Ryzen 7 2700X in 2023 - Still Capable After 5 Years?

[@RATechYT]

Update: The stuttering in Warzone 2 has nothing to do with the CPU, the problem is the RTX 2070. I tried using an RX 6600 XT with the 2700X and the game runs so much smoother. I have a comparison of these two GPUs coming up, I will include the link here once it goes live. Thanks for watching! You can support my work here: www.buymeacoffee.com/ratechyt discord.gg/PFb9cMstZH ▪ instagram.com/ratechyt ▪ twitter.com/ratechyt ▪ facebook.com/ratechyt

[@nicekeyboardalan6972]

Yeah that 2070 might be one of the 2070 models that has the ram that goes bad the Micron ram ones go bad i think my 2060 did the same thing.

[@RATechYT]

@@nicekeyboardalan6972 Stuttering also occurs on an EVGA GTX 1070 that I have. It's an Nvidia thing.

[@nicekeyboardalan6972]

@@RATechYT My Titan X 12gb Doesnt, neither does my 3090ti. Weird though maybe cards with 8gb are just less optimized on that game than AMD

[@RATechYT]

@@nicekeyboardalan6972 Could it be that the frame rate on those is so high that you don't even notice it? Though the Titan X isn't significantly better than a 2070, so idk what the reason could be. If it's a driver overhead issue, then it's just not good for Nvidia since the vast majority of people don't have the latest and greatest.

[@nicekeyboardalan6972]

@@RATechYT Its the Titan X Maxwell (basically 980ti) not the XP, who knows man it could be a dust particle in the PCI slot or something LOL i hate pc gaming sometimes because of crap like that.

[@wrusst]

I still think the 5600 non X is the buy , on a similar card it pegs the GPU at 100% all the time and can be picked up on Ali for around 110-120 . Slower but still better the 5500 is an option but lacks the L3 cache. Even though it's a 6 core it still has a better multi core but the single thread uplift pushes frames up better and is significantly higher whilst running cooler . Good video and production value

[@michaelthompson9798]

This was my first Ryzen cpu I used when I got onto the AM4 platform with the X470 platform, when they came out, and it served me well for gaming. These days I upgraded to the very powerful gaming cpu, the 5800X3D 💪🥰👍 with a simple bios upgrade 👍😇

[@joelferguson625]

I've got a 5800x paired with a Radeon 6650xt and 32gb gskil 3600 cl 18, using an asrock x570m pro 4 mobo, 2tb gen 4 m.2 crucial p5 plus boot drive. I don't need performance higher than the 6650xt can give because my TV scales down very well and none of the displays I currently own refresh over 60Hz. I can't see paying several hundreds to even thousands to get better displays when I'm too old for tournament competition anyway. I could make a good gaming coach for less experienced players but my days in the 3+ kd ratio club are about a decade or more ago b4 psn got hacked on ps3. 45 feels old.

[@wrusst]

​@@joelferguson625 pretty nice setup

[@PalatechGaming]

​@@joelferguson625 I'm 44 and I totally agree on the 60hz display part. I won't change all my perfectly working, awesome 4k/60 displays for literally no reason. As for the feeling old part, never say that again brother! For as long as we still have the will to game and enjoy playing, we'll always be children. In fact, my wife says that when I'm playing games, I still act like an immature youngster and she loves it lol 😂

[@Abandonedacc38373]

Man our upgrade path is gonna be exactly the same. I have a 2700x with an X470 aorus ultra and i am planning to upgrade to a 5800x3d

[@JohnnyFan]

did you upgrade your mobo or stayed the same? have the MSI x470 Gaming Plus and the no wifi requires an additional adapter that I'm looking to get rid of lol

[@allisaybarra696]

Got a upgrade had a ryzen 5 1600x bought a ryzen 7 2700x for $50 I think it was worth the upgrade

[@PalatechGaming]

I have an old AMD FX 8350 in my dad's PC, my old Sandy Bridge Core i7 2600K @4.4GHz as my secondary PC, a Ryzen 5 1600 PC for my wife, a Ryzen 5 2400G for my kids, a Ryzen 7 2700X as my main, and a Ryzen 5 5600G in my brother's PC. Among others, I have tested all of these cpus extensively and what I can say is this: If you already have a 2700X and a 60Hz display, then you have practically no need to upgrade, this CPU is still quite plenty even for 4K/60 fps Ultra Graphics gaming in 99% of all the modern AAA titles. But if you're looking to upgrade on a budget from 1st gen Ryzen or you're still on an old DDR3 system, then just get a $100 6c/12t Ryzen 5 5500 and be happy. The $100 tier Zen3 5500/5600G 6c/12t Ryzens have practically rendered obsolete all cpus sold in the used market for over $80.

[@joshuaboneta]

I agree this is my exact setup for my living room as an emulator/vr/ gaming pc. It’s runs most things with a rx7600 at 4k 60fps

[@Pieteros21]

I had 1600AF then upgraded to r5 3600 and now to 5800x3d ... am4 was and still is amazing for budget concious consumers ...

[@PalatechGaming]

That's so true! Imo, AM4 is easily the best platform that has ever existed from that regard!

[@rodrigofilho1996]

For work its more then capable, for gaming just upgrade to Zen3, dosent even need do be 5800X3D, a simple 5600 will do better in gaming.

[@vh9network]

I remember the 2700X CPU being all the rave back in 2018. I got back into PC building that year after a 6 year hiatus. I went for the AMD CPU that was on top of the mountain, the 2990WX, which was kind of like four 2700X glued together.

[@Mulberry2000]

Yes it was, i got my 27800x along with a 1080 ti card with a amd 4 motherboard in 2018 and it was amazing, oh i had 32ddr 4 ram as well. It was the first time ever i had or was with the high end crowd at the time, it was a great feeling. Even my sons were impressed.

[@djmccullough9233]

i'd really have suggested to skip the zen plus generation, and get a 3600,3600x or a 3700x. the cache changes make the cpu and usage noticably more snappy than the 1000 and 2000 series.

[@RATechYT]

Found one for a good price, couldn't spend more. Later will definitely upgrade to something newer.

[@hoodie_ninja]

Even a Ryzen 5 5500 will outperform the 2700x, and with a lower power budget as well. And they can be had brand new for under $100.

[@PalatechGaming]

​@@hoodie_ninja Yeah, R5 5500 is certainly superior and it's a steal at $100 new. R5 5500 and R5 5600g have practically rendered obsolete all used intel cpus at this price range in the used market. I have a 2700x and a 5600g so I know this first hand. However, the point is that if you already have a 2700x, or you're still on an old ddr3 system and can find a cheap 2700x+mobo combo, it's definitely worth it to make the switch to AM4. This will get you great performance today and grant you a solid upgrade path to numerous, very powerful cpus which are available on this platform.

[@obnoxiousweese]

I have a 2700x I bought for 110 bucks in 2019 which was a crazy deal back then. So basically if I get a good cooler for this and OC it it's pretty capable?

[@gregorypetka8799]

Best $75 CPU for sure, thats why Even the very latest CPU are benchmarkd against this 2700x , yeah i can get a 35% increase for only $3k more..haha

[@lazypilotindonesian]

yes on valorant 300++ fps with rtx 3070 32 GB RAM

[@bluej511]

I still have one, and even on my Vega 64 going to a 58x3d i got a massive boost. If i played a windowed game while watching twitch, it's super laggy. Also don't forget to update your bios for AMDs security issue :)

[@herobrinecyberdemon8104]

Hah. Problems playing at 75ish FPS - I'm on a GT 8500 after my R7 250X died and playing TF2 at 30FPS average with framedrops to 5 was a different experience - and playing it on old maps, as on new should be 5fps average. This is what happens when you game on 0$ budget - more people will have to get accustomed to it when they fry their card on some unoptimized crap as we have plenty of that on the featured gaming market, and thus have to game on the iGPU or on spare cards - as in the EU the seconhand GPU market is a disaster. But aims of people change when they face reality. When your frametime sucks you learn to play with a lag-resistant style - reminds me of a friend of mine who was spamming only a Darius build I taught him in League of Legends while at university abroad cause of shitty net - one aims to survive long enough to see where to hit and change the fight.

[@Scottishlandwarrior]

Had the 2700X since 2018 but in a few hours i wll be upgrading to an AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D and hoping it will be better overall(not a tech expert).

[@cconwell21]

That's exactly what I had the 1600af and i am in the process of buying a new PC with the 2700x so thx for the review!

[@DGCastell]

It's been my workhorse since early 2019 and I can vouch for the performance it still offers. I recently upgraded to a 6750XT and X570s board and it's until now that I notice that a couple of games are too much for it, worst instance is WZ 2.0, idk why but it performs quite bad, GPU utilization never goes over 40% and framerate dips hard into the 40s on large maps.

[@wadadli4sun]

Great video. Just built a ITX based on ROG Strix x570-i Gaming, 2700x cooled by Scythe Fuma, 32GB Patriot 3600MHz and a Powercolor Vega 64 Red Devil with my son. Not the latest, but plays his games OK and an upgrade to the E5-1660v0/RX580 Red Devil from before. And perfect to upgrade parts when he wants to increase performance.

[@praveenbhat5392]

how will 2700x + gtx1660 super perform in davinci resolve 18 ? i will casually game on it thou ..

[@Rememberthathandle]

Any update on this? Looking at getting the same setup. Thanks

[@B.E.3.R]

Nice to see the 2700X getting some love. Zen+ is still perfectly capable, but the fact that it only goes up to PCiE Gen3 and its rather high latency means its days are numbered. The RX 6500XT was a painful reminder of what happens when bandwith is limited...Even then, anyone on a B450/A520 motherboard would be better served by an R5 5500, as that uses Zen3. On a PCIE4 capable mobo, the R5 5600 is the sweet-spot. I myself had an R7 2700X for about a year...until I shorted it with a MAXIMUM undervolt (-300mV) on a system with an older PSU with no UV protection. Now that system has a R5 2600X, so in gaming it's basically the same, generally quite good but definitely not the best for super-high refresh gaming; I have a 200Hz monitor and very few games could even reach that, much less hold it consistently on that system, though to be fair the RX 580 4GB was also a limiting factor. But my freshly built R5 5600 + RX 6700 system can hit and hold that FPS target much more often, and now that the 6700 10GB is becoming hard to find, I seem to have made the right choice. P.S. Excellent video, but may I suggest using medium settings for testing scaling? I would honestly upgrade my system before playing a game on low. Or playing other games that could run better :D

[@RATechYT]

Thanks! Can't promise about including the medium results, since the performance would probably be something between high and low in most cases anyways.

[@edgeldine3499]

Everything I've read on PCIE gen 4 v 3 is miniscule.. like less than 5% closer to 2% .. obviously for some people that might seem like a lot but I just don't get why people are so obsessed with it. I also read that the only limitations are the BIOS nothing special about the hardware itself (in regards to PCIE) but it's a rumor more than anything concrete.

[@rona.004]

This CPU runs Games perfectly, but in 3D Rendering, it suffers it keeps crashing a lot & my app restarting suddenly So It's time to change R7 CPU

[@dreams1453]

I'm still using 2700X with my RTX 3090. I don't need to upgrade my system yet. I can play all games without any problems and at high settings.

[@obezy8705]

That is an insane amount of bottleneck you should have just gotten a rtx 3070 or rx 6700 xt that's the best cards you can get with only just a bit of bottleneck

[@obezy8705]

Honestly why didn't you just upgrade your cpu if you have enough money to afford a 3090, because it really is a waste of its power

[@dreams1453]

@@obezy8705 I purchased 3090 2. hand at half price when mining collapsed. Only at low resolutions the CPU power is not enough for the graphics card. In 4K gaming bottleneck is low. Looks %20 in bottleneck calculator. If I purchase 5800x3d bottleneck reducing to %6. For %14 advantage not worth it.

[@stel9178]

​@obezy8705 i agree cause he can get Ryzen 7 5700x3D for almost double the performance for 200$

[@jotabe1984]

Ey there... i received a PC in payment for a job... R5 1600, w/16gb (2x8) 2400mhz memory, GA-AB350m Gaming 3 mobo, an Rx570 4gb gpu and 500w Psu. i decided to improve it as it was going to become my wife's workstation for their Graphics Design job with ever demanding adobe suite usage (up until now it had an i5 2550 build that wasn't really up to the task anymore). Despite a storage upgrade (replaced 240gb SATA3 SSD with 500gb nvme gen3 SSD, and added a 4TB HDD to the 1TB HDD included) and monitor upgrade (from a 19' 1600x900 to a 22' 75hz 1080p) i decided to improve the CPU... not for today, since i think R5 1600 is an "ok" cpu for this year and maybe 2 more years, but i wante to improve performance thinking in an upgrade that should last 5 to 7years... I had the chance of getting an R7 5700g brand new, an R7 3700x that was 70% of the 5700g price, or an R7 2700 that was 50% of the 5700g price... i was about to purchase the 2700, but after watching a couple of reviews, i realyzed that 1st and 2nd gen Ryzen were impressive if compared to DDR3 hardware, both in performance and multitasking (thanks to the core count and multi threaded technology for these cores) but compared to more modern hardware they are a little bit behind. Different story was the R7 3700x, i think that gen was really good step forward from AMD, it is way closer to the 5000 series but you can get used parts at a fraction of the prize. Finally i went for an R7 3700x and i'm pretty happy with the results, my wife's pc is exactly next to mine, that is still rocking an Fx8350 w/16gb of 1866mhz DDR3 and Rx 580 4gb, and to be fair i think 3700x is around 4x times faster than the 8350. With spare 1600 i will buy an used mobo and ram, then i'll upgrade my wife's ram (something like 64gb 3200mhz) and will also purchase 16 more 2400mhz, that will become 32gb for my 1600. Then maybe in one or 2 years i will also upgrade to an R7 3700x, if i can find one So... what's my conclusion... Ryzen 2nd gen improved memory controller over 1st gen, but it wasn't really that great of a better performer compared to the 1st gen (which had comparable 4th gen IPC but improved raw computing power with more cores). 3rd gen did improved quite a lot compared to 1st gen, and 5th gen improved a reasonable ammount over 3rd gen... With intel improved lineup, it is reasonable that 1st and 2nd gen Ryzen are so low. They are pretty capable CPUs, but not as shinny as they looked back then

[@ulgn1964]

I have this exact CPU and a Nvidia 1080 ti 8 GB card and using a 35 inch ultra wide monitor with 1080p and run every game on high settings and some in ultra settings. The only game with 30-40 fps is Microsoft flight simulator, i run it on high settings, up in the air i have over 60 fps and when i land 30-40 fps.

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

Good video. I got a new 2700x on sale for $125 at Newegg. I owned it for a week and then bent a bunch of pins transferring it to a new motherboard, I gave it to an acquaintance and he managed to straighten all of the pins out and got it working. I then installed a ryzen 3600. The 2700x seemed great for the week that I had it. The 2700x stock cooler was great for being included for free. (I kept it and use it on my 5800x3d)

[@PoweredByLS2]

You use a Wraith Prism on a 5800x3d? What are your temps like? Is it a viable cooler for that level of CPU?

[@leomanalastas4411]

Had a question, what monitor is good for your 2700x?

[@chappy48]

I'm still rocking a 2700X paired with an RTX 2080 from 5 years ago (just a 'ti' short of the best Ryzen/AMD build you could get at the time) and I'm just now starting to have to dial games back slightly from Ultra settings. If I can get min 40 FPS I'm satisfied, but usually I like 60+ FPS. I play mostly single player and don't necessarily need the extra FPS. It is still a very good CPU, but it is showing it's age. I will probably stick with AM4 and upgrade to the 5800x3D soon, since that is the cheapest upgrade to get a big boost in performance. I'd prefer an RX 7900XTX or XT right now, but can't see spending $900+ when I can get the x3D for around $300 and get close to the same performance boost.

[@huzudra]

I have been running a 2700X for a while now, it's been good but I snagged a 5700X3D for $140 and I'm excited for the upgrade. I got a decent 2700X, on a 160W PPT it'll do a solid 3.8-3.9ghz all core with PBO and pop single cores up to 4.2-4.4ghz depending on the task at hand. RAM is running 3400 C18-18-18 @ 1.4 volts which is as good as I could get my Hynix CJR 3600 C18 kit to run.

[@bernardshum2719]

My ancient i7 7700k did much better on gaming even today. But in terms of upgrade path, nothing beats AM4 platform as my Z270 is a dead end since day 1.

[@remke5137]

My man literally got the boxes wall meme I made months back. Amazing. Now he just needs to make that fx processor necklace

[@RATechYT]

I need to review the remaining FX processors first before I can be allowed to wear the precious necklace.

[@remke5137]

@@RATechYT yeah probably a good idea to review them first 🤣

[@CharcharoExplorer]

I dont know if CP 2077 is badly optimized. It just seems demanding to me. Yes, the two words do not mean the same thing.

[@RATechYT]

Why not both?

[@wrusst]

Be fair cyber punk has been optimised a ton since launch , to a point it can run on old ps4s at around 25 FPS which has a shockingly bad CPU.

[@CharcharoExplorer]

@@RATechYT Because I legit think it is optimized decently well. More than 99% of games of its type. Elden Ring isnt optimized. Hogwarts isnt. CP 2077 is.

[@greensamurai5805]

It's really bad optimised

[@CharcharoExplorer]

@@greensamurai5805 It isnt.

[@PhantomOverload]

Love Ryzen have had the same motherboard for yrs went from a 1500X, to a 2600, then to a 2700X, and now a 5700X. I honestly had no problem with the 2700X I only got the 5700X, because I got a really good deal on a used one.

[@PoweredByLS2]

What cooler are you using on your 5700x?

[@PhantomOverload]

@@PoweredByLS2 I use the Deep Cool Gammax 400, but mine is the V1 version which has been replaced with a new version. Works great, I have been using it since I had the Ryzen 2600.

[@matthooper5059]

Just bought a used 2700x, with a AM4/X470 platform with 16 gigs of ram from my old Phenom II X6 1035. HOLY CRAP!!!!!! This is great, I'm going to go ahead and max the board out with a 5900X sell my 1060 for a 3050. It should be good for years for what I do. Just gaming at 1080 with audio and video editing for my business.

[@Kubickz]

Buy a RX 6600

[@illfated6942]

​@Kubickz nvidia better for editing

[@morteq-q2699]

No, you can buy Ryzen 7 5700X, The same price, and ryzen 7 5700X is better.

[@RATechYT]

Where is the 5700X the same price as the 2700X? The cheapest used 5700X is $175 on eBay.

[@morteq-q2699]

@@RATechYT In my country is 304 dollars R7 2700X, And R7 5700X 220 dollars, Pure theft here, and they still tax it at 60% if the person is silly, brazil is a shit.

[@dxcook1]

Did I miss it? What resolution was his pc running?

[@RATechYT]

1080p. You can see the settings I use before testing each game.

[@lilililiililili6363]

I have been using this cpu since its release and this is my opinion this cpu is hot garbage for gaming unless u get it for 50 euro. just get a 5600x its better than the 2700x at every single thing and im not over exaggerating this shit cuts my FPS by half when compared to a 5600x the difference is astronomical. DO NOT BUY THIS CPU UNLESS ITS EXTREMELY CHEAP. this cpu is not bad if you play at 1440p and above because it becomes more of a gpu issue on those resolutions but if you are playing on 1080p the 5600x is more than x2 faster.

[@anasevi9456]

1:38 2070? ummm, that's not really a good choice even for a year ago. Even when the 2700x launched in 2018 the 1080ti was a year old and faster than a 2070. How about a 3070? Seems a better pairing. And I know where you are from and know your country are no where near as poor as my media claims.

[@Montillano-gf5ud]

It's still my main CPU till this days. It¡s paired with a RTX 3070. For me, it is enough.

[@wrusst]

Treat yourself to an 110 buck 5600 non X power will drop and frames will go up significantly, you'd probs get most of that back selling your 2700x . Be like 30-50% more frames for 20-30 dollars, if richer the 65w 5700x. This would make the system more snappy also

[@Montillano-gf5ud]

@Anime and Lifting I would be lying if I told you that I hadn't been think about it. But I'm playing Skyrim and Surviving Mars, and with those games the system overpass 144FPS. I'm not in a hurry to upgrade the CPU.

[@wrusst]

@@Montillano-gf5ud nope but for me only I think the time savings of decompressing games , loading games and general snappyness is a net benefit I save every day and time is money . The 50% more frames and smoothing out that 0.1% frames is just a bonus

[@degagajago2266]

Main pc. R7 2700 Gpu 2070. Is still enough for me. And that all game in ovagames. 😂

[@Rhoberly]

You could make a video comparing the RX 6600 XT with the RTX 2070, using the R7 2700X to see how much the Nvidia driver overhead impacts on this processor. 

[@RATechYT]

That's the goal!

[@nightdark2616]

I just upgraded from the 2700x to the 5700x and changed my 2666 16gb ram to 32gb 3200hz ram. Holy smokes what an upgrade! I definitely notice a difference. Here are the things that I have noticed, FPS went up by 20-40 in these games. Conan Exiles went from 60-70 fps with stuttering to 90-110 fps and runs smoother without stuttering, doesnt slow down when near huge base buildings as much. Feels so smooth. No man's sky (this one got a huge difference, 60 fps more now easly hitting 140 fps on 1440p) Bannerlord got around 30 more fps. Diablo 4 got 20-50 more fps depending on what I am doing. But I also turned up some settings. Ark, for some reason even ARK went from 50 fps to 70 fps and I also turned up some settings. Red Dead Redemption only got 15 more fps but I really turned up some serious settings in this one. If you are wondering, I am playing at 1440p with a 6700 XT. I would say the 2700X is still good, I could play all games with it and got 60 fps so it was not a "problem" but if you want to upgrade to a 5700X and you are wondering if there will be a difference, yes you will notice the upgrade. Mostly stuttering and stuff like that has dissapeared.

[@Kykot1999]

Idk why you didnt go for 3200 Mhz for the 2700x at first, you took a lot of its performance out of the table

[@nightdark2616]

@@Kykot1999 I got the ram for free.

[@MrJava1593]

I enjoy your videos and hope you rise to the top with the truth and real world testing! Just like you, I was a fan of may tech channels and at times was sucked in the Intel hype without doing my own testing... But one day, I decited to build a PC using the hardware that all these channels I was watching were always speaking bad about.. What I found was, I was lied too and things wheren't that bad, it worked just great! Till this day 10 years later, I still have my FX 8350 setup! I have had many years to build new PC's which I have sold and made extra cash on the side, but I have never gotten ride of my 8350 setup! Why!? Because of consistency and reliability! It just works! Thank, and keep up the good work!

[@misterPAINMAKER]

If the games were optimized well they would use the Ryzen cpu at 80-90% and delete the bottleneck, most of them use just the half 50%.

[@codname125]

I was looking to upgrade my parent's 4th gen i5 pc, because my dad is into 3D printing and needed a bit more juice for CAD. I bought a Ryzen 7 2700X in pristine condition for 40€ on eBay. What an absolute beast of a CPU

[@chocwah]

My friend has a R5 2400G (soon to ba a r7 2700X) Rx 5700 8GB 16Gb 3000mhz In warzone he gets 60 fps and he's already happy with the results He's probably having a huge cpu bottleneck

[@RATechYT]

Yup, a CPU upgrade will definitely improve performance, though a Ryzen 5 3600 or 5600 would be better.

[@creativeexperience6388]

I have the same with a 3060 and 32 g of corsair vengeance ram and its all right I can play most games with better then console quality

[@LouMartinTabilog]

oh yeah, what i use today is still ryzen 7 2700x built from year 2019Feb

[@herobrinecyberdemon8104]

Overclocking Ryzens above 6 cores for Zen 1/1+ - and for Zen 2 and 3 above 4 - is about PBO, and is becoming reality with intel 12th gen - most likely they won't be able to push all-core 6GHz for 14th gen aswell. All core overclocking helps only in all-core tasks - which are almost exclusively productivity, and is not worth the power and thermals. PBO is meant for singlethreaded/low level multithreaded loads - which includes almost all games and casual stuff like web browsing, though for the latter if you need to fight for few hundred MHz on a 5 year old PC part it would mean corporations are really sticking it up your rear. PBO is about core boosts - and single, dual or quad core boosts can go higher than all-core ones at a given voltage, plus the less overall heat. and there's also Curve optimizer or PBO 2.0 - also someone made Clock Tuner for Ryzen (CTR) - a software tool to squeeze all out of Ryzen and/or define your own core boosts and voltages that go with them using the PBO basis, thus allowing not only precise overclocking, but also precise underclocking+undervolting. PBO 1.0 is for Ryzen 2000 and up, PBO 2.0 for Ryzen 5000 (includes Threadrippers, but may not include APUs), looks like there isn't information on PBO on AM5, so that remains open topic. www.guru3d.com/files-details/clocktuner-for-ryzen-download.html - of course, and always, check for malware for yourself. I'm barely, better said, not informed at all into tuning Ryzens (and their memory as this is a topic one shouldn't forget), as I'm not on a AMD CPU, I'm on a xeon X3450 (1st gen i7 with ECC support and also goes into the consumer socket, so you buy these cause they are cheaper on aliexpress) and am still to use a newer CPU for the first time. I know a great review by a Russian that got his 5950X to 4700MHz all core and 5125MHz single by literally squeezing all potential out of the CPU using the CTR, he reviewed all OC methods on the CPU, all core manual, PBO and PBO2, however the review is in Russian and I doubt much people watching the channel understand Russian (kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3bCoZuher9lj5Y for those that understand or wanna try to). Put shortly however the curve optimization method outperforms the rest almost always, especially in games. Of course one has to spend a whole day finding the proper clocks for their Ryzen, but hell what do enthusiasts pay for with the premium motherboards and water cooling systems? The real enthusiasts, not those that count themselves as enthusiasts for raising the clock multiplier in the BIOS, then posting a review video about how FX sucks - if you know one an intel branded d!ldo will be a perfect present for Christm♂ass♂. Goteem. RA Tech, I'd love to see an in depth "performance squeeze" out of Ryzens, including 1st and 2nd gen ones - the viral reviewers won't do such today as they aren't getting paid for it. Both with clock and memory timings tuning - it's a lot of work I know, but there's need for such. Still the memory one in particular is tricky as it depends on CPU (higher bins generally sustain higher memory frequency), RAM (why do we pay the premiums for the shiny RGB models? we'll like to know) and the motherboards themselves - not just the BIOS but the PCB quality matters, watching another Russian (pre)review of DDR5 the creator explain the pros and cons of DDR5 and one of them is the requirement for high-quality motherboard PCB to sustain high frequencies - and at the time of publish - just before 7000 launched - X670 boards started at 8 layer PCB compared to 4 layer for intel Z690s. One of the reasons of the very high price of AM5 boards, as PCIe 5.0 also requires high quality PCB. Same should apply for DDR4 and PCIe 4.0, not at this extend, sure, but the crappiest A320/520 and B350/450 boards won't do well - or work at all - with Gen4 SSDs or 3200MHz or higher RAM. Yes I know A-series AMD boards don't support memory OC. Out of the factory. But people make them support after a bit of BIOS modifying. Still we need better understanding of memory tuning rather than "Just buy newest intel CPU together with new MB and a premium powerbill".

[@RATechYT]

I've been actually thinking of making an overclocking guide for first and second gen Ryzen's. No promises for now though.

[@boxritter]

I basically have the same setup and its both amazing how fast technology is developing and sad that my pc can be so bad after just 5 years.

[@kevinvanneste2500]

Try making a video that shows the difference between ddr4 timings and speed I noticed a big difference when I tweaked the timings and sub timings more than speed increase. Keep up the good work

[@k9-punchline738]

Put warzone 2 on a SSD ,I am using that CPU with a GTX 1080 and play on High without any framedrops

[@RATechYT]

It is on an SSD. Performance issues only happen with Nvidia GPUs, the game runs much better on Radeon.

[@ondrejjakab9617]

Is Ryzen 7 2700 bottleneck for RTX 3060 (12GB) and my ram is on DDR4 16GB 2733Mhz and 600W

[@RATechYT]

It is a bottleneck in some games at 1080p. It's not massive though.

[@Theworthsearcher]

What about a comparison to Ryzen 5500, 5600, 5600X and 5700X?

[@RATechYT]

Might do that!

[@AGENTEN-ry6lr]

so basically, pair it with a 6800x/7800xt in 1440p and you're good too go.

[@RATechYT]

@@AGENTEN-ry6lr I wouldn't go past the 6700 XT, even at 1440p since the Ryzen 5 5600 bottlenecks the RX 6800.

[@jforce321]

I'd say for most people to try and get a zen 2 CPU from a longevity standpoint. I know hardware unboxed did a comparison and said that the ryzen 3600 is the current closest to what consoles operate at from a cpu performance perspective.

[@mtaufiqn5040]

Current gen console uses ryzen 7 4700 processor

[@jforce321]

@@mtaufiqn5040 CPU generation is what matters in this regard and they're both based on the same Zen 2 core

[@GergelyPorcellán]

I have a question :) I have a i5-7600k with gtx 1060 6gb and my friend just offered his 2700x. Full setup without vga card. I dont want to upgrade anything or playing the newest titles. Just using my 1060 with the 2700x for some baldurs gate 3,hunt showdown,elden ring,maybe a little bit of lords of the fallen..should i or forget about it? Thank you for any advice! 😊

[@RATechYT]

That would be a very good upgrade, I'd go for it.

[@GergelyPorcellán]

Ok! I'm gonna use it! Thank you!

[@el_tio_apoca8014]

Cyberpunk is not a demanding cpu game, it is an intel sponsored game it has always ran better on intel hardware, obviously the first zen cpu's are not doing great on that game, ever since cyberpunk release intel has been dominating on that game despite the big difference in other tittles, so the zen+ is still very capable and power efficient on stock frequencies, obviously things changed, back at 2018 60 fps was still the target and now somehow 144fps is the target like if everyone would play shooters and if that isn't enough to make old hardware look bad then we have these new ports that even with new hardware they run pretty bad, but at least for workloads the 2700x is still decent.

[@MRBOCHIEDA2ND]

You just have bad lucc playing mw2

[@vh9network]

Those shopping for a cheap 8-core AMD CPU, should totally go for a Ryzen 7 3700X, that's the CPU where things got serious, and competitive to Intel's equivalent core lineup. ZEN2 has none of the issues ZEN+ had.

[@BonusCrook]

The 2700x represents the very best of a kinda weak architecure. These days you'd be better off with a 5500 or 5600

[@crystal_eye3723]

Still using this cpu in my workstation for videos. Updated gpu recently to msi rtx4060ti and it runs super. ^^ probably will update to AMD Ryzen 9 5950X

[@ryanics2291]

I found my current pc in the trash. The pins were bent, I unbent them, and then updated it with some other parts that were better. I still use it. 2700x, 6950xt, 32 gb ram, a 500 gb for linux, 2 tb for games for linux and 500 gb for windows.

[@muggsHD]

Can confirm, this CPU is still very much capable. I switched to a 5500 since I got one for dirt cheap, and it brough with it fps improvements of anywhere from around 20% to 45% in the games I tested. Nevertheless, the 2700X only ever showed a bit of weakness in Cyberpunk, where the minimum fps suffered (resolved with the 5500), and pretty mediocre avg fps in CSGO (360fps is average is nothing to complain about, but 470fps avg is simply more).

[@gullibleskeptic3237]

playing at higher fps then the monitors refreshrate is simply a waste of electricity imo. i always cap the framerate with msi afterburner to 120 when playing on my 120hz oled. saves me around 80-100 watts when playing overwatch for example.

[@leomanalastas4411]

What monitor your using for your ryzen 7 2700x?

[@SawBlood45]

The value in 2019 was crazy. I got it for like $170 and it comes with a cooler. Now CPUs don't. On a side note I'm wondering if that's why fan coolers now both much better and cheaper than back then. Since buying a separate cooler is required.

[@stackbundlesx21]

Mines runs Diablo 4 at 90 FPS high settings with a 3060, but don't buy one now since a 7600x is the same price and 5600 is $100 cheaper

[@newgame09794]

sorry im a newbie, I noticed that for warzone 2, the cpu usage never reached a critical level like 70%. I don't think it even reached 50s. I don't understand why we're blaming the cpu here or at least saying that the cpu isn't that capable enough even though its not reaching like 50% usage? can somebody please enlighten me?

[@RATechYT]

A CPU can be the bottleneck without maxing out. For example in some titles we're going to be more CPU bound with a 12 core Ryzen 9 3900X compared to the 6 core Ryzen 5 5600X due to the lower single core performance and higher latencies.

[@newgame09794]

@@RATechYT Thank you for the enlightenment!

[@melody00233]

I am using 2700x since 2019, and is confusing to upgrade to 5600x/5700x or not.

[@RATechYT]

I upgraded from a 2700X to a 5600, the uplift in gaming performance is massive.

[@Mantarochen187]

I built my first pc in 2020 with a msi rx 580 (8gb) and a ryzen 7 2700x. Played always on 1080p and upgraded a few months ago to 1440p and a rx 6700xt. On 1080p I had no issues at all. Temperature and Fps were alright. But now oh man I can see how my 2700x struggles. Especially in Games. In Helldivers 2 no problems. But in Cyberpunk, Dying light 2 so the AAA Titles I would say in general are too demanding. But I don’t want to upgrade my cpu bc in general tasks like office work it makes its job really well.

[@sgfai9111]

I still run it these days with a 2080ti and hell it rocks all the games i play. Only in star citizen i can get some problems but thats probably more a game problem then cpu. Sry tho not a native english speaker

[@E_lisa_a]

some music would really help the video!

[@ShawnWalka]

Im using ryzen 7 2700x with rtx 2060 a pc i built it play anything ultra settings 1080p

[@Ryan2dabs]

Does the 2700x support smart access memory?

[@dannyharper2587]

My pc is old if I keep this cpu keep my ram (16gb) but upgrade from 1660ti to RX 7800xt would I be chillin

[@RATechYT]

You'll be CPU bottlenecked. Spend some money on a newer processor and the rest on the GPU.

[@dannyharper2587]

@@RATechYT thank you Muchly appreciated

[@gullibleskeptic3237]

playing at higher fps then the monitors refreshrate is simply a waste of electricity imo. i always cap the framerate with msi afterburner to 120 when playing on my 120hz oled. saves me around 80-100 watts when playing overwatch for example.

[@RATechYT]

On a 120 Hz monitor it's fine, yet if your monitors refresh rate is 60 or 75 Hz, locking the frame rate at that refresh rate increases the input lag. The difference at 100+ FPS vs 60/75 FPS, even on low refresh rate monitors is extremely noticeable.

[@gullibleskeptic3237]

@@RATechYT i guess you get lower latency by unlocking the framerate but from my experience locking a game to even 60fps using msi afterburner gives me a very smooth and responsive experience with perfect frametimes and 0 microstutters in most games. And 120 fps even better ofcourse. I use the lg cx oled as a monitor btw.

[@RATechYT]

@@gullibleskeptic3237 Regardless of how you lock your frame rate, 120 FPS at 60 Hz is always going to be better than 60 FPS at 60 Hz. Might not matter in slow paced single player titles (input lag will still be noticeable), but in competitive games a higher frame rate is a must, even with a low refresh rate monitor.

[@FallenGlad]

Still using the 2700x right now but I’m finally upgrading this week

[@joelferguson625]

Halfway into this video it's becoming evident that comparing past performance records to current performance records on specifically cyberpunk 2077, cod and a few other either nvidia, (most likely villain), AMD or both have purposefully degraded support for current games that receive regular updates. The 2070 even paired with an older gen 3 i7 outperformed current performance specifically on cyberpunk 2077. I'll acknowledge my memory may be in error but I swear I saw a video with an i7 3970, 2070 using 16gb ddr3 2400 outperforming a i5 6570 with the same gpu and 16gb 2666 ddr4 only 6 months to a year ago.

[@pappyckwamma2274]

I am still useing it with a Rtx 3080 Aorus! I have 120 fps in any game on max settings 144p :D ( exept of WZ2 :)) )

[@jxcquizzz]

I really don't know anything about PCs, so can someone tell me if this will still be fine for a newer game like Star Wars Jedi: Survivor?

[@Flowave-cc5ul]

quiestion what about gaming in 4k any noticable different compaired to 5600 ? more than 10 % or less ? what about smoothness stutterness ?

[@RATechYT]

At 4K you'll be GPU bound in majority of situations, unless you're going to be using the most powerful cards out there. A Ryzen 5 5600 will deliver better performance in CPU demanding areas of some games, the difference won't be massive though.

[@Flowave-cc5ul]

@@RATechYT thanks so 4070 ti super and 2700x for 4k gaming is totally fine ? Upgrading to 5600x is not worth it at 4k right? :)

[@RATechYT]

@@Flowave-cc5ul I'd say you're good. If you had a 1080/1440p screen I'd say get a better CPU since you're more CPU bound at those resolutions, but at 4K with a 4070 Ti you're definitely going to be GPU bound most of the time.

[@Mr11ESSE111]

it was good cpu for productivity and solid for gaming with low-mid cards of that time but real evolution made zen3 which are still capable in todays time and pretty competitive vs 12 and 13 th Intel gen entry level cpus such as 12400f,13400f and even 13500 in gaming with cards up to 3080/ti while costing less (r5 5600/x,5700x,5800x)

[@dongsausage2002]

Can this cpu support a rtx 3070 to its full potential? Please if you have an answer please respond

[@stewartbrown4394]

My lad has just had a new PC and gave me his old set up. 2700x, rtx 2060 super and 16 gb ddr 3200 ram. I have stuck a m.2 drive on and I am more than happy. Main game is R6 siege but also like a bit of VR which it handles very well.

[@godwhomismike]

Can you do a comparison of the 2700X vs the 5600X3D? I been running a 2700X since Jan 2020 and have since upgraded the GPU to the 6700XT. Thinking of swapping the CPU with the 5600X3D.

[@RATechYT]

Recently sold the 2700X and switched to a 5600 which improved gaming performance a lot. The 5600X3D is going to be a very noticeable upgrade.

[@bobbysavagehill]

I actually started with a Ryzen 5 1600 in my X370 mobo. Then I upgraded to a Ryzen 5800X3D and a X570 mobo so I could take advantage of that pCIE gen 4 along with my new 6900XT. I put the Ryzen 5 in a B550 mobo. But now I'm thinking I might put this Ryzen 7 2700X in my X370 mobo,

[@kevinvanneste2500]

Still have my 2700x upgrade my 1600 back when black Friday deals came sold 1600 for 90 and paid 155 for 2700x 4 years ago

[@Asstronauts93]

I bought mine in 2019 I have it paired with a 6750xt. It looks like I'll be keeping this until the amd 8000 series cpus.

[@jeffreygrindle6396]

Im running this same cpu mines paired with a gtx 1080 64 gb of 3000 ram on a msi x570 pro a mobo for 1080p its a great rig but im aiming to make the jump to 144p so it about upgrade time

[@jamezxh]

Although these cpus’s have good core count the ICP was pretty woeful compared to Intels offerings until the 3000 series.

[@TheIMadManI]

Saw a new PC build going for 1350 AUD that had this cpu but also a 6750xt 32gb of ram and a 2tb SSD. Would it be worth to buy and just upgrade the cpu?

[@jayb2705]

It's still a good processes, but I wouldn't go below a 3600 for gaming with current mid-range cards.

[@somethingfromrithim]

Why can't I find any negative comments in the comments? The tests are just pointless, in every goddamned test, a person's bottleneck was a video card that was almost 100% used. Every single time!

[@RATechYT]

Really feels like you only checked a few parts of the video without even listening to what I said.

[@Pelfox33]

Thank you for this video. For whoever who has the same unbalanced build like me (2700x with 4070) and want to play RT ULTRA just letting you know that for this cpu it will cost you 30-40% of your fps to play with RT. So just don’t. Practically speaking you will only loose reflection in windows and volumetric shadows for your car but fps will increase in 1.5 times

[@DungarooTV]

I have this CPU with 32GB DDR4 RAM and it runs amazingly with my GTX 1080TI GPU. Still very capable for the price and honestly it's got intelligent variable timing in-built so I wouldn't bother overclocking anyway as you're pretty much always going to hit 4.0 Ghz on variable smooth across multiple cores and overclocking adds little gains for instability so I wouldn't even bother.

[@jonahchaney4691]

Very interesting video, the only difference between your build and mine, when I built my system in 2018-2019, is the motherboard and ram. I have a msi gaming M7AC X470 motherboard paired with the 2700x with 32gb of ddr4 ram and a msi gaming Z 8gb RTX GPU.

[@gamingedition5165]

The cpu that at launch match performance in many games vs i7 4790k.

[@Aflak_71]

I have a shit ton of stuttering with my ryzen 7 2700x in warzone 2. I have a 3060 ti and plenty of fast ram so I think it’s time to upgrade. Any thoughts?

[@RATechYT]

It's the Nvidia GPU - kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3rWZKOFgtOsfMU Obviously a CPU upgrade will also help, but the stuttering is related to Nvidia. I'm currently using a R5 5600, recently tested the 2070 again in Warzone 2 and the stuttering is still there.

[@arfianwismiga5912]

Upgrade to 5600 from 2600, pair with my 3years old gtx 1660 it really huge jump depending on games, like miles morales i got 40-50 fps with lots stuttering after upgrading it can boost almost double with same settings high no fsr stable at 60-80fps. But some scenario like guardian galaxy it didn't help, it might more gpu bound.

[@alexandrosploumis9146]

For Pubg it is still ok but dont even think it could run Rust smoothly

[@devonmoreau]

i’m using a 2700x, been very happy with it for a few years now 🎉

[@Blookt]

would this CPU would be decent at least with regular 1080 GPU?

[@doronbaruch3670]

As someone who uses the 2700x for the past 5 years I can definitely confirm that it is a great cpu even good enough today for the edge of competitive games but I dont really recommend buying a used one which is over 3 years old because after about this time it still works great but start to wear out because Amd high bost clock and voltage which I believe make the cpu wear out