THIS WEEK IN AUSTRALIA [98]

[@michaelfink64]

Hi Ryan, regarding the Ferrero Roche one, the issue is not that it was $30, it is the deception of the whole half price thing. The Australian Competition and Consumers Commission has recently taken Woolies and Coles to court for misleading discounted pricing practices.

[@jenniferharrison8915]

@@michaelfink64 Actually it also includes the unfairness of disallowing access to other retailers by buying up suitable retail buildings and sites as well! Particularly Woollsworths!

[@judithstrachan9399]

I just looked up my Woolies app, that box is $18……

[@Calico235]

Americans: Wut Australian kids can’t use social media?! Meanwhile in Australia: Yeah, but at least we don’t still ban books

[@lillibitjohnson7293]

Kids can’t use social media. Not online actual facts lol ffs

[@infin8ee]

It's not going to happen for over a year at best . The "naughty" ones will still use sm and parents will deal with their children how they see fit.

[@jenniferharrison8915]

​​​​​@@infin8eeAnd there will be huge fines, more censorship and even jail time - but we will get more tax Income! 🤓

[@jenniferharrison8915]

Apparently sex books are ok, just not making new friends on Facebook!

[@andevaschacho]

Who bans books?

[@MattThomson]

For the people saying KZbin isnt going to be banned, it might be up to a very vague interpretation of the wording. If you go and look up the wording of how the actual bill was written it says things like: a service that allows communication between 2 or more users. A service that allows users to post content. Etc. any interviews with politicians claiming that xyz is either banned or not has nothing to do with the bill and how it is interpreted in the future

[@siryogiwan]

youtube isn't being targeted, they have said it in an interview, plus they already have things in place that prevents people commenting on kids content, all it would take is to add code to remove commenting for anyone under 16, when viewing all pages

[@awoodward37]

"... a service that allows communication between 2 or more users..." er, like telephones?

[@debster1073]

@@siryogiwan exactly

[@xDMG15x]

@@siryogiwanyou are naive to accept when a politician says “youtube wont be targeted” 1. Put the exception in the bill if thats the case. 2. That politician wont be in power forever, any future politician can choose what to target based on the definition in the law.

[@xDMG15x]

@@siryogiwanif i was elon, i would just ban all Australians from posting content and let the government deal with the backlash.

[@ianhopkins754]

With the Woolies and Coles pricing ,it’s not the supplier it’s them. Not only does the suppler have nothing to do with the price structure but they also have to pay a shelf space rent to them to allow them to sell their product so W and C are double dipping on the money they make on all these products.

[@overworlder]

KZbin is not counted as social media, so under-16s can keep watching you, Ryan. And it's not 'most of the internet'. The sites mentioned are Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Reddit and X. Edit: And TikTok

[@AzurePrower]

The biggest issue is, every Australian over 16 needs ID to use those sites.

[@overworlder]

@@AzurePrower - not regarding 16 yos watching KZbin. On id, the act says platforms must take "reasonable steps" to stop Australians under 16 from holding an account and they can't insist on ID as the only means of age assurance. Liberal-appointed eSafety Commissioner Julie Inman Grant will be left holding the hot potato on that.

[@roslynjonsson2383]

​@@AzureProwerAnd ? We already use ID for drivers licences, joining a library, bank account, internet banking and many other things. If you're doing nothing wrong on the net, then it shouldn't bother you one little bit.

[@robynmurray7421]

​@@AzureProwerSo what You already share your personal information including date of birth when you sign up with Facebook. Why is that a problem all of a sudden?

[@debster1073]

That won’t last long . The government have left it open to ban any social media app if they feel like it.

[@adammcnally1955]

Aussie in Europe here. The social media access ban on 16-yr-olds has gained a lot of attention here. There are long segments on popular talk shows. A big majority seems in favour of it. I expect this to trigger similar changes in the Nordics, then The Netherlands, etc.

[@PJRayment]

"There are long segments on popular talk shows. A big majority seems in favour of it." Not surprising on socialist-leaning countries. Freedom-loving ones, however, have a different view.

[@mitzee8621]

If you only watch content from a certain political perspective it shouldn't be surprising if their is agreement across that content. It'd be like only watching Christian broadcasts and concluding that a big majority are Christian.

[@adammcnally1955]

@ Yep, freedom from the social media giants.

[@adammcnally1955]

@@mitzee8621 I prefer to watch / read content which is presented as news and not propaganda. Love it the way Sky News or the Murdoch papers always tend to lead with “Australians are….or….. The quiet majority is…..”. Normally accompanied by an unflattering photo of anyone deemed left leaning. As if they have the finger on the pulse of the average Australian. Sure, there is a right wing in Oz, but it is small. Bit deluded, if you think otherwise.

[@mitzee8621]

@@adammcnally1955 All valid points, but you don't need to justify to me why you mostly consume news media from a particular political leaning. I was only pointing out that a consequence of doing so is that most of the sources will agree on everything. To expand on the comparison I made before, Christians likely prefer to watch Christian broadcasts, so they are more likely to experience the same bias of availability that anyone else would from mostly consuming media from a certain bias.

[@d1pstick32]

Hey Ryan, love ya, mate. If you ever try our snags on white bread, you'd understand. I've been to the US and can understand why you would think it's weird; but our white bread doesn't taste like cake, and is the perfect partner for a big, greasy snag. Take care and have a great weekend, champion!

[@helloshiny8475]

nothing better than a classic Tip Top bread.

[@d1pstick32]

@helloshiny8475 woah Mr Moneybags over here with Tip Top! Some of us can only afford Coles sandwich loaf :p

[@helloshiny8475]

@ I usually have the shitty $1.20 or $2 loaf for toast, keep it in freezer. i have spaghetti to baked beans on toast for lunch when i'm home, which is like every day Nov - Jan. and no income so brokeback mountain. but soemtimes i have the flash Tip Top. it's sooo much nicer. and I love Vogel's . Vogel's toast just with extra cold butter and marmite or Vegemite or honey is a great late night snack. we get free eggs but I'll on,y have them a few times a week. easy to get sick of eggs , but for soem reason so far I do t get sick of spaghetti.

[@JimmyJupp]

Hi Ryan, I've commented on three other videos you've posted about this social media ban that KZbin is not included. I see many other people have also mentioned it in their comments on this video. I really hope you read the comments before you discuss this topic again!

[@gayledb62]

he seems to be only focusing on those who have no idea.

[@competitionglen]

Happy for my 12 year old to sit next to me and watch stuff on my accounts, and control what she sees. I want her to keep her innocence for as long as possible, too much bullying out there.

[@seachangemix6702]

Good on you !

[@debster1073]

Good least you are being the parent. The government are trying to take parenting out of your hands

[@jenniferharrison8915]

Good luck! There will be fines and possible arrests for non compliance, your ID will also be required!

[@weasel73]

@@debster1073 is porn being restricted to over 18 or R rated movies also "taking parenting out of your hands"?

[@bumble-g2j]

People take control of their kids TV viewing. The books they read. The activities they encourage. Protecting kids is only natural. The internet is as toxic as any danger kids face outside of social media. Let's deal with the details.

[@afs5609]

a lot of people, those who have lost children to assholes on the internet, have pursued THEIR LOCAL MEMBERS to get this law in place, we have a different way of life in this country, we dont want this country turning into the mess the US has become over the last twenty years.

[@dethvyper3136]

Too late, Australia is one of the wokest lefty countries in the world, and we have become a Nanny State, and they want it to become a Police State. Australia's "way of life" as you put it, is pathetic. This new law will be a big waste of taxpayer money just so the government can expand it's Nanny State, and continue to "Boil the Frog. We are drowning in laws, and they almost NEVER get rid of old outdated laws. I suppose you support the new "Thought Crime Law" and think it's another great addition. We don't even have Free Speech in the Australian Constitution. The Australian government has too much power and control over the people, and it's only getting worse.

[@debster1073]

Why didn’t you just take the phone out of their hands. Why would you sit there and let it go on. Now government wants to parent everyone’s kids all because people can’t be a parents and switch a machine off or take a phone away.

[@jenniferharrison8915]

@@debster1073 Yes, it's totally a Parent's responsibility, not an underhanded socialist dictatorship's! We will also be scrutinized and censured now through a digital ID!

[@PJRayment]

"we have a different way of life in this country, we dont want this country turning into the mess the US has become over the last twenty years." Who is "we"? I, for one, don't like the mess that this country has already become over the last twenty years.

[@mitzee8621]

I don't like the mess this country is turning into. Not one bit.

[@gold4leaf]

yes, the Aust government passed the law, but it will probably mean EVERY person in Australia will have to prove their age regardless if over or under 16 with a digital ID, unless we use a VPN

[@lillibitjohnson7293]

We already have to to do our taxes or receive any benefits at all. So what’s your point?

[@justsimplysue9276]

China here we come. This is the start of Digital ID. It will start here then move on to social credit scores etc.

[@MellyGoodrock]

😂😂🤦‍♀️​@@lillibitjohnson7293

[@hershalkrostofsky825]

The legislation itself explicitly prohibits this.

[@xaviergriffith]

​@@hershalkrostofsky825actually no it doesn't. It prohibits social media companies from asking for ids like licenses.

[@annetownsend5888]

The ban is only for social media that requires you to create an account and sign in. You tube doesn’t require you to create an account. The government isn’t banning kids form using the internet. It’s to stop bullying and grooming of vulnerable kids.

[@aussiegruber86]

It’s to kick start the digital ID

[@roslynjonsson2383]

​@@aussiegruber86crap - we already have digital ID in Australia, and if you're not doing anything wrong on the net, then it shouldn't bother you one little bit

[@debster1073]

@@roslynjonsson2383and you are an idiot. Go live in China or Russia if you want the government to control you. Wake up. Your the problem and people like you.

[@xDMG15x]

@@roslynjonsson2383who gets to decide whats ‘wrong’ on the internet? The typical government playbook is to institute a system that enforces a law that most people agree with, and then change the definition of that law. You heard of the patriot act? Make a law that targets terrorists, most people are on board, change the definition of terrorist. Create regulation that allows vaccines to be approved under EUA, change the definition of vaccine, reduce the safety testing requirements for your experimental gene therapy product.

[@cootsunihatesyou]

Funny you mention groomers when most politicians are 🪨 🕷️

[@bblake5116]

When your boy is older you will understand. Also, it doesn’t affect KZbin so your wage is safe

[@anthony-po4ho]

funny thing is porn sites aren't included

[@Maxiakt]

Your complete ignorance is embarrassing

[@AURON2401]

Best thing is there's probably already an override hack for this anyways, so the law is pointless. I know, i'm a programmer. We do things just that fastly.

[@AURON2401]

Also, this bill isn't for What kids see at all. It's for forcing sites to make users register in order to have the ability to post on their sites, thus, trolls can have post parties on 99 of all sites on the internet aaaaand it gets painful quickly.

[@xDMG15x]

@@AURON2401if you were a programmer you would know that its easily circumvented and you wouldnt call it an ‘override hack’

[@kirk5152]

@@anthony-po4hoYea because so many teens are getting emotionally abused and taking their own lives from watching porno.

[@overworlder]

The social media ban passed with strong support from the conservative opposition. we're similar in lots of ways with America, but we are also a different country in others.

[@None-y2f]

There's no conservative opposition, just a bunch of WEF puppets.

[@namikstudios]

It passed with the support of both the conservative parties - Labor and the Coalition.

[@overworlder]

@@namikstudios - win most seats in the lower house and then get back to me

[@namikstudios]

@@overworlder why do you think the Australian Greens are growing so rapidly? Nearly two million Australians now vote Greens and it's because of absurd nonsense like this from the conservative Labor/Coalition duopoly.

[@overworlder]

@@namikstudios lol. 40 years to get from 8% to 12%. If you want to form a government - like Labor - you have to get a broad coalition to vote for you. You couldn't even get the Teals to vote Green. Blubbing about duopolies won't help nor does Bandt and Chanlder-Mather's destructive tactics - Bandt now the most unpopular politician in the country. Greens went backward in the ACT and Qld elections. The only thing that matters is how voters vote. Your spite turns people off.

[@keiths1665]

Chill out Ryan, as previously commented on, KZbin is not effected. KZbin is not social media. So , breath in and Relax. Should have read the Full Article, yer?

[@wilsonperez2668]

Typical... Jumps before looking... 🙄😄

[@mitzee8621]

And who lied to you that it only affects social media? "An age-restricted social media platform may be, but is not necessarily, a social media service under section 13."

[@davidbent880]

Ryan don't worry You tube is exempt

[@jennyhenningham4100]

Associated Press says "Exemptions will apply for health and education services including KZbin, Messenger Kids, WhatsApp, Kids Helpline and Google Classroom." Australian Broadcasting Corporation and several other media companies say the same but government yet to release final details. Looks like Ryan is going to be fine.

[@justsimplysue9276]

They will be able to access Porn Hub though. They were not really serious at all.

[@jenniferharrison8915]

Haven't you noticed already how much censorship there is now on KZbin? Freedom of Speech is being attacked everywhere! It's socialist control! 🤐

[@LeanneAnderson-e5c]

Kids get stressed over some of the crap online.

[@jenniferharrison8915]

@LeanneAnderson-e5c Parents are supposed to educate them, offer support, and find alternative explanations and activities!

[@PatriciaMegna]

People sell snags at Bunnings to raise money for different charities or other things.

[@TA-wg9oi]

Hey mate. You have to understand that these under age laws reflect on having an account with Facebook, Tik Tok, Instagram, Snapchat etc. I don't believe KZbin is one of those. Too many young Australians are being subject to online bullying and some leaving us by way of suicide. Americans may think it's another restriction on our freedom yet we have curbed gun violence and that, we can also have a beer at 18!

[@seachangemix6702]

Exactly ! At least we are not banning books.

[@sungi7814]

I was only bullyed at school, never on social media. If they had taken that from me I would have no friends or happyness at all in my childhood.

[@PJRayment]

"we can also have a beer at 18!" I gathered you were talking about good things, not bad things!

[@PJRayment]

@@seachangemix6702 "Exactly ! At least we are not banning books." And who IS banning books?

[@None-y2f]

​@@seachangemix6702Plenty of books get banned. The Australian govt has been known to buy up all stocks of a book and destroy them in the 80s. Gotta rewrite history so it's acceptable.

[@KerriHastings]

There are so many Mexican restaurants here, I worked in one in Melbourne, my boss was Egyptian, 4 of the chefs are Indian, one of the chefs is Nepalese, 3 of the waiters are Kiwi (New Zealander), & the rest (2) are Aussies lol I also believe the under 16 social media ban to be a brilliant idea, & should’ve been done years ago

[@mariannekresse4957]

You Tube is excluded from ban…. Most of it relates to Facebook etc The laws, which will come into effect from late 2025, will bar under-16s from being able to access social media platforms such as Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Reddit and X. Exemptions will apply for health and education services including KZbin, Messenger Kids, WhatsApp, Kids Helpline and Google Classroom. One has to admit that the excluded especially Facebook and X are extremely toxic to young impressionable minds.

[@xaviergriffith]

Yet will allow them to watch porn without restriction. This ban won't protect children and to be honest, whether children look at social media should be a parental issue not government.

[@Sirawxy]

How are they gonna verify the age, because I don’t want to provide my driver license to create any social media accounts

[@AURON2401]

@@xaviergriffith This isn't about Children looking at Social Media, it's about Sites which force you to sign in order to access their material.

[@mitzee8621]

@@Sirawxy Technically it's up to the platforms to come up with a way. This bill just says the platform needs to take reasonable steps and attempt to curb common circumventions of those steps. The government will be conducting an age assurance trial "to inform guidance to industry on what age assurance technologies would be considered ‘reasonable’" You can see from this extract that they are expecting some sort of personal information will need to be provided on account creation: "Compliance with the minimum age obligation will likely involve some form of age assurance, which may require the collection, use and disclosure of additional personal information." However notably: (1) A provider of an age-restricted social media platform must not: (a) collect government-issued identification material; or (b) use an accredited service (within the meaning of the Digital ID Act 2024); for the purpose of complying with section 63D, or for purposes that include the purpose of complying with section 63D. UNLESS (a) the provider provides alternative means (not involving the material and services mentioned in paragraphs (1)(a) and (b)) for an individual to assure the provider that the individual is not an age-restricted user; and This means that you will have the option to not provide a driver license for age assurance. This is why they don't know what "reasonable steps" means yet. One option might end up being, providing a photo and AI age detection being used on the photo.

[@mitzee8621]

@@Sirawxy I tried to answer your question but my comment got deleted so here's take 2 with fewer quotes from the bill in it. Technically it's up to the platforms to come up with a way. This bill just says the platform needs to take reasonable steps and attempt to curb common circumventions of those steps. The government will be conducting an age assurance trial "to inform guidance to industry on what age assurance technologies would be considered ‘reasonable’" You can see from this extract that they are expecting some sort of personal information will need to be provided on account creation: "Compliance with the minimum age obligation will likely involve some form of age assurance, which may require the collection, use and disclosure of additional personal information." However notably: Age-restricted platform providers must not collect government-issued identification material. (Sorry this is way less informative without quoting from bill Unless: An alternative means of age assurance not using government-issued identification material is provided as well This means that you will have the option to not provide a driver's license for age assurance. This is why they don't yet know what "reasonable steps" means yet. One option might end up being providing a photo and AI age detection being used on the photo.

[@CAOwens-c9e]

Ryan, the law is because kids suicide after being bullied, and Paedophiles exploiting kids online, etc. If they stay off social media, maybe they can make friends from the real world.

[@Aaron_Hanson]

That’s what they are saying is the reasoning behind it. Truth is that it’s only the beginning of something much more worrying.

[@infin8ee]

It's also the data breaches. I hope that they are able to get something happening there like they say they want to do. Of course, the social media companies will fight it . Money is everything.

[@jenniferharrison8915]

It's not about protecting children, who need to develop critical thinking and resilience, it's about controlling our thoughts!

[@lillibitjohnson7293]

@@jenniferharrison8915 ffs Karen

[@SnowyRVulpix]

Mental health groups believe this would be quite bad for teenagers mental health

[@overworlder]

The property management segment was very funny 😂

[@judithstrachan9399]

As soon as it started, I was hanging out for 10:48. “Wait, what?!”

[@aussiemandy]

Ryan, if I'm remembering correctly, your child is still young. Living with a pre-teen or young teenager who is obsessed with social media & can no longer concentrate longer than a Tik Tok or who is so depressed & suicidal due to social media bullying is soul destroying. These are the realities of parents & teachers of today. As far as most Internet Influencer's being well on their way to stardom by 16 ... surely playing sport, hanging out with their real friends (as opposed to online faceless keyboard friends), trying out new hobbies, etc, is healthier than attempting to become an influencer at 16? And lastly, your whole freedom of speech & not banning stuff is exactly why your country can not sort out your gun issues, and ours can! I usually agree with most of your content & views but not on this one.

[@None-y2f]

Spoken like a true Aussie sheep who is unable to think for itself, handle freedom, or apparently to parent.

[@None-y2f]

Gn crime is.entirely dependent on demographics. Most of it is carried out by basketball Americans. We will see our crime rates increase as we get more of them.

[@judithstrachan9399]

I agree.

[@Willty1963]

Both sides passed the bill, no just one.

[@mitzee8621]

Yeah, lost all hope of either party representing me at this point. Starting to see the downsides of preferential voting, I can't not vote for one of them ):

[@namikstudios]

One side passed the bill - the conservative side of Australian politics - Labor and the Coalition. The conservative duopoly.

[@mistaflynn76]

Giving a 12 yo an iPhone with unlimited access to the internet is like dropping the Kid in Kings Cross on a Saturday night. Parents need to step up n not leave it up to Uncle Albo.

[@davidshannon8227]

Albo needs to go anyway , he is bad for our country.

[@nedflanders4158]

So you think the sale of alcohol to minors shouldn't be banned? As the parents need to "step up" and not leave it to uncle albo?

[@mistaflynn76]

@@nedflanders4158 nah, alcohol is an intoxicant and therefore needs to be regulated. The internet and social media is an integral means of communication in the age we live in, Good luck regulating it.

[@wilhelmredhood7296]

SM is not integral. I think you are confusing SM with the internet as a whole.

[@mistaflynn76]

@@wilhelmredhood7296 social media is how people connect and communicate in the modern age. Yup, There are creeps and weirdos in the world. Educate kids and be involved in their usage of the internet until they reach maturity.

[@bluedog1052]

Ryan, as a bachelor myself, I sometimes cook a heap of snags on the barbie, fry up some onions, butter some bread and that's dinner, especially, if I can't be assed making an effort to cook. I don't have kids, but I left X and facebook a long time ago and never had snapchat or tiktok, but all I see and hear is it's full of nonsensical bullshit of dumbass people trying to make a buck, plus the pedophiles, bullying etc so I couldn't care less about these platforms. Btw, my life has been so enriched without these platforms, and I think once the kids learn they'll be much happier too. Life is not living on your phone 24/7!!

[@infin8ee]

I agree with you about a lot of that but I didn't grow up with phones and social media, so I can't truly understand the pressure kids feel. I absolutely detest my phone and most times don't carry it with me. Enjoy your snags !

[@jwnomad]

Hope the bread is high fibre and seeds at least, otherwise it's really lacking nutrients. You could easily add some kale and fortified yeast flakes to give it a boost. As another bachelor I often do that with baked beans, eggs, kale and yeast flakes on seedy toast with some spicy salsa and cracked pepper.

[@bluedog1052]

@@infin8ee Yeah same, I didn't have a nokia 3110 until I was 19 lol

[@None-y2f]

Your opinion isn't universal. This will affect adults too, who will be forced to prove their age using their identity.

[@-nellie-m3711]

@@infin8ee I didn’t grow up with mobile phones or social media and neither did my children, if they wanted a mobile phone then they had to wait till they were working to pay for it themselves, I have a little iPad for Facebook and KZbin and I was in my mid 50’s when I got that, my phone is just a phone, I don’t have any social media on it and my husband doesn’t even have any social media accounts, he works on a computer for his job and the last thing he wants to do is sit at his computer for social media, he watches tv 📺, this over 16 law doesn’t really affect us, I could easily give up KZbin and I hardly ever go onto Facebook, actually, I’d probably get more done if I gave up watching KZbin videos Lol 😂 but for me it’s just entertainment. 😊

[@andrewsmith9162]

With under 16 laws I will have to prove that I am over 16 . BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING 🙈🙉🙊🗣

[@mick1535]

Do what the kids will do, VPN so much for the law

[@roslynjonsson2383]

@@andrewsmith9162 You had to register your DOB when signing up for Facebook. We have already got digital ID in Australia, so what's the difference? Nothing. As long as you're not doing anything sketchy on the net, then it will make no difference. You're being paranoid about nothing

[@debster1073]

VPNs will do nothing. This is happening world wide. The Five eyes spy on citizens for each other as it’s against the law to do it to its own citizens. This has been planned for a long time. UK released crims out of their jails to lock up mums and dads for the posts. Some of the posts where a year or 2 ago after these laws where introduced. Instead of police fighting crime they are being made to visit these people for the posts or tweets.

[@CAOwens-c9e]

Ryan, the snag on a bit of bread, with your pick of condiments, is yummooo…you would love it!

[@kerryskee2494]

I love following you Ryan. Most of my contemporaries are fully in support of this ruling. We are sick of hearing about our young people suiciding due to online bullying. Should be worldwide! I read recently that bullying in Australia is significantly higher than the rest of the world.

[@PTRAUSTRALIA]

Property managers work for real estate agents on behalf of property owners, making sure that the tenant{s} are maintaining the property in accordance with the rental agreement ie regular property inspections.They also make sure that any repairs to the property are carried out in a timely manner {for the tenants comfort}. I am lucky to have a great relationship with the property manager of the house that I have called home since October 2013 .

[@taniaelliott4078]

You're very lucky! In general, the tenants comfort is the very last consideration of a property manager (and the landlord for that matter).

[@-nellie-m3711]

@@taniaelliott4078 I totally agree with you, we’ve been living next door to a rental property for almost 20 years and I hardly ever see any property manager come out to inspect the property and as for the owner of the property, I’ve seen him probably a couple of times since we’ve lived here and the best tenants we had living next door ended up having a baby and when they asked if an air conditioner could be installed into the tiny house, they said no, so they moved out and then the owner installed an air conditioner and now we’ve had crappy neighbours ever since…I think we’re on to the 4th lot of tenants since the Best ones moved out..

[@judithstrachan9399]

Sure, OWNERS should thank their property managers. Many PM’s & tenants have a barely civil relationship because PM’s work FOR THE OWNER, & the tenant gets left in the dust

[@_alifeallmine_]

My 22 year old Son offered up his opinion on this to me (I didn’t even bring the subject up), saying he supports it, having seen in School how much it is used to bully.

[@Jeni10]

Spruiked (spruked) is when you walk into a big store and some guy is shouting out about a bargain in the store so you don’t miss out. “Good morning shoppers, welcome to Walmart! Today, in the fresh meat section, we have a great special for today only! Fifty hot dogs for twenty five bucks! That’s right, fifty hot dogs for twenty five bucks! If you’re planning a party this weekend, grab this bargain while you can, today only!” That guy is a spruiker. He’s more effective than any flyer handout.

[@helloshiny8475]

I still remember the taped spruiker dude that would blare out at the $2 tourist shops in Pitt st around late 90's - early 2000's. I loved his accent. real Queenslander. $2 ONLY !!!

[@sungi7814]

I am against this ban, if I had no social media as a kid I would have been completely lonely because everyone in real life was bullying me, not on the internet.

[@Dr_KAP]

I agree with you. My daughter had a learning disability and she is gay, she told me the other day that social media is what helped her feel like she wasn’t alone in the world, it helped her find communities of like minded people. It works both ways, I don’t believe outright banning it is going to do anything at all. Kids will find a way around it anyway.

[@mitzee8621]

Fortunately, this bill is ineffective in a world where VPNs exist. EDIT: Which is all the more reason to be opposed to it, mind.

[@mikeythehat6693]

Yes they passed the social media ban for children and it has wide support in the community and had bilateral support in the parliament. It doesn't affect KZbin.

[@staceycurran0703]

Hi Stacey from Melbourne here, all the social media ban is doing is making it easier for our government to implement a law so that everyone has to have a digital ID and facial recognition set up if they want to continue using social media. It's all about control.

[@ChloeKatelin]

as an Australian who is soon to be no longer able to use social media I am honestly disappointed in the government, they say there doing this so we don't use SOCIAL media to SOCIALise because it not good for "us". but really they are doing this to try to stop bullies and people being bullied online, I think instead of punishing all of Australian kids who use social media they should be focusing on how to stop bullies or even feigning those who bullies' people.

[@oztez9222]

I'm good with it. My two boys didn't have a lot of access to social media, I was looking over their shoulders all the time. This would be mainly Discord, X, META, Truth Social, Tik Tok, Facebook, snapchat, maybe not KZbin. But parents won't watch out for their kids. We have an unacceptable suicide rate. That's the bottom line. No phones in school now. This too is a great thing. School is for learning.... Not learning what their friends are doing.

[@lillithdoe5075]

The law was passed to protect people under the age from sexual exploitation/grooming and online bullying leading to self harm.

[@debster1073]

Yeah right . That’s why the government did include Porn Hub on their ban.

[@overworlder]

the sausage-in-bread would have butter if it was at home and probably have caramelised onions and tomato sauce as well as mustard

[@michellewest3404]

There was onions on it, just following the great Bunnings law of having to have them under the sausage. But really, mustard and no tomato sauce, how is that even Australian.

[@judithstrachan9399]

@@michellewest3404can’t argue with that. It just isn’t the same without the red stuff.

[@rolandbriefrel3125]

Doesn’t affect KZbin

[@mitzee8621]

Where did you get that? Because straight from the Explanatory Memorandum: "As an example, the obligation would not affect the current practice of users viewing content on KZbin without first signing into an account." Because remember the bill is all about stopping users from creating accounts without age assurance not blanket blocking access to a site for users. So the account you made to make this comment will, after the bill takes effect, require you to provide age assurance to make, and if you're under 16 then you're only option is to make the account from another country with a VPN.

[@rolandbriefrel3125]

@ ABC News

[@nolaj114]

I used to leave a Freddo for my property manager when I had an inspection. Freddos are as good as currency here. 😊

[@Jeni10]

OH NO! Pay is pay, but a thank you goes a very LONG way towards the wellbeing of the individual being respected! In fact, there were times before the Great Depression (and sometimes since) when grateful bosses who had gone out of their way to get to know their employees and show gratitude to them, then found themselves unable to pay their workers when the crash occurred. They quickly discovered just how loyal those employees had become when they agreed to work for a reduced wage in order to keep the company afloat until the Depression had ended! You don’t get that kind of loyalty through money alone!

[@judithstrachan9399]

Not just then, either. A very small minority of businesses still have that kind of staff morale.

[@competitionglen]

In Australia, Colesworth and Aldi start specials on Wednesday. If you go early on Wednesday to get specials, they are still updating prices. Use to update overnight, but tight arse pricks. Nothing against staff, they do what they are rostered to do.

[@taylorjones4939]

The bread in the Sausage Sizzle is a glorified serviette, it's about the Sausage.

[@helloshiny8475]

the sausage, the bread, the tomato sauce and hot onions . They all are vital and work together. only think I won't eat is the margarine, gross, But knowing there's a $2 breakfast outside most Bunnings on a weekend is a great thing.

[@cheggs9]

I agree with it in principle. My kids are grown now, but it was damn near impossible to keep them off social media as teens. BUT this really does just seem like a back-door way to better track everything every adult Australian does and says online. I assume every social media account we have will require us to verify our identity first...? There goes any anonymity we had, however flimsy it may have been.

[@debster1073]

Exactly. It’s disgusting the bulling going on online but where’s the parents? Why would anyone just sit there and let the bulling go on when they can take a phone away or turn off a computer. They have these kids they need to grow up and look after them and protect them. Not the bloody government.

[@mitzee8621]

Yeah, and they fed off the agreement we almost all share that social media is bad for our kids, to convince peoples this bill was a good idea. It's more then just social media too, though that's the primary focus. They have created a new legal definition for something called an "age-restricted social media platform" which generally includes any service where a significant purpose is to enable online social interaction between 2 or more end-users and the service allows users to post material to it. The minister can also specifically add services to this definition if they wouldn't otherwise fit or add new conditions that must be met to fit this definition.

[@taniaelliott4078]

Same. I think there's several issues with it, but damn, something needs to be done so badly. Phones and tablets are destroying our kids, making them into zombies with altered brain chemistry. That's before we even get into the myriad issues with kids on social media.

[@Crosleyq]

Poor Ryan, I sense your confusion at the Australian drive to simply make things illegal if they don't like things. Under 16s using social media - ban, Ferrero Rocher pricing not to your liking - ban. This is all popular policy... then we have the audacity to say we are a laidback country, its all so tiresome.

[@TheMartyandy]

The reason that governments are taking a sudden interest in social media is because states are losing their monopoly over propaganda. That's it. Governments, including that of Australia, have an interest in pushing certain perspectives on certain conflicts which have been getting contradicted by people's experiences on social media. There's one conflict in particular that access to social media has allowed people to for the first time in history see the alternative viewpoints of, which governments in support of said conflict do not approve of because it shatters the illusion brought on by their own propaganda - and it's no surprise that this interest in banning social media for young people started shortly after that. The state has an interest in controlling what young people see, because it allows for curated content to be fed to their population from a young age which moulds them into adults loyal to the state. Social media has allowed people to see things from global perspectives, and so naturally the state has an interest in preventing that for young people; to prevent them from being exposed to alternative viewpoints at stages where it's more likely to influence their opinions on the state in adulthood. All this nonsense about bullying and depression is nothing more than a 'think of the kids' tactic. Bullying existed long before social media. Any bullying that could happen online will just happen offline instead.

[@Greg-r5h]

Our WiFi is so bad they won't know the difference.

[@achebwahs1111]

Lets pass 40 new laws through the house in one sitting. Why? Because parliament is shutting for the year and an election looms. Can't be see to have done nothing leading into it. Giving only 24 hours for public submissions to be considered is not how it was designed to work. Like this law or not the incompetency of our political parties in this country is laughable and if you don't understand why this ban is not going to work then you are part of the problem.

[@smalltime0]

The bill has been debated, and a draft was issued, for like 6 months. Every going "iT wAs OnE dAy" obviously wasn't paying attention.

[@achebwahs1111]

@@smalltime0 24 hours for submissions. Clearly you're a bootlicker

[@Hyplxx]

1:18 yes it was passed, and it should come into effect this time next year

[@JasmineMurfPlyz]

Ik, like you it is also for KZbin too! But I mean I think they said that kids and teens under the age of 16 can watch but not post things on KZbin.

[@Jeni10]

Substitute the word “banned” with the word “restricted”. That’s more accurate.

[@JimmyJupp]

Banning under 16's from Social Media not from the whole internet! (Also, no ban from KZbin!)

[@roderickdunn3464]

The social media providers have failed to address the issues surrounding youth bulling and suicide and other toxic behaviour. The government is doing its job protecting the people. In the US the government would have protected the billionaires. Free speech should not tolerate toxic behaviour.

[@debster1073]

How about you do your job and parent

[@None-y2f]

Toxicity is subjective. I may find your online comments toxic.

[@mitzee8621]

"Free speech should not tolerate toxic behaviour." That statement has some serious "only speech I approve of should be free" energy. You don't have to be in favour of free speech, make your own mind up on what you believe without trying to twist other concepts to match.

[@roderickdunn3464]

@@mitzee8621 I disagree. In a functional society, we must take a subjective view. We should not harm the children with our "free speech". We have laws that protect the consumer against harmful product, placing the responsibility on the manufacturer. We have laws for the prevention of publication and distribution of content that is deemed to be pronographic . In fact the US is one of the most hypocritical state in this area I am proud to be an Australian, and pleased our parliament puts the welfare of our children above the interests of the billionaires. Unlike the US where the profits of the gun manufacturers are more important that the lives of children. Sandy Hook? And the weekly school shootings?

[@mitzee8621]

​@@roderickdunn3464 Wait, what do you disagree with? Also, you would hardly be the only Australian not in favour of free speech, and unlike America we don't have the right to freedom of speech here, so it's not nearly as controversial of a take. You don't have to keep skirting around the issue by implying things; just say what you believe, which sounds to me like something like: The only speech that should be permitted in Australia, is that which is neither abhorrent nor harmful to the mental health of children. Also, as far as being proud of our government for putting the welfare of children above the interests of billionaires, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but the main effect of this bill is going to be increasing the revenue of VPN companies. Because any Australian citizen interested in privacy is not going to want to provide age assurance, and so will use the most convenient VPN, which means paying for a VPN. I, for one, am extremely disappointed in our government for prioritising scoring political points over the welfare of our country's children. Ps. I assume you know that this bill can't/won't stop children from accessing social media? If you didn't, and especially if you are a parent, please remember that you're children will still be able to make accounts on social media platforms by using VPN's. It will be just as important to monitor your kids' social media activity after the bill takes effect as it is now.

[@systemsrenegade9888]

It's only banning kids from platforms where they can direct message another person with hate , religious , gender , pedophilia, insulting messaging so the cyber bullying and grooming can be stopped ,

[@None-y2f]

We have a right to our own opinions, even hateful ones.

[@None-y2f]

There are already laws against grooming and pedophilia.

[@mitzee8621]

Where did you get that idea? That might be one of the intentions of the coming up with the bill, but that isn't anywhere in what is written.

[@jyenh]

​@@None-y2fthose laws are reactive, which are the worst sort of laws, and laws don't work if they can't be enforced. This is hopefully a way of enforcing/preventing.

[@Prsboy78]

Nothing will change in my house both of my kids weren't allowed to use Facebook, Twitter etc until they were/are 16 years old and even then we sat and talked to them about what they can/can't/should/shouldn't do as well as the potential dangers. KZbin isn't part of the limitations. I think it will help the kids that aren't being watched or educated by their parents.

[@matt0607hkgts]

woolies and coles are profits before people , and are striving to have workerless stores as any human interaction means a loss in profits 😮

[@suellenbenefield1798]

Kids should be parented properly. By the parents. Guidelines are great and sweet as for some help in guiding....but really it's not the governments responsibility, parents should be parenting. 😊

[@julieg6383]

Australian here: KZbin is exempt from the ban, as are other sources of media that are commonly used as educational services.

[@debster1073]

Not for long

[@None-y2f]

Only as long as they choose to interpret the law that way.

[@julieg6383]

@@None-y2f It is specifically exempted under "Health and education services"

[@mitzee8621]

@@julieg6383 Is there a list of platforms considered Health and Education services for the bill? They specifically mention KZbin as an example in the Explanatory Memorandum and imply that the bill will affect the ability to create an account on KZbin without age assurance.

[@Aussiedave54]

I DON'T DO SOCIAL MEDIA, , I PREFER TO KEEP MY BRAIN INTACT

[@mitzee8621]

People really should consider it a drug, same with pornography. Maybe some sort of new category of non-chemical drug. Like I'm a libertarian about these things and don't think any drug should be banned outright, but classifying something as such gives people some ideas on what to expect from the thing. Then again, maybe that opens the door to an impossible series of categorisations; what wouldn't be a drug if we created a non-chemical drug category?

[@-nellie-m3711]

@Aussiedave54 Lol 😂, You Don’t Do Social Media, Yet here you are commenting on a Social Media Platform Lol 😂….That’s Funny 🤣

[@overworlder]

Casuals here get higher pay to compensate for not having benefits. In fact the minimum wage for a casual worker is $30/hr and can be $75/hr if you're working on a public holiday say (250% loading).

[@shaynejohnston]

Australia is generally further left than the US, apart from the occasional outlier. For example, our conservative party, the Liberal Party, probably aligns closer to the moderate Democrats. We tend to lean towards regulation and are not dogmatic about individual rights like free speech. I have friends in Kentucky who struggle to understand. Gun control is another issue that had bipartisan support and passed within a few months after the Port Arthur shooting.

[@debster1073]

That’s your opinion. You’ll find out very soon how wrong you are. People are on the verge of losing it if the government keep going. You must not be on X where people can still be able to show how they really feel.

[@None-y2f]

And now thanks to the internet people are finding the truth about port Arthur and the history of gn control.

[@bar-d1423]

As a teacher of teenagers, this couldn’t happen soon enough. It’s not just the toxic environment, it’s the addiction. Kids were coming to school on 4 or 5 hours of sleep. And that is when they weren’t too upset to get to sleep. And from today’s paper I don’t think KZbin is on the hit list. As a result of this the EU is looking at bringing in restrictions as well. They already exist in Florida for under-14s. Hopefully this will be a call to action to the platforms to clean up their act.

[@lesflynn4455]

I appreciate the input, from someone who sees the affects of social media on kids. Cheers.

[@tralee2006]

YT isn't on the hit list. It's not a "chat" app (or something like that. I can't remember the term used). There is another app that isn't on the list, coz it's for more employment/education communication.

[@RobertOKeefe-z6p]

Its up to the parents not the State to police it.

[@bar-d1423]

@@lesflynn4455 thank you. And so many parents are right behind this legislation.

[@bar-d1423]

@@RobertOKeefe-z6p Unfortunately not all parents have that level of control over their kids’ online activities; nor do some of them have the e-literacy to manage it. And then there are the parents who just don’t give a damn …

[@yousparkmyinterest]

I support the ban on social media - you don't have to look far to see a victim of cyber bullying that's suffering because of it. It's not just about cyber bullying, but combine that with the other effects of misinformation and "screen addiction" and this measure is a step in the right direction. It's not going to solve the problems - that's going to take a concerted education campaign and a shift towards respecting each other (which is also slowly being implemented to some degree), but it's a start. I feel this is a win for long-running charitable organisations that deal with bullying, such as Dolly's Dream.

[@JoMo1965]

Kids can be vicious online. Personally im glad about the new bill. So many tragic stories of young teens taking their own life. Hopefully this will result in some peace and sanctuary time for vulnerable children

[@debster1073]

No parents need to be parents go their bloody kids instead of letting a phone babysit them.

[@mitzee8621]

It won't. There is plenty of abuse in online games, which are exempt, and VPNs mean kids can still access social media.

[@ezzie_is]

I was a property manager 10 years ago. I HATED being the middle man between tenants and landlords. Working minimum wage and doing evening and weekend open for inspections with no extra pay was surely illegal. Crappy landlords always had the best tenants and I was the one having to screw them over. My “Thank A Property Manager Day” was the day I finally quit the industry and I got to tell my boss what a c*nt he was 😂

[@antrimlariot2386]

For thousands of years kids have grown up without social media and long may it continue! Go Australia!

[@None-y2f]

This law will also ban adults from using social media without being tracked and surveilled.

[@mitzee8621]

Except it doesn't in any way stop kids from accessing social media. Maybe you've just somehow never heard of a VPN.

[@Fiona-zc6oz]

​@@None-y2flol

[@AnnetteTreloar]

As an older Aussie who actually had parental control over my own children, it stuns me (and most people I know). 1. How are they going to enforce it, and 2. What happened to parental control? Still shaking head at how the government is turning us into a nanny state, where they make all the decisions for us. Typical Labour.

[@waynemiles4293]

You have kinda missed the point Ryan. The white bread is just to hold the hot sausage, which is the important part. Where as with a hot dog the roll is necessary because the Frankfurt has very little taste of it's own.

[@magnellah]

The student debt stuff is backdated to June 2023- so 4% of any debt paid off from then til now will be refunded!

[@judithstrachan9399]

Yeah. Poor Ry, having to live in the US, where fairness seems forgotten.

[@CAOwens-c9e]

Spruiked = pronounced Sprooked

[@judithstrachan9399]

Announced. Yelled. Made a sales pitch. I think it derives from sideshow operators or Hyde Park soapbox speakers. Probably cockney, possibly Irish.

[@kerryskee2494]

KZbin is not social media and not banned.

[@mathewburt395]

As a grandmother of a 7yr old and a 4yr old, I'm happy social media will be band. We have huge bullying problem in OZ with a very high number of suicides.........I'm just not sure it's going to work........Love from Adelaide South Australia ❤

[@roslynjonsson2383]

From 1 grandmother to another, I'm with you all the way. I remember being that age, and the amount of times I went behind my parents back, and so did every other kid. People these days have forgotten all that, because it doesn't suit their narrative to admit it. I have 19 grandkids, with 14 of them being under the 16yr age limit, so it's going to be a huge relief for me to see this put in place - if it doesn't work, then we try something else, but I think this is a good place to start. Hugs 🤗

[@None-y2f]

This isn't about protection. It's about monitoring adults online.

[@roslynjonsson2383]

@@None-y2f crap, get out of here with your ridiculous conspiracy theory bs. It's not welcome

[@roslynjonsson2383]

@@None-y2f You can take your conspiracy theories and put em where the sun don't shine mate. Not interested!

[@NayanaPrendergast]

I think one of the main reasons was there was a lot of cases in Australia, particularly recently about people being bullied so badly over social media and bad enough to commit. So they passed the law to help prevent this over the internet

[@liandren]

Nobody 'needs' twitter or tiktok to survive. Kids do, however, need to be able to have a safe space at home where the outside world can't harrass them. These sort of bans make it difficult for the harrassment to happen.

[@debster1073]

Wow Are you listening to yourself ? You are the one buying the phone or the computer that allow the bulling. You have kids be an Fn parent for godsake. Talk about being brain dead. You need to grow up and take responsibility for raising your kids. Remove the phone or turn the computer off if you have no idea what the are doing on them. 😡

[@mitzee8621]

Unless the kid plays online games and gets harassed in game lobbies, or unless they use a VPN to access social media anyway and the parents don't check in with them because they think their kids are too young to be able to do that.

[@raetalaward9128]

I'm impressed with colour coordination between your cushions and your tshirt. Lovely 😍

[@Jeni10]

Ryan, you’re a content creator, you barely read the comments on your own channel, let alone respond to them. 😂🥰 Children don’t have the means to know whether they’re talking to other kids or to adults pretending to be kids. There are many hidden dangers for innocent children when they’re communicating online. So for us, it’s not about banning something. For example, American kids can drive at 16. That effectively means they’re banned from driving for the first fifteen years of their lives. Americans can consume alcohol from the age of 21. That means they’re banned from drinking alcohol for the first 20 years of their lives. American citizens can obtain unemployment benefits, but after 26 weeks, you can’t get them anymore. That’s also a ban, it would seem. But each of these bans has a purpose and a reasonable explanation. So instead of seeing our law as a ban that’s going against your feelings, see it as protecting young children from having shorter lives than their parents had intended for them. If family restrictions aren’t enough then as citizens we have the right to request the Government (and both parties have been aware of our requests) to step up and restrict children’s access to the dangers of the internet, at least from a social media standpoint, where bullying is having disastrous consequences. When you were a kid, the internet was a very different place! It was less dangerous and kids under thirteen weren’t allowed to use it at all. Not sure what happened to that restriction. It’s like the old days of going to the cinema, you couldn’t get in if you were under the age classified by the movie’s rating. Now those movies are everywhere because the way we view movies has changed. Kids are exposed to *orn and think it’s normal because they’re too young to understand adult concepts. I wouldn’t want my five year old or even my twelve year old watching that stuff, but alas it can happen and we need to try to prevent it or at least minimise it.

[@None-y2f]

Excerpt this law will ban adults from anonymously using social media.

[@BobWobbles]

Apparently there were 70 or so bills pushed through in the final sitting of the year. I thought I was a bit of a procrastinator and last minute scrambler but apparently I've got nothing on our politicians.

[@smalltime0]

The next half-senate election has to be held by may. To avoid a half-senate election and then another election later in the year, the writs need to be issued in April. Once the writs are issued the government can no longer legislate. WA is also having an election in March, so realistically the timings really borked, Albo might go early.

[@partymanau]

They bang them thru at the last minute so the public cant react.

[@shelbyr14]

When the main social media platforms started they had age restrictions and rightfully so. I think most were for 17 and over and a lot of us teenagers fibbed the age a little and it caused more harm than good. Kids don't need to be on X, Facebook, Instagram yet. Social media is damaging enough for adults. Videos are fine but identity and cyber bullying is too big a risk on a young teen.

[@alwynemcintyre2184]

It's not the chocolate company its the grocery store doing the mark-up

[@annieparker3107]

When your son is older you will change your mind

[@None-y2f]

Why don't you think about the unintended consequences of having the government be your parent.

[@tonym7012]

Most people do not even know about this. And they certainly don't know that it will involve an invasion of their privacy if they want to use the platforms involved.

[@liandren]

When we put our minds to it, our govt can achieve great things. Our gun control legislation was one of them. It is very rare that both sides agree on anything.

[@None-y2f]

The absence of the internet allowed more effective brainwashing, yes.

[@bhsaproduction]

Over the decades, we've seen supermarkets change from operating "office type hours" M-F & Sat mornings & maybe 1 Night pw until 8pm > to the current hours like 7am~10pm (with some @ 24-hr stores). Shelves were mostly packed after "closing" to speed up the process, avoid customer inconvenience & lesson injuries (which helped reduce liability insurance). "Night staff" were mostly casuals & were paid a higher hourly rate, but didn't qualify for sick leave, holidays or LSL. Minors were also paid substantially less than adults. With changes to payroll awards, extended hours of trading, many "self-serve registers" & fewer staff @ each location - most staff are now required to "multi-skill" by packing shelves, be cashiers (when busy), help with cleanups & customer enquires. Unlike the USA, Aussies automatically qualify for Medicare (basic hospital cover) & employees now (on the whole) receive sick leave, annual leave & superannuation contributions (with a small number of exceptions).

[@lionellloyd9003]

It is law. Stops groomers. We were the first tobann smoking too remember. Others are doing the same. 16 is the legal age here. Any of the Murdock press or other media are liars.

[@ChannelReuploads9451]

Wont stop groomers, they no doubt already use VPN's, and Australia has not banned smoking.

[@Crosleyq]

Then everyone started vaping, then they banned that and now everyone just buys Chinese cigarettes which are worse than anything Australia produced and are like $20, while tobacconists just get firebombed every other day. Just absolute kneejerk policy thats made to look good to the base level punter and keep it off the books which does absolutely nothing to solve the actual problem. Kids will just use the multitude of VPNs which are available to them which they are actively using anyway except now they have a hidden IP address which means any illegal activity that may be geo/ISP blocked or somewhat policed is now untraceable.

[@mick1535]

They didn't ban smoking they taxed it to the point where people couldn't afford it except now we are being flooded with cheap tobacco and the govt gets less tax capitalism at its best

[@darneyoung537]

It should be up to the parents to control what their kids watch NOT the Government 🇦🇺🐨🐨🇦🇺

[@8enny80i]

Ryan, I have seen you react to thing that you deemed unfit for social media. This is what our children, our future are being exposed to. They are not old enough to understand and comprehend whether it's fact or fiction. The misinformation that is spread is ridiculous. I think it's great. When your kid grows up I think you would be agreeing with this.

[@None-y2f]

Your idea of misinformation is likely inaccurate though. The GOVERNMENT was the biggest spreader. of misinformation This decade. Without any discussion being allowed you never learn the truth.

[@jsegal8385]

Just because it has been passed in both houses does not mean it is a law. It must be given Royal assent and so on. A thing no one seems to have picked up on is that Government issued ID cannot be used to verify the kids ID. No birth certificate, passport, Centrelink card and so can be used. So what ID NOT issued by the Government can be used??

[@anniecarr8346]

I'm 70 the dr took my driver's licence off me and the ID card they gave me is not accepted as ID and yet a drivers licence is even though I had to show all the same ID for photo card as I did for the drivers licence ..I am beyond pissed off

[@jsegal8385]

@@anniecarr8346 This is no good for you now but it may help other people. Tell them you lost your Drivers License and ask for a copy. They will give it to you. You then have two DL's. If they take one off you in the future then you have another...

[@mitzee8621]

It's not that they can't be used it's just that they can't be the only option. So what will likely happen is that platforms will implement a photo age verification system using AI to detect the potential account creators' age and then also include the option to provide a government-issued ID. Below is from the bill and Subsection (1) is the part you were referencing about not being allowed to use government-issued ID. (2) Subsection (1) does not apply if: (a) the provider provides alternative means (not involving the material and services mentioned in paragraphs (1)(a) and (b)) for an individual to assure the provider that the individual is not an age-restricted user; and (b) those means are reasonable in the circumstances.

[@stevenhughes6282]

I know you are an intelligent guy so why are you - we are talking about children here. Have you not seen some of the stuff which happens on social media. Do you support the banning of alcohol and drugs for children? Do you support banning number age sex? Think about it! It is not about KZbin it is about protecting kids from deviants and protecting kids from perverts and grifters like Trump.

[@kirby_k83]

Because people with brains question things. Don't just get fed the information as gospel.

[@shanegates678]

Actually, as KZbin is not included as social media, Australian youth may actually increase their KZbin presence and subsequently your audience.

[@judithstrachan9399]

Sounds great.

[@Mr310148]

Parents are the ones who should be in control of their kids Not the Government

[@JamoHenso]

You're right... give our children gallons of beer because I want to

[@Hudpower]

It’s clear social media is an addiction, we don’t give parents the right to choose if they give their kids cocaine. In this parents don’t get punished but the companies that don’t moderate and allow this to happen other ones that get punished.

[@lillibitjohnson7293]

Parents are the people that lobbied for this to happen Karen

[@grannyof12kids]

@@JamoHenso Guess it was parents who can't say no to their kids

[@joanneginever1890]

​@@JamoHenso So you're all for passing off parental responsibility and rights to the Government. Got it. So I guess you're also fine with leftie teachers pushing gender ideology on your kids and kids being told their parents don't need to know what they're being told at school. 🤔.

[@carolwhite8036]

If you see some of the parents whose children as young as 12 have committed suicide , you`ll agree about this. Bullying is rife throughout the world .I`m sure many other countries will follow if this goes through. It doesn't affect U tube.

[@mitzee8621]

Hopefully, other countries will actually care about their kids and implement an actual working mechanism instead of pointless virtue signalling that doesn't do the one thing they say it will do.

[@MaryRaine929]

🇩🇪German here. I'm ready to be tarred and feathered but as a mother of a twelve-year-old son who uses social media regularly, I don't think the ban is a good idea. I think that, in general, no age group should be excluded from something that has become completely normal and commonplace for the majority of humanity, and this applies to all technologies and innovations that children will have to deal with in their future. Instead, I believe that parents and schools have a duty to teach young people how to use these media correctly and to inform them about the risks. You can't protect children from all the bad things in the world, but you can teach them how to deal with potential dangers, for example not to simply run into the street, not to be lured into other people's cars with sweets and also how to deal with bullying on the internet. I see the problem more in the fact that parents and schools are overwhelmed with this task, cause they are themselves insecure with social media and many parents have completely lost sight of what their children are doing, thinking and feeling. In my opinion banning kids and young teens from something that grew so big in everyone‘s everyday life cannot be the solution to the problem.

[@eileencollins2536]

All good thoughts, in reality that doesn't happen. This ban won't do much in real life... kids will find a way to still be online

[@jyenh]

In Australia we already teach this in schools right from the word go, it doesn't work because of addiction, you cant reason with addiction. Since we banned phones in schools we've seen an increase in positive behaviours and friendships, and less harmful behaviours. As a teacher, specialising in technology, I've seen too many kids that have committed suicide due to something happening on social media before they're able to develop the resilience and self confidence necessary for it. Nearby where I live was an online suicide pact between 12 kids because of something they saw online...how does resilience work for something like that? I knew one of them, the community? The school? Oof. I'd be interested how far your non-exemption goes. Alcohol? Cigarettes? Vaping? Pot? Gambling? Even when there are clear negative impacts for children? I see this as just another way to reduce harmful addictions, which we know are usually picked up from parents and during adolescence.

[@partymanau]

Good for u Frau. Its the parents job not Govt to decide how kids use the Net.

[@jyenh]

@partymanau then what's the Gov's job? I'd say child protection is definitely in its jurisdiction. When the government gives a recommendation and its completely ignored out of misinformation, parenting styles and peer pressure, and the negative consequences of social media and addiction are increasing taxes, hospital wait times and decreasing citizen quality of life, i would say it is the Gov's job. Or are you advocating for child abuse and protection laws to be abolished as its the parents job to keep them safe? Im not saying the ban is a be all and end all, but giving kids a chance to just be kids is important. And its not all social media, just social media that does not have adequate protections. KZbin kids, and kids messenger is allowed for example - still with parental consent.

[@Fiona-zc6oz]

You are actually meant to be 13 to start a Facebook account and that was years ago

[@adrianmclean9195]

I would suggest that the only people thanking property managers - are property managers. In Australia, there is an annual rating of businesses that are hated/lowly looked upon: The industry that tops it each year is: The Real Estate industry - I can only imagine with the current economic situation, that it has increased x1O fold. Additionally, the first x3 spots, were the best known National, estate agencies.

[@lionellloyd9003]

The kids were going into dark places. We love our kids get used to it.

[@incMusicToWorkTo]

Is this "ban" actually any different to laws on drinking age?

[@partymanau]

Just as pointless.

[@andrewlogan1771]

But kids under 16 can still access porn hub in Australia 😢

[@Maxiakt]

Can you be more stupid .

[@ChannelReuploads9451]

Oh who goes to Porn hub these days, Xvideos baby.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Hochspitz]

Just like the North Koreans in Kursk and for the 1st time accessing porn? Finding TikTok and asking a 15 year old to send nude pic resulting in two arrest warrants by the ruZZians?

[@mitzee8621]

In theory, it should affect Pornhub the same way it affects KZbin. That being Pornhub will require age assurance if you try and make an account with them from Australia.

[@lindsaymac01]

If the social media ban prevents just one child from committing suicide over social-media bullying, then it's a law well passed.

[@kirrileel]

You say you are against banning things in general so I am interested in how it would influence your opinion if you reconsider it not as banning social media, but age restricting it. You may not agree with the government banning alcohol and cigarettes but does it follow that you are against the government age restricting them? There is no doubt that social media can contribute to the deaths of children as do alcohol and tobacco. Is it reasonable to limit the age that children can access these things until they can make a more informed choice on them? I'm not saying you WOULD change your mind if you consider it this way, but it would be a more fair way to phrase it that may cross off your objection against banning things in general.

[@mitzee8621]

There is a big difference between a practical and effective age restriction and one that is impossible to enforce. If the bill even attempted (it doesn't even try, that part comes later) to come up with a mechanism to prevent kids from accessing social media, then we can start to compare it to the age restrictions on the sale of alcohol and cigarettes. Everyone looks at this as a black-and-white thing. Hell, let me make the point by saying I fully agree social media is harmful; in fact, I believe it is probably worse for kids than irregular drinking and smoking because at least these activities are often done in a social setting. I fully support the idea that the government should investigate a way to regulate access to it from children. I can even think of some ideas off the top of my head, like an under-16 mode built into the Android or IOS operating system, which is optionally enabled by the parent when they allow their kid to have a phone and then disabled when they are old enough. A bill could be constructed that requires OS providers to have this feature on all their Australian products and that the feature disallows the use of certain apps. This would give parents a very easy and non-invasive option to keep their kids off social platforms until they decide they are ready. Obviously, there are various ways to circumvent this, but none are as simple as just enabling a VPN, which is the easiest way to bypass the bill they just passed. But instead of looking for a non-invasive solution, they jump to the most invasive solution possible, requiring every single Australian user to provide some form of age assurance if they register for an account in Australia.

[@kirrileel]

@mitzee8621 I'm actually not even arguing in support of this bill. I'm not quite sure about it for now. Like you, I appreciate the intent and think something needs to be done to help the harm social media causes kids but am not sure this bill will be effective. But I think Ryan's argument that he is against banning things is a poor one and am trying to reframe how he is thinking about this to assess it more accurately.

[@mitzee8621]

@@kirrileel Fair enough. It's a reasonable distinction to draw. From a libertarian perspective (which I mostly share or at least am sympathetic towards), opposition to banning things is a value that serves a larger goal of reducing the powers of the government. With this mindset, restricting something is not substantively different from banning something, as both restriction and banning result in more government power. This doesn't help us understand Ryan's perspective as I've not seen him talk enough about politics to know how he views things. But I thought I'd share it anyway as a one possible answer to your question.

[@KristianG-T]

Also Ryan….. A/. This doesn’t go into affect for 12 months and secondly, there are exceptions for educational sites like KZbin! This is specific to TikTok, Instagram, Snapchat and facebook mostly! 😊

[@cathyaldridge4550]

I don't know Ryan. Will it be worth the Social Media companies to comply? There's not that many of us so it might just be easier to cut us off all together.

[@judithstrachan9399]

One can but hope.