Top 5 Best CPUs 2024: Best Value, Best Gaming...

[@ramonzaions7522]

RIP Gordon!

[@Str953]

I'm new to the channel. Is it the guy in the video?

[@kevinerbs2778]

@@Str953 No he is not, but. He was Journalist & Magazine editor for major PC magazines like boot magazine in the early 2000's & later to maximum PC. He had been working as review/editor for about 30 years. I would go watch the Gamer's Nexus video about him if you want to see or know more.

[@MarioAPN]

​@kevinerbs2778 thanks, your tldr was enough.

[@syncmonism]

The exclaimation point is a questionable choice, but, indeed, rest in peace tech budha. Here's hoping you've reached tech nirvana now.

[@ZZUtopia]

RIP Gordon

[@bmqww223]

yea man i dont know felt like i just saw some of his video and out of sudden .....

[@thecoryguy]

@@bmqww223 try saying that out loud to someone and see what they say

[@bmqww223]

@@thecoryguy what? didnt understand please rephrase

[@chimpo131]

improve your grammar please 😂 ​@@bmqww223

[@bmqww223]

@@chimpo131 ok you understood the message?

[@zodwraith5745]

RIP Gordon Mah Ung, one of if not the most influential PC hardware personalities that's been around since DIY really became something. You will be deeply missed.

[@blackmennewstyle]

RIP Tech Buddha ❤ Long life Steve & Tim ❤

[@AutieTortie]

Live, not life

[@ViewTube_Emperor_of_Mankind]

@@AutieTortie sometimes long life is better than living long.

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

As of this writing, neither Steve (hub or gn) nor tim have expressed suicidal thoughts or tendencies, in case someone else wants to report on them not being with us. ☠️

[@abhilashyadav2274]

That's Racist .

[@cosmic_gate476]

Bro they are like 30, I’m sure they will be ok

[@mark.082]

No 5800X3d and even no 7800X3D Steve? Hell, I'll be the one standing up this time!

[@deadrock1678]

overpriced to hell, the 7800x3D is over 550 euros here in the netherlands, even 600 euros, 9800x3D at 650..

[@Simon_Denmark]

@@deadrock1678 The pricing is actually crazy. I bought 7800X3D at launch for 529 € and it’s pretty much back to that price after almost 2 years. Used to be well under 400 €. Not even going to mention 9800X3D because the availability is still almost non existent.

[@necuz]

5800X3D has turned into unobtanium, 5700X3D is the new value king and obvious #1 CPU of 2024.

[@Boss69292]

Both are overpriced af and are eol

[@mort996]

I wish I was upgrading when 7800x3d was 340 euros here but I guess I can't have nice things. I'll wait until Feb or March to upgrade I guess

[@gentoolive]

Appreciate you leaving out the microcenter exclusives. Don't think we should be advertising for CPU's 99% of the people cannot get.

[@dakbassett]

7:20 and there's still a lot of people who can shop there. Don't be so salty.

[@592Johno]

I didn't even know that CPU exist

[@Inconspicuous_pinetree]

yeah, I just upgraded to the 7600x3d and it is great!

[@dakbassett]

@@Inconspicuous_pinetree what did you upgrade from?

[@big.atom37]

"There is no 5800X3D" It's war then.

[@turk88]

Problem for the last few years is not CPU. It is GPU pricing..

[@gelul12]

600-800 for a 9800x3d is not a problem ?

[@Rolo4733]

Not at all the point of the video...

[@0Synergy]

@@gelul12 Thats literally the top of the line CPU. $600-$800 is mid range for GPU's lmao.

[@gelul12]

@@0Synergy and your point ? The post is about CPU prices not being an issue. wich is false.

[@turk88]

@@gelul12 No. It is not. While it would be great if it was cheaper but compared to GPU pricing, it would be considered reasonable.

[@Thr3eJs]

Ryzen 7 7700 (£165) and Radeon RX 7800XT (£399) combo here. Really happy with it so far

[@malcaniscsm5184]

Very solid combo IMO. Not everything needs to be 4k/144/Ultra to be fun

[@celtshaun1427]

Where are you getting that price for the 7700 as most places have it at £249 and it's not available from the South American Forest.

[@Thr3eJs]

@@malcaniscsm5184 Agreed, I was quite suprised how well the 1440p resolution displays on a 55" 4K/120Hz display too. Doubles up for a solid single player gaming experience, if I'm not at my desk using a 1440p/180Hz monitor. Merry Christmas :)

[@Thr3eJs]

@@celtshaun1427 Take a look on HUKD, just do your research on the sellter. Merry Christmas :)

[@classicallpvault]

@@malcaniscsm5184 4k ultra without any frame drops below 30 is all you need. A 7800XT can do that in most titles.

[@GB-zi6qr]

Eh, while my system is AM4, when I started editing family videos rather than building a whole new system I just picked up a R9 5900x for $250.

[@qrogueuk]

Good upgrade for Am4.

[@_PaKaLu_PapitO]

Gordon Mah Ung RIP 1967-2024

[@thillyard1]

Love your videos I built a budget gaming PC for a friend as a surprise (I’m in the US) and grabbed a 5700x3d off Aliexpress for $129, an open box Asrock Pro AM4 MB for $63, and 32GB DDR4 3200mhz ram for $28 new. I wanted to go AM5 but this combo just destroyed everything else for the same budget. Even the 7500F.

[@_RedsTech_]

Just upgraded to an R7 5700x3d for $160 after tax. Pretty happy with that decision.

[@cicciopiu]

9800X3D. End of the video, thanks for watching.

[@clarence0075]

You beat me to it 😂👍🏾

[@Player_g1]

Not really, for every scenario it will require different cpu to be best at said scenarios

[@cicciopiu]

​@@Player_g1 Yes man, not a serious comment was mine.

[@isomane2408]

Also in my country, it costs 3 times as much as Ryzen 7700 (that in worst case for Ryzen 7700 scenario), according to TechPowerUp delivers 87.4% of 9800x3d's gaming performance, so when budget is not unlimited, you need to consider this fact.

[@Zendarkdagger]

Bruh i can't even find that thing with retail price it's literally 600 dollars in my country

[@CosmicMatt92]

Completely understand the omission of the 7800X3D, it's just way too overpriced now when it's in stock, and a 9800X3D is not much more.

[@Nikk_lx]

In my country 9800x3D is $975 and 7800x3D is $600... I wonder if the prices will go down when the availability of this CPU is normalized

[@sodapopinksi667]

The unavailability of the 9800x3d is pushing the price of the 7800x3d up a bit

[@MrMystang92]

7800x3d on sale right now on amazon

[@drkRoss89]

I actually agree with the 5800x3d not being recommended. It has been discontinued and the 5700X3D is a better value drop-in upgrade for those still rocking the AM4 platform.

[@f1shs4lmon]

Upgraded from 5700x3d to 5800x3d, and I play A LOT of Cyberpunk. I found at 1440p I’m getting a lot of stutter with the 5700x3d (& 3080Ti), with RT and high crowd density. With DLSS Q, the stuttering is even worse as a lot of the time the GPU has to wait for the CPU (with cpu usage get over 80%). With the 5800x3d the problem is largely gone and the gameplay experience is much less frustrating. 5800x3d is really great when you can find a good deal on it, but yeah I don’t think its worth the premium that people are charging for the 5800x3d.

[@jimdob6528]

⁠@@f1shs4lmonto me it sounds like you had a bad 5700x3d. I have built around 30 rigs with it and several of them were for hybrid gaming/workstation setups and have seen none of the issues you are mentioning. Sorry

[@f1shs4lmon]

@ I think maybe I’m just sensitive to stuff like this, I’ve stress tested my 5700x3d numerous times without any issues and works well in other games too, providing some improvements over my original 5600x

[@Lwhchris]

5700X3D has lower peak frequency….. thus you’ll see more spikes in 1% lows.

[@f1shs4lmon]

@ Yeah I defo noticed, both running PBO -30 in an itx system, 5800x3d can go up to 4.45 all core while 5700x3d stayed at 4.05

[@randyneves9701]

I decided to get a 5700x3D for 150 as the final upgrade for my AM4 platform, I will be using my 5900x in a server/video/picture editing build while I will use my current setup for just gaming

[@rohesilmnelohe]

Good choice But depending on games, the 5900 can be and is faster. Especially with PBO and CO usage.

[@randalllawkin]

5700x35 for 150 is cheap

[@randyneves9701]

@ AliExpress coming in with the sales, I am 99% confident I will get it, and it was from a reputable seller too

[@MetalGamer666]

I just bought the 5700X3D as well before I move on from my AM4 system. My problem is that Windows crashes when updating my BIOS to support the 5000 series, so I have to figure out what to do about that...

[@Dex2R7]

1:10 I pre-liked the video to counteract those preemptive dislikers

[@Secret_Takodachi]

In honor of Gordon: can we all be more honest & mature about talking about the state of hardware? I know it's asking a lot, but think about why people loved Gordon. He didn't spout bullshyt he just spoke honestly about performance, value & innovation.

[@obeyobay9146]

7500f can go for $87 on AliExpress, hard to beat that value tbh.

[@AkkumuLBC]

It's 5am but who gaf Also RIP Gordon the goat o7

[@InnerFury1886]

5700x3d gonna be some peoples favoite xmas present of all time this year and the rich kids gonna get a 9800x3d. i bet some gonna cry when they have an intel under the tree expecting a 9800x3d.

[@Fate025]

I would be happy with the intel B580 gpu under my xmas tree :)

[@kingeling]

No, rich kids get the Walmart prebuilts because their parents that do commerce and stock trades don't know jack about computers

[@bmwofboganville456]

5700x3d isn't any better than a bunch of 12th to 14th gen Intels 🤷‍♂

[@kingeling]

@@bmwofboganville456 Faster than 12900k and on-par with mid-tier Raptor Lake...

[@mikehawk6918]

@@bmwofboganville456 While consuming half the power. The great thing about the 5700x3D is it doesn't cosplay as a space heater. And you can run it on a $50 mother board with a 500W PSU.

[@lucazani2730]

According to multiple leaks, it looks like both the RX 8600xt (or apparently it will be called RX 9060, but whatever) and the RTX 5060 will have a 8 Gb of VRAM with128 bit wide memory buses, when the 250$ ARC B580 have 12 Gb VRAM with 192 bit wide memory bus. If the rumors are true, both cards will be DOA. God I hope I'm wrong

[@kingeling]

7600XT is 16GB only, doubt it

[@nipa5961]

Depends on the price. A new 8GB budget card for max. 200€ could be great. B580 is still above 300€ all the time here.

[@alistairwillock7266]

@@nipa5961 An 8GB budget card is basically DOA now, because you're already seeing texture loading issues and slowdowns in some new _1080p_ games. Given that, how do you think that card is going to age over the next two years? Either buy a used card with 12GB-plus, or wait until B580 prices come down.

[@azraelfaust487]

@@alistairwillock7266 not everyone is gonna play every single new triple A game, some people are new to PC gaming and just want a cheap entry level desktop and they have hundreds of games to play

[@lucazani2730]

@@kingeling yeah but I think it will be the successor of the 7600, not the 7600xt. And Nvidia competition offers the same shitty 8Gb 128 bit memory bus. I hope I'm wrong but it's not at all impossible

[@TitanPlakInside]

9800X3D is what I will recommend if you only game on your desktop PC. Great value, and "This legend is unbeatable".

[@Usersf134ssk]

From ryzen 5 3600 to 5700x3d, one last hurrah of my AM4 motherboard 😂

[@JosephC9]

Same! Actually lots of people hahaha.

[@preyz.]

are you planning to do the x870 buying guide ? it’s been a while since you dropped the last video.

[@hochhaul]

Didnt they drop a video last month on x870 boards?

[@preyz.]

@ they just did the roundup

[@kazuviking]

Overpriced and useless board outside of workstations. B850 boards are coming really soon.

[@hochhaul]

@kazuviking Yeah, mobo suppliers are really dragging their feet in getting them to market. Ryzen 9000 has been on the market for how long now...

[@edk1124]

@@kazuvikingtrue, which is probably why I bought X670e instead of x870 because it's cheaper by quite a lot.

[@pana.alexandru]

Merry Christmas everyone! Steve, Tim and the entire gang!

[@RafsaNation]

Thank god I bought the Ryzen 7 7700 3 months ago. It's this year's best midrange CPU indeed. Fun fact: I upgraded from Intel Core i7 7700. Kinda poetic!

[@ZackSNetwork]

That’s funny don’t tell me your GPU is a 7700xt.

[@juveboy01033]

Fun fact: you made a horrible choice.

[@RafsaNation]

@@juveboy01033 Why though?

[@RafsaNation]

@@ZackSNetwork Haha nope. My GPU is RTX 3060 12GB. No 7s in there LOL.

[@TrevorM1992]

Yeah not including am4 is weird, especially because it’s still selling like hotcakes. My friend just upgraded from a 5600x to a 5700x3d. He said he didn’t want to upgrade to am5 because instead of paying $150 for the 5700x3d, it’d be like $400 minimum for a new am5 setup.

[@AdamBondAudio]

Merry Christmas! 🎄

[@moctarfofana392]

Just curious, why is Intel’s 13th gen no longer included in the benchmarks but the previous 12th gen is? I’m not complaining just curious.

[@Rolo4733]

13/14th gen have silicon stability issues and should be avoided. Best guess is 12th gen was Intel's last "great" architecture

[@carlwheezer1544]

all i want for xmas is cheaper motheboards, cheapest ones for current platforms start at £200 which is insane

[@herbertwalter8693]

there are decent b650 boards below 200£ if you give up the pcie 5.0 x16 slot

[@BigDoggTheDon]

Awesome looks like I made the right choice. Built my PC yesterday with 7700 I got from Aliexpress for only £145. Waiting for next gen GPUs now

[@cleverja]

nice seeing you on Christmas eve. Thanks

[@SA99144]

In Canada, and I would think in other countries as well, the best way to buy a CPU is in a combo deal like CPU/Motherboard etc. Right now a 7600x is $260CDN a 7700x is $360 9600x $340 and 9700x $400 thats the cheapest you'll get them if your lucky, but in a combo deal I got a 7700x for $225 and a motherboard for $230, that same motherboard by its self is $270.

[@Andre_M_3D]

Where did you see that deal? Newegg?

[@SA99144]

@@Andre_M_3D Canadian computers

[@liamcollett4537]

"Dead" platforms only really apply if you are going to upgrade in-socket before the next socket type comes around. So, using your example of moving to LGA1700, you'd need to be upgrading again inside like two years for the "dead platform" thing to apply. Someone looking for budget stuff will likely be waiting longer than that to upgrade again. The benefit of moving to a "dead platform" is that the prices are super cheap because everyone avoids it like the plague

[@XMproYT]

imo 1700 is still alive considering how bad 1851 cpus have been for gaming

[@Sybertek]

Sitting pretty on the 5800X3D for now.

[@Unprotected1232]

I came here to gloat and justifiy my 9800X3D purchase to my wallet.

[@gladcomming]

Haha, exactly

[@Kapono5150]

If you playing at 1080p X3D is for YOU !!

[@d9zirable]

Literally userbenchmark's argument LOL

[@felipeavlopes]

Happy Holidays to the HUB community and their loved ones

[@meliotablet]

Is there a reason why you don't mention box coolers, for example ryzen 7 7700 comes with a quite capable box cooler which may be a reason to buy since it decreases the overall system cost.

[@DualPerformance]

5700X3D here, total platform cost = $365, bought everything on the last black friday, MSI B550M PRO VDH-WiFi, 32GB G.SKILL 3600 CL16 and ID COOLING SE 214 XT ARGB, I was considering the 7600X but the shopping cart was well above $500 so I went with the 5700X3D, upgrade path does not worth with that price gap, will do some bench later for yt

[@rangersmith4652]

I bought a 7800X3D the day after the non-X3D Zen5 review embargo lifted -- for $360. That was the best value until prices ballooned, and its still better value than the 9800X3D at MSRP and way better than at its street price of $650-700. Ebay sellers are offering the 7800X3D (used or open-box) for ~$400, and that's still better than the 9800X3D's price, so if you have to build a gaming PC now, consider that option.

[@TheZoenGaming]

LOL The 5800X3D can't be bought new anymore, so anyone having a fit over that is trippin'.

[@chy.0190]

The 5700x3D can, and it is almost the same thing. Good for those who already have AM4 borads. That being said if you are building a new PC at this point, better to go AM5 and grab a 7700.

[@VladaPanter13]

I buy 7600x with 4070 super and i am very happy.

[@MrDgt66]

Non-x with 4070s here, very good combo for 1440p.

[@VladaPanter13]

@Yes thats what i want best mid for 1440p.

[@herbertwalter8693]

my buddy runs a 7600x with a 4070ti and it still doesn't bottleneck at 1440p

[@RadioDeadAir]

I haven't seen anyone giving the Ryzen 5 8400F a recommendation. It's hovering around $135 new right now. Is it that bad of a performer compared to the 7600?

[@Jojo_Tolentino]

Disliked. I liked the video but comment dislike, as you said because no 5700x3d/5800x3d and I just upgraded to 5700X3D. Now my purchasing decision is invalid and wrong then regret it because it is not one of the top 5 best CPUs from you. /s

[@sil3ntwint3r]

This channel does exactly what i want it to do in this space. Keep being excellent and have merry Christmas

[@Mario211DE]

I pre ordered the 9800x3d on 19th of November and was finally delivered this week

[@whoeverthisguyis]

enjoy bro

[@S2GUnit]

Nice. Enjoy

[@torneroeu3867]

I built my first PC around Black Friday and I am happy that this video and the one with GPUs shows me that I chose the best options for my budget

[@djsnowpdx]

Thank you for using different Interlude music. I appreciate it.

[@Exodiabtw]

the 9950x and a 24GB GPU @ 4K resolution is the sweet spot

[@deadrock1678]

the x3D chips are so overpriced right now, i'm honestly considering just a 9700x at this point since im doing 4K gaming in the future

[@hochhaul]

If you catch it in stock, it should be the MSRP. Availability will improve with time.

[@deadrock1678]

@@hochhaul I did catch a few, still over 600 euros. ridiculous price for a CPU, i'll wait for it to be in stock I guess.

[@Kumoiwa]

At that point just get a 7700 like Steve said, no point on expending extra cash for no additional (gaming) performance

[@MarioAPN]

​@@deadrock1678 go with 7700. You can literally plug the new cpu into your motherboard. 9800X3D is a beast.

[@alistairwillock7266]

@@deadrock1678 Waiting for re-stocking would be my recommendation too. The x3d chips will age _much_ better in gaming applications than the non-x3d variants. 3 years from now, you'll be looking at a 20-30% percent difference in new titles at _1440p,_ and likely double-digit performance differences even at 4K. Watch the CPU performance aging comparison video that came out a few weeks ago on this channel to understand why. In general, most people want to get at least 3-5 years out of a CPU - as long as you feel that way too, you should purchase keeping that in mind.

[@theblakesterian]

Sorry Steve, you are intentionally wrong. And I understand why. By far the best entry level platform upgrade is the Ryzen 7 5700X3D. You can put it on a dirt cheap used motherboard and it will wipe the floor with your Intel favorite. Of course you know this :)

[@og_sane]

Just yesterday switched my still very decent 5600X to 5700X3D and it'll be my best choice for some years to come. Good choice and still gotta upgrade my RTX 3060TI to a better GPU when able.

[@Konrad-z9w]

Big German retailers list 9800x3d for €569-589 but don't actually sell them due to having no stock. My local hardware shop has some and sells them for €750. Cya next year, my AM4 will last me a while longer.

[@OwlOnFire]

Picked up a 7700X on Prime Day for £219, absolute steal, taking care of it so I can put it in a fresh build for one of my siblings when I upgrade to a 9800X3D or higher.

[@kinzie3915]

I just found a R5 5600 for 87€. 5700X is at. ~140€ and 5700X3D at ~200€. 5600 is the best value from these 3 as an upgrade from 3600.

[@Humanaut.]

Don't upgrade to 5600 if you have 3600 imo. Wait and save up.

[@mattBLACKpunk]

7500f (155€) > 5700x tbh

[@kinzie3915]

@@Humanaut. That's what I'm thinking but if I sell the 3600 for ~50, it's worth getting the 5600. 5700X not so much but certainly not the 5700X3D. It's a friend's PC and he needs an upgrade because the 3600 is just so so edging out the games he plays. Plus he is on an ultra budget. 5600 would bring more life to his b550/32gb ddr4 instead of saving for I don't know how long just to buy later.

[@kinzie3915]

@@mattBLACKpunk That's true but it would needs the whole new platform plus this is for a friend who is on a ultra budget and he just can't afford that right now.

[@_Chuck_]

Someone sold their ryzen 7600 procesor because it had all of the thermalpaste covered due to applying too much of it and thought as being somewhat or total defective and sold it for 68$. I gladdly purchased it, cleaned it properly and after installing it, it worked flawlessly. Currently running it on my main rigg along with a rx 6600 and playing most of my favourite games at 1440p 👍🤗

[@dolan_plz]

pretty awesome deal 😃

[@FiveTimeZero]

Rx6600 for 1440p? It's sucks even on 1080p I want to upgrade my rx6600 asap

[@mattysmells]

@@FiveTimeZero nah, i have a 6600 and its very good at 1080p, i can even play older AAA (like 2018-2020) on pretty good settings at 60fps, and most modern ones at low settings. I can see 1440p being a bit of a strech, but if you use FRS, frame gen and maybe you overclock the card a little bit, it probably works just fine

[@dainiusvysniauskas2049]

​@@mattysmellsNah, it's a shit card for modern games. You don't judge graphics card's performance by how well it can run old titles

[@askeladden450]

@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 you buy a card based on how well it can run your favorite games, not how it performs in games you are never going to play. 6600 can run pretty much every game at 1080p and many of the good games at 1440p at medium settings. I don't care about the blurry ue5 crap thats coming out lately.

[@Interloper322]

Me with a r5 3600 watching this

[@deiveonmartinsen1831]

The i3-12100f is about $50 on Ali Express. Built my friend a $550 all white build around it

[@Erelyes]

Love the music in this one guys, fantastic video, Merry Christmas and thanks for all your hard work!

[@harrybryan9633]

The problem with "dead platform" vs "current platform" is the risk that the "upgrade" isn't much of an upgrade, or if it is cost-efficent. See: Ryzen 9000 series vs 7000 series. I priced out moving platforms (AM4 - AM5) & the cost is nearly $750. The bump up isn't worth it, in my opinion.

[@shwetankshukla]

Hi .. I found it v confusing that you inter switched the colours while highlighting the CPUs in the charts.. please rethink that approach.

[@dragonld123]

Here in Greece 13400F cost 120€ 12400 100€ 7600 190€. For someone needs a VFM build the 13400F is the best choice by far, especially if you need the multicore perf and not only gaming.

[@NevilleTheWizard]

Why is every KZbinr saying the 7800x3D can’t be found. Thats not true one bit. It’s all over Amazon and Newegg and NOT by third parties.

[@wingo9967]

I got very lucky with a UK preorder on the 9800x3d for £450, leaps and bounds better than the 5800x I was running for a few years

[@TheBlakeypoos]

Really disappointed by this video, to not mention AM4 entry level upgrade properly was criminal, really should have specified that those already on AM4 looking for entry level upgrade 5700x3d is the best option instead of aiming the entry level and Intel users that have no choice but to buy a whole new platform to upgrade

[@nimrodery]

The price advantage isn't there versus the 7600, platform included, plus you get the opportunity to upgrade, your only upgrade option on AM4 would be the 5950X and you'd get reduced gaming performance. On top of that, depending on your location, AM4 boards can be slim pickings.

[@TheBlakeypoos]

@@nimrodery dont know what you are on about mate, the 5700x3d is litterally right next to the 7600 (4:08) it can be bought for under £200 im seeing as low as £150 if you are willing to look around, explain how that isnt the best value over buying in to whole other platform and the 5950x isnt even in the question from a quick search thats over well £200 in the used market

[@nimrodery]

@@TheBlakeypoos Now I see why you're confused. The category "Entry level platform upgrade" was about the cost of the entire platform, not about the upgrade options for current AM4 users or whatever you thought that meant. Should we be adding the category "best CPU upgrade for whatever platform BlakeyPoos is on?"

[@TheBlakeypoos]

@@nimrodery Irrelivant of the title of that section of the video, the video is titled "top 5 CPU's of 2024" which includes that section, also he litterally begins that section with "starting with the cheapest option" and "my recommendation for the entry level CPU" not platform. if anything you have highlighted how poor that section was since now it looks like hes saying the cheapest entry level CPU is to buy platform 1700 which he also states is dead.. while also in the same section saying "AM4 platform is argubly the best playform we have ever seen" but then not elaborating on that at all. The botton line is that portion of the video is lacking essential infomation, seems very rushed and a poor effort, not to Hardware unboxed usual standard and arguebly the entry level/value part is the most important part. Also nice try but its nothing to do with what platform im on, you're obviously looking for an arugment since you are playing blind to the facts that that section is basically saying you shouldnt bother with AM4 even if you are on AM4 and your cheapest upgrade is buy in to 12400 and 1700 chipset this is dumb advice the 5700x3d is literally cheaper than buying that whole platform and performs better, probably still perform better even on older AM4 board with PCIE3 since only current top teir cards like 4090 even come close to saturating PCIE3. anyone with AM4 300 series board from 2017 can spend £150 for a cheaper and better upgrade this should have been stated in the video. a quick scroll through the comments also shows that what smart people are doing

[@nimrodery]

@@TheBlakeypoos You should be able to identify the category where the 5700X3D should have won, or everything you said is irrelevant.

[@carbonium1264]

How Dare you not making a sixth category named : best AM4 upgrade. Plus r5 7500 f is just so OP.

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

My brother got a 12900k for like $240. I thought that was a great deal coming from whatever the budget 6 core was. No stability issues and respectable power draw. Thanks for the 4 year old cpu Intel

[@pavelpenzev8129]

really, i had already got 12700kf (180$) and overclocked bclk to 5.1\4.0 and ht off. Now it better than 7700x

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

@pavelpenzev8129 yeah that's a good deal. He needed the igpu or he would've got that. Video editing and stuff yn

[@jm9371]

Great video. I hope your cold gets better soon.

[@J.Wick.]

Should test the 7500F at $130 it really puts into perspective the difference between IT and the 12400F.

[@silverfox97480]

If you are still on AM4 AMD Ryzen 5700X3D is very good. around 240$AUD on Aliexpress. Received mine yesterday, swapped from my 5900X, saw a jump of 40 FPS for Red Dead Redemption 2 at 4k.

[@Rroff2]

I find it interesting how overlooked the 14700K(F) is by reviewers and consumers alike - it is usually nipping at the heels of the fastest CPUs while costing significantly less - in some cases almost half the price i.e. the 285K, often considerably outperforms similar priced CPUs in productivity and/or is a significant increase in productivity for not a huge amount more money than some of the mid-range options. For those gaming on anything less than a 4090 and/or at higher resolution and settings it will give performance within margin of error of even the X3D parts - I've literally had a 7800X3D along side the 14700K with 4080 GPUs at 1440p Ultra/4K and you wouldn't know which was which from the frame rate. By the time more powerful GPUs come along which might expose the performance difference at this level/settings any of these CPUs will likely be less than ideal anyhow. The only downside really is if the power draw and thermals are a big deal to you - but generally the power difference drawn at the wall is not as different as people think from the reviews and if your system spends a good bit of the day sitting idle or low utilisation states i.e. just web-browsing the more efficient idle power use of the Intel helps to balance out the power use over a whole day. Unlike the 14900 you can just about air cool the 14700 without the compromises involved with the 14900.

[@nfriedly]

Really happy with my 5700X3D upgrade from ali express for $133 It only bumped my average frame rate up by about 10%, but it bumped my minimum frame rate up by about 30% (coming from a 2600.)

[@Stephen__White]

Well the 12400F is faster in some situations, the 5600/5600X is faster in some situations. At that level of budget you should really be looking at exactly what you are looking to play, and getting the best CPU for those work loads. Like for instance I recently helped a friend move off of 9th Gen Intel and onto a more modern platform and where he spends around 80% of his gaming time per week in Final Fantasy 14, the Ryzen 5 5600 was the obvious choice. As it's roughly 34% better in that game. He also plays larger 4X games like Stellaris, and based on GN testing, the 5600 is roughly 5% faster there, saving roughly 2 minutes of real time in late game simulation time. Hyper budget really comes down to a few questions, "what do you plan on doing with your PC?" and "how much can you spend to not have to spend again in the next year or two?" It's really the category that requires the most research, because lets be honest if you have all the money, your choice is obvious RTX 4090, or a pair of 7900 XTX and a 9800X3D, if you have a lot of money your choice is still fairly obvious, 7900 XT and a 9800X3D.(based on Canadian prices where the 7900 XT can be gotten for about the price of a 4070 Super). Meanwhile on the low end you have a lot more to look into because money spent matters SO much more on the low end. Ironically as well, the 5600X vs 12400F is the same as the 5800X3D vs 12900K, where the extra cache doesn't matter the 12900K is faster than a 5800X3D, but when the extra cache does matter, the 5800X3D crushes the 12900K. You know back when Intel was still competitive and it was actually a choice at the top levels for best CPU...

[@JohnWalsh2019]

Bought the 9950x and it's an amazing CPU. Does everything I need it to and can still crush out FPS in games.

[@grunkappchen]

I would like to point out, the Ryzen 5 7600X3D is also sold in Central EU (Germany, Austria). the only drawback here, you can only buy it, if you live in Germany (in Austria, it depends on the vendors). They don't sell it to other EU countries abroad. 😅

[@classicallpvault]

No, you can get it all over the EU. Mindfactory doesn't ship abroad but mail forwarders do.

[@grunkappchen]

@@classicallpvault excluding mail forwarders. forgot to mention that. that is a possibility, but still makes it not as convenient than just buying it without including a second mail provider. imo ;)

[@mort996]

That intro was way funnier to me than I'd like to admit 😂 I imagine sitting with my family at Christmas dinner discussing the CPUs

[@adamkallin5160]

Too bad there aren’t really good budget CPUs on AM5. Mobos, RAM and CPU are significantly more expensive than AM4 even at their cheapest. For someone who isn’t planning to play the latest AAA games at high settings, Ryzen 5600 or Intel 12400F are good choices even when building from scratch.

[@Kryptonaaayt]

Can Ryzen 5 7500F handle a 4070 ti super or higher? I've been eyeing a 7800x3d/9800x3d but that shit cost $600-700 in my country lol, I might cheap out on cpu and spend more on my gpu

[@JJW3]

It should be fine. I'm using one temporarily right now with my 4080 and I'm not noticing any issues. Its replacing my 5800X3D system and I'm waiting for the 9800X3D to come back in stock at MSRP, and the 7500F allowed me to get my new AM5 system built and running. I'm using 2x32GB G.Skill 6000 CL30 RAM and use PBO with a -10 offset right now. I might bump it up to -20 after more stability testing.

[@zodwraith5745]

On the entry level I'd argue it's worth spending the extra $30ish to bump it to a 12600kf. (I don't know why you have such high prices for all your Intel CPUs) You're not only getting 4 more cores, but a whopping 500mhz higher frequency before you even consider overclocking. That would surely be worth scratching together a measly 30 dollars more. Once you go 7600 you're spending notably more on the mobo, CPU, as well as DDR5, and you DO have an upgrade path with the ever dropping 13th and 14th gen prices that still offer a healthy uplift. When we don't know what Zen6 will bring let alone Zen7, or even IF they'll be on AM5 when AMD refuses to commit to it I'm not going to automatically assume "platform longevity" as much when they _TRIED_ to limit Zen3 to 500 series mobos only. Then even when they backtracked it after all the backlash 400 owners had to wait up to 6 months for BIOS and 300 owners had to wait an insulting 18 months. NO BIOS take 6 months to write, let alone 18. That's not platform longevity, that's a tantrum. I'd rather just buy the f**king motherboard at that point (which is exactly what I did with Zen3) I will never understand why AMD gets so much praise for "platform longevity" when people seem to magically forget the minefield that it was. While AMD _finally_ did what's right in the end don't for a second pretend they _wanted to._ Let's also not forget how many generations TRX40 received and that was a thousand dollar platform. Platform longevity my ass. Buy for what you need TODAY, not what you hope _might_ be available down the road. Especially when you're shopping for "entry level" and I don't see AMD dropping prices with their lead.

[@sgredsch]

i dont understand why everyone is ignoring the 265k. it is by far the best CPU in the arrowlake lineup as it is basically uncontested at its $400 price point because its cheaper and faster than the 9900x and the 285k is best case allcore 15-20% better while costing over 50% extra. even If the 285k was available at mrsp, most should still buy the 265k.

[@TheMythriel]

I managed to find a 7800x3d for $370 for a new build. Was that an ok deal?

[@sodapopinksi667]

That's about the going rate for it used right now in NA - $350 to $370. Granted, it was $330 new for a while, but that time has passed.

[@franciscoriccio51]

I was considering building a 5700x with the newegg combo with ram, but that 12400f from aliexpress seems a better choice, if I cant increase my budget for am5 . Thanks HUB!!!

[@lukemclaughlin2184]

Not having the 5800X3D is borderline heresy, Steve. Mind the inquisition!

[@attorneyirl2725]

How about 8700f? It's pretty cheap too, there is considerable difference with 7700. It's like 150-160 dollars here. Performance gap doesn't seem very huge either

[@vpmua]

AM4 - 5700X3D AM5 - 7500F/7800X3D INTEL - NO

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

7600X3D is sold at mindfactory in the EU

[@necuz]

Proshop as well

[@kenshirogenjuro873]

On Newegg in the US it can be found for $360, although the vendor isn’t Newegg themselves but Senytech. I don’t happen to be familiar with that vendor.

[@ZootmanX]

Will the R5 7600 bottleneck a 3080ti?

[@vadeout.]

Why don't you guys post the AUD cost of the hardware you review? Do you acquire them from the US?🤔

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Only 3.5% of all viewers are from Australia. Also the AUD isn't a global currency.

[@vadeout.]

@Hardwareunboxed I'm proud to be part of that 3.5%. I couldn't say the same for my Chanel. 😄 Good effort. Really enjoy your data driven reviews. Merry Christmas.

[@ayuchanayuko]

5600G with iGPU entry 12100F dGPU starter 5700X3D AM4 maxout 7500F dGPU starter 9800X3D AM5 current maxout

[@HuntaKiller91]

Get a 8400f for 80 bucks and hdv a620m for $60-70 while waiting for 9800X3D going down $250-350 someday

[@CoolTI-Daniel]

Here in Montreal, we have Canadacomputers, they sell a bundle of Motherboard CPU and Ram which came with the 9700X. Individually it was properly more expensive. All in all here the price difference between the 7700X and the 9700X isn't big enough and I feel as time goes on the 9700X is becoming the better deal. Also I have a lot of love for the super cheap and highly capable Ryzen 5700X I think that's one of the best lower mid range budget build cpu to be had. As much as AM4 is kind of dead... I think it's the most stable and reliable platform I ever seen. So far out of the few AM5 builds I have done, I find that it has quite a bit more early issues. (I have had to RMA Ram more then once and also a motherboard... also the Pre-Post is significantly longer granted my latest build that was resolved with a recent bios update)

[@JahonCross]

Happy holidays guys

[@lugaidster]

I can understand the 5800x3d not being here. But the 5700x3d, which can be bought for 130-140 usd on Ali is bonkers.

[@Amorio]

My system won't ever be seeing a 4090 so I'm perfectly happy with the 7600x I got for 7600 price.

[@jabetsgi]

my 7950x has been working great for my productivity tasks for a year now. highly recommend it to anyone looking to build a decent workstation in home :)