Rwanda, M23, and the battle for DR Congo’s Goma | The Take

Bodies are lining the streets of Goma, and hospitals are overwhelmed after an escalation in the long-simmering conflict in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC). The Rwandan-backed M23 group claims it took control of the city, and the DRC has called it a declaration of war by Rwanda. But why is Rwanda involved and what are its interests?
In this episode:
Kambale Musavuli, Analyst, Center for Research on the Congo
Episode credits:
This episode was produced by Ashish Malhotra, Sonia Bhagat, and Chloe K. Li with Phillip Lanos, Spencer Cline, Hagir Saleh, Hanah Shokeir, Melanie Marich, Noor Wazwaz and our guest host, Kevin Hirten.
Our sound designer is Alex Roldan. Our video editors are Hisham Abu Salah and Mohannad Al-Melhem. Alexandra Locke is The Take’s executive producer. Ney Alvarez is Al Jazeera’s head of audio.

[@mirlomill5233]

I don’t know why I see this Army called M23 is more professional in everything they’re doing 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@patopatrick258]

Once you have the real reason to fight the rubbish government none will stop you

[@Djdimeja]

I love them , so disciplined that Congolese army M23 should be army of Congo as they are Congolese

[@zitongwang6278]

M23 .... M- stand for match and 23 stand for the date , match 23 is when this group launched its first attack .

[@umugara]

Discipline and fighting for the lives of their loved ones while the DRC army is fighting for the interests (Money) of their officials and European companies that pay them and because of that they dont have even a loyal army, and when the low ranking soldiers try to fight for the rights of their people they are killed by their own generals (read the story about the commander who was killed for 15,000$ by his own generals because he refused the army to loot the people who were under his batalions control)

[@groupupsouthafrica]

It happens when you are funded by Europe and US

[@charlylusamba]

This man is stating so much facts, it’s just unfortunate that most people don’t accept truth easily hence why some people are dismissive to his comments

[@Ducedaily]

So he stated there are many human rights groups in goma yet countless children working dangerous mines.🧐🧐

[@BandihaiThomas]

Bro where are the facts there. If he can't even bring himself to the fact that the Congolese state has contributed to the predicament the Congo finds it's self in. For him everything that is wrong about Congo is caused by outsiders . Like when will Africans start to take responsibility for the demise of this continent..

[@kingkeeper99]

Let us blame others and colonialism from centuries ago for our own present faults as victimhood will ALWAYS be the easiest way to gather populism via indignation and brush off criticism against government ineptitude and corruption...

[@nzitandung]

Your hero here avoided to tell how and why some congolese citizens fled to refugee's camps abroad when others are slaughtered and even eaten daily insight of Monusco the UN forces.

[@Viviyana1994]

He is being unfair towards M23.

[@elishakiprotich4979]

We have leaders who they don't care about her people, instate of solving the problems of her people they blame their neigbours. PEACE

[@amandaxoxo_2024]

@elishakiprotich4979 you never will get it. Look at history. Rwanda always started Congo a long time ago for no reason jealous of DRC congo we are richest people that hate us want to fright us

[@sazicyma]

@@elishakiprotich4979 i love the Congo I like there music but until they live the coloniser job and take m23 as Congolese they will fight and lose every way. Pan African spirit is against them

[@FredBKagame]

100%

[@amandaxoxo_2024]

@sazicyma Amen, so tures ❤️🥰

[@emmytafsiri9928]

This guy is not telling the truth. Most people you invite, why can't you ask them a question like this: M23 is composed by young people from East DRC who have been living in refugees camps for 30 years across the region, why congo doesn't resolve a problem of those refugees and those who are being killed, burned and eaten because of their tribes? They can't give you an answer. What they bring on table is: Rwanda is supporting m23, why they can't tell the root cause of the conflict.

[@ipyanamwaisekwa8209]

So you are telling the world that finally refugees are fighting against the government that gave them a place to stay and establish themselves? You are misled by misleading people from the truth based on the history and all the events that have been happening for 30 years now. We all need peace since people are dying and not stupid comments and accusations, which resolve nothing.

[@SoulUpliftIgnitingInspiration]

What you actually described is what M23 is doing to congolese

[@SoulUpliftIgnitingInspiration]

South Africa has refugees who have been there for 20+ years and does not easily give them citizenship and waits to kick them out one day should things in their country change. DRC should have adopted the same law.

[@emmytafsiri9928]

@@SoulUpliftIgnitingInspiration did you answer my question?

[@emmytafsiri9928]

@SoulUpliftIgnitingInspiration can you show us any refugee camps in the Democratic Republic of Congo? You have to educate yourself, Congo has no one to kick out. Those who are supposed to be ckicked out are helping the government to commit the crime of eliminating innocent citizens because of their tribes. Congo government is associated with a group genocidal from Rwanda. How can you resolve the conflict if you are denying some citizens' rights of existing.

[@lovesafariify]

We are people that lives both in north and south of Congo and for you guys to dedicate the whole show on minerals instead of the people is telling! They are people that have been displaced for last 20 years and I don’t hear any discussion about it

[@nonsoaniamaka]

It's unfortunate when journalists already support and propagate a specific narrative while carry out their professional work. I am surprised there is no mention of the accusations against DRC for the persecution of Tutsi's in DRC. I have been searching for a wholistic perspective to this issue. But most journalists these days are simply frontiers of one predetermined perspective or the other. They never ask questions that would give any sort of credit to the other perspective. We can't solve humanity's problems this way, polarizing ourselves against ones another. I believe journalism should be based on truths irrespective of which side gets hurt, and not merely a professional tool to front predetermined perspective and political agendas.

[@vivamsimango3604]

According to you, why is this conflict happening, and causing to much chaos, including displacement of Congo citizens? What is the real reason, according to you.

[@niwamanyatrevor4645]

M23 are Congolese fighting for their rights

[@M.I.B_cpt]

Congolese doesn't look like those M23, M23 looks more like Rwandans!

[@kayumbacyrus4961]

@@M.I.B_cpt So Citizenship is determined by looks?

[@M.I.B_cpt]

@@kayumbacyrus4961 not really, but that is also contributing to the possibility of them being Congolese or not, because at this point they don't have any proof of them being Congolese citizens.

[@bang8534]

​@@M.I.B_cptI like your joke😂😂😂

[@bang8534]

@@M.I.B_cptit's reasoning like this which is responsible for the conflict. It's the same reasoning from tshisekedi who has never won any election in DRC. He has been rigged in twice so far but he has been allowed to stay because he is willing to sign off Congo's wealth to west. We all saw this in davos the other day with western vultures all around him salivating

[@franciscarmuveta7019]

When will Africa support their own first.... We should not be each other's enemies.... We need to stand up for Africa first... Africa should not be used by western world to fight each other to benefit the western world or Europe. Africa let's be our brother's keeper. Stop the war.

[@boydmatshayi6288]

Ah, man…this makes my heart bleed, I feel helpless as an African. Sitting in Zimbabwe, I support this Man’s thoughts and how we need to think and move as African…

[@TruthIntel]

Discuss the real cause of the conflict and not about mines and minerals and who is supporting who. Congolese Authorities need to tell themselves the truth and solve the ethic problems in Eastern Congo.

[@pearls1626]

The mineral is the cause of all these!

[@jjmbcongoafriquemonde7903]

Why since 1885 until 1996, the time Kagame and Museveni invaded the DRC and plundered resources and in the process killed millions of Congolese, why all these people had peace and prospered. It is no secret that many Banyarwanda actively oppose Kagame, believing that he has disrupted their peace. Many have publicly stated that he does not represent them and should not involve them in his destructive agenda.

[@dreamealityabraham_dacruz5055]

Where is our army (DRC), and why are they not capable of pushing back the M23 rebels? Corrupted government and lack of self governance in the DRC that's the problem. Once we solve this issue and then we can deal with other issues.

[@Kapa_sound]

@dreamealityabraham_dacruz5055 could be lack or funding and resources. The West needs DRC to remain destabilized so that they can continue to take minerals at a fraction of the price from Rwanda

[@Johnniedallas214]

UN is part of the corrupted crooks I hope the youth take their country back from the foreign funds militias and agents

[@makongorowassira6593]

@@Kapa_sound We need to stop this behaviour of blaming foreign countries for our problems. We should hold our leaders accountable.

[@tonybrighter3878]

@@makongorowassira6593 So Many Problems Indeed

[@fabianmusefano6402]

I have few observations. DRC is too big for Kinshasa government to govern. DRC is a creation of King Leopold, so most congolese don't have a sense of patriotism/nationalism. This is illustrated by how Congolese soldiers are willing to give up so fast on battlefield. This is also why Kinshasa has to recruit mercenaries because people from Katanga for example don't feel like the people in the east have anything in common. Patrice Lumumba wanted to create a national identity like the one Julius Nyerere created because Tanzania is also a country that was created by colonials but Nyerere was able to create a solid national identity with Swahili being a cornerstone. Unfortunately, Belgium wanted to continue to exploit Congo even after the country got independence, so they used Mobutu to get rid of Lumumba who did not want to have anything to do with Belgium. The timing was also bad for Patrice because of the cold war. To Americans, his policies sounded like Soviet Union's. Therefore, Congo's lack of national unity and its rich minerals that are in high demand by superpowers are the source of its misery. People always talk about Congolese governments being corrupt. I don't think they are more corrupt than other African countries. They just lack of a leader who can connect them either by infrastructure or other means. Maybe one day, another Patrice Lumumba will emerge, but for now the country will continue to be a battlefield for different countries and factions. People might wonder why South Africa is making noise about the Congolese issue. Trust me on this, they are not in eastern Congo for peacekeeping mission as Ramaphosa says. They are there to protect South African mining companies. And my guess is that when M23 took over the area that includes mining sites, South African soldiers tried to fight and in the process some of their soldiers lost their lives. I hope Ramaphosa has a good explanation to the deceased soldiers' families. When will Africa learn to solve their problems without killing each other?

[@andrewbadejo4716]

Congo is for Africa first, all African countries should support Congo.

[@georgedaniel8823]

Congo is the most currppted country on earth

[@jaygon5472]

​@@georgedaniel8823who eliminated lumumba???

[@dym6464]

DR Congo is a weak nation the republic of Congo is more stable then the mess the DRC is, they won’t have troops mobilised for months to send over to goma because of the dire state of infrastructure in the Congo!

[@fanfanKatumpa]

​@georgedaniel8823 like your father teached corruption in CONGO 🇨🇩. 😳😳

[@dearbrave4183]

​@@jaygon5472Mobutu (his best friend) and the Belgians. But without Mobutu the Belgians wouldn't have succeeded. They wouldn't have known his plans, whereabouts and how to corner him. So he is just like Judas he holds the greatest responsibility

[@Chibage-p1y]

Why do the people of Goma celebrate when they see M23?

[@Djdimeja]

M23 are liberators and born there in Kivu , so they have to be happy for the brothers

[@stevenmuvunyi7142]

So Al Jazeera invites sb from Congo and not someone else from Rwanda to balance the conversation? And you all expect an impartial narrative?

[@Aalliiiq]

You have just exposed the truth as Rwanda has been claiming they absolutely have no part in this but the the truth just came out of your mouth.

[@25eyal17]

@@Aalliiiq is this how you projection works? You seem very biased man, the guy is talking about Rwanda and Rwandans shouldn’t explain themselves? Why?

[@Aalliiiq]

@@25eyal17no the truth just slipped out of his mouth that he associates M23 with Rwanda otherwise why would you say the very same thing Rwanda is trying so hard to deny. Could it be the allegiance of the Kinyarwanda have now turned towards Rwanda. They diligently collect taxes and pay Rwanda they obediently mine for them. In these 30 years their identity could have changed it’s a possibility. Re-integration of displaced groups of people can constitute a national security threat. I would only be in favour of re-integration after de rwandafication camps and schools are built. The fault is of Maputo who stripped them of their citizenship.

[@25eyal17]

@ you just someone who clearly is from far away and don’t know the underlying cause of this conflict First the eastern congo is 80% ethnically Rwandan for hundreds of years those Rwandans have been extremely killed by the Belgians and congolese of the west due to their allegiance to Germany which left them after the first world war loss, this went on with banyarwanda people marginalised and now divided ( after the Belgium take over of Rwanda all banyarwanda people were divided in three ethnicity: hutu,Tutsi,Twa) when we say banyarwanda we also include the barundi people because Burundi and Rwanda are actually the same people the difference is that the colonizers made sure that when they gave Burundi and Rwanda independence which at that time were one country, they made sure Burundi government was tutsi and Rwanda was hutu to create two different countries which is what happened. So that division went on and in Congo it had no big impact as banyarwanda people(barundi) of congo were a minority and had a vast territory for them to not necessarily fight This all ended when the tension between the two ethnic group(hutu and tutsi) erupted after years of killing in burundi and in Rwanda. the genocide of tutsi happened with involvement of Burundian Hutus too who had freed burundi during the massacre of Burundi an Hutus too by the tutsi. So after another the genocide was stopped (by RPA a Tutsi rebel groups that time) the majority hutu went in congo and some continued to kill and displace the tutsi banyarwanda of congo which is why to this day the conflict is not solved and would result in a mass killing if people don’t stop the hate. As even today the country I said m Rwanda, Congo and Burundi are still the mostly involved

[@Aalliiiq]

@ That is not the point. You're litigating what happened in the past. The colonialists left under Mputo who refused to acknowledge them as Congolese. The issue as of now is the M23 rebel's mission to integrate with the current population. They are fighting for their rights and want their land back. Unfortunately, Congolese society is not ready for this it has been about 30 years they fear that M23 will go through the route of retribution and feel they will be discriminated against just like how they discriminated against them.

[@afrosaxon1806]

It is really sad that this whole interview was void of substance. Historical, current, and future. He never (1) Acknowledge the fact that M23 (Banyamulenge) are Congolese, (2) That the very Congolese govt had brought in mercenaries and arm twisted (bribed) couple of African Govt forces (Burundi & SouthAfrica) recruited well known genocidaires (FDLR) to basically exterminate their fellow country men and women based on ethnicity. Rwanda has over 200k Banyamulenge refugees because of this never ending conflict. All over Western media they bring in a Congolese sympathiser to beat on the drum of 'Blame Rwanda,’ with no rebuttal from the Rwandan side. All these discussions are premised with 'blaming Rwanda' and in the process loosing the core basis of the problem. What about the butchery of the Congolese of Tutsi tribal affiliation? The discussions always circumvent this catastrophic humanitarian issue. Yet when M23 choose to say enough is enough, all of a sudden it is Rwanda that is causing destabilisation in the Great Lakes. This issue will never be solved unless the DRC govt agrees to have M23 on the table to have serious discussion, (instead of through the barrel of a gun), about assimilating it's own country men/women. We know how and why the western media through the 'drum beat' of their govts play these Machiavelli machinations. As Africans, proud Africans, we need to search ourselves very deeply about how we learn to respect, trust and engage each other. I respect and trust the Rwandan govt. They have consistently displayed, by words and definitely by deeds, actions that warrant my utmost respect and trust. 🇷🇼🇷🇼🇷🇼🇷🇼🇷🇼

[@FtmE129]

If Congo doesn’t want Congolese speaking KiNya Rwanda then will be balcanisation , because is their Lands 😳

[@espyofficial5728]

U miss the point that M23 are congolese fighting for their rights, don't be biased

[@umutesiwinnie-r8b]

Why and how has Rwanda been positioned at the center of this issue when? in reality, the core problem lies elsewhere? Whether Rwandan troops are in the DRC or not, the more pressing question remains: why is M23 fighting, and what are their demands? Instead of fixating on Rwanda’s alleged role, the DRC and the broader African community must critically examine the root causes of this conflict and seek a comprehensive solution. Addressing Rwanda’s stance alone will not resolve the crisis. Shouldn’t the international community also turn its attention to other regional actors, such as South Africa, Burundi, and Tanzania, to ensure a balanced and fair assessment?

[@nyamburaadventures_ke]

So sad.I honestly feel for the innocent Congolese civilians.They are such a hardworking lot

[@kingpauljoel6827]

Rwandan agents under this post are pathetic,since 1997 several rwandan back militias did commit alot of crimes , millions of Congolese lost their life,rape , displacement, looting of congo minerals ahave been rampant. Congolese tusti are recognize as full congolese by our constitution, despite being less than 1 % of the population they had prominent role in our government, army and police force, unfortunately some of them behave as rwandan proxies and spies,this situation one day it will backfire

[@kayumbaJeanPaul]

Who is agent of criminals FDLR?

[@SoulUpliftIgnitingInspiration]

@@kayumbaJeanPaul Hutus

[@eric_senga_rw]

It's crazy how you focus on stating that Rwanda support M23 but you don't focus on the reason why M23 are fighting in the first place??? M23 are congolese that speaks kinyarwanda and they are congolese according to the border that we inheritated from colonization cause they lived there for generations and they have been hunt for like 30 years now. so they are fighting for their freedom and all right to their country and it's the responsibility of Government of DRC to give them that or otherwise the war won't stop

[@sibomanaemmanuel1831]

Be blessed Rwanda 🇷🇼❤️

[@antoniomoretti9099]

the fact that kagame supports zionism tells you everything you need to know... being the victim of genocide should never be weaponized to commit genocide

[@Johnniedallas214]

He is evil dictator

[@bernardthuo2455]

I don't support Kagame at all but where is the connection between Zionism and conflict in Congo or Kagame

[@X-pw6vx]

@@bernardthuo2455lol all over the place.israelis are balls deep in rwanda and their state security infrastructure. Wake up buddy. Btw it’s not just Rwanda- they control a lot of mil tech buying for Ethiopia etc too. But seriously - when Kagame said he gonna genocide ppl to prevent another genocide in Rwanda you didn’t click? lol

[@antoniomoretti9099]

Israels top export? Diamonds. The number of diamond mines in Israel? 0. Look up billionaire Dan Gertler and others have been sanctioned for illegal mining in DRC. Kagame, like the Zionists he supports, has weaponized his identity as the victim of a genocide in order to arm and fund genocide, destabilize the global south and steal resources for the west.

[@antoniomoretti9099]

Who is billionaire dan gertler, where is israels top export sourced from and what is kagame’s relationship with genocidaire netanyahu?

[@Shola_Transcend]

Smart and articulate guest.

[@famnd460]

Minerals deal with a country that doesn't have minerals 😂😂😂...Cry me a river.

[@neola7184]

Use Google-it’s free-and stop embarrassing yourself on the internet.

[@alexchinyamam2226]

The Take should have also taken the perspective of the M23. What is being addressed here are the effect of the war and not the causes of it. To resolve this issue, the causes need to be seriously looked into....no matter how uncomfortable it will be.

[@MosesLukamaNdona]

This researcher is saying the weaponry the M23 are using are not from Africa hence Rwanda supplying them. What kind of analysis is that as a researcher?

[@Ciciczi]

Leave Rwanda alone western country should leave Africa alone

[@Lindoh.Magubane]

This guy is biased...what about Rwanda....what about their experience and what about their nightmare. Rwanda has the right to protect itself against another genocide.

[@dreamer27-h8k]

Within their sovereign borders, yes. Get out of Congo.

[@M.I.B_cpt]

That Genocide that happened in Rwanda was caused by Paul Kagame to gain power as president!, read your history correctly.

[@ipyanamwaisekwa8209]

If you are brainwashed, you can see anything from his statements and information he has provided

[@Patrick66M-p]

@@M.I.B_cpt if you still think like that you have a lot to lean about history you can do better than that

[@rubz869]

@@M.I.B_cpt and where did you get that information from? The genocide definitely did not happen because kagame wanted to be president. Educate yourself before making your self a embarrassment

[@sazicyma]

M23 has the right to buy help any where as Congo is paying for Romania to fight for them

[@maserekabennet-ow5go]

Thanks Kambale Wethu

[@nkundahoga7998]

Why don't you ask about the inhuman traitement of Congolese Tutsis by the Kinshasa government? A good journalist asks questions on both sides in the conflict

[@Rwungo]

@@nkundahoga7998 Congolese Titsi are umbrella. Rwanda is using them as a shield but the reason for all of this is Congolese minerals. Rwanda working with USA, France, UK and other western countries to steal minerals.

[@aderitoofumane3577]

​@@RwungoYou are right. But if Kinshasa government accepted their brothers Kagame would not have the excuse. Facts you call Tutsis from Congo by Rwandans not Congoleses...

[@dearbrave4183]

​​​​​@@Rwungofirst of all those minerals also belong to Tutsi Congolese because they are on their land, they are the indigenous of Goma. You seem to forget that. The entire Goma has Rwandan names for everything, You cannot claim as only or fully yours what only became under congo thanks to the Belgians while excluding the descendants of indigenous Tutsis who inhabited those lands, the original owners. This is unjust and greedy from your part. The world may be accustomed to dispersing indigenous people to claim their territory but this time it won't happen. Barbaric history will not succeed. So this is why it is absurd for the owners of the minerals, who are the inhabitants of those lands, including the indigenous (Tutsi Congolese) to fight over their own minerals, because they don't have to. All they need to extract minerals is get the necessary licences from the government and begin the work. The problem here is bigger and that is they are being denied rights in their own lands and divisive Congolese are harming them, stealing from them and dispersing them. M23 is a counter defense of those indigenous who have had enough of seeing both the government and the average Congolese mistreat them. If the president can't enforce justice, fairness and human rights for all congolese. Under M23 rule all of those things will be enforced. Also it's so arbitrary that congo despite having multiple languages is only fixated on the Kinyarwanda speaking tribe. This is deliberate and disingenuous

[@Rwungo]

@@aderitoofumane3577 These Tutsi are Congolese. They became refugees like anybody else in Congo. They have been there since 1800’s. Why the issue came when Kagame is on power? What really gives him excuse to invade the sovereign of other countries?

[@Rwungo]

@ The reason of this war is very well known. It is not about indigenous Tutsi. It is about minerals. USA, UK, France all want them and yes Kagame agreed to work for them.

[@nkosiphilempofu3798]

The most underrated rapper on earth 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 todays Tupac

[@malerashid6685]

M23 are Congolese not Rwandaness stop confusing people.

[@maitakhole]

This is the clearest explanation of the conflict in Zaire

[@hintu2990]

😂 not Zaire

[@sibomanaemmanuel1831]

M23 are Congolese who need peace dialogue for them to survive in their country in peace.they have been being hunted for 30 years.

[@notevenbones]

now what happened 30yrs ago for them to be in Congo and hunted?

[@AnthonyMakamure]

The people are not stupid they can not run to their attackers , something is off here 😏 And Why did the DRC president refuse to attend the emergency meeting to end this killing 😢 ?

[@opolotphilip9615]

This guy is deluded!! And this is why most people dont take Aljazeera serious! This is historical. M23 are congolese

[@njokesteve5246]

@@opolotphilip9615 Congolese rebel group backed by Rwanda

[@HAPPYKUPUZA]

@njokesteve5246 do you have proof do know what does M23 means

[@X-pw6vx]

Sanction Crystal Ventures

[@dantatadangote]

Great podcast 👏🏿

[@kevinn.7376]

It's fair to say the analyst being interviewed is biased. The issue in Congo is complex but the media is obsessed at reducing it to M23 and Rwanda. It is much broader than that and dates back to many dozens of years ago. I advise people now hearing about this conflict for the first time to find KZbin videos explaining the root causes of this conflict and draw their own conclusions.

[@TheSassiassi]

@kevinn.7376 thank you for that information I.

[@jamesmanda6959]

We could hav heard all side of the story

[@ManOfSorrowsAcqaintedWithGrief]

Sad that Mamadou was murdered. He was the only passionate strategist and fighter for the government of DRC.

[@kgodishorachuene6110]

Why is the break when the guy is talking where weapons are produced

[@balemwamba5666]

God bless you Mr Kambayi...

[@MosesLukamaNdona]

This researcher's thinking is very shallow

[@georgedaniel8823]

This is the most one sided interview....no push back. Terrible job by Al Jazeera!

[@trza100]

These are facts! Cold hard facts!

[@mozubmang5966]

Keep on hiding or ignoring the cause of all of this : The hatred of congolaise towards their tutsi telling them to go back to Rwanda when they are full congolaise ,slaugthering them by thousands since the indépendance .

[@user-zb4tw5cy9h]

Thank you South Africa 🇿🇦

[@tealsquare]

Uganda has troops in Iraq & Afghanistan? That's news to me 😂😂😂 Leave Uganda out of this...we made peace with Congo and are hapilly paying our $65m annually in reparations.

[@akiikighoussy6057]

😂😂,

[@pierrebukasa]

You don't have to be an expert in geopolitic to understand the root of the conflict in DRC. Rwanda is working for US and EU to get the mineral from Congo. Rwanda is export more than 150 tonnes of coltan every month.

[@olivierniyo7023]

I didn't hear anything about killings of kinyarwanda speaking people, DRC refugies in Rwanda, FDLR

[@Kiringomwanamboka-tb4sz]

Dear Kambale Musavuli you are from the Nande tribe! Are you sure you are impartial in your analysis of this problem?

[@trza100]

The fact that Rwanda is funding rebels to fight in another country is enough for action to be taken against Rwanda to be honest. If Rwanda had legitimate issues with Congo then why not take it up formally instead of funding rebels ?

[@Edison.m3806]

Why does MSM always "forget" to mention that M23 are Congolese, yes they are Tutsi but they are Congolese Tutsi's

[@quintonjoseph7927]

@@Edison.m3806 Tusti originally derives from Rwanda? Are Tutsi refugees that live in the Congo for many years? If so how are they Congolese? This feels more like infiltration. For example if i was a country and i planted spies in your country to blend in act as if their one of you for years until we activate your purpose in this war and that’s the creation of M23. I’m ignorant to this and I don’t know anything about this war but I’m asking you this to really comprehend what’s going on.

[@Edison.m3806]

@quintonjoseph7927 Bantu's originate from Central- Western Africa yet they are also found in the Southern Africa. Does that mean....... You know what? I won't entertain your convo. You're right, my bad.

[@quintonjoseph7927]

@@Edison.m3806 I said I don’t understand I’m reading and watching fake news about it. I just heard about this travesty a hour ago now I’m going down a rabbit hole. I said I was ignorant on this topic.

[@patelM7307]

Paul Kagame has signed contracts with EU to supply critical minerals. Unfortunately, Rwanda does not have these minerals and hence Paul Kagame's war against DRC. Congo will never have peace with this criminal in power.

[@DAVIDBOXTV-v6x]

Rwanda located in great lakes region all territory are the same as congo in our country we have minerals in the land of all parts of the country and also we have petrol this is the truth we don't stealing mineral in congo the problem can solved btn Congolese people and m23 are not Rwandan these people are Congolese fight for their rights full stop ,the world to day is an arrogant.

[@X-pw6vx]

Sanction kagames company Crystal Ventures

[@lamberthfiston9137]

Are you sure dude😅

[@micopascaline6505]

If Rwanda is backing M23, and the people from Eastern Congo are at peace right now,i think the whole world should back Rwanda to maintain Peace.

[@henrycherutich6260]

M23 are Congolese not Rwandese,get it right😊

[@thesixth2330]

What a surprise, the issue is the US...LOL. This man is speaking lies. There were over 35 nations in Iraq and NATO was in Afghanistan. Ugandan and Rwandan soldiers are deployed by their nations. How condescending that this man thinks those soldiers serve at the behest of the US. Rwanda does support M23 but the US sanctioned Rwanda last time it supported M23. M23 are not Rwandans but Congolese fighting for their rights against corrupt leaders in Kinshasa. Yes, Rwanda takes a cut for weapons and training but M23 is a Congolese movement, not a Rwandan one... Just another Al Jazeera hit piece against the US. No matter the issue, if it's on Al Jazeera, it's the USA fault... BIAS anyone?

[@olivierniyo7023]

But Goma wasn't secure before the arrival of M23

[@Patrickka32]

RDF troops never deployed to Mali, that’s a pure lie. A Rwandan officer led a UN mission (MINUSMA) in Mali

[@M.I.B_cpt]

This man is actually stating facts!

[@Etrix664]

Facts???? Which facts, he's raiding on the same narrative of we are victims of the Rwandan government when the biggest cause of the situation is corruption and incompetent leadership in Kinshasa who have ignored and mistreated the Easterners for ages despite exploiting their land to the core.

[@ipyanamwaisekwa8209]

100%

[@edreezyforreezy]

M23 are not Rwandans. They are Congolese. If someone is supporting genocide perpetrators, Rwanda will never support them. Rwandans understand that there is no room for ethnic segregation. Listen to those who have segregative thoughts. They have no good intentions for Africans.

[@georgekumakanga717]

This would have not happened if Col. Mamadou was alive. Keep resting in power warrior 🪖

[@enockrukundo1118]

This time ~ the international community can understand why Rwanda had to put in place strong defensive measures to safeguard its territory! A cocktail of blood-thirst militias combined with European mercenaries and rented armies from SADC & Burundi-all pointing guns in one direction…! Any serious government would have no other alternative but to defend itself!

[@LewisMushotaBilolo]

The M23 is a Tutsi rebel group originally from Rwanda and supported by Rwanda that is why Kagame supports them. Very well explained Mr Kambale. You know all facts, Rwanda causes confusion in the DRC.

[@agbeseochima9154]

You don't know the truth. That land belongs to the Tutsi people of Congo. When the Europeans were dividing Africa expecial King Leopold of Belgium he cut some of the Ethnic people of the Tusti people to Congo and some to Rwanda. It's painful the world is not looking at their cry. The interviewee is bias. Can a militia just go to a land and starts claiming a place. That's their ancestral land. People, I pray you all do your research and understand their plight and fight for their land and for them to be seen as equal among Congolese even if they are minority tribe in Congo but their clans men across the boarder in Rwanda are among Majority with the Huti tribe.

[@FtmE129]

Try to learn History since colonial & learn Geography plz Don’t just fly ✈️in Top and win 🏆 😳

[@niwamanyatrevor4645]

Yr atypical liar

[@niwamanyatrevor4645]

M23 are Congolese fighting for their rights

[@pearls1626]

@@niwamanyatrevor4645Nope

[@FredBKagame]

Why DRC support FDLR Terrorists? & You complain that Rwanda support M23!

[@AlbertBormant]

The Congo truly is a pathetic giant. At this point, you cant just blame previous colonization for it's current failures. Other previously colonized countries like China, India, or Brazil have done very well over the past few decades. Internal problems keep Congo poor and weak.

[@jaygon5472]

liar.. when was scramble for India?? or scramble for China? Nigeria drowning in debt b/c 70% of bank reserve must be delivered to EU..

[@AlbertBormant]

@@jaygon5472 India was colonized and carved up by the British. Some say the Brits took multi-trillions of dollars from them in natural resources. China was colonized not only by the West, but even more brutally by Japan. They refer to it as the century of humiliation. Nigeria is certainly not doing great, but still better than the Congo.

[@jaygon5472]

@@AlbertBormant lies.. when was scramble for India? or scramble for China? entire western hemisphere combine to invade?

[@AlbertBormant]

@@jaygon5472 All of the Western powers, Russia, as well as Japan took part in colonizing China. This happened from around 1840-1940. The Chinese refer to it as the "Century of Humiliation"

[@jaygon5472]

​​@@AlbertBormant are u attempting to compare the century of humiliation with scramble for Africa and conference of Berlin??? are you not well?

[@maureenkayesu2375]

Why are you talking about rwanda supporting M23, why not congo supporting FDL

[@enockrukundo1118]

Rwanda was the only country in the world to sound the alarm on the recruitment and use of European mercenaries, by President Félix Tshisekedi of DRC, in total violation of a 1977 OAU Convention and a 1989 UN Convention. Neither the UN Security Council nor the European Union, let alone the countries of origin of these mercenaries, ever condemned the outsourcing of this war, by the Government of Kinshasa, to these "barbouzes". Following their defeat and the fall of Goma, the mercenaries fled to a MONUSCO compound, where the UN peacekeepers protected them. And their governments requested Rwanda to facilitate in their evacuation, through Kigali, which was accepted.

[@rajahua6268]

EU buddy with Rwanda has gone too far!! Then again, DRC fails to share the spoils with Tutsi which they had promised.

[@2musime]

`9:07` You lied and seems you miss information. M23 have never been FDRL because FDRL are the Tutsi Genocide committers who flee to DRC East after RPF lebrated and stopped the Genocide against Tutsi during 1994. There's no relationship in both M23 and FDRL, Instead FDRL stayed with it Genocide ideology of killing Survivers of Genocide and it is now collaborating with the Army of DRC which is not fair and may trigger tendency for Rwanda Army to support M23 why not?

[@Ogole-oye]

This issue will never be fully understood and well represented by west Africans, South Africans or Westerners...it has to be an East African perspective. Goma is also access to the mineral rich region. The UN and all they so called peace keepers all work in Goma. Let's also keep that in mind. This idea of weapons as evidence is a bit shaky, any group with resources can find them on the black market. How many weapons disappeared from ukraine?

[@X-pw6vx]

Just sanction Crystal Ventures it will be fine

[@seema_rahmani]

Whole world think about only mineral but not about Congo people who are facing the problem for many decades 😔

[@AnthonyMakamure]

I for once don't understand something here or should i say something is fishy. DRC government is not telling the world the truth, why am i saying that ; M23 is rebels which is not from Rwanda but they're DRC people. If Rwanda was the cause of this war , WHY is the people from the affected town of GOMA running seeking shelter/ refugee in Rwanda . We saw DRC soilders surrender weapons and Rebels are in charge of the town but Government of DRC is denying this information WHY . Rwanda might have interest or benefits after or during this fight BUT i think on my opinion they've nothing to do with this. This fight is about tribes and territory among DRC peoples of which there's same tribe of people of this in RWANDA thus why Rwanda is being mentioned here .

[@FredBKagame]

You're talking about M23 but yesterday we saw media conference AFC(Alliance). What AFC mean to you? My advice to invited guest is to conduct research & join AFC/M23. We have 200 militia groups in DRC... Why M23? FARDC should disarm FDLR, Rwanda will be out of this conflict.

[@Zed_the_art_of_milkway]

Haha Aljazeera funny as always !

[@yusufmwangichannel6692]

And why are you watching their news? There's CNN AND BBC you can watch

[@otieno2030]

M23 are Congolese, they are fighting for what is theirs

[@urbandevelopment4762]

You always say about minerals in Eestern DRC, these people of DRC are poor than any one in this world. How can it be the mine profitable to Rwanda while DRC people are extremely poor? Again, he is not mentioning the persecution, citizenship denial, and oppression of the Congolese Rwandophone in profit of the genocidaire who fleed from Rwanda in 1994 and continue to spread the Ideology of the genocide against Tutsis. Citizens of Congo are denied and are refugees fleeing armed groups supported by the Government of Kinshansa. It is absurd to advance minerals while people are very poor in DRC. That's a pretext.

[@X-pw6vx]

Sanction kagames crystal ventures company

[@lamindahaba4944]

M 23 is a congoles group fighting for their citenshep rights let Cagame be he is the best and smartes prisedent in Africa

[@movenchawira3553]

The person interviewed is totally biased. Why are m23 fighting DRC government, why is the kinshasa government denying them voting rights.

[@pearls1626]

Why is Rwanda protecting them? Because they are benefiting from the minerals?

[@LarissaTolmatcheva-l5b]

Why big country such as DRC lost a battle in Goma? It was no answer

[@petersonludoviko5007]

M23 is a Congolese movement fighting for their own survival in Congo as other Congolese communities.

[@sazicyma]

Before I hear the take please try to give us a well balanced take. The person u have on is Congolese and one sided

[@theupwardlook4703]

Congo being in the middle of Africa was supposed to benefit the whole of Africa with its rich resources... unfortunately these riches attracted many foreigners and they country has never known peace in recent history...its a sad story for not just Congo but the whole of Africa...and to learn that Rwanda is assisting in the destabilising of DRC for their own benefits is so so disturbing

[@pearls1626]

That is true!

[@umugara]

why does this conversation not include the real reason why M23 exists and the Nyamurenge who have been under attack by the Congolese government and why did attacks to them started when Congo found the Eastern minerals

[@FtmE129]

KAMBALE his corrupted Guy He can’t says nothing of truth 🫢

[@fannyadventurehub2789]

This Man is lying. M23 are kinyarwanda speaking based in DRC due to colonial borders. They ended up on DRC site

[@ngogakevin5765]

This is so biased, why you don’t ask about hate speeches supported by Kinshasa leadership? All on records.. Why not asking about why Kinshasa doesn’t accept Kivu Rwandaphones as Congolese but support they killings?

[@zewisdom4822]

Why do you think Rwanda is involved? I am not familiar with what is going on there and I never heard about those groups before. I just come across them Just today. But I am suspicious of you for keep saying Rwanda is involved with confidence while both Rwanda and M23 denied it.

[@jaygon5472]

Africa must deposit 70% of bank reserve to EU due to conference of Berlin treaties.. whist being mocked for poverty.

[@rocktower7412]

@@jaygon5472 really? Plz explain?

[@jaygon5472]

@@rocktower7412 francophone and anglophone colonies

[@潇霏]

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[@TsietsiMotsoto]

m23 is Rwandan and Ugandan backed, history don't have blank pages

[@kayumbaJeanPaul]

@@TsietsiMotsoto who backs Fardc? M23 are the Congolese whatever you you will feel them

[@sylvesterheza7736]

@@TsietsiMotsoto True history does not a blank page. The trouble is : you do not read any of them!!! Please read, if you can , the history of the region from the 1530s. Including the 1910 treaty on the region. You will know that you are 100 % wrong

[@niwamanyatrevor4645]

U r sick ....read history? M23 are Congolese fighting for their rights

[@mirembehaawa-z2t]

Very true 😂 Uganda must be having m23's biggest share

[@niwamanyatrevor4645]

Then you need to go back and red history very well

[@albertkadyakale]

They're not Rwandas they are tutsi Congolese

[@DigsWigs2022]

Conflicts in Africa need sober minds, truth and reconciliation. How can natural endowment be such a curse.

[@YouGoLearn]

Rwanda will pay for this

[@JamesOmoro-m6m]

Are members of M23 congolese or rwandans?

[@lamberthfiston9137]

You gays you are confusing peaple pls stop nonsese m23 are congolese not rwandan

[@dushaneweasley]

Rwanda at it again good lord

[@davidphiri2442]

M23 rebels are Tutsi living in Congo. They Congolese not Rwandese. They are fighting to be treated just like other Congolese people. Colonial borders created this problem.

[@gerafi]

Stop being MISLEADING people, Here lacks depth and fails to address the root causes of the issue. Instead of skimming the surface, provide a comprehensive analysis. How was M23 formed in the first place? What were its motives? Why did the DRC government resort to hiring mercenaries to fight fellow Congolese? What about DRC's Gov working with FDLR which committed Genocide against Tutsi in Rwanda back in 1994? Go beyond the headlines-discuss MONUSCO’s role, including incidents where they have been accused of killing people fighting for their freedom. Shed light on SAMIDRC’s unclear mission and provide a well-rounded perspective that allows followers to grasp the full picture. Otherwise, your approach risks being biased. Strive for a more thorough and balanced analysis next time, Kevin.

[@Djdimeja]

stop killing Tutsis in the Congo especially mulenge people in kuvu maybe this fight will end there’s no way you can denied someone’s rights because of how they look. The Congolese government killed my two cousins just because they look Tutsi now the m23 is fighting back because they have been marginalized for many years. It’s hasn’t been about minerals maybe now. In the Congo there’s a lot of xenophobia and tribalism like no other place. Pray for peace