nulifies the ADHD medication. Ritalin, Dexamphetamine and Vyvanse i have trialled. And have found that OSA uses the ADHD medicaton to combat sleep deprivation which in turn means there is little to no improvement of ADHD of which it is intended. When OSA is treated with CPAP the ADHD meds do work. I have issues keeping my CPAP mask on due to restlessness whilst asleep.

@briangilliland 6 ай бұрын

Thank you for pointing out that the influencer was a dentist! Too many medical expert influencers are chiropractors with a Dr. Title!

@RichardsWorld 6 ай бұрын

I seem to have "all of the above". I didn't know all of my problems are related. It's like a compounding problem. Or synergistic bad symtoms.

@OrafuDa 6 ай бұрын

Would be interesting to see a study comparing the results of having both the surgery and using ADHD medication to the other three groups: just surgery, just medication, and no intervention (other than a consultation).

@themysticalwanderer36 2 ай бұрын

This video is invaluable

@Mindyours5512 Ай бұрын

"Let's just be kind and say the evidence doesn't support that claim at this time" LOLOLOLOL what an eloquent way to say YOU'RE WRONG!! Gotta love Dr. Barkley

@bossebergsten8302 6 ай бұрын

Great video, thanks! But how does obesity play into all this? Is the relationship between adhd and OSA still robust when controlling for overweight? (As adhd is connected to obesity and obesity is connected to OSA. Did you find anything in the research?)

@smoke12785 6 ай бұрын

Modafinil fixed my sleep problems by a significant amount (i'd say as much as 90%, the only thing that I wish was better is my morning eye itchiness, but that is probably because my job involves spending a lot of time on a computer). It was prescribed to me as a non stimulant for treating ADHD, but I figured out how much better I slept after taking it.

@dorsia6938 6 ай бұрын

I have been taking Modafinil off label for 6 months and it has improved my sleep by such a huge factor. My life is multiple times better with this drug.

@smoke12785 6 ай бұрын

@@dorsia6938 Norephinephrine deficiencies are not to be neglected, it can leave an individual with cognitive problems such as brain fog, delayed reactions to stimuli and give a person a sluggish and disinterested look. I'm curious, do you also suffer from this mental disorder, and if so does Modafinil get rid, or alleviate hyperactivity symptoms for you? That's the one thing I can't seem to get much improvement with.

@smoke12785 6 ай бұрын

@@dorsia6938 I'm curious, do you also suffer from this mental disorder, and if so does Modafinil get rid, or alleviate hyperactivity symptoms for you? That's the one thing I can't seem to get much improvement with.

@smoke12785 6 ай бұрын

@@dorsia6938 I'm curious, does Modafinil get rid, or alleviate hyperactivity symptoms for you? That's the one thing I can't seem to get much improvement with.

@Veretax 6 ай бұрын

This is an interesting topic, and probably if enough research was done we'd find that sleep apneia might impact brain development, but I wonder if ADHD might also lead to a higher risk of developing speel apneia or other sleep disorders later in life (two different things really)

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

No. Sleep apnea causes ADHD period. The only people who say it's not have ADHD themselves or have a family history of ADHD as they don't want their condition to be brain damage.

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

Even if ADHD wasn't caused by sleep apnea (which would go against the entire scientific literature), it's brain damage anyhow. Any neurodevelopmental disorder is brain damage because you've altered the trajectory of the developing brain and it's not how it was evolutionarily designed to be.

@nonyobisniss7928 6 ай бұрын

Interesting video. My thoughts: 1. If ADHD meds and surgery to improve obstructive sleep apnea both have a similar benefit independently, it's reasonable to suppose that the combination of both could have an even greater benefit in improving attention, in patients with both conditions. 2. Obstructive sleep apnea, like many things in the medical field, is treated as a binary. It is not. While kids may not be diagnosed with it, because it is not considered severe enough or simply not flagged (just like ADHD sufferers are undiagnosed in many instances), they may have minor or major obstructions to their breathing which, if fixed, would also alleviate their symptoms of ADHD/inattention.

@ellanam-ay6355 6 ай бұрын

1.yes it has significant positive effect . .my son medicated (ADHD)since March And he is using CPAP for his severe sleep apnea (since 2022 Dec) . His behavior has drastic change. May son diagnosed Severe obstructive Sleep apnea And ADHD COMBINED type.

@KML-XX 2 ай бұрын

Most likely, it's just that patients with both, have a greater intensity of corelating symptoms leading to higher strife to diagnosis

@leothepuppp 6 ай бұрын

hello russell! thank you for all for hard work! i have seen a few things between adhd and pstd, do you think you could comment on that? thank you nontheless

@roadie1123 6 ай бұрын

Hi Dr. Barkley, What's your opinion of Mendi as an alternative treatment for ADHD?

@Braingrandchild 6 ай бұрын

Dr Russ Barkley, peace be upon him, may he enjoy a thousand years of peace, health and prosperity ❤

@ellanam-ay6355 6 ай бұрын

My son diagnosed Severe obstructive Sleep apnea. Before ADHD

@maurysiek 6 ай бұрын

wait, there are other adhd very early risers? I thought I'm like super weird because everyone only talks about delayed sleep in relation to adhd

@marzburd1992 6 ай бұрын

There's always some percentage that breaks the mold! For example, I have to really limit my caffeine intake and end consuming it early. Caffeine does not make me relaxed, and it will stop me from falling asleep even 12 hours after having just one cup of coffee or tea. It's not "I'm bouncing around with so much energy and that's why I can't sleep" but a "I'm so tired, and I'm not even thinking of anything, why am I not falling asleep?"

@FocusFrameMD 6 ай бұрын

Thanks Dr. Barkley! Definitely curious about surgery, as someone with adhd and osa. Has Visual Snow Syndrome ever been something mentioned under this umbrella of conditions? Is there any connection?

@rookie28604 6 ай бұрын

I have both, a lot of this resonates with me

@remip479 4 ай бұрын

7:57 i guess you forgot "(in) the Offspring of the (parents)" when you describe results in case the father has OSA. Am I right ?

@theelmonk 6 ай бұрын

My diagnosis of OSA did not involve any detection of an obstruction. It was based on temporary reduction of SpO2. I am now being referred for ADHD testing. Could it be that the OSA was not in fact obstructive at all but actually a symptom of ADHD that only appeared to be OSA ? Surgery fort OSA is not a option here,. only CPAP. CPAP worsened my ability to sleep.

@remip479 4 ай бұрын

8:05 I'm not sure that 80% more risk (×1.8) in Father case AND 100% more risk (×2,0) in Mother case are consistent with what i read in your reference. It seems to me that the Odd Ratios are in fact, RESPECTIVELY : father → 1.552 (1.365-1.765)... & mother → 1.413 (IC : 0.937-2.131). I guess you focused on the biggest OddRatios within subgroup of girls, where we see indeed : father → girl : 1.758 (1.458-2.119) ... & mother → girl : 2.159 (1.442-3.233). Just to clarify this point to.

@chriscohlmeyer4735 6 ай бұрын

Would be interesting if a more in depth study was done with regard to "the 90% of children with OSA who have symptoms of inattention", parents and teachers are not great at assessing ADHD or ASD so at least a sample of children with and without OSA should be clinically assessed for ND's which could also include genetic sampling. How many children are missed for an ND diagnosis who manage to function just under the radar of concern for teachers and parents?

@robertkraljii5048 6 ай бұрын

Being overweight can cause sleep apnea. ADHD and obesity have a relationship. It may be as simple as that.

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

But ADHD manifests early, sometimes age 2-3. OSA also manifests very early.

@robertkraljii5048 6 ай бұрын

@@cr.-lb1hj my OSA didn’t manifest until I gained weight at age of 40.

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

@@robertkraljii5048 that doesn't mean you didn't have OSA before then. Look up David gozal from Chicago University. He's shown even typical developing children have a high prevalence (30%) of sleep apnea. Sleep apnea presents differently in children to adults and you don't even need sleepiness. Even without symptoms you can have it.

@EcoHamletsUK 6 ай бұрын

I had my tonsils removed in the early 1960s when I was 6. I always thought this was done routinely in the UK at the time, but might it have been done because of some kind of sleep or ADHD related problems, that were noticed but not diagnosed at the time? I've recently been diagnosed with ADHD, aged 68 (and also ASD when I was 63).

@PersonalAccount-sh7ml 6 ай бұрын

The problem is, and OP conveniently doesn't mention it (not surprising given he's advertising selling his books on ADHD which have 0 mention of sleep apnea despite it being recognized as a major contributor to ADHD symptoms in children) is that the prevalence of OSA depends on whichever Hypopnea criteria is used (Hypopnea is partial reduction in breathing). So you can be no OSA with one study but OSA with another. It's really arbitrary and the main reason seems to be due to the insurance companies being toothless. But really, any amount of sleep disordered breathing has been shown to cause issues in children. Even if it's mild. You could be mild with one criteria and moderate or severe with a more inclusive criteria eg the Chicago Hypopnea criteria. It's really a case of, lots of people have these (even subtle) breathing events during sleep, but not everyone is reacting negatively to it. If you have ADHD and you're a child, treating it should improve the ADHD, sometimes dramatically. But here's where people take things at face value, because even if you don't improve that doesn't mean the OSA wasn't causing the ADHD, it just means that biology is complicated and you may have worsened the OSA inadvertently by removing the tonsils, or there was still residual OSA left, or the OSA was left untreated for long enough to cause altered brain development. It's likely that if you have ADHD as an adult you had OSA as a child even if you treated it at the age of 6 which you said. Because of the reasons I mentioned earlier - OSA may still have been present after surgery. But again, OP doesn't want to admit that all his books on ADHD were missing a major part of the ADHD puzzle.

@Millennial_Manc 6 ай бұрын

I have some skin in the game. I’m in my 40s, with treatment refractory ADHD and started sleep apnea treatment 1 week ago. Absolutely the sleep apnoea adds another layer of poor attention in addition to the ADHD. However, there is something else at play here; ADHD and low dopamine levels in general cause poor impulse control with food and using high sugar / calorie food as a reward mechanism (like gambling or thrilling driving habits). That over-eating increases your weight, and the weight gain causes or exacerbates OSA. Weight loss from ADHD drugs could improve the OSA and therefore improve inattention. Considering the inattention that sleep apnoea causes (both types, not just OSA), maybe a lot of adults and children with sleep apnoea are in the misdiagnosed as ADHD cohort.

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

Bullshit. ADHD is sleep apnea induced brain damage. If you had it untreated throughout childhood you'll have it permanently in adulthood even if you treat the OSA.

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

It's unlikely that ADHD causes you to eat high sugar/calorie foods. That sounds more like depression.

@Millennial_Manc 6 ай бұрын

@@cr.-lb1hj What are you basing this on?

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

@@Millennial_Manc because many conflate ADHD with depression.theyre not the same. They're different. Of course you're going to be inattentive and not want to do work if you're depressed and likely have some sleep issues too. Depression can make you eat high calorie foods to make you feel better, and indeed it often does make you feel better.

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

It's not necessarily a bad thing in depression too. Depression is likely physiological, eating high carb foods raises serotonin, dopamine etc.

@djorankeil 6 ай бұрын

Any thoughts on the Done fraud case?

@Godskey12 6 ай бұрын

Hello Mr. Barkley, I've seen most of your videos and they helped me so much with understanding my daughter's ADHD and the importance of giving her medications to avoid the consequences of not medicating. Your information and research has helped us tremendously and I'm truly appreciative. My daughter is currently 10 and we're in the summer break. I'm not giving her medication in the summer, do you think it's ok for me to have her read 25 minutes and math 15 minutes Monday thru Friday, or should I give her a break from school stuff? Thanks for the feedback.

@rdklkje13 6 ай бұрын

School breaks exist cos kids need those breaks. If she likes reading, doing puzzles etc, she’ll take the initiative. If she doesn’t do that, she definitely needs the break from those activities that school systems prescribe.

@rdklkje13 6 ай бұрын

Also, why no medication for that long if it helps her to feel better overall?

@Godskey12 6 ай бұрын

@@rdklkje13 thanks for the feedback. She doesn't like taking her meds so we don't give it to her in the summer.

@rdklkje13 6 ай бұрын

@@Godskey12 Ah, that makes sense. I was assuming they help her feel better 🙃

@Robert.Marshall 5 ай бұрын

Interesting how many other conditions coincide with ADHD that could possibly be caused by ADHD.

@jaeshasway 6 ай бұрын

Considering I have struggled with insomnia since I was a toddler and have been diagnosed with sleep apnea and adhd, it might be. I’m awake now. Sleeping pills make me too sleepy and groggy the next day. They also don’t help my memory and focus. At 58, keeping my brain in a focused, alert state when I need it is a struggle, yet when I want to relax and go to sleep, I can’t.

@rdklkje13 6 ай бұрын

If your biology is female, and you haven’t already tried it, oral micronized bio-identical progesterone (P4) might help. Not any of the synthetic progestins or other progestogens, to be clear. Only P4 in this specific formulation has been shown to help with sleep afaik.

@dimajo3057 3 ай бұрын

Every modern disease and condition that was only seen in the last 100 years of human history "doctors" : It is GENETIC.

@UTVOFFROAD 6 ай бұрын

I have ADHD and I do have sleep apnea.

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

Virtually every adult with ADHD has OSA, depending on which criteria is used. It's just a case of wherever or not that person is symptomatic.

@remip479 4 ай бұрын

But more : 8:20 « adults having sleep apnea might well be a marker that the parents is also ADHD and THAT'S where the childs ADHD is coming from not from parental sleep apnea » ... I claim this is NOT what you reference'study say. Long story short : They assumee that OSA in mother, during pregnancy, cause dammages and lead to ADHD. « maternal inflammatory states might play a role in immune activation during pregnancy through the placenta and immature blood-brain barrier, rendering the immature fetal brain to be more susceptible to evolve into various neurodevelopmental disorders through microglia activation and epigenetic alterations (Han et al., 2021). We speculate these mechanisms might explain why maternal OSA, which results in maternal inflammation status and oxidative change caused by chronic hypoxia, is associated with children’s ADHD » And, for the father with OSA's Odd Ratios, they said : « The shared vulnerability between OSA and ADHD may suggest genetic mechanisms behind both diseases, superimposed with gene-environment interactions, causing epigenetic alterations including DNA methylation, histone modifications, and chromatin remodeling which are highly sensitive to environmental stimuli. (...) However, future investigation is needed to clarify the mechanism between paternal OSA and offspring ADHD. » Also : « On the other hand, paternal OSA has not shown association with offspring ADHD before. » → result not replicated yet. So maybe, i can assume → the study does NOT relies on the fact that mothers and fathers are undiagnosed ADHD, as you might tell us here. Where am I wrong ? Or am I right ?

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

It does mean its causing it

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

Love how youve just cherry picked the very rare studies that dont show a connection, which havent even considered the fact that theres residual sleep apnea in the ones that didnt show improvement

@ematise 6 ай бұрын

My ADHD sometimes makes me forget to breathe. Did it ever happened to any of you?

@maurysiek 6 ай бұрын

yup, hyperfocus did that a few times to me

@DavidBennell 6 ай бұрын

yep, and then I have to take a huge breath and think wtf was that about

@alrighttumbleweed4782 6 ай бұрын

Lol yes. I had a breathing pattern disorder because of it especially if I was talking a lot. I just graduated from respiratory physiotherapy it was really helpful

@rdklkje13 6 ай бұрын

When I was 3-7 +/- my mum frequently had to remind me to breathe. Whenever she noticed my lips and nails becoming purple as I was hyper focused on some activity. I grew out of it/learned to be more aware of whether I was holding my breath.

@theelmonk 6 ай бұрын

Why is the research all on children ? Aren't adults worth fixing ?

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

Because adults usually don't have enlarged tonsils or adenoids. Also, it's likely treating OSA in adults with ADHD doesn't really treat the ADHD, or atleast it helps with tiredness (and that helps the ADHD) or some executive dysfunction. But this doesn't even begin to acknowledge the fact that they may not be treating the OSA properly.

@briangilliland 6 ай бұрын

I had my adenoids removed and it made no difference.

@cr.-lb1hj 6 ай бұрын

That's because it may not have treated the OSA. There could also be residual apnea events after the surgery, which is a different case than it not treating the OSA at all. Alternatively, you had sleep apnea and it's permanently altered your brain development. One other possibility is OSA wasn't causing your ADHD at all.