Rust Is DOOMED: What comes NEXT?

[@Reksmore]

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[@goldenaussie4748]

Wtf are the flavours 😂😂😂😂

[@OleDirtyMacSanchez]

The Unreal Engine is better and less costly than Nazi Unity any Day and every Day of the week.

[@SLJB8]

This is heartbreaking honestly. Rust is my all-time favorite game. While I only have about 1800 hours over the last 5 years, there's no other game that comes close to it in my eyes.

[@Reksmore]

10k+ hours. since 2014 Jan. It's literally my passion, my job and my entertainment

[@mischievous7129]

Wayne Gretzky says you're a pro now @ 10k hours. @@Reksmore

[@Khozeee]

@@Reksmore i have 800 hours over about a year and i absolutely love it in my freetime. i cant stand this unity crap! WE WILL WIN

[@ToJaJackus666]

What i can tell u i have so close 8k h xD

[@deality]

​@@Reksmoreit will die. Or move to unreal and finally get better performance or it goes to cryo engine like hunt showdown.

[@cattameme]

You should've added a list of all the games that are using unity to help show the magnitude of this.

[@Reksmore]

That's a good point, I was just primarily focused on the impact to rust but it's 100% a massive issue

[@RTS0413]

Agree would be great to do!!

[@jackhuyevich3479]

Hearthstone 😂

[@CrunkMiens]

Cuphead Hollow Knight Hearthstone Cities Skylines Escape from Tarkov 7 Ways to Die RimWorld Among Us Rust (Obviously) to list a few..

[@Reksmore]

It's so sad to see greed fuck things this bad. The future impact on new games too...

[@Jwalk9000]

I think their best plan going forward would be to start pulling and breaking down assets and mechanics to port into a new game engine. *Cough* UE5 *cough*...

[@Reksmore]

idk what else they can do... even that is soooo much work.

[@Jwalk9000]

@@Reksmore just drop Unity cold, be open and honest with the community, we will totally understand. If a few other devs do the same then I'll make popcorn and we can all watch Unity crash and burn.

[@hypnotoad101]

@@Reksmore the UE 5 developers have made the hassle of porting less painful than other engines. I think it could possibly be the best decision they could make, having access to technology that would really help their games limitations on unity. Unity sort of played themselves here.

[@barryallen5507]

​@@hypnotoad101the pot of greed tempts all.

[@GetFitEatRight]

I really want to understand Garry's reason for not using it in the first place.

[@bryanandhallie]

As a game developer myself I've had this happen to me with other APIs and engines. It is heartbreaking to take a service at face value and then be let down 2 years down the line to learn they are either changing their payment plan (cough cough unity) or shutting down services without releasing the service open source. Gone are the days when we roll our own engines, and that is a GOOD thing. What we SHOULD be rooting for is open source

[@ryguy8805]

Only thing you’ve developed is hiv from your bf

[@SPVCEFVCE]

Godot is free and open source. Check it out if you haven't before, I'm making an ARPG on it rn. It has good 2d and 3d capabilities.

[@jozwaters1388]

This should be illegal on soooooo many levels. A company should not be able to change a product you already own and then charge you again for it. Devs paid for a specific product delivered in a specific manner for a predetermined and agreed upon price. The company unilaterally saying "give us more" should be considered a form of extortion.

[@Reksmore]

I don't see how it isn't. It's literally a bait a switch

[@unnamed2737]

It is bait and switch. They could bring them to court.

[@adox8574]

Unfortunately, because it has been sold to them as a license, it is legal. That being said, the ethics are extremely questionable and this shouldn’t be legal when the product you have been selling someone for the past 10 years is the root of their business.

[@georginacook1850]

@@adox8574maybe if all the game game developers banded together they could take them to court? If they win they could make history and prevent it from happening in the future

[@adox8574]

@@georginacook1850 Courts don't legislate or make laws. They make rulings based on current laws.

[@RzPunishEm]

I read the article about it. Its only like 10 cents per install and the rust president and devs said it aint gonna affect them much

[@Yodeed]

The game is too good to be true… now they may have to turn to big corporation marketing based greed machines who will ruin the game as soon as they get their hands on it : ( I sure hope that Facepunch isn’t forced to selling out.. or else it’ll be extremely sad to see the best game ever made fall.

[@chainreaction8977]

I'm fine with Unity screwing themselves with this, but only for new games, not ones already existing.

[@justsoicanfingcomment5814]

I just bought rust this year... So now a game I bought is only gonna exist for about a year after buying it.😢

[@Tommy_Toughknuckles]

As the digital age develops they will surely incorporate instances such as this into the definition of "Bait & Switch..." the engine has very high-dollar clients who can only guarantee the high-dollar status because of the contracts they've agreed to

[@kingtimmy88]

When I hit launch and try to log into a server it takes 30mins-1hour to load the world

[@airdronenorway]

Wish they could swap over to Unreal Engnie, better business model and better graphics especially with the new engine. I'm sure there is some other games coming up in future in same genre as Rust, with a different engine of course. But to be honest, to every problem - there is a solution.

[@GetFitEatRight]

Its 100% the direction they're looking to go, but it sounds like its going to be marketed as a new game, so I'm hoping they refocus what they want rust to be and come out with something amazing. Because right now it a little all over the place. We also need a larger collection of random spawning monuments. Like a legit huge collection of procedurally generated monuments. The cookie cutter dome here, gas station here... its getting really stale.

[@aaronash8571]

Ue5 whould be much better , better optimization , high end gpu finally could use their potential to the max

[@McBlammy]

I think unity is going to walk this back and rethink it, not that that will fix the giant trust problem they just created, but I don't think the end result will be that bad.

[@Reksmore]

Thats the best outcome imo

[@fr4me.01]

best outcome 100% is Facepunch contracts with a different engine or makes their own.@@Reksmore

[@mari0auseva]

No they don't. Look at who is on charge of them and his history. And even if they do, developers are not trusting on them anymore. If I were a dev, I will never use this engine just in case

[@McBlammy]

@@mari0auseva I could see them surviving if the ceo were to resign or something along those lines. It might take something like that at this point.

[@Blackwellink20]

It's extortion if you really get down to it, What's to stop unity from abusing this system themselves to selectively price gouge across many games effectively allowing them to print their own quarterly income to whatever they want it to be. (logical extreme to the system and their "just trust me" proprietary software gambit)

[@Blackwellink20]

Retroactively telling people they owe you money on a product they purchased from you is certainly the stuff class action suits are made for. (they have already paid them for using their services the agreed upon contract amount based on their earning) but what I'm implying is if they base it off installs technically we're assuming no malicious behavior from the company. If they can't track certain aspects correctly there's nothing stopping someone from forming a VM ware setup and -reinstalling the game and repeatedly raising the amount owed by unities dubious metrics.

[@8enchy]

lets hope rust 2 has the old recoil system and sounds

[@Auguur]

A lawsuit is the only thing that may stop the corporate scum.

[@chris101ward]

I was thinking the exact same thing. Every developer to use the unity engine should band together and start a class action lawsuit.

[@eminentthethird5926]

My main account with $600 worth of skins was hacked and banned from rust and I can’t sell them now, can I sell them after this goes down?

[@codygaudet8071]

This breaks my heart, Rust is my one true love.

[@danielgustafsson1589]

Feels like fearmongering atm. Why would facepunch studios be in "panic". This isnt going to happen.

[@ff7ivan]

the man said "Rust 2", TAKE MY MONEY.

[@crimsonshadowx6]

it time for them to make there own engine and give the big middle finger to unity

[@willkelly7963]

thank u for using tommy frags in this, i frequent tommy frags and feel like the Frags Arena is a completely under played mini game opposed to the whole bedwars idea.

[@Reksmore]

I love tommyfrags it's such a fun break from regular rust

[@willkelly7963]

@@Reksmore Hope we can capture the objective together one day! My in game is Metard, say hi if you see me in the lobby !! :]

[@druskee2380]

Reks who came up with the light saber mod??? It's some of the most fun I've had in a while

[@dom_acer]

I don’t even want rust 2. I feel like the game will be “modernized” in movement, realism and changing the core aspects of what made rust so appealing to us. So simplistic but so In depth in ways to play. I wish they could find a way to “move” the game from one engine to another without having to create a whole new game that I don’t see ever topping the excitement and nostalgia the original 10 year old game brings us.

[@toozigooti]

They're not going to let Rust die. They're already working on solutions.

[@poop8867]

But that isn’t a good title for a sponsored video

[@realAlpha]

ive been supporting rust for a long time now buying every dlc and the skins i like weekly, i hope they can find a solution

[@Reksmore]

Same

[@Tales-gu2wy]

Rust is not a survival game

[@MyheartisaFedpost]

​@@Tales-gu2wyyeah huh, it's like 1% survival lol

[@stixinst5791]

​@@MyheartisaFedpostpeople are nature....u are surviving people

[@CampCrystalLake]

This sucks but so many things need improving with Rust anyhoo change is (probably) a very good and overdue thing. Unfortunately it means it will take that much longer for real and necessary changes to come to Rust since they'll have to start over with a new engine.

[@digiacomtech5589]

For those of you who haven't been follow Unity and the most recent developments, they have rolled back their initial plan to a kinder gentler version. Though the damage is perhaps done (they have tipped their hand once again) , Unity's new plan isn't as bad as what they initially released a few weeks back. Only question now is, will that be enough to regain developers faith in the engine, or is the downward dive unrecoverable? All in all, it' seems like a classic case of "How to kill a Game engine in one easy step." ... and this wouldn't be the first time this CEO has killed a company (can you say EA?)

[@Jwalk9000]

I 'd'ucking hate the rental/subscription, "you don't own what you paid for" BS... In Every damn industry!!

[@Reksmore]

Rust wouldn't have been like this if it wasnt for unity! We have no idea whats to come now..

[@Jwalk9000]

@@Reksmore oh, yeah, no beef with rust. It's a dog sh*t sandwich they, and every dev that uses Unity, is getting served if Unity follows through with this. It's strait up short sighted corporate greed.

[@JudivineOfficial]

I think if they brought back old recoil everyone would be on the same level. I tried playing old recoil and couldn't even spray 200+ m anymore.

[@GamingStepByStep]

Man I have no idea how you said that particular brand of gamer sups without cracking up lmao, well done

[@mitchellsheppard2998]

Did the rust develops only pay 2000$ a month to unity? That doesn’t seem fair to me if so

[@Spare_tire]

Even if unity doesnt go through with it, rust developers are most definitely leaving unity once they get a new engine themselves.

[@turkeyboy5543]

I see a lot of people in the comments asking why they don't "just switch engines" to unreal or something. The answer is simple, it takes time. They could potentially have to pause updates for multiple years while they work on transitioning from one engine to another. It's why Terraria announced they would be making Terraria 2. It was easier to just start making a new game from scratch than it was to switch game engines.

[@infinitysrustplace9263]

I have had my best time in online games by playing Rust. This is a very sad message.....😢

[@Reksmore]

It's not one I ever wanted to say and I hope that I'm wrong and things turn around. I'm 10 years in. It would suck to lose rust.

[@king124kine]

the game will be fine

[@infinitysrustplace9263]

@@Reksmore I played it since legacy. And I found a lot of good friends in it, I improved my English. I had so many funny, lovely and epic memories of this game. It would be heartbreaking if this ends now.

[@claudiarogall5083]

me too, is the only game i ever play and have spent thousands to get a better pc, for the sole purpose of playing this one insane game.

[@DonKeecock]

@@king124kine you don't have any proof backing up this statement though.

[@ronnie7100]

I rage quit rust for 5 years but ironically never uninstalled. Got a new pc and obviously I had to, this blows

[@Nicarus81]

Make Rust 2 on a different engine. Will buy immediately.

[@TegraZero]

all these unity game devs should unite and create their own open source engine

[@JZGreengo]

I’ve spent tons of money on that game, I bought their newest skins you can’t put on the market and deleted the game, I love the game…

[@MrTweeTy]

Imagine rust in the latest unreal engine.😏

[@fv4202x]

then unreal does the same thing

[@MrTweeTy]

@@fv4202x They all will, it is inevitable. The GFX and VFX will be insane. Now imagine rust in the latest unreal engine.

[@JuggernautICBM]

Why use unreal when you can use Unity?

[@fv4202x]

@@JuggernautICBM lol, cuz "new pricing"

[@darkopz]

Gary has already said the cost is not a problem. It’s the morality of it that he has an issue with. Then he mentioned Rust 2

[@Reksmore]

Right that's all covered in the vid

[@barryallen5507]

Maybe it is time for Rust 2.

[@bachmed00]

​@@barryallen5507 Nah bro, keep it original and keep upgrading the game.

[@barryallen5507]

@@bachmed00 its so full of cheaters that rust was dying long before this unity announcement

[@matejkuka797]

@@barryallen5507 yes yes yes....rust is dying... they telling me this like 5years nonstop :D i play since 2016 and that game is only bigger and better...cheaters are in every game you cant do nothing about that...even Valorant with best cheat engine cant defend game from cheaters

[@NopeRope84]

So would this have an impact on console players? I see Unity when I start up on PS5 but I’m not sure that it runs in the background

[@clocket_iscool]

I’m really scared as I’m not sure if rust 2 will flop or not and i literally just started getting addicted, it would be a shame if it flops.

[@Beauclairian]

i propose a solution, unity team vs rust team pvp match inside rust, winner takes all, if the rust team wins they now legally own unity and bend it to their will, vice versa

[@brennendergeist8796]

Adobe billing department enters the chat...

[@ORIGINAL4D]

What plugin in am i watching

[@MrKriptt]

lets grow that seed: Source 2

[@sharkgaming1427]

noway are we actually gonna lose rust bro i can't stay alive without rust i have been playing it since 2017 like please we all have to do something about it , like this can't be real bro

[@Reksmore]

We need to make unity regret their choice

[@sharkgaming1427]

@@Reksmore im down to anything that will help facepunch to keep up with rust, why don't all the big youtubers talk to each others and plan something and we all can help to f*** unity and let it be exactly how it was before

[@7k-pj4yh]

Get a life lol

[@denizc3318]

They can build Rust 2 with a new engine next time. Facepunch already announced they might actually go this route. Rust won't die.

[@mennnok]

I’ve also had to reinstall the game because EAC kept complaining. If this happens to too many people they’ll go bankrupt.

[@cheefkeeflol]

Havent seen the video but its been a while since ive seen one of ur vids. Love them and still love you. Keep it up

[@netunooog]

2021 was Rust peak. But there are still more people playing rust today then in 2022. Also the game has tripled in popularity compared to when the game was still being worked on super hard in 2014. Were today games highest player counts are typically launch week and thats it. Rust is complete opposite, We wont see this game die in next 5 years or so probably longer unless some major changes take effect. If im not mistaken no wipe days for servers are still something that will come, but that was planned for when the game was way more finshed. So im hoping they have a ton of stuff still planned. Im very happy with what they have done with last few meaningful updates. Even the camper no one asked for. It was pretty cool. Also why does this game not have as much as idk csgo players then? Well thats like comparing eft to call of duty. Eft is another really old game that had its player count peak during covid. But sadly theres spiked way more down becuse cheater scene messed with people hard. Eft felt less like a acarde shooter espically after inertia update. Csgo no prep time unless you warm up. Cod just sit on couch or desk and run it. Rust can be like that maybe not sit on couch. But it can also be pain (also cheaters), which normal casual cant stand everyday. Sad eft had so many dumb decisions when dealing with all the cheaters they accumalted. All my brothers and myself played cod and csgo growng up. Im the only one who has every played rust. Its not for everyone. But its the game that these people needed, that are willing. I do wish some servers espically vanilla facepucnch took degenerate behave a bit more serious. Becuase the only thing im actually sick of is kids telling me to kms after pvp them once or twice. Or grown adults/kids being racist. Basically if you want the xbox live experience still in 2023. Just play rust.

[@wannabelikegzus]

Rust sells on the order of about $500k in new skins every week, and I'm pretty sure just had a $10M payday with these new building skins they're dropping. They've only got 50 employees for the entire company, with total revenue of about $80M, and the player base is very active I don't think Rust is about to fold. Unity on the other hand.... To me, the big thing is that Unity changed the terms. The impact of the change doesn't really matter. What matters is they've forced devs to re-think their own business model to make sure they can support Unity's change. The Rust devs have openly stated that Rust 2 will not be done in Unity. I expect an exodus to occur.

[@Th_GuVnOr]

Bro stop. You know how many friends I got to download Rust just because I was playing it and wanted them to play with me.. that’s crazyyyyyyyy

[@Reduxonnabeat]

If it wasn't for that combat update, I probably would be upset and stressed out right now.

[@philipm1896]

Should a paint supplier charge an artist for each look people give of a painting they made, even after paying for the paint ?

[@t.r.2283]

Wait till all the people that want revange on blizzard realiee that hearthstone is a unity game and they go nuts on them with installing over and over again

[@natetheviking3990]

the end of an era, but the start of a new on that could potentially be better. i hope all goes well though

[@Noneyabiznez1209]

With all the updates i wish there were different maps. Like a jungle map, urban city/ subdivison/farm land map, dessert/ mountain map. With item and building skins that match the area. I mean ark did it, even dayz has multiple maps. Just to be able to not only switch servers but a differnt experience. Wouldnt mind paying per map install. Could be a way for rust to generate money in a comsumer friendly way.

[@MRBOXly]

RUST 2 yes! If its like cs2 upgrade from rust 1 to 2 BIG YES!

[@J16179]

Is it time for rust 2?!??! Let’s get it. They should completely come out with a new game new engine.

[@fv4202x]

dont expect it soon

[@baska-]

Oh mama, if they follow CS2's steps, my skins are gonna value even more 😍

[@SirCrediblee]

Double eleven has been doing a lot of work in the gaming industry right now I doubt they are going to forget about the farm!

[@RNGdrink]

Thanks for explaining properly I did not get the whole fuss about rust 2 until now.

[@littleking2565]

What if all the game devs that use unity make an open source game engine, like Blender but for games, call it 'Unified' lol.

[@thecrazyinsanity]

godot

[@Doubleday86]

@@thecrazyinsanity I love godot, but trying to make Rust in that engine as of now is in my view not feasible at all. Would be nice if larger game studios started sharing their internal plugins and tools, combining it into the godot package though.

[@ThouArtOfWar0724]

There should never be a cost for updates because its a full priced game that we paid for. If it was free then yes but no we paid money.

[@Polygonlin]

Didnt Unity walk this back?

[@avehudyermaw1]

Another quality video you will be hitting 100k in no time keep it up love the content

[@Reksmore]

Appreciate it!

[@wyattfluck8517]

Would we get to keep our skins that’s all I care about 😢

[@helpfulfox2789]

I have altered the deal, pray I do not alter it further

[@cn7520-r]

Unity probably upset games are making far more money than the programs used to create them do.

[@bradleybrewer9576]

It isn't possible to monitor for abuse of this if the user also reinstalled Windows or Linux and then installed the game because the PC will get a new random name every time you do this to prove my point even if you have signed into your Gmail on the PC before if you use 2factor you must reauthorize the same device because it will think it is a totally new device

[@USER_S4V4NT]

damn iv seen this happen to worlds adrift when they built it off proprietary tech, and it was also unity which banned that service on top of the source code of the proprietary tech being copyrighted which made the game truly dead, its a shame that games are at the mercy of the engines they were built on when the engines should be at the mercy of the devs who use them.

[@Robbo705]

I must be missing something , game published that run on software that isnt owned by the game designers of course should be paying software engineering for the use of that software ,plus a fee that kicks in after 200k in 12months should be paying in my eyes , if they dont like it make your on engine and stop using the nabours electricity

[@ants7279]

No Taxation without representation this is exactly that Unity has gone mad with power!

[@RichardCurrie]

Probably won't impact too much. The already pay monthly for devs. Its not like this is the only monthly recurring expense

[@clarkmeyer7211]

It's not all doom and gloom. This unity change has made given facepunch a reason to make rust 2 and as far as they have said it won't be on unity. Probably on unreal which will make it run quite well in any case and now we can expect to see a new game entirely. That being said unity has walked back their business model pricing but they unfortunately can't walk back the trust that they lost from developers new and old. I think rust is actually about to get even better than before with the release of rust 2 it's just a matter of time.

[@GenXSkeptic]

They rescinded the change. If the devs are smart they would already start development in unreal 6

[@Reksmore]

Agreed. Can't unring the bell

[@Golden_SnowFlake]

Unity's CEO and the other executives were insider trading, They are not going to be doing this, they will walk it back. This was a Rug pull, which will hopefully be swiftly punished.

[@nuclearsummer7796]

They should rewrite rust in the rust programming language using the bevy game engine as the foundation. It only makes sense to make rust in rust

[@ProjectRealFilms]

Unity walked back their claims, not like anyone is going to trust them anymore now though.

[@NoobDeSupreme]

This aged well

[@xBucket13x]

this is the Stamp Act all over again. the 1700's The act required the colonists to pay a tax, represented by a stamp, on various forms of papers, documents, and playing cards. It was a direct tax imposed by the British government without the approval of the colonial legislatures and was payable in hard-to-obtain British sterling, rather than colonial currency.

[@NizzyLD]

if i lose a 10k+ rust inv due to this im over this game shits gone downhill fast

[@verxyrust]

i agree if i lose 2.5k usd im pissed

[@family_adventure23]

i was thinking and can be RUST2 on Unreal 5 engine? and all RUST1 players would get RUST2 free or huge "sale"

[@DevilesEye1088]

Some of us have 10k hours …. Maybe they should switch to Unreal engine. Imagine how amazing this would be .. ya it would be different but we will get used to it

[@tjl102]

I could rage install my game now... id have to do it a bunch but i think that over time i could cost a company more money than they got from my game, just from spite for actions from a player in there game. As a human i might figure out how to make a computer program that just installs the game enough cancels it then restarts the download to automate it, then i could scale it up. This is worse than the steam thing that everyone technically got/is getting payed for. I smell class action.

[@trustablerolin]

Facepunch already made his money... We will see soon what he decides, he won't lose anything.

[@TheDuTcHBuilderonRust]

Go figure that a company becomes more greedy with time

[@MotorJoe]

is there another company besides Unity?

[@Donwanted_]

UE

[@Private.Willie.Stroker]

Tbh facepunch has been killing rust more and more the past year with every update..

[@Doubleday86]

player count begs to differ

[@dirtpoorchris]

I tried getting in to Rust man but the core mechanics are made to kill off the new playerbase. Its all tryhards killing noobs because if you dont kill the noobs they just get strong enough to get bombs and hit your base.

[@0631ix]

Pro tip: Playback at 1.25 speed

[@cullen6138]

Well this would be problematic because of hackers getting on their new Ruski account after bans. Guess it costs them $ now.

[@froogleislive]

I'm sorry Reks but that was the WORST ad seques I've ever heard 😂

[@snoweh1]

Thanks Gary for giving Adobe the idea to charge per image viewed. Ah who am I kidding I've been pirating PS for over 20 years makes no difference to me.

[@IGameAsShiva]

That’s depressing 🤦🏽‍♂️ everybody go on strike against unity

[@fr4me.01]

Sad. Maybe Rust 2 can pull some CSGO2 vibes and keep the skins we've invested in... I'd love to keep buying skins knowing that Rust 2 will accept them.

[@LordAnubis85]

Developers: Create a pay-to-win model for games to squeeze more money out of players. Unity: Creates a pay-to-win model to squeeze more money out of developers. Developers: HOW DARE YOU

[@ynnda6155]

=> forces devs to be even more scumy

[@NothingBootz]

Why and how are some people so good at destroying trust.