Ryzen 5 5600 vs. Ryzen 5 1600, 100%+ Gains in Games!

[@JarrodsTech]

Sorry but 100% just sounds misleading, 5600 is 250% more than 1600 🤔

[@pietrmuffei8874]

No, it’s over 4000!

[@funi1083]

@@pietrmuffei8874 IT'S OVER 9000!

[@JarrodsTech]

@@funi1083 WHAT NINE THOUSAND?

[@Haywood-Jablomie]

I identify as 2954103% Better than an R5 1600

[@funi1083]

@@JarrodsTech THERE'S NO WAY THAT CAN BE RIGHT!

[@BSEUNHIR]

And the 5800X3D is another gen's worth of increase again! And to think all those CPUs can go into one and the same motherboard. Astounding. True innovation. Unlike the crap intel pulled for years and years prior.

[@williampaabreeves]

*in some games. not everything benefits from the extra cache

[@gamingunboxed5130]

@@williampaabreeves most games ;)

[@samgoff5289]

Unlike the crap intel pulled for years and years while ignoreing the crap AMD made for years and years.... I like AMD too but this fanboy mentality blameing intel for everything while ignoreing the shitty parts AMD made is embarrassing

[@wfb.subtraktor311]

@@samgoff5289 You have to consider that intel is literally more than an order of magnitude larger than AMD, so the fact that AMD even competes at all is amazing in itself.

[@perfectdiversion]

Let's forget the garbage AMD made in the past and just forever hate on Intel because AMD is a saint and can do no wrong

[@marcasswellbmd6922]

AM4 turned out to be a blessing.. This is amazing to me.. This is the first time I've seen a platform last this long with these kinds of improvements..

[@leechburglights]

Started with all 300 series boards in 2017 and 2018. New PCs for everyone in my family, under the tightest if budgets. Fast forward 4 years and those systems with the 1300x, and 2200g can all be updated to take on the 5000 series. That's 5 PCs in my family and as simple as Bios update and drop in a new cpu! Awesome for the next 3-5 years.

[@madcrowmaxwell]

Long term platform stability is actually an AMD trademark at this point. AM3 had an 8 year run and early boards (before the AM3+ upgrade) were even backwards compatible with AM2 chips. Let's hope AM5 continues the tradition.

[@kyperioth4212]

@@madcrowmaxwell AM5 will be a new socket and LGA format, it was already announced. "AM5 LGA 1718"

[@raresmacovei8382]

Even higher if you add 5800X3D in the mix

[@Spiggle.]

The reason there were such big jumps is partially because first gen Ryzen chips had high latency vs Intel, sure you can praise them for long term support.. but it still doesn't change the fact that they were behind for a while in certain areas like gaming.

[@HOONICAT]

I’ve expected my R5 1600 to get slaughtered in this comparison, but I’m surprised that it’s still pretty decent for what it is.

[@DKCHEUNG]

It did get slaughtered. But if your use case is 1080p 60hz then, yes, it’s definitely decent. Especially if you just put on high settings instead of max. Such a good chip

[@HOONICAT]

@@DKCHEUNG I’m fine with 60 FPS in slow-paced games, honestly. On the other hand, I literally only play rhythm games and Forza Horizon 5 as of right now, so that was never the issue anyway. :’D

[@deansmits006]

Oh nice, glad it's working out for you. Good to know if you need the upgrade, there are some really good drop in options available

[@raisingthebar2149]

@@HOONICAT I put... Hundreds of hours into FH4. What do you think of 5? Is the multiplayer okay? And of that wallriding slamming crap? How is the map and race variety? I've been putting off 5 because I heard the launch of 4 was really rough. Waiting for the kinks to be ironed out as it were.

[@meliktanabene1485]

@@raisingthebar2149 not bad at all

[@dragonfistX200]

I built my pc in 2017 with the ryzen 1500x. When I was able to upgrade to the 5600x recently my jaw dropped at how much improvement I saw. Made me glad I was an early adopter of ryzen

[@cryptojockey1]

Had you sold your processor?

[@dragonfistX200]

@@cryptojockey1 yeah

[@cryptojockey1]

@@dragonfistX200 for how much price? Bro

[@Azrub]

Same, with a rx 580 8gb! I'm going to upgrade to this cpu as well soon, can't wait :D

[@RumblesBettr]

@@Azrubil about to do the same. Is it worth going for the 5600x over the 5600? I also have a rx580 8gb

[@i3l4ckskillzz79]

I upgraded from a 2700x to a 5800x3D and it's a perfect pairing for my rtx 3070 ti. Might be a bit overkill but at least it should perform great with a higher tier gpu after I upgrade it.

[@koraptd6085]

Please tell what the gains are

[@92juanreus]

There's no such thing as overkill 😈

[@zonkel]

@@koraptd6085 I did the same upgrade a few weeks ago but still on a 2070 Super. FPS gains ranged from 5% to 25%, depending on the game. Obviously the GPU is the bottleneck here, even at 1080p, but it's still extremely noticeable how much better the lows are. overall everything feels much "snappier" and more responsive, especially in fast paced games.

[@raresmacovei8382]

It's not at all overkill. 3060 Ti are CPU bottlenecked with pre-Zen3 CPUs.

[@dave6018]

@@koraptd6085 I went from 3800x to 5800x and I noticed a big difference, but depends on your gpu and resolution, 5800x 3d is tempting for me, because I play star citizen and the 5800x 3d blitzes the 5800x in that game

[@joekoch8485]

Thank you for all the great content you guys do! Keep up the amazing work good sirs 💪!

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Thank you for the support, much appreciated 👍

[@El1988Che]

I did the 1600 to 5600 jump on my X370... Man, I'm so happy. Even OCd the 5600 a little to 4.6 GHz! My 1600 was clocked at 4.0 GHz (1.368 vcore, stable stress tested, golden chip!).

[@El1988Che]

@OneFortyFour Yeah! It started by selling my Vega 64 to a crypto miner, I got my Vega in 2017 for 380 CAD on Newegg. I listed my gpu for 750 CAD last month and sold it right away... Shortly thereafter I found a RX 6700 for the same price, so, free GPU upgrade! I thought my 1600 was going to be enough with its 4.0 GHz but yeah, it wasn't lol. But I had no intention on making a new build, I don't PC game enough to justify it. One week went by and I started seeing all these videos and articles about 5000 series Ryzen in 300 motherboards 😂 Mother of timing! Sold my 1600 for 80 CAD and got myself the 5600 for 275 CAD (including taxes). So yeah, May was a good month for my PC!

[@wayland7150]

@@El1988Che Your 1600 was bottlenecking your VEGA quite significantly, not with cryptomining but with FPS. You know that now having watched this video.

[@El1988Che]

@@wayland7150 Not so much, I was able to do 100-110 FPS (1080p high settings) in WarZone with Vega 64 and my R5 1600 OCd to 4 GHz. I never felt a bottleneck with that configuration. Vega was always maxing out and sounding like an hairdryer lol. On a stock 1600, I guess that'd be a different story. My ram was OCd to 3333 Mhz as well, and tweaked the timing using the Ryzen memory optimizer. Like I mentioned before, that 1600 was a golden sample... I sort of regret selling it lol

[@wayland7150]

@@El1988Che If you never tried a 3600 or 5600 you don't actually know. The game RUST would do 120FPS at HD using a VEGA 56 and RYZEN 3800. This was compared with a RTX 3090 + 12900K system which could push out 150FPS in RUST according to the chap I lent the system to. Sometimes you need just the right combination. We know for a fact because this video proves it that the 1600 bottlenecks graphics cards, even modest ones. When it first came out Steve hated the RYZEN because it was so slow in games compared to the intel even though it was maybe twice as fast in Cinebench. He did tests to prove it. AMD have redeemed themselves with the CPU upgrades for AM4. An odd feature of the slow 1600 was that GTA5 actually ran better on AMD than intel. The reason turned out to be that GTA5 stuttered when driven too hard, like it was by the intel.

[@El1988Che]

@@wayland7150 Well, I don't really play PC games enough to justify (or care) at the time. When I built my PC in 2017, it was pretty OK! I spent more time Overclocking and tweaking than actually gaming on it (I'm more of a console guy, boohh, I know, right?). This whole upgrade thing was triggered when I manged to flip my Vega hard just to see, and à few days after I found a 6700 for the price I sold my Vega. Now then, I did see the bottleneck. However, I didn't care enough about it to actually upgrade. I wasn't going to get a Ryzen 3000 or anything lol. A week went by and I saw all these Ryzen 5000 on 300 motherboards and I jumped on the hype train haha. Got myself a 5600, gave it a mild OC and called it the day. You know how many times I actually PC gamed since I got my 5600? Once lol. Perhaps you're right, but at the time I build my PC in 2017, everything felt balanced (and 1600 AM4 was the right decision after all!). As of right now, my PC will probably stay with the RX 6700/R5 5600 for the next 5 years if not more lol.

[@riccardocattozzo2579]

Made this switch last year. I wasn't happy because the 5600x had an insane price of 300+€, but it surprised me and the gains were huge at 1440p with a 3070. At the current price the 5600x is a great budget friendly cpu

[@chriswright8074]

Lol 300 isn't bad

[@koraptd6085]

@@chriswright8074 3000 is also not that bad for some

[@samgoff5289]

@@chriswright8074 12400f can be had for $160 for the same performance but $300 isn't bad? 🤷‍♂️

[@riccardocattozzo2579]

From the company who brought us 6c12t at 165€, 320€ for the new product is grossly overpriced. Not releasing the standard 5600 immediatly also was funny

[@chriswright8074]

@@samgoff5289 y'all was paying Intel what they wanted for so long what's the problem with 300 an 5600 is around that 170 ish ball frame

[@berserkslayer8638]

Just updated my setup from a 1600 to a 5600 on a B450 motherboard. I love how AMD kept their promise of future compatibility with their new Ryzen CPUs, which made this upgrade possible. I am glad I went with team red back in 2018.

[@shaneeslick]

G'day Steve & Teddy Jr., While the RX6950XT shows the Extreme without Limitations, thanks for including the RX6600XT Results as I think this is more representative of a GPU level of performance that would be used by someone looking to upgrade a R5 1600 to a R5 5600 while keeping a B350 Motherboard. Saying that the amount of uplift in some games is 🤯Mindblowing

[@StarDustForge]

Don't forget: if you have a lower tier card than the RX6600XT as well as a Ryzen 1600 you should first invest in a new GPU rather than a new CPU as Steve suggested, this gives you more of an uplift because you are more likely to be limited by the GPU.

[@kravenfoxbodies2479]

@@StarDustForge I only have one system with a 2017 era MSI B350M Gaming Pro, it has a 1600 AF with 32Gb of 3600Mhz memory but running XMP1 profile at 3333Mhz long term since it was $85 for the cpu, memory cost more lol, it has a RX 580 8Gb from back so long ago $189 new, 5600 or not ?

[@shaneeslick]

G'day @@kravenfoxbodies2479 I have a R5 1400 (4c/4t), MSI B450M-Gaming Plus, 16GB-3200 & MSI RX580Gaming Plus (1421MHz) & when Gaming the RX580 is pegged at 100% so even your R5 1600 is plenty Powerful enough to get the most out of your current GPU, To Get a Satisfyingly Noticeable Gaming Performance Gain as Steve & Stardust said your best plan is to upgrade the GPU to at least performance of 6600/6600XT or RTX GPU first because even without a new CPU you will get a Noticeable Performance Boost then another Noticeable Boost when you upgrade the CPU, but a CPU Upgrade first won't be worth the money as you will still be Stuck at RX580 Gaming Performance.

[@MaxIronsThird]

@@kravenfoxbodies2479 No, you'll need a RX6600/5600XT, a RTX3060/2070/1080Ti or better to see performance increase.

[@henkpotgieter5299]

agreed, I am currently running my R5 1600 with an RX 6600

[@DannyzReviews]

The ability to simply drop in a new cpu, while keeping everything else in the system the same, and attaining this much performance is quite mind boggling. Here's hoping the new AM5 platform will follow the same path.

[@JackPecker911]

Could you possibly do 5800X3D vs 1800x or perhaps even the 1700? Would be interesting to see a similar core count CPU from AMD and see how big the step is from the start to the final iteration, including games and other programs as well

[@geerstyresoil3136]

yea, to me that would be the best bench. I am guessing they are waiting for the next official AGESA bios since it is suppose to bring further optimizations for 5800X3D.

[@Gindi4711]

Suggestion after Zen4 launch: 7800X vs. 5800X3D vs. 2700X vs. 1800X But all AM4 CPUs tested with old mainstream RAM/mainboards from 2017/18 (something like DDR4/2666 CL16). So you can see what you get if you: a) Buy a new Zen4 + board + RAM b) Upgrade only the CPU

[@igoresque]

also 1700 should be OC’d to at least 3.9GHz, since it’s pretty ez for those chips and should be done by most users, unlike going over stock on Zen 2 and up

[@JackPecker911]

Should have both honestly, out of the box without any tweaking and with OC results for both parts. It wouldn't be a fair comparison pushing something to it's limit and not doing so on both components

[@igoresque]

@@JackPecker911 pushing 5000 series with core OC probably won't amount to much increase in any games and you'll lose your PB, while on 1000 series PB is very primitive and useless. OC'ing first Ryzen was a go-to for many people because of how easy and straightforward it was, since AMD had left so much performance on the table, which can't be said about 3000 and 5000 chips.

[@robertstan298]

I think it's more useful for end users to frame it like: RX 6600 XT + R5 5600 *is nearly 30% faster (@1080p) in games than* RX 6950 XT + R5 1600

[@kajurn791]

Everybody buying a 6950xt for 1080p gaming is nuts. That's a card aimed at 4k and maybe 1440p.

[@tyre1337]

@@kajurn791 i've met clowns who say they bought a 3080 ti for 1080p to be "futureproof"

[@BlackJesus8463]

@@tyre1337 I mean they got like 500Hz monitors now,,, if you're crazy enough.

[@TVAlien]

@@kajurn791 I mean they're not wrong. My 1080ti was a 4k to 1440p card when I bought it. It is now a 1080p and 1440p card. Especially in very hard to run games, where I can't even get 60fps. As a 1080p card 4 years later, it's still quite good.

[@lagarttemido]

@@kajurn791 If you plan to play competitive games with every quality setting at max and would like to maintain 360 FPS minimum to pair it with a 360 Hz monitor (1080p), a 6950 XT is actually a requirement.

[@mix3k818]

Crazy how much has changed since Ryzen was first being introduced

[@benjy117]

Yes, I remember paying that 330$ for that 1700 back in 2017. Finally got rid of my 8320e cpu. Was a massive upgrade.

[@Relayer6a]

And how little things changed before. But there are still lots of people who would rather give Intel their money than AMD.

[@mix3k818]

@@Relayer6a To be fair, if you can ignore power consumption, Intel now has a better low-end lineup.

[@Relayer6a]

@@mix3k818 My point is Intel if they could would simply keep giving us the same thing year after year with 5-10 % annual IPC increases again if they could. They were charging a grand for quad cores years ago. Made us buy mew mobos if we wanted a new CPU, etc... Why would anyone want to go back to that?

[@pf100andahalf]

Zen 3 is truly amazing. I upgraded from a 3600 to a 5800x with a 3060 ti and the performance increase was rather dramatic. What a profound increase it would be going from a 1600 to a 5600!

[@GefilteFish.]

that's going to be my newphew soon. my other newphew, plan to give him my old cpu, 2600x. He will go from fx8350 to 2600x

[@LuisC7]

This is exactly the video I was waiting for! I'm definitely upgrading now from my 1600! Such a huge difference just for a literal drop-in upgrade on my motherboard!

[@wayland7150]

I've been through almost all RYZENs on my X470 board. The 1600 was a huge bottleneck but the 3600 pretty much eliminated the problem. Yes the 5600 is better but the difference is less noticeable. I'm on 5900X right now and the computer feels very smooth.

[@peterruskov]

Depends what you mean by "huge bottleneck". You get 80-100 fps, so for 90%+ of the people this is plenty enough as high refresh monitors are still under 10% of the market and if you factor that most of them are using even slower cards than 6600 XT/ 3060 it's even less people that will experience bottlenecks.

[@wayland7150]

@@peterruskov This video demonstrates the problem very clearly. With the 1600 the expensive GPU is no better than the cheap one. There are people on the RYZEN 1600 who upgraded their GPU who got no benefit yet had they kept their GPU and upgraded their CPU they would have got benefit. However if you don't think there is any point in going above 100FPS then probably no point in those faster GPUs. The point was illustrated well when in some of the games the 5600 + 6600 was faster than 1600 +6950. You don't need a high refresh rate monitor to appreciate high FPS, it just helps a lot.

[@peterruskov]

@@wayland7150 Then you just up the graphic settings and you are GPU bound again. My point is if you don't have 120/144Hz monitor ( acording to Google high refresh rate sales are under 10%) there is little reason to upgrade.

[@Irthiza]

“Computer feels very smooth”. Dude, even my Windows 98 PC with pentium 4 processor and 128 MB ram felt “smooth”. You do not need a 5900X for that.

[@GioCTRL]

Insane how amd enthusiasts go off on each other even, pathetic movement that amd has created. Each their own guys some enjoy 60fps as enough others need the silky smooth 144hz experience anyways pathetic that you guys go at each other.

[@ToadyEN]

The drop in compatibility of the 5600 and b350 is amazing 🤩

[@BlackJesus8463]

It really is.

[@hungrymidget3896]

yeah shame intel had to force their hand lmao, they lost my sale, i went from a 1600 to intel.

[@BlackJesus8463]

@@hungrymidget3896 You go DDR5 or what?

[@Smallman647]

@@hungrymidget3896 yeah, a lot of people here forget that AMD tryed 2 times to block b350/x370/b450/x470 from using 5000 series. And they blocked it for 1 year and half on b350/x370. Now that intel got competitive they unlocked it and AMD seems like a good guy.

[@yeetyeetpotatoskeet7948]

@@hungrymidget3896 what do you mean?

[@undissatisfied1557]

This is EXACTLY what I wanted to see from someone! I have a 1600X with x370 and I am going to buy a 5950X from a friend soon. Wanted to see a ballpark of games and productivity compared. I appreciate you guys. Edit: I specifically remember when buying my CPU in 2017 that they wanted to guarantee support for AM4 until at least 2020, but I can't remember when that specifically ended on their first promise. I'm just very happy I bought in on first gen and they allow zen 3 on my board.

[@mariomolnar3184]

I am still using the 1600 since 2017. Still loving it

[@ImTheSnack]

It would be cool if you did a comparison of 1600 vs 2600 vs 3600 vs 5600, like you did with the X versions!

[@wayland7150]

I think 1600 and 2600 are very similar performance but the gains with FPS of the 2600 are important. 2600 to 3600 is a massive gain in both CPU performance and FPS 3600 to 5600 is a massive gain in CPU performance but because the CPU is no longer the bottleneck the FPS gains are modest. If you want the biggest upgrade for the smallest outlay then the 3600 is the one. The 5600 provides more but costs more, get it if you have the money.

[@woldemunster9244]

@@wayland7150 op is right, it would be cool if they did a comparison. Cool that you have an opinion.

[@MindShackleFilms]

I have a RX 5600 XT and a Ryzen 5 2600X, currently not CPU bottlenecked at all. I game at 1080p. Still not sure if an upgrade of the CPU to a 5600 is worth the $260 Canadian, yet. If I upgraded my GPU I would consider it.

[@takehirolol5962]

@@MindShackleFilms It's fine. I have the 2600 and 5700XT but I play at 1440p or 4K 60 FPS.

[@fippo717]

It does not makes sense they are the same sku

[@Sidewinder1009oli]

AMD didn't know we would be able to put 5000 series CPUs in our B350 boards, but I took the gamble that I would at least be able to put what is now the 3000 series in, and it seems to have definately paid off. This gains AMD lots of points in my book, intel lose so many to me requiring now boards all the time, not just cost but E-Waste too.

[@Sidewinder1009oli]

just ordered a 5600x for my almost 6 year old board

[@wundyboy]

I have the 1600 and, basically, am still happy with it! Being able to drop in the 5600 CPU is a great way to get my system upgraded in the future and I feel extremely grateful for the opportunity! Many years of AM4 support... superb value!!!

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

Intel continuing their "two generations per board" cadence is indeed a fantastic opportunity for AMD to make a similar "through 202X" declaration of use for AM5 like they did AM4. Now that Ryzen has fully established itself as a competitive product line, being able to save multiple hundreds of dollars by not needing a motherboard upgrade for multiple generations will be an even bigger draw than it was for AM4.

[@davidandrew6855]

I agree with you, but to play devils advocate, is it really that big of a deal? I bet there are still many running a 9900K on a z390 board nearly 4 years later. That is still a very capable CPU. Take the 12th generation for example, if you have that platform, chances are well over 90% that bought that are not going to upgrade to Raptor Lake, or even the generation after that, where a new mobo would be needed. By the time a 12700K/12900K are in need of replacement, most will want a new board with new features to use. If I had snagged a 10900K back in the day, even as good as Alder Lake is I would not upgrade. Chances are for those that do buy top flagship Intel parts, the tend to stick with them for awhile I would think. Don't get me wrong I'm happy I can upgrade to a series 5000 CPU finally on my B350 board, but with Intel being as performant as it has been, going back to Kaby Lake, vs Ryzen, I just don't know that higher-end Intel users upgrade as much as we think. And of course this is within the microcosm of gaming only, productivity is a totally different conversation.

[@jacobvriesema6633]

I think AMD probably gained some good market share with AM4. If they keep up their good work, they could continue making progress. Steam’s May 2022 hardware survey has AMD at 32%. Going back to February 2018 and AMD was at ~10%.

[@xkillerpn]

Put the 7700k in the mix also. Loads os people got the Intel one and not the ryzen at the time. Maybe it's a good comparison just to see how good of a deal the ryzen platform was at the time. You videos are always top 5* .

[@kyperioth4212]

Not an Intel purchaser, when I can, and the 7700K is a good CPU regardless.

[@Random-yq1wu]

Ryzen first gen is slower than 6700K & 7700K in gaming.

[@mired7546]

7700K was top, but 1600 wasnt. it should compare with r7 1800X

[@jacobc5747]

lol the R5 1600 was the same price as the i5 7500 here. 7700k compared to r7 1800x today would be interesting though.

[@patrickc8007]

7700k would destroy it.

[@Blinker18]

Interesting to see how the R5 1600 aged well against the i5 7600K now..

[@imo098765]

some games on the 7600K are unplayable with wild fps swings

[@snowhawk4049]

Would be nice to clarify whether this is a 1600 12nm or 14nm. It shows at 1:29 an AF version which would be technically closer to a 2600.

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

They would've said if it was a 1600af. This 1600 is 5 years old if you listened

[@ipertatosellinas615]

its around a 3% diffrence so it does not really matter for the general comparison

[@dionmiller8547]

I wondered that too.

[@Spido68_the_spectator]

1600 is 14 nm. 1600 AF 12 nm

[@giorx5]

Good test! Did the upgrade from Ryzen 5 2600X to 5600 the previous month and even games not so CPU sensitive as The Witcher 3 got from 105 to 130FPS.

[@jonson856]

If I remember correctly AMD promised to maker upgradability possible for 4 (ryzen) generations. One time it was feared that it would only be 3 generations. But in the end it was 5 generations. That's quite the surprise I guess.

[@ionstorm66]

To think you could still get more performance out of some games going to a 5800x3d.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

They said "through 2020," and we got "through 2022" thanks to COVID delaying Zen 4. Quite satisfactory. Hopefully we get a concrete promise like that for AM5 as well.

[@reinhardtwilhelm5415]

It was 4 - the “Ryzen 4000” series doesn’t exist.

[@soggycatgirl]

@@reinhardtwilhelm5415 it does tho - yes, even on desktops. It's just irrelevant.

[@reinhardtwilhelm5415]

@@soggycatgirl But it’s not a “generation” in any sense of the word, just a gimped version of Zen 2.

[@mihajlojankovic4343]

Looking to upgrade my 2600 to 5600 or 5700x, 2600 was very good CPU served me well in years

[@Zerasad]

Wish we saw the performance gains with an RX 570 / GTX 1060 as well. For those of us that are waiting to pull the trigger on a new graphics card it would be interesting to see if getting a new CPU in the meantime is worth the effort.

[@francoi3130]

This

[@fajaradi1223]

Probably not much, if there's any gain at all.

[@francoi3130]

Found this video, bad thing is that he used low preset for all the games, but regardless of that it shows a big improvement in 1% lows in most games kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaW3pZugm8SFhJI

[@silenthero2795]

I did just that upgrading from 2200g to 5600x since I found it very cheap in the 2nd hand market. I'm still using the RX570 and what I noticed is that fps seems to be more stable and the stutters barely show anymore. It may not gain more fps but it is a lot smoother now compared to 2200g. Even using the PC feels "snappier" as if I'm using a different PC altogether.

[@realista182]

same board. i have 1060 3gb curious if jump from 1600 to 5600 would be sufficient to have smoother framerate on games ad avoid the low framerate loss on some gaming moments

[@ranakirti]

a comparison sought by many many 1st gen ryzen owners.. Awesome work... 😊👍

[@cadebedell]

I think it would be an interesting comparison to see how cpus have progressed in the 5 years between 2017 and 2022 compared to the progress made between the five years between 2012 and 2017. It would show how cpu performance improvements are much larger year over year when there is real competition in the market

[@Owen-fn8ff]

Hi Steve, with AM4 now approaching the end of the road, I and multiple other owners of several AM4 systems that have been playing around with upgrading and swapping CPUs in and out over the years, were wondering where do all the CPUs stand currently. There are so many options now from 1600, to 2600, 3400g, 3300x, 4750g, 3600, 3950x, 5500, 5600x, 5950x, 5800x3d. So many unique and different CPUs in one platform. Though it does get confusing. It deserves some sort of final valedictory gpu type benchmark with all of them on one graph just to know where they stand. What do you think?

[@aeonranger1554]

Hi guys. Just a quick mesage to say thanks so much for the video. Because of this I ordered a Ryzen 5600 yesterday to upgrade from my Ryzen 1600 I had since the start of 2018 on my ASUS B350 motherboard. Pretty much painless drop-in upgrade and I already notice how much smoother and snappier just about everything is. So again thanks so much and I look forward to more videos in the future!

[@myew]

In 2019 pre-pandemic I built a b450 system with the original Ryzen 1600 and overclocked it. Then later in 2021 I upgraded it to the 5600X. I should have waited and spent a little more initially to get the 2600 since the 3600 had just come out, then held off until the 5600x went down rather than paying full price. Regardless of my poor financial decisions though, the jump in performance was absolutely noticeable and well worth it. Glad I went with AM4's upgrade path.

[@BlackJesus8463]

How fast can you run RAM on your B450?

[@myew]

@@BlackJesus8463 I didn't remember offhand. I bought a cheap kit of 2x8 GB DDR4 1333mhz with an XMP profile of 1500MHz 16CL for around $50. I used a Ryzen memory overclocking tool to adjust the timings. According to CPU-Z I'm running 16GB at 1600Mhz/3200 DDR4 with 14CL. Nothing super high end but performance has been great for the price.

[@BlackJesus8463]

@@myew not bad

[@vasiliyt8600]

I am currently with my _Ryzen 5 1600_ and the _MSI B350m Mortar Arctic,_ that I bought *just a month after the initial release* of the Ryzen platform in 2017. It's crazy that I can install since the latest BIOS update a _Ryzen 7 5700G_ (8c/16t APU), Ryzen 7 5800X3D_ (8c/16t) and even a _Ryzen 9 5950X_ (16c/32t) on the same Motherboard five years later! I am so glad that I didn't bought the _Intel i7 7700_ (4c/8t) that I was interested in back then.

[@longdang2681]

4:50 did he say that cyberpunk 2077 gets roughly a gain of 40% @ 1080p, and a 15-20% gain @1440p if paired with a 6600xt? looking at the graphs, is the 6600xt @1440p bars not within the margin of error except for the 1% lows which is 10% gain?

[@megapixeler]

I got the R5 1600 in 2017 and that CPU is till rocking on my wife's PC... It has been the best CPU in terms of price/performance/aging that i've gotten so far.

[@TheNerd]

Even if I'm a 5950X owner out of curiousity: Did you test the 1600 with the microcode updates from the latest Bios Versions (aka you used it to flash the efi and tested after the flash) or did you first test the 1600 and then flashed the efi? Officially AMD and most Motherboard manufacturers do not recommed to use the lastest EFI Verisons on CPU's prior 3000 Series, but my 2700X worked just fine after flashing the 5000X Series EFI.

[@mroutcast8515]

Upgraded to R5 5600 from R5 2600 - cost me 100€ out of own pocket because old CPU sold for 105€ lol (just few euro less than what I paid for it nearly 3 years ago). Then undervolted with per core PBO curve optimizer, getting ~4.45GHz all core full load boost, and 4.65GHz single core / low load multicore boost. I'm on RX 6600 XT and performance is much smoother due much better 1% and 0.1% lows (playing mostly AAA and narrative driven games, so average fps is not as important for me as in competitive games but frametime performance is so much better)

[@thepatriot6966]

My 5600x is at 4.85ghz all core oc at 1.27v LLC lv5. 1.22v Full Load. (MSI BIOS). 100% stable and passes Large FFT with AVX test in OCCT for 30 minutes and Realbench 10 hours.

[@mroutcast8515]

@@thepatriot6966 Well I'm doing that at stock PPT, EDC and TDC, lol. Just claimed my free performance boost for now (may consider increasing power limits when I need more performance in the future). Flat overclocking is terrible way to go on Zen 3. You would be far more efficient by fine tuning undervolt with curve optimizer and then adjusting power limits to get best stable performance.

[@thepatriot6966]

@@mroutcast8515 FIT voltage for my chip is 1.31v. My fixed voltage is at 1.27v. At medium loads it sits at around 60-65w. PPT set to 140w, EDC Stock. TDC is 80a. It only pulls close to 125w during stress tests. Runs cool as well in gaming situations never goes over 65c. Can't beat a custom water loop ;)

[@neoaliens8635]

Always great to watch your great videos Steve! I'm very happy with my new Ryzen 5 5600. In the meantime I'm still waiting for your RX 6800 vs RTX 3070 Ti 50 games benchmark in 2022 when you have the time to do it!

[@AnonymoZero]

I just recently got a MSI B450M Pro-M2 Max mobo a few days ago, so I was looking to see if a 5600 or 5600x was a budget cpu choice.

[@GasMarijo]

Amazing, just bought 5600 to replace my 1600, should arrive in 2 days, running it on MSI b350 pro-vd plus, can't wait to install it, thanks a lot good sir for such awesome videos!!!

[@SimonMedia666]

I started with 1600, then I am now on 3700x for over a year and probably will move to 5800x or even 5800x3d - still on the same board :)

[@jacobvriesema6633]

I just picked up a 5800X for US$300 on Newegg! I had my eye on the 5700X cause the extra $30-50 or so dollars doesn’t get you much more power. But when I saw the 5800X for basically the same price as the 5700X, I couldn’t refuse.

[@johnnyrebellion8672]

5900x is cheaper than the 5800x3d and is MUCH better in productivity and the same in gaming.

[@RabbyBabu]

Holy shit I didn't know I needed this video until I saw this in my notification!!! Thanks Steve for the work you put into this.

[@erlienfrommars]

I know the gaming performance leap is monumental from Zen to Zen 3 but I'm wondering how much is the application performance jump from 1600 - 5600, both in ST and MT on the other hand?

[@m00nyoze]

This is so well done. Awesome video and just what I needed to know. Having both GPUs was a brilliant move.

[@BlackJesus8463]

Wish I bought that motherboard back in the day. I always thought I'd go 12 or 16 cores eventually but the 5600 is everything I need.

[@cwells.pottery]

Crazy. I have a b350 and 1600 and was considering upgrading this weekend. Thanks for this!

[@evers6214]

My r5-1600 has served me very well over the years. id probably still keep it if my current favorite game elden ring wasn't so cpu bottlenecked by it. so last week when the 5600 went on sale for the silly price of $129 I ordered one. it arrives in a couple days. updating the bios on my b350 was scary at first but actually was pretty simple and seems to have worked. I'm looking forward to dropping this thing in and probably sell the 1600 for a good bit. Very cheap for such a substantial upgrade its awesome this is available and unfortunate that AMDs current stuff is so so expensive in comparison.

[@stpdpenguin]

Same here but going from 1400 to 5600 It will be a massive difference! Can’t wait!

[@evers6214]

@@stpdpenguin I completed my upgrade. Can’t hardly believe it was so easy and cheap to get a massive performance boost out of my aging pc. Nearly flawless experience almost had a heart attack when I dropped my heavy screwdriver onto the motherboard while disconnecting the cpu cooler 😝. The old wraith spire that came with the 1600 works great with the 5600. I was never a power user but I did notice everything runs snappier including steam updates and loading screens. Doom eternal went from 120 fps 1080p nightmare (rx6600) up to 190 fps. Elden ring was dipping into the 40s during big boss fights now its a solid locked 60 so im happy.

[@leechburglights]

My 2018 x370 system went from an 1800x to a 3900x in 2019. Then this week I received the 5950x for only ($540) and will extend the life of my Asrock Taichi 😀. Good for another 3 years. Meanwhile I'm upgrading my sister's PC from a 1300x to my old 1600. More than she will need for here media and Facebook usage. Live seeing these videos and reminded me of the longevity I've enjoyed and appreciated with Ryzen since my 1600 build in 2017.

[@Bare_Essence]

Though most will not have issues, I experienced issues with X370 and a change from 1700 - 5900X with high VRM temps when CPU loaded (reasonable temps when normally loaded or loaded with lighter tasks) and 2 and 4 slot memory boot loop issues even at 2133Mhz; also tried 1866Mhz. I literally have to boot with one stick, set XMP to 3200, boot into windows, shutdown, add 2nd stick, and finally boot normally from then on. Each BIOS upgrade could reset that, and I need to repeat. Also, one 5xxx supported BIOS permitted 4x16GB sticks of 3200Mhz with this pattern, but the most recent BIOS now boot loops with 4 sticks. So, all is not perfect in the land of X370 and 5xxx, but it was great while it lasted when I could boot a 5900X with 64GB 3200 memory and be stable to run massive conversion tasks. Also, cannot down grade to the 64GB working BIOS due to downgrade limitations despite it being the same 5xxx supporting series. In case anyone read this far, ASRock X370 Killer A/C and Oloy 4x16GB CL16 memory.

[@BlackJesus8463]

I can't use my RAM at full speed on X470 at any voltage with any CPU.

[@jcbc5950]

Hi Steve! Idea for video, battle of the value midrange Ryzen 5600 vs Alder Lake 12400F 25 or 40 game battle! including the popular multiplayer games like CSGO, PUBG, Valorant, Warzone, Apex like you do with your other battles! Your 9 game comparison video was good but not as good as your comprehensive 25 or 40 game battles

[@ZaberfangX]

I moved from 1600X to 5600X with a 6700xt, I am seeing 60 to 80 in Ultra in Cyberpunk 2077 under Linux. Was a big gain everything just jumped 3x then my old set up 1600X and a 1070 Ti.

[@BlackJesus8463]

I did a similar upgrade from about that power draw and I get 3x performance considering frames and higher quality. I'm pretty happy I get to keep using my mobo and RAM for another 3 years at least.

[@jacobc5747]

sweet. You have my same eye for value. I went R5 1600 + RX 570... to R5 1600 + GTX 1070ti... to R5 5600x with RTX 3060 ti. ALL on the same motherboard!

[@ZaberfangX]

@@jacobc5747 Sadly for me Asus didn't update my bios so I needed to get a new motherboard to even use a 5600X.

[@ahcteamkosova868]

@@ZaberfangX Msi didn't udpate mine either until just recently. Did they say they won't upgrade it or you just didn't wait long enough? I have a b450 tomahawk (non max) since 2018, one of the best boards in it's price-tier.

[@lorgar87]

Thank you for your work! I have a R5 1600x on a b450 mortar motherboard. Will be looking to upgrade to this or even an 8 core 5000 series cpu at some point this year hopefully

[@nonstickmeat]

Steve, I bought a 3600 on your recommendation. Can you make a video like this so I can see if a 5600 is worth the upgrade?

[@evila9076]

It's not

[@Happiness-lp9fw]

Pretty sure you can google it and get the idea is it's worth it or not.

[@jimmyjango5213]

Do what I did and go from 3600 to 5800X3D. Now that is an upgrade!

[@mrbobgamingmemes9558]

Not worth it unless you are hardcore esport gamer or you play singleplayer games that are insanely cpu intensive like teardown, cities skylines, beamng drive ,etc

[@georgemorley1029]

Unless you’re on CPU bound e-sports titles like CSGO, no. You won’t tell the difference outside productivity tasks.

[@LordCiego]

Thx for the video. Just made the change right now from a 1600 to a 5600 and from a quick test without tuning the memory, in a test place in Guild Wars 2 i went form about 40fps to about 80fps so yes, a 100% gain in that case! 😃

[@ethanvalentine4299]

the more I see these vids the more I cant wait for zen4 so I can see those comparisons. No doubt going from my zen1+ 2600 to either a 5600 or 7600 will be significant. But will the price to upgrade mobo and ram be worth the jump in performance? Either way I'm waiting before I buy anything.

[@SuperibyP]

This is exactly my position too. I'm on a 1700 @4GHz (so basically 1800 stock performance) I'm going to wait for the 7800 before deciding on whether to jump to zen 4 or zen 3

[@GTFour]

It won’t be. Just drop in a 5600x for a big performance boost right now while the very expensive DDR5 and pcie5 motherboards come down in price for couple years then capitalise on that price decrease for your next next upgrade.

[@daleogilvie3576]

Hey, thanks for your excellent work here. I have just upgraded my Ryzen 5 1600 to a Ryzen 5 5600 on my Asus Strix B350F Gaming. Very smooth upgrade. With the new CPU I was able to use D.O.C.P xmp on my memory, which previously had been stuck at 2133Mhz. Using 3200 happily now. Also, now, Windows 11 is an option, as previously the 1600 was not good enough for Win 11. It is very impressive (thanks AMD and Asus) to be able to drop a new CPU into this old platform. Great stuff!

[@Kev-.]

Hey Steve, could you do a comparison between the r5 2600 to the r5 5600?. Love the videos👍

[@jacobc5747]

cool to see this. This is the upgrade I made on my B450 board I had for years. Pretty nice one from AMD, I personally don't expect another platform quite this good ever.

[@VascovanZeller]

Will you consider doing the same for the 3600? Us 3600 owners will need to decide between investing further into am4 or to jump elsewhere - and your comparisons would be great food for thought!

[@hiXhaX-YT]

Obviously it's better to invest into am4. A 5600-upgrade will only cost around $70(?) or even less while anything else will cost hundreds of dollars.

[@metamon2704]

Yeah a comparison of the all the 6 cores mainstream AM4 cpus would have been better just to get a gist of how the performance increase was from 1600->2600->3600->5600

[@awsan111]

you have the mobo? sell your 3600 and snag a cheap 5600

[@jimmyjango5213]

5800X3D man, it's what I did and it was a no-brain move!

[@hiXhaX-YT]

@@jimmyjango5213 your upgrade costs for the x3d will go up by over 9000% :)

[@CSagan710]

Went from 1600 to 5600x. Great upgrade. Would have waited one more gen but my Gigabyte board crapped out. Lows are greatly improved on my 1060. Can't wait to let it really shine with a new GPU and monitor set up sometime in the next year.

[@UrAvgGamer]

Damn, this one hurts. I have the 1600 with the 1080 and ive been holding on for so long Im not sure if I should pull the trigger for the 5600, it's so cheap and MSI just released a bios for the b350m mortar arctic supporting it 👀

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Why does that hurt? Sounds like a blessing to me.

[@hiXhaX-YT]

Stop writing KZbin comments! Go buy now! :)

[@BlindNeverAgain]

@@Hardwareunboxed sounds like a latam user...

[@jimmyjango5213]

5800X3D is what I got and it is beast! DO IT!!!!! No regrets here!

[@Kanivalos80]

A friend of mine, had the same set up R5 1600/ 1080 with an asrockB350M pro4. He went to 5600x and 6700x...Sell your R51600 and buy 5600/X 100% worthy upgrade.

[@VEN0M415]

I recently got the 5600x as it was on sale going down to around $200 usd which surprised me but hey not a bad purchase and I'm happy with its performance and thermals in my itx system.

[@BlackJesus8463]

I got my 5600 for $150 at Microcenter no bundle required. 😜

[@leob_v2]

Whoa - thanks for this - I had no idea my 1600 is actually so much of a bottleneck for my RTX3070 - I would have expected maybe ~30-40% effectively, but definitely not this much. Will wait for 7000 series and upgrade!

[@valenciodiaz2644]

Looks like the 1600 is still a great cpu for another 2-3 years for gaming unless your work involves a better pc specs.

[@古明地恋-s9c]

Spoiler alert: it is not. First gen Ryzen suck on single core, and therefore in games dependent on single core such as GTA V, sucks. I was trying to find out how I use 1070 yet only having 60ish fps with no answer, but only my friend told me such piece of truth.

[@MarcosCodas]

Can we please get this same comparison but for productivity workloads?

[@cspc2570]

Well done. Makes me wonder where the 3600 slots in there.

[@Mike0]

There are loads of 3600 vs 5600, 5800 & 5800x3d on KZbin. At 1440p most of the games were gpu limited

[@joemarais7683]

You can check out the ryzen scaling video, which is essentially the same exact thing as this video except with 2 more cpus. Or the gpu scaling video which is the same as this video except with 2 more cpus and 3 other gpus. Or the platform comparison comparison which is the same video except they added an earlier ryzen and earlier Intel CPU to show am4 good lga whatever bad. They've made this video so many times, you can find that info easily.

[@margenov]

Was the chart wrong for CP2077? You were saying a lot higher gains than the chart showed.

[@Lethalwick5673]

I Upgraded From Ryzen 5 1600AF to Ryzen 5 5600 on ASUS PRIME A320M-K motherboard no Problems Mate

[@srinivasprasad837]

I'm thinking of the same, is it a noticeable difference in daily use such as browsing and coding ?

[@Kevin-fl7mj]

@@srinivasprasad837 its snappy as hell,idk if that is worth for you tho

[@Lethalwick5673]

@@srinivasprasad837 for gaming it's was worth it for me

[@hiXhaX-YT]

Did i miss what ram is being used? It always makes me wonder how much performance is left on the table if you still use that ddr4 value kit from 2017 for your new 5600

[@ryanwallace983]

They’ve gone over this before, the 3200Mhz kit they use outperforms many other kits It’s dual rank and dual channel, it’s about the best you can get without un-syncing the infinity clock and IMC

[@zbrkesbris5987]

@@ryanwallace983 it is also somewhat "outdated" (3200 cl14). There are faster kits with better timings out there that perform better and still are in 1:1 mode with infinity fabric (3600 CL14 kits)

[@ryanwallace983]

@@zbrkesbris5987 true but it shouldn’t be that big of a delta

[@NinTech]

AM4: the best platform ever!

[@samgoff5289]

It definitely is the best platform longevity ever...but not the best platform ever obviously z690 is newer and has much more to offer hopefully am5 matches that and lasts just as long tho 🤞 X to doubt though 😞

[@Drumonymus]

Tank you for this comparison, I've been thinking of upgrading my 1600 for a while now. But after watching this Video I know I'm fine for now with my 1060/1600 Setup, but once I upgrade, I need to upgrade both of them 😂

[@csowner2048]

The 1600 even on latest games still gets well over 100+fps on the latest titles, you won’t have a problem running any game as long as you have a mid tier high tier gpu it’s obvious. Don’t waste your money going for a 5000 series just wait until the zen 5 cpus coming out next year for a way better upgrade cause you don’t even need to upgrade when most games still run fine on first gen zen

[@lloydaran]

This would've been even more interesting with a GPU from the same era or so... Say, an RX 580 or 590, or a GTX 1060 or 1070, since it would also be interesting to see if there's anything to gain, when upgrading either the GPU or the CPU, in terms of cost effectiveness. I doubt anybody in their right mind bought a 6950XT thinking "yeah my R5 1600 will hold up no problem", well, even with a 6600XT that would've been wishful thinking.

[@takehirolol5962]

There would be a small difference with those GPUs at 1080p and none at 1440p. The 6600XT is only inferior to a 1080 Ti from that era.

[@magottyk]

Given that the 6600XT is twice the performance of an RX 580, there's little gain just upgrading the CPU as you'll be constantly GPU limited. Finding out just where the CPU becomes the bottleneck with GPUs and game settings is data that's hard to find and you often have to extrapolate from relative performance of different GPUs and the resolution and settings you're gaming at. Given the 5600 is 44% faster on average with the 6600XT than the 1600 @ 1080p, then using the relative performance of GPUs @ 1080p, then the upgrade starts to make sense with a Vega 56 or better GPU given that the 6600XT is 47% faster than Vega 56 @ 1080p. With the 25 game data @ 1440p, the difference is 15% with the 6600XT, so you'd start to see benefits upgrading to a 5600 if you had a 2070/5700XT or better GPU. Of course individual game preferences will vary those guidelines.

[@jablue4329]

This just validated my experiences so much. I went from a B450 board and a 1600 to a 5600x in 2020 and I was kinda stunned at the increases, even at 1440p.

[@Scott99259]

1600 is still enough for decent gaming

[@emilivanov8507]

Upgraded to 5600 from 2600 a couple of months ago and can confirm at least 50% boost in games , paired with a 1080. Overall very pleased with the result. Also a week later sold the 2600 for almost half the price of the new CPU, which was bough on a sale btw.

[@bluej511]

Best decision was going from a 1700x to 2700x, better decision was getting a 5800x lol.

[@ianmoone8244]

1:23 Steve do the pins in the CPU align correctly with the pads in the motherboard? I wonder a long time if is possible to solder the CPU(with its pins) directly on the motherboard.

[@warrenskeen9203]

Not possible and why would anyone want to do this? Laptops have e soldered chips but the sockets are totally different. It's not pads on the motherboard it's holes for the pins to plug into. Sorry but I see no upside apart from not being g able to change the CPU without a new motherboard?

[@ianmoone8244]

@@warrenskeen9203 if the pins align correctly I guess that its possible! I asked because I guess the balls on my socket in the second memory channel is cracked, if I met someone to solder the CPU in the motherboard to me I'll have no problems. I'm using just 1 memory stick, if I put another one I got blue screens. Can be a motherboard project problem but I guess I f***ed the CPU socket putting many pressure when when I improvised the AM3 clamp on a new(but without AM4 compatible mount mechanism), then with time I got blue screens... :( so I left to a 'technician' and he just make a f***ing ultrasonic wash. ¬¬ Then I'm cripple with just one memory stick... :( Some guy(with no need to be a 'technician') can take out the socket and solder the CPU to the motherboard with just a hot air station to solve my problem, because if the ball on the socket are cracked then this in causing the BSODs and I solve it, with the option to change the CPU in the future. If was LGA socket all the pins will broke! xD :(

[@goob8945]

The 5600X is an amazing product, hasn’t failed to demolish anything I put it through

[@nKrandom]

He's talking about the 5600 non-X.

[@nayan.punekar]

So the 5600x demolishes anything you put it through?damn bruh I feel sad for you since you can't run any games or even an operating system as your cou demolishes everything you put it through.It's probably a faulty one and you should get it exchanged with something that could actually do some tasks than demolishing the tasks.

[@catsspat]

You might say it "bulldozes" through any workload you throw at it, unlike Bulldozer. How times have changed (for the better).

[@nayan.punekar]

@@catsspat Faulty cpu moment.

[@nealwesco7465]

@@catsspat Or possibly it could be....piledriving the workload?.....I'll see myself out

[@tomvandongen8075]

Me, with an R5 1600, Vega 56 and 1080p 75Hz display: "yeah, maybe I do need performance boosted from 140 FPS to 250 FPS!"

[@therabidscorpion]

I'm on a Ryzen 5 1600 machine with a GTX 1650 card. Just put in an order for a Ryzen 5 5600x and RTX 3050 today. My current machine is still running great and keeping up wonderfully. Building a separate rig and keeping my 1600 as a backup rather than upgrading.

[@NamAim1991]

I've been through B350, B450, and X570, a Ryzen 5 1600, 2700x, and 5900x... Each time I upgraded I either sold off my old hardware, gifted it, or used it for a spare computer. Couldn't be happier with the AM4 platform.

[@tompayne4945]

I like the vid, but it misses a SUPER IMPORTANT point. As boost clocks only applied to a single core on original Zen, a simple all core OC was a HUGE help and easy to do. My upgrade from 1600x on an all core 4.0 to a 2600x was actually a side to downgrade until it got alot of tweaking. This should've been covered here.

[@stefanstefanov5090]

Started my first PC build with Pentium G4560 with a GTX 1050Ti (really budget oriented build back in 2017), got a R5 1600 with GTX 1070 in 2019, had to sell, bought R5 3400g with no DGPU due to inflated prices in 2020, had to sell, now proud owner of R5 5600 and RX 6600XT. Sadly I am working far away from home and can't wait for my winter vacation

[@pessoaanonima6345]

I upgraded to the 1600af from the 2200g last year. I bought it used, and planned to sell my 2200g for about the same price (if I hadn't bent the pins while removing it 🤦‍♂️). As I didn't need the igpu, it was worth it. Looking back, I should have bought the 4500. A bit more expensive, but around 20% better. The 1600af is working really well though.

[@NetNeelsie]

Thank you. Can I ask what settings Steve use in Fortnite? I have fluctuations between 28 and 140 FPS and I don't know if there is a specific setting causing trouble. Also if there is like a twitch clip of it somewhere, can someone the clip. Thank you in advance.

[@MaximLaeveren]

I was wondering the same thing. When on Performance mode I have high fluctuations in pre-game and very early game. Just tested with DX12 and there are still fluctuations but fewer it seems. Steve, do you include pre-game in your testing and do you see the same fluctuations?

[@NetNeelsie]

@@MaximLaeveren See pre-game and early on in a game makes me think slow memory, but this happens all the time for me.

[@MaximLaeveren]

@@NetNeelsie My current system is 5800X3D with 3600CL14 2R, if my Fabric Clock cooperated a bit better I would try 3800. But would that really make a meaningful difference if you have V-Cache?

[@NetNeelsie]

@@MaximLaeveren Jo, sorry. When I said slow memory I was referring to the hard drive I am running the game of.

[@austinfowler2707]

Basically, the averages on the 1600 become the 1% lows of the 5600. That's impressive

[@cyberwomble7524]

Sorry if I missed the explanation, but as the CPU upgrade will allow upgrading to Windows 11, are you comparing both systems running Windows 10 or are you allowing for the bump that Windows 11 will allow on the upgraded system?

[@thedalailmao]

Thank you for making this comparison. Would you please consider a similar video for the i7 8700/ 8700K and the i7 12700/ 12700K/ 12700F/ 12700KF? I presume that a lot of people are on it since 2017-2018 looking for an upgrade this year, including myself :) Cheers!

[@ConstipationNation]

I currently have the Ryzen 5 1600 installed on a MSI B350 tomahawk, did it require an update to the BIOS? And if so, what BIOS version was used for these tests?

[@pyrophobia133]

did the same thing with 1700x to 5700x, went from 110-130 (with the occasional 140+) in CSGO arms race to an impressive 300+ range, what's holding up the processor?

[@1212Diablo]

Hello! Tihs might be a stupid question but how does this affect 4K gaming? I have 1600 right now and only have a 2070 GPU. I know it's far from optimal but since I also use my screen (LG OLED TV) as a TV. I though it was worth the compromise as I know I will upgrade my PC soon enough anyway.

[@Lancer265]

MSI B350M Gaming Pro's bios is ready, i'd like to update it before getting the processor but i'm not sure since I don't know if the latest bios will drop the 1600 compatibility 😖

[@notthedroidsyourelookingfo4026]

How do you expect the 5700X to perform in relation to the 2700(X)? Thinking about an upgrade, using the system mostly for productivity (code compilation, CFD).

[@carlod803]

This is kinda timely, I just ordered a 5700X with a promo (US$250 converted) a day ago to upgrade my R5-1600.