Russian Flights being informed about Canada's Airspace Ban

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[@VASAviation]

#StopWar

[@stoufer2000]

Tell Putin. Then make him pay reperations for the damage he has caused already.

[@michaelm1]

Thank you so much for #StopWar!

[@PetrolHeadBrasil]

@@vangarus who is the "nazi"?!

[@Epiphyllum_Sherman_E_Beahm]

@@vangarus You mean COMMUNISTS!

[@LaggerSVK]

@@vangarus hope you mean the autocrat that invaded country using some quite ridiculous propaganda reasons.

[@bjhaines3282]

I’m not sure exactly what I expected but this level of professionalism and courtesy by all parties was not it. This small thing is still uplifting. Thanks for sharing.

[@_TonyZ]

I submit that, just like nearly every country in the world, I believe (and know, to a large degree) that those Russians being forced to invade a state for no damn reason also oppose these atrocities, in concert with the MAJORITY of their fellow Russians citizens. That fact is pretty clear to most outsiders, thus they don't hold their aggressions out on most Russians; certainly not on civilian airplane pilots. The lone aggressor in this conflict is an autocratic head of Russia named Putin.

[@philnaegely]

@Ari Parker and don't support Putin.

[@_TonyZ]

@Ari Parker I didn't know that (changed it), but in the last couple of days, I'd heard a similar sentiment a few times in the media. So, it's true... Putin is actually doing this primarily because both he and his inner-circle are the only people that wanted this war, while the majority of Russians oppose it?

[@DylanIE_]

@@_TonyZ The majority of younger russian people completely oppose both the war and putin in general and they are the ones protesting on the streets. The ones that do support it are the older people from soviet times who are easily brainwashed by whats shown on the state run media channels on tv. Thats the group of people who actually believe that this war is right.

[@_TonyZ]

@@DylanIE_ I see. What about the middle-aged - those who were young when the collapse took place? Is that a "mixed bag", do you think?

[@tomriley5790]

Thanks for this, Aerflot pilots were very professional. This war has seriously messed up so much.

[@fulcrum2951]

@@amascia8327 only madmen rants about Marxism

[@flowablesysadmin8068]

@@amascia8327 Lol. Do yourself a favor and look up "Marxist" in a Dictionary.

[@pistonburner6448]

@@fulcrum2951 Are you saying that Marxism doesn't exist??

[@fulcrum2951]

@@pistonburner6448 i like how you interpret that from my comment. Rather than remembering a certain Austrian madman that caused the second world war who constantly ranted about marxism, you decide to accuse me of thinking that it doesnt exist

[@Southwest_923WR]

The mans name translate to "Fartin", from "Pootin"!🤣

[@mattc.310]

Their operations will get more complicated as the closures expand. The professionalism of aircrews and ATC is the glue that holds the system together in times like these.

[@frapoHC666]

It's our job and is based on mutual respect. We have no flags, we just care about safety. Would be fantastic if the entire political world could work in this way.

[@MrUranium238]

so once they land they're stuck???? can't go any where?? is the plane temp seized? ..... hope the pilots and crew get paid lodging

[@trueriver1950]

A recent Mentour Now video suggests that's the easy bit. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6PKemedd5qKaNE There are huge difficulties for the Russians keeping their planes maintained, due to needing parts that are not produced in Russia. Also Aeroflot might be refecting that it was unwise of them to build one of their mantenance facilities in Germany. If the Ukraine invasion lasts as long as the Iraq invasions did then Aeroflot won't have enough planes fit to fly even an internal service.

[@JBS319]

Aeroflot seems to be winding down all operations outside Russia and Belarus as is S7. Anywhere else there is a risk of their aircraft being seized with the leases now canceled.

[@DSiren]

@@frapoHC666 all it takes is one country to act nationalistically to ruin a globalist system. Nationalistic priorities are more robust at protecting your own people from the malice or greed of other nations, which is why every nation NEEDS a certain amount of nationalism. Without it, you have instability, and vulnerability. China was able to take advantage of global markets because they prioritized their own people, their own interests over the rest of the globe. They prioritized taking actions that benefit them to take, not ones if returned in kind would benefit them, and due to the desire of the global economy, an inherently globalist system of institutions, they were not cut off or treated in kind early enough to prevent the dominating influence of the Chinese economy, much of which is nationalized, or by law required to have arms of the communist party within them. As much as I agree that it's great for safety-focused organizations to disregard flag or ideology, government and politics are entirely different. Your world would be different too if American Air did shit like intentionally leak fuel ahead of competitor flights to cause flameouts and other engine failures, and your only way to stop them was to dismantle the company to which a large percentage of their employees would take up arms and die for, leaving aside the nuclear elephant in the room.

[@craig8727]

As a former Boston Center Controller I worked many Aeroflot aircraft and their pilots were always professional and great to work with. I feel bad for them having such a huge reroute

[@Bizness10]

Seriously? It's such an inconvenience oh no. Not nearly the inconvenience of having a dictator roll tanks into your home land. I feel bad for the Ukrainians.

[@vihai]

@@Bizness10 you can feel bad for both people beside the group they belong to.

[@danners4302]

@@Bizness10 you gotta remember, it’s not the pilots’ fault this has all happened - they’re caught up in the aftermath. So we can feel sorry both for Ukraine, and for these pilots.

[@dcooper5982]

I agree. Its a sad day when people that totally don’t have a say in what’s going on are incurring hardships. Directly or indirectly. Airline pilots are here to unite the world so people can see loved ones.

[@ronik24]

@@danners4302 Well, but that is the point isn't it? To inconvenience everyday people so much they stand up against the dictator imposing his brutal actions on the world. There is not really any other way achieving that. The future for the people in Russia is ruined, the world will not forgive this until they get rid of the dictator.

[@antimonni]

From what I heard a russian ATC wished the last Finnair flight out of their airspace "all the best" very sincerely in finnish...

[@jayschafer1760]

If there's any country that Russia should have learned not to invade and that it should respect, it's Finland. Especially considering they relative sizes and populations of the two countries at the time, the Finns fought incredibly well and really embarrassed Stalin back in the day.

[@antimonni]

@@jayschafer1760 would hope so... As you know we're the next non-NATO country on the same border and Putin was quite vocal about his dreams of bringing the old Soviet Union back...

[@NicolaW72]

@@antimonni Yes. And we know at least since last Thursday that he means this seriously and that he will enforce all sorts of violence to reach this goal. It will become a very hard time for Finnair. Their business model depends on the use of the Airspace of Russia.

[@the_bottomfragger]

If anyone finds a link I'd be curious to hear it! Sadly the ATC probably knows that it might be a long time until he talks to European airplanes again.

[@jayschafer1760]

@@antimonni I have never been to Finland, but want to visit eventually, and have tons of respect for the nation and the people. In the meantime, I support Finland by placing an occasional order with Varusteleka, which offers super fast (5-7 days, usually) $10 shipping to the US and sells some great military surplus items.

[@user-he1rn5uu5w]

I'd shit my pants in that situation, flying in the air at high speed + having limited fuel, only to find out you cannot enter a certain airspace and unsure where to go next. The stress would've crushed me. Mad respect for the pilots.

[@seeker296]

@Patrick Schmalstig agreed

[@ObamaoZedong]

Wouldn't they be notified in advance?

[@korenn9381]

@Patrick Schmalstig Yes, but there would be no way for them to know if they would be allowed to leave again, so that would be a last resort. Same for western planes near Russia.

[@zackriden79]

they can declare if they need fuel , ANY pilot knows that

[@LeHunkyDory]

Yeah, pilots can call panpan if they're bingo on fuel and get a list of closest airports operating to accommodate the aircraft size.

[@asdc2076]

Both pilots sounded very friendly despite the circumstances 👍

[@VirtuellJo]

It is Putin who is the problem, not the Russian people.

[@tomwilliam5118]

@VirtuellJo so true and so sad for the citizens that want to have a normal life and freedom to enjoy it. My prayers are with them. God help them

[@asdc2076]

@@VirtuellJo No doubt about it, just something I noticed

[@pistonburner6448]

@@VirtuellJo Haha, where have you heard that? CNN? As if you have any clue about that culture...

[@michaegi4717]

@@VirtuellJo yes Putin is the problem, but who voted for Putin so many times? Sadly now it is too late. Even if Russians want to get rid of Putin he will never will leave the Kreml.

[@solarpilot]

I appreciate the fact that despite the geopolitics that are obviously at the forefront, ATC and the pilots were still professional and doing their jobs without drama. These may be Russian aircraft, but they're commercial airliners with civilians of who knows how many other countries on board, and it's still everyone's job to ensure they travel safely and land on the ground in one piece, regardless of restrictions. It would also be logical to assume that if one of these Aeroflot planes had to declare an emergency, airspace restrictions are overruled at that point to ensure preservation of life.

[@stevenzucchi]

Just like the commercial airline that Russia shot out of the sky in Crimea a few years back with all those innocent people on board, lets not forget about that!

[@stephen5141]

It would suck to have been on this flight travelling back home to Russia only to end up back in Russia. However I think it’s the correct thing to do, to show Russia’s leaders that they don’t have any friends as long as they are invading their neighbours and killing innocent people. Absolutely nothing should be going in or out of Russia. They are dangerous people

[@user-yx7mn6hb9i]

@@stevenzucchi It was already told many times, that it was accident, Ukraine ATC send them to in middle of war zone and Russian troops mistaken them as enemy plane, ATC is guilty

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

@@user-yx7mn6hb9i For the first time since Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down in July 2014, prosecutors have announced charges against suspects in the case. Three Russians and a Ukrainian have been charged with bringing a missile into the area in eastern Ukraine and with murdering 298 passengers and crew The most prominent of the four is Igor Girkin (also known as Strelkov), who prosecutors say is a former colonel in Russia's FSB intelligence service. He was given the minister of defence title in the rebel-held eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk.

[@stevenzucchi]

@@user-yx7mn6hb9i I guess if you are fool and believe RT! The responsibility for investigation was delegated to the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) and the Dutch-led joint investigation team (JIT), who concluded that the airliner was downed by a Buk surface-to-air missile launched from pro-Russian separatist-controlled territory in Ukraine.[6][7] According to the JIT, the Buk that was used originated from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade of the Russian Federation[8][9] and had been transported from Russia on the day of the crash, fired from a field in a rebel-controlled area and the launch system returned to Russia afterwards.[1][2][8] The findings by the DSB and JIT are consistent with the earlier claims by American and German intelligence sources[10][11] and claims by the Ukrainian government.[12] On the basis of the JIT's conclusions, the governments of the Netherlands and Australia held Russia responsible for the deployment of the Buk installation and were pursuing legal routes as of May 2018.[13][14] The Russian government denied involvement in the shooting down of the airplane,[9][15][16] and its account of how the aircraft was shot down has varied over time.[17] Coverage in Russian media has also differed from that in other countries

[@lmboh8585]

Thank for posting the chart at the end of the video, it helped greatly in visualizing the flight route

[@zorro4962]

VASAviation, I love your content and I never thought you’d be documenting history through your posts!

[@PrenticeBoy1688]

I never thought VAS Aviation would cover anything like this, but he's definitely covered events of historical interest before.

[@653j521]

@@PrenticeBoy1688 Shades of 9/11.

[@tieoneon5240]

zorr:?? every post regarding an incident with craft is history

[@PrenticeBoy1688]

@@653j521 How so?

[@EdgarCorona]

Sad to see but appreciate seeing the professionalism. Aeroflot and those pilots did nothing wrong but they're feeling the consequences of their government's actions.

[@00BillyTorontoBill]

Think you mean Canada's actions.

[@wloffblizz]

Yes -- the Aeroflot pilots are also victims of Putin's stupid, pointless, fucked up war (with Aeroflot being crippled the way it is, their jobs must be in jeopardy).

[@NicolaW72]

@@wloffblizz Yes.

[@nerysghemor5781]

@@00BillyTorontoBill Canada didn’t just pick a random day on the calendar and decide they didn’t like Russian airplanes anymore. And they didn’t act pre-emptively. If Putin hadn’t invaded, then they would NEVER have done that. I don’t like Trudeau but he didn’t do this for shits and giggles.

[@EdgarCorona]

@@nerysghemor5781 Thank you for understanding Canada isn't to blame. And now United States just joined in. Billy might as well blame the United States too! Blame everyone except the one who started it!

[@1stb1]

I think people involved in international transportation are likely to have more open minds and tolerance, having interacted with others from around the world. Sad that they will have to face the consequences of the unjust actions of the few and powerful.

[@mkvector9539]

The US Congress and Washington have yet to face the consequences along with their inteligence agency handlers.

[@Wizzardgirl]

Aviation unites the world in more ways than one. It makes the world one world. You can't see country lines from 34,000 feet. ATC and pilots alike aren't responsible for their governments nor the decisions their governments make. Thank you for providing this. I was listening live on Live ATC to some of this. Everyone was professional and understanding on both side of the mic. Everyone is a victim here of a crazy man trying to relive his Cold War/Iron Curtain glory days.

[@Firecul]

I feel sorry for the ones who were on route and had their clearance cancelled mid-flight

[@dw31415]

I feel more sorrow for the Ukrainian people.

[@stevenzucchi]

Have your leaders end the Invasion in Ukraine then!

[@lottiestanley7696]

@@stevenzucchi You make that sound so easy…

[@Renard380]

Unlike Putin's Russia, Europe doesn't agressively expand. Countries ASK to be part of Europe.

[@stevenzucchi]

@@slinger7529 how about Russia stop war crimes, killing innocent civilians in Ukraine, illegal annex of Crimea, bombarding nuclear power plants. .Nato works within the bounds if International law! Russia continuously breaks International law. They are actively starting a war against the world not just the Ukraine . If you can't see that, you are a brainwashed fool!

[@Dakota__69]

I feel bad for these pilots. They have nothing to do with what's going on, and (I think these flights) had to adapt mid-flight. The professionalism here restores some of my faith in humanity. Most people aren't terrible. #stopwar

[@UrPilotNatt]

Yeah, the reason for the airspace restriction to Russian airlines in most places is because they are trying to cut the financial cord of Russia. It is basically fighting Russia without actually fighting and risking any nukes being sent. It is kind of sad for the pilots who had nothing to do with it, but it has its contribution to helping Ukraine.

[@robertmyers2329]

@@sncy5303 Dude, you're advocating that a NATO power shoot down a Russian airliner with basically no provocation at a time when east-west relations are tenser than they've been since the height of the Cold War. Are you _trying_ to start the nuclear apocalypse?

[@JohnA891]

@@robertmyers2329 You are so right, I mean what kind of an asshole regime would intentionally shoot down a commercial passenger airliner for a minor airspace incursion... oh right KAL007, isn't that inconvenient.

[@westhavenor9513]

@@sncy5303 Don't be ridiculous, tough guy

[@robertmyers2329]

@@JohnA891 Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, and if you're not, I apologize. But if you are, let's do try not to stake an airliner full of innocents and a potential world war on kindergarten 'but the Soviets did it too' logic. I mean, you haven't chosen a very good role model there, have you?

[@basfinnis]

War is never the answer. I've flown over Russia so many times and the controllers have always been really friendly. I hope this will be resolved soon and the bloodshed to end.

[@gitargr8]

I'm sure the NOTAM will end as soon as Russians leave Ukraine. Honestly hope more countries follow Canadia's lead.

[@doug112244]

@@gitargr8 I hope all countries follow Canada's lead.

[@freakfly23]

Canada is pro freedom accept in Canada.

[@tieoneon5240]

@@freakfly23 glad someone else can see that !!!

[@gitargr8]

@@freakfly23 Unsurprisingly the antivaxer doesn't know the word is spelled "except".

[@Jenny.C1978]

The very definition of professionalism from Pilots and ATC. Thanks for sharing.

[@vagabond142]

One of the things about aviation comms is that the ground will treat you the same as any other pilot. They respond to military flights, foreign flights, and even Cessna pilots with the same processional discourse. There is a great story about the SR-71 Blackbird doing a training flight and it’s know as “the speedcheck” where it was a Cessna, then a commercial jet, then a fighter jet, and finally the SR-71 checking with the same ground controller for their radar-returned SoG (Speed over the Ground). It’s hilarious, highly suggest you find it on KZbin and listen to the full story

[@busilein]

Thanks for the great content!!

[@aeternusdoleo4531]

Neither those pilots nor ATC are soldiers. It's a crappy situation but it seems all involved made the best of it.

[@HECTORFARRA]

Gander Center. Always involved in those moments that changed our world.

[@NicolaW72]

Yes. We´ve now days which are strongly remembering to what happened at 9/11.

[@sander8928]

Great compilation @VASAviation! Peace to the world.

[@shakey2634]

Hard to believe they had enough fuel for a reroute so large. Must have departed with full tanks in case this happened.

[@simonhutchings6256]

That was fascinating to listen too 👌

[@FBcruzz]

I was wondering what kind of videos you were going to post Victor. Though a sad time for humanity it is wonderful to see ATC and pilots maintaining the same professionalism as always. I think people accustomed to aviation policy and procedures could make the greatest leaders in other areas...like diplomacy, but eh, what do I know. Great vid, keep up the awesome work!!

[@Acvsdfe3245a]

this is precisely why i love this channel. thank you!

[@Leroys_Stuff]

Thank you for posting this

[@danholstein411]

Feeling proud that the Canadian controllers were so professional. Kudos to the Aeroflot pilots for keeping their cool in a stressful environment.

[@jameswoods7276]

Congrats Moncton and Gander center on a professional job well done! From YHZ.

[@fredpi8793]

Saturday 26/02 morning, I heard at Lisboa, pilot refusing take off clearance because runways was not vacated. Would love to see a video about that

[@cageordie]

Funny, that track shown goes over Nova Scotia and Cape Breton Island. Last time I drove up there they were still in Canada.

[@Markle2k]

They did coordinate with Gander. Presumably they got a waiver for those flights to cut the corner so that they could get home without endangering themselves.

[@sharkydiver3900]

Thank you for this. The people of Russia seem to not want this. I feel terrible for them much like I do for the Ukrainians.

[@jerseyshoredroneservices225]

You should feel worse for the ukrainians.

[@sharkydiver3900]

@Jersey Shore Drone Services Sorry if I gave the impression that I dont.... I do.

[@jerseyshoredroneservices225]

@@sharkydiver3900 👍

[@roger0929]

I would say that Putin has a very high approval rating among people actually living in Russia.

[@extraordinarilybasic3250]

How would you know, the West has locked down the internet are showing footage from 2014 and 2016 while calling it legit.

[@CraigH999]

Two Aeroflot flights claimed to be "humanitarian flights" to try and circumvent the NOTAM. They were still refused entry into Canadian airspace.

[@c0mbo]

If they deliver HUMANs they are humanitarian Change my mind

[@ronaldderooij1774]

@@c0mbo If the flights were humanitarian, passengers would not have to pay for their tickets.

[@c0mbo]

@@ronaldderooij1774 if they were not, Canadians would have to pay

[@AV8R_Surge]

I understand why the NOTAM, but also worry about any pilot caught in the middle of their flight with this restriction. Praying for their safety and their passengers. And praying for all the innocent victims of war regardless of side.

[@joshuahudson2170]

Declare fuel emergency. You will be allowed to land. (Note that this should not be used if the plane took off after the airspace ban was announced.)

[@eskinkc]

I would suspect that exceptions for caught out aircraft would be made by calling that number in the notam

[@joebaxter6895]

Yah, where did that aircraft come from that it had enough Fuel to go all the way back to Belarus from off Canadas east coast?

[@jeremyolsen]

@@joebaxter6895 It looks like the was a Punta Cana-Moscow flight

[@Peacewind152]

Highly professional. Well done on the crews and ATC for working together with respect, regardless of flags.

[@lihueczackis8380]

It’s sad for all parties involved. Impressed with the level of professionalism on both ends! Thank you for sharing

[@IANinALTONA]

I cannot help but feel sorry for the Russian crew. These pilots have been around and have seen the world. I am pretty sure the majority of them does not want to follow Putin into useless wars, just to turn the clock back to the times of the Tsar. They just wanna do their jobs and come home safely to their families.

[@stevenzucchi]

I feel more sorry for the crew of Malaysia flight 17!

[@IroAppe]

And probably most of them will now lose their jobs. That's the main thing why I am sorry for them. They are passionate about flying, and won't be able to do that as their living anymore. Domestic flights aren't going to substitute the market of before.

[@andreasu.3546]

@@IroAppe As long as the borders are open, could they take their russian ATPLs and apply for jobs in the West?

[@causticgroyper3915]

@@andreasu.3546 Only if they are gay or black.

[@ajcyrilldy]

@@causticgroyper3915 oh just get out of here man. Just can’t seem to take a break from racism even during times like this.

[@GKsGS400]

Planes in the air before the ban went into effect should have been able to fly their flight plans. Anyone still on the ground when it went into effect should have had their flight plans changed. Would have been a lot safer.

[@OryAlle]

Agreed, there was no need to do this to existing flights in progress.

[@NoTraceOfSense]

Afaik planes in the air were not affected, but many turned back because they wouldn’t be able to return once landing.

[@LunaStarFire]

The issue is more to do with that if they were to land, they wouldnt be able to leave

[@franticsledder]

It would be the reasonable thing to do. But western nations are not reasonable at the moment. And I'm not only talking about the governments.. people are nuts.

[@LunaStarFire]

@@franticsledder well to be fair from what i understand they could land, they just wouldnt be able to take off again

[@pederb82]

Norway closed its airspace for Russian planes just a few hours after this flight crossed it in the northern tip of Norway. It was declared the evening before it would be closed but was not in effect until 09.15 the morning of this flight. It passed over Norway a few hours earlier.

[@Mutineer9]

I wander, did Norway ban Americans flights when USA invaded Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Livia, or just yesterday bomb Somali?

[@russellthorburn9297]

@@Mutineer9 What I wonder is how one can honestly portray those situations as comparable.

[@Mutineer9]

@@russellthorburn9297 Ahh, I see killing 1 million Iraqis , country on other side of the world is ok. Protecting Russian near it borders is not.

[@ribstogo12]

@@Mutineer9 I wonder.. was the US unprovoked in those wars?

[@Mutineer9]

Absolutely unprovoked.

[@ravingcyclist624]

Thanks! Also, Putin has caused the destruction of the Antonov 225 ! A great tragedy!

[@NicolaW72]

Yes. The AN-225 was an heritage of mankind. Unbelievable that she is gone.

[@TheArchitectThatWas]

@@NicolaW72 Not only that but commonly worked on humanitarian missions, they fucked the entire world of it's help.

[@extraordinarilybasic3250]

Putin is responsible for all the bad things the West has been doing for decades, and just as it's about to come crashing down they get to blame it all on Russia and restart the cold war, and take more rights away from people, and show the world they will take your property and wealth whenever they feel like it. Lukewarm iq from most on this board.

[@iancarisi8342]

@@extraordinarilybasic3250 well said It's ok when done by the USA

[@fortusvictus8297]

I'm not really for any of this mess, however, it is pretty clear the 225 was damaged/scuttled as the Ukrainians were pushed out of the airport. There is actually video of the heli assault on that airport and they were trying to keep it intact to use it. Ukrainians put up a fight and a counterattack, attempting to retake it then to deny its use. Russian forces control it to this day I believe. I suppose its possible the Russian forces attacked that hanger, and only that hanger, as they were assaulting. But it's more likely it was hit as the Ukrainians were trying to disable the airport.

[@SimplySaamPilot]

These are some sad times. Great coordination between pilots and ATC.

[@davidpfol]

in the end are the civilians who have to suffer the consequences. Always the same shit.

[@villebooks]

Mad world. Hope, #Aeroflot will survive. Free competition in aviation is essential for the global connectivity and survival of us all. Thanks VASAviation for the informative ATC reports. #StopWar

[@LadyTarasque]

Oh I read about aeroflot 111 incident being investigated.. nice to hear the transmissions from that flight (though kindda sucks that most replies from the flights were garbled)

[@ticklefish4898]

*AFL111* MIA (Miami) to SVO (Moscow) departed 2:29pm est arrived 10:03am msk. Scheduled 10:27h 5723 miles Actual 11:34h 6176 miles Added: 1:07h. 453 miles *AFL157* PUJ (Dom Rep) to SVO (Moscow) departed. 3:19pm ast arrived 11:06am msk Scheduled. 10:03h. 5750 miles Actual. 12:47h. 6871 miles Added: 2:44h 1121 miles Edit: data quoted from FlightAware of these 2 flights flown on 2/27/2022. Both A350-900. Both subsequent flights cancelled per FlightAware.

[@wilc]

wow, I'm glad that had enough fuel for the trip. 157 added almost 20% to the planned distant.

[@EstorilEm]

@@wilc technically they shouldn’t have had the fuel to do this, it’s WAYY beyond their IFR diversion and reserves required. I’m guessing company told them something like this may happen, and they basically just topped them off so they could deal with whatever happened in the air. Not good for efficiency but cheaper than canceling / refunding an entire flight.

[@yinglish119]

I think you are quoting direct distance not filed distance. A350-900 should have 9000 mile range. They should be fine.

[@possiblepilotdeviation5791]

@@yinglish119 9000 mile range is completely full on departure which is rarely the case.

[@yinglish119]

@@possiblepilotdeviation5791 if you know you need to fly around all the closed airspace maybe you take extra fuel?

[@lt4324]

I used to love listening to "HF" Radio/ ARINC when I had my amateur radio station in operation, hooe to again soon. But loved listening to ALL HF ARINC radio on East coast AND West coast where I now live., listened in on the 3, 5, 8 MHZ bands Along with 11.175 Mhz Military ops. Heard some great stuff and lots of fun! Thanks for posting, KD6SBR

[@budgreen4x4]

I listened into the gulf war stuff myself, all the hf codes rolling across from the bombers

[@lt4324]

@@budgreen4x4 I miss that stuff, I have to at least put up some wires so I can listen in on HF radio Freq's. I have an SDR Play radio so maybe this weekend.Thanks for the update!

[@budgreen4x4]

@@lt4324 just dragged out my Drake r4b and looking to see what kinda wire I have. FYI, the small spools of mig welding wire are fairly cheap

[@lt4324]

@@budgreen4x4 Good to know! I had also used my "Magnet wire" I had 200 feet just laying around and is very thin BUT very strong and pretty hard to break and especially hard to see during the day. its basically the same as welding wire. It is actually up now but have not hooked up my SDR to it in about a year, everything is there just need to start buying another mast to get it up into the air and does not need to be that high. I am now listening to "ATC -LIVE" and never knew they had HF radio to listen to although they do not use the best antenna for HF, they are using an "Active Vertical' Antenna which is not the best. Thanks for the info, Tom in NV

[@budgreen4x4]

@@lt4324 my dad was a welder by trade, we used some .040 stainless mig wire to create a v beam with just under 400' per leg, it was an amazing wire antenna

[@mikedrop4421]

This "conflict" is no joke. It has too many Sudatenland circa 1938/39 vibes.

[@TheEDFLegacy]

Indeed.

[@thetalesofdaneandco]

Crimea should have been Sudatenland. Now Russia is up against the border, just like Germany was. Seems like Poland is always the front, very unfortunate.

[@TheEmeraldMenOfficial]

@@thetalesofdaneandco Crimea was the Ancshluss.

[@markmaki4460]

@@TheEmeraldMenOfficial Yes, this is a better simile.

[@thetalesofdaneandco]

@@TheEmeraldMenOfficial That makes sense.

[@michaelthacker6121]

So what are these flights supposed to do when it comes to fuel emergencies???

[@MajoradeMayhem]

They could declare an emergency and land. The usual rules go out of the window when you've declared Mayday.

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

Moncton Centre: Are you aware of the NOTAM R? Aeroflot: *Understandable, have a great day* Definitely "I missed the part where that's my problem" energy by not responding. And to those saying the pilots aren't at fault, they know EXACTLY what they are doing. Russia should know better than to have a plane in NATO airspace during a war that you started. There’s more to it than what's shown here. Aeroflot 111 was initially denied access to Canadian airspace but unilaterally deemed itself a “humanitarian flight” to force ATC to allow it to enter even though it wasn't.

[@hershey8394]

That's probably so frustrating for the pilots. Nice to see everyone is collegial.

[@d-sx560]

Fun cat fact: Cats can be left-pawed or right-pawed. Female cats tend to be right-pawed, while male cats are usually left pawed. Interestingly, left-handed humans also tend to be male.

[@johnminer1407]

My sister and wife are both left handed. No one else in either family.

[@commonsense31]

To be fair, they are just trying to do their job! And the general mood I pick up on is that Most Russian is very much against this invasion!

[@transmaster]

It is interesting how quickly the world united on this. I am so saddened that Russian missiles destroyed the Antonov An-225 Mriya. I had a flight alert set to notify me whenever this giant of the sky was flying.

[@vangarus]

Of course it is a russian missle, you have been there at the event right?

[@AaronShenghao]

Well that is it. The world only need that plane for very specific reasons. The An-225 probably will never get rebuilt, at least not the one we known of (twin tail version)

[@charlotteinnocent8752]

@@vangarus Everyone not being fed propaganda lies be russian media know the crimes putin is committing.

[@TheMightyHams]

@@vangarus To be fair you're right, I'm sure the Ukrainians shot down their own aircraft. Not like it's distinctive or has the Ukrainian national colours as it's livery.

[@LaggerSVK]

@@TheMightyHams and reportedly was sitting in hangar under planned repair without engines. Makes sense right?

[@blakefindlay1870]

Great professionalism on both ends! Nice to see politics isn't playing any roll in the communications

[@Mike7478F]

Great world reaction. Safe flying Aeroflot

[@uscustoms05]

The unfortunate part is 99.9% of the passengers and crew most likely have nothing to do with any of the politics driving the issues over seas

[@paulmoir4452]

Except that ultimately the people are responsible for their government; it is from them that they derive their power. I acknowlege that's a tough pill to swallow even in western countries.

[@tylerbrennon4023]

The Russian people voted for Putin; ultimately they are responsible for what he does.

[@bugjuicer]

That's tough for all the crew! Hope there's leniency for any mayday issues

[@MrKeserian]

My understanding is that Mayday calls bypass most flight restrictions, especially political ones like this. However, I suspect it's like how vessels are handled: they could land, but the aircraft might get detained by the host country until the isuue passes.

[@benash2954]

There will be. International law says that an aircraft in distress can do basically anything to get on the ground safely. Doesn't guarantee that your aircraft won't be impounded or seized once it's landed though.

[@thatguyalex2835]

That is a valid question. I was thinking the same thing, such as a low fuel emergency, hydraulic issue or an engine failure. At least there are measures in place to have an aircraft safely land in an emergency. :)

[@funkyalfonso]

bugjuicer I presumed that it would be the same as marine laws that assistance is always given to vessels in distress.

[@MrUranium238]

hope the pilots and crew get paid lodging

[@adaml2932]

I actually just found out about Gander a few months ago by a KZbin documentary. Interesting

[@cutzi]

If possible you can have a look for the flights su2300 and su7236 :)

[@KennyMacDermid]

The video says the routing avoided Canada, but the map shows a track directly over Nova Scotia... which is right?

[@gerardacronin334]

I believe they did enter Canadian airspace, which is why they needed the reminder to please leave ASAP.

[@2011blueman]

LMAO, that routing is pretty special, even with the curvature of the earth that has to add hours to the flight.

[@robsmithracing]

There are Aeroflot planes sat on the tarmac at Gatwick Airport in the UK, I guess unable to use British airspace to fly back.

[@eldermartins130]

I always though how ATCs would manage such a large ban. Even though it's good for nobody, they handle it with professionalism

[@jayerjavec]

Let's keep commenting professional and with the topic. Thank you, appreciate it.

[@C2K777]

Okay Mom 🤣

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

This aircraft was flying in Canadian airspace, it wasn’t refused entry. I would guess that as they were already in Canada when the ban was imposed that they were given permission to fly home.

[@The1stImmortal]

Controlled airspace and territorial airspace are different things

[@zinussan50]

This is professional way of saying "we don't want be your friend. Go somewhere else"

[@ccudmore]

There’s more to the story than what’s in this video. Aeroflot 111 was initially denied access to Canadian airspace but unilaterally deemed itself a “humanitarian flight” which forced ATC to grant it access no questions asked. (Source CTV news)

[@casey6556]

Yep. Definitely a much more sketchy situation than this video implies.

[@flowablesysadmin8068]

Even this route wouldn't be possible anymore. After several countries already did, now the EU and Switzerland (don't know about Island and Norway) have banned all traffic for aircrafts belonging Russian entities/persons, registered in Russia, operated by Russian entities/persons or otherwise under control of Russian entities/persons.

[@vangarus]

Russia also closed their airspace for all of EU, Canada and others

[@flowablesysadmin8068]

@@vangarus Yes - but most of that airlines have stopped flying in or over Russia before anyway. It's like Putin would forbid Aeroflot now to fly to Canada :-D

[@vangarus]

@@flowablesysadmin8068 you are right I don't dispute this

[@anderslarsen1321]

You are right, Norway closed its airspace from russian planes at 09.15 this morning local time. This flight happened before that, so no airspace violation.

[@landersen8173]

They have flown over Greenland 3 times after the ban in danish airspace.

[@tristanallain1483]

I feel bad for the pilots, it's the right thing to do to shut down the airspace to Russia, but the pilots mean no harm and I'm sure they don't want this war either.

[@IzzyOnTheMove]

I feel sorry for the passengers. They have nothing to do with this and will have their lives affected.

[@StratMatt777]

@@IzzyOnTheMove I feel bad about murdered Ukrainians.

[@lemonandgaming6013]

@@StratMatt777 the passengers of this plane arent the ones killing the ukrainians, and many russians are against the war

[@StratMatt777]

@@lemonandgaming6013 I am aware of that. It may be that you are not familiar with how sanctions work... And that's okay. You can learn about it on the internet.

[@lemonandgaming6013]

@@StratMatt777 look you didn't exactly specify what might be wrong / ignorant with my statement. that doesn't make sense. so I have to guess! yes Ukrainians are being murdered and we need to pressure Putin somehow. I support the sanctions. Unfortunately though this pressuring damages an economy that feeds millions of innocent. sure if you weigh a potential end to the war against some economic damage it's worth it but I feel like this was a point worth mentioning

[@dw31415]

Love the professionalism: Confirm NOTAM R

[@thatguy6207]

Most of the planes… bombers… don’t use transponders or ATC. Not a good place to fly right now.

[@teasichinava]

Stop the war!

[@vangarus]

Tell this to the ukranian Nazis that killed hundreds of children in Donbass and over 13000 cilivians since 2014 and now are killing own civilians. Where have you been these 8 years with your "stop the war"?

[@cageordie]

@@vangarus This is not the place for your propaganda.

[@evangelgreek6864]

@@cageordie kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKOwmoaHdqyCiZY

[@vangarus]

@@cageordie is it the place for yours? Censorship, ouch. So others should shut up? Ah yes, it is called "democracy" 😂 We also want this to stop faster, but too many nazis to clean up and no sanctions will stop the cleaning. Cheers

[@janvisser4132]

@@vangarus The Ukranian president is a jew, how stupid are you to think they are Nazis. Russia has been fueling that rebellion since 2014, and illegally taken the Crimea from Ukraine. Nobody in Ukraine wants this war. I am not saying all the russians do, but Putin and the people that support him do. They just want to keep their repressive regime alive, and will do anything to achieve that. If there is one person resembling the powerhungry dictator Hitler in this ordeal it's Putin himself. We don't want to hurt the Russian people, we just want this madness to stop, and the only way to do that is to stop Putin. We can't do that directly, so we will have to get the Russian people to do that, he is their leader. That's why we have to pressure them with sanctions.

[@Fieldsonyoutube]

I'm kind of wondering if Aeroflot flight was short of fuel, would it be able to fuel up and then head back to Russia or if the plane would had been impounded.

[@oscarcan-ammotocicletta148]

I think if its really a emergency with low fuel or they would not get anywhere else, they will surely have the permission to land

[@braygun44]

@@oscarcan-ammotocicletta148 NOTAMR specifically allows emergency aircraft in

[@BlazinVoid59]

From my understanding they could land in the case of an emergency, but they wouldn't be able to take off until the restrictions are lifted

[@hippodroid7005]

I'm surprised the Canadians didn't apologize more than they did...

[@ninny65]

I don't see how having a no fly zone for commercial flights going over your country is in anyway useful to stopping the war effort

[@waifupatter4193]

It's about making the people suffer for the sake of it

[@mightyoaks9331]

Having access to Canadian airspace is a curtesy Canada extends to airlines from countries that have normal diplomatic relationships with the Canada. Russia does not at this point. It send a message and limits their ability to access western parts, skills and resources.

[@PilotBlogDenys]

Great! ✈️👍

[@oliver_klozoff]

Hope you get back in the air soon as well!

[@NicolaW72]

Yes. My very best hopes and wishes to you and your country!

[@SwordQuake2]

Are there any other recordings of Russian planes being sent back?

[@AVTWill]

One got turned around mid flight earlier today think to New York

[@maxxiong]

@@AVTWill Obviously this can't happen now, but what would have happened if AF157 had an emergency while going around Canada? And does ETOPS take into account airspace bans?

[@AVTWill]

@@maxxiong emergency situations are handled on a individual basis call depending on what type of plane AF157 the ETOPS would vary. It’s a game of what ifs. Nobody will really know until it happens

[@NicolaW72]

@@AVTWill Some Russian planes are stuck in Western Europe: from Aeroflot an A 320 in Amsterdam (Netherlands), an A 320 in Munich (Germany) and an A 321 in Geneva (Switzerland). From Air Bridge Cargo a B 747-8 Freighter and from Atran a B 737-400 Freighter, both in Milano (Italy) and from Volga Dnepr Airlines three AN-124 Freighter in Leipzig (Germany). And yes, it was a 777 of Aeroflot, designated to New York, who turned around while flying over Greenland and who flew back to Moscow.

[@IzzyOnTheMove]

Punishing passengers for Putin's actions. Not the answer. Imagine being en route to see a dying relative, for a life-saving operation etc... and being turned around.

[@kaleckton]

Man that last bit of the routing map is insane. I would not want to be a pilot for that if I was a pilot. Trucking good enough for me

[@vikkimcdonough6153]

I'm curious why the authorities didn't exempt flights that were already in the air at the time NOTAM R was issued? Many of those might not've had enough fuel to divert to another country while staying outside Canadian airspace the whole time (for instance, flights from Russia over the pole to destinations in the Midwestern U.S., which'd otherwise've flown down across the middle of Canada into the U.S., would've had to circle all the way around the side of Canada, taking a much more circuitous route that could easily add many hours to their flight time).

[@JayMaverick]

I hope there's at least one oligarch aboard these flights whose day was ruined by this.

[@sicfrynut]

fat boy in the northern korea area is since no one is paying any mind to his silly launch tests now.

[@elgavilan2000]

Thank you for translating this from Canadian to English for us. Original transcript: - “Hey buddeh, you can’t fly into Canadian airspace, guy!” - “Oh, sorry fwiend, what heading should I take, buddeh?” - “You gotta go way up north guy, until you’re completely outside of Canada, fwiend.” - “Oh come on, buddeh, that’s gonna take aboot 5 additional hours, guy!” - “I’m sorry fwiend, that’s the new policy, buddeh.”

[@MarcDufresneosorusrex]

😁

[@kam2894]

😂

[@EastCoastJeepSRT]

I hate that so many innocent people are caught up in one man’s quest for more territory. It’s insanity. We are all humans! We should all consider one another brothers and sisters, not wanna kill each other over dirt. Literally dirt.

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

Odd that they could go over the southeast Greenland. For one it’s in the kingdom of Denmark and there’s an American air force base in Thule in the northern Greenland.

[@svpracer98]

Feel like everything since 2019 has been set alight and tossed into a tumble dryer

[@tieoneon5240]

sv: you could start from day 1 and be correct

[@NicolaW72]

Yes.

[@svpracer98]

@@tieoneon5240 the more I think about this, the more I realize how true that point is...

[@tieoneon5240]

@@svpracer98 yeah...the current crop of mini dictators want to go to THEIR point-in-time to show the ills but you go backkkk and africa the cradle of civilization had its plantations >>haters etc and good people too take care

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

Now Aeroflot will know what it's like to not even be able to fly to Canada it's a shame so many countries ban our beloved Air Koryo. They're just jealous they don't have a five-star airline

[@6680thSOG]

This is very sad. There are many Russians, and people of Russian heritage, and hundreds of thousands of innocent, non aligned or frankly people who dont care now being put in the middle, and lives being put at risk for nothing more than politcal posturing and virtue signaling. Bravo to the professionals in the air and on the ground doing their best because of our worst.

[@Etherion195]

Among all the things that others have said here, I'm much more impressed that both parties could even understand, what the other was saying. Even with written text, I couldn't hear some of the things that were written in the text. How both parties understand each other well is beyond me.

[@Etherion195]

@Mr. Cool thanks for the info. I've never actually used any of such communications, so i didn't know.

[@johngiddens5442]

Why the heck is USA still allowing Russian aircraft? Banned in Canada, UK and Europe but they can still fly round and use US airspace. Come on USA, get with the programme, and help Ukraine.

[@markdoldon8852]

The US isn't allowing Russian aircraft, but no planes are placed in danger, if they have fuel issues they can be accommodated.

[@johngiddens5442]

@@markdoldon8852 So I depart Moscow for USA knowing I will have a “Fuel Issue” by time I reach Gander FIR, bingo (pun intended) I will be allowed in? Is that USA’s idea of tough sanctions?

[@vk2ig]

@@johngiddens5442 US airspace will be closed to Russian aircraft by the end of Wednesday. Come on, get with the program!

[@TheEDFLegacy]

Well that seems really inconvenient. I mean, I'm not opposed to what my government is doing... But I hope they gave Airline sufficient notice so that way they could plan in advance for it.

[@bcdm999]

We gave them more notice than they gave the Ukrainians of a full-scale invasion

[@evangelgreek6864]

@@bcdm999 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKOwmoaHdqyCiZY

[@FiltyIncognito]

@@bcdm999 it's more complicated than just 'we' vs 'them'. There are more than just a few russians who disagree with the war and want nothing to do with it. Probably most people involved with those flights that are being rerouted that their country just chills the f out so they can just do their job in peace.

[@Bizness10]

That's what a NOTAM is. As a pilot it is your duty to read them. [Notice to Air Missions]

[@flowablesysadmin8068]

@@Bizness10 I think "The Legacy"s question was more about the time between the release of the NOTAM and the time it taking effect. It's not impossible that you're already midair when the NOTAM is getting out and by the time you're likely to hit the FIR-border you're not longer allowed to enter.

[@ediamond23]

The way he said "three" at 1:27

[@pooletrainboy]

Does this mean Aeroflot are getting Canadian traffic services for free? Because if they are not overflying then no overflight fees?

[@hscollier]

Quite a contrast to Russia (Putin) shooting down the KLM flight the last time they attacked Ukraine’s “restricted airspace”.

[@Mutineer9]

Quite a contrast when USA shot down Iranian passages plane.

[@vk2ig]

@@Mutineer9 Or when the USSR shot down KAL-007.

[@MichaelSteeves]

I think this is a case of the aircrew wanting to get home and, it being Canada, believing that it was easier to get forgiveness than permission. ATC understood.

[@neilwilson5785]

A wild ride.

[@borisglevrk]

3:20 Man it's an art to pronounce "Oscar" like "vodka".

[@nerysghemor5781]

I am not a pilot so I didn’t understand enough to know, what was done so these pilots could get fuel to either turn back or go to an airport that was still open at the time? I can’t imagine anyone would have considered putting them and all their passengers in an unsafe situation.

[@sunnyyan1080]

Aeroflot and/or the pilots would have anticipated this closure and would probably have taken extra fuel. Even if they didn't, these flights probably would still have enough fuel for ~11 hours, which would be plenty for finding an airport en-route. Also, no country would let a plane run out of fuel like that. As seen in the video, there was a number the airline could call to ask for an exemption. Apparently AFL111 seen at the start of this video was granted an exemption.

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

This aircraft was flying back to Russia, it was flying in Canadian airspace on a fairly normal route

[@nerysghemor5781]

@@user-gy8be9cf7i I said I couldn’t imagine anyone would have considered placing them in an unsafe situation, hence the assumption they had some way to deal with it even if I didn’t know what that way was.

[@youcanpunchmeintheface]

Imagine how frustrating it'd be being common Russians who have nothing to do with politic and war but still inconvenienced because of the Putin's action

[@MarcoMazziniYT]

You mean Trudeau's action.

[@vangarus]

"common" russians are not traveling to North America)

[@MarcoMazziniYT]

@@vangarus The fuck are you talking about?

[@Island_Line_Rail_Productions]

@@vangarus wtf?

[@DTXBrian]

@@MarcoMazziniYT He didn't stutter. Putin is the cause of this. That's why dozens of countries now have banned Russia from airspace rights, not just Canada. Furthermore, Russia is not a signatory of the IASTA, and Putin could have changed that. Stop caping for megalomaniacal despots.

[@BoomerKeith1]

The professional interaction between all parties is a perfect example of how decisions by a select few 'leaders' affect so many normal, every day people. I truly feel for the Russian people as this isn't their war. My heart is with those in Ukraine fighting for their home.

[@Hayabusa-lo6bc]

Greetings from Poland :))