Russian Cases - Taming the Genitive Plural (II)

The story of Jacques the cheese smuggler helps us to remember which nouns fall into group II of nouns in the genitive plural.
Note that the tutorial does not mention that nouns in -ья, and soft neuters like поле, also end in -ей in the genitive plural (семья - семей, свинья - свиней, поле - полей). I'll have to work a family of pigs in a field into the story of Jacques in an update.
If you have your own mnemonic device for remembering this group, please feel free to share in the comments!

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[@russiangrammar]

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[@akhi2990]

Now that is a genius way to explai that. Appreciated

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For the better, I hope? ;)

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[@mohammedemad188]

I will never ever forget that story , I mean sorry that letters .. I can't thank you enough :)

[@russiangrammar]

Thanks - this silly stuff can be remarkably effective! I've used this story with 1st-year students... and 2 years later, when they're in 3rd year and happen to get an ending wrong, I'd ask "And what kind of cheese did Jacques ship?" and they would grin and get it right. :)

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[@timssprachbox]

Absolutely gorgeous. And no, it's not silly at all! Genius. 🌄

[@russiangrammar]

Спасибо!

[@cowboyyoga]

Great video ! Thank you )))

[@LiveRussian]

I wanted to add some other words that would take the ending -ЕЙ, but don't end with the soft sign or shushing consonant: ДРУЗЬЯ - ДРУЗЕЙ, СЫНОВЬЯ - СЫНОВЕЙ. + ПОЛЯ and МОРЯ are exceptions as well (ПОЛЕЙ, МОРЕЙ). That's interesting because words like БРАТЬЯ or ДЕРЕВЬЯ, СТУЛЬЯ, ЛИСТЬЯ behave otherwise: БРАТЬЕВ, ДЕРЕВЬЕВ, СТУЛЬЕВ, ЛИСТЬЕВ.

[@LiveRussian]

Ah, you covered this in your video about exceptions) but it's good to repeat anyway))) ahaha

[@russiangrammar]

Yes, it had been bothering me that I hadn't mentioned the exceptions that you bring up, thanks! And of course there are more (сосед > gen. pl. соседей), but best not to do them all in first-year Russian...

[@LiveRussian]

I agree Curt. We should give the grammar in portions students are able to "digest".))

[@LiveRussian]

Haha, sorry if I misspelled your name)

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[@nicolasfauvel5934]

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[@tovincentchia]

Helpful. большое спасибо

[@mushi9766]

Brilliant

[@SNVampyre]

Тётя в родительном падеже множественного числа будет "тёть", например "у меня нет тёть". По крайней мере именно так сейчас говорят в России. Возможно когда-то было иначе, язык постоянно меняется.

[@russiangrammar]

SNVampyre Интересно, SNVampyre, спасибо. В некоторых учебниках есть только форма "тётей", в одном более новом (John Dunn, Shamil Khairov) есть и "тёть" и "тётей". На сайте gramota.ru тоже есть обе формы (www.gramota.ru/slovari/dic/?all=x&word=%25F2%25E5%25F2%25FF). Действительно, язык постоянно меняется.

[@russiangrammar]

SNVampyre A note in English: SNVampyre points out that Russian does change, and that you'll often hear the genitive plural form тёть. It's interesting to plug "тетей,теть" into Google's ngramviewer at books.google.com/ngrams (be sure the choose the Russian corpus!) to see how the two forms have coexisted/competed over time.

[@polyanagula]

+SNVampyre и носители языка что-то новое узнают! никогда не слышала формы "тетей" и "дядей" для род.п. мн.ч. Знаю только "теть" и "дядь", еще для последнего - более редкую "дядьёв". буду иметь ввиду формы на -ей.

[@robert_wigh]

You may want to create an annotation saying that _тётей_ is the most used form but that _тёть_ is also used.

[@Afdch]

If anyone asked me to say something about plural of тётя, I would say a plural of тётка instead, i.e. "тёток". Both "тёть" and "тётей" sounds alien to me as a genitive plural. Тёть sounds fine as a vocative and Тётей as a instrumental case of a singular form. This is really wonderful to see something like that.

[@carlschuette4460]

Why don't we just throw -e into this mnemonic instead of teaching nouns like More as an exception later?

[@russiangrammar]

(Just now saw this) The problem there would be that we'd still need to account for nouns ending in a vowel sound, that fall in the first group: здание - зданий, like нация - наций. There's no getting around that there will a few random exceptions, like платье - платьев, too. :(

[@herrwabbaloo937]

Would this work with the Monty Python “cheese shop” sketch?

[@spartanscythian7148]

Жacques шips ь Engliщ чееse. Ей. Got it! 😃😄👍

[@russiangrammar]

Well that turned my brain a bit sideways, but I like it! 😆 Or here's another way: ... Engliщeese чeap.