Russia - Gorbachev comments on NATO expansion

(16 Apr 1997) T/I: 10:09:16
Former Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev on Tuesday (15/4) cautioned the US Congress against the planned expansion of NATO. He claimed that it would be a mistake to expand the alliance without an agreement not to deploy nuclear weapons and combat troops in new member countries.
Gorbachev told Congress that the inclusion in NATO of former
Soviet bloc nations Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic could
strengthen conservative sentiment in Russia.
Without naming China, he said a new power was emerging in the
Pacific that needs to be balanced by the US and by a Europe that
includes Russia.
He said he was not convinced by assurances that Russia had
nothing to fear from NATO expansion. In the post-Cold War era,
he said, NATO should not treat Russia as the victorious allies
severely restrained Germany after World War I.
Gorbachev now heads an environmental protection foundation.
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SHOWS:
WASHINGTON, DC, USA; 4/15;
Medium shot of Mikhail Gorbachev entering the briefing room;
cutaway of audience;
WS of Gorbachev at podium;
SOT (Russian with English translation ) Mikhail Gorbachev, Former Soviet Leader says, "I believe it's a mistake, it is a bad mistake and I am not persuaded by the assurances I hear that Russia has nothing to worry about";
Cutaway audience;
SOT Mikhail Gorbachev says, "You can not, you may not humiliate a nation, a people and think that it will have no consequences. So my question is, is this a new strategy?";
Medium shot of audience;
rear view of Gorbachev speaking;
SOT Mikhail Gorbachev says, "I feel that if the same kind of games continue to be played, if one country plays some card against the other country then all of those problems, all those issues we have been mentioning today will be very difficult to resolve.";
WS side view of Gorbachev speaking;
CU Gorbachev ends speech,
crowd applauds;
crowd rises to applaud;
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[@goranvuletic8873]

1. Russians said "Don't do it! You're getting too close!" - NATO responded in 1999. by expanding to Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic. Bonus: they bombed Serbia without any resolution by UN. 2. Russians said "Don't do it! You're getting too close!" - NATO responded in 2004. by expanding to Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia. 3. Russians said "Dont do it! You're getting too close!" - NATO responded in 2009. by expanding to Albania and Croatia. 4. Russians said "Dont do it! You're getting too close!" - NATO responded in 2017-2020. by expanding to Montenegro and North Macedonia. 5. Russians said "Dont do it! You're getting too close!" - and finally Russians responded.

[@user-zr4gm4ty5l]

@HAHXAHAXAHXAHAXDDD I know that you hate the russians because the media told you so, but I encourage you to go to Ukraine, then tell me how the russians are losing the war. Of course, there are some setbacks, but the russian army is still gaining more ground in Ukraine and they might achieve their goals no matter what cost it takes. We can only judge once this conflict has ended.

[@andreysmirnov9616]

Just add above point 0 - NATO in 90s (now many documents disclosed in Europe) clearly stated NO eastward expansion at all. This position was accepted even on internal level so actually it WAS CHANGED and Russia's belifs was ruined by following deeds.

[@andreysmirnov9616]

@HAHXAHAXAHXAHAXDDD the longer the war the more victims. You like more people killed both sides??? That's not the game boy. Don't be someone's tool. I'm very sad.

[@sabinereynaudsf]

@@user-zr4gm4ty5l People don't hate the Russians. The problem is Putin and his aggressions in Grozny, Georgia, Crimea, Donbas, Ukraine. What is Putin going to do in Ukraine? Will he subjugate the Ukrainians that don't want him definitely?

[@andreysmirnov9616]

@HAHXAHAXAHXAHAXDDD So Russia is guilty not invading Baltic states in 1999 ? Russia is guilty of trust to West for 20 years? Russia looks always guilty so Putin decided to solve the real problem he declared 20 years ago now not in next 20 years. We don't want them even think of taking Russia down. We want to live in peace with all neighbours but not irresponsible militarized puppet states with distorted moral. Putin you see him now is direct result of NATO/US craziness. Russia would be much better for russians if not this continuously growing pressure. Listen to real US thinker(2015!!!) not propaganda - kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKOwmoaHdqyCiZY

[@jaspalsingh2121]

It seems Gorbachev's concerns were brushed aside as irrelevant.

[@johnjordan6032]

No they were terrorist like threats and nato rightly took them very seriously.

[@toyota218921]

@@johnjordan6032 ask the middle eastern countries that were destroyed by the nazi-nato states who the real terrorists are.

[@lmao.3661]

@@toyota218921 stay mad lmao

[@H3llBaron]

If Russia is terrorist, USA/NATO are Isis. For them peace=no profit

[@Saiputera]

@@johnjordan6032 NATO is divide evendo they try to show how united European nation are. In reality political party have different ideology with each other 😂😂

[@orangemanbad]

Well. That aged well.

[@ThatPianoNoob]

True! The Soviet Union didnt want Nato to expand but former Soviet countries wanted Nato membership. On the one hand people pretend that the Soviet Union wasnt just Russia and its colonies on the other hand people pretend that any claims of the Soviet Union are now rightfully Russias. Which is it? What good is a promise to a state that ceases to exist? A promise predicated on the fact that they want to ensure their ability to interfere with sovereign countries. I am glad that my Polish brothers as well as some others are now protected from this fascist regime and its evil people.

[@CrazyLeiFeng]

@@MR-gz9lm Exactly. It's not about geopolitics or "humiliation". It's about Kremlin thieves who can't steal from Russia any more so they rob another country. Germany and Japan have done well after WW2 despite much worse humiliating defeats.

[@lukasadamson6091]

@@MR-gz9lm I like when Russians describe their country as if it was a senile man that hits everyone with his walking stick that comes too close. "I told you he's a little aggressive"

[@atgunchev]

@@MR-gz9lm Perfectly put. I've been arguing the same point here in Bulgaria with seemingly intelligent people who fall for this simple Kremlin propaganda that "NATO is a threat to Russia" and "Putin had no choice". Honestly, it drives me nuts sometimes. NATO never wanted to attack Russia and it is even more obvious now, when they have the perfect excuse to do so. It's like people are brain dead and don't seem to realize that sovereign countries are ASKING to join NATO because they are afraid of their powerful, crazy neighbor. It's not that NATO is swallowing them. NATO has an open door policy. As a matter of fact Ukraine and Georgia asked to join NATO in 2008 (if I remember correctly) and were denied, just so Russia won't get pissed. Putin has a completely different agenda in Ukraine and it has nothing to do with NATO, nazi's ro whatever stupid excuse they try to come up. It's about Ukraine's drive to democracy, which would inevitably influence Moscow to rise, which is a huge threat to dictatorship and Putin himself. It's about Russia's biggest naval base on the Black Sea - Sevastopol, which is not owned, but leased from Ukraine, so Putin invaded and annexed Crimea. It's about the discovery of a huge natural gas field in Donbas, which would've made Ukraine gas independent from Russia. Putin started sending troops, weapons and officers to enforce a separatist movement and destabilize the region, so it was impossible to develop the gas field. It's about REAL shit like that, not some fairy tale bullshit about NATO being a threat to Russia or Ukrainians being nazi's.

[@piscesman74]

It did actually.

[@theowl2044]

History is always the same: someone speaks the truth, tries to help, and nobody listens.

[@notabene7381]

"Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer"

[@shubhamkumardas1476]

@@user-otzlixr Russia would have never do that if Ukraine promised to stay away from Nato

[@noodles169]

He ain't speaking no truth. His country was responsible for enslaving almost 300million people. His country tried to cover up the worst nuclear disaster on the planet, which almost left most of Europe inhabitab, lHis country were responsible for bringing us to the brink of nuclear war during the Cuban missile crisis. The soviet Union were responsible for the west organising a NATO alliance.

[@notabene7381]

@@noodles169 Did you mean the Turkey missile crisis? And doesn't Cuba have the right to join whichever military treaty it wants?

[@rorymosley9356]

@@shubhamkumardas1476 Russia has never, ever invaded neighboring countries in the interest of territorial expansions and has never, ever exerted power over its neighbors through force.

[@Andrew_alxf21]

"You can not and you must not humiliating a people and a nation without facing consequences"

[@mikicerise6250]

Kremlin: What you mean comrade? Of course we can!

[@user-mh4kh4tm9u]

@@mikicerise6250 that sentence was given to NATO

[@modemmann303]

Well in case of the red indians, there were none ;)

[@infinitelp7796]

@@user-mh4kh4tm9u Wait NATO is invading Ukraine right now??? What the heck the news are telling me its russia. Thanks for clearing that up mate

[@robinlillian9471]

As if humiliating the people of Ukraine and murdering them is without consequences. Ukraine never had any intentions of joining NATO before the invasion. All the countries that already joined are thanking their lucky stars right now and the few non-NATO member countries left are desperately fast tracking their membership.

[@stevosd60]

Gorbachev being a gentleman thought he was dealing with gentlemen. It served as an example to those who came after that the west won't listen to gentle argument as they are exceptional..... And now we are in an exceptional mess.

[@I_am_Raziel]

He is too good of a person. That is why he was dethroned, I believe.

[@abyrvalg_]

He was just stupid and naive as fuck or just didn't care. Also, he once said that destruction of the Warsaw Pact and socialism was his goal all the time. He achieved his goals allright.

[@abyrvalg_]

@@bololollek9245 To be fare, Yeltsyn wasn't that bad at the 90s. He became a drunkard after 1993

[@varelion]

Maybe Gorbachev believed in the common propaganda that the west was THE institution of integrety and highest morale standards. Always bad when you are harshly awakened from a sweet dream.

[@stevosd60]

@@abyrvalg_ I understood he had a brain disease which made him appear as if he was drunk ... There is such a condition, an old friend of mine died that way ...

[@coahuiltejano]

He said same thing in 1989 during malta summit

[@krevetka9744]

And Putin said this in Munich 2007

[@cLaw27]

@@krevetka9744 Don't compare Gorbachev with that rat Putin.

[@michaelvan-vn9ku]

Well, either he was a psychic or we have been fooled by our politicians and the media...

[@6rinda7]

"Education is not memorizing that Hitler killed 6 million Jews. Education is understanding how millions of ordinary Germans were convinced that it was required. Education is learning how to spot the signs of history repeating itself." -Noam Chomsky #FreeJulianAssange

[@user-vyvqvx]

He was right.

[@fluxcapacitor1621]

Russian leaders are cowards. The fear everything including free speech.

[@Mussi93]

He was right that Russia is an insecure bully, that's true. So what if all of Russia neighbouring countries want to join NATO? They're sovereign countries and have a right to do so. Sucks for Russia that no one wants to be her friend, but that's the reality. That doesn't give Putin the right to invade other countries. No matter how much his feelings are hurt.

[@superdingo9741]

​@@Mussi93 It gives the right. Joining NATO is a posponed declaration of war. And only silly or naive people don't understand that. And a country might apply any steps to protect itself. The USA invaded Cuba in 1961 even though there were no threat from the small island. Putin's behaviour is 100% legit.

[@real.mir_]

@@superdingo9741 Exactly

[@Quantum_Cola]

@@superdingo9741 No, it's not a declaration of war. It's a a protection against Russian imperialism. And the countries that join NATO were right, when we see today how Adolf Putin is acting. He won't stop stealing territories.

[@Paguo]

People only learn with tragedies... warnings are never taken seriously

[@gFkDYVMx]

Couldn't agree more. Russia ignored all warnings, that invading Ukraine will be it's peril, and look what we have!

[@budo4]

In a world where nations are free to choose their own path (which includes Russia) you can't have it your way. If your response to not getting your way is to start a war then you're a leader with the mindset of a child. You need to grow up and accept that nations, like people, are free when it comes to matters about their own life. Where I go to shop or eat and the company I keep is my business. Imagine telling me not to go here or there or have certain types of friends or else you'll attack me knowing that you'd never accept these demands/terms from anyone yourself.

[@shazalakazoo7957]

@@gFkDYVMx What do we have?

[@chrisl9934]

@@budo4 Nations cannot be compared to people because the consequences of each nation's actions have far more impact than a single person's. NATO is a military alliance that is against Russia. Joining it means committing to any military action the organization demands. Russia have legitimate concerns if it keeps growing and if it reaches its borders. There is a reason why some countries choose to be neutral.

[@Deprofundis142]

@@gFkDYVMx What an absolutely and blatantly idiotic statement. Kudos for top-shelf indoctrination of your daily manipulated little brain.

[@AnBar11]

And now it’s too difficult nearly impossible to resolve. It’s gone past madness.

[@mongoharry]

@@daarksideyt Most human behavior is multifactorial in origin. Yeah, it's believable that the Russians have security concerns and that their national pride has taken a hit. On the other hand, Putin has a history of being egregiously self-centered and ambitious, and he doesn't mind killing large numbers of civilians. He will subjugate Eastern Europe if permitted to do so.

[@Jefffrrry]

@@daarksideyt Yeah, let's just accept the reasonable Russian demands to attack whomever they want whenever they want. Appeasing dictators has worked so well in the past for us, I am sure it's gonna work on Putin too...

[@Jefffrrry]

@@daarksideyt USA has that military spending. Europe doesn't. The last time I checked USA has no territory on our continent. Baltic states would stand no chance against Russia without NATO backing them, that's just a fact, even if we are accounting for the shambles russian military is in. It has every basis in reality, just you and other pro-russian trolls would rather lick the boot of dictators and mass murderers of their own people than stand against them. Berlin won't be next, nobody is even saying that. We are simply saying that without NATO, there would be nothing stopping Russia and its ambitions before they would get to Germany's borders. There was no threat. The threat was only in Putin's head as the paranoid megalomaniac he is. The west didn't even care about Russia, let alone was threatening it. Russia's reaction is to an imaginary threat, hmmm what is that reminscent of? Totally not of one little sad guy with sad mustache. Cold war is over, USSR is no more. Russia has no say whatsoever anymore in who all of us in central-eastern Europe wish to join. The wishes of 170M ppl living here to seek protection are higher than wishes of 140M Russians to have their empire back. You might not like it, Russia might not like it, you might protest against it, but that's all you can do about it.

[@iamarussianbot3788]

@@Jefffrrry kind of like what US/NATO have been doing. Lol US/NATO have invaded ,bombed more countries and people than Russia has post USSR.

[@Jefffrrry]

@@iamarussianbot3788 Funny how you limit it only to their post-USSR days when they were weak :D The rest doesn't fit your agenda I guess. But ok, let's play, half of those NATO/US wars and campaigns happened with full mandate of the UN (to which Russia agreed too lol), or were considered legitimate by UN itself even if full mandate was not there. Some of the others were questionable and ppl in the West protested against those a lot. The fact remains that all of those wars were waged against dictators murdering their own people just to cling on to power or to prevent ongoing genocides. You can read the international reports on those. Meanwhile who did Russia attacked? Ppl who wanted to break free from it or ppl who wanted to break free from their sphere of influence :) But please, by all means, continue relativizing this just as russian propaganda wants you to.

[@eefneleman9564]

I guess he got the same treatment as Putin in 2007 and 2008: just ignore him and he'll go away.

[@kvaka009]

Not even close bub.

[@azounx]

Putin wasn't ignored, at least not by the Europeans. After Nato's 2008 Bucharest summit which agreed that Ukraine and Georgia would eventually become members of Nato, France and Germany have consistently blocked every further step towards their accession.

[@ABC-ABC1234]

@@azounx You're missing the point here!!! Russia asked USA (the main actor in NATO) to block accession to NATO, and has warned since 2005 that he will NOT accept Ukraine becoming a NATO state. The European partners never even wanted Ukraine to be a part of NATO, let alone join the EU (which Ukraine has failed every requirement of the treaty of Maastricht!) USA deliberately refused to make it public, which further enraged Russia. Guess what we have today!

[@thunderwrath87]

@@azounx France and Germany have a say in NATO same as a pig does in a slaughterhouse. None

[@Dirrtza]

@@azounx russua is asking europ as 3th side in deal wich was done by ukraine and russia "Minsk aggreement". They are lookin on side for 8 years. Putin was asking them to respect it but nothing... and now we got what we got. I would say becouse west is ignorant or what is more possible they actualy like this. Let the Slavs kill each other... But however i hope USA politcs games wont last much longer

[@RealLifeHeroesTV]

And he was right…

[@supkoopertttt8777]

Putin has been humiliating russian society for nearly 22 years now

[@supkoopertttt8777]

@@daarksideyt дурында тебя блокирует ютуб )

[@GabGotti3]

And also a hypocrite

[@SickThorn]

@@supkoopertttt8777 Hahaha, are you serious? Did you go to the YT police because you don't like his views? Dude that is weak!

[@TheNbnitro]

@@supkoopertttt8777 aa a guy whos nose get crushed by russians niceee

[@nahumhabte6210]

The problem with knowing history is that you cant take most MSM seriously when they discuss current events

[@roystevenson7097]

It's a shame most others do.

[@nahumhabte6210]

@@roystevenson7097 I blame this on the US arrogance, because they didnt think that other nations have interests too.

[@arfenmalik1717]

@@nahumhabte6210 i would rather have America as the super power than China or some other country

[@blazodeolireta]

yep. commenting in hope that "the ytb algo" will recommend this video.

[@herbertmacaulay8987]

@@arfenmalik1717 yankee lover

[@edwinmartens7459]

When the sovjet union collapsed NATO should have given Russia the opertunity to join immediately. It would have taken away any legit concerns about russia's safety as NATO members do not invade or wage war on eachother. And what is more, the majority of the wiold would guarantee Russia's safety. And in the process we could get rid of all nukes at once.

[@rujotheone]

@@rezet7670 Russia actually asked about joining NATO

[@classesanytime]

@@rezet7670 Bullshit!! Putin already made very clear in 2000 that he wanted to join the EU and NATO! The Americans have held that off!! NATO constitutes a system of collective security, whereby its independent member states agree to mutual defense in response to an attack by ANY external party.

[@rezet7670]

@@classesanytime my first sentence literally says why america wouldn’t let russia join

[@classesanytime]

@@rezet7670 That doesn't appear here though! Quote first sentence: To start that NATO was created to defend ...

[@a.p.3004]

Very good idea and the Russians did ask Clinton about joining NATO, but he pushed them away by saying that "Russia is too big". I think that the US would have been afraid of having competition within NATO.

[@Vincent-qh7zz]

Smartest man in the room, and the deaf West did not listen.

[@jogriffiths5766]

"Perhaps they never will..."

[@anthonyfuqua6988]

The smartest man in the room would not have been trying to save communism 6 years after it was clear it would all implode.

[@Vincent-qh7zz]

@@anthonyfuqua6988 My bet is he smartened up after six years.

[@anthonyfuqua6988]

@@Vincent-qh7zz He's the least ruthless Soviet leader ever. Even gave up power. I was 10 when he dissolved the Soviet Union so he's the only one I remember besides Yeltsin and Putin. He was a pragmatist and not an orthodox communist. Had history been different he could have been a much more revered figure than he is. In the West he is revered. In Russia, mostly, he is seen as a failure. Reviews are at least mixed.

[@Vincent-qh7zz]

@@anthonyfuqua6988 I agree 100%.

[@lakshyajoshi9686]

What a perfect time to be recommended

[@frankgarrett242]

Gorbachev is telling the truth.

[@ThisHandleWasTheOnly1Available]

Should've heeded his advice back then. Too late now.

[@notabene7381]

"Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer"

[@SS-qu7vf]

Yeah. And all Western propaganda blames Putin. Although Gorbachev himself, who gave Europe freedom, said this in 1997.

[@jvjjjvvv9157]

@@daarksideyt Be careful when you go to the supermarket tomorrow, lest you look at someone wrong and you 'force' them to punch you in the mouth. 'Forcing' people to do things is a dangerous business.

[@jvjjjvvv9157]

@@SS-qu7vf I know, right? It's almost as if Putin's Russia had started a war with Ukraine, rather than the West. We should all be more understanding with Putin. After all, if you feel threatened even though you haven't been attacked, you are then justified in going and attacking an innocent third party that was not even the one (you thought was) threatening you in the first place. And it's not your fault at all. Makes complete sense. For a mobster, maybe.

[@mstelios4259]

The only person in that room who understood the gravity of what Mr. Gorbachev was saying was that photographer.

[@nkristianschmidt]

a minute chuckling for that

[@zhouwu]

Wait, the photographer? Why? I missed the joke.

[@nhatnguyend2282]

And it happened, and you say what's a supprise!

[@andrezcabara2774]

It was a surprise, even to John Mearsheimer. It wasn't a surprise to former soviet states, like Poland, who have warned Germany not to become too dependent on Russian gas. NATO expansion was not a provocation or humiliation, but fear of a stronger Russia by former Soviet states. Putin uses this as an excuse.

[@user-st3pn8wh7e]

@@andrezcabara2774 NATO expansion is a treat, provocation and humiliation. NATO created to destroy Russia.

[@andrezcabara2774]

@@user-st3pn8wh7e NATO was no threat; Macron even called it "brain dead" just before Russia invaded Ukraine, as few believed NATO had a purpose anymore. What exactly was a provocation? Poland joining NATO? Latvia joining NATO? Romania joining NATO? It was their call. They felt Russia was a threat. NATO was created as a defensive system. Nobody wants to destroy Russia. Look at Germany. When Putin came into power, he was speaking in front of the Bundestag. He got standing ovations. Germany has gone a very Russia-friendly route, making stronger economic ties over two decades. If Russia had not invaded Ukraine, Germany would have moved forward with Nordstream 2. Nobody wants to destroy Russia. We even want close and friendly ties with Russia. But that's difficult to do when Russia invades another European country. I saw an excerpt of a Russian TV show where the host now asked if it's justified to fire missiles into Berlin, as Germany has approved sending tasks to Ukraine. Russia is the aggressor, not NATO. Did you really feel that NATO was about to invade Russia? Russia is a wonderful country. But, Russia has invaded a sovereign country. What did you expect would happen?

[@Tran5513]

@@andrezcabara2774 'NATO expansion was not a provocation or humiliation, but fear of a stronger Russia by former Soviet states.' NATO expansion is a provacation, a humiliation and those countries joined NATO in part because their fear of Russia.

[@369jones6]

Prophetic words from the real deal.

[@cheap-as-chimps]

This has aged like a fine wine

[@stefanveselinovic4777]

​@@MR-gz9lm Lmao.

[@MySipuli]

@@MR-gz9lm True. Like we now see Putins Russia is an imperialistic war mongerer.

[@watch1981]

@@MR-gz9lm yup and the smooth brain gop Putin wing can’t compute that

[@XiuFeanaro6]

@@MR-gz9lm Yeah riiight

[@saketsagar2156]

How you approach to handle a crisis is very crucial , because if it does not take the consideration of other side perspective and filling in their shoe space to understand consequently come to a moot point , then all friendly dialogue and diplomacy is simply vain

[@sweetmelodytv2914]

if NATO advanced it will be the to russia also

[@saketsagar2156]

Oh my poor darling

[@Jefffrrry]

@Esphaeras Praestans Indeed correct. Especially ppl in Baltic states must thank all the gods that they managed to join NATO when they did. Since otherwise they would be the next targets. And now even Finland and Sweden, aka 2 of the most neutral european countries, are seriously considering joining. As they should.

[@saketsagar2156]

@Esphaeras Praestans I wish your diseased brain get well soon . Remind me of a time when your so called territories and NATO and US wanted a friendly relationship with Russia and had took any initiative to boost ties . There is an old adage- what you sow ,so shall you reap

[@tristanpatterson3843]

American greed and arrogance has no bounds. Treading on the necks of others to get higher is all they know.

[@shahaman5694]

Important words were said, but as we can see no one took them serious

[@andrezcabara2774]

What should have been done about it? NATO should have rejected Poland, Estonia, other former Soviet satellite states because Russians felt "humiliated"? Note: They felt humiliated, not threatened. However, former Soviet satellite states felt threatened, and that was the motivation to join NATO. If Ukraine had joined NATO, there were be no war and Russia would be no smaller than it is now. NATO did not destroy the USSR, and it certainly was no threat to Russia.

[@krevetka9744]

@@andrezcabara2774 Yes. NATO should've stopped existing along with Warsaw Pact. US shoud've built healthy peaceful relationship with Russia instead of unilaterally withdrawing from ABM treaty and starting new cold war. There is absolutely zero evidence that Putin wants to conquer any of the neighbors. This narrative is just a corporate media construct.

[@andrezcabara2774]

@@krevetka9744 First, it's not about "Putin". When the Soviet Union collapsed, there was a lot of uncertainty what happens next. There's nothing wrong with keeping a defensive plan in case someone in Russia wants so make "Russia great again". The Warsaw Pact was resolved because countries like Poland, Romania, Latvia wanted to join Nato. And why do you think that is? You're aware that in 2014 Russia annexed Crimea. Wasn't that a sign that Putin does not respect international borders? And what about now, after the invasion of Ukraine? Again, Putin not respecting international borders. Finland now considers joining Nato, and Finland had good relations with Russia. Actually, so had Germany, until recently. There was zero evidence before 2014. But it's 2023 now. Putin has twice ignored international borders. TWICE. Also, the "media" did not construct this narrative. Russia's media wants Russians to believe that the West is out to destroy Russia. Now that's a false narrative. But it's necessary to convince the Russian people of that to make sense of this war. And given that there's no free speech in Russia, you're not worried that the "truth" is covered up? Russians can't protest against the war without fear of being put in prison. Russian media can't criticize Putin or the Russian government without fear of being shut down (or somehow fall out a window or being poisoned). But, you're concerned with the West's "corporate media construct"? Nope, the West wants a healthy, strong, and peaceful Russia, and not destroy it. And if you start mentioning western sanctions; they were consequences for Russia not respecting borders. Imagine Putin had respected borders. People would even more question NATO's mission, as they had before 2014 and 2022. Remember Macron saying "NATO is brain dead"? Maybe it was. But, Putin's actions gave NATO a new purpose. Blame Putin, not NATO.

[@tiendinh2554]

@@andrezcabara2774 delusional.

[@GuineaPigEveryday]

@@tiendinh2554 so apparently countries shouldn’t be allowed to join NATO because they dont want to be colonised by Russia, who is delusional here? Denying a country’s right to exist and defend itself?

[@a.p.3004]

Gorbachev's policies of trusting the west and mainly the US too much, which lead to the catastrophic situation that we have today.

[@Io-Io-Io]

To good a human being... Tragic

[@wertyuiopasd6281]

he shouldn't have trusted the militaro-industrial complex of the U-S, Na-to and the west. We became an empire of lies.

[@a.p.3004]

@@wertyuiopasd6281 What do you expect from a man like Gorbachev who didn't respect his position as GSCPSU (general secretary communist party Soviet Union) ends up doing adverts for pizza just that itself is disgusting and degrading to his political carrer.

[@user-eh9op4mq4s]

@@a.p.3004 Yeah, why can't he be more manly like the manly man Putin. Riding horses half naked, suppressing dissidents, destroying his countries economy, you know, manly stuff!

[@forrest16]

@@user-eh9op4mq4s putin is a war criminal...but US would sink Russia if they get a chance let's be honest

[@ast.george3565]

I like how they cut the video at the park where he was speaking about 1991's assurances😂😅 they jumped to another portion of the speech quickly😅

[@TopinkaScesnekem]

I had exactly the same thought, was looking for the whole speech. Didn't find it.

[@ibnkalli19imam]

0:45 you may not humiliate a nation and think there'll be no consequences." - Gorbachev speach to US Congress

[@eel845]

How exactly is accepting Hungary, Czechia and Poland humiliating the Russian nation? Some pussies are those Russians

[@Blanka1100]

Russia is not a special need baby. Russia today is cheap gas station

[@3s0t3r1c]

f*** ruzzia

[@eddsonshetunyenga9761]

@@Blanka1100a stupid comment by a stupid individual

[@ibnkalli19imam]

@@Blanka1100 Good luck getting that cheap gas now.

[@copetimusmaximus3363]

The translation to English is quite poor in that video.

[@owenhoong88]

Funny how this is being recommended at the time. Artificial intelligence

[@markmotarker]

People have probably looked up the right keywords hahaha

[@neoneherefrom5836]

It’s science not magic.

[@Neckarveli]

and before this i got "Gadhafi meets Putin" recommended, down with FED, down with NWO, lets go bois

[@arfathossain8109]

time was over..it’s time to pay consequence.. when your arrogance cant perceive concern of your enemy then tragedy is inevitable... history always repeat itself..

[@johnpugh3348]

Well said

[@nonegone7170]

Well, Russia is paying the consequences for their aggression in Ukraine. Hell, they're still paying the consequences for allowing Putin to be in power for such a long amount of time. "You see that where you have leaders that rule for 20 years or more you see what happens around them. The only thing that is important in such situations for those leaders and people around them is holding onto power. I believe that this is something that is happening now in our country.” -Mikhail Gorbachev

[@krevetka9744]

@@nonegone7170 You clearly haven't understood a thing yet.

[@hunterpaintingsforsale5067]

Big mistake was done by Mr Gorbachev in dissolving the USSR..

[@pabloandres8757]

Wasn't his choice, Yeltsin took over whilst Gorbachev was taken captive and agreed with the leaders of the republics in USSR to dissolve. Research before saying stuff

[@hunterpaintingsforsale5067]

@@pabloandres8757 Gorbachev was part of the problem because he was so naive to believe his opponents promises, I know Yeltsin came after him..

[@rudra20048]

USSR collapse helped my country to open up its economy

[@MankindDiary]

It wasn't Gorbachev. Countries building USSR decided to end this project. What else they could do? Invade these "insubordinate" countries then and there?

[@hunterpaintingsforsale5067]

@@rudra20048 lol.. Not true

[@kienvo]

After 30 years, Gorbachev is still a brilliant man.

[@azael2078]

nope do you have any idea what happened after the fall of the ussr

[@VincentRE79]

@@azael2078 It was not his fault that the likes of Putin and the oligarchs came along.

[@azael2078]

@@VincentRE79 partially was the blame can go to khrushchev, brezhnev, gorbachev, the US, and yeltsin

[@VincentRE79]

@@azael2078 He bought the USSR to an end little did he realise how many criminals would emerge after this and people like Putin trying to bring the USSR back to life when no one wants it.

[@Jefffrrry]

I don't know, a brilliant man? It's not really that brilliant to inadvertently bring a collapse to the very country he was governing :DD That doesn't mean I am not grateful for that happy accident, the world is really a better place without USSR in it.

[@andrewworth4810]

In 1991 Gorbachev affirmed Russian commitment to the Helsinki protocols which was that each country had the right to the freedom to decide their own foreign policy.

[@kelumo7981]

Except some countries aligned to the US feel that they have to obligation to follow international law and multilateral institutions...so it pushes other nations to abandon such and see them as obstacles the same way the West sees such instruments

[@10aerkhembileg84]

Didnt the prime ministers of some of the nato countries REASURE they would never move an inch eastward to Gorbachev but backpeddled on the promise when he had no power anymore. Well shit

[@Envojus]

@@10aerkhembileg84 NATO diplomats assured Soviet Diplomats in diplomatic channels about not expanding towards eastern berlin. That's it. There were only 2 or 3 exchanged letters. Firstly, these were non-binding agreements. They were presented to maintain the status quo of the time. Secondly - it only talked about Eastern Germany. Once Poland and the Baltics regained independance, Germany reunified completely and the Soviet Union crumbled - the circumstances changed. Hell, once Poland, Czechs and the later - the Baltics joined NATO (The US didn't want them at first, but there was an open door policy) - Putin didn't even object. Hell, even Putin himself wanted to join NATO. Only now the Russians are pulling out these obscure mail exchanges and creating a narrative that NATO is evil and has betrayed Russia. This is bullshit.

[@10aerkhembileg84]

@@Envojus i guess i need to read up on it again

[@albertoaranzabal3422]

No one listened, they act surprised now....

[@Jackissimus]

No, it's Russia that never understood that all these countries never wanted to be a part of Russia's corrupt system. Now Russia acts all surprised that there's resistance in Ukraine. I for one am really happy that my small country joined NATO to get protection from this violent bully.

[@TheNbnitro]

@@Jackissimus you dont understand that not all want democracy i learned democracy by Nato bombed my school on a school day

[@Jackissimus]

@@TheNbnitro You are mistaken, I understand that. Not all countries want democracy, I respect that. But my country wants democracy. Ukraine wants democracy. Most of all, we all want peace, and we want Russia to leave us alone.

[@ElPikacupacabra]

No, they probably did, and decided that other countries have a right to their own independent foreign policy.

[@TheNbnitro]

@@Jackissimus aaa yes you can be like finnland democracy and peace without nato but how you want democracy with the corrupt goverment

[@skymaster4743]

Gorbachev was naive to trust the West on the status of NATO regarding Eastern Europe. With the fall of the USSR, NATO recklessly expanded eastwards breaking the Malta assurance.

[@lorenzo6868]

True, but Russia should ask itself WHY everyone wants to join NATO and not the CSTO (except for some poor dictator countries)

[@andrewmckenzie292]

Have not heard Gorbachev's opinion on latest developments..I imagine his in a spin between supporting his NATO friends and Putin undoing the back-stabbing/betrayal that resulted in USSR breaking up.

[@andrewmckenzie292]

@@lorenzo6868 The west has more money to throw around and a far more effective media apparatus so have a far better salesman pitch...underneath all of that its 6 in 1 half dozen the other...both NATO/CSTO are led by major powers (US/Russia respectively) who want to maintain a sphere of influence preferably at the expense of the other and any other potential rivals. If the USA could have basically scrubbed Russia out of existence without the American people possibly overthrowing their own government they would have most likely. NATO is not much use against China (other than US/Canada, all countries are too far away) so the fact it still exists despite USSR collapse shows its about making sure Russia does not rise again...the freedom/democracy thing is just a façade to keep the masses on side and through the multi-billion media industry seems to be working a treat, people are so use to the propaganda they are convinced they are making the choice freely even if their not really.

[@lorenzo6868]

​@@andrewmckenzie292 There is a reason that Russia doesn't have more money to throw around. They should be rich since they have huge amounts of natural resources and a very competent population. Now their GDP is lower than Spain and the average Russian is poorer than the average Indian. On top of that it is an authoritarian police state. Blaming everything on the west is too simple, China for example IS getting rich. It is not surprising that countries like Latvia, Ukraine and Poland don't want to live in the sphere of influence of a corrupt police state.

[@sea2959]

@@lorenzo6868 if you can't understand the issues here, maybe its time to do your tiktok video

[@daveundconnie1]

Unfortunately Gorbachev is the one who signed the documents back in the 90’s that didn’t protect Russian interest.

[@zoranbeader6441]

Ukraine, Poland, Estonia... are sovereign countries, NOT someones interests. Hitler and Stalin treated these nations as interests and Putin is no different.

[@daveundconnie1]

@@zoranbeader6441 sure they are sovereign countries but they are also very definately the interests of a certain someone, namely Putin among others. If Ukraine wasn’t an interest of Putin there wouldn’t be a 40 mile long line of Russian tanks , personnel carriers and other armored vehicles bearing down on kiev.

[@user-kb9mi8kb8n]

@@zoranbeader6441 Cuba was a sovereign state in 1962?

[@zoranbeader6441]

@@user-kb9mi8kb8n You mean that time when America DID NOT invade Cuba, DID NOT bomb Cuban cities and DID NOT annex Cuban land? Yes, Cuba was a sovereign state then and it's still a sovereign state.

[@master1941]

@@zoranbeader6441 America before tried many times to use military power on cuba, The cubans ask the Soviets for help and then Amerkcans could not continue and sign a treaty.

[@peteroehring695]

The former Soviet satellites are now independent countries as they once we're. They want nothing of Russia but are in fear of it so they joined NATO. Can you blame them? It is not about Russia.

[@confidential6073]

you are naive and gullible kzbin.info/www/bejne/d16QZmqZe7posK8

[@fractalnomics]

Nailed it. A great man.

[@bololollek9245]

Great man? Had he and people like him worked in a factory instead of robbing a country from its people we would not have had this horrible war in 2022

[@badbadbadcat]

@@bololollek9245 you mean US presidents? then you are correct

[@CrazyLeiFeng]

Russians humiliate themselves by having series of stupid systems, forcing other nations into them and conducting mass murder.

[@CrazyLeiFeng]

@@bololollek9245 Because you don't know history

[@jevgeniardassov]

Serbian defence minister said :” You did not just poke the bear, You kicked him in the nuts… What did You think was going to happen???” Wise man.

[@christopherblanchard2099]

Exactly! And look at what is happening now.

[@farrider3339]

When meet bear , no kick his balls. Chop his head. Talk with bear is useless. He speak only bear language.

[@TomDingleby]

Someone is going to have to put down the bear

[@magnificentmuttley154]

✨💎 Bravo! Doesn't that sum the situation up ever so well. Trouble is _THIS_ bear has the A-bomb 🐻 🚀

[@someguyfromarcticfreezer6854]

Stupid reference, we have guns against a bear.

[@rudypieplenbosch6752]

most people have a historic perspective of a one day fly. But back then it was already clear that NATO expansion would have consequences some day, that day has come.

[@andrezcabara2774]

So Poland, Latvia, Estonia, etc. should not have joined NATO? They should have been thrown under the bus like Ukraine? Problem is not NATO expansion, it's a stronger Russia. Russia may have been humiliated by former Soviet countries joining NATO, but that's not NATO's fault.

[@rudypieplenbosch6752]

Yes they should not have joined Nato and just pursued a neutral role,. Then their leaders would not play these risky games they are playing now. Its never wise to agitate your big neighbour like they do now. By being neutral and just trade with the west they would be much more safe. UA would not have been destroyed if it pursued a neutral role.

[@andrezcabara2774]

​@@rudypieplenbosch6752 Should not have joined NATO? How do you know how that would have turned out? Maybe that decision has saved those countries. This is on Russia.

[@rudypieplenbosch6752]

@@andrezcabara2774 You joined a war mongering institute, moreover you are a direct neighbour of the "enemy" of that institute. If needed Nato will sacrifice your country in the blink of an eye, they don't give a damn about your country, like we see with UA. You also joined the now collapsing institute called EU, by doing this and joining Nato, you gave away all possibilities to form your own foreign policies as well as develop your own foreign trade as your country would see fit. You are now a slave of the EU, this probably did not feel that bad when things are going OK, but now things are collapsing, you will be going down with it . The collapse of the EU was foreseeable long before it happened, since there never was a United Europe, the people never wanted it and economically it is a faulted construct (one euro to rule them all). By being independent you would not get into the difficult situation you will find yourself in, into the not so distant future. By being independent Russia would have left you alone, like it did with lots of other non Nato ex sovjet states.

[@andrezcabara2774]

@@rudypieplenbosch6752 I joined a war mongering institute? What? Fact: Russia started this war. And your claim NATO doesn't give a damn about Ukraine? NATO has no jurisdiction to defend countries not part of NATO, that's not its mission. But, the EU cares, as you can tell from the sanctions. NATO has to stay out of this, otherwise we have a much bigger war. Europe is very united and even stronger given Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Most post-soviet satellite states joined NATO. Ask yourself why. Your claim being independent would have guaranteed a peaceful Russia is pure speculation. I guess that wasn't a bet many former Satellite states wanted to make. But, Ukraine was actually independent. There was no real possibility of Ukraine joining NATO, even if Ukraine begged for it. Germany, France, Turkey would have listened to Russia. Now? That trust is gone.

[@Jiri-Juno]

It was clear that NATO could not expand eastward indefinitely, but one day it would hit the limit. No tree grows in the sky. It was incredibly stupid and irresponsible to provoke a Russian bear in this way.

[@wuetend9]

Well our beloved globalists had had to hit the wall first in oder to understand. 😂

[@freeadvice1695]

We’ll never know if it was stupid or great foresight. Putin has shown and communicated since the beginning a clear desire and belief in a Russian nationalism which is largely defined by imperialistic aims in the old soviet sphere. Hard to say, but west could have found itself in a much weaker position if Russia was allowed to reassert control / influence in majority of its old sphere…

[@maplewong2638]

@@freeadvice1695 great foresight my ass. America and NATO promised not to expand eastward and do so anyways, how could you expect Russia to uphold anything on their side of agreement? If anything, history has shown that autocratic regimes are capable of changing into some form of democracy, cue Japan, Korea and Singapore. It was exactly this breaking of promise sowed deep distrust in Kremlin towards Western systems and preventing Russia from getting democratised further. NATO and America is just as responsible as Russia for the war over Ukraine.

[@andreysmirnov9616]

​@@maplewong2638 , I'm 55 yo russian and I agree 500%. Except letting Russia to develop civil society in piece NATO was pressing 20+ years to ruin the trust. Autocracy of Putin now is direct result of external pressure. All western propaganda started not now but after Putin's speech in Munich 2007 and Russia's refusal of Energy Charter to block free west access to natural resources and pipelins. They irresponsibly lie permanently on crazy Pitin's intentions with most of western media . Unfortunately Ukraine now is a tool. That's immoral cruel manipulation.

[@Anton-ri9bo]

@HAHXAHAXAHXAHAXDDD клоун.

[@zahirahussain5061]

Russia is not Iraq, or Libya...or even Palestine .

[@jhufbtibfinuk]

Yep, only in Syria, Ukraine, Central Africa, Mali, Chechnya, Georgia etc

[@human6826]

Central Africa? - bu~llshit! Mali - bu~llshit! Even Syria - bu~llshit! Chechnya is into the Russia. Russia only invaded its western neighbors such as Ukraine, Georgia, Russia has never invaded its southern neighbors like Kazakhstan or Mongolia or China because nato comes from the west to the east. Even dumbest person on earth understands that no country wants a military alliance on their border

[@benjaminmcleod4192]

The view count on this is horrendously low. Congratulations all, for finding the truth behind our modern horror. Doesn't it leave such a sour taste?

[@johnjordan6032]

And that truth is Russia threats NATO not to interfere with the Russian empire's future authoritarian expansion by letting countries in the eastern bloc choose to be democratic and free. Solid proof Russia is run by assholes.

[@amanjha5916]

@@johnjordan6032 lol

[@Jefffrrry]

The only thing that leaves a sour taste here is how many people would deny sovereign democratic peaceful nations the very basic right to choose their friends just so we could appease yet another paranoid dictator. And the real modern horror is how so damn effective russian propaganda is even in countries that were never a part of Soviet/Russian sphere of influence.

[@amanjha5916]

@@Jefffrrry yes just like US denied the right to many(read all) sovereign nations to purchase oil from Iran/ Venezuela. Keeps destroying sovereign nations around the world in name of 'liberation'only to leave them worse thereafter (Guess we can add Ukraine to this list as well) Just like how US literally wanted to nuke the shit out of Cuba for having relationship with the Soviets, etc. For a nation which uses 'sanction' as a way to affect geopolitics and sovereign relations, that's a rather strong virtue signalling. And before you come out to play it all as a 'whattaboutism' let's be clear NATO is a military alliance period and it's sole purpose is to keep the Russians at bay if anything one should be surprised why did they kept quiet after all these year's of expansion and decimation of Warsaw pact. Maybe they were truly weak and didn't want no war but NATO's imperialism never stopped.

[@Jefffrrry]

@@amanjha5916 Wow, so much revisionism and relativizing packed into one post, ngl, kinda impressive. But not even gonna react to the poor attempts at rewritting history, would change nothing anyway. However we can say NATO is doing a really good job at that, isn't it? As it turned out strength is the only thing that can stop Russia. If you're Russia's neighbor and stand alone? You are free clay. Decimation of Warsaw Pact tho... as a citizen of a former Warsaw Pact country I almost shed a tear :DD But if it's all the same to you we think we'll stay in NATO, thank you very much, we quite like it here. We were forced to try what Russia's sphere of influence is like, it sucked, we don't wanna try that again. And nobody, not Russia, not you, not any other pro-russian tool can tell us what we and the rest of the former Eastern Block can do ;) You know who also didn't want any war? Ukraine. But they were not part of NATO, so that means up for grabs whenever Russia feels like it. Except they horribly miscalculated.

[@barsei1511]

can we have the full source and not only some video cuts?

[@sws-vlogs]

The Wise Man had Spoken / Warend of this Day! 🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺

[@Heardbydeaf]

dictator has spoken...that's all...russians want USSR back, because then they will have slaveforce that will held moscow lazy fcks from drowning...surprise - independent countries do not want to be russia's slaves...wonder why? Maybe all that 50+ years of deportations, russifications and slavery...

[@ndrsg3013]

He is sharp... I love it

[@jogriffiths5766]

Same as Mr. Putin.

[@yakusemizhu2201]

I bet the Mainstream Media won’t show this warning you gave them 25 years ago. RIP great Men ☦️

[@coronaflo]

None of the countries currently wanting to join NATO would have done so if Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine, this is their own fault.

[@charlesscott4722]

@@coronaflo NATO expansion started in the 90's. Russia's war with Ukraine started in 2014

[@dirckthedork-knight1201]

@@coronaflo And why did Russia invade in the first place?

[@andrezcabara2774]

What is it with you and the MSM? See the "AP" logo in the upper right corner? It's the "Associated Press". Much of MSM comes from AP.

[@nonegone7170]

@@charlesscott4722 Russia: stop joining a defensive alliance against Russia! Also Russia: Invades sovereign nations that are their neighbors. In his own words: "You see that where you have leaders that rule for 20 years or more you see what happens around them. The only thing that is important in such situations for those leaders and people around them is holding onto power. I believe that this is something that is happening now in our country.” -Mikhail Gorbachev

[@reimei2819]

So prophetic

[@albertpacaj6871]

false

[@countalucard3405]

@@albertpacaj6871 True

[@CrazyLeiFeng]

Russians humiliate themselves by having series of stupid systems, forcing other nations into them and conducting mass murder.

[@brianbozo2447]

Putin should have asked Gorbachev to go to the UN and repeat that James Baker made a promise to both him and Eduard Sheverdnaze that NATO would not expand one inch east if Russia permitted east and west reunification. This is the key issue upon which Russia left eastern Europe and dissolved the Warsaw Pact giving all these countries their freedom I never understand why he didn't strongly emphasize this and even though it is now too late Gorbachev should still be interviewed and go to the UN as the possibility of further escalation to nuclear war might happen. He could also criticise Putin's kleptocracy and corrupt inner circle and oligarchy to embarrass Putin and force him to allow for opposition parties to arise in Russia.

[@user-hd1lt1qb3e]

Из какой ты страны и как ты представляешь нашу политическую систему?

[@lindsayives4915]

Putin spent yrs telling them

[@Pyladin]

@@lindsayives4915 putin spent years telling them: " Criticism Putin's kleptocracy and corrupt inner circle and Oligarchy to possible allow for opposition parties to arise in Russia."?

[@xcofcd]

Gorbachev is much more liked in the West than in Russia. A lot of russians feel like he destroyed the Soviet Union...

[@dragonsdynamite6403]

@@Pyladin is that really the current problem?

[@matthiasmuller7677]

I expected it to be cut and stitched together like "I think... NATO... is... great" :D

[@caesarforlife1663]

😂👍

[@DavianSinner]

LOL!!!

[@seeker5444]

That version is on BBC and CNN

[@whatever7197]

Mhm…

[@real.mir_]

Lol, me too

[@anthonycruciani939]

A wise man who was ignored. During the Cold War NATO forces were no closer to Russia than West Germany and that was a tense time. Now after NATO expansion there are NATO forces all along the borders of Russia. I'm not justifying Putin's criminal act in Ukraine but is it surprising that things turned ugly? How would the US feel if Russia had mechanized forces in Mexico? This could escalate out of control quickly.

[@sathvikraomp2006]

This Countries wanted to join NATO US or already existing countries didn't coerce or bully them to join NATO they made their own decisions as sovereign nations whats wrong with that

[@dandyjesus]

The neighboring countries of Russia joined NATO because of Russia.

[@lt4987]

What criminal act , defending his country .They were coming after Russia and Putin knew it .. he pre-empted the attack ..

[@anthonycruciani939]

@@sathvikraomp2006 I don't dispute that. But you have to admit there were some unintended consequences from NATO expansion and the US did not heed the warnings of Gorbachev or Yeltsin.

[@ArvindChavan]

​@@sathvikraomp2006 was this logic used for Cuba by Americans?

[@b.a.s5019]

History repeated itself once more as if it had never been carried out or even warned from before

[@human6826]

It's all because of George Bush, he was the president at that time he made those idiotic decisions. He should not have become president in the first place

[@andrezcabara2774]

History did not repeat itself. Even John Mearsheimer said that he did not expect Russia to invade Ukraine.

[@krevetka9744]

@@andrezcabara2774 Meanwhile everyone else expected that. And the history for sure repeats itself because we've got German tanks in Ukraine killing russians.

[@andrezcabara2774]

@@krevetka9744 History "for sure" does not repeat itself, unless you twist things your way. Fact: You don't have Germans killing Russians, you have Ukrainians killing Russians that have invaded their country. Don't forget Russian soldiers are killing Ukrainians on Ukrainian soil. I don't want Russians to die, nor do I want Ukrainians to die. But, Russia invaded Ukraine and Ukrainians have the right to choose to defend their country. Are you saying that Russia is in its rights to get drones from Iran to kill Ukrainians on Ukrainian soil, but Ukraine may not get weapons to defend their country? And, what do you mean by "everyone expected that"? John Mearsheimer said he did not expect Russia to invade Ukraine. And I'm not sure Putin did not expect this war to have dragged on this far.

[@krevetka9744]

@@andrezcabara2774 Okay, here we go. Why Russia can not tolerate western rockets anywhere near its border? 1610-1612 Polish occupation of Kremlin. Russians die invaded by the west. 1708-1709 Swedish invasion of Russia Russians die invaded by the west. 1812 Napoleon invasion of Russia Russians die invaded by the west. 1914-1918 World war 1 Russians die invaded by the west. 1941 Nazi invasion of Soviet Union Russians die invaded by the west. Does this justify invasion? No. Invading another country is a crime and you can not justify it (unless you're US of course). My point is, Russia is paranoid about the west for good reasons. No country in the world lost over 30 million people protecting the very same border over and over. Also, you can not start this story with February 2022. It's like starting your story from 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. There was a very good reason for something to happen. War in Ukraine started in December 2013 when US funded a violent coup to overthrow democratically elected president of Ukraine, many anti-maidan protesters died. Then Odessa massacre happened leading to even more unrest among russian-speaking population and those who voted for Yanukovitch. This led to the 8-year Civil War which Ukraine officials called "anti-terrorist operation" or ATO. First wave of ukrainian military surrendered to eastern rebels, some even joined the opposition. Because back then nobody wanted to kill their own citizens because they don't agree with illegal coup. BUT Azov Batallion (currently Azov Regiment) gladly took the task to "protect Ukraine's territorial integrity". Not people. But territory. From people with ukrainian passports. Yeah. Now, to PREDICTIONS of this war: Check "Dave Smith Breaks Down the Reasons Russia Invaded Ukraine" There you can see a clip of Gideon Rose openly bragging about "stealing Ukraine" and that Putin might invade because of that. Putin 2007 Munich speech: "NATO has put it's frontline forces on our borders. This expansion represents a serious provokation that reduces the level of mutual trust. And we have the right to ask: against whom is this expansion intended? And what happened to the assurances our western partners made after the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact?" On June 26 1997, a group of 50 prominent foreign policy experts that included former senators, retired military officers, diplomats and academicians, sent an open letter to President Clinton outlining their opposition to NATO expansion stating that it may lead to conflict. Google it. George Kennan in 1997: “Bluntly stated…expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-Cold War era. Such a decision may be expected to inflame the nationalistic, anti-Western and militaristic tendencies in Russian opinion; to have an adverse effect on the development of Russian democracy; to restore the atmosphere of the cold war to East-West relations, and to impel Russian foreign policy in directions decidedly not to our liking … ” William J. Burns, former US ambassador to Russia: "Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines or the Russian elite. From knickle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin's sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests." Robert M. Gates, defence secretary in Bush' and Obama's administration: "Trying to bring Georgia and Ukraine into NATO was truly overreaching. This move was a case of recklessly ignoring hat the russians considered their own vital national interests." Strobe Talbott, former deputy secretary of state: "Many Russians see NATO as a vestige of fthe cold war. They point out that they have disbanded the Warsaw Pact and ask why the west should not do the same." Trying to safeguard the sovereignty of a country is a good thing indeed, but inviting a state right on Russia's border into an anti-Russian Cold War military alliance is provokation. Ukraine is a sovereign country and has every right to want to join the NATO but what's in it for the NATO? Why did they push for it? This move completely disregards the historical baggage between NATO and Russia and profound historical and ethnical divide between people in Ukraine.

[@zivaradlovacki2666]

Any way, if it was discussed or not, why did they expand? Why did they expand that much and Rusia never got part of it? Did they expand for fun?

[@jacobjorgenson9285]

For profit. Ukraine has a lot of natural resources so they can take on huge debts to but arms from America. So what has happened is perfect for America since all of Europe is now spending 100's of billions on new arms . And in turn so will Russia

[@jacobjorgenson9285]

@J Silva France and Germany voted NO to have Ukraine join NATO. But America wanted the conflict and they will fight Russia until the last Ukrainian

[@zivaradlovacki2666]

@J Silva sure. You were just told. They will fight Rusians down to the last Ukrainian. So no, there is no Americans in there. Go do some reserch about the whole conflict and learn the facts. It is very naive to belive that its just black and white, Ukraina wanted in Nato, Nato sad-yaaaaaay come in! And Rusia said no and went in to kill Ukrainians. Grow up!

[@jacobjorgenson9285]

@J Silva America will fight Russia until the last Ukrainian. Moral bankruptcy at its finest

[@jacobjorgenson9285]

@J Silva America has pushed for Ukraine to join NATO for decades. They mad a promise to Russia to not move NATO further. The US has spent $5 billion on Ukraine elections, guns and influrence. Putin kept saying "don't do this" France and Germany voted against having Ukraine joining NATO, knowing full well it was a very bad idea. So close your CNN and listen to Professor John Mearsheimer and Oliver Stone(Ukraine on fire" and learn something . America will fight Russia until the last Ukrainian

[@podlodnayavodka]

А ведь Горбач был прав! Если даже он это признал, то уж какие вопросы к России?

[@user-tm9kx4zg4e]

Опасения геополитического характера не являются справедливой основой для "превентивных ударов". Речь не о ЯО. У одного австрийца тоже были "справедливые опасения" по поводу Данцига и данцигского коридора, а также по поводу Судетов, но все его запомнили как запомнили.

[@alexidino]

@@user-tm9kx4zg4e расскажи это звезднополосатым.

[@ThisHandleWasTheOnly1Available]

@@user-tm9kx4zg4e Если американцам можно было на Ирак нападать превентивно, в целях обеспечения своей безопасности, то почему Россия не может сделать то же самое с Украиной? В конце концов, даже просто в силу своего географического положения, Украина намного более стратегически важна для России, чем Ирак для США.

[@antonmironov1981]

@@user-tm9kx4zg4e Ага, но нет. Изучайте историю и не выворчаивайте её наизнанку. По принципу "что позволено Юпитеру, не позволено быку?" , как раз про Шикельгрубера, если вы о нём, большинство признают, что его можно было остановить, но большие державы пытались что "рассосется" и ждали и до последнего "откупались" и договаривались. Это и на Нюрнбергском процессе подтвердили товарищи военные преступники, что Судет когда брали, легко бы могли остановить нацистскую Германию. Пытались задобрить. Опасения были у него... У него единственные были опасения, что все вокруг опомнятся и его на корню задавят, а все сопли жевали. А кое-кто и наоборот ему весьма помогал и не только с континента... Разделяй и властвуй- классика. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oGbRmYp6qL2Wbbc

[@freudefreud]

@@ThisHandleWasTheOnly1Available можете попробовать, только вы не американцы - мозгов нет, а Украина не Ирак. Поэтому кроме стыда для своих следующих поколений вы в Украине ничего не найдете

[@Don-ev9rb]

This should be uploaded again with a more precise translation. Basically he predicted what has unfolded with the 'Ukraine' conflict...

[@krevetka9744]

Btw after "Is the the new strategy?" he said "They say no" (они говорят нет) but the translator didn't say it in the video.

[@ToveSophiaKaasgaard]

A lot is missing and Cut … dont like that

[@RONNYMORRISMUSIC]

Spot on and here we go again. I have even seen people saying they wanted this guy back like he would feel different than Putin. No he would not and should not.

[@Uncle_Samn]

No Russian president will feel different. If Putins gone the other guy would demand same he's gone other guy would do same.. Problem is Nato countries just don't listen they've made this cool club and just rule with 'Might is Right' mentality. There should be a proper dialogue including all major stakeholders and reach certain agreements like they all did after WW2 but Nato countries have found a new weapon Of MSM and cutting countries off social networks and start spreading their own agenda news rather then the reality. They'll happily spread misinformation and never loot at themselves.

[@GotterVibez]

He was more diplomatic and decent politician than putin. I don't think he would poison his political opponents like putin does.

[@marynamalitskaya3534]

@@GotterVibez OMG. So what? One person comparing to the stupid wars which Obama and Bush started.

[@tonybetraguino3031]

He weakened the block from the East destroyed the USSR for the beautiful eyes of the Americans.

[@urbanistgod]

He’s done a good service for humanity

[@user-ve9xj7rv8b]

@@urbanistgod The service of true humanity with the demise of the Great American Devil, the grandson of the Anglo-Saxon colonialists.

[@urbanistgod]

@@user-ve9xj7rv8b What is the gibberish? You sound delusional

[@idkwelp1082]

@@urbanistgod idfk I think he’s talking about American British people because British people were Anglo Saxons lol

[@TenOrbital]

You can't have it both ways. Tell your former subjects they can be free and then tell them they can't. Russia signed multiple treaties acknowledging the freedom of its neighbours and former SSRs to choose their alliance.

[@Brian6587]

Very true and this is a good point!! NATO expansion or not they should have honored those agreements.

[@max-cs9ko]

@@Brian6587 There are various informal agreements and mutual understanding, if thats the case why USA doesn’t allowed soviet missile in Cuba?

[@Brian6587]

@@max-cs9ko Hi Max, I personally believe informal agreements are just that though informal. There is nothing preventing any nation from forming any military alliance, relationship or association in however manner they see fit. I do see your point though about Cuba. The big issue was the offensive nuclear weapons being placed on the island. I do believe though that offensive nuclear weapons should not be placed in Eastern Europe but that would require both sides to adhere to arms limitations treaties.

[@Blanka1100]

@@max-cs9ko Nato expansion is bs excuse for Putin. utin knows if Ukrine had been in Nato, he would have not invaded it. It's like blaming a victim (Ukraine) for calling the police (Nato). Russia simply loves annexing just because it can. Nato expansion is bs excuse for Putin. Nato is at Russia's borders for decades. Ukraine is not even Nato member state. Nato never invaded Russia. Russia can not stop invading neighbours just because Russia wants to annex them.

[@viktorgus7522]

Is there a video of the whole speech somewhere?

[@joni8090]

Check out the " minutes " from US Senator Baker and Gorbachev meeting: Moscow 9 Feb 1990. @t Wikipedia. Not an inch further to the East !? Very interesting .

[@andrezcabara2774]

@@joni8090 Gorbachev wrote that he was not given any promises about NATO territorial expansion. The "not one inch" was about weapons, not territory.

[@joni8090]

@@andrezcabara2774 US Foreign Secretary Baker: Moscow 1994 to Gorbachev: NATO will not advance one inch further to the East. Check the minutes of the meeting . 27 NATO COUNTRIES LATER USA/NATO/IMC IS AT Russias front door !! 🇷🇺💲🇨🇳

[@andrezcabara2774]

@@joni8090 Yes, I've read the transcript, and it's worded differently, and it was in the context of German unification. Baker is quoted to have said: "We understand that not only for the Soviet Union but for other European countries as well it is important to have guarantees that if the United States keeps its presence in Germany within the framework of NATO, not an inch of NATO’s present military jurisdiction will spread in an eastern direction." This leaves some play for interpretation, right? What is "present military jurisdiction"? This also was before the fall of the Soviet Union. Further, Baker has no business to make ad-hoc promises on behalf of NATO. He also stressed that it's important to have guarantees, but that by itself is not a guarantee. A guarantee would have to be much better formulated, so there's no misunderstanding. Can Baker make a guarantee that post-Soviet states such as Poland cannot join NATO? The USSR still existed at this time. Such a "promise" would also have to come from NATO. Baker right after is quoted to have said "These are our thoughts. Perhaps a better way can be found. As of yet, we do not have the Germans’ agreement to this approach." I've read in a Polish interview that Gorbachev said there was no guarantee made about NATO expansion, but can't find it. Either way, I've not found a public statement on video made by Gorbachev where he claims that there was such an agreement. If there was, don't you think Gorbachev would have made this claim later? Don't you think Russia would have pushed this if there was one? You've also misquoted Baker, as you've simplified what has been said. Maybe you should read the full transcript and also consider that Gorbachev has not publicly made this claim himself.

[@joni8090]

@@andrezcabara2774 I don't know what you read but I know what I have read and your comment was miss informed from the start ! The exstensive minutes of Baker/Gorbachev have been analysed by many greater than you and it is clear from the off that Bakers handlers USA Administration clearly betrayed the " Good Faith " of the Moscow Accords 1994 , but of course Gorbachev didn't think he was dealing with a Rat at the dawn of a New Era ! America even turned the foreclosed Warsaw Pact into the NATO PACK !! 🤣 And here we are today and you expect me to believe anything a Rat would say !!? Or should I say a Snake 🐍 that can worm its way out of anything 🤣 you should move to Snake island along with all of Ukraines broken Agreements egged on by their Initiators USA ! 🇷🇺💲🇨🇳

[@alondon6950]

They have been warned. Now finish the job and defunct Nato.

[@ba-ba1193]

The hypocrisy of the Americans knows no bounds.

[@cristianheredia4454]

This aged like a fine Cuban rum.

[@adeleroof9022]

No government changes when it feels humiliated and knows that its legitimate security concerns are not taken seriously. As a citizen of the United States, I deplore my government's inability to see the situation from Russia's point of view. The use of harsh sanctions is a form of warfare that I also deplore. After Biden withdrew from Afghanistan, I wondered how long it would take before the US would need to find another area of the world to meddle in, so as to keep feeding the rapacious appetite of the military-industrial-Congressional complex. I am sad to say that Biden has found it.

[@magnificentmuttley154]

Unfortunately the US & NATO have been progressively backing putin into a corner for the past 15+ years. Nevermind biden. This was planned by the permenant D.C. government long ago. And it is no small co-incidence that once syria & afghanistan had worn out their usefullness to the US, putin finally snaps, & suddenly the Media is willing to show us a few things during war in ukraine, after keeping us in the dark for 15+ years. Our "government" or rather _ANIMAL HOUSE, D.C.,_ knew it was only a matter of time before putin would be forced to act Is it really that hard to figure out? Nevermind any interpretations of his "real motives;" their opinions about him, how many innocents among the Russian People he's murdered. All anti-putin propaganda aside, #1: putin is still responsible for the sovereignty of his country. He & he alone bears ultimate responsibilty for protecting russia & it's borders. #2: putin is also responsible for protecting his country from nuclear threats... All the US has done is gradually park more nuclear missles in more places (NATO countries). Once ukraine expressed desire to join NATO, he could not just sit still. He _HAD_ to invade to put a stop to a nextdoor neighbor being used to aim missles at russia. As if that weren't enough reason to invade ukraine, it's been public knowledge for a long time now that japan possesses nuclear weapons capability. That's the same as putting a nuclear bomb on russia's front doorstep... The US certainly wouldn't tolerate _RUSSIAN_ missles being aimed at it from canada or from the mexican border! "Animal house D.C." knew putin would move against ukraine. And I would estimate he moved against crimea in 2012, for the very same reason. This was never about "Making russia great again;" restoring it to it's former soviet glory. What bull****! ! This is about doing his job as Russian president 😒💣

[@silence8806]

_...I deplore my government's inability to see the situation from Russia's point of view...._ Maybe it is less of an inability, but more of an _ability_ to see through the nonsense. _...the US would need to find another area of the world to meddle in, so as to keep feeding the rapacious appetite of the military-industrial-Congressional complex. I am sad to say that Biden has found it...._ People like you keep talking about the US military. But let me ask you, who used his military to invade the Ukraine?

[@magnificentmuttley154]

@@silence8806 If what you're saying is that somehow the US gov't is right in all of this, or you're giving credit to them "for seeing through all the [Russian] nonsense," you are wrong. The US gov't deliberately created this situation with putin by forcing him to act. They planned this over 15 years ago, & they've kept all of us blind & dumb to do it You're not giving any credit at all to Russia for being a sovereign country who must maintain it's own security, even if that means using war to wrest ukraine from NATO's (USA's) hands Make no mistake: I never wanted to see innocents killed in ukraine. But the USA caused this war, & not as a result of unintended consequences. It is very deliberate ...Maybe this will make more sense if you read my last comment 💜

[@magnificentmuttley154]

✨💎 I'm with you there, Adele. Anyone who can't see that the United States economy is based on oil, on war, & on fiat money is either naïve or hopelessly locked into willful denial. There is nothing unpatriotic or seditious about criticizing one's government for it's corruptions & it's exploitations. In fact, that is our duty as responsible citizens... We The People are the Fifth Estate. The Fourth Estate fell long ago, & it is complicit with the criminals running D.C. now

[@silence8806]

@@magnificentmuttley154 _...Anyone who can't see that the United States economy is based on oil, on war, & on fiat money is either naïve or hopelessly locked into willful denial..._ Inform yourself about the numbers and you will see, that the wars the US fought, had cost the economy way more money than they could ever bring back. The foremost basis not only for the US's economy, but all today dominating econonmies is applied science. And money is an ancient tool that is based on trust. If there wasn't so much trust in the US dollar as a global currency, no one would care. I wonder when people stop playing this song about the oh so evil US, being responsible for all the misery in the world and instead treating the people in developing countries like adults who are foremost responsible for themselfes. It is the bigotry of low expectations.

[@vladislavskalicky6283]

amazing that Gorbacev confirmed and warned tha NATO expansion was wrong and breach of earlier commitment not one ince to east.

[@TRolleybam]

That Ukrainian energy board must have been paying Hunter for something .

[@francoluissotomayor3123]

Sad we think we superior to the Russians. Peace and love

[@FloMj]

The expansion wasn’t actually aggressive in nature though. The Eastern European states themselves were the ones who pushed for membership the most. And the reason for that is, that the Russian regime gave them every reason to do so. If putin didn’t want nato expansion, he shouldn’t give them a reason to seek help from nato. Even though the west is also at fault here for letting the state in in such quick succession, it doesn’t justify invading a country by any means.

[@almostanonymus6959]

@@FloMj kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJbHlmR4iLKjlcU&ab_channel=RepublicWorld

[@ablorenz]

Nobody is superior to anybody.

[@stonypee1755]

Russian 2 times has requested to nato but got denied even putin in 2000 made a request to join n was brushed off but accepted other Soviet countries... what was the intention

[@CrazyLeiFeng]

You may not be superior to Russians but your country is much better than Russia. Close to nobody wants to immigrate to Russia, even Africans don't want to live there.

[@nekola203]

Imagine doing a debate with Gorbachev on one side and either Tony Blair/boris Johnson and G W Bush/Trump/Biden on the other.

[@harrisfrankou2368]

It's like comparing Tesla to Thomas Edison.

[@Deutsche_1]

Guess only one would debate (Gorbachev) the rest would continue in denial as they allways do.....

[@nonegone7170]

"You see that where you have leaders that rule for 20 years or more you see what happens around them. The only thing that is important in such situations for those leaders and people around them is holding onto power. I believe that this is something that is happening now in our country.” -Mikhail Gorbachev

[@Macho98]

Is the congress building redesigned after 1997. Why does it look different today

[@viktorgus7522]

I was wondering too.

[@VorkKnightOfGood]

“The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled. The agreement on a final settlement with Germany said that no new military structures would be created in the eastern part of the country; no additional troops would be deployed; no weapons of mass destruction would be placed there. It has been obeyed all these years.” Mikhail Gorbachev. Also, "humiliated"? Funny way to say "my neighbours don't like me for some reason".

[@PRubin-rh4sr]

Russia's concerns about NATO has always been legitimate but I'm sad the culmination of all that is the loss of lives.

[@Heisenberg69691]

It has never been

[@Jefffrrry]

There was a reason why almost the whole former Eastern Bloc sought to join NATO asap after the Iron Curtain fell. Russia chose to not admit to themselves what that reason was and instead continued to blame the West and USA for everything bad happening to them as they have always done.

[@Heisenberg69691]

@@truthgambit First of all the coup had nothing to do with the USA. Russian puppet president Yanukovich dissatisfied Ukrainians which lead them to protest and overthrow him. Second, the war in the Eastern Ukraine has been started and sustained by Kremlin, if Putin simply stayed out of Ukraine’s business, there would be no casualties in the past 8 years. By “successful peace”, do u mean a full on invasion of Ukraine, carried out by Russian military&paid mercenaries, bombing Ukrainian cities (in many cases vastly populated by ethnic Russians), slaughtering peaceful residents who absolutely despise the invaders. That’s y Putin has lost from the start. He thought if he conquers Ukraine, and places another puppet leader there, then Ukrainians would just suck it up, but they won’t. Russia’s backed puppet gov would remain in power for as long as Russian tanks r there, and that’s if Russia conquers Ukraine, which seems very unlikely. Btw, how can NATO get out, if they ain’t even there?

[@PRubin-rh4sr]

@@Heisenberg69691 alright

[@Heisenberg69691]

@@truthgambit Ukrainians didn’t “run their president out of town”, the president ran like a coward he was. Yanukovich never offered to hold a new election, why do you come up with things? Instead he proceeded to harass the peaceful protesters through police brutality and refuse to negotiate. US didn’t stuff a Russian hater into power. Ukrainians have elected a new leader who’s pro-western. I don’t think u’d expect to have them elect a pro-Russian leader when Putin annexed Crimea and begun an ongoing war in Donbas&Luhansk. The January 6th and the revolution of 2014 are completely different. On Jan 6th a group of Trump supporters INVADED the capitol building putting many lives at risk b/c their candidate didn’t win. Ukrainians were peacefully protesting and it would’ve ended as a series of peaceful protests if Yanukovich didn’t resort to violence and instead chose to come to a compromise with his own ppl. The new president did not “take power”, after the revolution, the Ukrainian parliament held an election where Poroshenko won, later in 2019, Zelensky won. The US has not funded Zelenesky, those ppl are dying as a result of the war Putin has started, I hope u realize that. What is rotten to the core and what snipers r u talking and how does that prove US involvement? Like do u even read before u type? U do realize the Victoria Nuland&phone call is a conspiracy utilized by Russia’s state propaganda to convince its audience that the government was elected by the US, which is a total bs. I’m positive I’ve done more research on the topic that the RT propagandists u r getting ur information from. U were keep repeating “US intervention”, yet not even once have u clarified how the US has intervened. The coup was carried out by Ukrainians in Ukraine, where Ukrainians have overthrew Yanukovich and Ukrainians have elected new presidents and members o parliament, yet that somehow al of this leads u to the idea that US has anything to do with this, which is nonsensical and baseless to say. Quite frankly Idc who Doug Valentine is)

[@Francisco81a]

Gorbachev in this precise case was utter right: NATO expansion gave the opportunity for a hawkish russian like Putin to pop up

[@AlexKarasev]

You Sir are precisely right. Precisely: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bomaf5ptasponbM

[@bunnyfreakz]

Putin is better than traitor gorbachev.

[@Wolfboy_109]

THIS DOES NOT AGING PROPERLY

[@sergekorkine]

04.04.22. Cards are played. Issues will be difficult to resolve... So sad.

[@pascaldesjardins9835]

Ukraine should have been neutral. That would have been the best decision for ukraine, the west and russia. A buffer state

[@Edward-qe8xg]

Ukraine was neutral, not part of the Russian Federation or NATO. The people of Ukraine preferred the west to Russia for obvious reasons (and even more so now) and then Russia decided to invade.

[@MargaritaMagdalena]

@@Edward-qe8xg 😂😂😂

[@ottotbt4049]

How could Ukraine stayed neutral when Russia invaded Crimea and Donbass in 2014?

[@pascaldesjardins9835]

@@Edward-qe8xg Russia also invaded after we accepted Ukraine's application to nato. Imagine now an article 5 triggered with nato. Let's be very honest, is ukraine of strategic importance to the west? No. Is it to russia? Yes. Don't play a losing hand. We would've needed russia against china, iran and other. We could've make better choices.

[@ottotbt4049]

@@pascaldesjardins9835 Russia needs to be dismantled, that will be good even for russians and all the neighbours around it, world will have at least another 20 years of golden age as it was in 90s. At present its a rotten empire from 20th century that holds various peoples as hostage in 21st. China more or less acts according to international laws, even Iran does not look like total moron now, while russia is totally unpredicted, changing world borders as it wants, thays why it needs to be handled

[@nationalist464]

You broke USSR and now expecting west to behave friendly

[@buravan1512]

times became tough, expenses expanded... the situation became that USSR was using more money that it made, and other countries like LITHUANIA, ESTONIA, AZERBAIJAN, started showing interests to part ways with USSR, should RUSSIA shoot at all those protesters? the answer is "NO" the result is, many SUPER POWERS decline due to the lack of viability, today RUSSIAN economy is smaller than Soviet days, but their debt to GDP ratio is 20%, but US debt to GDP ratio is 150%, that means they owe more than what they own.

[@whereisthehook]

He's talking crazy. Nothing bad will ever happen.

[@Lulu-dy1ze]

Who is the audience? What was the occasion? Anyone knows?

[@loretagema9085]

The question should be put the other way round: why is it that all countries, close to Russia, were scrambling to get into NATO? Sometime in 1999-2001 (Putin was already in power), Putin asked NATO to INVITE Russia to NATO (it's a historic fact), but NATO explained that a country has to ASK to be invited. Reportedly, Putin was very offended.

[@ishrendon6435]

Uhhhh???? For obvious reasons they have a cruel history with russia???

[@ishrendon6435]

Why did latin america that was reffered to as Americans backyard not want to not deal with america and as of currently many latin american countries have broken ties with the US and refused orders from US??? Its because latin america after the spanish were kicked out had a brutal history of interventions in latin america that the latin Americans have never forgotten and you shouldnt forget. Russians were also like this in many respects to the other nation's so they joined mato after independence if latin america had a choice would they join an institution that is far away from america????? Obviously yes its about using your brain and recognize history

[@ishrendon6435]

Also nato was never going to allow russia in because america controls and made this institution they would never allow a great power like russia or china in . Nato just lied and said that to not allow russia in and russia knew that it was a geopolitical move. NATO especially in the middle east and others isnt seen as benign or great only to eastern Europeans . It all depends on history and context

[@loretagema9085]

@@ishrendon6435 I can speak more for Eastern and Central Europe. Speaking about differences between Latin America and the US we should look at what was at the base of those differences. You may know that after World War II, Russia/Soviet Union kept nearly half of Europe either occupied or under its control + Non-Aligned countries leaning towards the Soviet Union = quite a formidable block. At the same time, as far as I know, Communist and Marxist ideas spread accross LAtin America not without the interference from the Soviet Union (Cuba). The US and the West were terrified of this spread of Marxism/Communism (hense Macarthyism in the US). The US interfered because they wanted to win those countries back to Western influence. To us in Eastern and Central Europe the US and NATO and the EU are are only security guarantors. We would never be free, it's only thanks to them. And we definitely want to live by Western values, in the Free World. Just like Ukrainians now. They fight is about that, they are defending us, Eastern Europeans, too.

[@Jefffrrry]

@@daarksideyt UK, France, and Turkey? Aka 15th-19th century you mean? :D Yeah those don't really apply anymore lol, Europe was an effing battlefield, always at each others throat. Germany is more recent, but they actually completely denazified their country, apologized thousand times over, made amends and became a good neighbor and a reliable partner. Meanwhile Russia has done neither of those things, they still don't consider an invasion into my country as an invasion, but they consider the dissolution of USSR a disaster (because they can no longer lord over others). Russia has nobody else to blame but themselves that hardly anybody except couple dictators wants to be their friend anymore.

[@ivanmiller383]

He’s right

[@anzelmasmatutis2500]

Some commenters in this video hear non-existing claims. Where you hear in video about "no NATO expansion"?

[@someguyfromarcticfreezer6854]

Who ever who wish to join NATO is welcomed, but the terms is: " _The country have to do it self without foreign interference, that means if their people willing do to it and with their politicians to do also, so in conclusion it will be welcome to join NATO_ "

[@jorgejimenez8985]

In 1991 without US bases in Russia's borders, Europe could have been a safer place without NATO expansion. Russia wanted to be free and democratic like the rest of the eastern block, the US missunderstood and tried to treat Russia as a subordinate, something Russia's goverment didnt like, so the US instead treated them as a threat, and Russia, watching how a possible partner became more hostile, acted as such.

[@johnpugh3348]

It turns out he was right and N,A,T,O, wrong

[@Lonewolf-gr2nh]

Nope, Putin just proved NATO was right all the time.

[@johnpugh3348]

@@Lonewolf-gr2nh We should have done what Enoch Powell wanted a free trade area for Europe to include Russia , not this democracy killing E.U. which will eventually collapse because it is run by an unelected Brussels elite,

[@handsomhans343]

Gorbatschow litteraly later clarified that his speech has to be understood with the context of post ww2 germany and the warschau pact This does NOT apply today and is obsolete.

[@gabrielacobian9137]

You cannot deal with Russians as you dealt with the indigenous peoples of north america

[@la7dfa]

NATO never ever touched an inch of Russia. We actually invited them as an observer in NATO in the 90's. USA helped USSR with a lot of equipment during WW2.

[@gabrielacobian9137]

@@la7dfa I am not going to spend time with you because you seem too elementary

[@malmalhi007]

@@la7dfa he means the Native Americans

[@zoranbeader6441]

@@gabrielacobian9137 Yeah, us westerners are way too elementary to see the difference between a conqueror like Hitler and a conqueror like Putin. To us they both look the same, one was murdering people to the east and the other is murdering people to the west.

[@Jefffrrry]

@@gabrielacobian9137 Some truths are simply elementary, my friend. Not every bad thing done is equally as bad as another. Not everything is relative. And the simple truth here remains that every single one of the eastern European countries had tons of reasons why never again be a part of russian sphere of influence. We tried it and it sucked. We ourselves decide our own fate, not Russia or their apologists. And we chose the only alliance that can protect us from falling into that same shitty sphere ever again.

[@magicalfrijoles6766]

We're not trying to humiliate Russians, we just know what's best for everybody. We are Americans after all. I mean, imagine if there was a country out there that had a history of using nuclear weapons and was stockpiling them while telling other countries they shouldn't have them. We need to police that for the world.

[@aubreygmcghee]

When was this statement from Gorbachev?

[@vex8133]

16 April 1997, the date is in the description

[@SoydeCubaCompay]

@@vex8133 that is wrong. Can't be in 97 man, He left offices in 91...

[@jjuanmarin]

@@SoydeCubaCompay he was doing conferences and interviews

[@macpalin4099]

The problem is that many of these eastern exwarsaw pact states would have been happy to not join nato BUT Russia had made a pretty good example of why these sovereign nations need defensive pacts especially when they give their nukes up.

[@allencooke6794]

If the US had not taken an arrogant attitude toward Russia and not abandoned nuclear treaties, it may have been possible for major reductions to take place.

[@macpalin4099]

@@allencooke6794 reductions are unimportant. I'm more worried about national sovereignty for all nations and guess what nukes or friends with nukes provide that sovereignty.

[@allencooke6794]

@@macpalin4099 I understand about neighbors with nukes. But I also believe that the greatest opportunity for world peace came in 1991 when the USSR disbanded, but it was squandered. It is reasonable for Russia to not want NATO at its border installing nuclear missiles and the US saying it will use a first strike. When Gorbachev made his reforms and allowed the unification of Germany, he was given "ironclad assurance" that NATO would not move one inch eastward. They were talking about a new European order stretching from "Vladivostok to Lisbon." This didn't fit the neocon vision of global primacy for the US. George H W Bush rejected such talk and said "Hell no, we prevailed, they didn't" as if it was pressure from the US that caused the breakup of the USSR. When Clinton began expanding NATO it was a stab in the back to Russia and made them the forever enemy, as the expansion was due to the existence of Russia who wanted to be a friend and partner. It was the wildest dream that Russia would abandon Communism and did so peacefully. If Russia had been truly integrated into Europe, then everything that has transpired to poison the relations with Russia would have been unnecessary. But that's water over the dam a long time ago. At this point, the outcome is unclear, but one thing seems definite. That is Russia will be ostracized from Europe and deep distrust will continue for decades, accompanied by nuclear missiles being in a constant state of readiness. I don't think this is the security that European countries want.

[@macpalin4099]

​@@allencooke6794I would agree with you that our best chance at world peace would have been that moment AS LONG AS RUSSIA WOULD HAVE TRANSITIONED TO BEING A FREE COUNTRY. The problem is that Russia has continually made NATO more stable... IF Russia had transitioned from the USSR to be an actual Democratic country that prioritized human rights and free trade. Then NATO would be unnecessary. By being anti-democratic and antagonistic to its neighbors (AKA Baltic Countries and Poland who were sick of being in the sphere of a country that just shoves them around and makes them less stable) Russia has given NATO a really good reason to continue operating. No here is to blame but Russia. We should all stand for national sovereignty. it is crazy that any country should be invaded because they have free elections and don't want to be the puppet of an oligarchical regime.

[@user-zr9pp3oy4t]

@@macpalin4099when USSR collapsed there were no need of NATO, we could built real peace and partnership in atmosphere of trust. But US did not want to do it, NATO expanded eastwards. Russia became such kind of authoritarian also because of the threat from US and NATO. So american people can say thank u for their administration whose perpose is not peace and prosperity in the worl, but domination of the US. Thats why we have now fights in Ukraine. And no one can stop us, cause we protect our national interests. Historical truth is on our side.

[@familyguy8184]

Relevant

[@BinaryRex18]

Russia wanted to join NATO in the early '00s and it was turned down. Perhaps it should have tried joining the EU. That would really be the dream for both Russia and EU.

[@user-vb1jn5su3w]

There are a number of problems that make it difficult for the EU to accept Russia and even make it impossible. This is an intra-European division of labor with quotas for products. All countries that have joined in recent years have been forced to sacrifice their high-tech industries in order to please the requirements of the EU. Europe will simply dismantle Russia for parts. Madeleine Albright is often quoted as saying that it is enough for Russia to leave a population of 12 million people to maintain pipelines. I do not think that Russia will agree with such a role. Moreover, the so-called new European values, which the EU is strenuously imposing on everyone, are unacceptable to Russia. They cherish traditional values.

[@BinaryRex18]

@@user-vb1jn5su3w I mean, i understand your points. But wouldn't Russia, with 160mn people and the largest army and nukes in Europe, be the most powerful nation within the EU? I also understand suspicions about the EU's motives but it also can't be denied that it has been instrumental in keeping peace in Europe until now and generally, people's living standards in the member nations have increased over the years. If EU refuses to admit Russia then I can understand why Russia is very suspicious about NATO expansion on its borders. I think another roadblock is that Russia has a huge population and borders with China, north Korea and a Eurasian economic union with central Asia which EU would find difficult to manage.

[@user-vb1jn5su3w]

@@BinaryRex18 The idea of ​​a “Greater Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok” has taken shape since 2015 as a business initiative. There is a board of this initiative, which brings together many organizations in Europe, seminars and conferences are held. But nothing practical has yet been implemented due to political opposition (primarily from the United States) and the weak subjectivity of Europe, which is in fact occupied by the United States. This can be seen in the example of the Nord Stream 2 project. NATO is also not enthusiastic about this initiative, since it needs Russia as an enemy to justify its existence.

[@BinaryRex18]

@@user-vb1jn5su3w yes it's sad. Though I'm not from Europe, I think it would be good for the world if Europe as a whole could form a closer political and economic union. You guys would be the 3rd superpower in the world rivalling USA and China. But that probably won't happen any time soon unfortunately.

[@tonyhawk94]

Who would have guessed that the Russians would fight against the possibility of nuclear warhead stationned at the doorstep...

[@PifchoBG]

bad argument for invaiding a country, if usa want to stage nuclear weapons they can already do it in the baltic states. also you dont even need to "stage" a nuclear weapon. you ever heard of Intercontinental missile? guess not

[@MrNelloxx]

Well....eh Ukraine has no Nuclear Weapons and Never was a Threat to russia

[@tonyhawk94]

@@PifchoBG 1. I don't say the invasion of Ukraine is justified. 2. The Baltic States are less of a problem geographically speaking as they can be quickly landlocked by Kaliningrad and Belaruss. 3. Yes this situation matters, just like the Cuban Missile crisis was all about the same shit 4. Denouncing the NATO extension isn't incompatible with denouncing Russia's imperial stance. But I am aware that in times of war it is hard to break away from good/evil opposition.

[@PifchoBG]

@@tonyhawk94 russia use nato excuse to steal more land, that all. wonder why more and more nations want close ties with nato, not with russia

[@tonyhawk94]

@@PifchoBG I invite you to read my comment again, i said everything in it, i have nothing more to add to this discussion.

[@hestan723]

Ok, everyone take Gorbachov words in the 2024 context However you must remember something. When Gorbachov was speqking aboit no expansion, he was talking about East Germany reunification and joining NATO, the rest of Europe belonging to the warsaw pact at this time

[@OmarSivori10]

Wich year?

[@6rinda7]

April 1997

[@zBijs]

Per Gorbachev, the people's "humiliating" issue was that some neighbouring countries wanted to be in NATO/EU, but not humiliated when a country with the biggest landmass, and huge quantities of oil and gas, still has a GDP less than Italy, or South Korea. Or a GDP/capita less than Greece ? and not that millions of citizens still live in the same Soviet blocks built in the 70's, while the families of his succesors Yeltsin, Putin, and the rest of the Mafia, live in miltimillion mansions in London ?

[@jorgeponce5512]

If you are going to privatize assets of former state-owned companies and follow the naive advice of Larry Summers and Jeffrey Sachs, who idealistically believed that the rules will be fair and there will be no tricks, then you end up with a rigged process. According to the World Bank, Russia's government (aka Yeltsin) was paid just $8.3 billion from privatizing assets over the years 1990-1998. That's how you get billionaire oligarchs overnight.

[@Malinb0ratt]

Yeah that's true Russia is just too scary, so everybody is trying to move as far away from Russia as possible. They economic development is a joke, and they constant threat nearby countries of using military force. So the only safe way is to join other alliance away from that Soviet thing.

[@Mathias-kz5dr]

Thank you for that comment. Nobody in this comment section (maybe not even Gorbi himself) is able to define in what the humiliation exactly lies. Most former Republics of the USSR and all Warsaw pact members wanted to join NATO and EU as soon as possible. It was not NATO that expanded, but rather those countries that wanted to join. For Russia, that seems to be a humiliation. And yes, the constant economical failures for such a rich countries makes Russia more look like the Congo than a Western state. Very sad, this country has so much potential.

[@andrezcabara2774]

Exactly!

[@Mathias-kz5dr]

@@j.o.1516 there you go buddy, you finally got it.

[@wolfvonversweber1109]

The video shows that, while he was more peaceful, Gorbachev had the same Russian imperialist entitlement that made all it's former vasall states run towards the west and Nato. Russia should ask itself why those countries were desperate to join Nato. It is this entitlement that sovereign nations making their own decisions is considered a "humiliation" of Russia.

[@zhouwu]

That's true.

[@richy6455]

Well said...

[@acidbot666]

"It is this entitlement that sovereign nations" Pile of BS! One nation's security cannot be realized at the expense of its neighbors. The boundaries of your "sovereignty" go as far as the boundary of the sovereignty of others. As soon as the exercise of your "sovereignty" overlaps with others national security the path to conflict is established and the results are clearly visible on TV these days!

[@imperatornoinga3646]

This is cap. Russia was only aggressive with neighbors when NATO started to encroach on its borders. Before they were just against it spreading, mainly because it was a defensive alliance with no enemy. So why expand it?

[@acidbot666]

@@imperatornoinga3646 100% correct!

[@johnforde7735]

You have to watch this in context. This was just after the cold war had thawed. There was still a lot of distrust at the time.

[@buravan1512]

no distrust, American arrogance is to blame.

[@fordee1964]

@@buravan1512 Interesting. I would say that distrust was bidirectional. And the fact that NATO has been useful, is a testament to the nervousness of former Warsaw Pact countries with Putin.

[@andrezcabara2774]

@@buravan1512 No, it's not arrogance. After the Soviet collapse and Gorbachev being well respected, there was fear on who came after him. Still plenty of hard liners, even worse than Putin. Even after Putin, he could be replaced with someone worse.

[@kavehkk8440]

Gorbachev was a simple man who thought with gaving away the Soviet Union and disassembling it will achieving a better world. What a row mind . He caused all this new conflict.