Russians: about the holodomor

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🇷🇺🇺🇸 Comment by the Russian Embassy in the United States We have noticed the statements made by representatives of the Administration regarding so-called "Holodomor". Once again, the United States is promoting the false thesis that the Soviet leadership allegedly deliberately and purposefully “starved” millions of Ukrainians. Such interpretation of the events of the 1930s fundamentally distorts history. And comment by 1420: 🏆 Join the BlancVPN - it protects your privacy on the Internet: blancvpn.deals/1420

[@dassboards5653]

Bydlo nation has Embassy in US. Why?

[@djanitatiana]

Who controls the past,’ ran the Party slogan, ‘controls the future: who controls the present controls the past

[@thrzal]

@@dassboards5653 Oh, you're talking about the USA. I didn’t immediately understand when I remembered how many millions of Indians the Americans killed in their country and the fact that they are now being kept on reservations.

[@williamzk9083]

The period of glasnost and perestroika opened up a lot of information. 1 Lenin repeatedly Order the Execution of batches of 10,000 to20,000 Small Ukrainian Farmers (8-20 employees) called Kulacks. They weren't guilty of any specifric crime he just didn't like these farmers as a class of people. 2 Stalin Continued the Mass Murders. 3 Farms were collectivized under Kolkoz and Sovkoz. These were extremely inefficient and had low productivity and were generally incompetently run. 4 Some peasants were allowed to run small plots of land and some had retained land. 5 Food was confiscated from Ukraine leading to the deaths of 4 million Ukrainians in Ukraine and another 600,000 Ukrainians in Kazakhstan on top of 1 million kazahaks. 6 The food was not just exported to Moscow but exported to earn foreign exchange to drive Stalin's Industrialization plans. 7 Stashes of survival grain were confiscated by Torture. The "Cold Method" involved stripping the women (an act of terror) and making them walks in the snow till they or their men revealed hidden grains. The Hot method involved dousing the hem of the skirt in petrol and igniting it. 8 Moscow was in control of Ukraine. Russia had yet again taken Ukrainians short lived 1919 independence away from it. 9 Moscow had banned the teaching of Ukrainians until 1905. Programs of Russification existed and immigration/emigration was used to dilute.

[@thrzal]

@@williamzk9083 Забавно, в начале 30ых, председателя колхоза (дядя моего папы) тоже расстреляли, а он не казах и не украинец был, а русский, живший в КБР. Трагедия была, но смешно, как украинцы её приватизируют и считают, что эта беда исключительно произошла лишь с украинцами....

[@VilkatisJanis]

Imagine if Germans when asked about hitler and holocoust, answered that it was all well and right, because there was discipline..

[@schrodingerskatze2162]

Nope. We have evidence for one and no evidence for the other. That's why it's different. N'zis literally created H0lodomor.

[@VilkatisJanis]

@@schrodingerskatze2162 what?

[@schrodingerskatze2162]

​@@VilkatisJanisMy comments explaining point by point are being deleted. I'm going to the root of this misinformation but it keeps getting censored. I will try to edit this comment later in order to add information. The famine did happen. But it was not the way this is being told at all.

[@matheusaguiar6382]

The Dust Bowl happened in America. The early 30s were a period of heavy drought in the whole World. The National Mitigation of Droughts of the US extensively wrote about this. @@VilkatisJanis

[@VilkatisJanis]

@@schrodingerskatze2162 got it.. everyone dumb, except you, cause russia never wrong.

[@zenobiapalmyra8931]

Stalin was a different Hitler, he just were never judged for his actions. And the biggest Problem is, that Putin is a fanboy of him.

[@plveuk813]

Stalin was nothing like Hitler. Nazi Germany was the continuation of Bismark's legacy for a greater Germanic Reich, while Stalin's USSR was a spearhead for 3rd worldism and worldwide communist revolution.

[@user-lr8vi4gb1e]

Putin is anticommunist and conservative.

[@plveuk813]

​@user-lr8vi4gb1e No. Putin is a 3rd worldist neo-marxist who aligns with anti-western and socialist states.

[@user-lr8vi4gb1e]

@@plveuk813 You just haven't heard his statements about communism and related events. And the support of anti-Western countries does not mean the presence of neo-Marxism.

[@navynavy1449]

We have, even nowadays, spirit of Stalin in the UN. Russia as a permanent member in Security Council with the right to veto anything was forced to be implemented into the Charter of the United Nations by soviet dictator the devil himself. Thats why UN cannot do sh|t..

[@subfreakuent]

Imagine Germans being asked about their opinion about the millions that starved to death in concentration camps and their answer would be: "What happened is what happened. It could have been worse..." These old people have had their brains washed so hard they forgot that they have a heart.

[@Pulsakowski]

Good observation

[@katerynarusakova6176]

They are not brainwashed. This is essentially who they are. Explore Russian history. Russians were always like that. The old Russians saying: “ We don’t want to live better. We want everyone around live worse than us.” And this is what they are doing…

[@fr3ddyfr3sh]

Sadly, you will definitely find these kind of people. And as a German in his late 30s, i fear that it is somewhere between 20-30%. A common (30%) opinion is: why should i care, i didn’t do it, and it happened so long ago.

[@J--12]

@@fr3ddyfr3sh And you would be right to say it, no one should feel guilt for something his ancestors allegedly did century ago.

[@pravak6745]

Soon, what will happen to Russia will happen, but it absolutely will happen as a result of the attitudes and statements you hear in this video which are not isolated but rather representative of the psychology of Russian society. In psychological terms Russia is the narcissist nation - never taking responsibility, playing the victim while being the bully, gas lighting, manipulative, completely lacking empathy, and ignoring reality.

[@lidiyaivannikova5464]

The wickedness and immorality of a human being that desires death of another through starvation, or some who said that causing death by starvation is a necessary measure with a grin on their face, is shockingly absurd! Where did people loose their values, conscience, and virtues? 😟😟

[@user-qj5dj5hk1y]

Famine has always been a social disaster , the result of natural disasters . There was a tragedy in the USSR that was inherited from tsarist Russia .

[@LRRPFco52]

The Mongols raped whatever human values Russia had before out of them, and did it for 250 years. They never recovered from the devilry delivered to them in those times, and dealt it back to all their neighbors throughout history since.

[@dmytroaugust5314]

This is Russia. The value of human life tends to zero

[@Borubar_de_San_Escobar]

You're trying to use the measures of the West. This is a mistake. Russia borrowed the concepts of law, public authority and human rights from the Mongols.

[@antoinepetrov]

Russians never had those values, so they haven't lost them

[@JariMattiK]

We Finns know Stalin very well.. But Putin is not better than him

[@thelma-7777]

What is "Finns"?

[@zeno9439]

finnish people of Finland@@thelma-7777

[@schrodingerskatze2162]

Comments are being deleted if they go t the root of the false information. Where's the free Speech this channel claims to believe in? We are going to evidence that can be verified.

[@tylerelissa6377]

@@thelma-7777Finns as in shark fin

[@user-ee9dl2yq1e]

Ну ещё-бы). Если-бы не бывший российский царский офицер, швед по национальности Маннергейм, Финляндия так легко-бы не отделалась). Что такое финны в Петрозаводске тоже хорошо помнят.

[@aslan_kz_97]

It’s a pity that many people don’t know about the famine in Kazakhstan. There was famine not only in the 30s, but in the 20s. Kazakhs lost 50% of their population.

[@NeblogaiLT]

Hopefully this will soon get more attention, now that Kazakhstan is opening access to Soviet archives.

[@maestro6458]

There could not be a hunger in Kazakhstan because Kazakhstan first appeared in 1936.

[@carelgoodheir692]

@@maestro6458 You're right. How could there have been people living in the area before Kazakhstan arose? There could therefore have been no famine as there was no-one there who could have starved.

[@wolfgangemmerich7552]

@@carelgoodheir692 Notice : Kazakhstan was the ussr`s nuklear & biological proving ground ..... a open air laboratory incl. its peoples!

[@Gopferteckel]

@@wolfgangemmerich7552The polygon. Maybe not many people know about it.

[@barryhamm3414]

I am uncertain who are the most evil; those that caused this wholly unnecessary disaster or those who deny its occurrence.

[@andreaswiklund7197]

Those who caused it. I’m not defending denialism but these are ordinary folks with let’s say, less than stellar education in history.

[@user-uk6de1wq2c]

Interesting cases! It is really impossible to deny the Holodomor. It was a crime of the Bolshevik Party led by Stalin. Eastern Ukraine suffered the most. But now Ukrainians blame for this certainly Russian and entire Russia as a state, consciously forgetting that millions of Russians also suffered from the Holodomor both in Ukraine and in Russia, as well as in Kazakhstan. Russians, for their part, may well recall to Ukrainians the fact that it was people born in villages and cities of Eastern Ukraine who were the mainstay of the Stalinist regime in the army and the NKVD, the main contingent of guards in the GULAG. But I have never met Russians who would blame Ukrainians for this. This is such a primitive, deceitful, hypocritical, anti-Russian propaganda of double standards.

[@Milka_Kuz]

@@andreaswiklund7197 You do not need to have education to know that war is bad. Lack of decision is also a decision.

[@victorhopper6774]

@@user-uk6de1wq2c what you miss is that the starving was done because the food was shipped away from these areas by force. very much like how the irish starved while under british rule. just what happens when evil gets in power. it is what it is. even the good rulers become corrupted after enough time.

[@OpenmindedSourceClosedBeta]

Imho: Those who caused it. Because those who deny it have a theoretical chance of not making a new one possible. But if it were to happen again, the guilt of the deniers would be added to the atrocity. A kind of diabolic gamble for the deniers. Either way, both remain dishonorable. (Of course, it is better to deal with the story as honestly as possible before making a statement).

[@Rob-metoo527]

The last guy was just completely insane.

[@karwoski91]

There wasn't a planned genocide: 1) There was typhus epidemic, 2) A civil war which led the kulaks to sabotaged their own harvest and killed their own cattle, 3) William Randolph Hearst printed the first article using pictures from 22' famine and later nazi used the same pics over and over as propaganda

[@AngloSaks666]

Aleksandr thinks that forbidding people to seek a place where they can find work and food is one of those 'necessary restrictions', so that people in those other regions didn't find out about their suffering, for the sake of their 'not feeling bad', while, all the same he says 'he's not into reppressions and restrictions'. But to be forced into starvation in their millions for the peace of mind of the 'other regions', that's OK. Mad.

[@rempseaheinamies9414]

Russian mental gymnastics never cease to amaze.

[@malkontentniepoprawny6885]

Not only mad, this is inhumane, it shows the scale of demoralization of Russian society.

[@micindir4213]

It's just using 5 year old psyche of average Russian. If you deny food to someone, he might die "of natural causes". You, the perpetrator, have no sin on you, as you just deny access. You, just as some guy pouring zyklon b into chamber.

[@larzkruber822]

Last guy is mindblowing How can you be enemy of the people, if you are the people?

[@user-ng6wc4xr2l]

Народ In the Russian language, people are completely different words

[@maciekszymanski8340]

The "enemy of the people (nation)" is a verbal master key, which can mean anyone whom the authorities fear or simply don't like. In this case, they were individual farmers who did not want to give up their land and create collective farms.

[@Borubar_de_San_Escobar]

Orwell: 1984 ...

[@renemagritte8237]

Everybody can become enemy of the people if there is only one person who decides who deserves to be called one. And enough servile cowards ready to believe what they are said. support the narrative as well as enough manipulated people ready to believe what is safe to believe. The great terror was a tragedy but it can appear everywhere in the world, Russia (rebranded as Soviet Union at the time) was a place of giant social experiment. An experiment where life of an individual was depraved of value and actually worthless. It is a tragedy that many contemporary Russians accept those events as an unavoidable necessity instead to condemn what happened then.

[@squeakycleannnn]

Don't be naive, stalin had a good idea how to control his sheep and protect his regime at the same time. Enemy of the people was the name of the game.

[@PerryCuda]

Imagine being asked on camera - "Do you know about ____， a US historical event" and then accusing the interviewer of "provocation."

[@peterwulff469]

- yes, that old man was particularly unpleasant...

[@edthebumblingfool]

most of them are@@peterwulff469

[@carelgoodheir692]

I can imagine it quite easily. Ask about slavery or the Confederacy in the wrong place and it might well be viewed as provocative.

[@wookie2222]

@@carelgoodheir692 Sure, but I'd say that this guy wasn't somewhere in a village 100 miles from Moscow, but in a dense populated urban area in some city.

[@MrPesto-gy2lt]

@@justaguy-69 What is fascist about them in particular?

[@HerrKarliseppel]

The first older guy shows in his reaction that he know whats happened

[@guidobolke5618]

After all these year those old russians still have no idea what world they lived in. So tragic.

[@panroman4817]

They know, they all lie

[@WangAiHua]

@@panroman4817 Exactly true--I also thought that they were just ignorant---But you are correct--They ALL know, but have made a Faustian bargain!--To sell their souls!

[@adamkowalski2042]

@@panroman4817 Exactly.

[@kirkshairpiece6741]

These people are willfully ignorant of the evil of their forefathers.

[@vonmuller7007]

Ukraine has monopolised the disaster that was a famine and rebranded it to the holodomor to be their own holocaust. The famine struck from Ukraine through southern Russia and into Kazakhstan. No one of course talks about the Russians and Kazakhs who died. The Ukrainian narrative that the famine was directed against Ukrainians holds no water and is Ukrainian myth making. Ukraine is a nation borne out of hatred and the hatred is killing Ukraine right now.

[@bsod111]

their forefathers most likely were russian peasants that could be victims of Holodomor with a big chance, if they were from Southern Russia

[@micindir4213]

In Russia you are either in prison, or a prison guard. Prisoners did not procreate. Get it?

[@simplicitas5113]

Many of their forefathers starved to death under Stalin or lie slain in foregin countries, but what do they know or care

[@AngloSaks666]

There is such astounding shallowness in some people.

[@Fastbikkel]

Honestly, Russia feels like a lost country.

[@stevejhkhfda]

the problem is they have a dictator with nuclear weapons, and a society of brain washed citizens with delusions of grandeur about their state.

[@petervlcko4858]

It is. They like it like that. And even so you are Russian if you have opinions in Russia you are enemy of the people. Problem is in general population who think like this. If you have not been in post socialistic countries long enough you don’t know but this stupidity is widespread phenomenon. That is the reason I am not living in Slovakia last 14 years. You can not win their hearts, minds, nothing they will just wait until you complete burn out. Whole population think in core like mafia. Crazy isn’t it? I know my experiences well. I felt like in prison all my life before I went away.

[@Solevoiii]

In 10 years your country will be assimilated by the Arabs, should you really care about the fate of Russia?

[@squeakycleannnn]

That was my first thought when russian boots stepped on ukrainian soil february last year. They done.

[@dmitriyalaasniy8442]

​@@squeakycleannnnis usa also a lost country? Because they invaded a lot of countries in 21 century? Or its doesn't count?😅

[@osobaprywatna2955]

1:51 Roman "There were mistake" - Calling the deaths of 20 million people "mistakes" is the quintessential russian way of thinking.

[@haanjamiis]

And that was only one example of those "mistakes". There was plenty more.

[@victorhopper6774]

central planning

[@WangAiHua]

@@victorhopper6774 Excuses? The Holodomor was an artificially created famine specifically targeting specific areas where mostly Ukrainians lived! Ukrainians did not just live in Ukraine but also in Kuban', the Volga region and northern Kazakhstan. Stalin had the NKVD go and search all of the houses to remove and or destroy anything edible that they could find! Grain was PURPOSEFULLY dumped on the world market causing a price drop. Humanitarian aid from other countries was REFUSED! Grain in silos was GUARDED and left to ROT! Do you also deny the Holocaust? (central planning?)--YOU are SICK and TWISTED! BTW: Hitler and Stalin were allies when they BOTH attacked Poland in 1939 to start WW2.

[@maksim05makarov]

*110

[@medalist6455]

when a typical western way of thinking - after watching one short soc survey video, consider yourself an expert on this topic?

[@steveanquetil501]

Russia is the perfect case study for western psychology students about the effectiveness of brain washing. Baa Baaaaa Baa.

[@peterwulff469]

"Russia is the perfect case study for western psychology students about the effectiveness of brain washing" - at least 80% of Western students are brainwashed.

[@theiska2508]

Well there are plenty of trump supporters out there too for a similar study.

[@doncarlodivargas5497]

Russia is the perfect case study for wanna-be tyrants, they have the easiest job in the world, people are scarinly indifferent to other peoples suffering, this make me sick

[@LordAlucard974]

@@theiska2508and plenty of Biden supporters as well. Both sides have their zombies

[@justaguy-69]

the democrats and mainstream media in the USA is doing the same type of brainwashing today, even still as their country falls apart many still support the destructive policies of the democrats because of brainwashing and media lies. i recently saw where their govt released the true videos of the so called "insurgency" on their capitol building and it revealed it all as a farce put out by democrats and media, even with this proof many refuse to face the truth.😵‍💫 the whole free world weeps for our american friends right now. even our news we can see whats happening there.😭

[@franzschubertv2874]

It is sad how just asking someone’s opinion of historical events is a “provocation”.

[@alexeyigonen3170]

It's a sure sign that the Stalin history is still unfolding

[@karlwalther]

Чем вы оправдаете сотрудничество нацистского вермахта и британской армии при уничтожении греческих партизан в 1945 году?

[@WrongholeReagan]

@@karlwalthersomebody sounds a little provoked

[@Alxbias]

​@@karlwaltherТы забываешь о планах СССР и нацистов вторгнуться в Польшу?

[@smachnaya_bebra2006]

So you haven't come across wild Ukrainians who are everywhere yelling about the affected Ukraine and looking for a conflict

[@miroBGgsi]

Imagine asking a german guy in Berlin if he thinks that Hitler is responsible for millions of dead people and he answers you: ''Well, there were mistakes in his politics''

[@medalist6455]

many people think so, although they are afraid to speak out, it is quite paradoxical that often Hitler’s fans are found not among the germans, but russians, poles, ukrainians, and balts who suffered from his policies

[@smachnaya_bebra2006]

Imagine you ask a Briton about Churchill's actions in relation to the colonies and he replies, "well, there were mistakes in his policy"

[@smachnaya_bebra2006]

imagine you ask a Japanese about Hirohito's actions in 36-45 years and he refuses to admit that something happened?

[@smachnaya_bebra2006]

Imagine asking an American in Washington if he thinks Roosevelt is responsible for racial segregation, and he answers you, "Well, there were mistakes in his policies."

[@andrejjessen7215]

What do you think about slavery?

[@youngblood7191]

People simultaneously say how good it was in the Soviet Union and that asking about an event from a state that no longer exists is a provocation. Yes, yes, you can see how it really was in the Soviet Union.

[@tatianarusmade336]

In Soviet Union the kindergardens were free, every summer all kids went to summer camps , free medicine, free education, families get free apartment ( my parents get for free 4rooms appartment in 90s ). Free meals at schools. Free after school activities for kids and adults. Enjoy 😂😂😂

[@youngblood7191]

@@tatianarusmade336 Nothing is free. All your schools, clubs and camps are paid for with taxes. As for the apartments, it’s just luck that the USSR collapsed and no one bothered about what to do with them now, and now you are full-fledged owners of these apartments, and not like in the USSR, when this apartment belonged to the state, and you didn’t had the right to fully own it, redeem it, etc.

[@tatianarusmade336]

@@youngblood7191 , but in every country people pay taxes .🤣but dont get anything back. In USA people pay taxes alot, and pay for everything.There money go for wars .

[@barrybrodin7085]

​@@tatianarusmade336 and everyone was poor except communist hierarchy

[@barrybrodin7085]

​@@tatianarusmade336 you are wrong kid.bet you werent even born in soviet era

[@thelma-7777]

As far as I know, Holodomor happened in Ukraine, as Stalin seized all their food and that ended up in famine and million Ukrainians died.

[@thepeopleslibrary8673]

This is just a lie.

[@ninaotan7811]

@@thepeopleslibrary8673 According to Russian scientists, demographic losses in 1932-33 due to a decrease in the birth rate, exacerbation of diseases associated with famine, deportations, and repressions amounted to 3.5 - 7 million people in Ukraine, in Kazakhstan - 1.3 million people, Volga region - 0.4 million people, in the North Caucasus - 1 million people, in other areas - 1 million people

[@o247]

The conservative estimate is that every 10th died from hunger, and a lot of who survived were severely malnourished. Also hunger affected disproportionately kids and elderly

[@nbgoodiscore1303]

Thousands? Millions*

[@PUARockstar]

Millions*

[@carelgoodheir692]

At 3.39 a young man says that the constitution Stalin gave Russia in '37 was one of the most democratic of all times. Comprehension of reality is not Russia's strong point!

[@marijo1951]

I've just quickly read through the Wikipedia entry about the 1936 Constitution of the Soviet Union which presumably officially came into operation in 1937. In fact, it is very democratic, guaranteeing amongst other things free speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of religion. I suppose the real problem is that the state adopted the Constitution and then ignored it completely.

[@user-lz1yw4fl2e]

@@marijo1951 А есть ли доказательства игнорирования? По моим сведениям все перечисленные вами положения исполнялись в полном объёме. И лишь единицы уголовников говорят, что в их отношении это не исполнялось, хотя их осуждали совсем по иным делам. Вполне возможно, что они были так же плохи и в остальных сторонах.

[@bsod111]

on paper it was very democratic, did you even read it once, bro? it doesnt mean that constitution worked as intended though

[@AndrePepink]

Here a woke example of ignorance. Talking by the ear.

[@kroolis77]

By that logic certain mr H in Germany was also a great statesman, there was order but some mistakes were made. 🤦🏻

[@kroolis77]

Russian NKVD trained Gestapo in capturing and torturing polish guérilla fighters on the occupied territory. The training included instructions on using terror on civilians to elicit response from the guérillas. Sounds familiar. Nothing changed in russia.

[@WangAiHua]

@@kroolis77 Hitler saw that the the world barely reacted to the Holodomor, and so would also ignore the Holocaust!

[@maksim05makarov]

Ну так правда. Его же не любят не потому что он убивал граждан СССР, а потому что он этому самому СССР проиграл

[@alexglikman8629]

Моя бабушка рассказывала , что во время "вымышленного" голодомора , всего то умерло половину села (32-33 года) на восточной Украине около Винницы...

[@user-ms8qc3zy4d]

Хоть бы на карту Украины посмотрели

[@vmvmvmvm5684]

Половина села вымерла не от т.н. "голодомора", а от голода, т.е. от дефицита продовольствия по всей стране. Это общая советская трагедия, вызванная множеством факторов, а не факт репрессий, направленных против определённых групп населения, как преподносят это недобросовестные политики печально известного региона.

[@momala3919]

@@lelelechko расскажем, это и так знают, только причем тут украина)

[@alexglikman8629]

@@vmvmvmvm5684 Ты прав. Голод был по всему СССР. И ??? Умерло 8 миллионов людей в 20 веке....

[@user-lz1yw4fl2e]

@@alexglikman8629 Ну так и что ты хочешь сказать? Что твои предки были такими недоумками, что не могли с этим справиться? Это дно. Не было никакого т.н. "голодомора". Это выдумка из канадских учебников, завозившихся западными пропаг*ндонами в 80ых для умалишённых селюков. А сейчас носятся с этой сказкой ничтожные побирушки - ни тогда не работали, ни сейчас.

[@Gata_Scheglova]

1:03 "случилось так как должно было случиться" - так говорят только те, кто не столкнулся сам с бедой и у кого отсутствует извилина сочувствия.

[@reytop5064]

Это отчасти часть нашего мировоззрение. Это проявляется сейчас особенно в политике РПЦ. Прям как 9 веков назад, в начале Татаро-монгольского ига, все деятели Православной Церкви, писали что это "Божье Наказание", за разврат что творился все предыдущие года. Теперь РПЦ это продвигает в отношении Великой Отечественной Войны. Так что не удивительно...

[@sinthorasdishni]

Ну типичный срусский

[@reytop5064]

@@sinthorasdishni Вы профили наций по Ломброзо составляете? Есть типичные американцы и украинцы?

[@andrewgorelik4792]

​@@reytop5064просто срусский

[@reytop5064]

@@andrewgorelik4792 просто.

[@pas0003]

Thank you for asking this and continuing your work!

[@user-vf1yn2fk9o]

After the WW2, my great grandfather was sent by Stalin's order from Bessarabia (1.5h by car from Odesa) to Siberia for hard work for uranium mining just because he was Bulgarian. He returned 10 years later and died from cancer soon after that. His two sisters died from hunger during another famine in 1946-1947.

[@J--12]

Well i hope Stalin didn't lose the opportunity to eat what was left of them. Though i heard he liked babies more than adults.

[@tatianarusmade336]

Really? we dont cry about this..In 2022 all western countries try to made in Russia collapse , so our kids died from hunger.Annnndds.. all western politics said all Russian people pay their price for Putins politics. Nowadays.its not Stalin . YOU TRY TO DO THIS NOWADAYs , western countries do it with others weak countries.

[@dimka0144]

Потому что он болгарин. Хахах. Сказки другим будешь заливать. Я хорошо помню на чьей стороне была Болгария в 1940x.

[@pacmanc8103]

@@tatianarusmade336Huh?😂

[@user-zp1nd8sl4h]

"just because he was Bulgarian" And he didn't get drafted into a nazy army, right?)

[@philipnehiley6579]

Canada recognized the "Holodomar" as genocide in 2008 and created the Holodimar Memorial Day as the 4th Saturday of November. My ancestors in Ireland suffered the "Great Hunger"(potato famine, was the blight on the potatoes ,which was their main sustenance as all other crops were sent to England) Millions died and many emigrated.

[@maestro6458]

Genocide is a criminal offense, but not a single Canadian court has considered this issue. Decisions made by parliament are simply a political action and have no legal consequences

[@yaroslavmsk1]

Seems like genocied of Russians

[@user-qj5dj5hk1y]

The concept of genocide and famine are incompatible .

[@Rob-metoo527]

The potato famine was also from not planting different types of potatoes and planning one type of potato..

[@D_D660]

Canada recognized nazi in their parliament and builds monuments to them. Hardly a good moral compass.

[@i1-L22Belarus]

My great grandfather was orphaned by the holodomor. He was what the germans later refered to as "volksdeutsch." His family bore a german surname but had lived in ukraine in the dniepr region as farmers since the time of katherine the great. The official cause of death was always "typhus." My grandma was a little girl in the 40s in dnipropetrovsk and she describes a similar period of extreme hunger leading up to the german invasion which is ultimately was secured my family's escape and survival from ukraine. Unfortunately not all of my family survived. My grandmothers youngest sister starved to death as they traversed western ukraine on foot to be taken by cattle car into poland and finally were relocated with distant relatives in Bavaria.

[@reytop5064]

You know. I'm wouldn't deny atrocities that happened under Stalin rule. And I wish condolences for you whole family. But I have a genuine question. What's definition of genocide according to UN?

[@gabe8390]

Catherine the Great died in 1796.

[@RubenNielpha]

Is nothing new that many people use "genocide" and other kind of BIG words in order to shut down any possibility of dialog or discussion. Many "new" terms are popping up nowdays, carefully crafted by fascists and used by cowards (e.g.: "Islamophobia").

[@OpenmindedSourceClosedBeta]

@@reytop5064 Article 2 of the "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. Adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations on 9 December 1948" "In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (4) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; {c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

[@OpenmindedSourceClosedBeta]

My condolences for the loss of your family. Family stories from that time are often so incredibly sad, but they still remind us today that we should never go down certain paths again. Thank you for sharing this story with us! -Best wishes from Germany.

[@zafiroshin]

In Italy we have a meme to describe those crazy people who are still nostalgic of Mussolini and his fascist regime that brought us to WW2 with Hitler and applied racial laws in the country. We say, to make fun of them, that such people say: "Yes, but he also did good things!". We mock those people because everyone knows that there's nothing a human can do to be excused from such inhumane crimes. Well, it seems that there are many people like this in Russia, applying this very logic to Stalin and communism instead. I really think that russian society, as a whole, needs to reflect upon the fact that in a normal country public opinion should see these guys as extremists and that upholding such indecent political stances can only be made fun of. In Russia, instead, it seems to be normal.

[@RomanTrollanski]

Same with some Romanians nostalgic after Ceaușescu...

[@iberiano-ls2rv]

We have the same scam bags people in Spain and even though people lived miserably under Franco's dictatorship they venerate it and praise it.

[@tangohotel0815]

Same in Germany with some East German GDR nostalgics…

[@karwoski91]

Learn history and read sometime, it might help you, read Fraud, Famine, and Fascism: the Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard

[@constantin88]

what are you talking about, you literally elected a far-right party, many members of which celebrated Benito Mussolini with fascist memorabilia in some local offices, with members of Mussolini family being members of the party. Yeah of course you mock those crazy people sooo much in Italy.

[@hugosbalder6139]

"It could have been worse". Äh what? The strangest thing in russia is this absolute cold blooded manner of the people confronted with mass murder................

[@WangAiHua]

It could have been worse--they could have cut his pension!

[@pteeradukteel]

I'm Russian who left the country right after the start of the war, and it's a very special feeling when you hear a 75yo Sergay says that I'm an "Enemy of the state" because I just merely left to another country and that there millions of such people

[@barrybrodin7085]

did you vote for putin?

[@J--12]

Ничего страшного, ты не русский, главное куда укатился там и оставайся, не возвращайся когда об тебя ноги будут вытирать называя вонючей русней и облагая тебя налогом за рускость.

[@user-lz1yw4fl2e]

Хм, может потому что ты не знаешь что государство это юридическое понятие? Почитай на досуге, что такое юридическая связь.

[@kekeezy]

"Sergay" lmao

[@F_A_F123]

​@@kekeezyI mean, it's phonetically more similar to the actual Russian name

[@sata1938]

People who say that the government is not the people have never watched your channel.

[@Gaivik]

Офигеть, старшее поколение совершенно аморально.

[@vicvasil4397]

Может они просто не фальшивки и не стараются предстать всезнающими людьми для которых все исторически события ясны и разобраны по деталям.

[@indieanna4764]

​@@vicvasil4397no just brainwashed.

[@vonmuller7007]

Ukraine has monopolised the disaster that was a famine and rebranded it to the holodomor to be their own holocaust. The famine struck from Ukraine through southern Russia and into Kazakhstan. No one of course talks about the Russians and Kazakhs who died. The Ukrainian narrative that the famine was directed against Ukrainians holds no water and is Ukrainian myth making. Ukraine is a nation borne out of hatred and the hatred is killing Ukraine right now.

[@user-lz1yw4fl2e]

Хорошая реакция нормальных людей на перестроечную ложь 80ых. Мы помним, какое г*вно хлынуло с Запада со всеми этими самиздатовскими переводами и прочим шлаком. Считаю совершенно моральным то, что Сталин поедал младенцев на завтрак.

[@bsod111]

им в СССР в школах ничего не говорили о голодоморе. Мои родители тоже родились в СССР, однако им родня рассказывала о том, что происходило в Черноземье под час голодомора. Буквально в Чернигове ситуация была лучше, чем в Тамбове того времени, но украинские националисты врут, будто голодомор только по Украине распространялся и был организован русскими.

[@user-mx4bl6zx5m]

В моей семье умерли, от голода, 5 человек. Продуктов не было, а то что выросло на огороде изымали НКВДешники. Были постоянные обыски, огород весь перекапывался, в поисках зерна, фасоли. Вымирали целыми семьями по 5-12 человек.

[@user-jm3xl7rg5k]

ты бы хоть рассказал: что за семья, где и когда???

[@alexglikman8629]

@@user-jm3xl7rg5k На восточной Украине был голодомор. У моей бабушки умерли от голода родители и ее отдали в детдом. В селе второй бабушки умерло от голода пол села. В семье никто не умер , так как они пели хлеб. Не Знаю, искусственный ли был голод или так получилось , но людей умерло от голода в 32-33 годах под 8 миллионов.

[@user-nu9ex7gq1s]

изымали нквдушники просто так? Типо без причины, сказочник?

[@Michael-ev6en]

В моей семье вообще все умерли :(( Голодающее Поволжье... тяжёлые были времена 😰

[@bobkoroua]

​@@Michael-ev6en It isn't just that there was famine Michael. Very very easy to find the truth. "The Causes of Ukrainian Famine Mortality, 1932-33* (Incomplete) Andrei Markevich† , Natalya Naumenko‡ and Nancy Qian§ March 28, 2023 There are two prevailing views of why Ukrainian mortality (Holodomor) was disproportionally high during the Great Soviet Famine (1932-33): i) bias against Ukraine in Soviet Policy; ii) an unintended con- sequence of policies or exogenous factors with no inherent anti-Ukraine bias. To address this debate, we construct a large data set and document that holding per capita grain production, urbanization, and many other factors constant, famine mortality rate was increasing in pre-famine ethnic Ukrainian population shares across regions, even outside of Ukraine. All else equal, government grain procurement as a share of pro- duction also increased in pre-famine ethnic Ukrainian population share. The results contradict (ii), support (i), and, in addition, show that anti-Ukrainian bias extended to all ethnic Ukrainians in the Soviet Union, not just the republic of Ukraine."

[@Yakshevskyi]

I'm from Ukraine. My grandmother survived the famine and told the horrors of those times, the main reason for the famine was not the crop failure, but the fact that the communists went and took the harvest every last bit, even tearing up the floors in the houses to find the hidden grain. People were starving, the cities were emptied, everyone moved to the village where there was at least some chance of survival. And the most terrible grain was then exported.

[@maksim05makarov]

Я из Украины, к дом к моей бабушке пришел Сталин и съел всю еду вместе с ее родителями. Хорошо что она жила в Польше и Сталина прогнали поляки

[@user-jw2we6il2x]

Я из России, но все мои родственники из Украины. Довольно блювотно слушать, как люди в видео оправдывают или отрицают голодомор, хотя он был и в России и в Казахстане. Все мои родственники ненавидят сталинский период правления, так как на селе это было самое голодное время. Только Маленков помог крестьянам, ослабив колхозы и начав развивать лёгкую промышленность, однако кукурузник все вернул.

[@caiolima5016]

No

[@duckduckov4362]

Моя прабабка так же с голода пухла в Туле. Поэтому в Москву двинули всей семьëй, есть нечего было. Не приписывайте себе все несчастья. Лично вас никто не травил и морил на Украине. В любом случае, кто это делал? Грузин Сталин? Хохол Хрущëв? Не складывается паззл в слово "голодомор украинского народа" ну никак.

[@Yakshevskyi]

@@duckduckov4362 ты не понимаешь о чем говоришь!

[@mrchow3177]

The abuser seldomly admits the abuse to his victims.

[@vonmuller7007]

Ukraine has monopolised the disaster that was a famine and rebranded it to the holodomor to be their own holocaust. The famine struck from Ukraine through southern Russia and into Kazakhstan. No one of course talks about the Russians and Kazakhs who died. The Ukrainian narrative that the famine was directed against Ukrainians holds no water and is Ukrainian myth making. Ukraine is a nation borne out of hatred and the hatred is killing Ukraine right now.

[@crusaderforchrist8430]

When Stalin's second wife heard and saw the massive famines and deaths in Ukraine, she took her own life because of it. 😢

[@DacianRider]

through the looking glass, these ruzzians seem to keep descending further and further with each passing day. thank you 1420 for providing us with these stunning interviews !

[@phild3936]

It isn't only the 'RuSSians'. The good old USSR still has its admiring quislings in the West too.

[@DacianRider]

@@phild3936 just a few wandering relics who drift in and out of swearing and nap time... but yeah, we need to keep an eye on the ones with present day connections to those in power.

[@Palach624]

​@@phild3936Be sure we will rise again.

[@mpingo91]

Jeez, we have numerous instances of praise for genocide here, Jeez... 😱

[@schrodingerskatze2162]

Primary evidence for this genocide is a Nazi magazine with pictures taken 39 years earlier.

[@PassivePortfolios]

They like genocide in Russia as long as they have order. Like Germany had genocide and order in the 1930s and early 1940s.

[@vaxrvaxr]

This shouldn't shock you anymore.

[@dallastaylor5479]

What kind of human would say these things? Absolutely barbaric.

[@westminster2]

18 years old Sergey says that the Soviet constitution from 1937 was one of the most democratic costitutions of that time. Is he insane ? Constitution or plain laws had no meaning in USSR, did not offer any protection for citizens, when the authorities simply shot people at will. :-(

[@joseywales7463]

His own constitution is not providing basic free speech rights today. Call it a war, go to jail. Talk about Jesus on the street, go jail. Russia is fuukkkeed

[@at_vinta6730]

Constitution was the most liberal in theory

[@WangAiHua]

@@at_vinta6730 Best toilet paper in the Soviet Union!--At least better than no toilet paper!

[@user-lz1yw4fl2e]

@@WangAiHua Для недоумков неумеющих пользоваться документами все документы - туалетная бумага. Обезьянка скок-скок.

[@polinaporechna2008]

it also had a close in there that any republic could leave at any moment, but never provided any tools and processes to do so

[@peterp7063]

For once a very depressing vox pop by Daniil. Depressing that so many people, of all ages but particularly the more elderly, either deny what happened or make excuses for it and for the evil man who was responsible for it all. God help us.

[@mitchyoung93]

Was the evil man Russian?

[@pravak6745]

@@mitchyoung93 Were the people who put him in charge Russian?

[@cogitorium1089]

Yeah, it's like watching an upside-down mirror world. For fuck's sake, Stalin's single-handedly decided policies had either killed or displaced millions of people before the second world war even started. I know many of these russians don't care what happened with Ukrainians, Kazachs, Poles, Jews, Georgians, Karelians, etc... But shouldn't they at least remember the Great Purge? When the NKVD just shot more than a million people in the head, and then they also killed those who did the shooting, which kinda makes it even crazier, if you think about living inside such system? Basically every Soviet citizen, regardless of views, nationality, wealth, religion or party affiliation, feared being woken up by a knock on the door and a sack on the head, and they just call it "a mistake" now?!

[@cskvision]

Just like how they deny or make lame excuses for Putin's barbaric invasion of Ukraine. History repeats itself.

[@jorgeenchilada]

I think other than the old guys, the young people are just saying things to not get in trouble. You can tell with the guy who just randomly said "I support the war". I suppose he could actually support it, but that interaction was very weird.

[@Ebb0Productions]

"Enemies of the people" is one scary line.

[@micindir4213]

They are ppl. You are enemy. Simple. How they know they are ppl and not enemy? They are children of nkvd as farmers died out. Only sheep survived in Russia. Sheep = ppl. Human = enemy of the ppl

[@Justlookingg]

Hi from a Russian. My parents knew a student in their university (they met in and went to the same university) whose father peed outside his house and someone reported on him that he was peeing on the portrait of Stalin (as far as I remember (and I might be wrong) - there was a portrait in the vicinity....). He was called an enemy of the people and sent years in gulag (btw, children of "enemies of the people" were shunned and denied some benefits in the society. This was one of the MANY cases of Enemys of the People. People rotting away in camps for nothing. "Fun" fact: some famous people spent time in prison as well - Sergey Korolev (the one who headed Soviet space program that launched the 1st human (Yuri Gagarin) into space, Osip Mandelstamm - for writing a poem critical of Stalin (Mr. Mandelstamm, tragically, died on the way to yet another prison camp). Unfortunatelly, most Russians are proud of our "greats" but they don't know (and most don't want to know) how those greats were imprisoned for nothing, sent off to labour camps for stating the truth, for having an opinion..... It is tragic - and the list of the "greats" is large. And the list of regular citizens - enormous, tragic.

[@justaskstu]

🤯 wow! The more I learn about the average Russian, the more it blows my mind.

[@mitchyoung93]

@justaskstu Because they haven't been brainwashed? Dude, look up 30 years ago...the supposed 'Holodomor' didn't exist. Nobody denies that collectivization was a disaster....but it effected all of Southern Russia.

[@vonmuller7007]

Ukraine has monopolised the disaster that was a famine and rebranded it to the holodomor to be their own holocaust. The famine struck from Ukraine through southern Russia and into Kazakhstan. No one of course talks about the Russians and Kazakhs who died. The Ukrainian narrative that the famine was directed against Ukrainians holds no water and is Ukrainian myth making. Ukraine is a nation borne out of hatred and the hatred is killing Ukraine right now.

[@LoLMasterManiac]

Gradually I started to despise them.

[@dinapugacheva4141]

Well job, you've listened to random 8-10 guys and made an opinion about all russians.

[@kirkraft1179]

​@@LoLMasterManiacthanks for keeping us relevent😂😂😂

[@cbrefb3379]

Русские никогда не признаются в своих преступлениях.

[@bashkort_erete]

нелюди...

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

Kulaks were responsible not Stalin

[@matheusaguiar6382]

The famine did happen. It also happened in many parts of the World as a result of droughts. If you search "𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝘿𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝘽𝙤𝙬𝙡", you will see that it also happened in the United States of America. We also have the same happening in Brazil in the same year(s). . Holod0mor is a conspiracy th'ory deeply associated with N*zis. They claim that the S0cialist government (or St'lin?) purposefuly caused a famine in Ukraine in order to exterminate ethnic Ukrainians. . We know that the primary evidence for the claim comes from 𝙏𝙝𝙤𝙢𝙖𝙨 𝙒𝙖𝙡𝙠𝙚𝙧 (aka Robert Greene), who sold fake pictures to N*zis magazines, such as 𝙑𝙤𝙡𝙠𝙞𝙨𝙘𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝘽𝙚𝙤𝙗𝙖𝙘𝙝𝙩𝙚𝙧 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙃𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙨𝙩 𝙈𝙖𝙜𝙖𝙯𝙞𝙣𝙚. . We know the pictures are fake because they show Tsarist symbols all over, they are also dated much earlier than the 1930s. There's also a document where they asked 30 people, many of whom were associated with the N*zi party, to basically say a number of deaths for the famine. This is not scientific nor is it evidence. It's junk science. . If you want to understand this further, there's a Brazilian Historian who goes through the evidence and he shows one-by-one. In a surgical analysis to deconstruct this myth. His channel is called "𝙃𝙞𝙨𝙩𝙤𝙧𝙞𝙖 𝙋𝙪𝙗𝙡𝙞𝙘𝙖" and he has a video about H*lodomor.

[@westyura]

@@just_a_turtle_chad Ну да, ну да... Только вот голод был не только 1932-33 года но и 1946 года и лично мне отец рассказывал как люди пухли с голода и о диво дивное при немецкой оккупации такого не было как думаешь почему? "Well, yes, well yes... But the famine wasn't only in 1932-33; it also occurred in 1946. My father personally told me how people swelled from hunger. Interestingly, during the German occupation, there was no such thing. What do you think was the reason for that?

[@yaroslavmsk1]

При том, что во время голода умерло больше русских чем украинцев. Боже, учи историю. Я уж молчу, что причём тут русские, и с чего это их преступление.

[@Alvar2001]

There was order back then said the man...the order of cemiteries.

[@Rampart.X]

They can't explain why there was a "bad harvest".

[@maxo1124]

because Russians ate all seeds

[@karwoski91]

Stalin ate all the grain buddy xD

[@WangAiHua]

It was a bumper crop--The grain was DUMPED on the international markets and tons rotted in silos with guards preventing people to take it! Children were shot for picking up even a few grains off of the ground!

[@karwoski91]

@@WangAiHua Damn such a fantastic tale, you should write a romance 🤣

[@WangAiHua]

@@karwoski91 Thank you---I see that you like to write fiction!

[@marijo1951]

That first man was very scary. I had the impression that he'd been involved in some pretty nasty stuff on behalf of the state at some stage in his life...

[@pravak6745]

That's right. Try to imagine if Nazi Germany won and you were on the street interviewing the descendants of the henchmen, the triggermen, the rapists, and torturers. What kind of responses do you think you would get? The crimes of Russia are shocking to the core and the perpetrators and their descendants walk the street of Russia as ordinary citizens. Watch "the Soviet story".

[@WangAiHua]

There were two types of people in the Soviet Union--Those that were tortured and suffered(unhappy) and those that supported those doing the torturing (happy).

[@Derzolus]

Interesting fact - because USSR grains were not present on the international market in early 30s, my country Romania managed to better cope with the Great Depression effects. The prices were high enough to actually get some much needed money. Those years were actually good in terms of weather , rains and so on in Eastern Europe. The rainfall did not stop on the Romanian and Polish borders, it rain also in Soviet Ukraine and Belarus. Only the Bolshevik mess created the Holodomor.

[@carelgoodheir692]

Yes. Solzhenytsin (sp?) points out that the famine in Eastern Ukraine and southern Russia, with associated food shortages all over the USSR, happened in years when the climate should have given good harvests. It was solely the result of actions by the Soviet state.

[@avishnevsky7394]

Absolutely true. There was no time in history before USSR when Ukraine had famine. According to my grand-grandmothers and grand-grandfathers, harvest in 1932 was quite good. Holodomor was created artificially, Red Army took all food from villages.

[@lgnfve]

@@avishnevsky7394 and we had to watch our loved ones, our children starve to death. research starvation as cause of death and you will find it is a horror. the last thing the body uses to make energy is the brain. the body literally eats it's own brain. often wonder is this is where some zombie myths come from.

[@arsonviburnums8453]

@@avishnevsky7394 red army? The army did nothing. Only colkhozes could get a harvest, not the army, and colkhozes were the same with modern farms and agricultural firms.

[@unaihernandez330]

In Spain the WWI was like Graet Depression for Romania but in the 30s all went wrong

[@Crillian44]

Like a window to the past we can see how a street interview in 1930s Germany would have been...

[@vonmuller7007]

Ukraine has monopolised the disaster that was a famine and rebranded it to the holodomor to be their own holocaust. The famine struck from Ukraine through southern Russia and into Kazakhstan. No one of course talks about the Russians and Kazakhs who died. The Ukrainian narrative that the famine was directed against Ukrainians holds no water and is Ukrainian myth making. Ukraine is a nation borne out of hatred and the hatred is killing Ukraine right now.

[@nikosz66]

Accurate remark indeed !

[@AndrePepink]

There is newspapers from 1930's explaining how ukranitzation of population in eastern parts of societ ukraine was going. It is unlikely there is anything about Ukraine

[@MrBricameron]

There’s a rude awakening coming.

[@devansa125]

For the EU or USA?

[@johndoe5555]

Статья за 3 колоска. Экспорт зерна и вооруженная охрана у зернохранилищ. Изъятие всего съедобного. Запрет покидать сёла (из которых вывезли всю еду)... Да не, просто год был неурожайный... Всё что нужно знать про образование россиян.

[@user-yk8nj7tw7p]

теперь об образовании судят по знанию одного единственного события... когда это же самое событие трактуется в многочисленных версиях, и почему то "истинную" определяют комментаторы.

[@user-hc7ks5sl5b]

по факту, у меня прадед за 3 колоска в гулаг отъехал на урановые рудники (жил на Урале) ели картофельный крахмал, прабабушка по другой линии про голодомор мне тоже рассказывала, жила в Херсонской области

[@serko5942]

@@user-yk8nj7tw7p моя бабка жила в Краснодарському краї, 1907 року народження, вона мені в 90х ще розповідала, що був страшний голод і в них люди людей їли! А сталося тому, що забирали у селян останню їжу, тупо забирали! За приховування зерна, могли розстріляти на місці. От вам і факт.

[@maestro6458]

Ага так и написано, закон о трех колосках... Не транслируй больше пропаганду

[@johndoe5555]

@@maestro6458 Постановления ЦИК СССР и СНК СССР от 7 августа 1932 года «Об охране имущества государственных предприятий, колхозов и кооперации и укреплении общественной (социалистической) собственности» тебе от этого легче стало?

[@rusty8992]

Enemies of the people? They ARE the people. I think they mean citizens who didn't obey a dictator.

[@cedricreichmuth7076]

„A million people died after a bad harvest“ is NOT exactly what happened

[@olenachko6801]

when what happened sweetheart

[@andrejjessen7215]

Okay Mr now it all. I am sure you know exactly what happened

[@merik7928]

The evidence indicated that the famine affected a much wider area then just Ukraine, including 2 million dead in Russia itself so the national interpretation is incorrect, the famine was caused by a failure in agricultural policy exacerbated by natural factors which led to a poor harvest, which led into a regional food shortage and which Stalins government failed to adequately respond to, in large part they wanted to hide the famine from the wider USSR and world hence they undertook most of their relief efforts in secret which obviously greatly hindered their effectiveness. So they certainly deserve alot of the blame but they didnt kill anyone intentionally, the famine was undesired. This means that the famine clearly doesn't meet the common definition of the term genocide, which most people think to involve mass intentional killing of specific groups of people rather than many accidental deaths among different groups of people, under a wider definition of genocide it might qualify but that would need to be a definition that includes deaths by mismanagement and neglect and that doesn't need to be targeted at any specific group of people, which really kind of defeats the point of the term and would implicate basically every government in the world of genocide. So by the understanding of the vast majority of people and the UN Definition of the term, the Holodomor was not genocide. That said it was still mostly the fault of Stalin's government, Stalin's agricultural policy was disastrous and his treatment of the peasants was incredibly brutal to him they were closests to serfs than Comrades in a socialist project peasant disobedience to this state of affairs was inevitable and caused by the government in itself. in reaction to that rather than listening to peasants grievances and change changing course was to brand any dissenter as a "Kulak", a saboteur, a class enemy. The narrative was quite literally that the peasants were basically intentionally starving themselves to death to get back at the government, which is obviosly just absurd. Some stalinists today still cling to the same excuse for the famine framing it not just as an important factor but the most important factor, but there is quite literally not one single serious historian who would agree with that. Even if the famine was not a genocide it was still a massive failure of policy and the government reacted with more concern for its own image then for the people who were dying on-mass. This is not at all unique to Stalin or the USSR, governments in general love to cover up and downplay of events that are inconvenient form them. But it happened nonetheless and its impossible for such a massive human disaster not to be attributable to the authorities who oversaw it and especially not the ultimate Authority, in this case Stalin. The fact of the matter is that stalin heavily deviated from principled formed by Lenin and earlier bolsheviks regarding the autonomy of peasants and of nationalities with disastrous effect.

[@Ahtikas]

How can people be so brainwashed and so ignorant! Scary. Good to see that some young people can think with their own head.

[@justaguy-69]

often times we see the same ignorance and brainwashing in american democrts of america , its sad to see how far our american friends have fallen in the past 4 years. oddly enough in america it seems its the young that are the brainwashed and the old still think with their own heads. maybe due to tic toc and chinese infiltration of american media the young watch, or from brainwashing in their anti american culture of their colleges.

[@avishnevsky7394]

It is not brainwashing, it is modern russian fascism.

[@user-yk8nj7tw7p]

if you thought with your head, maybe you would question "what if this channel is provocative, maybe I am deceived and not getting full truth?". who prevents this guys to put in this video only answers they like?

[@vonmuller7007]

Ukraine has monopolised the disaster that was a famine and rebranded it to the holodomor to be their own holocaust. The famine struck from Ukraine through southern Russia and into Kazakhstan. No one of course talks about the Russians and Kazakhs who died.

[@alexeyigonen3170]

​@@user-yk8nj7tw7p you know too well that these are the common views. Perhaps you can provide an interview with more human answers?

[@dougal679]

They all seem so happy with their lives and history. Long may it continue for them as they become more isolated and their government take even more funds for the military. Sadly they think the rest of the world is in envy. What a crazy bunch.

[@user-ze9vk6vp2k]

По твоему, они должны страдать и кататься каждому идиоту с камерой? Что за обсурд

[@at_vinta6730]

​@@user-ze9vk6vp2kзабей,чел видимо обижен на что-то

[@kekeezy]

western shizo's text when he saw ukrainian counter-offensive failed miserably :D

[@kastah]

I never stopping get chocked by the answeres to the people. Deep inside, they mostly axcept the rulers bad acts against their own inhabitants. How much HOPE is there for this nation to become a part of a normal sosiety?? Very very small, this will take generations, sadly.

[@WangAiHua]

Their "own" inhabitants?---This is the Muscovian EMPIRE---Their colonials are treated like serfs at best and as ENEMIES at worse!

[@AK-ej5ml]

There is no Pravda in Isvestia and no Isvestia in Pravda (Pravda and Isvestia were both newspapers, named Truth and News respectively) - most of the interviewees doesn't seem to have realises this even this many years later. Remembering the good and forgetting the bad is a survival mechanism of the brain.

[@brinjoness3386]

I watched a documentary recently that said that.

[@user-lz1yw4fl2e]

Лол. А что есть? Известия в Известиях и Правда в Правде? Тогда достаточно лишь читать две этих газеты вместо одной? Хаха.

[@AndrePepink]

Thats how it works mainly in the west.

[@masonjones3780]

How can so many ppl be mentally screwed. I bet if you showed them videos of soldiers complaining about conditions and deaths they’d still be in denial. Terrible

[@florianmeier3186]

If you consider they look older than they are, they were kids when Stalin died. So they do not really know what they are talking about and they were too old to start new business when USSR collapsed in 1991. So they had their best days in USSR times and probably heard that Stalin was the leader who saved Russia's independence and glory by winning the war. They do not look as if they have seen many easy days. Now they are even more filled up with propaganda. So, what else to expect. It is said, but maybe not really surprising.

[@stefanbotezatorul]

They will tell it's fake and that Russians are only moving forward..

[@dc56789]

The Russian government is like a narcissistic parent who has given birth to many narcissistic children.

[@user-dt9ue8bk7f]

Отнюдь, родителем нацистского поколения является советское а то и царское правительство. Путин и его "шайка" не возникли сами по себе.

[@panroman4817]

No, the narcissistic people gave birth to narcissistic government.

[@RichardTaylor1630]

@@panroman4817 It's an incredibly vicious cycle. We thought that it was broken in 1989-91, as it was for the captive nations of eastern Europe, and that a free russia had a bright future ahead of it. We have been proven wrong.

[@AndrePepink]

Western culture in a nutshell

[@HyperFocusMarshmallow]

Enemies of the people. What a terrible idea that is. Capable of shutting of compassion.

[@indieanna4764]

It's like a different planet of people that look human, but aren't. Evil

[@JS-ip8xm]

In Russia, compassion has never been a virtue, only a stupid weakness or an evil desire to help the enemies of the wonderful government of the day.

[@HyperFocusMarshmallow]

@@indieanna4764 Who? I’m not sure I get your point. Calling people evil and inhuman is about as risky as calling them enemies of the people. I’m not a fan of either.

[@indieanna4764]

@@HyperFocusMarshmallow I can't understand their lack of empathy, their unwillingness to own the truth, they can't seriously believe this war against their neighbours, and many have family in Ukraine is justified. To me it's evil and ignorant. Just my opinion.

[@indieanna4764]

@@JS-ip8xm yes I forget, that's a real Soviet trait. But because of the harsh and violent past.

[@user-jm3xl7rg5k]

@4:57 -- "an interesting page in this newspaper, "If I Were the Boss"" .... First, "director" must be translated as "director", not "boss". Second. it was not in "Pravda", but in "Literaturnaya Gazeta". )))

[@steffenkanopke3967]

Thank you for this contribution. He shows me that everyone (Russians) knew everything but everyone has an explanation, an excuse or a justification. You (Russians) please never complain about the Germans or the fascists again. You are the fascists of 2023.

[@rempseaheinamies9414]

The truth is so provocative to those who avoid it.

[@johnthewatermen]

All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.

[@andrejjessen7215]

Evil doesn't exist your religious monk

[@ahones2255]

The 1931 harvest was good. The USSR forced Ukraine to hand over 42 percent of its production. The next harvest was catastrophic. The situation became desperate when the law of the three ears was passed, which imposed sentences of ten years of hard labour for those who stole any state property. And the food belonged to the State. Party activists and Army units moved to Ukraine to requisition the food that peasants were hiding to survive. Stalin created a cordon around Ukraine. Many towns were surrounded by the Police so that no one could leave. And watchtowers were installed. As the famine spread, a campaign of repression was launched against intellectuals, professors, writers, artists, priests, officials... who were imprisoned, sent to work camps, and executed. When the 1937 census gave undesirable figures, the authors were executed and the official statistics were altered. It was with the opening of the archives, after the fall of the USSR in 1991, that the magnitude of the famine began to be confirmed. To all those who surprisingly praise the figure of Stalin and minimise his genocidal character, I would recommend that they read Nikita Khrushchev's speech at the 20th Congress of the CPSU; I'm sure it will teach them something.

[@nauticalnovice9244]

Khrushchev lied

[@pompom8315]

Khrushchev didn't claim that the famine in Ukraine was a genocide.

[@ahones2255]

@@nauticalnovice9244 The speech was given on February 25, 1956, at the 20th Congress of the Communist Party held in Moscow, but was not made public until 1988. It had been three years since the death of Stalin, responsible for the death by starvation of more than seven million innocent only between 1932 and 1933 and sending another two million people to the gulag (Soviet concentration camps) between 1935 and 1940, of whom 700,000 were shot without prior trial. In fact, during his entire mandate, it is estimated that he killed more than five million Soviet people, calculating downwards, and Khrushchev thought that the time had come to reveal and condemn, for the first time, those horrible crimes. In 2006, Gorbachev already declared that he was concerned about this phenomenon of the cult of Stalin being present in today's Russia, so much so that a copy of the voluminous text should have been among the objects in the exhibition that the Moscow History Museum inaugurated that same year on the occasion of that important communist conclave, but was later not released to the public. Only the front page of the newspaper "Pravda" was shown with the beginning of the speech, while a short film was projected in which an almost illegible page of the historic report appeared for just over ten seconds. Khrushchev didn't lie, the communist party did. Abrir en el Traductor de Google • Enviar comenta

[@joseywales7463]

​@@ahones2255 the Perestroika Deception and New Lies For Old, by Anatoliy Golitysn. False condemnation of Stalin as a tactical move to decieve the West.

[@WangAiHua]

@@pompom8315 You of course disagree?--Or are YOU one of those that CONDONE the Holodomor?----You are SICK and Twisted!

[@fritz7361]

It's just frustrating .... Apparently this is exactly what the much-vaunted “Russian soul” is all about

[@nni9310]

I wonder if those interviewed who were supportive of the Holodomor would be if they or their close family were victims of the same famine.

[@RichardTaylor1630]

Right. Of course the actual victims are all almost all dead by now; either in 1932/3, or for the lucky survivors, from the Purges of the later 30s, from WW II (including the Holocaust), from abuse in the gulags, or from old age. But that is what russia is now - a nation comprised of the children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren who executed Lenin's and Stalin's orders to kill off the nobility, the independent farmers, and all who resisted the terror of state power. Naturally there were millions of decent russians - people who would have been horrified at what Putler is doing in Ukraine now - but evidently (based on these interviews) they either escaped the USSR, died in the Civil War or in the gulags, or have passed away without transmitting a sense of morality to their children. That said, in other videos from 1420 we have seen many comments from younger, well educated russians in Moscow and St. Petersburg that reflect decent values, and that do not support the genocide against Ukraine. But this particular group is depressing as hell.

[@olenachko6801]

Holodomor was all across Soviet Union because it wasn’t a genocide but a FAMINE and yes it was caused not only by nature but by bad political decisions, still it wasn’t a genocide

[@AndrePepink]

Many were represed by Stalin in Russia. So this text you wrote is extremly not smart.

[@AdamosDad]

Just because technology is improving doesn't mean our humanity is." -John Lovell (Warrior poet)

[@TM10000]

Anatoliy should probably be put in prison. They have a lot of order there too. He would like it.

[@dayglodoggy]

-Tell me about the Holodomor -Can't, wasn't alive then -What do you think of Stalin's policies? -GREAT (imbicile was also not alive during Stalin)

[@user-zp1nd8sl4h]

He basically said it to just get by... You basically don't understand people

[@nasterfireguy4467]

Holodomor was in 30s Stalin lived until 50s he could have very well been a kid under stalin, 20 years after holodomor ended

[@dayglodoggy]

@@nasterfireguy4467 ah yes, kids, and their notable quality of deeply understanding policies of national government. However you want to try and dress it up, the guy is regurgitating the revisionist stalin-good-times on the state controlled tv.

[@pavlik_morozov_1932]

It seems that by distorting history, people's thoughts can also be distorted. And the easier the simpler these people are...

[@mechniack]

Russian logic ! The enemy of the people are ourselves the people.

[@micindir4213]

They learned postmodernism since 1917. You know that holodomor was called "food expansion" in ussr 😂 ? Now you understand that "special military operation" and "negative floating of the ship" has tradition. These ppl are 5 year old mentally and when bombarded by postmodernism just capitulate. It's too much for them

[@miranda2012rox]

My great-grandmother survived in holodomor. In the late 90s, she taught me to eat inside the house because someone could see and a red army might come and kill us. Terrible things russians have done to Ukraine over the last 300 years, and they try to deny all these crimes and genocide.

[@Kshahdoo67]

Do you know that Stalin was Georgian? I mean they still have his museum in Georgia, the best American friends at Caucasus... And there were more Russians died than Ukrainians during the famine of 30s...

[@miranda2012rox]

@@Kshahdoo67 Do you know that Stalin didn't kill people by himself? Do you know that stalin didn't block villlages with a black mark by himself? Do you know that before and after stalin, Ukrainian people were persecuted and repressed for using the Ukrainian language or because they were simply Ukrainians? How did Ukraine become occupied by the Soviet Union? Didn't the Russians come with the war? By the way, it was before stalin. It’s the same as now claiming today's war as Putin’s war, and Putin kills people personally, not russian citizens who are sitting in the trenches with guns.

[@skrepka6055]

@@Kshahdoo67 Согласно оценке, приведённой в электронной версии энциклопедии Британника, в 1932-1933 годах в голоде в СССР погибло 5 млн человек, из них 4 млн украинцев. Согласно оценке, представленной в Энциклопедии Брокгауз, от голода в СССР погибло от 4 до 7 миллионов человек, при этом отмечаются особо высокие потери на Украине Ты глупый или как? Украинцы после ужасного голодомора на какое то время прекратили свою популяцию.

[@Kshahdoo67]

@@skrepka6055 ""Исследователи - оппоненты этой концепции указывают, что точно в таком же положении оказалось население Северного Кавказа, Поволжья, Казахстана и других районов, поскольку массовый голод в тот период охватил огромные территории и привёл к гибели множества как украинцев, так и русских, казахов и людей других национальностей[61]. В отчёте Международной конференции «Историческая и политическая проблема массового голода в СССР 30-х годов» (2008 год, Москва) указывалось: «Мало сказать, что не обнаружен ни один документ, подтверждающий концепцию „голодомор-геноцид“ на Украине, или хотя бы намёк в документах на этнические мотивы случившегося, в том числе на Украине. Абсолютно весь массив документов свидетельствует о том, что главным врагом советской власти в то время был враг не по этническому признаку, а по признаку классовому» В Казахстане относительные потери населения были выше, чем на Украине. Это даже украинские исследователи признают. И тема настолько политизирована, что верить там можно не только лишь всем.

[@djanitatiana]

@@Kshahdoo67 Were you kicked by a horse? Everyone knows Stalin was Georgian, wanted to be a priest but became Lenin's head thug instead. 80% of famine deaths were Ukrainian. And that's not taking into account the Kazakh deaths. Russia was, and is, a death cult.

[@ExVeritateLibertas]

You think the 18 year old student has sense, then he starts praising Stalin's constitution as if this was not a a piece of glorified toilet paper but something that had real legal value. I despair of there being any hope for this society. And I spent years living there, not just seeing it through these vids.

[@anoutsiderinsiderussia]

It takes a while before you 'get it', as I like to call it. For me, it took around 4-5 years of living in Russia before I began to understand.

[@ExVeritateLibertas]

@@anoutsiderinsiderussia My experience is boomers who have come over fleeing "liberalism" will never get it, but more or less normal persons who just thought Russia was a fascinating place will get un-fascinated at a certain point. As for me, I basically did come for that former reason, but being younger I guess I was more open to letting experience alter my views. I still have time to make a change. If you come over when you are 50 or 60, you will stubbornly refuse to admit you put all your eggs in the wrong basket.

[@user-vn3si4gz4n]

Ты обиделся, потому что у человека есть своё мнение, и он высказывает то, что думает, а не то что ты хочешь слышать. Так бывает, ты должен это понять

[@nasterfireguy4467]

Free University education ? Free healthcare ? That's AGITPROP, this is COMMUNIST propoganda, a society cannot function if a person doesn't have $40000000 debt from attending an appointment or going to college

[@judd442009]

1: 53 "Well, there were mistakes" -- the understatement of the video.

[@jarppe123]

Most important question should probably be: "Why are there hundreds of times more enemies now?"

[@captlazer5509]

Sixteen countries recognize the Holodomor as genocide. The fact that the socialist farming methods failed in the Soviet Union by eliminating independent kulak farmers to state run farms in 1929. This led to poor soil management. Then the need to feed industrial workers in Russia's major cities. Finally, Joseph Stalin's plan to implement a grab and go mission led to mass starvation. This isn't a confusing mystery of bad weather leading to starving millions and if you need more proof, a similar event occured in NK in the early 90's with millions of NK people starving due to heavy rains with an evil incompetent government doing nothing but taking from peasant farmers while the South Korea people were resilient and uneffected by a season of less than ideal weather.

[@princebuster93]

@ captlazer, great comment, same thing is about to happen again on a world wide scale, but this time the people will see its biblical leading to the return of the real King and Saviour, Jesus Christ

[@maestro6458]

recognized only by parliaments as a political act. Not a single court in the world has recognized the famine as genocide.

[@princebuster93]

@@maestro6458 of course not, they all have the same despotic agenda

[@captlazer5509]

@@maestro6458 you are calling it the perfect crime then.

[@marissaalonzo7997]

​@@maestro6458I think it probably has now. I don't know if Ukraine petitioned a court before. I'm sure they would would rule on it at this point...

[@jfrancobelge]

The first, older one typically belongs to the generation formatted by the USSR. Afraid of answering a "provocative" question about something that took place close to a century go.

[@hobokingbilly]

Years ago I watched a documentary episode that interviewed a mother who survived the Holodomor. She described a 'Sophie's Choice' when a trader offered her some beetroot for her daughter. She refused and bartered some belongings for a small portion. When the trader had gone her emaciated son crawled naked from beneath the stove and begged for some of the food. His mother told him that there was only enough for her unbroken child, the daughter, to survive. With 'tears as big as peas' he begged then crawled back beneath the stove and did not emerge again. If anyone can tell me the name of this documentary I would appreciate it although I don't need to see it again.

[@Hochspitz]

I think you might be referring to the 2015 documentary: Holodomor: Voices of Survivors - Ukrainian Famine/Genocide

[@barryhamm3414]

It's not a doco but the movie "Mr Jones" tells of this terrible time.

[@borismor1]

В Ютубе вбейте "вестник бури голодомор" и там подробно описаны эти события. Голод был. Он бал на Украине, в Польше, в России и в Казахстане. Был в том числе в той части Украины которая не была под советской властью. Был в результате коллективизации, в результате того что крестьяне забивали скот, в результате неурожая и в результате массового заражения хлеба спарыньей. Все эти условия сложились и произошло то что произошло. Помощь была. Советская власть резко прекратила продажу хлеба заграницу (для покупки оборудования) и начались поставки продовольствие. Говорить что голод был по национальному признаку - глупо. Украиной управляли те же украинцы только под другим флагом. Текущая власть Украины строит на этой трагедии свое национальное самосознание. Беря одни факты и отбрасывая другие.

[@borismor1]

There was hunger. He has been dancing in Ukraine, Poland, Russia and Kazakhstan. He was also in the part of Ukraine that was not under Soviet rule. It was as a result of collectivization, as a result of the fact that peasants slaughtered cattle, as a result of crop failure and as a result of mass contamination of bread with asparagus. All these conditions have developed and what happened has happened. There was help. The Soviet government abruptly stopped selling bread abroad (to buy equipment) and food supplies began. To say that the famine was on a national basis is stupid. Ukraine was ruled by the same Ukrainians only under a different flag. The current government of Ukraine is building its national identity on this tragedy. Taking some facts and discarding others.

[@marcelbeurskens2156]

​@@barryhamm3414thank you. Will watch it.

[@pekkahagglund2381]

Im suprised danny is still walking free! Keep up the good work bro!🙈🙉🙊!

[@AdamosDad]

"To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"

[@BillHanson-wu4nh]

Subject of another video. What Stalin did in Mongolia in 1937.

[@indieanna4764]

Listening to most of these people make me sick to my stomach. You can't help wondering what is wrong with them, that they are so backward and cowardly. Listening to this should make everyone aware of what people are like when oppressed over years and years. That is not humanity.

[@jannekallio5047]

They are victims of evil outside forces, but at the same time better than others and they have never done anything bad to anyone, nor attacked anyone... They believe this.. that is what is wrong with them..

[@littlegreenman2014]

Thanks for the chuckle. Always get a smile from those comments 😄

[@RichardTaylor1630]

@@littlegreenman2014 Really there is nothing funny about it -- not to a Ukrainian whose family has been devastated by Vlad the monster that these people support.

[@olegnovitski6987]

They are not oppressed. They are russians. This is their mentality. It has been like that for many centuries.

[@user-nv5nh6jr4q]

Это (отборный материал) за многие поколения!!! Если на росии столетиями искоренялись нормальные,развитые,умные,талантливые,здравомыслящие люди а плодились только вертухаи, энкаведешники и другие аморальные нелюди и убийцы что вы сейчас хотите услышать от их потомков??? Это нелюди....

[@a2uia]

This is so far most terrific episode I’ve seen. It’s unbelievable

[@stefanbobia4241]

It physically hurts to listen to most of these answers

[@edmondmathon7476]

Wow!!!!! There’s a Nobel Award for Peace in the making here!!!!!

[@gonzalovelasquez-alvarez6925]

00:11 What a difference in opinion between Boris and Sergay, first one asking "Are you provoking me?.. and the second "It hit the Dnieper Region, a million people died in a bad harvest year, the authorities have not given any indulgence". Thanks 1420 (and the school that educated you and bears the primal name) to tell this little forgeted and even unknown story by the wester countries, specially in Chile. Greetings for this mayor effort to keep the memories alive. Saludos desde la ciudad de Valdivia, Chile.

[@bombie1138]

from America, Thank you 1420

[@SledujCestu]

You need more subscribers. Well done.

[@seanpatrick1243]

1:26 “Social guarantees were ensured!” Unless you happened to be in Ukraine. Willful ignorance is bliss!

[@AndrePepink]

Ukrainan communist party was very strong. They forced people to learn ukranian

[@seanpatrick1243]

Ok Vlad. No one is going to take your two month old account very seriously.

[@No_war23]

Мдаа, убийство миллионов людей Сталиным, это ну ошибка была, но он не виновен, он государственник хороший. Ужас, что в головах?

[@maestro6458]

вроде же миллиардов. Нет?

[@VladDraculator]

Смотря с кем сравнивать. Тогда время было тяжелое. Везде. Ну однозначно он психопат с множеством диагнозов что убил миллионы людей. Для его масштабов деятельности это было не существенно. Это дико звучит. Но он наверное думал примерно так.

[@joschie75]

I think Daniil is an excellent reporter. He asks smart questions and follows up very well on answers. He makes people speak out what they truly think even though the topics are often sensitive and answer might even endanger them. He appears honestly impartial to people and he is just able to show the reality in Russia in times when almost no one is doing real journalism there anymore. He is able to paint a realistic picture of Russian psyche. I am always impressed. Keep up the great work and stay safe.

[@michellhuber3397]

Some of these videos turn my stomach. The willful ignorance of these people is astonishing. My grandmother barely survived her exile to Siberia and saw so much misery and death. How was she an enemy of the people at 15 years old? The Russian policy of invasion, plunder, repression, and murder is why most of the world hates their “motherland.”

[@AndrePepink]

The west is not most of the world anymore.

[@kvintersvinterz]

If anyone is interested, here is what was written about the famine of 32-33 in the textbook when I was at school in Russia in 2000 - “The extermination of livestock, the ruin of the village through dispossession, and the complete disorganization of the work of the collective farmers led in 1932-1933 to an unprecedented famine that affected approximately 25-30 million people. To a large extent, it was provoked by the policies of the authorities. The country’s leadership, trying to hide the scale of the tragedy, forbade mention of not in any media" This is what is written in the new Russian history textbook now - “In 1932-1933, famine broke out in Ukraine, the North Caucasus, the Volga region, Kazakhstan and other regions of the USSR. It was caused by the consequences of collectivization errors - a reduction in the number of livestock, the seizure of grain intended for sowing - superimposed on crop failure from unfavorable natural conditions. In 1932, the collective farms of the grain regions were unable to fulfill the task of delivering grain to the state. From famine in different regions of the USSR, from 5 to 7 million people died. At the same time, the famine did not spread to large cities, the cities were better supplied, and the peasants with the introduction of registration and passport system it was forbidden to leave their places of residence"

[@WangAiHua]

Yes--And Stalin PURPOSEFULLY and ARTIFICIALLY created the Holodomor to destroy the Ukrainian people! A translator recalls that at a meeting with Churchill and Roosevelt Stalin was asked:--You seem to have had a bit of a problem with the Ukrainians? Stalin answered by raising the ten fingers of his hands!--He said--"You can't just deport so many--it would only have been moving the problem".

[@maksim05makarov]

Жаль, что когда ругают новый учебник, никто не сравнивал его со старыми. Прекрасный пример что новый лучше.

[@freikorpsdamonisch8127]

@@maksim05makarov да, особенно разделы о "древней Руси", где уже прямым текстом воскресили имперскую версию: русский народ триединый, из великороссов, украинцев и белорусов. Так и пишут, вчера читал. Учебник 2012 года, дополненный в 2014. питун готовился к "воссоединению разделенного народа" довольно давно, как видно.

[@roman-from-Tambov]

​@@freikorpsdamonisch8127как бв у нас нет нового учебника по истории за 6 класс

[@freikorpsdamonisch8127]

@@roman-from-Tambov я не думаю что это 6 класс, оканчивается он эпохой Ивана Грозного. И довольно сложно написан. Если не будет лень, укажу автора и издательство. Факт остаётся фактом - концепция триединого народа русских, от этого большинство нынешних бед.

[@AngloSaks666]

Mattvei either didn't understand the question, or chose to completely ignore it, or has such paranoia that any question about Russia somehow has to be juxtaposed in contrast to the 'West', although this question had zilch to do with it.

[@WangAiHua]

Question: "How is life in RuZZia? Answer--"That is a provocative question!"

[@itsjohndell]

In izvestia there is no Pravda, in Pravda there is no Izvestia. Amazing how even after 70 years people are still afraid of Stalin...